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dense shard
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Then again kei cars are gonna be a pain to work in regardless.

fathom socket
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@civic girder Don't use the garbage spark plugs sockets with rubber inserts in them! Get a magnetic one. You'll thank yourself for it.

normal temple
civic girder
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I don't see a problem with the rubber plug sockets

fathom socket
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They stop working after a while.

civic girder
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I've used my gigantic hulk one on the RX-7 numerous times without issues

fathom socket
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The rubber falls out.

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It doesn't grip the plugs well.

civic girder
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well yea, after a while the rubber will dry out, crack, and fall out

dense shard
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hulk socket
hulk torque?

civic girder
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it's a very wide socket

fathom socket
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A magnetic one is much better.

civic girder
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I forget the size, but it's pretty thicc

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who knew rotary plugs were so chonky.

fathom socket
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I got it from Autozone for really cheap.

civic girder
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this was the og plugs vs brand new ones

fathom socket
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That is a 9/16s inch plug

civic girder
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oh what

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it is?

fathom socket
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Your Prius will have a 5/8s inch plug.

civic girder
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yea, ook I'm just stupid

fathom socket
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You'll need to get a 5/8s spark plug socket.

civic girder
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I have like 3 5/8s plug sockets, lmaoo

fathom socket
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Okay.

civic girder
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I guess I just didn't put enough yeet on the ratchet when I tried to get it off earlier

fathom socket
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I'm telling you, the magnetic ones are soooo much better.

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ChrisFix recommends them.

civic girder
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I can always get one later

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as of now I do not have an immediate need for more sockets

fathom socket
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If you are working on vehicles all day every day. It's a must.

civic girder
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well, I'd sure hope I don't have too change spark plugs often

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I am in computer shit by trade, cars is just a side hobby to entertain me when computers are putting me to sleep

fathom socket
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Cause the rubber ones don't hold up for long

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I'm into computer stuff too.

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But my trade is automotive stuff.

civic girder
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For the RX-7, I don't think it really matters. I could just use a deep ass 9/16 socket for all I care. The plugs are so easy to access that it wouldn't matter

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all you need to do is break it loose and then you can thread it off by hand

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fuck, I could just use a wrench, lmao

fathom socket
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Yeah.

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Some vehicles are super easy to get the plugs out.

civic girder
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I'll have to take a picture tomorrow

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if you're experienced enough in it, you could probably swap plugs in less than 5 minutes

fathom socket
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Yeah.

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Transversly mounted 4 cylinder engines are really easy to replace the plugs on also.

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Except you need a socket with a long extension.

civic girder
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yea

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the problem with the Prius tho, is that the plugs sit up quite far back

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so it can be a little annoying since there's not much clearance for long extensions

fathom socket
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That sucks.

civic girder
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Yea

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luckily they don't seem to be too deep

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just deep enough that a normal extension that comes with most cheap socket sets isn't long enough

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god. The headlight replacement procedure is total ass

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you can either take the front wheels and front bumper off, in order to remove the one bolt you can't access that holds the headlight assembly in

or reach your hand into a cramped space and do it blind

indigo coral
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Rip

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mine you can get at the lights from the back

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So it's literally like a 2 minute job

civic girder
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yea, it's super hard to reach them with the assemblies in the car

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and then the retention mechanism and shit on the light itself is big dumb, so it is very difficult to do blind

dense shard
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I'm hoping my LEDs won't burn out... ever.

indigo coral
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same

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not that it would be a huge deal if they did tho

dense shard
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Shouldn't be a huge issue if it does.

indigo coral
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well it's just another 50$ or whatever the kit cost

fathom socket
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My LEDs have a 30,000 hour life.

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Think they'll last a while.

indigo coral
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yeah

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My LEDs are kind of obnoxiously bright but we have so many deer and shit running out of the trees that I do really need to have better lights than candles taped to my hood

fathom socket
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Mine are 12,000 lumens.

indigo coral
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idk what mine are, but I didn't retrofit projectors

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I did the sin of just sticking them in the reflector housing

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There's a retrofit kit for 400$ on Newegg wtf

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would probably be beneficial but that's a lot of money

dense shard
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Save it up, go for it in the future.

normal temple
civic girder
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Well I'll be damned. One of my plugs is cracked.

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You can barely tell

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Won't see it on camera. But they also don't seem too bad

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I also am having a real tough time getting these plugs out. Jesus Christ they are tight

civic spoke
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My fuel consumption for my 50 km drive to work

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Reset it just as I left my street

civic girder
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Holy fuck

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One of my plugs exploded

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Not sure if it was from me trying to get it out, or if it just did that on its own

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Either way, I'm in a dilemna now

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Guess you vacuum the porcelain pieces out?

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Give it a try I guess

indigo coral
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wow

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You're fucked

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if you can't get it out at all you're in some trouble

civic girder
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Yea. Vacuum isn't getting it out

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F u c k

indigo coral
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rip

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get some long tweezers or something

civic girder
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I have long needle nose, but you can't get them down there because the clearance is ass. I can't even see into the wells with my own eyes, I have to rely on my phone camera

indigo coral
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oh sht

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it's that cramped?

civic girder
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This pic probably doesn't even fully portray how cramped it is

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I'd need some curved long needle nose or something

indigo coral
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wooow

civic girder
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Yea. This is bad

indigo coral
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That's my rear setn

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And it's still easier to get at then yours

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Lol

civic girder
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I think I might have busted it trying to get it out. Probably cause they are at least 10 years old and didn't have anti-seize

indigo coral
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Hope you aren't gonna have to take off the head and send it away to get rebuilt/rethreaded

civic girder
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But then the plug socket I was using to get it loose apparently doesn't grip the plug cause the rubber is too far back

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And so the porcelain spilled out when it took the socket away with no plug

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Oh god. I really don't want to have to take the head off over a fuckin spark plug

indigo coral
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hope you can still get it out then

civic girder
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The same thing probably would have happened if I'd taken it somewhere. These plugs are likely the original ones

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Only difference is they might be able to get it out with a stronger vacuum or something

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I don't think my other spark plug socket can get it out, even if it were to mean that porcelain shards fell into the engine

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Which of course would be even worse

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Hmm. Idk if I have what I need to try this, but some people are saying to put something sticky on a something long and flexible, then try and grab the porcelain chunks with the sticky stuff

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I have some extra vacuum hose that might work

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Now I need something edhesive to put on the end that won't fall off and will also keep the porcelain attached

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And then this is going to be the most difficult surgery I may ever do. Fuck, why can't piston engines be as painless as rotaries

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Why must pistons be more reliable but so painful

fathom socket
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@civic girder Get a pair of really long needle nose pliers from Harbor Freight.

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Or any tool retailer.

civic girder
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I have long needle nose. But the problem is that the cannot reach down there because of the clearance between the top of the engine and the too of the engine bay

fathom socket
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If you take the valve cover off, it should be easier to get at the broken plug.

civic girder
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How complex will that be, and will I need a new gasket

fathom socket
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It depends, you might need a new gasket.

civic girder
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God damn it

fathom socket
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It should be not too hard to get the valve cover off.

civic girder
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I sure hope not

fathom socket
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Can you send a photo of the other parts of the plug?

civic girder
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All I have is a picture of that well

fathom socket
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Okay.

civic girder
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The plug is keeping the porcelain out of the engine, but

fathom socket
civic girder
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No

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The porcelain exploded

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Afaik the rest of the plug is intact

fathom socket
civic girder
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Something like that yee

fathom socket
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Okay.

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And you are trying the get the pieces out?

civic girder
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Yes

fathom socket
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Use a vacuum with an extension wand.

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Be careful.

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Those pieces of porcelain or super sharp and dangerous.

civic girder
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The problem is my vacuum has a large, solid opening

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So it can't quite get down there very well

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Can't even creat a vacuum over the well

fathom socket
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Buy a thing of 1/2 inch clear hose from the hardware store. And tape it to the end of the vaccum.

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I've had to do it before.

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Make sure to use anti-seize on the new plugs.

civic girder
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Definitely using anti sieze, holy shit

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Idk if 1/2 inch will work tho

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This vacuum has a thick opening

dense shard
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Do you have playdoh?

fathom socket
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Make sure that you torque them to the correct spec.

civic girder
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Somewhere, probably @dense shard

dense shard
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You could probably try to use that to stick and pull some pieces out.

fathom socket
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Don't chance it and just tighten them without a torque wrench.

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A 1/2 inch hose should fit down in the spark plug well.

civic girder
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How well would that work, you think? Play-Doh?

dense shard
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no clue, but worth a try. Beats having shards become part of the combustion cycle.

fathom socket
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I wouldn't use play-doh

civic girder
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1/2 should fit in the well, yea, but I don't think it'll fit over the hose?

fathom socket
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It won't fit over the hose.

civic girder
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Vacuum hose, I mean

fathom socket
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But you duct tape it to the end.

civic girder
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I guess it's worth a shot.

night current
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Worst comes to worse, flex seal

fathom socket
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Don't use play dough because it comes apart and will stick to the inside of the well.

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And I don't know if play dough is combustible

civic girder
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I just took the airbox off now. Honestly doesn't give you that much extra work soace

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But I guess I'll clean up some things and warm up the 7 to take and get that 1/2 inch hose

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Need to stop and get new spark plugs as well

civic girder
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I've got Ace about 4-5 min away

fathom socket
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Okay.

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Get a hose just like that.

civic girder
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Ok

fathom socket
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Good luck

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Feel free to ask me questions.

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Tell me if it goes well.

civic girder
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Alright. I'll @ you if I need further help

fathom socket
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Okay.

civic girder
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@fathom socket
Probably dumb question, but vinyl hose is fine?

fathom socket
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Is it clear?

civic girder
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Yes

fathom socket
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It'll work.

civic girder
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Figured

fathom socket
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The hose doesn't even need to be clear.

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But it helps to see what youre sucking up with the vaccum

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@civic girder Also, there's no such thing as a dumb question.

civic girder
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True, lol

fathom socket
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I've been watching that build.

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It's quite interesting.

civic girder
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Holy fuck

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It's working

fathom socket
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Awesome!

civic girder
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That's two pieces

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Now for the rest

fathom socket
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When you picture a Prius, do you see a red one?

civic girder
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No, I see my grey one

fathom socket
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It seems like a lot of them are red.

civic girder
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I see them in all colors

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Usually grey, white, and beige for 2nd gens thi

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Tho*

fathom socket
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Red and black Prius's are the most common where live

indigo coral
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trust me there such thing as a dumb question

dense shard
fathom socket
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That generation is the most common of the Prius's.

civic girder
fathom socket
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Do you have an air compressor or one of those cans of compressed air for cleaning electronics.

civic girder
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I have an air blower for cleaning computers. No compressor or actual can of compressed air

fathom socket
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Does the air blower put out compressed air?

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Does it blast air?

civic girder
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Yea, it's not as strong as compressed air cans, but it's an alternative

fathom socket
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Try using that to blast out the shards.

civic girder
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Ok

fathom socket
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Definitely wear safety glasses!

civic girder
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I'll have to see if I have any safety glasses.

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May have goggles somewhere tho

fathom socket
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Those shards will take your eye out.

civic girder
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Oh yea

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I've got safety goggles

fathom socket
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Good.

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Don't risk it.

civic girder
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Hmm. The shards didn't seem to budge

fathom socket
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Okay.

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You'll need a cab of compressed air

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They sell them at Ace.

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For $8.99

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Pretty expensive for a can of air.

civic girder
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Yea. That is expensive damn

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Let me see if I still have a can with some air left in it

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Ok. This can still has aor

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Air*

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Ok. Think I heard them rattle around a bit

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Trying vac again

indigo coral
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it's not actually air in a can

civic girder
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Still stuck down there

indigo coral
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do you have a skewer

fathom socket
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You'll need a new can with a lot of pressure.

indigo coral
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dislodge it with a wooden skewer

fathom socket
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You could always use chopsticks ๐Ÿ˜›

indigo coral
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or that

civic girder
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Yea might need something real thin that I can use to move them around while the vacuum tube is down there

fathom socket
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Use a straw or something.

civic girder
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Idk if that's gonna be thin enough

fathom socket
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But make sure to burn the straw if it's plastic afterwards.

indigo coral
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why is the plug crooked in the hole btw

fathom socket
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Cause you don't wanna kill a turtle ๐Ÿ˜›

indigo coral
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wait why would he -oh

civic girder
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It was loosened by my socket then wiggle around when I had the tube down there

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I need something like pencil lead in thickness, but a lot stronger. Maybe just slightly thicker than pencil lead

fathom socket
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Do you have one of those straws for an can?

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One of those really thin straws.

civic girder
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Like the compressed air can straw?

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Idk if that's long enough though

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But maybe if I use my long needle nose to grip it and stick it down there

fathom socket
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One of those.

civic girder
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Yea. That's like on the air can

fathom socket
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Yeah.

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Can you use it to dislodge the piece?

civic girder
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About to try

fathom socket
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Okay.

civic girder
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Initial inspection let's me like the plug with it, so should be able to dislodge the pieces

fathom socket
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Really hope it works.

civic girder
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It's not long enough, if it was longer it would work

fathom socket
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Definitely use penitrating oil for the other plugs.

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Did you try it with needle nose pliers?

civic girder
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Yea, the pliers make it a bit more difficult

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Speaking of the other plugs. I'm gonna douse them in WD40 rn

fathom socket
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Good idea.

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WD-40 doesn't work the best.

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I use my own homemade oil.

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It's a 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF.

civic girder
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It's all I have

fathom socket
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It'll work.

civic girder
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Yea

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Just spraying it down the well

fathom socket
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The best commercial product is PB Blaster.

civic girder
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Yea

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Ok. That's 2 plugs doused in WD40, one out, and one that's loose but porcelain is in the well

fathom socket
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What do you mean?

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Can you send a photo?

civic girder
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Of what?

fathom socket
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What do you mean by porcelain in the well?

civic girder
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The shards

fathom socket
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Get a can of compressed air.

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Is the vaccum meathod not working?

civic girder
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It was working on the larger pieces that didn't get stuck so bad

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But these smaller pieces really don't want to come out

fathom socket
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Get a new can of compressed air and blast then loose.

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Them vaccum it.

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Keep doing it until they come out.

civic girder
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I'll try this can again, but you may be right and I need a fresh one

fathom socket
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The used cans loose pressure over time

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Get a new one for maximum effect.

civic girder
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Yes

fathom socket
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Or you could yank the engine out and stick it on an engine stand and flip it upside down.

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๐Ÿ˜›

civic girder
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Don't have the stuff necessary to do that

fathom socket
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I'm messing.

civic girder
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Part of the problem is that once you put the it can on its side, it just sprays liquid

fathom socket
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Yeah.

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It's a pain in the ass.

civic girder
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And then there's one piece that's moving with the air, but the vacuum isn't picking it up

fathom socket
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You gotta hold the can as upright as possible and angle the straw into the well.

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Does the vaccum not have good suction?

civic girder
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The straw isn't long enough to do anything when you try and keep it uprught

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The vacuum is decently strong. It's not a crazy strong one though

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Ugh

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This is why we use anti sieze

fathom socket
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You might need to get a pair of really long tweezers.

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They make super long ones.

civic girder
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Yea. Where the hell would you find those tho

fathom socket
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I dunno.

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Gonna have to Google it.

civic girder
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Yea. I'm probably gonna take a break though. My friend wants to hang out for a bit

civic girder
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I'll see what I can find

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Damn, may have to get them on Amazon. I don't see any places that have them

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But probably my best shot at this stage

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And rotary life strikes again. What the fuck

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It's doing it's lumpy oil flooding thing

fathom socket
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Sorry, I know nothing about rotaries.

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Is that bad?

indigo coral
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dude you've got a bad run going @civic girder

civic girder
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Eh. The RX-7 just does that for some reason.

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I feel like it's a weird thing where it does it when you start it when it's like warm. Like you went somewhere and then we're inside for a bit and it was long enough for it to cool off, but not long enough to become cold

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But then when it does that lumpy idle thing, you just shut it off and wait for it to get completely cold, then it starts up ezpz

civic girder
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Yep. Hung out with my friend a bit. Came back, RX-7 is behaving again

night current
indigo coral
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oof

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gas prices gonna go crazy

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rip

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wait @civic girder how long does yours take to get stone cold? you just have to sit there and wait?

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mines not stone cold for like 2 hours

civic girder
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well it doesn't have to get stone cold, just cold enough to be considered a cold start

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you can either hot start minutes after you turn it off, or wait till the engine mostly cools off

indigo coral
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Rip

civic girder
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so about an hour and a half to two hours

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But I still can't confirm if that is actually the culprit or not

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just seems like it because its happened twice with those circumstances

civic girder
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Apparently my friend has a legit air compressor I might be able to borrow

indigo coral
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nice

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hopefully you can get it out

dense shard
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Elon Musk not realizing that Iranian oil is sanctioned and can't really be bought in the West.

indigo coral
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lol

dense shard
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If gas prices go up, it'll be Straits of Hormuz issues or purely artificial inflation.

indigo coral
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or just instability

dense shard
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So apparently the new Ford 7.3L is pretty powerful.

indigo coral
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is that the one in the GT500?

dense shard
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nah in the heavy duty trucks.

indigo coral
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ah

dense shard
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I don't see those engines every making it into cars.

indigo coral
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ford has given up on cars

dense shard
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Pretty much.

indigo coral
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honest to god, on their most recent earning call, they mentioned "scaling back SUV production to focus on our most lucrative market, pickup trucks"

dense shard
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They're holding on in Europe, but only just.

indigo coral
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aka they're considering abandoning the Explorer in favor of more trucks

dense shard
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That's dumb.

indigo coral
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not concrete, just a mention

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The explorer/expedition are crazy popular

dense shard
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They're going to scale back one of the top selling products in favor of a few dozen more F150 sales.

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Economy gonna collapse, and no one is gonna wanna buy a 75k toy.

indigo coral
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i didn't say they were going to

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I said they mentioned it

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as a possibility

dense shard
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They're already dumb for dropping the Fusion.

indigo coral
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particularly because they were stlil selling 300k+

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werent they?

dense shard
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It was/is a top seller in the US.

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yeah

indigo coral
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I don't blame them for dropping the taurus, despite it being one of their best cars

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hardly any sold

dense shard
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It's moving a lot of units even now.

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A redesign wouldn't kill Ford, and it would keep them competitive on the bottom.

indigo coral
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on the fusion?

dense shard
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Seriously... just drop the top nacho trims, and keep it more basic.

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yeah, the Fusion.

indigo coral
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they sell a LOT of the top nacho trims though

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lots of platinum/titanium/sport models

dense shard
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I'm willing to take anything here that preserves sedans in the market.

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I don't have 45k to blow.

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Or 35.

indigo coral
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The taurus was also too expensive when it was new

dense shard
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yeah

indigo coral
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a top flight SHO was 59k

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which was a bit crazy for a ford taurus

dense shard
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Poor man's E39 M5.

indigo coral
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It's a damn good car, but still

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you're getting dangerously close to BMW range

dense shard
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You're well into it.

indigo coral
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(or mercedes whatever marque you care to name)

dense shard
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Stripper BMW, sure.

indigo coral
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well, a bmw with competitive features/performance

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is probably around there isnt it?

dense shard
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I'd rather just get a Honda Accord. About as fast in a straight line.

indigo coral
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over a bmw or the sho?

dense shard
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yeah

indigo coral
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tbh

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im impressed with how decently the sho handles

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considering its a big ass sedan

dense shard
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The last generation Accord was brutally fast.

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Sub 6-second 0-60 times.

indigo coral
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the sho hauls some ass, and handles pretty well

dense shard
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Does it handle almost 25k better than an Accord?

indigo coral
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idk

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I've not driven an accord

dense shard
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No. It doesn't.

indigo coral
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but it can hit 4.9s

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doesn't it have twice the hp?

dense shard
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100 horsepower more.

indigo coral
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ah

dense shard
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Hell... let's deck the Honda out. They were what.. 35k loaded?

indigo coral
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we got a 2013 w/ 18k miles for 21k

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in perfect condition

dense shard
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35 vs. essentially 60k.

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Almost twice the price.

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No way it's twice as good.

indigo coral
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exactly why the taurus died

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but it's still a competent car

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particularly if you buy it used

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(lightly)

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(also 6 second 0-60 doesn't count as 'brutally fast')

dense shard
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Back in the early 2010s?

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When the average was 7-8?

indigo coral
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its adequately quick, but not brutally fast

dense shard
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For a family sedan. I'd say that's fucking fast.

indigo coral
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'brutally fast' is like between 2 and 3.5

dense shard
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For a hypercar, sure.

indigo coral
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(or an ev)

dense shard
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But what about a family sedan?

indigo coral
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6s is decent

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its adequate

dense shard
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This is something you can afford.

indigo coral
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I can't afford shit

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lol

dense shard
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How is sub 6 "adequate?"

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That's more than adequate. That's pretty fast.

indigo coral
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considering my RX can hardly keep up with traffic on on ramps and its 8.8, 6 is decent but not crazy

dense shard
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The mustang did it in a little over 5 in 2005.

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A 2012 Acord did it in just a bit more.

indigo coral
#

the 2005 mustang was dogshit though

dense shard
#

A V6 Accord can take on a Mustang in the right conditions.

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The Mustang had a V8, RWD, and 300 horsepower.

indigo coral
#

you're comparing a 2017 model year car to a 2005

dense shard
#

2012 actually.

indigo coral
#

obviously the newer car has the edge, its got access to competent/modern technology

dense shard
#

Point is what was considered fast in 2005 is still fast in 2012 or even now.

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0-60 in the 5 second range is remarkable. Especially considering it's now a family sedan that can do what a muscle car could just a generation prior.

indigo coral
#

meh, I'd still not call it remarkable. It's not terribly impressive. You were just complaining about the SHO and its engine, same principle in the accord. They stuffed a more powerful engine in a sedan, sounds good. It's not impressive nor remarkable. Just like the tesla-wanking about the 2.3s 0-60, it get handily and easily beaten by the taycan because its way newer. Tech advances, and shoving lots of power into something isn't impressive.

dense shard
#

I'd say that Honda doing it in a car for half the Price of the SHO is remarkable.

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Tesla and Porsche doing it are remarkable, but less so when you look at the price tags.

indigo coral
#

Can also get a similar level of performance in a Stinger GT

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that's what, 40k?

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and far nicer than the accord

dense shard
#

As it should be for a much greater price.

indigo coral
#

the GT1/GT2 raise the price, but the base GT is somewhere around 40k

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5k more isn't a much greater price

#

yeah 39,500 for a Stinger GT

dense shard
#

31 for the base 2.0T Accord.

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Closer to 10k.

indigo coral
#

with over 100 less horsepower

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and a shittier interior

#

๐Ÿค”

dense shard
#

It costs 25% less than the Stinger.

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I'd expect it be less plush.

indigo coral
#

that's not my point

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the taurus is overpriced yes, but the accord isn't a very good car either

dense shard
#

How isn't it a very good car?

indigo coral
#

its incredibly ugly, lackluster interior, and unimpressive projected reliability

#

honda has been rapidly dropping through the ranks in terms of being reliable cars

dense shard
#

I haven't heard any complaints about the interior.

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And exterior, while I agree, is subjective.

indigo coral
#

also the boosted 4 cyl shows up again, in an application where its completely unsuitable

dense shard
#

The 2.0 isn't my first choice, but it's no different than Hyundai, Kia, Chevy, or even Subaru.

indigo coral
#

They're all doing it wrong too.

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You should not be putting a 2.0T in a 4k lb sedan

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or SUV

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or whatever

dense shard
#

They're lighter than 4k.

indigo coral
#

Lots of the cars that have the stressed 4cyls are over 4k lbs

dense shard
#

Current Accord goes from 3,100 pounds to just under 3500.

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Lots of cars do, but I doubt any midsize sedans weigh more than 4000 pounds.

indigo coral
#

can get a Chevy Blazer that weighs 4200lbs with a 2.0t

dense shard
#

And that's a crossover.

indigo coral
#

so?

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point still stands that 4cyl doesn't belong in big cars

dense shard
#

I thought we were talking about sedans and boosted engines?

indigo coral
#

theyre going to fail way earlier

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than less-stressed, bigger engines

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and the "fuel economy" benefit is a load of sh*t too

#

the Explorer weighs 4800 bloody pounds and has a 2.3L

dense shard
#

Kia Stinger's 3.3 isn't exactly under stressed and easy going though...

indigo coral
#

No, but its better than a 2.0t making 300hp

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(or 416, looks at Mercedes)

dense shard
#

sure

indigo coral
#

the age of the 7L V8s making 140hp is over thankfully, but that doesn't mean all engines have to be tiny 4cyls

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at least not in big sedans/SUVs

#

hell even the C63 AMG is going to be a turbo 4

dense shard
#

I can agree to that.

indigo coral
#

next generation

dense shard
#

So the reasons to not buy an Accord or Sonata continue to decrease.

indigo coral
#

the new sonata is...interesting

dense shard
#

Why buy a Mercedes when you can get a more reliable car.

indigo coral
#

I like the headlights, though the droopy grille isn't my favourite

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the new Optima looks lit though

dense shard
#

Hell... give me a Nissan.

indigo coral
#

ew

#

never

#

nissan makes garbage

dense shard
#

New one looks nice.

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Better styling than the Accord for sure.

indigo coral
#

The new optima is nice except for the tail lghts

dense shard
#

Arguably the Sonata. I can't help but think the hand of god is squishing it down like a sleeping cat.

indigo coral
#

I like the headlights on sonata but the corners of the grille droop down

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and thats not my favourite

#

overall it looks decent

#

The new G90 is f*cking ugly though

#

its absolutely heinously ugly

dense shard
#

The entire car is kind of half-circly, but squeezed down.

#

I'm guessing the Optima looks better than the name sounds.

#

No, I'm not interested in time shares.

indigo coral
#

they might rename it to the K5

dense shard
#

That's worse.

#

Keep Optima, I withdraw my issue with the name.

indigo coral
#

they call it the K5 everywhere else

dense shard
#

Alpha numerics are dumb.

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Especially when automakers try it.

#

MKS is bigger than the MKZ, and the MKX isn't a car, but an SUV.

indigo coral
#

oof

dense shard
#

There is no MKY

indigo coral
#

surprised ford didn't sue tesla over the Model S and the Mark S lincoln

dense shard
#

I couldn't tell you what an MKC, MKT or whatever else there is.

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BMW is even worse.

indigo coral
#

the BMW 330xci

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lol

dense shard
#

Odds are 4 doors, evens are 2 doors

indigo coral
#

except when theyre not

dense shard
#

Unless it's a Grand Coupe

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Or Grand Sport

indigo coral
#

Gran coupe*

dense shard
#

Also it doesn't apply to SUVs

#

Also the rest of the numbers have no bearing on reality.

#

Mercedes meanwhile

indigo coral
#

used to keep it by engine size approximately but nOt AnYMoRE

dense shard
#

It's a C63 AMG , but it's not the AMG C63, also don't forget the AMG Sport C62.

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They're all V6s.

indigo coral
#

and Lexus. LOL. Their Hybrids are usually 100 higher in the RX 350 -> RX 450h, because hybrids are 100 better. Apparently.

dense shard
#

At least they treat the hybrids as one level up.

indigo coral
#

unless it's a CT, then its the same.

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Or the LC

dense shard
#

It's fancier

#

But there is no Lexus LC XDrive 500i MSport

indigo coral
#

yet

dense shard
#

I don't see them doing it.

indigo coral
#

there WAS however the Lexus LS600hL

dense shard
#

LS big sedan
600 big engine
h hybrid
L long wheel base

indigo coral
#

yeah

dense shard
#

That still has a logical progression.

indigo coral
#

LS = Luxury Sedan

#

GS = something else

#

ES = Elegant Sedan (apparently)

dense shard
#

... sure?

indigo coral
#

they said that

#

also UX = Urban Crossover iirc

dense shard
#

CT: Crebadged TPrius

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The C and T are silent.

#

hmmmm

#

BMW X4 xDrive30i or
BMW X4 M40i

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The 30i has a 2.0 liter engine, the M40i has a 3 liter engine... okay... sure?

indigo coral
dense shard
#

I tried reading BMW's wiki page.

#

Apparently i still means fuel injected.

indigo coral
#

oof

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yeah

#

and d is diesel

dense shard
#

e is carbureted?

indigo coral
#

apparently RX = Radiant crossover for whatever reason

#

no

#

e is partially electric

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or all electric

dense shard
#

oh, used to be the fuel economy trim.

indigo coral
#

the 530e and stuff

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is PHEV

dense shard
#

Phallic Hybrid Evocative Visuals?

indigo coral
#

uh

#

no

dense shard
#

yes I know what it means.

#

After a point the acronyms lose all meaning to me.

#

Because despite Plug In being two words, it's not in PHEV.

#

They might as well abbreviate it all to just P. Plug-in-hybrid-vehicle... like the last bit is even relevant. Is there a PHEB or PHEP?

indigo coral
#

idk

#

its sad they cancelled the i3 and i8

dense shard
#

But you can understand my saltiness on acronyms.

#

The death of the i3 and i8 was a mistake.

indigo coral
#

I quite liked the i8

#

it wasn't crazy fast or anything but it wasn't really intended to be

dense shard
#

All automakers have dedicated EV platforms.

indigo coral
#

(also you can get them used for like 55k)

dense shard
#

Except for BMW... who moved EVERYTHING to 2 platforms.

#

NX stands for Nimble Crossover... uhhhhh

indigo coral
#

idk, they have weird names

dense shard
#

Aspirational goals I presume. lol

#

They should totally bring the CT back though.

indigo coral
#

yes, and with a 3.5 V6 hot hatch version

dense shard
#

Just put a bigger grill on the Corolla hatchback, and sell the hybrid version here.

indigo coral
#

450hp

civic girder
#

if the air compressor fails

#

I ordered those long ass tweezers

#

so one way or another, those little shits are coming out of that well

indigo coral
#

could just buy a new engine /s

civic girder
#

and jesus christ, I will lather the new plugs in anti-seize

indigo coral
#

we put some on mine when we swapped plugs

civic girder
#

I didn't put any on the RX-7, but with how easy it is to access the plugs, even the porcelain shattering is no big deal at all

indigo coral
#

well I'd be more concerned about stripping the holes

civic girder
#

yea, honestly

#

look at this

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so much space

#

absolutely nothing in the way

indigo coral
#

weird

civic girder
#

just straight onto the side of the block

indigo coral
#

wow

#

seems a bit sketchy lol

#

that so much stuff is exposed

civic girder
#

#rotarylyfe

indigo coral
#

its raining and I'm concerned its giong to fork up my engine

#

the engine cover still hasnt been put back

civic girder
#

the plastic one?

indigo coral
#

so I hope it doesnt short out ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

#

yes

civic girder
#

lmao

#

I doubt it

#

the electrics in engine bays are designed to take a beating

#

you can technically pressure wash them without fear, but pressure washing is actually more of a absolute worst case scenario (besides being submerged)

indigo coral
#

i recall doug mocking the mitsubishi mirage for being able to see the ground below the engine

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apparently my car is worse than the mirage

#

๐Ÿ‘€

civic girder
#

just driving through or sitting in rain, you've got nothing to fear

indigo coral
#

you can see the ground underneath it

civic girder
#

if you can see the ground underneath the engine, that just means you don't have a skidplate

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which you only really need if you're going offroad, and more so rock crawling than mudding

#

I can see ground in the Prius too, barely cause its all so packed together, but I can

indigo coral
#

there's lots of space in my car

#

just in the wrong places

#

lol

#

turbo kit for rx300 when

#

just kidding, not possible on this car.

civic girder
#

you can turbo a Prius if you try hard enough

#

so I bet you could turbo your RX

indigo coral
#

nah, one guy did it and his trans lasted literally 1 week

civic girder
#

it would just involve a fuck ton of custom fabrication

#

well you'd also get a tranny that isn't shit

indigo coral
#

i don't think you even can, the trans in this is super weird

#

there's no real alternative

civic girder
#

as long as the bolts line up, you can fit anything

indigo coral
#

its sideways coming out of the engine

#

so..

civic girder
#

if the trans tunnel doesn't allow, you just need a hammer and make space

indigo coral
#

there isn't a trans tunnel

civic girder
#

ah, transverse

indigo coral
#

the floor is flat all the way back

civic girder
#

there's plenty of transverse cars

#

just yeet a trans from a different one

indigo coral
#

also you'd have to replace the ecus

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and stuff

#

its electronically controlled trans

civic girder
#

aren't most autos somewhat electronically controlled?

indigo coral
#

some

#

iirc some older ones were vacuum controlled or something

civic girder
#

probably the really really old ones

indigo coral
#

well lexus put ECT all over the car, so they were clearly proud of their shitty transmission

civic girder
#

80s probably finally started getting some electrics in there

#

you could also just say fuck it and go manual too

#

turbo stick shift RX300

indigo coral
#

no center console

#

lol

civic girder
#

is there really no space

#

for a stick

indigo coral
#

its drawers

#

so...

civic girder
#

does it have a console/dash shifter?

indigo coral
#

ye

civic girder
#

ah, then manual swap would probably suck

indigo coral
civic girder
#

yea, manual swap would be kinda hard then

#

well, idk

indigo coral
#

(i also can't drive stick)

civic girder
#

Hondas had console sticks

#

in the early 2000s

indigo coral
#

200s, eh

#

thats a long time ago

#

๐Ÿ˜›

civic girder
#

driving manual is ezpz

#

especially when you actually have tork

indigo coral
#

I tried in my grandpa's old truck and it really didn't go well

civic girder
#

how old

indigo coral
#

'87 F150 iirc

civic girder
#

hmmm

indigo coral
#

the gas pedal was so damn stiff

#

and it hardly moved

civic girder
#

it should have syncrhos

#

strange, I can see how that might make it annoying

#

but in trucks, you don't really need gas to get going cause they have torks for days

indigo coral
#

idk, I only successfully made a shift once

#

so yeah I'm done with that shit

civic girder
#

god damn

indigo coral
#

automagical ftw

#

I'm not dealing with bullshit like that every day

#

fighting with the car to make it go

civic girder
#

You'd get used to it

#

and you have to practice or you will be bad at it

indigo coral
#

only car we have that's stick is my dad's lifted bronco

#

which isnt'....

#

uhh

#

safe/easy

#

lol

#

so yeah ill stick with easy automatics. manual is too damn difficult.

civic girder
#

as a beginner you shouldn't drive on roads with much traffic

#

and don't worry, I could barely even get the car to crawl forward at all when i first tried

indigo coral
#

its also too easy to fuck up a manual trans

#

1 mistake and oyu've got a 10k bill

civic girder
#

If you really really really fuck up, yea

#

long as you know to never move the stick when the clutch isn't pressed, you shouldn't fuck it up too badly

#

and do regular fluid changes, cause manual trans likes that

dense shard
#

You aren't missing much tbh

civic girder
#

It's more of a thing you want in a fun car

#

whether that's a 500hp supercar, or a 120hp beat up Civic that you thrash around like it's worth less than the cost of the gas to put in it

dense shard
indigo coral
#

oh are they actually making it?

fathom socket
#

@civic girder Have you done anything on your Prius?

civic girder
#

Not since earlier

fathom socket
#

K.

#

It's good that you have a second car.

civic girder
#

Going to borrow an air compressor from a friend tomorrow and see if I can make progress. If not, I ordered those tweezers as a backup plan

#

Yea, this is the second time second car has saved my ass

fathom socket
#

Cause you'd be screwed without the RX-7

civic girder
#

Yea, luckily I don't have work until this weekend and school doesn't start till Monday

dense shard
#

I want to say Sony won't be making this car.

#

They're just flexing their tech to investors. That's my take.

#

I wonder how many Sony things my car uses.

#

Magna built the car.

civic girder
#

Tesla Model Sony. Tesla Model S underneath all the fancy Sony head units and speakers

dense shard
#

I'd say Magna is a step up from anything Tesla makes.

#

A very boutique solution that makes far more sense than it should.

civic girder
#

I've never heard of Magna

dense shard
#

Magna Steyr I believe. Same guys who make the BMW Z4 and Supra, and a few other cars.

#

They're basically a specialty manufacturer a lot of other automakers contract to build lower volume cars.

civic girder
#

so kind of like Pinafarina, but production instead of design?

dense shard
#

A couple of Jaguar models, the G-class still, and limited BMW 5-series production.

#

yep

civic girder
#

Ok, makes sense

dense shard
#

They also apparently do development work, engineering, as well as assembly.

#

Magna Steyr AG & Co KG is an automobile manufacturer based in Graz, Austria, where its primary manufacturing plant is also located. It is a subsidiary of Canadian-based Magna International and was previously part of the Steyr-Daimler-Puch conglomerate.
Magna Steyr engineers,...

#

That could be a new goal in the future. Buy a car made by Magna.

#

Also they do concepts it appears.

civic girder
#

nice

indigo coral
#

so its a copout for manufacturers who cba to do it themselves?

dense shard
#

I wouldn't say so.

fathom socket
#

Those are some frickin bright reverse lights.

drifting mantle
#

Lol. I replaced the reverse lights on my car to LEDs.
To the driver, they're brighter, but not by drastically.
To outsiders, I'm sure they're much brighter.

#

I also replaced the mid-dome light, and holy crap is that bright.
Lights up the car like if I was surrounded by cops or something x'D

fathom socket
#

My truck has nothing but LEDs in it.

drifting mantle
#

I'm going to eventually replace almost all of the lights on my car to LEDs.
Just not the headlights, cause I don't wanna have to worry about accidentally blinding people. (Also, I can see just fine)

civic girder
#

I want to do my brakes, tails, and indicators with LEDs. Side markers and parking lights would be nice, but I don't feel like they're necessary. Reverse is good enough and the halogen headlights are plenty bright already

drifting mantle
#

I changed my brake lights to LEDs a few days ago.
I also learned that my car has a "brake lamp" light on the dash, when it sees that the current is too low, that same day.

shadow osprey
#

I would advise against LED tails unless you get a whole assembly that's meant for LEDs. otherwise it's like putting HIDs in your stock headlight housing, just gets annoyingly bright

#

just my opinon, they still look good

normal temple
fathom socket
#

I dunno.

#

Hard to say ๐Ÿ˜›

drifting mantle
#

x3

civic girder
#

the outer lenses on my stock tails are pretty dark imo

#

the colored inner lenses don't help because they are pretty thicc

normal temple
#

Whack

civic girder
#

I know my car has brake lamp indicator too

normal temple
#

I know how to make your car more visible

#

Wanna know how

civic girder
#

found out because when I first got the car, the "Stop Lamp" light would come on whenever you touch the brake pedal

normal temple
#

Rotary f i r e b a l l s

civic girder
#

lmao

#

true

#

but I'm not sure if defeating the anti-afterburn will fuck my exhaust and blow up my cat or not

fathom socket
exotic turtle
#

oh neat

civic girder
#

I also don't want to melt anything at the back, lmao

exotic turtle
#

cars section

civic girder
#

woah

fathom socket
#

Yep.

normal temple
#

Woah

civic girder
#

when did my apex seals get a discord account?!?!?!?

normal temple
#

The one and only apex seals

fathom socket
#

It's where all the cool kids hang out.

normal temple
#

Did you leave @civic girder's engine yet

civic girder
#

I also agree that 4 bangers suck

#

I found that out the hard way

normal temple
#

yeet

#

3 bangers suck more

#

Rumbley bois

civic girder
#

fewer spark plugs to break

#

and get stuck

#

so

#

superior in my eyes

normal temple
#

I think that's a you problem

fathom socket
#

I enjoy 8 bangers more ๐Ÿ˜›

civic girder
#

lol u rite

normal temple
#

My parents 8 banger has 16 sparky bois

civic girder
#

big brain time

exotic turtle
fathom socket
#

Is it a Hemi?

exotic turtle
#

gotta post my boosty boys

normal temple
#

No

#

Its a Mercedes

fathom socket
#

Oh.

civic girder
#

๐Ÿ‘€

#

You have a TII?

normal temple
#

Look at that FC

exotic turtle
#

yep

fathom socket
#

Hemis have dual spark plugs.

civic girder
#

Damn, nice

normal temple
#

I could use the brake calipers off that

#

For my ghetto big brake kit

exotic turtle
#

i have like

#

3 sets of turbo calipers lol

fathom socket
#

@civic girder Just get a diesel, they don't have spark plugs that can break.

normal temple
#

Yeah I only need the fronts

civic girder
#

diesel swap Prius

normal temple
#

Just because uh 4 pistons sounds pretty good compared to my single pistons

fathom socket
#

Yeah.

normal temple
#

Then I need VW Corrado rotors so they're bigger

#

and a Volvo brake line bracket hue

fathom socket
#

You should 12 valve Cummins swap a Prius.

civic girder
#

I actually wouldn't be apposed to slapping an na disel 4 banger into the Prius and bolting it into the hybrid system

exotic turtle
#

top speed in the rx7 is 141mph

#

top speed of the wrx was slower at 134 actually

#

lol

civic girder
#

the speedo in my 7 is......optimistic

normal temple
#

Top speed of my E30 is uh

#

Yes

exotic turtle
#

lol

normal temple
#

Quarter mile in eventually

exotic turtle
#

wanna see how i found out the rx7 top speed

civic girder
exotic turtle
#

like, actual, not theoretical lol

civic girder
#

This is still whack

normal temple
#

One big hill, and a 300 shot of giggle gas

civic girder
#

two rotary bois now

exotic turtle
#

one boosted

civic girder
#

ye

exotic turtle
#

blown, but i'm going REW now

normal temple
#

ruh roh

civic girder
#

oof

exotic turtle
#

no ls for me

civic girder
#

gud

#

ls bad

fathom socket
#

My Dads old Chevy K10 gets to 60 mph by noon. If you start in the morning.

normal temple
#

You want a unique engine

civic girder
#

efi bad

exotic turtle
#

i have a boxer and rotary

civic girder
#

carb good

normal temple
#

A Ford V4

#

time to go

civic girder
#

I too would like a boxer

fathom socket
#

I have a friend with 6 boxer cars.

civic girder
#

prolly an Impreza RS

#

WRX is too vape boi for me

normal temple
#

How about STi

exotic turtle
#

normal rotary

civic girder
#

I would prefer STi, but they expensive

exotic turtle
#

whistle is good

#

no whistle

#

at all

fathom socket
#

Is it true that the bottom of the pistons on a boxer wear easily?

exotic turtle
#

thats me laughing lol

civic girder
#

oof

fathom socket
#

Pardon?

civic girder
#

those rotors look a little chaffed too

exotic turtle
#

tracking the wagon lol

#

turn down speakers

#

or you will have bleeding ears

civic girder
#

what is mic quality

exotic turtle
#

cell phone lol

#

galaxy note 2

civic girder
#

oof

#

even my phone is not that bad

exotic turtle
#

oh its from some time ago

#

about 3 or so years ago i think now?

#

3 or 4

civic girder
#

I just remembered I have a cold start video for my 7 from today

#

gonna upload it

normal temple
#

Galaxy Note 2 wew lad

exotic turtle
civic girder
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man that caught me off

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I'm so used to cold start going to 2k from the choke, lmao

exotic turtle
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lol well mine had all emissions removed

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and didnt rev up when cold starting

civic girder
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My smog pump is dead weight

exotic turtle
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normally they do idle at 2k until warm

exotic turtle
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well, til the cat is warm

civic girder
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did yours do lumpy idle until warm?

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and misfire like a mofo

exotic turtle
normal temple
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cammed rotary

exotic turtle
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i never learned to do a real good burnout

fathom socket
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@exotic turtle It take practice.

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Power helps too.

civic girder
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hitting where it hurts ey

exotic turtle
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she shot fireballs like a proper rotary tho

normal temple
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Dry rotted tires help more

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LOOK AT THAT VISIBILITY @civic girder

civic girder
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lmao

normal temple
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See now that's what you need

fathom socket
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My 600+ whp Duramax will do a burnout at the blip of the throttle.

exotic turtle
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i miss that interior

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nothing feels quite as good as an 80's sports car with a manual steering rack

fathom socket
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What do you mean?

exotic turtle
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the raw feeling, you can feel everything the wheels are doing

fathom socket
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No power steering?

exotic turtle
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yeah, my TII is manual rack from the factory

fathom socket
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Ah.

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Recirculating ball style steering sucks.

exotic turtle
civic girder
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I don't think its that bad

exotic turtle
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i do still get to have fun in the wagon

fathom socket
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It's what my truck has.

exotic turtle
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but only with snow/ice

civic girder
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ball style has lots of play, but it works great

fathom socket
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Yeah.

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The play sucks.

exotic turtle
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sooo

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bottom turbo is the stock fc turbo, turbo on the right is going on the wrx, and the big un is going on the new motor. aiming for 400-450whp initially, then upgrading it to handle 500whp. its a cummins VGT turbo.

civic girder
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damn

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here we go

exotic turtle
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sigh

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this is just pissin me off tho, cant figure out how to fix this, computer problem. seemingly nobody else knows how to either

civic girder
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what's going on?

exotic turtle
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drive/folder permissions

civic girder
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oof, those can be a pain

exotic turtle
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i described it in tech support

civic girder
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I'll jump over and take a gander

civic girder
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my daily has a spark........issue

exotic turtle
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lol

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dizzy?

civic girder
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these, likely, 90k mile spark plugs were just awful

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it started misfiring, and then the first plug came out cracked

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2nd one fell apart before it even came out

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haven't been able to get the shards out yet

exotic turtle
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oooooh man

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yeah thats no good

civic girder
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Yea

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hopefully using an air compressor to dislodge the shards and then grabbing them with vacuum works

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if not, I ordered some 19 inch tweezers that should do the trick

fathom socket
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Forgot to plug in the truck that keeps the engine warm and now I gotta wait 20 minutes after I plugged it in grrr

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Diesels are like cold-blooded reptiles

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They hate the cold

fair bronze
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Do you really have to preheat it?

fathom socket
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It's an old 1993 pickup at 800 thousand miles I don't wanna force it to start lol

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It's a Toyota pickup that says YO

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The to and ta got rusted out

civic girder
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We made progress. There's only one shard left

indigo coral
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yay

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I don't preheat my car cause it seems to start fine in winter

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Tho it's 43f outside rn so that's not that cold for machines

fathom socket
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I don't preheat my truck unless it's 15ยฐ or lower.

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My van doesn't need to be preheated.

civic girder
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@fathom socket
Well. I got new plugs in, but now there is a strange rattle. Kinda sounds like something is loose