theyre gonna get hacked
#cars
dense shard
I mean double bad when you try to cover it up... or pretend nothing happened.
indigo coral
yep
dense shard
Not sure which is worse.
indigo coral
Both are bad
I'm surprised that the subs of channels whom nordvpn sponsored are still alive/not losing massive amounts of subscribers
VPN sponsors are just a bad idea all around
dense shard
I mean the channels I follow that were sponsored by VPNs had good reactions imo.
indigo coral
until they get hacked.
dense shard
LTT by just bailing on Tunnelbear.
And Jay just flat out dropped em.
Like immediately.
fathom socket
tunnelbear 
dense shard
Some major company that couldn't guarantee privacy.
dense shard
LTT didn't ask much of Tunnelbear tbh.
I don't begrudge channels for taking on these sponsors.
indigo coral
and yes it was mcafee that acquired tunnelbear
dense shard
The watches/ridgewallets are far more questionable for tech channels tbh.
indigo coral
yeah
or simplisafe LMAO
have you seen the videos on how easy it is to break simplisafe?
dense shard
Well yes. If you want to break into a techtuber's house. Just watch who funded their security.
...
Kyle as an Audi RS3... right?
indigo coral
yes
dense shard
(For legal reasons I'm required to say this is a joke.)
Joking aside. Which tuber has a better car.
Jay, Linus, or Kyle?
indigo coral
Jay has 370z right?
dense shard
A Nismo.
indigo coral
Kyle all the way
dense shard
oh then there's uhhhh
indigo coral
the volt is nice but boring, 370z is ancient, the RS3 is the only fun car in that lineup
dense shard
It's the only car guaranteed to outlast Linus Media Groups.
indigo coral
yeah and bore you to sleep while you drive it
dense shard
And I'm willing to bet money on that. @ linus
indigo coral
idk if i've asked you yet, whats your dream 3 car garage?
dense shard
I don't remember, but
My Corolla, an old manual pick up truck, and uhhhhhhh a SHO swapped Taurus Wagon.
indigo coral
Mine is:
dense shard
After seeing that thing actually exist, I want to build one.
indigo coral
Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition, RS6 Avant, and either a Model 3 Performance, Lexus GS F, or a Shelby Raptor Baja
dense shard
Yeah, I haven't dream big here.
But I'm aiming to attain the old work truck at the very least.
indigo coral
I could reasonably obtain the GS F
lol
in a few years at least
the Model 3 isn't depreciating
so
dense shard
Give it time
indigo coral
I'd love a Guilia Quad but its hilariously unreliable
dense shard
That's why you have a 3 car garage. 😂
indigo coral
well I meant for real
a quad would be utterly amazing but its 1. super impractical and 2. super unreliable
lol
I love love love the paddles and steering wheel of the alfas
dense shard
Yeah, but it's so bad it doesn't make sense in even a 3 car garage.
okay
If I could import a ute from Australia... I'd do that instead of buying a work truck.
dense shard
almost dope
I smoke the tail lights because I like to be less visible.
Otherwise I dig it. lol
fathom socket
http://prntscr.com/psjzsh I took my eyes off the road and looked at that update lmao
fair bronze
I'm tired of Tesla
wheat hatch
Starting to get tired of them as well
stoic ledge
^ metoo
wheat hatch
Pfft, what am I saying.
How can I possible get tired of the best car brand in the world.
Tesla, a car with little to no flaws, is at the very pinnacle of the automotive industry.
With Elon Schlong at the wheel, nothing can possibly go wrong.
After all, Tesla's autopilot is so good that it can even identify jay walking pedestrians, and run them over as punishment.
Truly a glorious car brand.
viral matrix
jagged coyote
winter prep
jagged coyote
high tech funnel i see
jagged coyote
bcs the oil fill cap is a bitch ™
viral matrix
Yep
jagged coyote
that's why you got naked 
still talking about bikes btw
viral matrix
rotund matrix
viral matrix
I don't like naked bikes tho
jagged coyote
even tho at some point i was considering getting a yamaha xj6 diversion f (so with the fairings) if i ever get a motorcycle license
viral matrix
I've been happy with the gsxf since the day I bought it
It's a lovely bike to drive, a bit on the heavy side though, makes it really stable at high speeds though
jagged coyote
idk, i don't really like the big mufflers on the sport/roadster type bikes
under the seat or under the engine looks better
viral matrix
I really like the looks if this one, missing the lower fairing atm
eager kite
Bro honestly I'm tired of ICE vehicles.
Can't wait for the day when I don't get my eardrums blown out by some dick who installed a loud exhaust system.
stoic ledge
^ I agree
viral matrix
stoic ledge
Oof at first I didn't recognize it xD
dense shard
It's kind of amusing that Tesla has passed of vinyl seats as "vegan leather"
I remember cars in the 70s also had vegan leather.
stoic ledge
Yeah, so do Ford F-series in XL trim 😛
(and possibly more commercial vehicles)
Vegan 👀
Funny thing is tho: Tesla's steering wheel is real leather
indigo coral
what do you classify as obnoxiously loud?
jumping back to the remarks about exhaust
eager kite
like when it becomes hard to hear someone talking next to me unless they are shouting.
and yea its a dick who modifies their vehicle to make it that loud, but it's not a problem with EVs or hydrogen cars
And just in general I don't like breathing in exhaust from cars driving by on the street.
vital glen
Then don't breathe @eager kite
carmine summit
sounds like a VW beetle
eager kite
@vital glen great solution
chrome grail
Racecaring my old clapped out BMW that I got for 500$
honda k24, nissan cd009 transmission, aluminum driveshaft, and 750i rear diff. Going to have to check several racing bodies to determine the max turbo size..
carmine summit
probably not gonna be able to run in very many classes with a setup like that
eager kite
dense shard
It's paywalled for me... but the headline says it all I assume?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFX3jN3ahcQ At the end of the day. I almost exclusively follow this guy for my Tesla fix. He's one of the few people to get this excited about something. I like it.
chrome grail
@carmine summit Where I live, circuit racing isn't really a thing. So it's gonna be a drag car.
indigo coral
Bjorn makes good videos
dense shard
Tired or not of Tesla. Seeing a grown man nerd out over this stuff makes me feel happy.
I'm not alone.
fathom socket
Yay reach 328.000 miles
sterile grove
In what?
stoic ledge
Looks like a Hyundai Tucson
sterile grove
My BW beetle had over 240000 when it was totalled
abstract pulsar
Ooof
fathom socket
@stoic ledge yep 2005 Hyundai Tucson
Same engine same transmission and the AC works
It's a 100 percent functional car
fair bronze
It's so boring that it breaks the driver instead
stoic ledge
Check engine light is on pogey
fair bronze
And it's not even a VW
stoic ledge
fathom socket
Hahaha
It's been like that when it show up at 2013
6 years that check engine light is watching you
So yeah we got this car at 4 miles at the dealership and still running
stoic ledge
Excellent
fathom socket
1 owner :3
fair bronze
Probably the O2 sensor or lambda probe
fathom socket
Yeah
Just wish my brother would take it easy on the old car
He makes the transmission slip into gear grr
fair bronze
Oof that's not good
fathom socket
Told him drive Nicely
Because my parents bought this car when I was in 2 grade and now I'm driving at 22 years old
This car is part of my heart
fair bronze
They should be pretty tough though
fathom socket
Yeah
stoic ledge
He makes the transmission slip into gear grr
No automatic? eyes
fair bronze
But I get it when you practically grew up with that car
It's an auto
You can see the D in the picture
fathom socket
I have a stick shift 2014 Hyundai Genesis coupe turbo
6 speed Manuel
Like driving Manuel better
stoic ledge
fathom socket
I'm jealous because my neighbor has this car next to me lol
It's at the car show last year when me and I went there
fair bronze
I like your neighbor
fathom socket
Yeah
He tried to let me drive it and I wouldn't do it because that's a Ford GT mark 4
fathom socket
Yeah
This car has never been driving by other people so I'll consider asking him to take it on the track and I'll drive it
Because it's a race car that's designed to be street legal
fair bronze
I mean, best car I've driven was a Porsche 911 997 and that was already awesome, the Ford GT can only be more special to drive
Even if you don't really get to go fast
fair bronze
Love that car so much
carmine summit
I was so close to actually getting to sit in the GT that won the 24h Daytona
my uncle was an engineer at Ford until about a year ago and after Ford won every type of motorsport at Daytona there was a celebration, he was going to take me but then someone scheduled a meeting and he had to go to that instead
tight cypress
ok
kaas working again somehow
need to adjust valves better and it should be the same as before
night current
eager kite
Twitter
stoic ledge
Ohno
indigo coral
if the truck is anything liek what elon is blabbering about its gonna fail
stoic ledge
Imagine it's weight
indigo coral
ye
and people aren't going to want soem weird ass cyberpunk thing
theyre going to want an electric pickup
stoic ledge
Yes
eager kite
I mean, if it doesn't sell well then they'll just make a more standard pickup
but no reason to not try and see if it works
indigo coral
except the billions of dollars to develop it 😛
stoic ledge
Tesla seems to have an endless amount of money (:
indigo coral
the house of cards is shaky, though less so after their surprise profit
dense shard
Tesla doesn't need a failure now
eager kite
Highly doubt it costed them billions but yea, a good amount of money would had been used, a lot of that still transferable to a standard pickup
indigo coral
You know how much it costs to develop car platforms right...
dense shard
A shitty truck doesn't fit into their vision
eager kite
You know how much Tesla spends on R&D right?
indigo coral
S and X share a platform, and 3 and Y do... but the truck is all new
dense shard
Affordable mainstream EVs
stoic ledge
Probably cost them next to nothing, since they design it, build it, sell it, en then fix the bugs/items which are wrong with OTA updates
indigo coral
customer as the beta tester i guess
stoic ledge
Exactly
indigo coral
theyre gonna need to quit with that bullshit though if theyre going to grow beyond the nerd crowd
eager kite
also, to quote steve jobs
“Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.
indigo coral
Thats super not applicable
eager kite
um, it's entirely applicable to all markets
indigo coral
people want pickups but they don't want an ugly weird, compromised pointy thing
If he is being honest you'll deadass need a CDL to even drive it
eager kite
People don't know what they want until you show it to them.
indigo coral
you saw the reception of the new silverado, that shits ugly and its not been selling well
Okay so you expect Robert, who wants an electric truck, to spend hundreds of dollars getting a CDL so he can go buy a TEsla.
eager kite
what no lol you won't need a CDL to drive it
indigo coral
Or he'd just get a ford.
with the weight and size hes talking about, you probably will
indigo coral
He ltierally said you can fit an F150 in the bed
eager kite
No, that was back at the semi unveiling where they said they could make a pickup with the semi design
stoic ledge
CDL = semi truck license I suppose?
dense shard
Then he worded that badly.
indigo coral
yes mk
eager kite
but that's not the cyberpunk pickup they are talking about rn
no he's made it pretty clear that the mock up they showed at the semi unveiling was just a concept
and there's been 0 news about it
indigo coral
Then all his tweets since then have been bullshit
eager kite
what no?
dense shard
"We are going to come out with the Tesla pickup truck, or we call it ‘Cybertruck’ — I mean it looks like an armored personnel carrier from the future."
indigo coral
hes always talking about the cyberpunk design, the insanity of how big and powerful it is
eager kite
they are for the upcoming cybertruck
dense shard
"You might want to try it. You might like it or might not. I like it. It’s gonna look like it came off a movie set when it goes on the road."
eager kite
Yes, that's what is coming, the cyberpunk pickup
not the weird concept rendering from the semi event
dense shard
"Dual Motor All-wheel-drive powertrain with dynamic suspension, as well as “300,000 lbs of towing capacity.”"
uhhhh
dense shard
If it will have 300k towing... it WILL need a CDL.
dense shard
Anything over 30k requires a new class of license.
dense shard
Also 300k is a bullshit figure.
eager kite
No it's saying that it will be capable of moving that much weight, not that you're going to be moving around shipping containers with it like its nothing
dense shard
Unless Tesla uses the SAE towing standards I will not give them that.
stoic ledge
150.000 kg 👀 Nice for oversized loads I assume... xD
dense shard
They can tow a million pounds.
stoic ledge
Batteries will be dead in .2 seconds
eager kite
sure, on rails where they only needed 25 hp to move the train
indigo coral
if it counts for tesla it counts for Ford
eager kite
yea, so then the Tesla could pull more
eager kite
yes we do
indigo coral
considering hte fuckery he's pulled with Roadster numbers
dense shard
No.
indigo coral
i don't believe him for a second
eager kite
we can do the math and figure out how much HP it would take for a given amount of weight on a track
dense shard
Telsa is claiming something for a product that doesn't exist.
It isn't HP that tows.
Never was.
eager kite
stoic ledge
grabs popcorn 
dense shard
Not sure why you picard gif'd but okay.
Great counter argument.
I didn't know reaction images are valid counterpoints.
indigo coral
TeN ThOuSaND nEwToN mEtErS oF ToRqUe
dense shard
300 million pound feet of torque!
eager kite
dense shard
And Tesla can't realistically tow 300k.
indigo coral
^^^^^
dense shard
The roads can't take it.
That's 3 times more than a semi truck.
Assuming it's loaded at the legal limit.
TIL: There is a 80,000 pound weight limit imposed on semi-trucks in the US.
eager kite
22.5HP required to maintain the train speed that the ford ev f 150 was towing
indigo coral
👍
dense shard
Okay, great.
indigo coral
good for them
tight cypress
meanwhile my kaas cant even do burnout with max gear...
dense shard
So my car can tow a million pounds.
indigo coral
no its forking not lol
eager kite
sure, on a track
dense shard
If Tesla counts it, I count it.
eager kite
wait this is ford counting it lol
indigo coral
your brain isn't fully functional, is it?
dense shard
Tesla is claiming 300k real life figures.
eager kite
citation?
dense shard
I'm sure it can.
You just need to make a million 1 pound trips.
Or fewer if you can afford to tow more than a pound.
100k 10 pound trips?
eager kite
Lol he def didn't say it in 2013
eager kite
but, yes he responded in a tweet thread boasting about how the ram 1500 could only do 12k lbs and that the tesla pickup would do more
stoic ledge
1900 lbs eyes
crisp jolt
as a comparison, I have an 04 escape that can pull 2K lbs
stoic ledge
The Dodge Ram can probably pull way more, but it's not legally allowed to
crisp jolt
assuming the engine doesn't implode
stoic ledge
A V10 Tiguan can also pull a Boeing 747, doesn't mean you're allowed to pull it on the road
crisp jolt
and assuming I connect everything right
eager kite
Again, I don't think that the 300k number was trying to say that it would do that on public roads, rather it would be capable of moving around that much weight at low speeds like on construction sites and stuff
stoic ledge
Only 2k lbs on a 04 Escape... That's not much xD
jagged coyote
tbf to pull a heavy load, you just have to overcome the friction of the wheels, boasting towing capacity is just BS
dense shard
Here's the thing.
Most trucks can tow extreme loads.
That's not the issue here.
The issue is meeting universal standards.
eager kite
Nice think about EVs as well is that you get instantaneous torque from the get go, so even better than normal trucks that don't have max torque at the low end
dense shard
Can it do it under conditions set by the SAE?
jagged coyote
did anyone just see what i said 
dense shard
Until Tesla can do the David Dam test, it's all talk, no do.
stoic ledge
Imagine how fast it will drain it's battery while towing
dense shard
Whelp, my internet died.
eager kite
depending on the trailer and speed
dense shard
Look up Davis Dam test.
eager kite
And the Model X is not super efficient to begin with
dense shard
That is the industry standard
Cause you can get a load started with damn near anything.
But the second you need to go over the Rockies... that's when stuff gets interesting.
eager kite
Bruh, easy for an EV
dense shard
We'll see.
eager kite
Model X could do this towing stuff
dense shard
And not overheat?
eager kite
and it's not inherently designed for towing
dense shard
Everything is stressed in the test.
It's unideal conditions set to call out truck makers.
eager kite
Probably wouldn't over heat as it wouldn't be gunning it like on a race track
dense shard
That's up to Tesla to prove.
eager kite
Sure, but it wouldn't be hard to do...
jagged coyote
on the tesla shop websit we can see a model with a tow package, but i've got no idea if they sell it with the option
dense shard
Hard or not.
jagged coyote
well "tow" more like bike rack
dense shard
It's up to Tesla to actually prove it.
eager kite
I'd be surprised if they couldn't do it
dense shard
Automakers tend to prove their claims. Or get laughed at.
Or in this case have regulations made so they can't bullshit.
jagged coyote
like what's happening at the nurburgring with porsche and tesla
eager kite
Well, that test isn't a regulation
jagged coyote
who can do the best
eager kite
just what the companies are doing
dense shard
It's SAE, something everyone has agreed to.
eager kite
but not required through regulation
dense shard
It allows for direct apples to apples comparisons.
eager kite
Sure
It's a system that manufacturers have been using to do fair comparisons between their products
but it's not required by any regulation
eager kite
I'm waiting for Porsche to go back to Nürburgring with a Taycan Turbo S and see how much better they can improve their time. Right now they are getting smoked by Tesla
dense shard
Until Tesla does the SAE test, I'm gonna assume they're bullshitting.
indigo coral
taycan isn't using an experimental powertrain
tesla is using one that iwll never make it to consumers
eager kite
it's not a production Taycan
dense shard
Ah yes. The Nürburgring. The be all end all test for all cars ever.
indigo coral
in a gutted, stripped car
eager kite
not stripped
indigo coral
with weird aero and stuff.
dense shard
I'm sure my car did it in under 15 minutes.
I'm sure that's good for an ecohatch.
I'm sorry. Ignoring the official not official production not production stuff... Why should I care about these track times?
eager kite
if your complaint of the Model S on the ring is that it's not a production vehicle, you can't then accept the Taycan numbers because it's also not a production car
indigo coral
is the taycan using an experimental powertrain that will never see the light of day?
no?
thought so
dense shard
How wasn't the taycan not production?
My understanding is the Taycan on the track was production trim.
indigo coral
because it had the legally mandated rollcage
eager kite
I'd love for you to demonstrate that claim @indigo coral
indigo coral
w/o a whole new model s its not coming
dense shard
No but seriously. Why should I care about any car's track time?
eager kite
@dense shard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_vehicle
indigo coral
and elon said the model s is unimportant and only being produced for "sentimental reasons"
eager kite
So you doubt what Tesla is saying they will do in the future
eager kite
that's different than knowing they won't do it
dense shard
How wasn't the taycan production?
eager kite
I was gonna grab a let me google that for you link but this was easier
indigo coral
just quit sucking elons dick and realise that Tesla isn't perfect
eager kite
because it wasn't a production car...
dense shard
citation?
eager kite
Bro I agree Tesla isn't perfect
dense shard
And my question still stands.
eager kite
@dense shard not made on production lines and able to be purchased by consumer yet
dense shard
Why should I care?
So a preproduction car.
Great.
So I can safely ignore Porsche and Tesla.
eager kite
Because these are performance cars that people people are interested in
idc if you don't care
indigo coral
Model S is not a performance car.
eager kite
better than a taycan
indigo coral
In some regards.
eager kite
in racing
indigo coral
lol what
eager kite
in acceleration
dense shard
And they're both great in metrics 90% of people don't care about.
eager kite
in autonomy...
dense shard
That track is the automotive equivalent of dick beating.
eager kite
sure
eager kite
fsd isn't 😉
indigo coral
in Europe taycan is by FAR the better car, in the US the Tesla is better
eager kite
features of it do
eager kite
like navigate on autopilot
indigo coral
nice try dipshit thats not full self driving
eager kite
where you know, it will go on ramp to off ramp and change lanes and pass slow traffic and stuff
basically L4 autonomy but with an L2.5 handicap
indigo coral
if tesla can't figure out auto brights, I won't trust autopilot
eager kite
pretty close
dense shard
Let's see... fastest car around the Nürburgring is the Lamborghini Aventador SVJ
So it is the best, right?
indigo coral
It won't be Level 4 for decades
eager kite
cool belief bro
eager kite
It's being artificially handicapped
indigo coral
no its not
dense shard
Much in the same way GPU makers promise the best benchmarks. I ignore em till it happens.
eager kite
yea it is
indigo coral
it does not have even remotely close to the capabilities necessary to be L4
eager kite
Like, literally navigate on autopilot is by definition a L4 autonomous system, just with the handicap Tesla puts on it of needing a driver there to monitor
if they wanted to (and shouldn't at this point) they could remove that handicap
dense shard
Then it's on them when autopilot fails.
Not on the driver.
If the system is as good as you claim it to be.
eager kite
Yea in that situation it would be
dense shard
That means self driving isn't ready for prime time.
eager kite
um
dense shard
And won't be for a while yet.
eager kite
no?
dense shard
A lot of the autopilot crashes involving fatalities could have been avoided if the driver had been paying attention.
If a human driver is superior to autonomous driving, it's not ready.
eager kite
If and when an autonomous system fails, no matter if its 20 years in the future or in 1 year, the manufacturer would be at fault.
A human isn't superior
indigo coral
in some regards humans are superior though. The car can't make situational decisions like a person can
dense shard
But if he had been paying attention, he'd be still alive.
eager kite
there will always be deaths from the technology, what you need to look at is how many less people are dying or getting into crashes in the first place
dense shard
Sure, but we've gotten off topic.
For the time being Tesla's systems aren't considered Tier 4.
Handicapped system or not.
Tier 2 is tier 2.
eager kite
In the 3rd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.34 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.70 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.82 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 498,000 miles.
already more than 8x safer
dense shard
Rarely is.
dense shard
oh?
eager kite
yea, people use autopilot whenever it's handy to do so
dense shard
Even when they shouldn't...
eager kite
if you're stuck in traffic in the city going to work, some people turn on AP and have it ride with the traffic
dense shard
I need to check the statistics in more detail.
eager kite
or if they are going down country roads then they could use it as well
Isn't limited to the highway
dense shard
Here's the thing.
If autopilot is used mostly on highways.
Then the accidents should correlate to fewer accidents.
I'm trying to find NHTSA stats on highway accidents compared to off highway.
The statistics tell only part of a much larger story.
Such as how many cars have or use active safety features.
Cause I'm sure the stats for those are vastly better to those without safety things.
eager kite
for the sake of argument lets say that driving on the highway was 4x safer than driving on average
that would still mean that the AP numbers are more than twice as good as human drivers
dense shard
I'd rather get accurate figures vs "sake of arguement."
eager kite
I'm showing that even with favorable numbers AP is still safer
dense shard
I'm still trying to find NHTSA numbers for highway accidents.
All I'm getting is fatalities.
Though fatalities continue to drop year on year.
halcyon prairie
lmao this shit here
is this person legit claiming autopilot isn't making people safer
and someone else here is claiming navigate on autopilot is level 4
none of that is true
if you've seen autopilot, you know it can, and has, saved lives. but it does fuck up, and that's why drivers need to pay attention
if anyone replies to this, pls @ me
eager kite
@halcyon prairie What I was saying is that it has the capability of being L4 in that it's currently safer than humans at driving, so if Tesla removed the software handicap of requiring a human it would be L4.
halcyon prairie
would not say the current level of self driving is safer then humans, the fsd tests I mean
autopilot only works on well defined roads
eager kite
L4 isn't meaning it works on all roads in all conditions
but that it could be autonomous in designated conditions (ie only on highways w/out snow)
eager kite
So the current navigate on AP software can drive you from on ramp to off ramp, passing slower traffic and changing lanes automatically.
halcyon prairie
there have been some problems with that tho
eager kite
If the software allowed for this feature to work w/out a human in the car, it would be classified as L4
sure, but overall safer than humans driving
halcyon prairie
there's a reason humans are required to remain aware, and it's not just legal
eager kite
it's for safety and pr reasons
halcyon prairie
mostly the first part
eager kite
there will def be crashes with an autonomous system
halcyon prairie
they would start getting lots of lawsuits, it's not ready
eager kite
and it wouldn't be a good time for that to happen with Teslas
halcyon prairie
give it a year
eager kite
mm
halcyon prairie
a year, and l4 will be ready imo
eager kite
I mean yea for it to be an order of magnitude better than humans prob a year
halcyon prairie
tesla has the convenience of lots and lots of miles driven
halcyon prairie
"And that's when Tesla went bankrupt. 2018"
yup very bankrupt
2017 actually
stoic ledge
It goes wrong when people think it's autonomous driving.... it's not. It's an driving aid, and they still need to monitor everything and keep checking there surroundings
That counts for all active safety equipment, also on cars from other brands
Sadly people don't
halcyon prairie
true
eager kite
It's autonomously driving with a human monitor
stoic ledge
It's not
eager kite
But
It literally is
The car is controlling all aspects of driving
The human is there to monitor and take control in the case that the car doesn't know what to do or is going to do something wrong
wheat hatch
@stoic ledge What are you talking about?
Everyone knows that Tesla's autonomous driving is excellent, and that it can drive it self without any human interference.
It's so good, that it drove itself into a tree, and then proceeded to drive over a pedestrian on the way home for good measure.
With Elon Nut at the wheel, soon Tesla's will have flight mode and be able to visit mars in no time.
stoic ledge
The human is there to monitor and take control in the case that the car doesn't know what to do or is going to do something wrong
That's exactly why it isn't autonomous... If it was autonomous you wouldn't have to intervene ever
bitter compass
Autonomous is like a train, you sit down and do whatever you do without interfering with the computer that drives it 👀
wait english failed.
aka autonomous = no more drivers only passengers
and a teslas driving isn't excellent it just works but its an important part of the way to autonomous driving. Tbh if every condition is perfect then it is already better than many humans regarding, caring about rules and signs, speed limits, and especially parking
humans suck at parking
wheat hatch
Yeah I was sarcastic, because I know that every brand has their flaws, compared to some others who glorifies a brand to heaven and beyond.
But yeah, a car isn't autonomous a long as it needs human monitoring, and the possibility for human intervention.
vital glen
@wheat hatch Rong, Elon is god
And Tesla's autonomous driving is fully automous
Trust me
eager kite
It's by definition autonomous
undertaken or carried on without outside control
The car is controlling all aspects of driving without outside control
Only when it fucks up is when there is outside control and it isn't autonomous anymore
stoic ledge
Does it control all aspects? Does it go out of the way of emergency services? Does it wait for trains and give way to trams? Does it wait for crosswalk, bicycle crossings, can it go around roundabouts? Can it work on traffic squares? Does it wait for traffic lights? Does it know who has right of way? Does it know what the speed is on roads based on it's lining? Does it know if it's on a regular road on on an exit? Or if the road coming from the right is a road to give way to, or if it's an exit?
No, it does not. The only thing it does, is driving between the lines, keeping distance, and it can now move lanes.
According to your "definition", a VW Polo is also autonomous because it has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise. So it can undertake without outside control.
eager kite
All the things you listed are required for L5 autonomy
dense shard
L5 is zero intervention under any condition.
eager kite
I'm not saying the car is L5 autonomous at all
dense shard
You couldn't claim L5 without being utterly delusional.
eager kite
What I am saying is that it is L4 with a software handicap
dense shard
And we're all doubting it.
eager kite
Also yes the Polo has an autonomous system
It's not as expansive as Teslas though
What do you think L4 autonomy is @dense shard
eager kite
Ok, so, a tesla when on the highway in AP is a L4 system but restricted to L3-2
south orchid
just bought my first NEW car. its a 2019 ford fiesta
indigo coral
Shieeeet
dense shard
I'm not jealous, but I want to welcome you to the first new car club. You're gonna freaking love it!
indigo coral
<-- never scraped because he has unnecessarily large amounts of ground clearance
dense shard
I don't...
indigo coral
i can roll a basketball under my car w/o it getting stuck on anything
dense shard
Oh well. At least it's underbody damage, not on the door.
dense shard
oh right. I forget you have the lexus
indigo coral
yep, i own one of the most hated types of cars. A compact crossover. 😂
indigo coral
that car has crazy good visibility though
and its super small, so i can fit in most parking spots
dense shard
Remember. Despite all the talk of saving the manuals. Less than 2% of car buyers in the US bought a new manual. I will rub it in till the day manuals are dead around the world.
I'm a 1%. :3c
dense shard
@south orchid deets, manual or automatic... hatchback or sedan?
indigo coral
they made some modifications after the first few cars, like splitting the heated seats into two buttons, adding lumbar support to passenger seat, etc
mine has none of those, implying a very early production. Colour and vin reaffirm this
dense shard
niiiiice
Mine isn't an early production, but she's rare as far as mass market cars go.
indigo coral
the colour is certainly unorthodox but I kinda like it...
its distinctive and easy to spot in a parking lot w/o being arrest-me-red or something
its fantastic quality paint, which is surprising for a 90s car. Thick clear coat on top of a thick colour code, with a nice metallic flake in it
dense shard
Dunno how great my paint is, but I love the color and metallic flake.
indigo coral
aside from where its been scratched and dented by previous owner, the paint is in damn near perfect condition. No peeling, no fading, nothing.
dense shard
Also the color shifting. Black in sun, blue in artificial light, and this brilliant green everywhere else.
I imagine Yeet master's car is quite rare as well.
I think the Fiesta is dying in the US this year.
indigo coral
ye
south orchid
ford fiesta se white automatic trans @dense shard
dense shard
cool beans
I hope it serves you longer than you want it to.
A million plus one. lol
Is it a seden?
indigo coral
pretty much all I'm looking at for a future car is sedans xD
dense shard
whatever works, right?
At the end of the day, the 'rolla hatch is a pure style choice over practical.
indigo coral
i like big performance sedans
GS F, Stinger, E63, v12 7ers, but I don't want an unreliable ageing german car
hence the Stinger / G70 / GS F
rotund matrix
ngl I'd love to have a stinger at some point
dense shard
Can't hate on a Stinger.
Those funky cars have no reason to exist, and deserve to take all of Chrysler's sales.
dense shard
The design is more on the funky side. Certainly not boring.
It looks very low slung. I love it.
indigo coral
Do you like the reflector?
forest harness
fair bronze
Fabulous
stoic ledge
Would rent
vital glen
@dense shard Why didn't you buy a tesla?
dense shard
Toyota is sexier.
eager kite
big think
dense shard
I think the new Corolla looks beautiful.
Telsa less so.
Can't go wrong with that excellent 6 speed.
eager kite
whatever floats your boat
dense shard
Why the salt?
indigo coral
@eager kite I ordered a fully optioned 2020 Leaf E-Plus!
eager kite
what? no salt I just don't agree, but opinions are subjective so whatever floats your boat man @dense shard
unreal terrace
@dense shard cuz it's winter, the salt is to melt the ice 
eager kite
Ice as in internal combustion engine? 
indigo coral
The new leaf is so much nicer than the Model 3
unreal terrace
Hows electric cars for fording rivers and stuff tho
unreal terrace
its a much better car imo
the new nissan leaf, €39.700
the model 3, €66.700
a used BMW M5 F10 €65.000
unreal terrace
in sweden the only price for one i can find is that for 66.700
indigo coral
Rip
unreal terrace
cuz for some reason teslas website doesnt say what their car costs
for the price of the model 3 i could buy 4.125 fiat panda 4wds
indigo coral
huh
unreal terrace
6 if i went for the normal one
wintry sparrow
rgb car
unreal terrace
🇺🇸
eager kite
eh, the leaf e plus is decent
Nowhere near Model 3 territory, but not bad for a cheaper local commuter car
indigo coral
its much better
eager kite
how?
indigo coral
established dealer network, FAR more reliable, better for trips because there's far more chademo chargers than superchargers, more interior space, better driver assistance tech (propilot)
eager kite
Dealers are shit, so I'd say that's a negative tbh
No reliability data bc the car isn't out yet
indigo coral
good luck getting a tesla fixed
people have to wait 6+ months for stupid simple shit
eager kite
Worse for trips because the chademo chargers are lower speed and less common than superchargers
unreal terrace
How are you as a normal person gonna get €26.700 to buy a bigger car tho
eager kite
Idk where you're finding interior space numbers
lol saw it anyway @indigo coral
Worse driver assistance than Autopilot
are you asking me? @unreal terrace
indigo coral
Autopilot is bottom of the pack now days
Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Nissan, they all have more modern driver assistance tech that actually works
eager kite
XD
indigo coral
And doesnt routinely murder people
eager kite
XD
unreal terrace
Anyone reading lul
eager kite
Autopilot is years ahead of everyone else, I don't see anyone else having navigate on AP in their cars
or Smart Summon
indigo coral
Smart summon that runs into things and goes the wrong way down roads, and navigate on AP that cuts people off all the time?
eager kite
hell, I don't even know of one that has just normal summon
indigo coral
Tesla still hasn't figured out auto brights or wipers reliably, and they're years behind in camera tech
No 360deg, front camera, just a shitty backup cam
indigo coral
not that the driver can see lol
eager kite
yes that the driver can see lol
indigo coral
they don't have a 360 deg camera on the screen while you're backing up
Only a low resolution backup camera
indigo coral
You must not have been in many cars.
eager kite
and, the backup camera is super high FOV
so you don't need the side cameras to be patched alongside it
oh trust me I've been in a lot of cars
very few have backup cameras with similar resolution to Model 3 backup camera
and
none of them have as large of a screen as the Model 3
so, you can actually use the increased resolution and display it
indigo coral
mk whatever dude. Good luck with your Tesla that catches on fire, and if that fails, runs you into a barrier, and if that fails, runs you under a fire truck 👍👍👍
unreal terrace
Wheres the Tesla estate w/ towbar tho?
indigo coral
super deadly cars.
eager kite
Lmao, gl shilling for the leaf m8
unreal terrace
Tbh the leaf ain't gonna cut it either
indigo coral
shilling? Lol. If I shill for anyone its the Stinger.
unreal terrace
Like
unreal terrace
How am I gonna fit my wife, 3 kids and my dog in a model 3?
indigo coral
you talk it up to be way better than it is lol, nice try dipshit
unreal terrace
And where does the caravan go
eager kite
would you put them all in a normal sedan? @unreal terrace
like
would you put your wife and 3 kids and dog in a honda civic?
or a Mazda 3?
eager kite
yikes
dense shard
A Civic is massive.
dense shard
Leg room is legit.
unreal terrace
Stilla you must've missed the estate part
dense shard
You can fit 5 adults into a Civic.
eager kite
you can fit 5 adults in a model 3
indigo coral
can fit 5 people into my compact crossover from 20 years ago easily
unreal terrace
And where's my wife's €10.900 panda sized Tesla
indigo coral
Infact, comfortably
unreal terrace
The only people I see driving teslas are legit elderly
eager kite
you live in florida?
unreal terrace
Sweden
unreal terrace
Cuz there's no estate
indigo coral
Model S wagon when
unreal terrace
No ones gonna buy it
Except people who don't have to move stuff/dogs and or kids around
unreal terrace
I.e old people
eager kite
the model y is basically your estate version
eager kite
Model 3 but with a hatchback and more interior space
indigo coral
Green is good, blue one is nasty
unreal terrace
That's what we need
eager kite
if/when tesla makes a station wagon, I doubt it will look like either of those 2
unreal terrace
Why buy a stupid corssover when there's an estate tho
unreal terrace
Rather, why buy a stupid Tesla that doesn't have an estate version on sale
eager kite
I mean, maybe for the slightly increased space...
indigo coral
That green Model S is sexy
eager kite
but if you want more space then the Model X and Y kinda have that already
indigo coral
The blue one is ugly
unreal terrace
Cuz you got 3 kids and a dog that needs transportation
dense shard
Let's not diss estates here.
eager kite
Model X and Y will easily be able to transport 3 kids and a dog
dense shard
This is the cars channel and dissing wagons is not kosher.
indigo coral
I love the 9-5 SportCombi Aero, they made like 5 before Saab went under
dense shard
That would have been fun.
eager kite
I didn't diss estate
dense shard
A Saab 9-5 SportCombi would have been lit.
indigo coral
Absolutely amazing lol
dense shard
Remove that lewdness.
unreal terrace
Corssovers are larger, harder to park, more expensive and use more energy
dense shard
Fuck GM for killing Saab.
unreal terrace
It's more Saab killing Saab
eager kite
I guarantee the Model Y will use less energy than a Model S estate would
dense shard
oh?
indigo coral
Good meme
eager kite
not a meme at all lol
unreal terrace
Why'd I buy a model Y when I can just buy a V90 electric tho
eager kite
Model Y is just a much more efficient vehicle than the existing model S
dense shard
Why would I buy either when I can buy a Corolla Estate hybrid?
unreal terrace
Isn't an EV
dense shard
so?
eager kite
so making the existing model S even more non-aerodynamic by making it an estate would just make it even worse
indigo coral
They need a GS F wagon @dense shard
unreal terrace
Can't also have a towbar for some reason
unreal terrace
Weirdly my fiat can't have one either
dense shard
Well okay. Looking at the underside... the muffler takes up a lot of room.
There's no place to put a tow attachment.
unreal terrace
dense shard
naaaaah
unreal terrace
🤔
unreal terrace
Okay, now that the freemasons are here I'm out 😂
indigo coral
dense shard
wut?
unreal terrace
It's a top gear joke about lexus
dense shard
oh
unreal terrace
Lexus would do great with making an EV
indigo coral
I love my Lexus and would totally buy another (tho a more performance oriented model)
Like LC, GS F, etc
unreal terrace
The only people who buy them are 90 years old anyways
indigo coral
<--
dense shard
Lexus is doing fine with gas engines.
unreal terrace
dense shard
Frankly everything after the LF-A has been a weak sequel.
dense shard
And that's including the LC V8s.
unreal terrace
You're exempt from the 90 year rule 🤣
indigo coral
The LFA is literally the best
unreal terrace
Sucks that my mom's Yaris tows more than that tho
indigo coral
If I was gonna pick a supercar to own I'd get the LFA 100%
dense shard
Not sure what else I'd get.
dense shard
It was one of very few cars that looked as good in practice as concept.
dense shard
nah
indigo coral
Cant really follow up the lfa
indigo coral
true
unreal terrace
They did, they're called lexus
dense shard
There was no history holding them back with other super cars.
indigo coral
do you think it'd be any good if they made a new one?
indigo coral
I find them to be different, LC is a luxury coupe
The LFA is more track/performance/raw
dense shard
true enough
But I find both to be the best of the best as far as Toyota/Lexus are confirmed.
We can argue that the Century is another one, but that's a weird one imo.
Also in memory of my pink Suzuki.
At least a battery replacement is cheaper for my Corolla.
Only like... 100 dollars.
eager kite
dense shard
no less lol than Telsa's valuation.
And what amount of cities exactly?
"huge amount"
unreal terrace
2 cites
dense shard
Also it appears Waymo uses radar as well.
eager kite
@dense shard it's wherever someone owns a Tesla
dense shard
wut
eager kite
so, it's basically all cities in the US and Europe
dense shard
citation?
indigo coral
You're on crack lol
eager kite
Idk I don't have access to Teslas internal data
indigo coral
they literally do
dense shard
Stupid reaction images aren't helping anyone's argument.
If they did win arguments I'd have used a few choice ones.
indigo coral
eager kite
Waymo's cars have similar sensors to Teslas (in terms of data collection)
dense shard
You ever hear the tragedy of Elon Musk the fool?
no
It's not a story Tesla fans would tell you.
Got my prequel meme reference in.
eager kite
also, Waymo maps the entire city that they use their cars in
So, Teslas record a ton of data all the time from the cars, regardless of if AP is on or not
This means they get not only urban data from people driving in/through cities
but also all other kinds of driving conditions that you don't get in a city
dense shard
So Tesla uses you to harvest data... do you have any way to opt out?
dense shard
That they use you or you can opt out?
eager kite
you can opt out
dense shard
", we will not be able to notify you of issues applicable to your vehicle in real time. This may result in your vehicle suffering from reduced functionality, serious damage, or inoperability, and it may also disable many features of your vehicle including periodic software and firmware updates, remote services, and interactivity with mobile applications and in-car features such as location search, Internet radio, voice commands, and web browser functionality."
...
My car isn't crippled when/if I opt out of spying.
eager kite
neither does opting out in a Tesla
dense shard
This may result in your vehicle suffering from reduced functionality, serious damage, or inoperability
My car doesn't have that risk.
eager kite
Yea, if you read the context of that statement you would understand what it's saying
dense shard
I read the context, and it sounds bullshit.
eager kite
the "this" in that sentence is referencing the previous sentence, which states that real time issue notification will not be possible
dense shard
Opting out of data collection doesn't and shoudn't opt me out of updates.
eager kite
what this means is that if there is an issue with the car, they won't be able to tell you about it immediately
which the issue could cause the list of things they mentioned
dense shard
The car should be able to self diagnose any issues.
dense shard
You don't need a cloud link to do that.
eager kite
again, the option to opt out of data collection doesn't cause the list of problems mentioned
dense shard
Then why mention it.
and it may also disable many features of your vehicle including periodic software and firmware updates, remote services, and interactivity with mobile applications and in-car features such as location search, Internet radio, voice commands, and web browser functionality.
So opting out also somehow opts you out of updates.
That makes no sense.
I just don't want Tesla to spy on me.
eager kite
rather, those can be issues produced by problems that Tesla cannot tell you about in real time
dense shard
What kind of issues would they need to tell me that my car cannot?
eager kite
The car will be able to diagnose some issues
dense shard
Why not all issues?
eager kite
because some things require further diagnostics
dense shard
Then go to advance autoparts and get someone to pull a code.
You shouldn't need a cloud link to Tesla to fix your own car.
eager kite
and instead of programing the car to be able to do every single diagnostic on its own, they program it with the likely ones and in the case that it needs more they can wirelessly run them from HQ
dense shard
If I wanted to buy a locked software car, I'd have gotten a John Deere.
They can put all the program codes on the car.
eager kite
There's no locked software lol what are you going on about
dense shard
As they do with all modern cars.