Much less using L+ mode.
#cars
indigo coral
dense shard
ah, found it.
so hold on
The Porsche barely outran the Tesla.
Despite no launch control in the Tesla...?
lol
indigo coral
the Model S is still crazy quick even w/o launch control
indigo coral
So factor in Range Mode, no Ludicrous Plus, and not using launch control, it makes sense the Tesla lost vs the unfair fighting porsche
😛
dense shard
Honestly?
It was close enough.
The Tesla was off the line faster, it was ahead through the first half.
indigo coral
iirc MT hit 2.23s in the Model S
dense shard
More range.
indigo coral
The cars weren't fully charged?
dense shard
Over 85%.
indigo coral
ah
well I bet that MT knows how to actually test a car
its like that Jaguar video lol
dense shard
meh
indigo coral
they used a nearly dead Model X 75d or something against the iPace
I thnk it had like 15 miles of range or something
dense shard
I'm not a huge fan of American car mags.
indigo coral
no this was an advert for the iPace by Jaguar
dense shard
Car and Drive is kinda shit... so by extension so is Road and Track.
MT isn't brilliant imo.
indigo coral
they used to be better
dense shard
Which leaves Automobile in the US... and that's more lifestyle than car reviews.
indigo coral
I want to drive / sit in a GS F 👀
dense shard
Honestly the Model 3 has 3 weaknesses.
dense shard
Sure.
But honestly the paranoia of it getting keyed is keeping me from dreaming about owning it.
dense shard
A lot of people are keying Teslas.
indigo coral
why
eager kite
I mean, it's like 10 cases thus far
indigo coral
just to be assholes?
dense shard
Because they have tiny penises.
indigo coral
the owners or the ones doing the keying 😛
eager kite
and I bet we're hearing about it more than other cars because of sentry mode
dense shard
I can't think of any other reason tbh.
I don't think there are many if any cars in that range getting keyed or vandalized.
indigo coral
i mean the squeaky wheel gets the grease
eager kite
Well, at least you'll get footage of the person doing it
dense shard
I'd absolutely get it wrapped.
dense shard
I'll get footage, sure.
indigo coral
if I buy a Stinger / GS F / G70 i'll certainly get it covered
dense shard
But my car still got fucked by some jerk with a.... complex?
indigo coral
and ceramic coated
dense shard
I'm skipping the ceramic.
indigo coral
why?
dense shard
I don't see a point.
indigo coral
easier to keep clean
indigo coral
wrapping a car is like 7k isnt it?
indigo coral
i had looked into wrapping my plastic as an alternative to painting and it would have been almost 3k
indigo coral
if i bought the vinyl and did it myself it would have been over 1k still
dense shard
No way a vinyl wrap is more expensive than a paint job.
indigo coral
to get enough square footage to cover the plastic bottom halfs
🤷
i have no idea
anything regarding car stuff is expensive
dense shard
7 grand is almost 30% of what my car is worth.
dense shard
I'd be willing to pay 5k at some point in the future.
dense shard
But only if it meant I could do a fun wrap like the old school Martini color scheme.
indigo coral
for example if I get a stinger I might swap out badges but idk
thats still like 100 dollars
dense shard
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/mBeR4/s1/porsche-second-skin-wrap-service.jpg something like this.
indigo coral
I like this one, but I'm not sure if I could ever justify it / if it would void my warranty
its just a lot of money to spend on something thats simply aesthetic
dense shard
I paid an extra few grand for the aesthetics of the XSE Corolla over the SE.
Hell... I could have gotten a Honda Fit, but the styling of the Corolla had me smitten.
indigo coral
its like 50 bucks to upgrade the badge on the stinger rip
dense shard
Lots of Chinese knockoffs to buy.
indigo coral
my car is starting to have exhaust issues -.-
jagged coyote
time to straight pipe 
stoic ledge
^ I approve this message
stoic ledge
civic spoke
I want a house with a garage.
jagged coyote
idk why, but i knew it was gonna be a tesla
fair bronze
It's the shape
wheat hatch
^+1
slim trout
This is going to be E🅱ic
civic spoke
Don't mind me, just cleaning up the place. https://i.imgur.com/P9ynpGp.mp4
jagged coyote
jagged coyote
i don't want to fill at this gas station for sure
stoic ledge
Oof yikes
jagged coyote
he's "cleaning"
indigo coral
Rip
stoic ledge
Only 540 E-Tron's sold? Damn, even in our tiny country Audi sold more of them
indigo coral
Wow
unreal terrace
As expected X)
stoic ledge
iPace sold extremely well one month here, after that sales died again xD
11-2018: 607
12-2018: 2651
1-2019/10-2019: 200
fair bronze
Thank you, government
dense shard
I bet you only a fraction of those i-Paces are still on the road.
indigo coral
what about it?
fathom socket
what you think
indigo coral
are you buying it? 😛
indigo coral
how many cars do you have o.O
fathom socket
2010 lexus es350 1995 lexus ls400 2018 ford f-150
fathom socket
the ls400 has like 8 or so control arms. I've seen exhaust hangers that were thicker
fathom socket
not control arms
what are they called 
strut rod
everyone wants the gs-f so i've seen the rc-f get no love and they're going new off lots with deep discounts
indigo coral
I like sedans lol
fathom socket
same
indigo coral
Coupe isn't practical enuogh for me
fathom socket
idk if i found a honda accord sport coupe with tha v6 and the 5 speed manual in good shape
id knock over an old lady to get it
fathom socket
is it a 6 speed?
I think they had them as early as 2016
yeah 6MT my bad
they had them in 2016
dense shard
Big cars.
If you can find it.
Go for a 07-08 4 door Accord.
They had a manual with the V6 for a short time.
stoic ledge
I bet you only a fraction of those i-Paces are still on the road.
@dense shard what? Why do you think that?
I've checked: so 3.458 I-Paces were originally brought in to our country... And 3.752 I-Paces are currently on the road xD So there have even been imported some more I-Paces (: In total, 21 I-Paces have been exported
bitter compass
evs outsold manual.. waaait the us sells more automatic than manual 🤔
eager kite
bruh basically 90%+ of cars at US dealershits are automatic
stoic ledge
xD Why else do you think manuals are the #1 anti theft device in the US? xD
carmine summit
It's the same in Canada, barely any new vehicles have manual transmissions
On a lot of vehicles that have a manual option it's just that, an option
Autos come standard on pretty much everything
stoic ledge
The last couple of years, autos have increased in popularity here in Europe too sadly enough 😦
Manuals are still the standard choice, with autos an option, but often you can only get the more powerful engine with an auto only
vital glen
@stoic ledge And the same or better milage thanks to cvts
stoic ledge
Not that many CVTs tho
CVTs in the Toyota Hybrids, Ford Mondeo Hybrid, Nissan X-Tronic (but nobody buys those), and now Opel has a new CVT in the Astra which is still a GM design, so the Astra is the first and last Opel with that transmission.... and that are all the current CVTs we can get iirc
indigo coral
Zf 8hp for the win
bitter compass
i never drove an automatic 🤔
only cars i know that are automatic as standard are newer BMWs and and their drivers cant even drive those things 🤷
do you muricans make driving licenses in automatic too?
indigo coral
driving licences are transmission agnostic
Can drive stick or auto w/ the same licence
Manual cars are getting quite Rae
Rare*
carmine summit
it's best to take a driving test in an auto here, you don't need to take it in a manual
there are some things you can lose a lot of points on in a manual and they don't even talk about that in driver's ed
stoic ledge
Driving test in auto = only allowed to drive auto
Driving test in manual = allowed to drive both auto and manual
Atleast that's here in the Netherlands, and if I'm correct in all EU countries
indigo coral
Here it's take it in anything drive anything besides like CDL stuff
That's really dumb btw, the manual auto rule
carmine summit
the system here is kind of annoying
to get your "G" licence you drive anything that a G lets you drive, anything from a Smart car to a Ford F550, manual or auto.
if you pass the test in a small town in a smart car, you can go to Toronto with a 1 ton truck with a trailer as long as it's registered for under 11,000kg
stoic ledge
Oof, here you get a "B" license which is valid for a vehicle combo (including trailer) under 3500kg
Or, you can go over it, but then the car has to be < 3500kg and the trailer can me a maximum of 750kg
pale quest
hmm...
dense shard
That's amusing. I won't be surprised if manuals don't totally disappear by 2025 in the US.
stoic ledge
EVs outsold diesels in 🇳🇱 pogey
stoic ledge
Small diesels had tax credits here in 2010-2014 pogey
indigo coral
Diesel is hella expensive
stoic ledge
Diesel is cheaper as gas here... and they are more fuel efficient
indigo coral
Costs more than the premium plus whatever stuff here
stoic ledge
oof
viral matrix
The diesel itself is cheaper here, but there's an extra tax on the cars
stoic ledge
Road tax is twice as high here on diesels
indigo coral
If you want efficient buy a volt or a Tesla
stoic ledge
And the CO2 emissions tax now go trough the roof
stoic ledge
We don't have the Volt :/
indigo coral
Rip
viral matrix
@stoic ledge diesels have way less CO2 emissions than gas powered cars 
stoic ledge
@viral matrix yes, but the tax is higher xD
I kinda like the Volt
But Chevrolet isn't sold here anymore
viral matrix
It's not the Co2 they're taxing here on diesels
viral matrix
it's the microparticles
stoic ledge
If it could get an EV range of 50 miles in real world driving... it would be sufficient for me pogey
stoic ledge
Here they tax all cars based on CO2 emissions, but depending on the drivetrain the tax per gram of CO2 can differ xD
Oof nice
indigo coral
they run it out every day tho, since their commute is about 95 miles round trip
stoic ledge
Charge it at your destination if you can (: Many work places/offices have facilities to charge cars
50 * 2 = 100 > 95 miles round trip 😉
stoic ledge
And it looks quite nice
indigo coral
ye
stoic ledge
So overall: not bad
stoic ledge
Is the EV powertrain the same as in the Bolt?
indigo coral
no
stoic ledge
Ah :/ I thought maybe it was, since the Bolt/Ampera-e also does 0-62 in 7s
stoic ledge
Ah
indigo coral
Sorry, I had that mixed up
indigo coral
Used is cheaper
stoic ledge
Would be strange is used was more expensive 😛
indigo coral
a 2017 Volt can be had for 15k
with higher miles
well
lots of TEsla Model 3s are still for sale for more than MSRP
Some dealers are asking 200k+ for a Model 3 Performance still, calling it "one of the rarest cars on the road"
LOL.
indigo coral
I sure must have good luck if I can see 5 of the rarest car in the world in a day 
yep
also the toyota dealer near me has the supra in a glass box and won't let you even come see it
rip
they want 1 million
according to them it was like the 3rd one produced for soemthing
or something*
lots of crackheads running dealers here
stoic ledge
I see some nice 2017-2018 Volt Premier models for <$20k with <20k miles on it 👀 Not bad
Calculates import cost
Wtf 1 milion for a Supra LOL
indigo coral
yea glass box too
i bet toyota corporate will bring one to the auto expo next week
ill get to see it then
stoic ledge
Oof nice
indigo coral
im excited
i hvae to suffer thru wisdom teeth removal between now and then thuogh xD
thursday 😬
indigo coral
never had anaestheisa before so oof
stoic ledge
I can't find NEDC or WLTP results of the Volt, and converting EPA to NEDC/WLTP doesn't work for PHEVs/EV w/ range extender GWmythiFeelsBadMan
Ok so some quick calculations, based on a 2018 Chevrolet Volt Premier @ $19k USD:
- Shipping: $1500
_____
- incl. VAT (21%) + import tax (10%): $27.275
- CO2 emissions tax: $1350
_____
Total 2018 VOlt price: $28625 / €25.5k
Yikes
indigo coral
...you have to pay tax on the volt?
while there's no emissions tax on the new Explorer?
stoic ledge
Emissions tax on the new Explorer is ~€700 according my calculations (CO2 emission was given) 😉 Maybe my CO2 emission calculation on the Volt is wrong, idk
Depending on the CO2 emissions tax, it's €24.5-25.5k to have it registered here
viral matrix
Ready for the next summer
stoic ledge
pogey
carmine summit
I don't like when people say diesel is objectively bad because some countries have a tax on it
that's incorrect
yeah, it may be rather expensive in that place, but it's great here
dense shard
Diesel is losing relevance.
Also it's always been more expensive. Especially in the US were the cost of fuel is vastly higher.
carmine summit
hmmm
The cheapest I can get gas here is 98.9 cents/litre, the same gas station has full serve diesel for 99.9 cents/litre
dense shard
The engines tend to be more expensive to produce. Add emissions to that and the overall cost is thousands higher. And with higher fuel costs... they pay off is waaaay down the line.
carmine summit
full serve diesel is 1 cent per litre more expensive than self serve gas
dense shard
It's something like 70 cents per gallon worse in the US.
carmine summit
take my car for example, I get like 9.5L/100km. The same year car with a diesel gets like 5L/100km
and I've never seen diesel that expensive in the US
dense shard
ah I was a bit wrong. Currently it's about 50 cents more expensive per gallon.
Doesn't help gasoline is fairly cheap now, and advances in modern gasoline has really closed the gap on efficiency.
carmine summit
For the past few years my family has driven to Florida or Louisiana for a week or so in March, first time was in a 1996 Golf with a diesel. Cost $250 round trip from Canada to Florida and driving around every day while there
since then we've been taking my mom's 2009 Jetta TDI, it costs about $275 round trip with a lot of driving
actually that $250 isn't to Florida, that's from here to Louisiana to Florida and back here
biggest price gap I saw was like 10 cents/gallon
I'm guessing whatever state you're in has a tax on diesel
dense shard
I live in Alabama.
And in my immediate area the price difference is still pretty dramatic.
Regular is ~2.15
Diesel is over ~2.50
carmine summit
that's cheap
dense shard
That's still a pretty sizable price jump.
carmine summit
most places here are like $1.06/L, that's about $4 canadian per gallon
$3 us per gallon
dense shard
Well yes, the overall price is low.
Which helps the overall cost of diesel even less.
The fuel savings are far lower right now.
carmine summit
diesel and gas are both about $3 gallon here
dense shard
And here it's different.
Diesel doesn't make much if any financial sense in the US for passenger vehicles.
carmine summit
which is why diesel isn't objectively worse, it's only more expensive in some places
dense shard
Define worse.
dense shard
Cause there's also the added annoyance of filling your urea tanks.
carmine summit
worse meaning it costs more to use than gas
carmine summit
and you don't need urea if you have an old vehicle
carmine summit
any passenger car older than like 2012 doesn't have it
dense shard
I thought we were talking about new cars.
carmine summit
Dodge was cheating too, just wasn't nearly as much publicity as VW
dense shard
Dodge got reamed appropriately.
And they didn't sell millions on the basis of their diesel engines being a cleaner alternative.
RAM sold their diesels as the more fuel efficient alternative... which it was.
The recall pissed a lot of owners off since power and fuel economy went down.
carmine summit
if I had to choose between inhaling exhaust from a pre emissions fix TDI and a TSI the same age, I'd pick the TDI
dense shard
I'd choose between neither as both should meet emissions standards.
carmine summit
NOx isn't the only part of emissions, it's the only measured thing though
dense shard
And if someone breaks the law, they should get punished.
Especially when it was done on purpose.
This wasn't an oops.
carmine summit
correct, I'm not saying that they shouldn't follow the law
actually even after the fix the TDIs don't have urea
they just have like 1% less power and the fuel economy is the same
carmine summit
yeah kinda
dense shard
Yeah, I think I'll avoid VW in the future.
carmine summit
I mean the main benefit of the way they did it was cost
dense shard
Between their less than stellar rep, cut rate products in the USDM, and lying to consumers...
Color me unimpressed.
carmine summit
the emissions fix was pretty expensive and put more stress on the cooling system, but it didn't hurt fuel economy or power in a noticeable way
dense shard
That's on them.
They should have developed a better system with more cooling to begin with.
Instead of this.
I would say the only positive was they're now developing electric cars.
But those aren't showing up to be Tesla killers...
carmine summit
Because they cheated, the emissions control was much cheaper to make and the cooling system was cheaper to make. If they hadn't cheated, the cooling systems would have been more expensive, the emissions control would be more expensive, and the whole car would cost a lot more
carmine summit
It was all budgeting and marketing at fault, not just avoidance of emissions control
dense shard
Instead we got that weird shit from the last gen with a solid axle in the back, cheap interiors, and an 8 valve base engine from the 80s.
carmine summit
I mean it's been updated to the point of things not being alike at all
dense shard
VW got the cheapest compact onto the market, at the cost of making a car peopled wanted.
And every year after that, it's been an effort to right the wrongs they made.
Refresh saw a return of IRS, dropping the anchor of a base engine.
carmine summit
All of the new TDIs are 16v, the last 8v TDIs in mainstream cars were in the 2000s
dense shard
This generation FINALLY saw a return to a universal platform... for the Jetta at least.
I'm not talking TDI here.
The last gen Jetta's base engine was a joke.
carmine summit
the 2.0? they're bulletproof
dense shard
And made no power, slow, outdated boat anchors who couldn't justify existing because their fuel economy wasn't great.
carmine summit
115 hp isn't that bad
dense shard
It's pretty tragic in 2011.
The Corolla at that time made more power with a smaller engine.
carmine summit
they're bulletproof reliable though
stoic ledge
Oof did they still use the 2.0 115hp in 2011? 👀
dense shard
yeah
stoic ledge
Nice
dense shard
lol
Then VW introduced that gen of an engine. The 1.8T.
Then dropped it a few years later for that 1.4T.
carmine summit
I'd be willing to bet that as long as those 2.0s have proper maintenance, they'll last for at least 300k miles
dense shard
Yes, but so does the competition.
Why would I buy a slower, weaker, less efficient VW, when I can do better with the competition?
dense shard
It's a USDM VW.
carmine summit
and your point is?
stoic ledge
Yeah it doesn't have the super ultra mega premium soft touch dashboard on the US models
dense shard
Or independent rear suspension.
stoic ledge
Base Golfs here don't either Pogey
dense shard
The last gen Jetta was an exercise of denying the US market a good compact sedan.
In a bid to gain more market, VW screwed over previous owners by introducing meh products.
stoic ledge
We also got the previous gen Jetta.... as a hybrid due to tax incentives
dense shard
They cut corners, and gained nothing from it.
carmine summit
the Jetta can hardly be called compact
stoic ledge
Yell yes, that's the car hierarchy xD
dense shard
Mind you the Civic wasn't great throughout the early 2010s.
stoic ledge
+- 2010 US Civic is different from the EU Civic 😄
carmine summit
what's so bad about having a rear beam instead of multilink on a passenger car anyways?
indigo coral
why would people buy a vw Cause its a vw
stoic ledge
Better handling
indigo coral
vw isnt a cool nor fancy brand
carmine summit
there's no noticeable difference in handling or comfort for the average consumer
stoic ledge
People still associate it with reliability here, even though the last 20 years they haven't really been that reliable xD
dense shard
And yet Toyota moved to an independent rear suspension for the new Corolla.
dense shard
Beam axles in this day and age are associated with cost cutting.
stoic ledge
1995 VW TDI's will run forever
dense shard
Mazda I test drove didn't feel that great tbh. Felt like it was dragging it's rear around.
stoic ledge
All the stuff that came after it... nah
carmine summit
Beam axles aren't noticeably different to the average consumer.
indigo coral
isn't the dsg kind of a crap gearbox?
stoic ledge
Yes
carmine summit
nah the DSG is great
dense shard
Guess I'm not an average consumer.
stoic ledge
Depending on the type os DSG
indigo coral
comparing it to a PDK
dense shard
And in this case consumers aren't exactly rushing to buy the Jetta or the new Mazda 3.
indigo coral
???
stoic ledge
Wet clutch is ok, dry clutch is shite
indigo coral
PDK is pretty much the best no?
dense shard
slushbox > Dual clutch autos
stoic ledge
I prefer slushboxes ^
carmine summit
Yeah the PDK is basically the best when it comes to autos, some of the DSG transmissions can almost match a PDK
dsg is a vw term
dense shard
It's a catch all as far as I'm concerned.
stoic ledge
Audi S-Tronic is the same
dense shard
DCT, DSG, Powershitshift.
indigo coral
inb4 a 4 speed from 1999 is more reliable than the crap ass dual clutch from ford
dense shard
How can you tell the Focus is a euro car?
stoic ledge
Who remembers the Audi Multitronictrauma
carmine summit
old stuff is reliable because it's simple, the less there is to break the lower the chances of something breaking
indigo coral
trust me the 99 rx doesn't have a reliable trans
stoic ledge
Tbh I haven't seen an auto Focus yet glare
indigo coral
mine feels fairly good right now but lots of people have it fail at like 80k
stoic ledge
Or..... literally 0 people bought them because Ford manuals are quite good
dense shard
and cheaper
indigo coral
infact the last few days, whatever adaptations the ECU did, has made it feel much more powerful and shift smoother
carmine summit
maybe it's because Europeans are smart and don't need the car to do the driving for them
dense shard
Still amused that if/when manuals are offered, they are cheaper.
indigo coral
sounds like a load of bullshit but its clearly very different than it was last week
carmine summit
manuals are cheaper to build, therefore the consumer can pay less
dense shard
Too bad most automakers relegate manuals to bargain bin specials.
indigo coral
normally 4 -> 2 is a big shock to the car, if you really plant it
its actually been quite smooth
recently
dense shard
Choices boiled down to Subaru, Toyota, and Mazda for me.
indigo coral
i have literally no idea what changed
stoic ledge
Manuals are cheaper because they are less complicated to build
@indigo coral Didn't your car sit for a longer period of time before you bought it?
indigo coral
not really
stoic ledge
Ah, my bad
indigo coral
it was driven, but not fast/hard/long distance
stoic ledge
I thought it did
stoic ledge
Shorter distances might have something to do with
stoic ledge
I know we had a Corsa Auto... and it adjusted itself to the way you drive over time xD So maybe your driving style made it more alive
carmine summit
you wanna talk auto? my dad's second car was a Chrysler Newport with a 3 speed auto
it did 85 MPH in first gear
stoic ledge
OOF
indigo coral
mine adapts too
dense shard
lol
indigo coral
when I got it from 86y/o guy if you stepped on the gas it would bog down real bad
because he never ever laid into it
dense shard
My Suzuki was an auto.
indigo coral
so I reset the ecu and its been better since then
indigo coral
i swear the last few days it's felt more like 260hp than 200
carmine summit
my car has 90 hp and feels like 95 ish
dense shard
Car in the 2000s with an engine out of the early 90s.
indigo coral
technically i have 220 but meh
dense shard
That one had 60 horsepower.
indigo coral
its old so it probably lost a bit
carmine summit
define old
carmine summit
yeah that's old ish
indigo coral
it doesn't FEEL 20y/o
carmine summit
20 isn't that old
indigo coral
probably more like 10y/o
carmine summit
I see 20 year old cars all the time
stoic ledge
The Corsa auto we had was a 2003... and well it was an "auto". Opel offered 2 types of autos, a slushbox or a robot manual. Everybody got the robot manual since it was cheaper, lighter and had a gear more.... but it was a single clutch auto/a manual controlled by a ECU. So it wasn't the best transmission.
However, they did bring the automatic to the cheaper segment which was quite nice, only like €500 more compared to the manual where as the slushbox was like €3k more
indigo coral
yes but its old enough to have lost some hp
stoic ledge
Get your RX one of those OBD tuning thingies /s
stoic ledge
I know
dense shard
Just pour in some of that compression restore magic oil stuff.
Could just be some lost compression over the years.
indigo coral
are those bad for the car? there's a teeny bit of a oil leak that could be resolved by the seal-fix stuff
its not bad at all
never hit the ground
carmine summit
if it's not dripping it's fine
dense shard
Never heard anything bad about it tbh.
carmine summit
having oil on your car is good for it
indigo coral
only way I'd fix it is it if actually starts leaking
carmine summit
my car has a leak that isn't really a leak but sometimes I smell oil burning off the exhaust manifold
indigo coral
my car burns a little bit of oil just through old piston rings i think, but again its minimal enough that its not worth fixing
went from high mark to mid/low mark on the dipstick over like 2500 miles/3k miles iirc
not dreadful
carmine summit
I think my car has an oil pressure/level warning
dense shard
That's... a quart?
carmine summit
a d v a n c e d technology
dense shard
All cars have an oil warning light.
indigo coral
not enough to bother tearing down the engine to fix
carmine summit
no I mean I think my car has a buzzer
dense shard
That's still a hindsight feature.
carmine summit
I was making a joke
indigo coral
its like 24 bucks for 6 quarts of synthetic 5w-30 oil at costco lol
dense shard
yeah
carmine summit
I only buy high quality oil, usually Pennzoil but I'm thinking about ordering some Liqui-Moly
dense shard
Used to buy Castrol, but I think only Mobil makes my oil.
stoic ledge
I have a can of Dexos2 5W30 here, since both of the cars use the same oil
And the stealership uses the same oil
It's even GM branded xD
carmine summit
gotta give my carbureted distributor ignition engine the best oil I can get
indigo coral
i use synthetic, which ive been told is bad, but fuck it. it lasts longer
dense shard
It's usually not recommended you change high mileage over to synthetic.
But that's something I've heard years ago. Probably no longer relevant.
indigo coral
apparently you're not supposed to use synthetic in anything over 3 years old
or so I was told
carmine summit
the only disadvantage of synthetic is that it's more expensive
dense shard
Because seals can maybe shrink.
indigo coral
it burns less with the newer oil.
carmine summit
there's no reason to use conventional oil if you can afford synthetic
indigo coral
When I got the car it had normal oil in it and it burned a lot more
with synthetic its much less
carmine summit
The synthetic probably has some additives that help with that
dense shard
Never had issues with conventional oil.
carmine summit
yeah but synthetic is objectively better
dense shard
But now that I don't have a choice... well... on to synthetic I guess.
indigo coral
another reason for me to use synthetic is that the 1MZ-FE has big problems with oil sludge
hence the recommended 2500-3000 oil change intervals
with synthetic thats mitigated
so
5k
dense shard
ouch
indigo coral
😄
dense shard
I'm looking at 10k intervals.
indigo coral
synthetic doesn't sludge up like conventional does
so i feel better about using
it
tonight I need to make the wrench in our printer to change my oil
i'm a little bit overdue
carmine summit
see if there is a larger oil filter that fits your car, the right filter for my car is tiny but I know the part number for a filter that's like 3x the size
indigo coral
i can't put a bigger one on
carmine summit
no room?
indigo coral
yes
carmine summit
yeah that sucks
indigo coral
i'm having to make a custom wrench to even get to it
its hidden underneath the exhaust manifold
dense shard
oh lovely
indigo coral
you can't get to it from the bottom
dense shard
Just like Honda.
indigo coral
the lexus prescribed manner is to take off the radiator and front bumper stuff to replace the filter
indigo coral
we're making a wrench to just reach under the manifold to get to it
nah its stupid as hell
carmine summit
there's so much room in my car but the oil filter is in a kind of awkward spot, there's a crossmember right near it
indigo coral
3d printing ftw
dense shard
I had to take the tire off my car.
But it worked.
I have no clue how to replace the filter in my Corolla tho.
They went ham on the aero shielding.
carmine summit
yeah Toyota tends to do things like that
dense shard
Made for great fuel economy.
carmine summit
worked at a body shop for a few months through school and I didn't like working on Toyotas because there was so much plastic that was basically a puzzle
indigo coral
Lol aero was not a priority on my rx
dense shard
I mean aero didnt' become a thing till this generation.
carmine summit
my dad's 2002 Jetta has some aero stuff underneath
carmine summit
VW has always been ahead on a lot of technologies
undertrays since the late 90s, engine stop/start since the mid 80s, etc
dense shard
I'm just happy Toyota went with dual injection for the new 'rolla.
That made my purchase decision easier.
indigo coral
I lowkey wonder if the GS F is a decent sedan
indigo coral
Should be hella reliable considering its an big, low stressed, NA V8 and no awd funny buisness
stoic ledge
engine stop/start since the mid 80s
Did they 👀 Cool, didn't know that
carmine summit
MK2 Polo Formel E
dense shard
...
carmine summit
supercharged 2 cylinder diesel with engine stop/start
dense shard
So skyactiv-X when...?
indigo coral
skyactiv X is the one with SPCCI isn't it?
indigo coral
musk at least eventually delivers
dense shard
touche
indigo coral
even if its 3 years late
carmine summit
skyactiv-x has been coming for like 3 years
stoic ledge
Ok that's a cool piece of trivia, the Formel E. Didn;t know that
SkyActive-X can be ordered as we speak iirc?
carmine summit
yeah then the MK3 Golf Ecomatic was a 1.9 diesel with no turbo, engine stop/start, and a clutchless manual
indigo coral
don't think so
i thought just recently it was in some special mazda 3
and cost like a million dollars
dense shard
I think the new Skyactiv-X is available in only a few markets.
carmine summit
my mom used to drive a 1991 Golf with a 1.6D, it wasn't fast but it was more reliable than anything else and used like 0 fuel
fair bronze
It's more about the torque though, and old cars like the Golf tend to be light
stoic ledge
We can order the SkyActive-X
indigo coral
just like tesla priced the model 3 out of relevance... is it something with the number 3? lol
dense shard
I mean the Model 3 is selling.
indigo coral
"35k"
dense shard
I think Tesla is either matching or outselling Mazda.
carmine summit
They've been selling since before they were in production
dense shard
That was annoying.
indigo coral
they're still fucking with the prices
dense shard
I don't count special order direct from Tesla.
carmine summit
the Model 3 trunk doesn't have a raintray lol
indigo coral
ppl who bought the performance when it was new are pissed as hell
paying almost 80k, now its mid 50s
fair bronze
I'm honestly kinda bored with Tesla
stoic ledge
^ metoo
fair bronze
I loved the Model S back when it was first revealed (about 10 years ago)
Even had one as my wallpaper
dense shard
To think.
fair bronze
Now they seem quite boring to me
dense shard
The Model S is still better than the Taycan.
indigo coral
Imo the front is decent, headlights are stunning, the ass end of the Model S is perfect
fair bronze
It's really good looking but getting a bit old now
dense shard
booooo
indigo coral
during earnings he said theyre not important to the company
fair bronze
To save money of course
dense shard
Yeah, but they're flagship products.
indigo coral
yte
dense shard
That being said the Model X wasn't exactly a raging success.
civic spoke
That thing is ugly
indigo coral
its not too bad
fair bronze
It's a blown up Model S
indigo coral
and only sell the 3 and hte Y?
civic spoke
Yeah.
indigo coral
i dont think thats a very good plan
dense shard
There'll be a new roadster soon.
indigo coral
they need to refresh the S/X
dense shard
And the pickup truck.
civic spoke
But isn't the Model S getting Plaid and that stuff?
indigo coral
pickup truck will be a total failure
dense shard
That's a 4 car line up.
civic spoke
I know the current Plaid stuff that we have seen is very likely the test platform for the Roadster.
carmine summit
Hopefully people realise the electric F150 is actually good and buy them
indigo coral
the new explorer is absolutely terrible lol
i listened into part of their earnings call, warranty costs tripled with their new products
carmine summit
I bet if I walk outside I'll see 6 F150s in under 30 seconds
they're gonna make the electric F150 good so it sells well
fair bronze
Ford isn't exactly an expert on electric cars
carmine summit
I'm sure they're planning to make the electric F150 have a long range, high towing capacity, and be affordable
dense shard
Ford only puts development and effort into the F150
carmine summit
the more of them they sell the more money they make vs. the regular F150
dense shard
We'll see if Ford hits affordable.
stoic ledge
Yes pls, bring me a EV pickup truck: due to no CO2 emissions they will be cheap AF
dense shard
Cause current prices of pick up trucks pushes "affordable"
indigo coral
your govt will find a way to make it expensive mk
fair bronze
Actually no
carmine summit
as far as trucks go I mean, it's not gonna be a $100k f150
fair bronze
Loopholes, loopholes everywhere
carmine summit
I'd guess probably $50k CAD for an electric F150, base price is around $33k CAD
at that price it would sell really well
cheap to run, lots of torque, and it's still an F150
fair bronze
Yeah keep dreaming
stoic ledge
Price here will (for now) be US price + VAT + import tax, so basically US price + 33%
dense shard
It'll have torque...
I can't see it being cheap.
How will they fit a battery pack into a ladder frame?
fair bronze
It will need lots of batteries to be somewhat usable in the US
indigo coral
charging network 🤔
fair bronze
It is a very inefficient vehicle
dense shard
It's supposed to be an electric F150.
carmine summit
It's easy to fit batteries in an F150, they're not small
dense shard
They're not small, but they weigh a lot.
carmine summit
All that space where the fuel tank(s) would be
dense shard
And people will want to tow with an F150.
carmine summit
No engine so there's room there
stoic ledge
1 small drawback to make it liable as a "car" here: it needs to be < 3500kg xD
dense shard
A Tesla battery pack is radically bigger than a fuel tank.
fair bronze
Space isn't the issue, efficiency is
dense shard
I think weight will become an issue with pick up trucks.
carmine summit
Actually only like a quarter of F150 owners actually tow lol
dense shard
And the quarter that do need to be taken into account.
You design a truck for the small use case, not the lowest common denominator.
If an eF-150 can't tow a full load 500 miles... will anyone want it?
Where will they charge?
civic spoke
I'm allowed to drive cars that are >3,500 kg's 😄
dense shard
How fast will it charge?
stoic ledge
Cars over 3500kg here are registered as commercial vehicles and/or semi trucks xD
dense shard
The F150 is marketed as a work horse. Regardless of how it is used.
It will be expected to perform.
carmine summit
Yeah, but gas is still an option for people who want to tow. Electric for the guy that lives in the city and brings home his brand new barbecue in it, gas for the person that tows a car regularly
civic spoke
What happens with the hauling capacity if you add all of those battery cells to a truck?
dense shard
Then the truck will fail.
Cause why get an eF150 when I can get a Tesla truck or Rivan?
civic spoke
I did three 17 tonne hauls today.
carmine summit
Because the F150 won't be $90k.
dense shard
We don't know that yet.
civic spoke
Total weight of 28,000 kg for each with the truck.
dense shard
Ford has been mum on the pricing... or how it will even work.
Ford has been mum on anything new.
carmine summit
I live in the part of the world that buys the most F150s
dense shard
Texas?
fair bronze
So you should know better then
dense shard
Pretty sure US proper buys more F150s.
carmine summit
Per capita we have the most
dense shard
That changes a lot with that caveat.
carmine summit
The F series has been the best selling truck here for well over 50 years
carmine summit
I think the F150 is the number 2 best selling vehicle in general here
dense shard
Depends what metric you use.
carmine summit
#1 selling vehicle in Canada in 2018
145,000
To put that in perspective, that's almost 100k more than the Corolla
dense shard
There's a 100k suckers born each year.
carmine summit
People here like F series trucks, an eF150 would sell no matter what
stoic ledge
Ok a 2019 Raptor as passenger vehicle is €213k in 🇳🇱 Pogey
dense shard
oof
fair bronze
Yeehaw 🤠
dense shard
You aren't missing much.
stoic ledge
I kinda like them xD
fair bronze
I like the Raptor too, they can do pretty much anything
stoic ledge
As a commercial vehicle, they are "only" €100k tho xD
carmine summit
I'd consider buying a Raptor if I had the money, but not as a daily driver
stoic ledge
If something is overprice in the US... it's even more overpriced here
Fact
Ford Mustang GT? Ah yes, that's €120k please
dense shard
It's a 10 year old platform being sold as new hot stuff in the US.
carmine summit
Base Raptor here is $77k CAD
dense shard
Problem is you can get a better deal on a full size truck.
And the bigger truck will likely be more fuel efficient.
cloud wraith
Don't even get started i live in denmark where taxes on the car cost more than the car
carmine summit
Yeah but can a stock full size truck carve dunes? Didn't think so
dense shard
And a full sized truck will haul more, looks nicer, and use less fuel than the Ranger.
stoic ledge
Iirc Denmark Car taxes are roughly the same as Dutch car taxes?
stoic ledge
Portugal is also expensive af, and 1 Scandinavian country (idk which one exactly)
carmine summit
Close enough, just some small changes
dense shard
It's a new generation.
carmine summit
Basically the same architecture though
cloud wraith
@stoic ledge What is dutch car taxes? In Denmark its a little over 150 percent added to the cars price
carmine summit
oof that's a lot
stoic ledge
It's based on the cars emission, so it varies
carmine summit
We pay sales tax + licencing and it's like 13% of the car's cost plus ~$150
fair bronze
I'll give you a nice example
stoic ledge
Ok so a Danish Astra 1.0T is 179.990 DKK, which is €24.089,41. Dutch Astra 1.0T is €24.299, so it's rougly the same
fair bronze
Nissan 370Z
Germany: €35.000
Netherlands: €110.000
cloud wraith
@stoic ledge yeah ok still crazy high in Denmark.
stoic ledge
Yeah it's high, but rougly the same as here xD
cloud wraith
it's really annoying tho.
fair bronze
It sure is
stoic ledge
Yes it is (:
carmine summit
All taxes on cars are annoying
Here if a car is over 20 years old you need a valuation appraisal to transfer it, most appraisers value it low for you so you don't pay as much tax.
fair bronze
All taxes are annoying but they're necessary
carmine summit
Taxing a car every time it's transferred is unnecessary
fair bronze
True
carmine summit
Makes sense on new cars, but why should I pay tax on a car that's been transferred 15 times and taxed every time?
stoic ledge
Here you only pax taxes on a car the first time it's registered (and then road tax every month)
cloud wraith
@fair bronze Why are car taxes that cost more than the car necessary?
carmine summit
Taxes in general are important, stupid taxes are stupid
fair bronze
Mhm
carmine summit
Although stupidity should be taxed
I like the way the government here implemented a carbon tax
You pay whenever you buy fuel, but get a set tax return based on the size of your household
So the people that daily drive 1 ton trucks wind up losing money, but the people that don't drive often get more money back than they were taxed
indigo coral
really?
here if you sell a car private party you write in whatever tf you want
no appraiser necessary
carmine summit
I live in Canada, so it's possible
cloud wraith
yeah ok
civic spoke
Saw this today.
carmine summit
Just get a president and a house that acknowledges climate change
dense shard
what, naaaaaahhhhhhh
civic spoke
dense shard
Live in the now, screw the immediate future!
cloud wraith
not because america is that bad but i've been there a few times and some people (not all) Could use a reality cheack
cloud wraith
@civic spoke whats about that?
fair bronze
That's a low taxi
dense shard
When I park my Ford F-teenthousand I leave a brick on the accelerator because hell yeah 'merica.
cloud wraith
oh it's lowered
dense shard
Yes, we get it.
cloud wraith
stop ffs
dense shard
It's a slammed Merc.
carmine summit
Let me guess, your discord broke
civic spoke
WTF. I'm not trying to post it several times
fair bronze
civic spoke
Likely the case.
fair bronze
Yes okay
carmine summit
Discord 🅱️roke
dense shard
nice
civic spoke
But that color was just terrible
carmine summit
Probably dirty
civic spoke
Like a cream white
carmine summit
With cool wheels it'd be a lot better
civic spoke
They use E classes as taxis here as well.
carmine summit
Some bronze powder coated Rotiforms would make it cool
stoic ledge
Yeah but that is the mandated Taxi color in germany
fair bronze
Like a yellow cab in NYC
civic spoke
Oh, it was an import
stoic ledge
Ah there it is
carmine summit
There's nothing like that here, you have a taxi company and paint your cars green? Good for you
stoic ledge
fair bronze
There are more countries that have that
civic spoke
I looked it up. And it was imported back in 2017
carmine summit
discord broke again
stoic ledge
Oof and there it is again
stoic ledge
Dutch taxis have.... blue licence plates xD
carmine summit
We have Ford CV taxis, Dodge Grand Caravan taxis, Toyota Corolla taxis, and some cheap companies have Chevy Astro van taxis and 90s Chevy Impala taxis
stoic ledge
Diplomatics have yellow plate just like us regular folks , but starting with "CD"
carmine summit
Don't buy used taxis here
fair bronze
Most of them are E-classes and Teslas now
carmine summit
The other day I saw a Chevy Impala taxi with so much body roll he spun a tire cornering normally
stoic ledge
Or Prius, Vito/V-class, sometimes even a SsangYong Rodius xD
Or a Skoda Superb, passat... Really everything xD
carmine summit
Skoda makes some neat looking VWs
carmine summit
Yeah, but cheaper in more ways than one
stoic ledge
With the same technology
carmine summit
I should import an Audi 50, they're cool and there's a grand total of 2 in North America
carmine summit
It's just a fancy MK1 Polo
stoic ledge
Yeah I know xD
stoic ledge
Oof nice
I can't really find the car in our database, probably under some weird name
Not even onder Typ 86
If my database skills are right, we only have 7 of them left on the road
eager kite
stoic ledge
It's no production car
eager kite
not yet*
dense shard
When it hits production I'll acknowledge it.
Then again I imagine a stock Model S could keep up.
But a Model S can now beat a Taycan. Can't deny that.
Hopefully this prototype is a test mule for a new platform.
flint sable
When the used car your dad is about to get is classified as a lemon because the tire pressure monitor had to be fixed twice
flint sable
i'm hoping for it, hard to get it financed, 2011 BMW X5 M
fathom socket
indigo coral
mood
dense shard
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dense shard
A bigger oof than Tunnelbear.