it just stiffens up the air bag suspension and makes it hold rpms a little more as far as I can tell
#cars
vital glen
When your buddies in the car
You hit sport mode
you take that land rover competitor from 0-60 in like 7 seconds
fathom socket
the third row seat is automatic up and down 
vital glen
Will you ever off road it though?
fathom socket
no it's an urban assault vehicle
fathom socket
it has ac vents in the roof for the 2nd and 3rd row passengers
it's actually insane 
vital glen
What did you come from?
indigo coral
why would you off-road a gx
vital glen
that these standard features are so nice to you
indigo coral
If you want to off-road get a jeep
vital glen
dude
indigo coral
I low-key want to drive the first gen LS
vital glen
if the motherfucking under carriage can off-road
and it has everything to offroad
it will go offroad
indigo coral
why would you scuff up a luxury SUV doing that though
indigo coral
Plan is to get a G70 in a few years tho
indigo coral
it's depreciating way quicker than the GS F
indigo coral
need a sedan
vital glen
Do you though?
indigo coral
Coupe not practical enough, I haul people around a lot
My RX has people in the backseat at least once daily, if not more
G70 has a tiny ass trunk though
fathom socket
I almost bought a hyundai equus ultimate package 
god damn was it hard for me to walk away from that
indigo coral
that's a super nice car
vital glen
and not front seats?
vital glen
those screens in the seats are never nice
indigo coral
stick a surface up there. Easy.
vital glen
My father payed 120k or whatever in full in 2007
indigo coral
what's wrong with hoovie?
indigo coral
??
vital glen
under the headline for his psa about
don;t buy a 2007 s550
He showed massaging seats
which were on the 2008 model and later
and not the 07 model
I am salty
vital glen
They are
but
I am crafty
Basically anything that could have a major point of mechanical failure has been replaced by higher quality parts @fathom socket
The real nightmare is the audio system
vital glen
the air suspension isn't that much of an issue
indigo coral
considering many run fine, a few had problems
indigo coral
Oof
fathom socket
that's the major problem with the mark levinson system if the amp goes nothing works and it's like $1000 to replace
indigo coral
My naka system works well actually
vital glen
at the dealer
indigo coral
Don't think it's too bad to replace
vital glen
and it isn't that nice of an amp
rugged forge
eager kite
unreal terrace
pre-order now and you might actually be able to buy a car
carmine summit
So partly because of this chat I'm buying this
1993 Yamaha Exciter II SX
It needs some work but it was $400 and it'll be worth a lot more than that once I clean it up a bit
dense shard
Preorder now, and you might get it before the Model Y.
indigo coral
probably will
Model Y isn't going to see the light of day until well into 2023 probably
dense shard
Oh good. They DIDN'T get Fields to talk to the crowd.
Bill Ford, find a new CEO ffs.
indigo coral
considering how far delayed the Model 3 was
dense shard
That being said.
I don't like the Mustang label.
They should have gone with Thunderbird.
indigo coral
They were going to sully the Mach 1 name so be grateful its the Mach E
dense shard
I just think a company with a protfolio as big as Ford's...
They could have done a dozen names.
eager kite
The model Y is going into production summer 2020...
dense shard
So they claim.
indigo coral
Elon time
indigo coral
exactly
dense shard
Model X and Model 3 were both delayed by a long time.
indigo coral
^
eager kite
sure, but they were originally saying fall 2020 for the Model Y
eager kite
now it's been moved up to summer
dense shard
It's better than I expected.
eager kite
the back is a little weird but otherwise not bad
indigo coral
but considering how terribad the renders were of the mach e
dense shard
oh no... Jim Hackett.
indigo coral
he's a dumbass
literally got his head so far up his ass he can chew his food again
lmao
dense shard
Can we bring back Mullaly?
I like the styling more than Tesla's.
Ford's issue was never styling to be fair.
eager kite
innovative?
dense shard
They jump from success to success with years if not decades of stagnation between.
They make what we have work.
The Mustang didn't innovate, Thunderbird didn't, and the Taurus sure as hell didn't.
dense shard
It had an excellent design for the time.
indigo coral
ah
i always thought those looked a bit weird
better than the buble ones though
bubble*
indigo coral
We had a Ford Five Hundred, was a good car
eager kite
oh they copied the fake grill of the old model S...
eager kite
what mustang has a fake circular grill?
dense shard
circular?
eager kite
well that's what it is...
indigo coral
ok that is NOT A flattering angle of that car
eager kite
that's the style of the red one
dense shard
I wonder how big those wheel are tho.
eager kite
the blue one is just a flat circular fake grill
dense shard
Also I see Ford has introduced the new super fan badge.
You can tell if the person really really cares about the car if the badge still lights up in 10 years.
You keep saying circular.
But I'm seeing edges and points.
It's likely vents for motor cooling, AC, and air management.
dense shard
Could be worse.
eager kite
you still need to walk around to get the cable though...
eager kite
if you're pulling into a parking spot the charger is gonna be in front of you
dense shard
okay, and?
eager kite
ugly
dense shard
subjective
oh cool, they have a frunk.
Also dunno where you found your picture.
But the official reveal shows the one I posted.
eager kite
from the presentation...
dense shard
uhuh
eager kite
it's just a screen cap from the livestream
dense shard
Then you are cherry picking.
eager kite
bruh they are the ones presenting this car
dense shard
And that's the only one they showed?
eager kite
yea idk if the blue one is just some prototype version that won't make it to production
just looks kinda similar
dense shard
oh shiiiiii
eager kite
idk why they didn't just show the white one they had with the styling of the rest of them
eager kite
yes put a turbo in an ev
dense shard
oh no that stupid back grill is a GT feature.
indigo coral
You'd have to be stupid to get a ford mustang ev in america
indigo coral
good luck charging it!
eager kite
can't travel
indigo coral
what about trips
eager kite
so it's only an around town car
indigo coral
? its easy to travel in a tesla
dense shard
They need to get charging down to 5-10 minutes max.
dense shard
They do for me.
eager kite
like for the same price, you would want to get a Model Y than this suv
dense shard
I wouldn't.
eager kite
well for all specs you would
indigo coral
i used to like the volvo xc40 but its really fcking overpriced
for as much as it costs plus a little I could get a base Model 3 and a used Stinger GT
dense shard
Specs are half a story.
indigo coral
yeah charging network is important
dense shard
For me charging times are vital.
And for now the network isn't covering 100% of the US.
indigo coral
teslas is faster, as well as better tech than ford
eager kite
wait, if you care about charging times why would you want toe ford then...
dense shard
The roads less travelled are what counts for me.
At this point if I want a car around town... Mach E.
eager kite
Tesla's have 100kw faster charging than the ford (250kw v 150kw)
dense shard
For long distance travel I'd want a gas car, or ultra fast charging.
I don't want to wait around 30-45 minutes to charge my car.
eager kite
no you wouldn't
indigo coral
you'd roast your battery in like a year if oyu charged in 5 minutes
dense shard
Great, then gas cars it is.
dense shard
where?
eager kite
In a long range model 3, you could charge from 15% to 80% in under 25 mins
indigo coral
lots of lines at gas pumps unless you go at night
eager kite
but most of the time you would be charging for less
indigo coral
longest I had to wait was about 45 mins
dense shard
That's on you.
eager kite
and then you go inside and go to the bathroom and get a coffee
eager kite
and you could actually enjoy your snack and coffee before leaving in a tesla
I mean, you do you, but personally I find road tripping in a Tesla to be about equal to gas cars. Like yes it might take a little bit longer, but I enjoy the trip more...
dense shard
I usually enjoy a coffee at the destination. Not some shitty 4 dollar sludge at a crowded station.
And in my case I've travelled out to some ass backwards parts.
Parts that were nominally reachable with an EV.
eager kite
oh wait sorry
base models only get 115kw of charging
you have to pay more to get 150kw
carmine summit
Hybrids are optimal
dense shard
Tesla would have left me up shit creek in New Mexico.
eager kite
was there electricity there? @dense shard
indigo coral
is that theyre all slow as hell
dense shard
I'm not going to wait 30 hours to charge a car up at Pie Town.
eager kite
you wouldn't need to
indigo coral
its way more than 30 hours
eager kite
you would only need to charge enough to get to a supercharger
or
have someone tow your car
for like 10 mins
carmine summit
Or if you had an ice you could just go to a gas station and fill up in 3 minutes
eager kite
dense shard
That's assuming the road is acutally a road.
Socorro has a destination charger... no super charger.
eager kite
oh a destination charger would work
that can charge your car a lot faster than a 110 outlet
dense shard
one issue.
Pie Town is about 2 hours away from Socorro.
83 miles... so you better be sure to charge your car up.
And from there you still have a tether. So no exploring for you.
vital glen
I am confused
eager kite
also a supercharger opening soon in socorro...
vital glen
of saying because it takes longer to fill up my car
it makes me drinking/eating a snack more enjoyable
eager kite
you definitely would have been fine in a tesla going to pie town
dense shard
Not so much beyond.
eager kite
dense shard
Where?
eager kite
look at the image I just posted...
dense shard
Yes, there are no chargers around Pie Town.
eager kite
yes there are
eager kite
no there's one in socorro
dense shard
Socorro is 80 miles away.
eager kite
ok well that still leaves you with like 125 miles to play with in pie town
dense shard
The trip between Socorro and Pinetop is 200 miles.
At no point is there a charger "around."
vital glen
That's nothing, we had to walk to school barefoot, in the snow, carrying our books in our hands
400miles round trip
eager kite
if you're traveling through pie town then you can reach another charger just fine
eager kite
and even if you stop there for a while you still would have enough range to reach a charger
even if you had a base model 3 you would have enough range
dense shard
That's... 210 miles?
eager kite
it would still get you there
indigo coral
one benefit is that its a hell of a lot easier to put in a new charger than it is to put in a new gas station
dense shard
Debatable.
dense shard
I'm not towing my car.
dense shard
Ah yes... go 80 miles out of my way.
great idea.
I too waste 2 hours of a road trip to spend 45 minutes doing nothing.
eager kite
I mean if you're going to be whiny about going direct then you would go indirect
vital glen
Your time is worth less than the charging infrastructure, shutup @dense shard
fathom socket
Ford Mustang Mach-E Electric SUV is a thing 🤔
eager kite
what was your original trip anyway?
dense shard
At least my time is more expansive than the charging infrastructure.
The original trip was to fuck around New Mexico because the internet was shit and I was bored with my friends.
indigo coral
wow, theres a surprising amount of superchargers near me
indigo coral
aaand now you're reaching
indigo coral
its starting to turn into the EV thing
for electric cars to be mainstream there needs to be enough chargers that you don't have to do that
eager kite
well no he's saying that if he had a tesla he would be stranded there
indigo coral
not stranded but its not practical
indigo coral
its really not
eager kite
he could stop there and gain another 30+ miles of range in an hour
which would be more than enough to reach his destination
even though the car already has the range to do it but he complained about the margin
dense shard
210 theoretical miles to a 200 mile trip.
Going uphill takes more power.
Using things such as lights likely uses more power.
indigo coral
headlights and stuff is a negligible difference
dense shard
I'm supposed to enjoy this trip, or batten down the hatches and hypermile for 200 miles?
heaters aren't negligible.
indigo coral
yeah
headlights and radio and stuff are though
heater/ac uses a ton of power
even my inefficient RX has a huge downturn in mpg using air con
dense shard
oof, that bad?
I don't think I've done an AC free run yet.
But 40 ish mpg on the flat is nice.
eager kite
again, you could stop for a short time in pie city and charge and continue on your trip
indigo coral
Goes from ~20 highway to ~15-16
using AC
heater doesn't make a difference cause its just using excess engine heat
eager kite
and the base model 3 has 220 mile range, not 210
dense shard
christ
eager kite
and the sr+ is 240...
dense shard
A 25% hit on fuel economy is tragic.
dense shard
man get some injector cleaner going.
dense shard
That might actually help you.
indigo coral
oh?
dense shard
Could be you need to run some of that weird cleaner stuff. Some call it snake oil, some of it is.
Some actually does things.
indigo coral
I'm wondering if something broke inside
car runs fine but I found something
when I was adding some oil (was just a little bit low), there was a little thing in there, tiny little black chunk (looked like carbon-y stuff) so I just picked it out and threw it away
has been running fine and everything
probably is really bad but shrug
indigo coral
Oof
dense shard
lol
stoic ledge
If I do some quick math... That's actually cheaper then electricity costs here
stoic ledge
Oof the Mustang Mach-E... I don't like the name of it, but on paper it looks like a very good alternative to the current EVs.
stoic ledge
fair bronze
They don't call him Captain Slow for nothing
stoic ledge
Average speed: 7 mph
Yes
fathom socket
I've watch that video it was good but in my head Jeremy Clarkson is laughing
Do you guys know what year this is
It's a Porsche 911 or maybe a different model
stoic ledge
It's a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 of the 964 generation, what exact year idk
fossil imp
911 964 was ~ 1989-dec 1993
fathom socket
Sweet
What do you guys think of tavarish Lamborghini murcielago 2003 or 2006 he restored
I think he did a amazing job keeping that legend alive
dense shard
Good on him for being to be able to afford it?
Is it really a restoration if the car is less than 20 years old?
carmine summit
yeah, if you take something that is beat up and restore the pervious condition, that's restoration
dense shard
I suppose?
carmine summit
RM Restorations restored a Maserati MC12 a few years ago, I know someone that worked on it
those were built in the mid 2000s
dense shard
In my mind I guess restoration usually involved fixing up an old car that was actually used.
Super cars are usually garage kept.
Rarely ever used.
Hell most bought today ARE garage kept in the hopes they'll shoot up in value. I guess you can restore those? I mean hell at this point they're kept under more strict conditions than most 16th century paintings.
night current
The murcielago Taverish fixed up was in such a terrible condition... Wasnt it a stunt car in the fast and furious movie?
fair bronze
Yes it was
indigo coral
ye
dense shard
I see.
carmine summit
I'll be partly restoring something from 1993 soon
Not completed restoration but enough to increase it's value
Yamaha Exciter 2 SX, bought it for $400 and I'm hoping to get $1500 for it when I'm done
dense shard
I'd like to get an early 90s Mustang Shelby... SVT? to restore.
Or at least mess around with.
I know the Fox bodies are shooting up in price right now. The SN-95s would be fun tho.
carmine summit
the new edge SN95s are surprisingly expensive
$6000 is about what a nice one goes for here even though they're close to 20 years old
dense shard
I'm talking about the old ones.
The ones with massive panel gaps. The ones that still used the 5.0.
carmine summit
yeah those are worth less
carmine summit
what's that
forest harness
sim qheel
carmine summit
ah
forest harness
original price is ~270€
kid needed cash for a pack of cigs
sold me his g920
i got some good stonks
fathom socket
im addicted to lexus
indigo coral
same 
heady ridge
and now to make everyone wonder what happened https://www.facebook.com/backpacars/videos/2454464241434432/UzpfSTEwMDAwNjM5NzUwMjE5NToyNDIxNzI3Nzg4MDUwNDQ4/
stoic ledge
Oof so a car is inspired by another car
It's not like we've been doing that for the last 100 years
wheat hatch
Lmao
wheat hatch
.thonk.
stoic ledge
.thonk.
stoic ledge
Idk maybe being more specific can help
eager kite
the oof part is how they admit after the entire event that it was inspired off Tesla, while during the event making little jabs at Tesla and said just blatantly false things about EVs
wheat hatch
Cool
eager kite
well, I guess that's why ford pays their marketing team so much money
the script for that event was probably 10 mil lol
wheat hatch
Nice
eager kite
yea man
oh man you can hear the pain in the guys voice when he says "innovative (pause) front, trunk"
like he's just dying to say frunk
wheat hatch
Cool
eager kite
poor guy
wheat hatch
Nice
stoic ledge
Imagine the hate the first guy got when he developed a cargo area in a car for the first time ever
eager kite
probably none?
stoic ledge
Then why would a frunk be innovative?
wheat hatch
It's not like mid engined cars have had front trunk before
eager kite
it's not
that's the point
front trunks have existed for a good amount of time, just not in most mass market cars
in the presentation however they said it was innovative to have one in their car
cause you know, marketing and stuff
stoic ledge
oof dat old 520i
wheat hatch
what a beauty!
stoic ledge
With a tow hitch 
dense shard
All automakers rely on marketing to move a product.
And will use any means to move a product.
People call Tesla innovative, but electric cars have been around since the turn of the 20th century.
And for the time being, considering only Tesla and now Ford have frunks... I'd say that's close enough to innovation.
"but what about Porsche"
meh
indigo coral
more than just porsche
stoic ledge
And for the time being, considering only Tesla and now Ford have frunks... I'd say that's close enough to innovation.
Glare
dense shard
Who else currently makes a car with a frunk?
The Beetle's storage was pitiful.
Rivian isn't out yet.
indigo coral
Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren, Buatti, BMW, Tesla, Ford
dense shard
Those are not usable.
stoic ledge
^ that, + Alpine,
indigo coral
Chery I think
indigo coral
Still its there
stoic ledge
indigo coral
Tesla's is tiny in less you have a RWD model s
dense shard
That's the new Alpine, right?
That postdates Tesla's Model S.
Here if it helps let me move the goal posts a bit.
As far as electric cars are concerned.
Only Tesla and Ford have done frunks.
indigo coral
i3
dense shard
Maybe? That's fucking tiny.
Frankly the Mach E's biggest issue isn't marketing.
It's the fact it's a Ford. And has a Ford interior.
It's the best implementation of a cheap interior yet.
And the gauge cluster is... well....
Texas Instruments called, and they want their calculator graphics back.
indigo coral
lol
dense shard
Maybe I'm just salty. I love the exterior, but the interior is blah.
stoic ledge
Imho the interior looks better than the Model 3
For one, it has a gauge cluster
That's +100000
Jaguar iPace has a frunk too fyi
Quite small, but it has one
Perfect for the charging cable
dense shard
Personally I'm not willing to give Jaguar that. I cable cubby is not the same as a usable trunk. Toyota pulled the same gag with the MR2. "Sure the front trunk is taken up entirely by a spare tire, but if you take it out you can fit a day's worth of clothing in there... maybe a stick of deodorant."
Doesn't the E-Tron have a trunk? Was that mentioned? I don't think the Leaf does.
stoic ledge
And for me, the gauge cluster is a big deal. I seriously do not like the speedometer position in the Model 3
night current
I'm a tesla fanboy, but I agree, the speedometer position in the model 3 is bad
Nothing beats a gauge cluster straight in front of the driver
It's less distracting, and frankly easier to look at.
dense shard
I've made my position on the Model 3 screen clear.
fair bronze
Oh no, another Tesla fan
dense shard
wut
fair bronze
Above your message
stoic ledge
Tesla fanboys pogey
fair bronze
"Electric cars are safer!!!"
stoic ledge
Everybody knows Dacia's are the best cars 🙃
night current
fair bronze
Dacia ftw
night current
I mean, it is safer unless the battery goes boom boom
dense shard
nah I don't like relegating most if not all functions to the touch screen.
dense shard
wipers, lights, and HVAC should all have analog controls.
fair bronze
Especially things you need to adjust while driving
night current
Having everything in a singular touch screen sucks
fair bronze
Mhm
dense shard
Poking at a screen in a moving car is bad enough.
Doing it on a TV sized object while driving is worse.
fair bronze
Let alone looking at it
night current
Buttons that have a single function are fabulous.
Isnt the hazard button in the model 3 in the touch screen also? Like, what happens when the screen goes out?
You're fucked.
indigo coral
honestly it was nicer to have it out of the steering wheel for me
indigo coral
they are
fair bronze
Hmm
dense shard
It's an annoying big ass button with a bright red triangle.
indigo coral
I mean in the model 3
indigo coral
I can never find mine despite it being giant and on my center stack LOL
<-- not very bright
stoic ledge
Center stack = best position imho
fair bronze
Agreed
dense shard
Some American cars had it on the steering column.
fair bronze
That seems a bit too easy to accidentally press
Ford had it above the steering wheel which was fine tbh
stoic ledge
Mostly annoying, since you have to go through the steering wheel
Hard to reach in certain angles of the wheel
fair bronze
You can go around the wheel
stoic ledge
Much more difficult then pressing a button on the center stack xD
indigo coral
Literally a giant button on the center stack and I spent like two minutes looking for it 🤦
fair bronze
It seems more cumbersome than it really is
stoic ledge
Going around the steeringwheel? I shall try tomorrow if I can reach the center of the steering column 🙃
Lol falcon, it's the button the closest to the steeringwheel xD
fair bronze
Unless you have to press it all the time I don't really seen an issue with it, but yes, on the dashboard is a better place
indigo coral
I know mk xD
fair bronze
Before the Ford Sierra we had an Opel Kadett which had it like this
fair bronze
It's the GSI model I believe
stoic ledge
Depends, sometimes I use it a few days in a row... On my way to school there's a place which often has a traffic jam out of nowhere, right behind a blind curve. So I turn them on to notify people behind me
indigo coral
They're park anywhere lights
fair bronze
We had a regular one which looked a lot more modest
indigo coral
:)
stoic ledge
Gauge cluster agrees: it's a GSi
indigo coral
MK little funny thing
The RX interior in the picture
Is a 1999
It's got the higher redline
fair bronze
weeeeEeEEEEEEEEE
stoic ledge
feelsBadMan
indigo coral
Oh yeah I hammered a Civic today at a stop light
fair bronze
Not that difficult
indigo coral
Some stupid straight piped fart can thing
yeah was funny
Didn't even come close to flooring it, only made it to ~4k rpm
In 2nd
stoic ledge
I always go to max 4k rpm
stoic ledge
Diesel?
fair bronze
Nope
indigo coral
If you cane it in Pwr mode it'll run up to ~5500 before shifting
If you drive like a normal person it refuses to go past 2800 w/o significant throttle
fair bronze
Well you still got a V6
stoic ledge
Well yeah normal city/around town driving I also shift around 2.5k, max 3k
indigo coral
I wish I could find a Dyno chart for the AWD 99 RX
So I could optimize my driving style for the car
fair bronze
Optimized driving style: s l o w
indigo coral
Balancing between performance (the little that there is) and economy (not very economical car)
fair bronze
No but it must be nice and comfy
indigo coral
It's pretty good in that regard yeah
Just old, so it's got some rattles and stuff that I've not been able to resolve her.
Yet*
Jeez when I got it the balance/alignment was terrible
fair bronze
You definitely notice that while driving
indigo coral
I got that resolved. Balance, alignment, rotation and another front balance 😂
Two tires are worn unevenly but I put them in the back + no issues are showing (cords, rubber separation etc) so they're fine for now
fair bronze
Nice
fair bronze
I hate that the first model IS is so expensive here, would love to own one
They start around €5000 for a decent one
stoic ledge
The Wagon is even cooler, but also even more expensive
IS200 SportCross
1 for sale, €11k
It's a IS300 SC tho
indigo coral
@stoic ledge put a LS in your corsa
stoic ledge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375461451403624471/567119593278013454/IMG_20190211_134126.jpg
You sure? xD
Also: I've seen 400+ hp Corsa's pogey
indigo coral
stoic ledge
2.0T swap, adding a big turbo + intercooler + remap etc
indigo coral
2.0t swap
stoic ledge
2.0T has 240hp from the factory
indigo coral
Tesla swap it lmao
stoic ledge
Oof
indigo coral
S5 = one of the prettiest cars
indigo coral
It's not a fussy design
With like 74727473 cuts and creases
Just really nice xD
I'd buy one but they're expensive
stoic ledge
Get one with the 2.7 diesel and the Multitrauma gearbox Pogey Trouble guaranteed xD
indigo coral
The NA V8 Quattro Prestige from 2010 is still 16k
And id have to get the proper wheels
indigo coral
if the s5 was half that price it'd be a good deal but 16k for an ageing Audi nah
despite how nice it looks
fathom socket
@stoic ledge nice engine :p
indigo coral
gotta get the 4.2 V8 S5 and slap two turbos on it
stoic ledge
@fathom socket thanks, it must be good when it has written "Eco" on it xD
Oof only a 2.0 Turbo
fathom socket
yeah I know like all plugin hybrids 😄
fathom socket
they've got written ECO all over them 😄
stoic ledge
Isn't that like a refrigerator engine in the USA? xD
indigo coral
stoic ledge
LOL
fair bronze
VTEC
fathom socket
@fair bronze that's the only exception
stoic ledge
kicked in 'yo
fathom socket
my mixer has a bigger engine :p
fair bronze
They're good engines though
stoic ledge
Oof those Photoshop skillz
indigo coral
yeah
fair bronze
V8 3000
indigo coral
It's an eco+ V8 w/ vtec
fair bronze
with 24 valves
indigo coral
Yes. 😂😂
fair bronze
I was about to say that lol
indigo coral
lemme grab my surface 1 sec I can do better
stoic ledge
Lol xD
fair bronze
Perfection
fathom socket
😄
stoic ledge
😂 I approve
civic girder
I'm surprised I was even able to run on those plugs
like holy shit, they are toasted
but the leading plugs got so bad that they wouldn't spark at all
civic girder
I had to swap the trailings to leading to even get to school today. Picked up the new plugs on the way, and now it's good to go
@fathom socket that's not the Prius
fathom socket
the volt then? 😄
civic girder
wot
fathom socket
just joking 🙂 the chevy volt is an electric car 😄
civic girder
lol
viral matrix
viral matrix
Changed mine a while ago
fathom socket
na just get a passat and you just add oil never change
civic spoke
Bleh. I need to call my insurance and change the terms.
Since I'm doing a lot more driving now.
eager kite
civic spoke
My car has shot up in miles these past two months.
eager kite
your rate is probably gonna go up a lot
eager kite
Oh man, I didn't realize how inefficient the Mach E was
75 kwh pack only gives it 230 miles
And you only get 115kw charging on it
And that's with only a rear wheel motor
0-60 in 6 or 7 seconds
stoic ledge
The state at least 230 miles + 0-60 <7s, the official results haven't been released yet
Could be higher
civic spoke
Still fine if you're just using it as a daily. With daily charging.
eager kite
that's the epa estimated range
probably will be that or lower in real testing
yea it's fine as a daily, just behind in terms of tech
stoic ledge
It's not the EPA range, it's the targeted EPA range
So the EPA range can still be higher
stoic ledge
We can speculate all we want, it doesn't make a difference until we have the official EPA ratings
eager kite
I'm not speculating
stoic ledge
Having a low target and then exceeding it is a safer bet than having a high target and not meeting it
eager kite
having a low target loses you potential customers
also pushes more people towards competitors like Tesla
stoic ledge
Even with the lower efficiency it beats the same priced Tesla in overall range
So...
eager kite
sr+ gets 240 250 miles of epa range
for 39.5k
sorry 250 miles*
forgot they extended the ranges
stoic ledge
Don't forget the Mach-e's EPA still isn't official, and will likely be higher than the targeted EPA
That's why I said: it's still speculating
eager kite
why is it likely to be higher
stoic ledge
Because it would be stupid for them to go under it
stoic ledge
Why? Idk. That's why I'm stating it's likely to go over it
eager kite
Sorry read the question wrong
why would they not just go at what it's likely to be?
the way the EPA tests the cars isn't forbidden knowledge
and sandbagging your range estimates only pushes consumers away
but even still
say it's like 20 or 30 miles better than their estimates
that still makes their cars way less efficient than Tesla's
stoic ledge
Less efficient, yes. But also it's more likely to compare it to the Model Y based on the shape of the car, and that will be less efficient than the Model 3 I assume
stoic ledge
Inb4 their EPA is 100 miles above their estimate 
eager kite
Ford, even with a generous 30 mile bonus on their estimates, is still at best sitting at 260
and keep in mind that they Y numbers are also estimated ranges
so, that's if we don't give a bonus to Tesla's estimates
stoic ledge
That's why I said: wait for the official EPA results 😉
eager kite
well, no, we can just go off the manufacturers numbers, as it's pretty likely that these companies have tested their cars the way the EPA will test them
and found their ranges to be about what they list them as
which puts Tesla around 30.4% more efficient than Ford
stoic ledge
We shall see
eager kite
man charging times are going to be a bitch on this car...
eager kite
150kw is only for the 100kwh cars
115kw for 75kwh cars
but most of the time you will be charging at 125kw on the 100kwh cars because it's a lot cheaper than the 350kw rate option at the electrify america stations
what's sad too is that it will cost you around the same to charge both cars, even though one has a way smaller pack than the other
cause you're charged by the minute at electrify america stations
and the ratio of charging power to pack size (around 1.5kw to 1kwh) is the same for both
stoic ledge
pogey
Oof exactly 17.000 Model 3's registered in 🇳🇱 this year
On +- 400.000 cars registered, that's not bad
4.25% of the cars
But hey it's free, who wouldn't like a free car
vital glen
@stoic ledge The people who can't afford the car that your taxes are paying for
carmine summit
at least it's 2 months and not 2 years
night current
Hopefully its reliable.
eager kite
I'm skeptical of the long term battery viability of many of these EVs
Like Tesla has proved out that their batteries last for a very long time, and that very few of them have issues.
none of these legacy autos have done that yet
leafs are a good example of what happens to batteries that have minimal battery management systems
stoic ledge
I'm pretty sure Porsche has put in some work so make them work properly
Leaf has the issue that they aren't cooled heated
That has a massive impact on the longevity of the battery
eager kite
sorry, let me put it another way, have a battery management system that is still commercially productive
Like, you could just brute force your way to have long battery life, by having a basic heating and cooling system and a large battery pack so the charging amperage is lower per cell (ie ford, vw, audi, etc)
but, that is an inefficient and bad solution
Tesla has gone the route of having a lot of tech behind their battery management, and it's why they are capable of doing 250kw charging on a 75kwh battery pack and still maintaining longevity
wheat hatch
Yes we get it, Tesla is superior to every car in the industry, we got your point.
eager kite
no I'm not saying that
I just have concerns about the longevity
I don't think they are unfounded either
dense shard
Yesssss. Polestar 1 review.
I think this is the lux coupe I'd get if I had the money.
I wonder why the Taycan delay.
desert glen
Fuckin mint
carmine summit
it'd be even cleaner if you had it professionally buffed and polished
get rid of the orange peel
desert glen
To my knowledge, no professional detailers in my area; or good ones i’ve heard about
carmine summit
ah yeah that sucks
I want to teach myself, my paint isn't very good so I can't really make it worse
desert glen
I mean, there are good detailers nearby
But its expensive
And considering my car is still relatively new, its not quit justifiable
night current
Yeah, I have the same thought process Arial.
Tesla has a pretty good battery management system. I hope other EVs like the Taycan and the Mach-E will be similar, or have another efficient way of maintaining battery longevity.
dense shard
night current
Dude, that Toyota be lookin' mighty fine
desert glen
I envy states that don’t require you to have front plates
indigo coral
^ even tho mines not aesthetic, it's obnoxious cause the car was never designed for it
(that being said I don't think it's enforced, LOADS of cars don't bother with them here)
dense shard
Love my car, and if I am ever required to do plates.
I'll probably do an offset installation to be special.
indigo coral
i've seen lots of ppl just tape it inside their windshield
gaunt otter
weird to think that these brand new "modern" cars are just going to turn up in barns and rust for years to be found later on
today: new nissan volt or whatever
2100: Nissan volt found in barn and sold at auction for $50k
desert glen
I like that manufacturers make the plate mounting solutions as non invasive as possible now
Its just a little divet on my bumper
And the screws thread into the bumper
dense shard
The plates still look ugly.
tropic zodiac
My car (2016 Ford Focus ST) has been in the shop for nearly a month. I was driving, and went over some train tracks and a steep dip at normal speed, (about 40mph.) Didn't see signs or warnings. Well today they tell me they found water in the top of my engine and I probably need a new block. I'm no mechanic... But the coolant channels are below the cylinder walls, and a head gasket wouldn't need a whole new motor right? I think me and my insurance is being scammed.
They also ran my engine without oil because of my cracked oil pan, and I have proof of it. Which I sent to my insurance
tropic zodiac
Yeah it's mighty suspicious to me ...
fathom socket
they ran it dry and blew it and put some water on it to cover their tracks
pretty cut and dried to me
dense shard
Even water in the pistons doesn't mean a new block.
New connecting rods and crank shaft... maybe?
Hydrolocking is a think or whatever it's called.
indigo coral
yeah wtf
tropic zodiac
Okay some backstory. After I cracked the pan, I pulled into a gas station, (I still had oil pressure) but I turned off my car and saw it leaking everywhere
indigo coral
I don't know a ton about car fixing, only basics, but yeah no theyre full of shite
tropic zodiac
dense shard
Sounds like the shop fucked your car.
tropic zodiac
Yup I'm thinking so...
indigo coral
^^^^^
dense shard
And they should replace your engine on their dime.