#cars | Linus Tech Tips | Page 294

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Can't promise the quality.

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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lmao

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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What color would you choose?

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Highlight yellow.

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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probably factory color, but I am also considering respray to white

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and I want pinstripes like factory regardless of the color I pick

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Speaking of Yellow.

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Good choice

fathom socket Jan 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I hate pinstripes

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My grandma made me remove them from her new Ford Escape

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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This color is 👌

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civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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idk, I like the factory pinstripes on the RX-7

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very subtle and small

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you almost don't even realize they're there

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Btw, That's the GT3 Touring.

fathom socket Jan 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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The pinstripe on my grandma's car was silver with grey paint

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It looked horrible

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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This one has the pinstripes

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fathom socket Jan 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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That doesn't look bad

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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It's subtle

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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It's the second GT3 Touring that Chris Harris owns.

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The first one got totalled.

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fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Well done

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:05 PM

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The pickup was doing a 3-point turn in the middle of no where.

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Also, it was a blind corner.

stoic ledge Jan 17, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Oof gg

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Isuzu D-Max 👀

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:05 PM

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mine has pinstripes

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I wasn't a fan of the grey when i bought the car

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but its grown on me

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I'll probably keep it the same color when it gets repainted

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:06 PM

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It's a typical 80s color

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:06 PM

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yea

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"Tornado Silver Metallic"

stoic ledge Jan 17, 2020, 7:07 PM

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🌪️ Pogey

Very 80s rims too (:

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:07 PM

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yep

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they need to get worked on tho

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they are scuffed pretty bad

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not really curb rash, but they are not perfect

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I wanted to have a go in the Alfa we used to have.

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:08 PM

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They look really cool on the RX-7

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:08 PM

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156 with the V6.

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Busso V6 ftw

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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oh yea, I think the car is basically perfect

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just needs some minor upgrades and some restore work on the body/paint/interior

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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It's definitely clean

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Just needs some love

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:09 PM

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probably a new rust-proof undercoat too, and fix any rust that somehow got in there

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though that's probably overkill

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Nothing is overkill if you love it ^^

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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true

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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but not something I can afford right now

civic spoke Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Such a nice looking engine.

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Mhm

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Should have seen how filthy the car was when I bought it

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oh man the dust

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Dust can make any car look nasty

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:11 PM

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fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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It was missing a wiper?

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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the engine bay was nasty

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@fair bronze no, the prev owner had taken it off to remove the vent and clean out leaves

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Ah alright

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That engine is teeny tiny

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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yea

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half the bay is radiator and fan shroud, lmao

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not the best pic of the engine bay, but this is pretty close to what it looks like now. Not super clean, but way better than it was

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stoic ledge Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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New alternator?

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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yee

stoic ledge Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Looks shiny

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I swapped the old 50amp FB alternator for an 83amp FC alternator

fair bronze Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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zoom zoom

civic girder Jan 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I also think the FB alternator wasn't the original

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it had a reman sticker on it

stoic ledge Jan 17, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Oof more amps

fathom socket Jan 17, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Looks so evil

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But that's just the tailgate lights

tight cypress Jan 17, 2020, 11:36 PM

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bruh

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mm yes

fathom socket Jan 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Looks like my summer car I wish I could play it some day

tight cypress Jan 17, 2020, 11:38 PM

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just buy it

tight cypress Jan 18, 2020, 6:44 AM

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/14WnziCpIjkPTh2_A-W-fXjQ0LnbRrA6H/view?usp=sharing

Google Drive

VID-20200105-WA0001.mp4

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bass

civic spoke Jan 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py88_vKwclM

YouTube

robyworks

YOU WILL WANT TO GET AN RWD VOLVO AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO

After traveling all around Scandinavia and visiting various automotive events, we could clearly see that the locals really love their own Nordic car brands, especially one brand in particular - Volvo. And there is no wonder why. Almost all Volvo's up until early 90's were rea...

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civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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nah

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don't think that video will change my mind

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I will still want to get more rotaries

indigo coral Jan 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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all the rotaries

civic spoke Jan 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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What about the Lolvo?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1ux_J9QkaY

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The Skid Factory

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dense shard Jan 18, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Picked up a brochure for my car. My slow descent into Toyota fandom can now begin.

unreal terrace Jan 18, 2020, 6:43 PM

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euw

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cant all of those volvos just die already

stoic ledge Jan 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Volvo's never die

fair bronze Jan 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Turbo Yoda!

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indigo coral Jan 18, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Old Volvo's are invincible

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New Volvo's are nice looking and stuff but will die in a few years

eager kite Jan 18, 2020, 7:56 PM

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https://twitter.com/SAirfarce/status/1212130103737618433

Shorty_Airfarce™ (@SAirfarce)

Nice to see that tslaq hasn't given up on making false complaints to the NHTSA about @Tesla . I don't get how people are allowed to post complaints to a government site without any sort of approval or verification. Makes you question the validity of ANY complaint on there.

stoic ledge Jan 18, 2020, 8:29 PM

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🤔 what's that

tight cypress Jan 18, 2020, 8:30 PM

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volvos are easy to kill

civic spoke Jan 18, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Just snip-snip the brake lines.

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 8:55 PM

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https://youtu.be/C4Epo8C6CwI?t=297

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Autoline Network

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Mazda should hire this dude

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The rotary can come back

civic spoke Jan 18, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Rotaries have too poor fuel economy.

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Mother nature, etc.

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 9:11 PM

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wot

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this guy's solution would fix that

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rotaries have shit fuel economy because of the spark plugs

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fuel/air mix can leak past the the apex seal and into the exhaust stroke, which is why there is unburnt fuel exiting the engine

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and then the engine is unreliable because of where the spark plugs are and how it fires

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the apex seals chatter because you fire the plugs at the side of the rotor vs the tip

dense shard Jan 18, 2020, 9:15 PM

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rotary can come back

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correction. It IS coming back.

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As a range extender.

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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well, I mean more specifically as the main power plant

flint sable Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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so we bought a race car

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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but I doubt the range extender motor will have this design

flint sable Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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oooh

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a Z

flint sable Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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a little rough but

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we have a parts car for it

dense shard Jan 18, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Z31... old school

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non-turbo tho

flint sable Jan 18, 2020, 9:18 PM

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i have all the photos from my phone on my computer now so

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this was on the way to washington

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stoic ledge Jan 18, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Wow an Audi

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 9:20 PM

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🤔

flint sable Jan 18, 2020, 9:21 PM

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urus

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i've only seen two

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one here on the highway

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and one at St Louis in a dealer

indigo coral Jan 18, 2020, 9:33 PM

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I've seen a few around here

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Oh boy, wait till you hear about my lovely story I had today

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So my brother has a 2wd F150

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We went to a bunch of junkyards to find a back window for a car

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There's this off-roading spot in town right by the river

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And at this place, no one can get stuck

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There's no mud

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Or so we thought

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It's been raining for the last three days here

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The place was so damn muddy

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We even avoided the mud

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But we got stuck and started sliding down the hill

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We hit a rut and almost flipped the truck

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We finally were able to get the truck down the hill

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Where it was mud galore

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I knew that if we went slow, we'd get stuck again.

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So I had him mash the throttle and just send it

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Thank God he had newer all-terrain tires

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So we just slammed the throttle and I got covered with mud pushing the truck

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Then he spun the truck out

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Almost into the river

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Well we got it turned around to go back to the entrace

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We just kept the throttle pinned and plowed through the deep holes and puddles

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And we got stuck again

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This time we were inches away from the huge river

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We finally got the damn thing moving again

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And got stuck again

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It took 2 hours to get the damn thing back to the entrance

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I was covered in mud from his tires

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Mud was on me head to toe

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And I had a date with my girlfriend 30 minutes after that

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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lmaoo

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Not fun

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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This is why I wonder how people enjoy offroading

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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It was soooo damn muddy that a 4wd truck couldn't get us unstuck

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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oof

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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It's just fun

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It's so damn hard to explain why

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But it's just fun

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I doubt I'd enjoy it, but that's just me

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I'd rather be puttering along in my slow cars

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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I bet you'd enjoy doing donuts in the grass

civic girder Jan 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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eh, probably not

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I've never felt like donuts and burnouts were fun

fathom socket Jan 18, 2020, 11:14 PM

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We thought about having my parents come and pick me up to get my truck

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I wish I would've filmed the whole thing

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Once we got it moving once more, he STOPPED for me!

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And it got stuck again

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So after that we got it moving and he just sent it and got the rest of the way back

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Sometimes when you are stuck, ya can't give it any power at all

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Or you'll dig a giant rut

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This wasn't the case though

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So he just had the tires spinning and it finally dug down and bit into the solid ground underneath

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 12:39 AM

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@eager kite I'm a huge supporter of burning oil for energy, Teslas be damned BLESSED

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Well, if Daimler/Mercedes is anything to go by, won't be long before there will be nothing left for you to support @normal temple

dense shard Jan 19, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Daimler's reach is pretty massive.

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Anyway. Quite happy to have picked up a Toyota Corolla hatchback sales brochure today.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:06 AM

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tbh I feel bad for these traditional auto companies

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Like, it seems like they're actually trying now to make EVs

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And their EVs would be good if this was 2012-14

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but uh, definitely not with today's tech.

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Taycan is a perfect example. Porsche put it all into that car, and it's performance is just slightly worse than a Perf. Model S. But, they sacrificed efficiency to do it and thus the S gets 80% more range for 55% the cost.

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:14 AM

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performance is markedly better lol

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not worse

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though the model S is a VERY outdated car

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:14 AM

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mmm, 0-60 is about the same

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1/4 mile is also about the same

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one thing the Taycan is better at though is repeatable launches

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:15 AM

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and the Taycan doesn't overheat in 3 minutes, handles much better

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and is a far more well built car

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and quicker around the nurburgring

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Yep, but unless you're taking these cars for actual races, the only 3 things that you will actually notice is 0-60, 1/4 mile, and range

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:16 AM

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You won't notice door trim falling off?

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Or shit tastic infotainment performance?

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Or leather falling apart in 2 years?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Guarantee that all of that and more will happen on Taycans as well

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:17 AM

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lol no

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Porsche knows how to build quality cars

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Every car line has faults

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Tesla makes cool cars that are shittily made

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No Tesla has ever approached the quality of a legacy automaker

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Taycan will have production quality issues, guaranteed

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As do all cars

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The things you mentioned for the S are not common problems, sure they happen to a few cars which sucks, but it's not like 1 in every 2 S' have the trim falling off and their leather seats ripping apart after 2 years

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:20 AM

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no, they all do. Tesla has terrible interior quality in all but the Model 3, which is roughly on par with a base model economy car

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I mean, they literally all don't, but whatever you want to tell yourself I guess.

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I'm curious how much the Plaid Model S will be, probably will be highly competitive with the Taycan

night current Jan 19, 2020, 4:52 AM

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So far, companies are making pretty good EVs honestly.

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I still think Tesla has the advantage in a lot of areas though compared to others. Probably because they have more experience.

jagged wagon Jan 19, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Not here to argue who has the advantage, but Toyota has more experience than any other automobile manufacturer when it comes to experience, other than Chevy, but even then, they don't count because the oil industry paid them to destroy thousands of electric cars and stop research & development on them.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:04 AM

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The EVs they're making are pretty good, for 2012-16 standards

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not 2020-21 standards

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:06 AM

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I mean, someone posted a video in here not too long ago, and other manufactures with EV's lasted pretty long compared to a Tesla, only a little worse.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:08 AM

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But their efficiencies are horrible compared to Teslas

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and their ranges suck for the price

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like if they were made back in 2012-16, they would be competitive with Teslas of the time

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:10 AM

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The ranges were only like, 10-20 km worse...
And frankly they aren't that expensive compared to a Tesla.

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Mind you, the technology is better, specifically Autopilot and stuff, but everything else is pretty close if not equal.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:17 AM

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what's an example? @night current

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Kia Niro, Jaguar I-pace

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Audi E-Tron looks 👌

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:18 AM

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And that

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Audi E-Tron looks great

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I also think the Mercedes EQC looks pretty decent

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:22 AM

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the EQC is kinda ugly imo, but thats a matter of taste

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:22 AM

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True

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Kia Niro, not the greatest efficiency,
long range epa rating is only 239 miles with a 64kwh pack, only 100kw of charging, 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, only 150kw motor
standard is ~150 miles epa w/ 40kwh pack, less powerful motor....

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starting price of almost $50k usd...

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:28 AM

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but is built well and will last, unlike a Tesla.

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:28 AM

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my car gets 300 miles per tank

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y e e t

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:28 AM

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I-pace, where to begin.
90kwh battery, only 234 miles epa range, 100kw charging, 2x 150kw motors, starting price $70k USD

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:28 AM

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but a proper luxury interior

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tesla has good battery/motor tech, yes. Everything else is lacking.

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Tesla Model 3 Long Range is also 50k. Kia only went 30 miles less

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc&feature=youtu.be

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carwow

We drove these electric cars until they DIED!

How far can these electric cars go before they die?! We drove the Tesla Model 3, Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-Pace, Nissan Leaf, Kia e-Niro and Mercedes EQC across the UK to see how long they could last! Sure, the smart money is on the Tesla, with its claimed range of up to 348 mile...

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normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:29 AM

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E30s are like 5000 and go 300 miles

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BLESSED

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oil > batteries

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BLESSED

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:30 AM

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rx = 0$ and 250 miles

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Walking = $2.50 burger, and 250 calories

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Audi E-Tron (literally means shit in french):
95kwh batter limited to 84kwh usable, EPA range of only 204 miles, 150kw charging, 75K USD starting price

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:30 AM

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siiickkkk

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wait

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how good is the burger

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:31 AM

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But the E-Tron is aesthetically one of the most attractive EVs, again a quality build and interior, and a luxury brand

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& has an established dealer network

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:31 AM

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sorry, it's 75K for the one that has a 71kwh battery limited to 65kwh, only get 150 mile range

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I mean, a $120k Model X gets you almost the same range as a 50k Model 3

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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sufficive to say, all of these suck in comparison to Teslas

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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It's just the type of quality you're going for.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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even the X is more efficient than all of these cars

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and can do 200kw charging

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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you can't fucking spell lol, and 2. No, there's more than just range and power.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:32 AM

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and has a charging network

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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pro tip

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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People get Rolls Royce, and they get less range...
People pay for the quality and ride.

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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you can charge your car at RV parks

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with an adapter

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e z

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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cgp grey

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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you can charge your car literally anywhere there's an outlet

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But yea, these cars are mega overpriced for what they deliver in 2020

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especially the E-Tron

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that thing is horrible

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:34 AM

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nah, some people value sitting in a car that doesn't feel like a Kia Sephia in terms of quality

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:34 AM

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You get quality with the e-tron, and a comfortable ride.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:34 AM

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ok, but that wasn't the contention we were discussing

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Plus a bomb-ass entertainment thingy

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:34 AM

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this

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just flat out false

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Hm? Not necessarily.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:35 AM

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bruh

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:35 AM

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self driving cars already exist long before autonomous cars

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its called taxis

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James May

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:35 AM

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I didn't know numbers were subjective now

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I said the ranges were worse than a Tesla's. The price for the Niro and a few others are cheaper than Tesla.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Look, you can complain about the interiors of Teslas all you want, that's a personal comfort thing

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but when it comes down to hardware

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I'm not complaining. I think they are nice. But I also enjoy other manufactures interiors also

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Tesla mopped the floor with the competition

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:37 AM

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In the early days they did.

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Now it's becoming really close.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:37 AM

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bruh, did you not read the spec sheets I showed you

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they're still years behind Tesla

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Not really years...

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Model S long range, starting price of 80k, gets an epa range of 373 miles

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that's close to double the E-Tron's for the same price

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:39 AM

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If you're paying that much for a vehicle, I doubt you care about range that much.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Model X starting price $85k, epa range of 328 miles

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100 miles more range than the I-pace for $15k more

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:40 AM

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?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:40 AM

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niro goes up against the 3/Y

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:40 AM

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I-pace has a claimed range of 292 miles. Only $15k more for only 36 more miles

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:41 AM

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that's on the WLTP standard

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on the EPA standard, it's 234

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:41 AM

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What is the Tesla's based on then?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:41 AM

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all the ranges I've been giving are using EPA

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Model 3 long range starting price $49K, EPA range of 322 miles

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:42 AM

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In real world Testing, they don't go that far

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Model Y long range RWD starting price $48k, EPA range 300 miles

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AWD starting price 52K, EPA range 280 miles

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those last 2 ranges are Tesla range estimates as the Y hasn't been tested by EPA yet

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however, Tesla usually is conservative on their estimates

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:43 AM

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idk what's going on, people don't buy cars for how far they go on the spec sheet. They buy cars based on how nice they are to drive/live with. Sorry to say, but Teslas build quality is abysmal compared to other cars like Audis and stuff

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:43 AM

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for reference

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Ehhh, I've seen testing of the Model 3 that supposedly has "322" miles only going 270.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:44 AM

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for $50k with the Kia Niro, you get an EPA range of 150 miles

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so the Tesla's are getting around double the range for the same price

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legit, none of the cars you guys mentioned are even close to Teslas

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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It went 250 in the test video. I think you're basing that off the lowest standard model

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Yes, the base model which starts at $50k

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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No it doesn't...

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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yes it does

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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it starts at 38k

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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38K pounds

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not USD

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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38k dollars

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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nope

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Did you check Kia's website?

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xP

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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https://insideevs.com/news/388390/kia-niro-ev-more-compeling-2020/ @night current

InsideEVs

Kia Makes Niro EV Even More Compelling For 2020

The British division of Kia announced a new, refreshed high-specification Kia Niro EV (e-Niro) for the 2020 model year, which we assume will spread to all markets.

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It starts from £37,995 or £34,495 (€40,677/$45,350) after deducting the government Plug-in Car Grant

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Now this is epic

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night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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that's the 2019 version

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which is even worse

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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It's not going to magically go up 12k for being a year newer

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It has an EPA-estimate of 239 miles for the 38k version

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Only 11 less than the Tesla Model 3

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:47 AM

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that's literally what the insideEVs article says above, the 2020 model starting price is 38k pounds

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Base edition model 3*

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 5:47 AM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/23/man-died-burning-tesla-because-its-futuristic-doors-wouldnt-open-lawsuit-alleges/ guys stop buying Teslas they catch on fire /s

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Articles aren't the dedicated website to vehicles...

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Also, I think the Kia is a bit more conventional... Considering that it is an Sub-SUV.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Ok, I guess the 2020 version is just a bit worse than the 2019

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regardless, the efficiency of the 3 is about 34% better than the Niro, also has the advanced tech inside

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which is probably why they're priced about the same

night current Jan 19, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I mean, you have to pay another 7k for self-driving autopilot which is why I'd mainly buy a Tesla.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 6:01 AM

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sure, but right now we're comparing base prices. The car is perfectly functional and comes with AP for that starting price

night current Jan 19, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Super basic auto pilot, but yeah, still AP.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 6:02 AM

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I mean, it's pretty similar to what the cutting edge of what all other luxury manufacturers are releasing with their cars rn

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so, FSD is kind of a bonus package

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actually, the competing car I'm most excited for is the ID.3

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even though it won't sell in the US

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it's probably the best traditional auto EV to date, although right now all the ones produced are sitting in parking lots having engineers update their firmware one by one

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Plaid S might come out before any ID.3's actually are delivered to customers though, that will be funny to see.

dense shard Jan 19, 2020, 7:44 AM

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https://i.redd.it/vnhxu5an0n741.png man I really dig the wheels here.

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The hatchback looks super snazzy with lower springs and nice wheels.

tight cypress Jan 19, 2020, 8:31 AM

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yes

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:38 AM

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Tesla Model 3 LR 75kWh: 270 miles / 434km = 3.6 miles/kWh
Kia e-Niro 64kWh: 255 miles / 410km = 3.98 miles/kWh
So which one is more efficient? 🤔
Also: Model 3 LR: €60k
E-Niro 64kWh: €42k

Also, that Twitter message about Tesls selling 112k EVs in Q4 vs 55 Mercedes is plain out false, in my country alone Mercedes sold 151 EVs

@eager kite

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:45 AM

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don't know where you got 270 mile range for the model 3

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cause it's 322

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that's 4.293 mi/kwh

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kia e-Niro 64kwh has 239 mile range

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Those are the realworld results from the test Carwow did

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:46 AM

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that's 3.734 mi/kwh

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we aren't comparing his real world tests, we're comparing EPA range

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Whatever floats your goat

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EPAs aren't accurate

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Just taking numbers we can rely on to be consistently calculated between cars

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:48 AM

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So real world tests of cars driving on the exact same day, driving the exact same route in the exact same traffic at the exact same speed isn't realistic?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:49 AM

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They switched cars many times, obv took breaks for that

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traffic wasn't the exact same for all of them

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each one of them accelerates differently

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in one car the guy couldn't engage the cruise control if I remember correctly? So he was driving manually for a while there

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not consistent or reliable for comparisons like this

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You have to stick to legitimate standards

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Every EV tested by the EPA is put through basically the exact same test scenarios, and their scores are measured

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from that, they use the same equation to calculate their estimated range

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way more accurate and useful for comparative analysis

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:52 AM

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But their test cycli doesn't conform real road usage

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:52 AM

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also iirc, in those tests they weren't at 100% battery before they started

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so, automatically they will not get ranges that reflect the maximum range of the cars

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:52 AM

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No they all left them over night so they were at 96-97% of range

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:52 AM

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and they didn't give us percentages for every single car, so we have no way to know what every car started at

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they said in the video "above 95%"

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that's not specific

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Well you're not going to drive up to --% either with your EV are you?

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They showed every screen at the start

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:53 AM

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no, but appealing to their tests to use their ranges as what the cars actual range is, is disingenuous.

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:53 AM

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So you can figure out which one is which

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Anyway, their tests results are not valid when trying to make a legitimate comparison between cars and their efficiencies

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if you don't like the EPA numbers, take it up with them, not me

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 8:57 AM

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If you say so GWloopyGok Guess I'll have to start driving small diesels now since they get incredible ratings

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:00 AM

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It's not about me saying so, it's literally how you do comparative analysis. If you're trying to isolate 1 variable (in this case the car) you can't have other variables floating around in your calculations. All other variables need to be controlled, including testing conditions. Therefor, you have to use a testing system that tests all the cars the same.
So you can chose EPA, WLTP, etc... Theoretically, it shouldn't matter how off these standards are from reality, because it would affect all cars in the set equally, due to them being tested under identical conditions.

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Also, the standards mentioned measure multiple of the cars to account for each car performing slightly differently than the others

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whereas 1 guy taking 1 car from each and driving them till they die doesn't account for that at all

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Yeah no not really... The way they are being tested for the EPA/WLTP/.. doesn't reflect how you use it irl. When you look at how slow they accelerate in that test, it's unrealistic. If you use a turbo engine, it's barely going to use the Turbo so it's basically a N/A engine, which is efficient. In the real world it does, massively use more fuel. If you look at N/A engines, they come close to the given numbers

Also: all in a lab, with "perfect" circumstances, manufacturers can set unrealistic variables like extremely high tyre pressures which could temper the results

In all real-world tests I've seen (like the one from Carwow, but also paper magazines etc) they've all got similar results

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Again, when doing comparative analysis, none of that matters because the testing conditions for each car are the same or extremely similar

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:07 AM

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My car gets better than what EPA rated my car at whytho

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Fake news @normal temple

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Pretty real news tbh

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:08 AM

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But no it's not very similar for each car, since the effects can be very different on each individual car

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:08 AM

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But yea, using EPA is probably the best one out of the 3 standards because it's the closest to reality

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Hm

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EPA rated my car at 28 mpg meanwhile I can get 32 cruising at 75 mph

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sus

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:09 AM

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When comparing EV's the effects should be comparable

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when talking about ICEV, that's a different subject because there's a lot you can play with there

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:10 AM

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But apparently it's not, because the e-Niro got over the EPA in that test while the Model 3 LR stayed under it iirc? Pogey

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:10 AM

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BLESSED

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:11 AM

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And again, that test has waaaaaay too many unknow variables to be taken with anything but a metric ton of salt

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And to prove my point

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https://insideevs.com/news/355390/video-tesla-model-3-highway-range-test/

InsideEVs

Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus Real-World Highway Range Test

While EPA-estimated range gives us a good indication, it's not always realistic. How far can the Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus really go on a charge?

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Yeah because again, driving the exact same route in a train of cars is very inaccurate

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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this guy got 272 miles on US highways in a standard range plus 3

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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All of this is a scam, my parent's 2 ton SUV can get 550 miles per tank, its time to just stay with oil whytho

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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giving him an efficiency of 5.44 miles/kwh

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well above EPA estimate

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but, again, this is a single guy's anecdotal test with uncontrolled variables messing with the data

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so, you shouldn't use this guy's range test as much as the comparative one you keep citing

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:14 AM

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the title slide of the video is poor. he doesn't go 272 on a single charge, he just goes 272 total trip with an hour charge in middle. the punchline was he got 12% less range than rated going highway speeds near entire time

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:14 AM

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L U L

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:14 AM

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So yes het got up to 272 miles... With an additional 1h charge

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Oof

normal temple Jan 19, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Imagine not reading/reviewing the source before using it to prove your point

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BLESSED

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Also: no comment on my Twitter statement using false data GWmythiFeelsBadMan

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:18 AM

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InsideEVs didn't state what the charge was, so thought it wasn't a part of his range calc.

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(watched entire vid this time lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdUaM_w6-Dg&vl=en

YouTube

Now You Know

Model 3 "Real World" Winter Range

Welcome back for another episode of Now You Know! On today's episode, Zac tests out the real world range of the model 3!

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Anyway, overall point still stands that anecdotal range tests shouldn't be used when standardized range tests exist when doing comparative analysis between EVs

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@stoic ledge this is what they were referring to with the 55 number https://www.carscoops.com/2020/01/mercedes-benz-sold-just-55-eqc-evs-in-germany-in-november/

Carscoops

Dan Mihalascu

Mercedes-Benz Sold Just 55 EQC EVs In Germany In November | Carscoops

In comparison, the Mercedes-Benz EQC's rival Audi e-tron posted 192 sales in Germany.

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they def misquoted it bc it was just talking about November sales, but that's still pretty pathetic to only sell 55 in a month

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Well Tesla Q4 for the entire world vs Mercedes in 1 month in 1 country isn't representative 🙃

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Tesla sold way more EVs undoubtedly

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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yep, agreed

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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But atleast use actual numbers 🙃

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I mean it is an actual number, just misquoted

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https://twitter.com/matty_mogul/status/1218592531325366278

Matt Joyce (@matty_mogul)

Sandy Munro analysis:

600k @Ford F150s
$50M Dies
$65M Body Shop
$500M Paint Shop
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$615M Cap Ex

600k @Tesla Cybertrucks
$30M Dies
$35M Body Shop
$60M Paint Shop
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civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:08 AM

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This whole entire conversation is stupid. Just get a Nissan Leaf or a Prius Prime

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waaaay cheaper, high quality car

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sure, range will suffer, but it's cheap and nice

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plus, the Prius has a range extender so it's EV range is negated

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and by extension, I'd say the Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid and Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid also fit under that banner. Sure, their EV range is as trash as the Prius, but they are large vehicles that are quite practical

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If I were to go out and buy an EV today, with an unlimited budget, I'd get one of those four.

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

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I might have gone for the Golf-E personally.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

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eh

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If I was going to get a VW, I'd probably be getting a Diesel Passat

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But the Golf-E certainly isn't bad

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except that the Leaf has double the range for a less

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125 miles for $30k? please

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:15 AM

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The Leaf sure is a good deal. But the VW would have a better interior and such.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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highly depends on personal taste, I'd think

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Yeah

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Definitely gonna be someone who values the slightly better interior over 100+ more miles

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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I would seriously consider getting an EV if we just had a place to charge it.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

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For me, I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference in interior quality/comfort

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I'd be fixated on the pricing and specs

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

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The e Golf has over 200 km's range. Which is plenty for whatever I would want to use it for.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Then, if I were to go spend my own hard earned cash (not a hypothetical situation), I'd be getting the Prius. I would seriously look at the Mazda MX-30, but we don't really have much info on it yet (would also depend on whether or not it actually has a rotary range extender, and the price)

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Just need to get into the habit of hooking it up on the daily.

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My work commute is 50 km either way.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Yea, that's where a car like the Prius Prime is nice. Even if you forget to charge it, you can still drive it

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 10:27 AM

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There are heaps of hybrid cars you can get now.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Personally, I care more about the functionality of the car rather than if it's cheap. Buying ICEV is a dying practice, no need to prop it up further imo.

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Ugh, this reminds me of how I can't drive my car on a street here in Stockholm.

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My car isn't green enough.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Idk mang, a $60k car that is no more practical (and possibly less functional) sounds awful to me

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Why pay the premium on a Tesla that has low range and has barely more features and practicality

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I could daily my RX-7 if I really wanted to. Lots of cargo space, I rarely have more than one passenger (and even that is rare), and has better range than an EV.

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I have nothing against Tesla, but when you go around claiming it's objectively better in every way without considering alternatives (or actual objective facts), then there's a problem.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Just save yourself the headache and let the bandwagon go by

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:24 PM

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When did I ever claim that a Tesla is objectively better in every way?

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Tesla's are good for range.

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And tbh. You got a really good deal if you bought the first Model S and drove it into the ground.

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Since supercharger use was free.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Generally if you own a Tesla you don't even use the supercharger network that often unless traveling

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Yeah. But that's should be most EV cars in general.

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EV's shine for daily use and charging it at whatever location you're going to.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 PM

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@civic girder You know Tesla's start at ~40k right? You would need to add a bunch of stuff on top to get it that high.
I'd think that a car with the technology to drive itself would have more functionality than one which doesn't and is more practical to use in everyday life than ICEV.
Long range is good, but it's not necessary for most people in their lives. The only time long range helps is if you go on road trips. For daily commuting, not needed.

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civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:35 PM

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imo, the self driving is a meme. You still have to pay attention or you'll die.
$40k is a lot. You can get 50mpg out of a normal hybrid car for half the cost.
Sure, range is unnecessary in commuting, but not everyone can:
-afford a car that expensive
-charge an EV effectively
Not to mention, people don't like range anxiety. Even if they don't need more range, they'd be more comfortable knowing that they could go longer without stopping or risk getting stranded. "most" is a pretty vague term as well, I've met numerous people who drive more miles in a day than most EVs can do on a charge. And where I live, EV is a pretty dumb choice unless you work down the street and rarely go out shopping for anything more than errands at Walmart and other nearby shops. I only know of two charging locations anywhere near me, one is 15 minutes away in a parking lot in downtown, the other is an hour away (I'm not including the two charging stations at my college since only faculty are allowed to use them).

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:36 PM

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TL;DR - Hybrids are still alright.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:36 PM

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fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Hybrids ftw

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:36 PM

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In fact, we need more hybrids

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The EVs of today are a great stepping stone, but they are not the go-to choice for a vast majority of people

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Small cars are also underrated. So much to mess around with.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Indeed.

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I also remember seeing a Model S stranded on the side of the highway once

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:38 PM

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But the question is just - Is the Hybrid premium worth it over non-hybrid?

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Definitely

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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first time I've seen a modern car on the side of the highway that wasn't in an accident or had a flat tire
normally the only cars you see on the side of the highway are 90s and early 2000s beaters that are on the brink of death

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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In the long run you save money because of the way better fuel economy

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Also less emissions in city areas

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:39 PM

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yep

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full ICE is dying, but full EV is not ready yet

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Mhm

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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We still need a better charging infrastructure.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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That is one of the larger parts of why EVs can't happen yet

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Especially for homes.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Sure, I could go buy an EV today. But where the fuck am I gonna charge it

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:41 PM

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You have to pay attention while using AP yes, but if you weren't you wouldn't just like suddenly die lol.
Yep, agree that 40k is a lot. However, there's a clear and unmistakable trend of EVs getting cheaper over the last decade. Will not be very long before purchasing price of ICEV/PHEVs is the same as EVs
Yep, right now you kind of need a garage or driveway to charge EV effectively. Thankfully though, this is being addressed worldwide by having more public charging stations and businesses installing them.

Range anxiety is just classic FUD from someone who doesn't own an EV. If anything, you get more range anxiety from owning ICEV, gotta make sure you don't run out of gas on the highway or while going to work, and the car is too dumb to really do anything about it like warn you ahead of time...
The cool thing about EVs is you don't need EV gas stations, they can be charged at your house. So unless there are no electricians in your area, there's no legitimate charging reason why a home owner couldn't own an EV @civic girder

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:42 PM

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lmao

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:43 PM

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quality response

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😉

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I mean, you still don't understand, lol

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:43 PM

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understand what?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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No one is installing charging stations except cities. And cities don't have that kind of money

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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The biggest reason why people are unable to charge at home is that they might not have an actual garage to park in.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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I'd be surprised if a new charging station opened within 50 miles of me within the next 2 years

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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@civic girder literally there are charging stations everywhere in small towns what are you talking about...

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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And the only charging stations I've seen aren't even Tesla superchargers

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:45 PM

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@civic girder https://www.plugshare.com/

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Then, about the homeowner thing.......You do realize that 240V chargers are expensive, right? and that electricians are expensive, right?

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I've checked that site before

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:45 PM

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We have either public parking, or a shared garage for our street.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:45 PM

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A 240v outlet is not that expensive

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if you can afford to buy a Tesla, you can afford to get a 240v outlet

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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not always

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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bruh

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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people love to make stupid financial decisions

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It's a fair assumption, but isn't always the case

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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It's a cost you need to take into account when buying an EV.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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ok, ofc there's edge cases where the house would need rewiring because it's from the 1920s, but for most people it's not a hassle

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:47 PM

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I'm pretty sure 75% of the charging stations shown for my area on plugshare don't actually exist

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:48 PM

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why don't you drive to one someday and see

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Our shared garage needs a full rewiring if you want to use EV chargers.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:48 PM

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why?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:49 PM

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my entire house would need to get rewired if we wanted a 240V car charger

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:49 PM

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uuuh

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that prob means ur entire house is not up to code

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Bruh just get an electrician bruh

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:49 PM

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it's up to code, but the circuitry is big brain

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Houses and everyone on our street was built over 45 years ago.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Your house has smol pp

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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We have issues with my mom's plug-in hybrid being on 120V

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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literally just need a 60A breaker installed in your breaker box and conduit ran to where you need it

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not that hard, costs few hundred bucks for an electrician to do it

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or like $50 if you know what you're doing

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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doubt

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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don't recommend the 2nd option though

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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It would probably cost upwards of $1k or more

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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cause most people don't

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literally doesn't

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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the breaker box is opposite side of the house from the garage

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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the breaker costs like $20

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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and the house is 40+ years old

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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the outlet costs $5

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conduit costs $15

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the electrician's time costs $$$

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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yea, parts are gonna be cheap, no doubt

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but its still gonna take a long ass time to do

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and I'm certain something would need to get rewired

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:52 PM

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so unless your breaker box is like in the basement of your house on the opposite side from your garage, then it's pretty cheap to get it wired

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and you don't need to rewire your entire house to add a breaker

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:52 PM

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may as well if the breaker box is open

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:52 PM

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what???

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:52 PM

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our circuits are big brain, as I said earlier

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If the garage door is closed while I am running a graphics intensive game on my PC, then a circuit will trip

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:53 PM

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breaker box is open, therefor I should spend many thousands of dollars to rewire my entire house

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:53 PM

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since my room and the garage are on the same circuit for some god forsaken reason

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:54 PM

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bruh what are u smoking right now

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lemme get the contact info of your dealer real quick

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:54 PM

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lmao

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:54 PM

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seems he got some high quality product

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:55 PM

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assuming I am high, it'd be off the exhaust fumes from my rotary

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but yea

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the chargers shown on plugshare are mostly at car dealerships

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I highly doubt any random dude can just roll into a BMW dealer and plug in their Tesla

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:58 PM

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usually can unless it's gated off

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but most tesla's wouldn't be going to 7kw chargers

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cause that would take a while to charge

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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but what would I do at a BMW dealer for an hour while I wait for my car to charge

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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you wouldn't be there in the first place

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Look at cars you can't afford

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I'm assuing that most dealers are cheap. And only install basic chargers.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I'd also assume they wouldn't let you charge your car there if you aren't looking at cars to buy

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:00 PM

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ok but why would you be there in the first place?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:00 PM

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to charge my EV that has poor range because I decided that ICE and hybrids were big brain and not worth my money

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:00 PM

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"Bye honey, I'm going to the dealership to charge my car, I'll be back in like an hour or so"

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:01 PM

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like, sure I could get a 240V installed in my house

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but I can't walk into the store across town if its at my house

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I mean unless you're getting a really shitty range EV like some $15k chinese pos, then that shouldn't be a problem

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like even the base leaf has what, 150 miles of range?

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I don't know many people that drive 150 miles a day

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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150 miles when new

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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120 after a few years

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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If you're lucky

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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still don't know many people driving that much

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Can't drive to my grandparents and back with that

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:03 PM

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most Americans are driving like 40-50 miles a day

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so

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100+ would be more than enough

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:03 PM

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wot

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the new Leaf has like 200 miles range

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:03 PM

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So basically you're saying when you have an EV you should get an ICE car for the longer trips

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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BASE Leaf

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150 miles

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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so basically what you're saying is that I should buy two cars

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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If you have a car with 150 miles. then you're plenty good.

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The Leaf is getting kinda expensive, tho.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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no, I'm saying that the hypotheticals ur coming up with are unrealistic

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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More range. Mora batteries. More price.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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unrealistic

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lol

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Yeah we all barely leave our house

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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yea, like the dealership charger hypothetical

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basically never going to happen

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cause basically any EV you buy will have more than enough range for any daily activities

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Just get a bicycle, 0 emissions

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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and when you get home at night you plug it in

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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The Leaf is starting from like 400,000 kr here in Sweden. Which is basically $40k

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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100% back in the morning, another 150 mile range ready to go

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Yea, I don't see that happening where I live

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150 miles would be cutting it close, really close

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:06 PM

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That will be fun if everyone has an EV, everyone comes home from work at around the same time and start charging their car

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:06 PM

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how many miles do you drive a day?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:06 PM

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and then I wouldn't be able to charge it on 240V in my current living situation

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:06 PM

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do you have a dryer? @civic girder

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😉

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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wot

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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dryers run off the same outlet as EV chargers

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so

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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$46k if you want the 62 KWh battery

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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so you're saying I need a really fucking long cord to reach outside and to the end of my driveway

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Hah. I have seen that on our street.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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If you're too cheap to get the outlet installed where you need it, then you could buy an extension cord and bring the power there that way

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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in my current living situation, I could not do either

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It's not my house, and I do not have a spot in the garage for even 120V. And I can guarantee they wouldn't let me take a long ass cable across the house and down the driveway

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:09 PM

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are you renting?

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or rooming?

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if so, then yea an EV probably isn't for you atm.

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but you are a small subset of the public

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the majority of the public can have an EV, be able to do all daily activities in it

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:10 PM

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definitely wouldn't say majority

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:11 PM

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for road trips you basically need a Tesla if you want an EV, so that's still relatively expensive

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but again, that price is going down over time

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and there are more charging stations being built up finally

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:11 PM

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for road trips I would never get an EV until they have 600+ mile range and can recharge in seconds

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:11 PM

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so in other words, you don't ever want an EV

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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95% of my road trips would take forever with any modern EV

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even the long range Teslas

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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press X to doubt

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

A Better Routeplanner

A Better Routeplanner (ABRP) for planning trips and charging with a Electric Vehicle - both home and in-car.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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to visit my dad's parent's alone is a 500 mile drive

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let alone my mom's parents

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:12 PM

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so? that's like 1 or 2 recharges at superchargers

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30-40mins combined

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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yea, that's 40 minutes I could be driving

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Taking brakes is a good thing. 👌

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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and I'd have to take a route that goes waaaaaaaaaay out of the way so I could stop at a charger

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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you'd probably stop for a portion of that time already to refuel

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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I'm only allowed to drive for 4 and a half hours at work before I am required to take a 45 minute break.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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nope

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:13 PM

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and to use restroom

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stuff like that

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unless you have a bladder made of steel

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:14 PM

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In every car my family has (except my RX-7), we can make it my dad's parents on a single tank of gas

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:14 PM

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@civic spoke Trucking?

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Yeah.

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Driving a Volvo FE, designed as a dump truck.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Yee to the haw

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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yes you probably can, but then you're just stopping before the trip to top up your gas tank @civic girder

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Top off the tank the night before

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leave

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don't stop

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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for 7 hours?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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still have fuel left over

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Yea?

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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yea, most people don't drive for 7 hours straight

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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I do cause I hate stopping

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:15 PM

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not good for you either

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ok, so again, you're breaking from the norm pretty significantly

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:16 PM

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I'm kind of the same. But I rarely have to drive for so many hours in one go.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:16 PM

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most people have bladders that need emptying from time to time

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Longest would be roughly 5 hours up to our cousins.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:16 PM

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they get hungry over a 7 hour period

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they might need a coffee to keep going

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etc.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:17 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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all you need to do is not have poor planning

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:17 PM

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or drink water

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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yea, drinking water keeps you going

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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You definitely can't drink water and drive at the same time

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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nope, cause then you would have to piss

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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yea you can, you just need one of those straw bottles

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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and that would mean you need to stop

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Just pee in the bottle

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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ahh, I see, it's big brain time

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Big brain

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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nah

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with proper planning, even if you drink water, you shouldn't have to stop

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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yo, why even stop for food if you can just find some random shit laying around in your car and eat that

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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drinking coffee or a carbonated beverage will mean you have to stop tho

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Having a stop every now and then is a good idea tbh

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I just don't want my car to tell me when I should stop

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:19 PM

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with proper planning you have a lunch prepared beforehand

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yea, that too

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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To stretch your legs, get some fresh air

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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even if we stop, we still don't have to stop for fuel

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Nope

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I stop just to take a break

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Just get a catheter and install one of those water bags on the back of the seat. smh

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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15 mins max will do

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:20 PM

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I only do that if someone else is in the car and needs a break, or I didn't make proper preparations beforehand and am getting tired

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:24 PM

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idk, most drives I do are only 200-300 miles, so I usually stop once or twice especially when towing.

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:24 PM

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I want to drive down to the Nurburgring sometime. But it's like 1,500 km for me.

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Can technically do it in one day. But that would take 15-16 hours.

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Would want to leave at like 5-6 am if I wanted to do it in one day.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:25 PM

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8 hours is usually the max I can do all at once. 7 hours is fine, but much more than 8 and I'll need to stop for a long break or swap drivers

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I assume you have cruise control as well

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I mean, I've driven quite a few hours without cruise control

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Yeah but your right leg gets stiff after a few hours

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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yes, driving for many hours without cruise control is not pleasant, but it's far from awful

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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My right foot is cruise control for my work truck. OMEGALUL

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Since foot on the floor is 90 kmh.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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It's doable but not ideal

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:28 PM

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I mean, I didn't really have a problem with it

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my foot/leg wasn't really that sore afterwards either

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:29 PM

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I would love to have adaptive cruise control.

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But the problem is that I would have to get an automatic for that.

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Manual is love.
Manual is life.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Adaptive cc is annoying when you drive behind someone who cannot maintain speed

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Manual ftw

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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just get a manual with cc

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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^

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I have that.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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eew manual

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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lmao

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nothing wrong with manual

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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look, I'll give manual this

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Adaptive cruise control would just be bliss for bumper to bumper traffic.

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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it's a built-in anti-theft system

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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automatic is bliss in bumper to bumper

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Reminds me of SAAB.

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That you have to park in reverse.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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lol, anti-theft isn't the only reason manuals are nice

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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but everything else about manual succ

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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lmao

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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No? 🤔

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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just get 1 gear

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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Just get a CVT. lmao

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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~~The EV purist shows his colors~~

eager kite Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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EV love EV life

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I've driven CVTs, hybrids, automatics, manuals, and EVs.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Automatics in traffic jams aren't perfect either, I have to keep my foot on the brake pedal all the time

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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CVT hybrids and manuals are the best

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CVT non-hybrid sucks

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automatics are sluggish

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manuals are fun, even if the rest of the car is lame

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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JD, Just get one that has the hold feature.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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EVs are boring

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Hold feature?

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Holds the brakes for you, until you press the accelerator.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Which car has that

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Plenty.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Never heard of it before

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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hmmm

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yea I've never heard of it either

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Automatic Brake Hold is what Honda calls it.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:35 PM

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oh, its a Honda thing

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well, guess I'll pass

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSIgXoVXmnQ

YouTube

Germain Honda of Ann Arbor

Honda Brake Hold on the 2016 HR-V

HondaPro Jason explains how to use the "Brake Hold" function on the new 2016 HR-V. Great when you're caught at a long train or you just want to relax and take your foot off the brake. You're HR-V will hold it's position until you hit the accelerator!

▶ Play video

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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The only Hondas I'm interested in are pre-1990

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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It's not only a Honda thing, tho

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I've never heard of this feature

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:37 PM

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It's pretty nice for stoplights.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Though idk. I don't know if I can see myself using this feature much

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Work truck has the hill hold feature. But I don't really use that.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:38 PM

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more so than me getting an EV, but still

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I personally just use the parking brake to aid me from rolling back on hills.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I just keep my foot on the brake

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parking brake only for hill starts

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even more so when the dude behind you pulled a big brain and pulled up mm from your bumper but you have a manual

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though it would be their fault if you hit them

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cause they didn't give you space

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:41 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LU3qJ4ZGJI

YouTube

Mercedes-Benz USA

How to use the Brake Hold Function

Held up by a passing train or just waiting at a traffic light, the Mercedes-Benz Brake Hold function is a convenient way to keep you safely stopped without having to keep your foot on the pedal the whole time. Watch this video to learn how to use this simple, yet very helpful...

▶ Play video

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:46 PM

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You know what I should do

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make my Prius better

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computer controlled carburetor

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 2:46 PM

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CCC?

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 2:46 PM

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yes

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all the advantages of carburetors, with all the advantages of modern computing

lethal garnet Jan 19, 2020, 3:04 PM

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i have it on my subaru

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its amazing

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I wonder if it's only a thing in the US

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Seems like a nice feature to have

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 3:09 PM

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We have it here in Europe also.

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I remember my father's Audi having it.

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Actually now that I have looked up what the button for it looks like, I think my dad's Seat has it

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📎 vw-5430-e1415026771787.png

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Could also look like this.

📎 1208123669-1425510420573-1.png

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Anything that has that symbol (O) has something to do with the brakes.

unreal terrace Jan 19, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Who needs the p-break for hills 🤔 (or what sort of a mountain do you live on)

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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On steep hill I use the handbrake while parking... Otherwise just 1st gear :)

Or when trying to start on a steep hill, then it's useful too

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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lol plebs with manuals ;p

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Did you mean: "drivers with good control of their vehicle"? 😛

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:43 PM

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nein

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I mean it's ezpz to start on big hill with an auto :P

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Handbrakes are fun, not the Electric ones but the one with a lever you cab pull on super duper hard, so hard the next person struggles to get is off xD

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Well mine has hill-start assist so it holds the brake on a hill for a few seconds

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I park in gear pretty much always.

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Same

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I put my car in park and call it good, unless it's a big hill and then I use the brake

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I put it in gear with the handbrake on

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No handbrake if it’s near 0 degrees celsius

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Heh, I have parked with the handbrake on when freezing.

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It happened once.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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You guys say that like its a bad thing

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Here I am in negative C weather and my handbrake is fine

tribal mantle Jan 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Was -30c this past week here, colder with the wind chill. Always parked with my handbrake and no issues

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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I'm not good with my C to F conversions, but I'd say it's probably around -8C right now

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I've parked my car in -10C weather and not had handbrake issues tho

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I dislike using gear as my parking brake

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@civic girder The main issue is moisture when it's sub-zero

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If it's dry there's no issue

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I'm just doing it to prevent it from happening at all

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I still don't get it

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Handbrake + freezing can result in getting it stuck

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I'd rather avoid than heal tbh xD

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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If it's been raining or the air is just humid on its own, it can freeze stuck

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Or for example if the brake disc is warm and the handbrake pad is cold, the temperature difference will result in condensation, which will freeze if it gets cold quickly enough

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Hardbrake is usually drum brakes

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Even with rear disks, there's often another drum brake behind it just for the handbrake xD

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 5:02 PM

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It's still a cold pad (shoe) on a warm disc

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Wot, ebrake is a drum?

fair bronze Jan 19, 2020, 5:23 PM

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The inside of the disc

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https://www.howacarworks.com/brakes/adjusting-a-disc-handbrake

How a Car Works

Adjusting a disc handbrake

dense shard Jan 19, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Learning to drive, I'd use the handbrake to start on hills. Eventually I moved on to using it only on steep hills and when cars were super close behind me.

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After a point I stopped bothering... and ngl... I kinda wish I could disable hill hold on my Corolla.

civic spoke Jan 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I need to replace my handbrake pads, etc.

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Will probably do normal pads and rotors while I'm at it.

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 9:31 PM

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https://streamable.com/c50wz

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plugging in my mom's van

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Fancy

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 10:46 PM

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👌

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I love the key I got for the RX-7

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100x cooler than the key I got when I bought the car

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Posting keys online GWloopyGok Always great to create replicas and steal it Pogey

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Lol

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A key liek that you totally could

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@civic girder ahem

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 11:11 PM

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lol

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it'd be tough to replicate based off a picture, I'd think

indigo coral Jan 19, 2020, 11:12 PM

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it's not that difficult actually

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 11:32 PM

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^ not really that difficult indeed 🙃

civic girder Jan 19, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Yea, I looked it up

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holy shit

stoic ledge Jan 19, 2020, 11:33 PM

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You're welcome 😄

eager kite Jan 20, 2020, 3:01 AM

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https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/vw-again-delayed-the-long-waiting-id-3-to-spring-2021

TESMANIAN

VW Again ! Delayed The Long Waiting ID.3 to Spring 2021

In December 2019, foreign media reported on Volkswagen's alarming "massive software problems". According to the Manager Magazin, ID.3 will be built over several months without a complete software architecture. According to company reports, vehicles will be parked in speciall...

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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That's nothing new.

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The Golf was also delayed half a year due to software issues.

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At this point if a boomer wants to point out how modern cars have gotten too clever... now is a great time.

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Cause VW is handing out those jokes gratis.

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:21 AM

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📎 P_20200119_224709.jpg

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I'm gonna run the motor tomorrow. She could use the exercise. But no driving. But maybe if my street isn't salted I could go up and down the circle a couple times

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:23 AM

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which, the prius or the rotary?

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@civic girder

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:25 AM

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Rotary

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Prius I drove a couple times today. Once just to put miles on her and the other to pick up my brother

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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out of curiosity, is there a way to force the prius to idle?

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i lowkey want to just go for a few hours drive in my RX but i unfortunately cant 😦

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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I haven't really tested it extensively, but I think jamming the throttle in park will keep the engine running

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Why cant you go cruising? Did the RX break?

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:27 AM

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no, it'll cost like 30 bucks in gas

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lol

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Fair enough, lmao

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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242 miles

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a fun drive, but a lot to drive just for the hell of it

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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At least with the RX-7, it's worth the cost to go cruising. The Prius you can just go cruise cause you get 50mpg

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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I might give it a shot. Should go below 32 this week for the lows.

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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?

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Freezing nights have a nice ambiance.

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Super clear skies usually.

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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o

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Go for a drive?

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yes

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Ah

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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would prob be a nice in the corolla

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handles fairly well id imagine and gets 89239472893 mpg

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Even for my amateur self, halfway decent photos at night

📎 P_20200119_224654.jpg

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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last time I drove this road I only got 19mpg, at 50mph

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its a fun road

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Nah, the Prius gets more mpg than that, lmfao

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:30 AM

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♾️ mpg

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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I need to find fun roads for the RX-7. Most local roads are boring as fuck or scary cause dense traffic and blind corners

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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some decent roads up here

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50+mph and nice and curvy

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fun even in my RX

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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And often times the roads with good curves are like 25mph too

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So they're super lame

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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~~watch for cops and go like hell~~

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just kidding

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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1st gear is 30mph

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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same, but it rarely dips into 1st

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Automatic bad

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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automatic easy*

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:32 AM

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This true

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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automatic is good for a stupid american like me that can't drive

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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~~just learn to drive, ezpz~~

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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lissen here, I drive a lexus rx

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I'm a fuckwit when it comes to real cars

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Be me and get a second car

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:33 AM

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cant

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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No money, or no space

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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insurance for our family is already absolutely insane

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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How?

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I get a discount for multiple cars

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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3800$ every 6 months iirc

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Jesus fuck

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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2700$ of which is just my RX

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:34 AM

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HOW?

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Because I am "A dangerous demographic" and "Exceptionally high risk"

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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that's like 4x as much as the Prius

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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also they put a penalty for "Excessive power" and "All-Wheel-Drive Surcharge"

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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If not more

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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that's including a gpa discount btw

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& perfect record

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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WTH???????

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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no tickets or accidents

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Excessive power?!

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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apparently

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:35 AM

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You're getting fucked by that company

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Yeah

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Straight up the ass

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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AWD surcharge?!?!?!

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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yes

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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What the fuck?

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What company?

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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they claim its statistically proven to incrase accidents because you aren't as careful

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Yea, that sounds like some fishy af bullshit

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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usaa

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Wot?

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Get rid of them

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I have USAA and it's great

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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keep in mind i'm only 17,

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Still

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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they said we can renegotiate when I turn 26

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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I love my State Farm agent

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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parents have made 1 claim ever

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and it was 100% not our fault

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Hes super nice

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Even when I was 17, my parents didn't get fucked

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:37 AM

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He owns a firetruck

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He's the kinda crazy type

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Renegotiate at 26......

This a bunch of bullshit

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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we did call and clarify that I'm allowed to drive our other cars, though it's discouraged

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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The hell?

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Wtf

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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well, we told them my primary car is my RX

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so they didn't charge me even more

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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You have a sketchy agent

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:38 AM

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since the explorer/taurus have 365hp

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considering they tried to blame my dad when we got rear ended, yeah

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when we were stopped for a school bus, got hit at 60mph by a cadillac deville blah blah blah

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I've told the story before

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:39 AM

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My experience with USAA has been 12/10, never had a problem and they've always taken care of me. I have good rates, all that jazz.

My parents also have USAA and never had a problem. Idk what their rates are, but they're definitely not outrageous

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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our rates are insane

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Whoever the hell is your agent shouldn't work for them, cause that's all bullshit

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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thats why I can't get another car

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Yea, understandable

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Is there a cancellation fee?

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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I'm scared to think how expensive its going to be when I upgrade cars

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Cause you need to dump that agent

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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because it's only liability right now

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Just call around.

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Allstate has been good to me.

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:40 AM

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and if I got a G70, it'd be comprehensive

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I think my rates are $800 for the 6 month premium. Both cars. Both on comprehensive with $500 deductible

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I pay full coverage for the truck

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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650-ish for my car.

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I think I'd be somewhere around $650 with just the Prius

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I pay $85 a month for full coverage

indigo coral Jan 20, 2020, 4:41 AM

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idk what our deductible is, but i do konw that comprehensive was high enough that it was';t worth doing for my RX that's valued by kbb at 800 bucks

fathom socket Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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My deductible is $500

civic girder Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Comprehensive was like $2 more on the 7, so I figured what the hell

dense shard Jan 20, 2020, 4:42 AM

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oh I was wrong.