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night current
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The Rivian looks like what a electric truck should look like.

indigo coral
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It's a shame Lucid Motors failed

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The Air looked sick

night current
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Isnt it also likes way more expensive than the Tesla though?

dense shard
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It offers 400 miles of range out the gate I believe.

indigo coral
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The lucid air was stunningly beautiful imo, but I'm in the minority

dense shard
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So it'll likely be price competitive to the equivalent range models.

night current
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Ohhh, that's a pretty good then.

dense shard
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Also they'll have access to the full tax credit.

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Something Tesla no longer has.

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A victim of their own success.

indigo coral
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Tesla loses the entire thing EOY dont they?

dense shard
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I think they already lost it last year?

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Dunno about all of it though.

indigo coral
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it's 1875 or sometbing rn

dense shard
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I just know the 7500 thing is done for.

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Victims of their own success.

indigo coral
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Once the credit is gone their sales are gonna tank

eager kite
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it starts to drop off once a manufacturer sells 200k EVs

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the credit has been dropping for the past year

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and their order backlog has been increasing....

indigo coral
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look at other countries that had a credit and got rid of it - sales were virtually eliminated

eager kite
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their us demand isn't wavering

unreal terrace
indigo coral
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LMAOO

eager kite
dense shard
fair bronze
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Since when is the i8 the most hated supercar?

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It's not even a supercar lol

night current
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i8 is pretty lame imo

fair bronze
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I kinda like it

indigo coral
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I like the is, but its hot a supercar, Its a sports cer/grandtourer

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i 8*

dense shard
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I think you can apply the definition. Exotic/supercar.

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And for what it was. Pretty damn cool. BMW actually tried something unique.

indigo coral
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its cool yes

tropic zodiac
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so I got off the phone with insurance, told them about what caliber said. They notated everything and got my story.

But they also told me caliber hasn't sent them any info or requested money for a new motor.

And that apparently caliber called my rental company to extend the rental and told them my car will be done on the 26th.

This isnt adding up... If there's severe engine damage why haven't you talked to the insurance? And how is my car gonna be done so quick?

unreal terrace
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There's just endless memes now

fair bronze
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I do see where Elon got his inspiration

night current
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LOL

lyric tulip
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I think the Tesla looks fine

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But to be honest I prefer Simone's Tesla truck

wheat hatch
fair bronze
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I really don't know what to think of it

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On one end I like that they're trying something completely different and unconventional

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On the other end I think it just looks ugly and unrealistic

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But it looks kinda cool

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I'm confused

stoic ledge
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The more I look at it... ||it's still ugly||

fair bronze
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Thing is, most people who buy an F150 won't buy the Tesla truck

stoic ledge
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Truck buyers are extremely brand loyal

fair bronze
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That and extremely conservative

stoic ledge
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That too

carmine summit
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not always

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I wouldn't consider myself conservative but I want a truck

restive hornet
night current
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I mean, it made a Toyota Tacoma driver want it, lol.

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I personally think it takes a different twist to trucks, and although it does look goofy, it looks kind of badass also.

slim trout
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Look!

waxen axle
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Beautiful

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Also

gloomy fjord
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Hello! Is there someone willing to help me answer a few questions about car head units?

unreal terrace
eager kite
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The truck is like airpods

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When they first came out everyone memed on them

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And a lot of people hated them

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And now they are pretty common and well accepted

vital glen
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@eager kite airpods are 160 dollars

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not 40k

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for most people in the world it isn't a life changing purchase

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you fuck up with car payments, you are screwed for a long time

eager kite
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Yea but that doesn't really matter to what I'm saying

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Because some people will buy it

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The market will warm up to it a little over the next 3 years

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There will still be people obv that won't buy it just like there's a lot of people today that won't buy bluetooth earbuds

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But the public will in part adopt it

fair bronze
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Just like the public adopted the Pontiac Aztek

indigo coral
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honestly

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the aztek isn't as ugly as some cars

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(See: Nissan Quest)

fair bronze
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Well that's always a matter of taste

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Or lack thereof

fathom socket
fair bronze
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Yeah that's more like it

vital glen
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Where are the side mirrors?

fathom socket
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oh yeah

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should be cameras tho

vital glen
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That's still a no no in the US

fair bronze
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Still no windshield wipers either

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Don't know what they are up to

vital glen
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Crack @fair bronze

orchid cave
indigo coral
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LOL

eager kite
narrow reef
dense shard
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Oof

fathom socket
whole sorrel
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Linus I hope you see this but i was watching WAN and i thought I'd try to make a Cybertruck Police car and wanted to know what you think

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night current
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Lol, nice

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Tesla truck in black looks nice tbh

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@eager kite That looks more truck like. I'm not sure if it's better. I feel like it's a tie imo.

eager kite
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I think it's a little better

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also allows you to load and unload from the side of the truck

night current
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Very true

whole sorrel
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If you guys haven't already

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Check out itsjusta6's video on it

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He made a good point about how it could be a test for a Mars Rover

eager kite
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Elon said on twitter that a pressurized version will be used on mars

indigo coral
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Literally none of those are attractive

whole sorrel
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On the topic of electric cars

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You gotta admit this is heat

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0-100 km/h in almost 2 seconds

indigo coral
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yes.

eager kite
night current
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Ngl, all of those concept cars look the same... Tesla truck stands out and looks pretty decent.

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Also, I think the Tesla truck in black looks great

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@whole sorrel I'm watching that video rn, and he actually does bring up some good points.

eager kite
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they're gonna offer it in black at least

night current
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Yeah that's where I got the photo. xD

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I hope they will.

eager kite
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oh yea lol

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You may not like the look of the Tesla Cybertruck, but you gotta admit that Elon has balls to release it knowing how polarizing it is.

night current
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^

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He really does. Lmfao

slim trout
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Theory on why the CyberTruck looks ass: There are no exterior mirrors. The look isn't pulled together until you add them

dense shard
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Uhhhh

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It's not road legal

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Also

eager kite
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link doesn't work for me

dense shard
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Cars are legally required to have a center brake light, mirrors.

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And the ATV is a rebranded Yamaha

eager kite
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I mean the atv looks kind of similar

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but the body is entirely different

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as well as the steering and screen

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oh lol that's why I cant see his tweets I'm blocked by him xd

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don't even know who he is...

dense shard
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If you blocked him, you know

eager kite
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no I never blocked him

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lol well I guess he was scared or something of my twitter posts so preemptively blocked me

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oh, yea hes a tesla short

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there's a whole group of $teslaq who share around names of users to block so they can't comment on their posts

dense shard
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Uhhhh

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People don't preemptively block on Twitter

eager kite
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I've been blocked by a multitude of tesla shorts of which I have never had a conversation with on twitter

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or ever replied to their posts

indigo coral
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Hold up

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Tesla released a forking gas powered quad?

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Lol what?

dense shard
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You can bodge an electric motor to it

eager kite
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nah it's an electric atv

dense shard
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Uhuh and I'm Queen Anne

eager kite
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but some people think they took the chassis of a Yamaha atv and added their own motor and body

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and stuff

indigo coral
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I mean

dense shard
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And they're probably right

indigo coral
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Is it that huge of a deal?

eager kite
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not really

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I don't think it would be hard for Tesla to make their own chassis

dense shard
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Cheaper to buy a ready unit

eager kite
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but is it?

dense shard
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Not cheap to develop

eager kite
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you're paying for stuff you don't need

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and then paying even more to retrofit

dense shard
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It's always cheaper to buy off the shelf products

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Less red tape

eager kite
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but you can't just buy the chassis

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you gotta buy the whole unit

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that's expensive

dense shard
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You can buy just a chassis

eager kite
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not en mass from Yamaha

dense shard
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I'm sure they could have entered into an agreement

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Yamaha is a go-to for outsourcing

eager kite
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yea but that goes completely against Tesla's philosophy of vertical integration

dense shard
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Just as Toyota, Volvo, and Ford

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Tesla is still technically using Panasonic batteries

eager kite
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and in the long run it would be cheaper

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no, they are using Panasonic manufactured batteries

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Tesla owns the IP for the battery technology itself

dense shard
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It's a generic cell

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There's no ip to own

eager kite
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the geometry is yes

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the actual design of the battery is totally IP

dense shard
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I'm still Queen Anne

eager kite
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like, what actual battery you are making is very sensitive IP

dense shard
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The chemical composition maybe

eager kite
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yea

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that's the important part of a battery

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the exterior dimensions/design of a cell is pretty standard

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the insides are not

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Also now that tesla owns Maxwell Tech and Hibar, they probably have the means now to make their own cells

civic spoke
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Driving wet concrete is the worst.

eager kite
vital glen
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@eager kite I thought they were still in the process of making their own batteries, but they still own the facility Panasonic is using to make batteries

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And uhh.... I wouldn't think that Tesla didn't spend any money to launch the cybertruck

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It would be quite pricey in the short term, but where is he getting the billion dollar figure

eager kite
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People that preordered that will buy the car and people who buy other teslas because of this unveiling is where he's getting the billion dollar figure @vital glen

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Tesla owns the IP to their battery and the factory they are made in

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Panasonic owns the IP on how they currently are being made

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However, Panasonic has confirmed they don't have a deal to make batteries for Tesla in their China giga

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And Elon has said there will be battery production there

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So that means it's pretty likely Tesla will move to make their own cells

vital glen
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@eager kite Do you got a source for this?

eager kite
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for what part? @vital glen

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I think these are the things you were asking about

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Right now there isn't any battery manufacturing in giga 3 that we know of

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and Tesla is currently buying cells from LG chem

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but there are plans to produce batteries there

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and if they aren't going to work with Panasonic on it, who has been their partner for quite a while now, then it stands to reason they are just gonna do it themselves

eager kite
civic spoke
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What about 16:20?

dense shard
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ah yes

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And so Tesla begins it's career as the car of soundcloud rappers.

night current
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People are saying that the design of the Tesla truck was to lower the build cost? Having flat windows and body panels are cheaper. Pretty interesting idea if that is true.

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It'd also be easier to produce, therefor making it easier to mass produce them?

fair bronze
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You mean like this?

indigo coral
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too many curves.

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xD

stoic ledge
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Oof xD

fair bronze
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To be honest the Lada has more class

stoic ledge
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Yes

indigo coral
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yes

fair bronze
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And it's also made out of stainless steel

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I mean soviet steel

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Actually they have a lot of similarities

vital glen
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Hey, Tesla tho

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Betta than any car

stoic ledge
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X doubt

vital glen
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But it's telsa @stoic ledge

indigo coral
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f150 shelby raptor baja > tesla cybertruck

vital glen
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But Tesla

stoic ledge
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No Tesla

fair bronze
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Tesla is safer because it's electric

indigo coral
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even tho the model 3 is kinda sterile, im still tempted to get one

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cause I could just drive it w/o guilt

fair bronze
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Electricity is safe

indigo coral
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of wasting a bunch of gas

stoic ledge
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Pogey A friend of mine just stranded on the side of the road with his (parents) VW Pogey

vital glen
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@indigo coral what state do you reside in?

indigo coral
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WA

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loads and loads of Teslas here

fair bronze
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NWA

indigo coral
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and lots of superchargers

vital glen
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Don't you guys export coal and natural gas?

indigo coral
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dont think so

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lots of our power is hydro

vital glen
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Ooof, hydro is finnicky

indigo coral
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but its not a guilt about emissions

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its about wasting money cause gas is f*cking expensive

vital glen
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Loser

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Stop being poor

indigo coral
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could just go drive for lols if I didn't have to pay for gas

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I'd probably put way too many miles on the car if I got one xD

fair bronze
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Stop complaining about your gas prices lol

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It can never be worse than what we have

indigo coral
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yes, but your cars get what, 35mpg?

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I filled up last night and averaged 17.4

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So

fair bronze
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Then you got the wrong car?

indigo coral
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The car was free lol.

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Gas is still stupid expensive here

fair bronze
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Name your price

indigo coral
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electricity is way cheaper

fair bronze
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I know

indigo coral
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3.18$ last night

fair bronze
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Per gallon?

indigo coral
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ya

vital glen
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I'm paying 2.77 for 93

indigo coral
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wtf

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its 3.18 for 87 last night, something like 3.40 for 93

stoic ledge
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cries in 7.5 USD/gallon

vital glen
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Loser

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Stop being poor

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You could get a free Tesla if you weren't poor @stoic ledge

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Dude

indigo coral
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our electricity is nice and cheap here, would cost like 2.70 offpeak to charge a Model 3

stoic ledge
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Well maybe if I wasn't still in school I could have gotten me a free Tesla

fair bronze
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So you pay €0,92/l, we pay €1,63/l

indigo coral
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okay?

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doesn't mean gas here is cheap

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it means you lot are getting even more screwed

fair bronze
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It's way more affordable

indigo coral
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Still expensive.

stoic ledge
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Just like insert anything you can think of

fair bronze
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Hmm

indigo coral
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its expensive enough to make just going for a drive for fun to be financially irresponsible

vital glen
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Stop being poor

fair bronze
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I'm not saying that

vital glen
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I found your solution

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Would you look for a used model 3? @indigo coral

indigo coral
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theyre hardly depreciating

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so probably not

vital glen
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Or would you pay the 40k upfront

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and then get your tax credits back

indigo coral
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a salvage model 3 is still like 36k for a SR+

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So

vital glen
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The hell

indigo coral
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I'd just get a new one

vital glen
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Would you get a base model?

indigo coral
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nah fam

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I'd get the performance

vital glen
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So you are willing to pay 50k

indigo coral
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if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it all the way 😂

fair bronze
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But he ain't

vital glen
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You have more problems than just driving for fun

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is fiscally irresponsible

fair bronze
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What are you trying to say

indigo coral
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I mean. if you are going to spend most of the money, it makes sense to step up a bit and get a properly equipped one

fair bronze
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Honestly if I had that kind of money I wouldn't spend it on something like that

vital glen
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I mean, that's probably all you can find

fair bronze
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Most electric cars here get private leased anyway

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Pretty much no-one buys them

indigo coral
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cool. good for you lot

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theres tons of EVs around here

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loads of them

vital glen
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Too many

indigo coral
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no?

fair bronze
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I'm saying most people find them too expensive here

indigo coral
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wtf

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a SR+ model 3 isn't much more expensive than a nicely equipped camry

fair bronze
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Has nothing to do with "being poor"

vital glen
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@fair bronze My response to that
Just kill a rich dude for his money

fair bronze
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I'd rather get a Camry in that case

vital glen
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Like simple simple

indigo coral
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a Camry XSE is 35k, Model 3 SR+ is 39k

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I'd get the Tesla

fair bronze
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Yeah I mean what is jail anyway

vital glen
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Not a big deal if you hide the money

fair bronze
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But if you hide the money you can't spend it

vital glen
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Yeah you can

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Fake your own death

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Steal someone's identity

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Live your new life as a millionaire

fair bronze
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Not again

vital glen
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Yes again

fair bronze
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You can only fake your own death once

stoic ledge
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Camry is €50k here iirc Pogey

vital glen
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I have broken that rule 5x

fair bronze
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Here the government wants everyone to buy a VW up!

stoic ledge
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€43k*

vital glen
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That's 2 much

indigo coral
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@stoic ledge what camry

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basic or XSE/TRD?

fair bronze
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Hybrid iirc

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We have different trim names

stoic ledge
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No no they want everybody to buy a CO2 emitting car, because that raises more taxes

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And yes the Hybrid only, other engines would be too expensive due to higher CO2 emissiona

fair bronze
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If you see it that way

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Exactly

indigo coral
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your taxes are stupid

fair bronze
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Yes they are

stoic ledge
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Yes

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It's a "Business Intro" trim lol xD

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Idk what that is

indigo coral
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how much is a Model 3 Performance vs a BMW M3 over there MK?

stoic ledge
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But it's a Business Intro

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Model 3 Performance is way cheaper

fair bronze
stoic ledge
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Full optioned Model 3 Performance is € 75.298

vital glen
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3 much

stoic ledge
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M340i starts at € 75.987

fair bronze
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Now I wonder what the Cybertruck would cost if they were going to sell it over here

indigo coral
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not m340i

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proper M3

stoic ledge
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You can't get one yet

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So IDK

indigo coral
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last gen?

stoic ledge
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Previous gen? They don't sell it anymore

indigo coral
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Ooo the M8 Configurator is up

stoic ledge
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M4 Coupe starts at € 126.578

vital glen
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Even if the model 3 and the cybertruck start at the same price in the US, I would imagine the truck costing more over there @fair bronze

fair bronze
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Definitely

stoic ledge
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Then it will probably be the same price over here as well

indigo coral
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your govt will find a way to increase the price

stoic ledge
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There is no tax on it to make it more expensive then

vital glen
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But it's a truck, even though it's electric

stoic ledge
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Yeah, but trucks like that are treated the same as normal vehicles

vital glen
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How do they determine the tax?

stoic ledge
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Commercial vehicles are even taxed lower

fair bronze
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Emissions

stoic ledge
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Depends on the license plate and buyer

fair bronze
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Also where you live

indigo coral
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nice, 186,280 for an optioned M8 CS convertible

fair bronze
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Nice right

stoic ledge
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Usually it's price + (import tax if outside EU (10%)) + 21% VAT + emissions tax

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But on a EV that emissions tax is 0

fair bronze
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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't sell it for the same price as a Model 3 though

stoic ledge
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So if the price without taxes is the same compared to the Model 3, it will be the same after taxes too

fair bronze
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I know what you mean

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Still though

stoic ledge
fair bronze
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Definitely not

indigo coral
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the XSE and TRD have a 3.5 V6 w/ 301hp

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so

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I doubt it xD

stoic ledge
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Ah

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xD

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Then no

fair bronze
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We don't get that sweet Toyota V6

stoic ledge
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Taxes would make it €70k probably

fair bronze
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I don't know the emissions but possibly even more

indigo coral
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its only FWD though E_PepoCry

fair bronze
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Yeah that's a bummer

indigo coral
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(Model 3 is RWD :D)

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honestly im surprised theyve stuck with rwd on teslas

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you'd think theyd go fwd

fair bronze
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At least the Camry has an interior

stoic ledge
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Engine placement doesn't matter on EVs

indigo coral
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the Model 3 has a nice interior wym

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its minimalist but I like it

stoic ledge
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No driveshafts, transmissions etc

fair bronze
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It feels so empty

indigo coral
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but you can actually see out of it

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thats one of my biggest pet peeves with new cars is that you can't fuckin see out of them

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new Continental, my mom's Explorer, etc

fair bronze
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Does the Camry not come with windows?

indigo coral
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I've not driven the new camry

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so

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but I'm talking about visiblity

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some are utterly dreadful now days

fair bronze
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I've driven the Lexus ES so close enough

indigo coral
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(My RX has great visibility which is really nice)

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effectively zero blindspots

night current
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Looks nice in white

indigo coral
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its a tiny bit better but still ugly

night current
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Yeah, lol

fair bronze
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Looks like a driving block of ice

slim trout
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I like it in white

indigo coral
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will it be offered with paint tho?

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thought they said stainless only

dense shard
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That's gonna be a huge pain to keep clean.

stoic ledge
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So is white xD

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Trust me

dense shard
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Oh I believe it.

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Each color choice has issues, but stainless steel takes special care.

stoic ledge
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True

dense shard
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Especially if they go with a brushed look.

stoic ledge
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Even better: white car with black roof. All the disadvantages of a white car (dirty quick) but none of the advantages (cool interior) due to the black roof

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xD

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Brushed stainless does look cool tho

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'member the Delorean? Cool af

dense shard
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Also dark colors tend to scratch up faster.

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Yeah. I remember Delorean owners are a bit anal about touching the car since it's a huge pain to keep clean.

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honestly... give me a painted exterior.

stoic ledge
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In metallic red Pogey

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Tbh if I'd buy a brand new car, I wouldn't get white/gray/black/blue

dense shard
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I got green/blue.

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good stuff

stoic ledge
night current
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Elon said he'd offer it in other colors.

dense shard
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It's the Galactic Aqua Mica

stoic ledge
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Ah yes I 'member now

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That's nice too

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It's something different

dense shard
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For reference in case anyone else is wondering.

stoic ledge
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I like something different

dense shard
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It's a weird color to say in the least.

stoic ledge
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Dark exterior + light interior 👀 GWloopyGok

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I approve

dense shard
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ikr

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lol

night current
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Man, new 'yota vehicles look real nice.

dense shard
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I absolutely wanted a car with a light interior.

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Or non-black at any rate.

stoic ledge
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^ same tbh

dense shard
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The fact they had the exact color combo I wanted was beyond excellent.

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I'd have settled for red or that nifty blue.

stoic ledge
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Too bad many people are boring and only buy gray cars with red interiors

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And then I have little choice on the second hand market

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:(

dense shard
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That's why I bought new.

stoic ledge
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> Imagine being able to buy a car new

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xD

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Fyi the Corolla you have will be rougly 40k USD converted

dense shard
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Yeah Euro market isn't kind.

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US market is more kind.

stoic ledge
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Yeah I know

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cries

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We do have a wagon tho pogey

dense shard
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yeah, though to be honest I doubt they'd offer the wagon in manual in the US.

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Still the hybrid wagon would be nice.

stoic ledge
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We have all 3 versions as 1.2 Turbo manual or hybrid

dense shard
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Not sure why Toyota didn't offer the 1.2 turbo.

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The sedans are still rolling with the last gen 1.8. The 2.0 is optional on sedans. Standard on the hatchback.

stoic ledge
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Because US people consider 1.8/2.0 tiny af, let alone a 1.2 Turbo xD

dense shard
#

Accord is selling well with the 1.2 turbo.

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errr... 1.5*

stoic ledge
#

Nice

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We got the Fusion with the 1.0 EcoBoost xD

dense shard
#

oh wow

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US got the Focus with the 1.0.

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That's silly small in my mind tbh.

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But if it works, it works.

stoic ledge
#

My boss has the 1.0 Ecoboost in his Focus

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€32k of Focus, 1.0 125hp 🙃

dense shard
#

Naturally the ecoboost focus didn't last long in the US.

stoic ledge
#

Most Focus sold here are the 1.0 EcoBoost

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Like 80+%

dense shard
#

I believe it.

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You can tell the Focus was a Europe first car in the US.

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The manual was the superior choice.

stoic ledge
#

Focus is a great handling car

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Focus automatics are meh, the manuals are great

dense shard
#

DCT transmissions were too clever.

indigo coral
#

3.5 ecoboost v6 in Focus when

dense shard
#

never

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lol

indigo coral
#

damn

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thatd be fun

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400hp in a Focus

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hold up

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the RS had 350

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nice, thought it was less than that

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nevermind the v6 would be pointless

stoic ledge
#

Oncoming RS might have ±400hp

indigo coral
#

you're getting an RS?

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surprising

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you'd think taxes would be too high blurryeyes

dense shard
#

I doubt they're gonna stick an engine that big into it.

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Ford still hasn't adopted a common platform for their cars.

indigo coral
#

the old RS only got 19/26

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lol

flint sable
dense shard
#

oof

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I like the two tone paint job.

indigo coral
#

Oof the 2019 Ioniq gets 57/59mpg

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w0w

dense shard
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It isn't a great car.

indigo coral
#

prius gets 58/53

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camry hybrid tho gets 51/53, pretty damn impressive

dense shard
#

Almost got a Prius.

indigo coral
#

not even that slow either, 208hp

dense shard
#

But driving the Ioniq killed the desire to buy a hybrid.

indigo coral
#

some hybrids are better than others

dense shard
#

I'm sure the Prius would have been better.

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But when the manual corolla showed up. It was a sign.

indigo coral
#

I'd never get a manual, spend too much time sitting in traffic

dense shard
#

Also test drove a Mazda 3.

indigo coral
#

wish I could get an LC 500 😂

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its so pretty

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i think it was motor trend that called it the first great lexus coupe in a long time or somehting like that

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and thats really true

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the SC430 was decidedly mediocre

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SC300 looks cool but its old

dense shard
#

good times

stoic ledge
#

@indigo coral well Europe, hot hatches are quite popular in the UK and countries like Germany

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So in the Netherlands it will probably be expensive af but in other countries it will be ok

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2.3 EcoBoost + 48V mild hybrid = 400hp + 576Nm

indigo coral
#

nice

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Send me one

vital glen
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not enough tork @stoic ledge

indigo coral
#

torque*

stoic ledge
#

It's more torque than a Ferrari 458, but sure

vital glen
#

No, tork @indigo coral

stoic ledge
#

Focus ST has 280hp/420Nm

indigo coral
#

torque*

stoic ledge
#

Koppel*

indigo coral
#

esfuerzo de torsión *

stoic ledge
#

Oof

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Zugbeanspruchung* / Drehmoment*

slim trout
stoic ledge
#

Cybertruck maymays are awesome

stoic ledge
dense shard
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The Cybertruck

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A pyramid scheme

fathom socket
#

It's a 2011 Genesis 2.0T with 67.000 miles on it

indigo coral
#

genesis copue?

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nice

fathom socket
#

1 owner

indigo coral
#

how much

fathom socket
#

Around 9 to 10 thousand

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Everything is in good condition

indigo coral
#

not bad at all

fathom socket
#

Yeah 6 speed Manuel

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My mother wanted this car so bad lol

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Because our Hyundai Tucson 2005 is still running strong at 405.433 thousand miles

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So we thought we can get a good car like this one in the picture to do well as we take care of it

vital glen
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@fathom socket Dude, it has 405,433,000 miles, damn

fathom socket
#

Yeah because I care about my cars :)

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Drive with love and care and the engines will last 7 times there lifetime

vital glen
#

No, I will fucking thrash my engines

fair bronze
#

You will?

eager kite
#

146k preorders on truck

fair bronze
#

146k idiots

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If it was a phone it would be crazy already, let alone a fucking car

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Did you preorder one?

fathom socket
#

Just 1 owner and did good care of the car

fair bronze
#

Nice!

fathom socket
#

Yeah me too

fair bronze
#

That's not a bad thing though imho

#

They're both not ugly

fathom socket
#

It's an okay style but fun to drive and easy to drive

fair bronze
#

That's most important

fathom socket
#

Just hope people don't key the paint :/

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Like they did on Teslas

indigo coral
#

unless you're parking like an arsehole you'll be fine

fair bronze
#

They mostly seem to target Teslas for some reason

fathom socket
#

Yeah :/

indigo coral
#

probably lifted truck drivers

fathom socket
#

Rolling coal XD

fair bronze
#

Honestly I don't get why people would even think of doing that

fathom socket
#

But we have a truck like that but for a good reason

indigo coral
#

keying or rolling coal?

fair bronze
#

Both

fathom socket
#

We carry work supplys with a truck

indigo coral
#

makes them think theyre hot shit

fair bronze
#

Keying in the first place

fathom socket
#

Like it's meant to be

fair bronze
#

Why damage someone else's property

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You don't even know them

fathom socket
#

People are jealous

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I would to but why would I hurt the car

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Like why

fair bronze
#

I see no reason

fathom socket
#

That's a svj Aventador 2019

fair bronze
#

Ah yeah you showed us the other day

fathom socket
#

Yeah

fair bronze
#

That's cool to encounter such a car

fathom socket
#

It's like a rare diamond just popped up from the ground

fair bronze
#

I will never be able to afford something in that price range but that doesn't mean I have to damage it

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Like wtf

fathom socket
#

Yeahb

fair bronze
#

Just be happy for them

fathom socket
#

Need to add cameras very soon

fair bronze
#

Dashcam?

fathom socket
#

Yeah something like that

fair bronze
#

Do that

indigo coral
#

I'ma add a dash cam to my car too

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even tho theyre technically illegal

fair bronze
#

It's only illegal if you get caught

indigo coral
#

exactly

fathom socket
#

It protects from scams :3

fair bronze
#

^

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In my country it's perfectly legal

indigo coral
#

my state blanket bans "modifications" tho its not enforced

fair bronze
#

Public roads so you can film whatever you like

indigo coral
#

a dashcam counts as a modification

fair bronze
#

Ah in that way

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What lol

indigo coral
#

so does an aftermarket stereo

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exactly

fair bronze
#

I was about to ask

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What the

indigo coral
#

its just a way for cops to give you tickets if you're a mouthy arsehole

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imo at least

#

thats why "technically" illegal

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not practically illegal

fair bronze
#

There is no valid reason for that to be illegal

indigo coral
#

it just falls under the "modification" umbrella

fair bronze
#

Mhm

indigo coral
#

i hope the law gets revised xD its not very specific

fair bronze
#

Yeah I hope so too for you

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That makes no sense to me

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Most people here would be doing illegal stuff in that case

indigo coral
#

well its one of those things that I presume is antiquated, and is never enforced by the cops

fair bronze
#

Probably

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I need to install a dashcam as well

indigo coral
#

if my friend can get away with a car so slammed its scraping on the ground and a 3 foot wing, I can have a dash cam xD

fair bronze
#

Sounds about right lol

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For some reason only weird brands make them

indigo coral
#

Xiaomi makes the Yi dashcam that @stoic ledge recommends

fair bronze
#

Except for Xiaomi

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They're somewhat common

indigo coral
#

thats what I'll probably end up getting

fair bronze
#

I think Viofo makes really nice ones that are affordable

indigo coral
#

i tried getting a phone app to do it but the camera just isn't wide angle enough to be useful

fair bronze
#

Sony sensor and capacitor instead of a battery

#

Yeah that doesn't work unfortunately

indigo coral
#

it was decent if I turned it sideways but then I can't use googlemaps 😢

fair bronze
#

Maybe one of those new phones with 10 cameras

indigo coral
#

ooof the viofo ones are 120+

fair bronze
#

There are way more expensive ones out there

indigo coral
#

ye ik

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that ones not bad

fair bronze
#

Also the picture quality is really good

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Lemme take a look

indigo coral
#

4.1/5 stars

fair bronze
#

Seems decent enough

indigo coral
#

so I'm inclined to give it a shot

fair bronze
#

Most important thing imo is that you should be able to read license plates

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Can be difficult with the cheap ones

indigo coral
#

I see so much stupid shit that I just need something

fair bronze
#

lol

indigo coral
#

no seriously.

fair bronze
#

Yeah why not

indigo coral
#

there's so many dumbasses driving around here

fair bronze
#

Like really bad?

indigo coral
#

oh boy.

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i wish i had a dashcam

fair bronze
#

I feel you

#

The American system is quite different to ours

#

To get your license, that is

indigo coral
#

whats your system?

fair bronze
#

NL

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It's expensive to get your license

#

Need many lessons

#

I'm not entirely sure how it works in the US but I think it's way easier

#

Correct me if I'm wrong

indigo coral
#

i had to take 30 in-class sessions of an hour each, 6 supervised drives w/ a teacher, 50hrs of parent-guided practice with 10 being at night, then I had to pass my test (passed it with 100%)

fair bronze
#

Hmm guess it depends then

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I had no in-class lessons but over 30 hours of driving

indigo coral
#

by the time I was done with my learners I had ~200 hours lol

fair bronze
#

I guess it depends on what state you live in?

#

That's insane

indigo coral
#

50 is required

#

and yeah it depends on state

#

Im almost done with my intermediate licence

#

that upgrades at 18

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to no restrictions

fair bronze
#

Yet you encounter so many idiots

indigo coral
#

theres idiots everywhere

fair bronze
#

I know lol

#

I see idiots all the time

#

The biggest problems we have is either people on their phone or not knowing how to change lanes or merge

#

Overall it seems okay here

indigo coral
#

I was on the interstate and saw someone reclined all the way back, two hands on their phone, driving with their knees, at 120kmh

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I was like wtf

fair bronze
#

How did they survive

indigo coral
#

idfk

fair bronze
#

Some people could really use self-driving cars

#

They're just not interested in driving

indigo coral
#

mhm

fair bronze
#

I love driving, it's my favourite thing to do

indigo coral
#

i wish i could just drive for lols

fair bronze
#

Oh I never get to drive for lols

#

I just like driving in general

indigo coral
#

Thats why I'd enjoy a Tesla

#

can just go wandering

fair bronze
#

I get that

#

Just please don't think I hate Tesla or electric cars in general

#

I just hate fanboys

indigo coral
#

I don't think I'm a fanboy

#

(at least for Tesla)

#

xD

fathom socket
#

Tesla Cybertruck

dense shard
#

It looks no better 2 days later.

#

And has raised more questions than not.

fathom socket
#

yeah but what if you slammed it danP

#

RAMP CAR

dense shard
#

It's gonna be awkward if the body panels don't line up this time.

indigo coral
dense shard
fathom socket
#

Lmao

civic girder
#

t r i a n g l e p o w e r

eager kite
#

Aaight put my $100 down for the cybertruck

indigo coral
#

how are you gonna come up with the 40k?

dense shard
#

47 if you get the self driving stuff.

unreal terrace
dense shard
#

If it's an automatic, vegan for life.

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If manual, virgin.

forest harness
#

i just got assetto corsa

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damn its fun

dense shard
#

nice

stoic ledge
#

I was tagged about some dashcams 👀

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@indigo coral that Yi is the exact same model as I have

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Viofo's are good (A119) but not cheap, their cheaper model (A118c) is okay but worse than the Yi, A129 is dual channel (front + rear)

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I do suggest to not use Sandisk SD-cards in dashcams, they have been proven to have high fail rates

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Lexar 443x or Samsung Evo (Plus) seem to work fine

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I have a 64GB Samsung Evo Plus in mine

swift harbor
#

Tatra 613

forest harness
#

nice

#

saw this bagged vauxhall

#

most likely a corsa

vital glen
#

@eager kite Did you do it for the meme?

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or are you capable of affording a 40k vehicle

stoic ledge
#

@forest harness no Corsa

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Astra H GTC

fair bronze
#

@swift harbor Nice to see one of those on the road!

eager kite
#

@vital glen no, and obv yes I can afford the 50k trim if I'm preordering it.

indigo coral
#

On a 36 month lease? anything longer is financially reckless. If you can't afford the payment in the short term, you shouldn't be buying it.

eager kite
#

Why is a 60 month loan financially reckless?

#

And yes I could probably afford a 36 month loan if for some reason I needed to get one that short

indigo coral
#

Shorter loan term = better

#

Loan terms are getting longer and longer, and its damaging the economy. There are literally 12 year loans available for cars now.

#

Utterly insane.

eager kite
#

Um, shorter doesnt always equal better

indigo coral
#

how is a 36 month loan worse than a 60

eager kite
#

And I'm not getting a 12 year loan

indigo coral
#

not saying that you are, just remarking that its insane that people do that

eager kite
#

You could have a higher APR

indigo coral
#

typically you get a lower apr when you use a shorter loan in conjunction with a good credit rating

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and you have to do the math, if your apr is a slight bit higher but you pay it off quicker, you could be ahead overall

eager kite
#

But what if you pay off the lower apr 60 month loan in 36 months superthonk

stoic ledge
#

> Imagine loaning money for a car

indigo coral
#

fair point mk

#

car loans are a bad idea in general

eager kite
#

There's upsides to loaning though

fathom socket
#

Hey should I put 87 or 91 in the Hyundai Genesis 2.0t from 2011 ?

#

The gas type

stoic ledge
#

It's probably stated in the instruction manual, isn't it?

fathom socket
#

Yeah it should

#

The dealership put regular gas in it and it smells a little strange

#

So we tried 91 that the book says and it fixed it

#

So it recommends you to use 91 idk

#

So happy this car has 71.000 miles

indigo coral
#

huh we don't even have 91 here

#

only 87 and 93

stoic ledge
#

I'd also suggest premium or whatever 91 is for a turbocharged 2.0

indigo coral
#

I use cheapass 87 for mine blurryeyes

#

well its not inexpensive but way cheaper than premium

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Saves me like 8$ per fillup

fair bronze
#

That is a decent save

vital glen
#

@eager kite What's the upside in loans?

#

Also depending on where you get loan from there may be a fee for early payment

eager kite
#

No immediate loss of net worth, more $ to invest with, which if it returns more than your APR then you arent even paying for it.

#

And you can increase your credit score

vital glen
#

Wow, straight off the textbook answer

#

good job

#

You know your shit

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@eager kite If you ever do decide to pay your loan back faster read all the terms of the loan to make sure you don't have to pay early payment fees or hell even block you from paying back the principal early

dense shard
#

A 60 month loan is pretty much the longest loan before you start exiting reality.

#

Personally I'm a bigger fan of 36 month loans. It falls within the warranty window meaning you won't be paying down a car that's flying apart as you drive it.

eager kite
#

@vital glen that's usually only a condition if you have bad credit

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Why does that matter @dense shard

dense shard
#

So you'll have money to repair your car out of warranty.

#

That's become an issue recently.

#

You have people with 10 year loans rolling it into a new loan for a car when the old one breaks.

#

Or have to pay repairs on top of paying off the loan.

eager kite
#

If you can afford to pay it off in 36 months and repairs then you definitely can afford to pay it off in 60/72 and pay for repairs

#

Either way you're still paying the same anount

unreal terrace
#

Leggo lambo

stoic ledge
#

With longer loans you also have to pay more interest

But still, > getting a loan on a car

eager kite
#

Longer loans means more time for investment interest to accrue as well

#

Buying a new car with cash outright has very few upsides

fair bronze
#

No-one here is recommending anyone to buy new

eager kite
#

If you are gonna buy new*

#

Or relatively new

fair bronze
#

A few years take off a big chunk of the price most of the time

eager kite
#

Yep

#

That's especially why you don't want to pay for new cars with cash

#

Cause you are basically losing 1/3 or more of the money you paid in the span of 1 or 2 years

fair bronze
#

Thing is, someone has to do it

eager kite
#

Sure, but for you as the consumer to pay cash isn't wise

fair bronze
#

No but there will always be people who buy new

eager kite
#

Yea you can buy new

#

Just get a loan instead of paying cash

#

Here's an example

#

Say you buy a $50k car and put 15K down on a loan at 3.75% apr, not a great rate but not horrible

#

In the end you'll pay around 53.5K for a 50k car

#

However

#

If you invest that 35k and make an average of 8%, over that 5 year time you will make around $8k in interest

fair bronze
#

If you don't lose money

#

That is only in the most ideal situation

eager kite
#

So after 5 years you know own the car, and have an extra $4.7k in your pocket that you wouldn't have if you bought the car with cash

#

If you invest in an S&P 500 etf it averages 8% a year

vital glen
#

Do you? @eager kite

indigo coral
#

if you're investing wisely you'll do well, but that's provided there's no recession

eager kite
#

Yes I do invest

indigo coral
#

eyy same

fair bronze
#

Things never fully go as planned

eager kite
#

Ofc

#

But, in a good market you should be fine

dense shard
#

I bought with cash.

#

I didn't feel a need to pay interest.

eager kite
#

And if you want to be safer

#

You can invest like 1/2 the money

dense shard
#

And any gambles I'd have made on investing would likely have been minimal.

vital glen
#

Why do I feel like I'm taking economics class in freshman year of highschool

dense shard
#

Because you are.

eager kite
#

Cause this is really basic economics they don't teach in US highschools

vital glen
#

@dense shard the answers feel exactly textbook

dense shard
#

Dealer tried to shill me a loan. I avoided it. No way they'd offer me something that doesn't benefit them mainly.

vital glen
#

Like word for word in my head

indigo coral
#

I mean AMD has done well

#

For me

#

:>

dense shard
#

I now it's word for word.

#

Basic economics is to avoid loans.

#

You pay more over time instead of paying it all now.

vital glen
#

Well no, it's to take on debt you can afford

eager kite
#

Loans can help both of you

dense shard
#

Why would you pay more if you can pay less?

#

Why take on debt at all?

eager kite
#

But you aren't paying less that's my point

#

Debt isn't a bad thing so long as you manage it

indigo coral
#

blurryeyes Sink all your money into a box spread that's "guaranteed to make money" and end up like that guy on WSB

dense shard
#

I have no debt.

#

And my credit score is stellar.

#

I don't need "help."

eager kite
#

That's not necessarily a good thing to have no debt

indigo coral
#

I don't have a credit score yet pepokek

dense shard
#

I don't know who the fuck believes debt is good.

eager kite
#

You aren't leveraging your money wisely

indigo coral
#

Debt isn't good

dense shard
#

But if you think debt is good I have a time share I want to sell you.

indigo coral
#

But it's not necessarily a death sentence if it's managed well

eager kite
#

Uncontrolable debt isn't good

vital glen
#

You pay your credit card balance off asap, not your house

fair bronze
#

I'd only borrow money to get a house

eager kite
#

Controlled debt is fine

dense shard
#

It's a car. It depreciates immediately. Why pay money on something that loses value?

#

Borrowing money for a house makes sense.

#

A car... less so.

indigo coral
#

Houses typically appreciate, cars depreciate

eager kite
#

In fact in many ways controlled debt is a good thing because it allows you to leverage your money to invest in other things that make you money

indigo coral
#

(houses + land)

dense shard
#

You keep talking about investing.

#

But in what.

#

The stock market?

eager kite
#

Yes, you should invest

#

Not just the stock market

indigo coral
#

investing is risky, but potentially lucrative

dense shard
#

Too risky.

vital glen
#

@dense shard Like I said basic econ 100 freshman year

dense shard
#

yep

eager kite
#

Bonds are very low risk

vital glen
#

These answers feel like it

indigo coral
#

Stocks are liquid assets but risky, real estate is illiquid but less risky

dense shard
#

Also very low yield.

#

Bonds are what... 3% over like... 20 years?

vital glen
#

From Arial

dense shard
#

I can't get a loan under 3%.

eager kite
#

Sure, so if you are concerned about investment than have a diverse portfolio

dense shard
#

The money you invest MIGHT maybe outweigh the interest on a loan.

eager kite
#

Likely will

vital glen
#

All you answers feel like I'm reading a textbook

dense shard
#

I'm using anecdotes from my experiences.

indigo coral
#

I know someone that invested a bunch of money from their student loans blobfacepalm idiot.

dense shard
#

I never take on debt if I can avoid it.

eager kite
#

@vital glen because they aren't complex answers

indigo coral
#

Lost it all, bought options and let them expire

#

Fuckin idiot

eager kite
#

Bruh

dense shard
#

You buy a car, the economy crashes. Your loan is still there, and your investments are now useless.

eager kite
#

Options are the worst form of investment

vital glen
#

Yeah, but say something not so robotic. @eager kite

dense shard
#

The bank doesn't care you invested your money.

eager kite
#

You can't really when talking economics lol

indigo coral
#

I personally have cash reserves to go shopping in case of a recession blurryeyes

eager kite
#

^

dense shard
#

uhhhhh

indigo coral
#

market falls = shopping time

eager kite
#

Don't put all your money in one basket, even in the economy

vital glen
#

Market Falls = I'm raising cows

indigo coral
#

I bought novideo after it hecking tanked, and am doing fairly well with that

eager kite
#

I'm up around 25% on my Tesla shares

indigo coral
#

knew it.

#

Lol

#

I'm up 165% on my AMD shares

vital glen
#

@indigo coral Lmao, only 165%

indigo coral
#

And 276% on my caterpillar investment

eager kite
#

Oh yea AMD has shot up a ton in the last 5 years

indigo coral
#

👍

eager kite
#

I think it like 10x'd

indigo coral
#

I got in a bit late but it went way more than 10x

dense shard
#

I'm holding off on the stock market for now.

vital glen
#

I bought amd stock for less than 2 dollars

indigo coral
#

You did?!

#

Still have it?

vital glen
#

Yeah

#

Yeah

indigo coral
#

Nice!

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I remember bothering my parents to buy some, but at the time their outlook was veerrrryyy bad so we didn't

eager kite
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I bought some AMD recently, up 20% on that

indigo coral
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I should have pushed the issue, at least for my personal portfolio

vital glen
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If they flopped, I would have lost about 30-40 dollars

indigo coral
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Am only up about 30% on Nvidia

dense shard
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Don't have much money to play around with.

eager kite
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@dense shard how much was the car you bought with cash?

dense shard
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23.5k

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I had 25 grand earmarked for a car purchase.