cars

[safe birch]

Brand new Supra is 72k, cheapest model

[stoic ledge]

A Supra V starts ar rougly €90k here

72k? Cheap af

xD

[dense shard]

50k in the US.

[safe birch]

https://www.willhaben.at/iad/gebrauchtwagen/d/auto/toyota-supra-katarga-supra-gr-3-0-prominence-red-322542721/

I wonder tho

[stoic ledge]

Oof Ostenreich

[safe birch]

is this before or after Tax?

if this is before tax than this is over 100k

[dense shard]

Depends on the dealer.

[stoic ledge]

I assume including tax

I'm not familiar with the Austrian car tax tho

[safe birch]

let's see if i can configure the Supra

they will tell me the tax

well the NoVA is Europe wide

[stoic ledge]

NoVA? Is that the regular VAT? (19/21%)?

Ok I was wrong, the Supra starts in 🇳🇱 at only €82k

[safe birch]

no, NoVA stands for Normverbrauchsabgaben

a tax you have to be if you are going to be the first owner of this car

[stoic ledge]

🤔 That's not Europe wide as far as I know...

[safe birch]

I once did a price comparison with my american friend, to configure a mustang GT in our countries

he got 35k I got 68k

[indigo coral]

Oh hi welcome to cars chat

[safe birch]

20-25k were NoVA

[indigo coral]

you're the one I bother about psu all the time

Lol

[stoic ledge]

O hey there falcon

[safe birch]

all the time?

[indigo coral]

a few times

[safe birch]

Twice haha

but yeah feel free to bother again if you have any questions

[indigo coral]

Either way welcome to cars chat 😂😂

[stoic ledge]

Mustang starts over €100k in 🇳🇱

[safe birch]

yeah

[indigo coral]

MK has a mustang GT cos... Yes

That

[stoic ledge]

🙃

[safe birch]

this is my oppurtunity to whine about me nmever going to be able to drive a manual

[indigo coral]

I don't even know how to lmao

[safe birch]

If you do your license with an automatic car in Europe, you can only drive automatic

[stoic ledge]

Manual ftw

[safe birch]

Nah man

Listen shifting is fun

[stoic ledge]

Oof yes I explained that too falcon before xD

[dense shard]

Till you end up in traffic.

[safe birch]

but a daunting task if you have Asperger's

[indigo coral]

Yeah it seems really incredibly dumb to have a rule like that

[dense shard]

Or if you are eating a burger.

[indigo coral]

Wtf purpose does it server

[stoic ledge]

Oof yes I bet it is

[indigo coral]

Serve*

[safe birch]

@dense shard why the hell would you eat and drive?

[dense shard]

Because I am hungry?

[indigo coral]

^

[dense shard]

or sad

or bored

or driving

[indigo coral]

We Americans spend a whole lot of time in traffic

[stoic ledge]

To avoid people who can't use 3 pedals to drive ut between other cars

It's plain out dangerous

[indigo coral]

but no, you can learn a stick still

so why should you be restricted?

[dense shard]

no clue tbh

Japan had the same restrictions.

[stoic ledge]

If you can drive it, take an exam and get the restriction lifted

[indigo coral]

if you're dumb and try to drive a manual car on the public roads without knowing how, it's your own damn fault

[stoic ledge]

I can also learn to drive a lorry. Still have to pass a test xD

[dense shard]

In America, sure.

But the rest of the world requires you actually know how to drive.

[indigo coral]

I'll have you know I scored a perfect 100% on my driving test.... But it was super easy and didn't even go on highway or anything

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[dense shard]

Then again I knew a British guy who didn't need to retake any tests in Japan.

He was not a great driver.

[safe birch]

Configured a Mustang GT again

[indigo coral]

Yikes

[safe birch]

13 THOUSAND

just for Tax

[dense shard]

rekt

I paid... less.

[safe birch]

and another 9 thousand

for even more tax

[indigo coral]

Lol, could get a nice used Mustang for that here

[safe birch]

so yeah 22k just for tax

[indigo coral]

2015 GT if you're lucky

oh shit

Lol

Can get a brand new Ecoboost for 22k w/ a couple incentives

[safe birch]

with the money I pay just for tax I could get myself a used dream car

[indigo coral]

What is your dream car?

[stoic ledge]

Cheap af

Wait, I'll configure one too

EcoBoost or V8?

[safe birch]

Audi RS5 but that one is not automatic

@stoic ledge GT

[stoic ledge]

GT Coupe with all options?

[safe birch]

I picked a 5

few

[stoic ledge]

Yes a see, I'll pick the same

[safe birch]

5k were for options

which is okay ig

[stoic ledge]

My German is good enough

[indigo coral]

80k usd gets you a GT500

LOL

[safe birch]

yeah a normal GT here costs more than a GT500 in the US

[civic spoke]

And here I would be happy with the Fiesta ST

[safe birch]

https://www.autoscout24.at/angebote/fiat-panda-0-9-twinair-turbo-benzin-rot-9731eb02-b561-4c97-86c9-0af5de10f88f?cldtidx=3

they shitting on me

850HP on a Panda

[dense shard]

GT500

[stoic ledge]

👀

[dense shard]

A car heavier than an old land barge.

[stoic ledge]

Our GT Mustang is different than the Austrian, so I just picked the same color + seats

€114k

[safe birch]

https://www.autoscout24.at/angebote/mercedes-benz-cls-55-amg-aut-benzin-schwarz-57433592-dc6e-cc7e-e053-e250040ab8b3?cldtidx=3

but yeah I could get this car for the money I'd pay just for taxes when getting a brand new Mustang GT

[stoic ledge]

Too bad Ford doesn't list the tax seperate on their website

But it's a lot

[safe birch]

https://www.autoscout24.at/angebote/bmw-m5-f10-competition-benzin-weiss-5ce31997-ff70-5b68-e053-e250040abf90?cldtidx=5

or I could get this M5 for the money of a mustang without the tax

The M5 Kills the GT

and also there's room for family

and more luxuries

[stoic ledge]

Ok so in their price list, a base GT is €38.500. With, it's €111.005.

Great deal

[safe birch]

okay I have a deal

https://www.autoscout24.at/angebote/bentley-continental-gt-benzin-schwarz-bd0adf86-9517-4b98-94e3-9b362d8eb957?cldtidx=15

get this bentley for 5k more but no taxes

[stoic ledge]

It just looks like it belongs to a Russian mob

[safe birch]

doesn't matter

This car might look like it's driven by 60 year old lawyers

but hell if you arrive in a bentley then you know you got shit

[indigo coral]

lol

fair enough

[safe birch]

and nobody will realize you paid less than for a mustang

[stoic ledge]

It's cheaper than a Golf GTI

Lol

[safe birch]

But Since a bentley is still not for everyone

https://www.autoscout24.at/angebote/nissan-silvia-spec-r-rb26-n1-nismo-650hp-benzin-blau-3ac2d6c8-c04b-4050-bddd-4b04c7f6bb05?cldtidx=5

[fair bronze]

I hope you realise how much maintenance costs on those

[safe birch]

how about this?

650HP Silvia S15

getting the Tokyo Drift Vibes

I love how this car looks

apparently the papers for this car have been signed by Daigo Saito

[safe birch]

@fair bronze Maintenance cost is high for all of them

[fair bronze]

Especially the Bentley though

[safe birch]

ofc

still 30k cheaper

so probably more car for the price

and I am not gonna pay 30k after a year for maintenance will I?

[fair bronze]

It's a possibility

[dense shard]

And back.

Remember, don't drink and drive.

But drinking or driving is fine.

[safe birch]

Unless you drink alcohol

then it's not fine under any circumstance

[dense shard]

how so?

Not like i'm driving anywhere today. I'm done. Time to unwind.

[normal temple]

I can be the designated driver

Issa fine

[safe birch]

@dense shard no i mean drinking in General

[dense shard]

I'm not sure I follow.

After a long day of doing nothing, I enjoy a nice alcoholic beverage.

[bold inlet]

Jajajaja

Es funny cuz it’s true

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB0giRnqQDY

Almost a year later... Mazda releases the CX-30, but no Skyactiv X

[indigo coral]

SkyactivX isn't coming to US is it?

[dense shard]

Not at this rate.

Mazda needs to try harder.

we're using a twist beam because it weighs less and is easier to tune

The new 3 weighs more, and handles worse than a car with a competent suspension setup.

[dense shard]

clean 2 door

nice

[normal temple]

Thaaaanks

[odd basin]

Anyone got the Cybertruck

[jagged wagon]

It's not in production yet....

[eager kite]

hundreds of thousands have preordered though

won't be produced for 2 years

[tight cypress]

hmm

saw an e30 today

figured out who it was

damn it looked sick

[fair bronze]

They do look cool yes

[stoic ledge]

Oof the German safety and testing institute TÜV declared the Cybertruck won't meet the European safety standards

[fair bronze]

No way! I totally didn't predict that!

[eager kite]

Weird considering they couldn't have any technical info on it.

[stoic ledge]

don't blame the messenger

[eager kite]

Yea, I'm just saying that I wouldn't give it any credibility because it's just guesswork on their part

[warm sparrow]

🤔

considering the shape of this thing, it's very likely that it won't meet the European safety standards

I don't even know how it does for USA

considering that they put ugly bumper even on chiron s

it makes no sense

if it was made in europe it wouldn't pass usa safety standards

[eager kite]

there's no regulations that say "If it has corners on it, it's not ok"

they are guessing that it won't pass the safety requirements for pedestrian safety

[warm sparrow]

i'm talking about bumpers and the capacity of the car to absorb shocks instead of just destroying the car it ran into

[eager kite]

yea, again, all guesswork

[stoic ledge]

 According to TÜV's Stefan Teller, "major changes to the basic structure" must be made before the car can receive European approval, he told the German Automobilwoche.  ,, The basic concept of this Tesla contradicts the common European safety philosophy.  The occupants feel safe, but they are not, "says Teller.

 There are major differences between the US and Europe when it comes to vehicle type approval.  In the US, car manufacturers have the option to certify the technical inspection of their vehicles themselves.  In Western Europe, a type approval procedure is in force, involving manufacturers and authorities (such as independent technical services such as the TÜV).  Vehicles must therefore comply with 50 to 60 regulations.```

Translated by our friend Google, since I'm too lazy

[warm sparrow]

of course guesswork but it seems pretty obvious

[eager kite]

It seems obv if you assume a simplistic design with no engineering effort put into it

the whole upset is about if the car will absorb impacts

and obv it will, but we don't know how, and how much energy it will absorb.

So, anyone making claims about its performance is just shooting the shit.

[dry fern]

Infinity black s

[indigo coral]

Nice looking but infiniti makes really bad cars

Outdated tech and engines, overpriced, etc.

[dry fern]

Oh

[indigo coral]

If they modernized their stuff it would be much more palatable, but as of now they're just too damn old

Like the 370z

Or Model S

[warm sparrow]

the 370z is still on sale?

it's a pretty old car now

I love it but didn't know they still sell it

[indigo coral]

yeah it's still on sale afaik

At least there's new ones on dealer lots still

Yep it's still being produced

been out since 2009

[warm sparrow]

but I think it's still pretty good even nowadays

it doesn't look old really

of course a real new version may be nice though

[dense shard]

It's aging. It remains relevant thanks to being a leader in a field of one.

At this point the car is paid off, and I imagine every unit produced is profit.

[civic girder]

Nissan's entire lineup (including Infiniti) are outdated and ancient. I mean, they still haven't fixed the problems with their CVT, and all their cars look the same as they did 10 years ago (sometimes even older than 10) with only a few models getting minor facelifts over the years. There's basically no real reason to buy a Nissan or Infiniti these days

The Nissan Titan has not changed since it was introduced in 2005

And, tbh, the 350 and 370 aren't really that great. They're just kinda background noise compared to the WRX, BRZ/86, and MX-5. Sure they're quick and have decent looks, but the transmissions shift terribly, and they don't have a lot of charm. I've never heard anyone say "I'm thinking about getting a 370z." I always hear "I'm thinking about getting a BRZ"

If you want a Nissan that doesn't suck, start looking online for anything early 90s or older, or better yet, get a Datsun

[stoic ledge]

Bwah 370Z is/was quite good, it's just too old now. And their manuals aren't bad

[indigo coral]

370Z looks nice but is a terrible value

[dense shard]

The Titan now is new.

Kicks is brand new.

Rogue Sport is semi-new... The Altima is also brand new.

Nissan is slowly updating their lineup.

New Rogue is due next year.

Infiniti tho needs to die.

oh also Sentra and Versa are both all new for 2019/2020

[stoic ledge]

The "all new" Versa is basically a Micra sedan we've been getting since 16/17 in Europe

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/2017_Nissan_Micra_N-Connecta_IG-T_900cc_Front_(1).jpg/1280px-2017_Nissan_Micra_N-Connecta_IG-T_900cc_Front_(1).jpg

[tight cypress]

sexy

[stoic ledge]

Tbh it doesn't look too shabby

Underneath it's basically a Clio IV which debuted in 2013

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Renault_Clio_TCe_90_Luxe_(IV)_–_Frontansicht%2C_17._Mai_2013%2C_Münster.jpg/1280px-Renault_Clio_TCe_90_Luxe_(IV)_–_Frontansicht%2C_17._Mai_2013%2C_Münster.jpg

2012 apparently

Didn't Nissan also just released a brand new Puke Juke?

Ah only for Europe apparently

[dense shard]

I'll take fresh cars over rehashed irrelevance out of Ford.

Sure the new Versa is running on an older platform, but at least it's a new car which relevant features.

If only Nissan could nail down the CVT durability issues.

[fair bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AO85nuKZhQ

^ That's the Micra btw

It's a Nissan

[indigo coral]

@stoic ledge the Kicks replaced the Juke over here. Same car, just restyled.

[dense shard]

Different engine

[dense shard]

Actually my understanding is it's overall a vastly better car.

Good on gas, good on features, and has a weird dual injector system.

It's two injectors, port injection.

[analog jungle]

Nice

[unreal terrace]

@stoic ledge Can I call my car a "Fiat Grande Punto XT” now?

[stoic ledge]

No it's a Punto Evo v0.5 now: evolution from a Grande Punto but not quite like a Punto Evo

[unreal terrace]

😎

[stoic ledge]

[unreal terrace]

That dent means it's faster, don't the same logic apply to Grande Puntos? 🤔

[twin socket]

The first picture I saw of that GPU I thought someone dropped it and that the dent was not intentional

[stoic ledge]

Oof yes

[jagged coyote]

why is there a gpu in a car related channel

[stoic ledge]

His Punto: new dent
5700 XT: sent in cooler
--> Grande Punto XT

[normal temple]

Yep

[dense shard]

It's a good thing cars don't need heatsink upgrades.

[tribal mantle]

Not yet

[dense shard]

Not ever.

Modern cars are pretty good on heat management unless you drive it on a track... then some cars might not like that.

[normal temple]

I have to upgrade my radiator someday

🤔

[indigo coral]

It's beneficial to install an aftermarket trans cooler on mine

I've not done that yet

[dense shard]

A lot of cars really don't like aftermarket rads.

I forgot what magazine/blog/person did it, but ended up going back to a stock radiator on their Miata due to heat issues. Doesn't help new car temp gauges are just for show.

[indigo coral]

They are?

shit

[normal temple]

@dense shard My car benefits from it as the core is tiny and its only a single pass

I would get a Z3m rad that's like 2x the thickness and a triple pass

[stoic ledge]

It only helps if you overclock your engine

From 6500 to 8000rpm for example

[normal temple]

Try 11000

Full initial d spec

[stoic ledge]

Only the best performing engines can be overclocked to 11000

Most aren't so lucky, and manufacturers ask a premium for those engines

[normal temple]

lmao

[dense shard]

Staying within OEM specs is usually best.

So yeah, a rad from within a product stack should work. Unless you are doing serious track work... in which case you'll spend time tuning each part for best performance... or so my understanding goes.

[indigo coral]

So I've been dicking over my engine lifespan if the temp gauge is just for show, since I usually let it warm up to the first tick mark before driving it. If that's a lie then I'm still driving it cold

[normal temple]

Driving slowly is better than letting it idle

[dense shard]

^

I just let it ideal a bit before setting off.

Oh first tick mark ought to be fine.

Trick is to NOT heat the car up by idling. It's not good for the engine. Tends to run rich and that means gas is spraying down the oil in the cylinder walls.

Just drive gently for the first few minutes.

[normal temple]

The whole idle to let it warm up thing is only applicable to carburated cars tbh

I just drive below 2k rpm and I'm good

[dense shard]

I'm actually kind of amazed how fast my 'rolla heats up.

My Suzuki would take ages to warm up. I'd actually just leave it idling in front of the store when I got breakfast.

[normal temple]

Mine fully heats up after driving in 15 minutes LMAO

[dense shard]

It was warm enough at that point, but no reason to kill the temps again.

Ran like a tractor when it got cold enough. 3 cylinders was not a great sound in sub zero temps.

[normal temple]

Yikes

[dense shard]

lol

Old Suzuki design that was made to be cheap, durable, and reliable. Not smooth and happy sounding.

Still sounded better than most Daihatsus I came across.

The 'rolla tho. She's up to temps within a few minutes of driving. I guess all that fancy tech does work. heh

[normal temple]

Not bad

[dense shard]

I wonder what the next 20 years will bring us.

[normal temple]

https://youtu.be/lE4ClNBeo5A

Bored

[dense shard]

I need to edit more videos for 2020.

[normal temple]

https://youtu.be/2caru2QQqKw my cold starts are a meme

[indigo coral]

mines fully warm by the time I get down the road 👀

literally like 3 minutes

after I let it warm up for like 2 mins

[civic girder]

all you piston bois

I sit there for like 10-15 minutes (depending on ambient) while I wait for it to hold idle speed, then it's warmed up by the time I leave my neighborhood

or in the Prius, it never warms up because defrost and heat in that car are a meme

1.4L hardly puts out anything

[dense shard]

I'm driving within 30 seconds usually.

Suzuki I'd wait a minute.

[civic girder]

Prius I'm off as soon as my music and/or google maps are going and I'm strapped in and ready to go. Usually within 30-sec to a minute, depending on how slow maps or spotify is being

RX-7 I'll be lucky to leave within 10 minutes, and even then I'll be short shifting to keep rpms low for a fair bit, and it likely won't fully hold idle yet

rotary/carburetor life

[indigo coral]

wtf

there's a 92 SC300 on cargurus near me for 550

claiming to run and drive and clean title

has 2jz

?????

[dense shard]

sure

The SC300 had a 2JZ variant.

Inline 6 at any rate.

[indigo coral]

ok that seems suspiciously cheap though

its the auto, but still

[dense shard]

Probably because it's falling apart.

It's pushing 30 years old.

Probably been driven like a Supra. lol

[indigo coral]

i bet the engine is worth more than that though

[normal temple]

issa 2JZ-GE

[indigo coral]

it looks a little beat in pictures but not as bad as you'd thnk

[dense shard]

There's a reason it's 550 dollars.

[normal temple]

swap the rods and pistons to the GTE model and swap on turbos, then you have a 2JZ-GTE basically 🤔

[indigo coral]

ass end of thingshas had some work

trunk/bumper don't match

[civic girder]

probably got rear ended

I'd run a VIN check before you believe it's a clean title

[dense shard]

Could still be clean.

Sketch repair jobs don't always show up I'd imagine.

Especially if not done as insurance work.

Man Toyota missing out on accessories for the Corolla.

[civic girder]

The only way it could be in an accident and still show up clean is if it was never reported to the police

other reason for mismatched colors would be rust or other damage, such as irreparable dents from a basketball slamming on it or something

[dense shard]

Not reporting to the police happens.

Especially if the guy was pretending to be Takumi on Akina, but instead of drifting he managed to Shaq free throw his car into a guardrail.

[fathom socket]

http://prntscr.com/qbclvt

[dense shard]

That's amusing.

[eager kite]

https://ww.electrek.co/2019/12/15/tesla-cybertruck-for-33000-congress-is-looking-at-renewing-ev-tax-credit/

[dense shard]

https://carbuzz.com/news/dodge-finally-retiring-journeys-oldest-feature Pour one out for the 4 speed.

A transmission that's been in use for longer than I've been alive. Also implies new Journey in 2021.

[prisma oasis]

So a new car for hackers to remotely shut down

[eager kite]

Can't wait for cybertruck and have the ability to drive NY to Chicago only stopping once to fill up 👌

[dense shard]

Rumors are the new Journey will be based on the Alfa Romeo Guilia/Steve-O

Or however you spell it.

[stoic ledge]

I can drive 800 miles without filling up once 🙃

Stelvio^^

[eager kite]

and pay 3x more

[dense shard]

Curse you and your second gas tank.

Stelvio... okay I might remember that.

[stoic ledge]

Well it's Europe, so that's too be expected

[dense shard]

I was thinking Steve, not Stel.

[eager kite]

oh

if it's europe then it's like 7x

[stoic ledge]

Fuel is made of gold here

Stelvio, the mountain road

[prisma oasis]

My avalon hybrid can do that journey easily

[dense shard]

ohhhhhhhhh

oh snap

[stoic ledge]

[dense shard]

I was wondering what the hell the name is based on.

And the Guilia?

[indigo coral]

Mine barely gets 350 on a tank 😢

And thats strictly highway

[dense shard]

Giulia*

[indigo coral]

I get like 225 in town

[stoic ledge]

Giulia is something historic, can't remember exactly what

[eager kite]

damn

[dense shard]

I haven't tried.

~500 miles if I'm careful and reckless?

'rolla gas tanks aren't massive.

[stoic ledge]

The name Giulia is a girl's name of Italian origin meaning "youthful".

[eager kite]

my family has a 2002 4runner, and man does that thing burn gas

[indigo coral]

My tank is big but I get shit fuel economy

[eager kite]

especially when towing

[indigo coral]

17-18mpg usually

17.2 gal tank

[dense shard]

35-42-ish depending on terrain and weather.

[eager kite]

4runner gets 18 on a good day, 15 on a bad day. Towing gets between 9 and 7 mph, 22gal tank iirc

[indigo coral]

Mom's car gets 15-16

😂😂😂

[stoic ledge]

My parents car gets better mileage than my Corsa

[indigo coral]

I suppose thays why I'm not offended about the 300 mile Tesla's

[dense shard]

Got 35 in my parents Nissan Rogue.

[indigo coral]

My dad and I took his car on a solid highway drive

And got 25!

[dense shard]

as rated

[indigo coral]

(somehow)

Yeah I know but it's usually impossible to hit the EPA numbers

[dense shard]

New EPA is far more realistic.

Actually hit the numbers, or surpass em by a bit.

[indigo coral]

I've never hit the EPA 19mpg in city driving for my car

I got 16 in real city (big city center type) driving

Have beat the highway one though, got 24 once

[eager kite]

towing with the cybertruck (long range obv) is going to be great in terms of money saved. Going like 300 miles while towing boat costs over $100 for me. With the cybertruck it will be like $30

[dense shard]

Hit 42 in my Corolla.

I matched the automatic SE models.

[night current]

[indigo coral]

Nice

[dense shard]

Manuals aren't as good on the highway anymore.

[stoic ledge]

1. start off in 6th gear
2. leave it there

Max efficiency

(/s)

[dense shard]

lol

[indigo coral]

When we did a long drive in my mom's explorer, we averages 23 which ain't bad

[dense shard]

With a diesel, sure.

[indigo coral]

A friend of mine told me he always starts in 5th in his 01 Corolla

[dense shard]

My car doesn't like being lugged. Especially in double overdrive 6th. heh

[indigo coral]

Literally can't do that

[stoic ledge]

Whot starting in 5th? That's nearly impossible

[dense shard]

You can... if you don't value your clutch.

[indigo coral]

they're just full of shit

[dense shard]

I can smell the burnt clutch just thinking about it.

It's not a good smell.

[stoic ledge]

Not saying that it's impossible, but... You have to feather the clutch so easy it takes forever to get Rollin

[indigo coral]

They think higher gears make their cars faster

So....

Not car people

[dense shard]

You'll burn the clutch.

[stoic ledge]

And you burn your clutch immediately

[dense shard]

You can, but at a heavy cost.

[stoic ledge]

Do the akso think the R is for racing?

[indigo coral]

Having an automatic seems a hell of a lot easier tbh

Obviously

And P is for pass

[dense shard]

nooooo

[indigo coral]

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Imagine a auto which is harder to shift than a manual xD

That would be one terrible auto

[indigo coral]

wot

[stoic ledge]

Having an automatic seems a hell of a lot easier tbh

[indigo coral]

I might be getting a newer RX

(the 2007 RX 350)

[stoic ledge]

Lol typo #brainfart

Oof yes buy it

Or a 450h

[indigo coral]

not buying it

Lol

[carmine summit]

speaking of starting in high gears, you ever just forget to downshift to first because clutch then take off in second without noticing?

[indigo coral]

He's getting to old to drive so it might become my car, idk. I'm in no hurry, I like my '99

The 2007 is actually decently quick though

Has some zoom

Steering is absolutely dreadful tho.

[stoic ledge]

speaking of starting in high gears, you ever just forget to downshift to first because clutch then take off in second without noticing?

Only in situations where people do something stupid, I have to react/brake and then forget I'm in second (not that it happens a lot, but it has happened before)

Steering on the 07 is worse than the 99?

[indigo coral]

oh very much so, it's so light and overassisted on the newer one

[dense shard]

I've always started out in first I think.

Don't remember starting out in second by accident.

[indigo coral]

Mines actually decently heavy and you can feel some of the road/wtf is going on

Not the most accurate but plenty good enough

[dense shard]

Third when my hand slips...

[indigo coral]

can drive with 1 finger on the 07

The gas pedal is touchy on it too

Much more power (and useable power) so it's more pleasant to drive in that regard

The 07 is a lot more refined and insulated

[stoic ledge]

Third only once, when I backed off the driveway and then pushed it into 3rd instead of 1st xD

And not really started in second, but rolling at such low speed because you had to brake for some fool and then forgetting it xD

Too much power steering is meh, don't like it

Needs to have some weight imho

[indigo coral]

I don't either, would be something to get used to

If I end up driving that

[stoic ledge]

Definitely

[indigo coral]

Only has 42k miles tho

Not bad for an 07

[stoic ledge]

Does fit the character of the car tho

Oof damn that's nothing

[indigo coral]

pulls power steering fuse

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Lol

falcon welcomes all the warning lights on the dashboard

[indigo coral]

Lol

My current RX has no warning lights

That's what the newer one looks like

[normal temple]

Big

[indigo coral]

Yes

My current one is smol

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I'm familiar with the Lexus design xD

This one does have the steeringwheel on the wrong side of the car

🙃

[normal temple]

I'm almost too fat for my seat

S a d

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[fossil imp]

thicc

[indigo coral]

Wot happened?

[normal temple]

Me being big

[fossil imp]

he ate too many pies?

[normal temple]

Did I

175 lbs 6'

That's normal

😂

[indigo coral]

mood

[fossil imp]

get a wider seat then 😉

[normal temple]

Recaros are in the works
stares at my empty wallet

[fossil imp]

but no must have "buckets" coz racecar

[stoic ledge]

Just remove the seat 😉

[normal temple]

I wanna floor mount the seat lol

I hit my head and hit my knee on the wheel

[fossil imp]

lol u definitely need to test some seats

[normal temple]

Maybe

[fossil imp]

OR

knock up some rails n find a friendly welder, then any seat will fit

[night current]

New s2000 announced

[normal temple]

Issa prototype

[stoic ledge]

It's an old S2000 with a bodykit imho xD

[dense shard]

I find that hard to believe.

That doesn't fit Honda's design language at all. Unless it's a test mule.

[indigo coral]

^

[normal temple]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/a30242347/honda-s2000-20th-anniversary-prototype-teaser/

Its r e a l

[dense shard]

And it isn't new.

[fossil imp]

prototype!

[dense shard]

It's a bodykit on a Gen 1 S2k.

[indigo coral]

It's the old version

Ye

[dense shard]

looks good tho

[fossil imp]

unlikely it will go for sale

[dense shard]

The body kit will.

The car won't.

[indigo coral]

They should, but they won't

The era of cool cars from unexpected manufacturers is long over

[fossil imp]

yep

[dense shard]

now now

The Corolla hatchback is cool, and no one expected that.

[fossil imp]

if they bring it out it would need at least 400 brake to compete with the current crop of sports cars anyway

[dense shard]

nah

[fossil imp]

yah

[dense shard]

240 is plenty.

It would compete against the Miata.

[fossil imp]

no its not in that segment

[indigo coral]

The new Supra is bad and fake, Lexus won't make a new LFA (and I'd they did they'd screw it up), etc etc. They're not going to risk a brand failure anymore.

[fossil imp]

which its targeted for

[dense shard]

If the S2K isn't aimed at the Miata segment, it's already a failure.

[fossil imp]

it would be competing with Z4, supra and alike which are all 350bhp

[dense shard]

ugh

skip

I'm not paying 60k for a Honda.

[indigo coral]

Would be a hell of a lot more than 60k

[dense shard]

I want a cheap small 2 door.

The S2K was the ultimate Miata alt.

[stoic ledge]

It's an old S2000 with a bodykit imho xD
It turns out I was right xD
It's a bodykit on a Gen 1 S2k.

[dense shard]

The Gen 1 was the best.

9k redline was awesome.

[indigo coral]

The Supra is a knockoff BMW with minimal development costs, and it's still 60k. A custom developed car would be FAR more expensive

[fossil imp]

vtec yo

[dense shard]

It would be turbo in this day and age.

[stoic ledge]

I'd say the S2k it between a Miata and a Supra tbh

[dense shard]

A 4 banger most likely.

Meaning any personality the car would have would be absent.

it has a 4 cylinder 2 liter turbo just like everyone else!

[fossil imp]

s2k is way above a fucking miata

[indigo coral]

The FRS/BRZ is good but hilariously underpowered unfortunately

Miata is doing poorly at best

[fossil imp]

it was kinda special in its day

[dense shard]

It WAS.

[stoic ledge]

The Supra isn't really a BMW knock-off imho, drive them back to back and you'll realize the Supra is the better BMW

[dense shard]

But now the Miata is the last man standing.

[fossil imp]

yea the supra is much better than a z4

[dense shard]

BRZ if we include hardtops.

[indigo coral]

BRZ should have another 80hp

[dense shard]

Who would Honda pair with to spread the cost of development?

[fossil imp]

nobody

[stoic ledge]

BMW

[dense shard]

BMW is tied up with Toyota.

[indigo coral]

and have it break down every week

[stoic ledge]

Stttt xD

[dense shard]

And I doubt BMW is looking to build another small cheap car.

[indigo coral]

The Supra is going to be a reliability nightmare

[stoic ledge]

BMW Supra2000

[dense shard]

who knows

Toyota approved the BMW engines.

Even if they did tune it differently.

[fossil imp]

lol

[stoic ledge]

The 3.0 TT is quite decent from the start

[dense shard]

I trust Toyota.

[fossil imp]

ecclestones daughter got robbed

[indigo coral]

Still a BMW engine.

[dense shard]

And BMW says they've been working on actually focusing on reliability.

[indigo coral]

They've never once made a reliable car

[fossil imp]

58mil in jewellery

[dense shard]

nah the E36 was decent.

It had quirks, but I wouldn't call it unreliable.

[indigo coral]

Nowhere remotely as solid as Toyota cars though

[dense shard]

oh sure

[fair bronze]

BMW also says the new 1-Series is a great driving machine

[fossil imp]

corolla lools

[stoic ledge]

Old Toyota's were also dreadful cars with 0 fun factor

[indigo coral]

I don't trust BMW at all when it comes to reliability

[dense shard]

BMW would be remiss in saying anything else about their own products.

[indigo coral]

They made the E60 M5 and signed off on it

[dense shard]

our cars are shit, yes it's true

[stoic ledge]

Old BMW's were fun

[indigo coral]

Old Toyotas live forever

(eg my Rx)

[dense shard]

Anyway. Rumor mills point to new BMW designs actually having reliability as a priority.

Let's be honest. BMW can't go much further on power and performance.

They've peaked.

[stoic ledge]

They live forever, but the don't make you feel like you're alive 😉

[dense shard]

I think they've realized it.

[stoic ledge]

BMW is downsizing now :/

[dense shard]

Toyota has peaked on reliability, and are now working on fun.

Trick is to not fuck over their previous reps.

ahem... HONDA

[indigo coral]

It's unfortunate that Toyota is going to wreck their track record like Honda did

[dense shard]

I don't think so.

[stoic ledge]

Toyota reliability + BMW fun = best combo ever

[normal temple]

To be fair, the S85 is a race engine effectively. Proper maintenance and care is required that most owners don't give as they REV THE TITS off it from cold start

[indigo coral]

If they chase big power and fun they're not going to be reliable

[dense shard]

For now Toyota's product stack is mostly staid, with a few gems.

Oh they're not chasing power.

Believe me.

[indigo coral]

It's impossible to have both

[dense shard]

They put a suspension kit on a Camry and called it a day.

Okay and exhaust, brakes, and other tuning things.

[stoic ledge]

Toyota GR appears to be making a 3 door AWD 1.5 Turbo Yaris I've heard... That would be fun

[normal temple]

Also BMW's B58 found in 340i's, Z4 M40i's, and the new supra is proven to be reliable at 600 hp and it still has more in it

[dense shard]

Right now we have a bunch of new designs from everyone.

[indigo coral]

The GS F for example is powerful but nowhere near as reliable as an RX or something for example

[dense shard]

Come back to me in 5 years on Toyota and BMW.

Maybe the B58 will be a solid stock engine good for a million miles.

Perhaps the M20 will be even better than previously.

Whatever it is. Toyota has hedged their bets on the new Corolla by keeping the 1.8 from last gen in most of the sedans.

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/JmaAsE6bq48

[dense shard]

Maybe we'll get the new 2.0 in all trims by the mid cycle refresh.

[normal temple]

Spoooooky

[dense shard]

we can dream... just not in the US

[stoic ledge]

Imagine having a Corolla with a 1.2 Turbo

[fair bronze]

I drove that and it wasn't bad at all

[stoic ledge]

Yeah could be haha, no idea xD

Not sure if those are as reliable as the old 1.8 VVTI's and what not

[fair bronze]

I wouldn't really be worried about that if you service it correctly

[stoic ledge]

True

But good cars don't need maintenance ~ some people

[fair bronze]

Yeah no lol

[dense shard]

Good cars don't need to be fixed.

Just maintained.

[stoic ledge]

Yes but maintaince == fixing according to some

I know, those are i*iots

[fair bronze]

Some people have no clue

[stoic ledge]

But I've heard people say stuff like that

[dense shard]

We'll see how the new Corolla fares. I have electric water pump, electronically controlled thermostat, electronically actuated intake valve lift...timing?

But at least Toyota put dual injectors in, oil jets for the pistons, and all that other good jazz.

[stoic ledge]

I also have dual injectors... 1 LPG + 1 gas

xD

[dense shard]

pfffft

In my case I should be able to avoid the carbon build up on the intake valves.

[fair bronze]

Inject both for extra power

[dense shard]

That wasn't a maintenance procedure I was looking forward to.

[stoic ledge]

Opel's 1.2 is also reliable as fck tho, the base block is still the same cast iron block used in the 90's since they wouldn't die xD

Over the years, they updated the head to, added variable valve timing etc

[dense shard]

nice

[fair bronze]

Some engines are way older than they seem

[dense shard]

yep

The old Suzuki K6A started life in the early 90s.

Still made today in some applications.

[normal temple]

Inject diesel, gas, and LPG into the engine at the same time

3x the power

[dense shard]

Don't give Mazda new ideas.

[stoic ledge]

Ok I checked, the base of my engine originated from 1996

[normal temple]

Wait

[indigo coral]

yikes

[normal temple]

Inject diesel, gas, LPG, water, and methanol at the same time

5x the power

[dense shard]

Happily my engine is a brand new design. I wanted to be on the cutting edge for once.

I got my dream.

[indigo coral]

nonwonderitsshit, mk

[normal temple]

LUL

[fair bronze]

DICK

I love our language

[stoic ledge]

Only the  a light-weight cast-iron semi-closed deck engine block stayed the same xD

[normal temple]

I installed the air filter

[fair bronze]

No cover for extra performance

[normal temple]

It picked up at least 0.5 whp

[dense shard]

Cast iron is old school, but relevant school.

[stoic ledge]

@indigo coral the ELR you mentioned earlier today is basically the same engine as the 1996 base block in my car xD

[indigo coral]

it ain't fast either

[stoic ledge]

[dense shard]

eh, sure not fast, but it's not exactly a performance car.

[stoic ledge]

It's a bloody reliable engine tough

[fair bronze]

ew no

[stoic ledge]

Yikes

[normal temple]

Issa racecar

Look at the wing

[fair bronze]

HOONIGAN

[stoic ledge]

I don't want to

[normal temple]

Lmao

It was a CVT too, so peak performance

[stoic ledge]

Well full power at all time

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

So basically, yes that's true

[normal temple]

lmao

[fair bronze]

Don't you just love Dutch technology

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/S7ipFApsFec

They resulted in these amazing races

So yes

[fair bronze]

Why did I also think of that lmao

[stoic ledge]

Daf CVT == same speed forward as backwards

[fair bronze]

It's like our government basically

[stoic ledge]

Looooooooooool

So true

cries

[normal temple]

P A R T O U T?

[fair bronze]

That red Subie though

[normal temple]

The front is destroyed

[fair bronze]

Shame

[normal temple]

Both of those are subbies lol

[fair bronze]

I saw by the black front bumper

[normal temple]

lol

[fair bronze]

Such a waste

[normal temple]

SNAIL WITH WEIGHT REDUCED PISTONS

[stoic ledge]

I haven't seen a WRX ever

[carmine summit]

how

they're everywhere over here

I would think they would be common all over the world because it's a WRX

[dense shard]

It's MK... knowing his area they're probably in the 100k range.

And they're already a questionable value at their current cost as it stands.

Shares an engine with the STi in Europe I believe, so there's even less incentive to even try.

[stoic ledge]

If it was still available here, it would start at €97k

108k USD

[night current]

Jeez

[stoic ledge]

STi is also discontinued I believe

Not sure

Subaru delivered 381 cars so far this year here lol

[fair bronze]

Subaru is pretty irrelevant here

Only elderly people buy them

[stoic ledge]

^ yeah

Although their cars aren't bad 🙃

Something like a Forester would be perfect for my parents xD

[fair bronze]

I actually like their cars too

They're just overly expensive here

[stoic ledge]

It's not that bad, but nobody wants a CVT xD

Their base equipment is pretty good tho

[fair bronze]

Also

[stoic ledge]

Yes I believe there was also one costing €125k, or it must have been sold

[fair bronze]

That's just insane

[stoic ledge]

Yes, welcome to 🇳🇱

[fair bronze]

I only see another one for €109.950,-

[stoic ledge]

Yup I see it xD

[fair bronze]

They're awesome cars but they should be something like €50k-60k

No more than that

[stoic ledge]

60k would be around Focus RS/Golf R money, yes

[dense shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAyQWHqjXnY Apparently new Sentra is better.

[fair bronze]

But is it as good as a Camry?

[dense shard]

Probably as good as a base Corolla.

I'm looking forward to see what Honda does next for the Civic.

[fair bronze]

What does that even mean

[dense shard]

It means it's an excellent commuter car, and Honda's offering in the segment is getting old.

Personally I think the higher trim Corolla with the 2.0 is gonna be better than the new Sentra.

No manual kinda kills it for me... but I'm not that surprised.

[fair bronze]

I don't consider trim, just the car itself

[dense shard]

The car on its own is vastly better than before.

[fair bronze]

It's a good looking car

[dense shard]

Both Toyota and Nissan have stepped it up this generation.

Time for Honda to do the same. Cause power isn't everything.

[stoic ledge]

Oof that just sounds like a car dealer when trading in: "it's about the car itself not the trim"
When selling the car: "oh yeah it's worth way more because it's the top trim"

xD

[fair bronze]

That's when you decide what value it has though

[dense shard]

Good luck convincing other people.

[fair bronze]

I think you don't get my point

[dense shard]

You can decide whatever you want.

[stoic ledge]

I do xD

[fathom socket]

[dense shard]

But when no one is buying your own decided value.

Reality become clear.

[fair bronze]

I can't because it's not available here

[dense shard]

Can't what?

[fair bronze]

Decide if it's a better car or not

Probably not but who am I

[stoic ledge]

JD

[dense shard]

You can decide on the metrics.

[fair bronze]

[dense shard]

And frankly the style alone is a huge step up.

[stoic ledge]

Metric > imperial

Those metrics? xD

Current Nissan styling is

[dense shard]

you're killing me

figuratively and almost literally

[stoic ledge]

But so is the new Corolla Hatch

[fair bronze]

We have the best conversations here

[dense shard]

Everyone stepping up.

Who knew that all it took was for the segment to start shrinking.

[stoic ledge]

GM should reintroduce the Saturn Astra
Oh wait

[dense shard]

They should have kept up with the Cruze.

I almost looked at a hatchback, but they stopped offering those in manual this year.

[stoic ledge]

Rip

[fair bronze]

Now you have a way better and nicer car

Thank you Chevy

[dense shard]

More reliable at the very least.

[stoic ledge]

What engine? 1.4/.5/.6T?

[dense shard]

I don't remember.

1.4 I think for the Cruze?

I'm quite happy with the 'rolla.

[fair bronze]

6.2

[dense shard]

It's just... nice.

[stoic ledge]

Could very well be the 1.4T

[fair bronze]

Knowing the US I'd say 1.6T

[stoic ledge]

Autoblog.com says 1.4T

The 150hp one like in the Astra K

[fair bronze]

Okay it's a 1.4T

[stoic ledge]

Cheap af

[fair bronze]

It even looks like a last-gen Astra

[stoic ledge]

Kinda

[dense shard]

It looks alright.

[stoic ledge]

It's on the same platform apparently, but otherwise it's quite different

[dense shard]

I'm just sad GM did it.

I could have considered the diesel Cruze.

[stoic ledge]

Holden Astra Sedan is the Cruse Sedan, but the Holden Astra Hatch is the Opel Astra

Nice GM, nice

Cruze diesel has the 1.6 CDTI probably?

[dense shard]

1.8?

maybe even a 2.0

oh... it IS a 1.6T

But man the interior styling is... blah

[stoic ledge]

Yeah 1.8 diesel seemed very unlikely, GM didn't have a 1.8 in as long as I can remember

[fair bronze]

It's very GM

[stoic ledge]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/9f/9c/5c9f9cd311cd3a8c1231913cfa7028c1.jpg
The Opel sibling looks more upscale

[fair bronze]

That's because Opel designers aren't blind

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[stoic ledge]

Yeah Opel ftw

[fair bronze]

You can see they're basically the same car

Just a meh design in the Chevy

[stoic ledge]

Yeah you can

But that was the same with the Mokka/Encore and the Trax

[fair bronze]

But they changed even less on those

[stoic ledge]

https://cars.usnews.com/static/images/article/201804/127550/7_-_2018_Buick_Encore_640x420.jpg
https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/images/cars/chevrolet/trax/2015chevytraxvs2015buickencore/239925.jpg

[fair bronze]

The Buick is just the Opel with a different badge lol

[stoic ledge]

But the Cruze, Trax... We're GM Korea products... And that shows

[fair bronze]

The Trax looks like something from China

[stoic ledge]

Yeah normal brand Opel == luxury brand in the US

xD

[fair bronze]

lol

Buick is actually a very popular brand in China

[stoic ledge]

True

[fair bronze]

They sell more there than in the US

The Opel badge looks better though

[stoic ledge]

I agree

[fair bronze]

😁

[stoic ledge]

Astra is also sold as a Buick btw

Buick Verano hatchback

http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/buick-verano-hatchback-1.jpg

Although, that will probably end soon just like the Holden Astra hatch and Buick Regal/Holden Commodore

Too expensive because they have to pay Opel xD

[fair bronze]

Yeah true

[stoic ledge]

GM really shot themselves in the foot selling Opel xD Skimming down entire models on multiple brands

For a relatively low number too

[fair bronze]

Well GM can't maintain a brand like that anyway

[stoic ledge]

True

[fair bronze]

On one end I didn't like PSA buying Opel but on the other hand they're doing better than they've done in a long time

[stoic ledge]

Luckily PSA isn't like VAG selling the same car 4-5-6 times

PSA Opel's are genuinely different

[fair bronze]

Yes exactly

[stoic ledge]

• still developed in Russelsheim

• PSA turned Opel from a company losing money for 2 decades into a company resulting in 800k euros profit within one year

[fair bronze]

Mhm

And I like some of the cars they released too

I am against the current crossover trend but I do like the Grandland X

[stoic ledge]

And they bought the brand for 2.4 billion... So they already got 1/3rd of the investment back

Yeah Grandland X isn't bad, they also announced a less powerful PHEV now

Wouldn't be surprised if that would sell well

[fair bronze]

But then again, 300 hp in a Grandland

[stoic ledge]

Yeah

Only 4k more expensive than the 1.6T non-PHEV

The less-powerful PHEV is probably just as expensive as the 1.6T, or maybe even cheaper due to lower BPM

Great deal

[fair bronze]

Definitely

[stoic ledge]

Still going to buy the last GM Opel tho

Insignia B

[fair bronze]

You are?

Aha

[stoic ledge]

In 2 years probably, yes

[fair bronze]

Great choice

[stoic ledge]

I really love that car, both the way it looks and drives

[fair bronze]

I haven't driven it but it looks great

[stoic ledge]

I have, it's imho the best driving D-segment car you can get (non-premium)

[fair bronze]

Also btw, I have driven both the Grandland and 3008 which it's based on

[stoic ledge]

Grandland X is better handling + more comfortable, isn't it?

[fair bronze]

The Grandland is way nicer to drive, the suspension setup is a lot better and the steering wheel has the correct size

I like it way more

[stoic ledge]

Yeah and according to first impressions, it's the same with the new Corsa

[fair bronze]

I was at the launch of the new Corsa

Really nice

[stoic ledge]

Better suspension setup compared to the 208

Me being a tall dutchy can't fit properly

:/

[fair bronze]

Have you sat in it?

[stoic ledge]

That's why I need the Insignia xD

Yeah

[fair bronze]

Ah alright

I'm like just under 1.80 so I'm average for here

[stoic ledge]

My seat is pushed way back to get comfortable z but then the B-pillar blocks my view outside drastically which is actually dangerous

[fair bronze]

3-door ftw

[stoic ledge]

1.93

[fair bronze]

Wow

[stoic ledge]

^ 3-door indeed

[fair bronze]

Long boi

Too bad there are barely any new 3-door cars for sale anymore

[stoic ledge]

Nearly none... The Fiesta if you import it, but not in 🇳🇱 anymore

[fair bronze]

I get why most people get 5-door cars but the appeal though

[stoic ledge]

3 door is way nicer to look at, + more practical for me

But an Insignia works just fine xD Even my dad could sit behind me in that one (1.83)

[fair bronze]

I think you can compare it to a Skoda Superb

Plenty of leg room in the backseat

[stoic ledge]

Yeah maybe the Superb is even a bit more spacious, but there's not much in it

Superb drives like a mop tho xD

[fair bronze]

Haha

I like them both but the Insignia is way less common

Even though it's also supernice

[stoic ledge]

Looking at the sales numbers, it's nut that different iirc

[fair bronze]

Not that common where I live anyway

Have you seen many on the roads?

I know I haven't

[stoic ledge]

Sales this year

Superb/Insignia/Passat: basically the same

[fair bronze]

I see the current Passat everywhere

Insignia not so much

[stoic ledge]

Probably all older GTE's

[fair bronze]

Maybe

[stoic ledge]

Like 2015-2016

Here in the South, I do see other cars on the road than in the West tho

Tbh I nearly never see Passats here xD

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Yeah exactly lol

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We're more sensible people. We buy Opels. xD

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We're boring businessmen

We buy lease Golfs

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I'd never get one

Never

xD

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Me neither

Most boring thing ever

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Yup

I'd rather have a Dacia Sandero

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lol

I think that would be more fun to drive

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Tbh in Stepway trim, it's quite funky

Would cost you litteraly half the price

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Last year on holiday, I was picking up a rental car

I had the choice between a VW Golf and a Seat Leon

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Leon is the cheaper + better driving car. No brainer

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Even though it is technically the same thing

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VW Golf: expensive
A3: even more expensive
Leon: cheaper + more fun
Octavia: cheaper + bigger

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I really liked it

Even though it was pretty stock

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Spain rental cars

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It was a 1.6 TDI btw

Tenerife to be exact

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I was just about to ask, but my guts told me it was a 1.6 TDI xD

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On paper it sounds boring af but it was a lot of fun on those roads

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That still has a 5sp manual, doesn't it?

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Yes sir

The only extras were the metallic paint and touchscreen radio with Carplay

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You don't need more

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Not at all

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Would only make the car more expensive to rent

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This year I had a CLA 180d but the Leon was more fun to drive

Mostly because manual vs auto

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Ok well maybe parking sensors, although small damages are good for a rental company xD

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Haha

It's not a huge car so no problem

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CLA is ugly ^^

Yeah but don't forget: people can't drive (:

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It's not the best looking thing ever but I don't hate it

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I 100% dislike the rear

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But I was surprised how nice the 1.6 TDI with 110 hp was

Didn't feel slow at all to me

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Diesel torque

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Yes

I learned to drive in a Polo Bluemotion 1.2 TDI with 75 hp

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