cars

[fair bronze]

How many people here actually own a Corsa lol

Nice wheels btw

[viral matrix]

Idk, not my corsa

This is mine

[unreal terrace]

I just figured out why the gearing and engine in the 320i are so odd, you can easily 40kph in 5th gear

[viral matrix]

You shouldn't tho

[stoic ledge]

Corsa = best car pogey

[viral matrix]

Wish I could say the same

[unreal terrace]

It'll probably do 30kph but then it's idling basically

I'd change below 1000rpm and then it's like 35kph

[indigo coral]

I can do 100kph in 2nd gear 😄

[unreal terrace]

Driveability of my fiat is pretty crap compared nto my gfs 320i 😂 I get why most folks get diesels and automatics

[fair bronze]

Petrol + manual ftw

[unreal terrace]

Ye lul

My arm and left leg hurt after long drives in the fiat X)

[fair bronze]

It's called training

No need for the gym

[stoic ledge]

My leg never hurts after long drives

[fair bronze]

For me only when I drive something without cruise control

And then only on really long drives

[carmine summit]

Manual is fun

I haven't tried it yet but I can probably get to 90 km/h in 2nd gear in my car

[indigo coral]

my arse hurts before my legs on long drives

(long meaning 4+ hrs)

Which is pretty weak lol

[fair bronze]

But you've got a granny car, it should be comfy

[indigo coral]

Foam or whatever might have gotten a bit squished over 20 years

Idk

[fair bronze]

True, seats lose their shape when they're old

[stoic ledge]

That's why church benches as car seats are the best: they don't lose their shape

[fair bronze]

Your butt does

[stoic ledge]

Lol yes indeed

I do notice the difference between the drivers seat and the passenger seat

Passenger seat is harder since it's been used much less

[dense shard]

Oh bench seats lose shape.

And in older cars they start to sag like an old crappy couch.

[stoic ledge]

No no, actual church benches xD

[fair bronze]

"Hey Turbo Yoda, you think this would fit my Honda?"

[vital glen]

I can't even think how he would respond to this genius question @fair bronze

[eager kite]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2019/10/27/tesla-model-y-will-kill-the-crossover-competition-heres-why/amp/

[indigo coral]

Model Y is just a lifted Model 3 lol

[vital glen]

yes

[dense shard]

That is the idea.

Doesn't look that great.

[eager kite]

I mean it also has a full panoramic roof, a hatchback instead of a trunk, optional back seats...

it's not "just a lifted Model 3"

[dense shard]

It's supposed to be built in the same platform.

Assuming Tesla is not putting their pants on their head.

[stoic ledge]

3rd row seats with that roofline GWmythiBlobLUL no thnx

[heady ridge]

3rd row seats with any roof is a nope they take up valuble space

[vital glen]

@dense shard Elon is the type of person to do that

[indigo coral]

3rd row in our SUV is pretty functional actually

[dense shard]

As long as the 3rd row is actually usable.

[indigo coral]

(and easily folds flat)

[eager kite]

It's using the same platform, but they are making some changes to it

75% similar components between the 3 and Y

[dense shard]

" The optional third row of seats will reportedly cost $3000 and won't be available until later in the Model Y's production cycle."

ouch

[indigo coral]

at least its optional

instead of being required

[eager kite]

https://twitter.com/BLKMDL3/status/1188449802486505473

Ghost of @Tesla_Truth (@BLKMDL3)

Built @Ford tough. Thanks @Avis for this car! Leaking everywhere. https://t.co/pRV5KArYSW

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poor man

[indigo coral]

wtf

its leaking thru the roof?

[eager kite]

yea

[fair bronze]

Probably a seal damaged or missing around the roof rack area

[indigo coral]

I like my strategy of buying cheap ass computers

Lol

[south orchid]

So my cars traction control system failed and locked up my engine while I'm on vacation fml

[indigo coral]

i don't have traction control lol

sometimes that has its benefits i suppose

[bright gulch]

Well I don't have a car but I do have a sled

It's liquid cooled so eh

Means no long dry runs

[unreal terrace]

500k vins registerd? thats not cars sold wtf

[tight cypress]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vA7Qs2sSbrcXJ839

mm yes

@bright gulch y got snow

dock u

[unreal terrace]

I see you upgraded the cooling of your Mégane :p

[tight cypress]

yes

expect it has never overheated

escoooooooooooort

it needs some cooling

i think

[unreal terrace]

ye lul

[tight cypress]

we remember takin all the fun out of that car

[wheat hatch]

Looks fine to me.

.pog.

[tight cypress]

tempature gauge was overdoing its maxium

[unreal terrace]

as there was any fun in it

[tight cypress]

77hp was enough to get 120kmh in an short straight

especially at winter

[unreal terrace]

[bright gulch]

No we don't have snow yet here

I'm inpatient

That's an older photo

Here's a vid of it running this fall

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PSGQiBuDzXaN3x6G7

[tight cypress]

@bright gulch mine is air cooled

and we also hae liquid cooled ones

[bright gulch]

Nice

I like the older sleds

The 1980's skidoo citations are some of my fav

Air cooled

Light

[bright gulch]

And reliable

[tight cypress]

we have an 1992 yamaha venture

artics cat panthera efi something lol

somy lynx

and ski doo something

cant remember em at all

[carmine summit]

I like old arctic cats

like early 70s

[tight cypress]

arctic cats are unreliable

especially the efi ones

[carmine summit]

I want a 73 ish 295

they aren't fast

but they're cool

[tight cypress]

we have an ski doo

lemme google it again

this

exactly this

then this

all the snowmobiles we have

[carmine summit]

I just found a Phazer 2 with a freshly rebuilt engine for $500

I think I need a part time job

[carmine summit]

So I don't think I want a Phazer 2, but I'm going to look at an original Phazer this weekend

I was perfectly happy, then this conversation happened and I want a snowmobile

Gonna keep my eyes open for a 144" track and suspension and maybe some wider skis

Don't want to spend more than $1000 on it because I'm in high school and have a car

[bright gulch]

Hmmm

With that money you shouldn't buy a performance sled

Too many things could be wrong

And pray the oil pump works

And make sure it has mix oil too

[carmine summit]

I'm looking at 80s sleds

I'm gonna have to do work

no matter what it is

[eager kite]

ah poor GM and Toyota, dragging their heels all the way through this

[carmine summit]

VW and a bunch of other companies agreed to build cars to the California emissions standards

[eager kite]

Good for them

[dense shard]

And here I thought everyone is pretty much on the side of bureaucratic inertia here.

ah, so there is more nuance to the story. gg headlines

That being said I'm still annoyed that the automakers are trying to pull this shit. It won't lower car prices, it won't help consumers, and at this point it's bad optics.

"The Trump administration contends that freezing the fuel economy standards will reduce the average sticker price of new vehicles by about $2,700 by 2025"

It won't.

[chrome grail]

Just get rid of those unions. lol

That'll drop prices

[eager kite]

and fuck over the workers

and break federal law

[unreal terrace]

Nvm X)

[wheat hatch]

"Disregard peasants, acquire currency."

[carmine summit]

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/298078-4-automakers-agree-to-cleaner-california-air-now-they-may-be-sued

interesting

they're being sued over it because it might be against competition law for them to agree to build cars to California emissions standards

[unreal terrace]

No wonder the environmental lobby struggles in the US

[dense shard]

Getting rid of unions won't do anything.

So basically whatever the news may be here.

Automakers have universally turned their backs on the Obama era goals.

gg automakers

[dense shard]

Well I wasn't expecting Ford to be getting sued over better fuel economy standards... but good for them.

[civic spoke]

We got a grand visitor on our street today.

How is that relevant to cars?

It was the local bus that took a wrong turn.

[tight cypress]

me installed new exhaust yes

[tight cypress]

yes

shoots flames yes

[civic spoke]

I think that I need new tires.

[tight cypress]

naww

[civic spoke]

They are only 10 years old.

But I checked my dimensions for my winter rims. And this changes what I'm getting a little bit.

Since those rims were 15 inchers.

195/65R15

[tight cypress]

i have used winter tyres for 2 years now

no change at ssummer

[civic spoke]

That ruins the tires a lot faster.

But now I kinda have two options.

[tight cypress]

they are already ruined

tbh the place where my car is at

has 10cm of snow

all came today

[civic spoke]

Do I replace my summer tires and put winters on those?
Or do I just replace the tires on the winter tires?

[tight cypress]

hmm

whic one you want

[civic spoke]

No idea. honestly.

If I replaced the summer tires. Then I'd get a new set for next season.

Might just replace the rims as well?

[tight cypress]

if you want to

remember to get deep dish rims

[tight cypress]

soundcheck yes

pls headphone uses be aware

[viral matrix]

Dem single cylinder sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dti6leSkJ5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJRB8P1bdGg

Good ol' CBR125

4cyl sounds win tho

[stoic ledge]

DOT 06-91 glare before 2000, it were only 3 number codes glare

[tight cypress]

@viral matrix but can urs spit flame

[viral matrix]

Yes

You can spit close to 20cm flames by messing with the engine kill switch whole engine braking

And it sounds like a gun firing off while doing it

Also it backfires sometimes while engine braking at high revs

One of the benefits of a carburated engine

[vital glen]

@viral matrix Why would I do that when I can buy a real one and buy a flamethrower

[indigo coral]

its a shame that getting cars repainted is so bloody expensive (and hard to get right)

[dense shard]

What, repainting your Lexus?

[indigo coral]

just the bumpers

front and back

theyve been dented real bad by the previous owner

and ive just been living with it

[dense shard]

Aren't they plastic?

Surely you can try the hot water trick?

[indigo coral]

plastic is cracked

i popped it back out

ill send oyu pics in dm

[desert glen]

But does it run?

[south orchid]

probabky not

im about to buy a new car soon and suggestions im looking for 2 or 4 door sedan with a small engine v4

[indigo coral]

I4*

[stoic ledge]

Depending on how new, what price range, where (US, Asia, Europe etc)...

[dense shard]

Toyota Corolla.

[stoic ledge]

Always the answer

[indigo coral]

kia sting... wait small car

lol

[stoic ledge]

If smaller: Mazda 2 sedan/Toyota Yaris (if US xD )

[indigo coral]

Yaris bad. Corolla better.

(not that I'd ever buy a small sedan)

only a midsize like stinger

[stoic ledge]

This one isn't bad

It's just a Mazda xD

[viral matrix]

Not a ton of room in here

Lubed up the handbrake cable

Finally

[jagged coyote]

doing some repair in the "garage" aka machine shop

[viral matrix]

😁

It's a nice place to fix and repair stuff in

[jagged coyote]

need a new brass bearing? just machine it onto the lathe

or even resurfacing the brake discs

[viral matrix]

Yup

[carmine summit]

yeah that was relevant until a bunch of messages loaded

[bitter compass]

hey they upgraded the battery of the e-up, 260km range, still not a lot but 22000€ for full feature 🤔

[dense shard]

That's not too bad for only 22k.

That's what... 25k USD?

[bitter compass]

i really hope they keep updating it until i feel like buying a new car

probably 23k because tax difference and us is often cheaper

i could save another 500€ because rear view camera in a up is kinda overkill

[dense shard]

But mandated in the US.

[bitter compass]

my current up has absolutely no assistance systems

in other words.. get good at parking

but kinda annoying that you live with light blue if you want to save 500€

[indigo coral]

My car has no parking assistance

but it has extremely good visibility

[night current]

Miata would be a good small 2 door car

👀

[bitter compass]

the eup costs 6000 € more than the up for giving up 300km range
thags actually not that bad 🤔

thats something you make up in fuel costs in no time

im interested

[dense shard]

Sounds like a plan.

I know it's a smaller car, but honestly 500km is the minimum I'd consider for an electric car.

[carmine summit]

I fill my car up every 500km. I could probably get 600 km on a tank if I tried, but better to not run out.

[jagged coyote]

if i really want i can do 1000km on a tank

[viral matrix]

I can barely do 500km on a tank

lmao

[indigo coral]

I can only do 400km comfortably

maybe 500 if it's a ton of highway

[dense shard]

500 maybe, but my gas tank isn't that massive.

[jagged coyote]

60L

[dense shard]

I've got maybe 50?

[jagged coyote]

so your L/100k isn't that crazy

me it's between 5 and 6

[dense shard]

I get about 5.7 on the best of days.

6.4 on average.

[jagged coyote]

and i do mostly city driving too

[dense shard]

oh city driving is much worse.

Hills kill me... and my area has a lot of those.

[jagged coyote]

i should've reset the trip-o-meter when i went to ireland bcs i drove alot of highway

[indigo coral]

my last fillup I got 13.2l/100km

[stoic ledge]

My entire range of gas + LPG is easily over 1000km easily, but the LPG range is only 370-400km xD

[indigo coral]

if I keep momentum I do alright but once I have to start from a stop, get the porker of a car moving, my fuel economy goes to sh*t

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[indigo coral]

thats what driving a car thats super heavy will do to you xD

[stoic ledge]

Well that's actually with every car xD

[indigo coral]

some cars aren't as bad though

eventually I'll take a real road trip and see how it does just on cruise control at a constant speed for like

4 hours

so far I've not done a REAL trip, only like 200 miles each way

[stoic ledge]

Cruise control Is this pedal to the floor? xD

[indigo coral]

?

[stoic ledge]

(i don't hace cruise control)
(Cruise control = flooring it so top speed = cruise control)

[indigo coral]

oh

lol

mine's got cruise, but its not adaptive

and it only works from 25mph +

[stoic ledge]

Imagine adaptive in 1999

[indigo coral]

didn't the s class have it?

[stoic ledge]

I don't think so? Lemme check

[indigo coral]

it seems lke it would have been possible

considering my car / cars of that time had electronic control instead of throttle by literal wire

and radar existed

[stoic ledge]

1999 S-Class was the first EU/US car with distronic (a.k.a adaptive cruise)

[indigo coral]

ye

thats what i thought

[stoic ledge]

Apparently ESP is important for adaptive cruise

Idk if your RX has ESP

[indigo coral]

(ESP?)

[stoic ledge]

Electronic stability program

[indigo coral]

ah

[stoic ledge]

Or ESC

[indigo coral]

the 2000+ i think had stability control

[stoic ledge]

Or DSC

[indigo coral]

and all the FWD and the newer 2001+ AWD i think had traction control

Mine doesn't! 🙂

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[indigo coral]

nah its fine

[stoic ledge]

Apparently it's required for adaptive cruise, so Lexus couldn't have fitted it (:

[indigo coral]

not on the '99 at least

the later firstgen had both stability and traction control

Mine has ABS and airbags

that's it

(6 airbags i think tho)

[stoic ledge]

Yes pogey

And a lot of weight

[indigo coral]

huh

i just read my back is a limited slip

[stoic ledge]

More weight = more energy to transfer to the other vehicles

[indigo coral]

i think that's bullshit

[stoic ledge]

LSD RWD RX300 when? xD

[indigo coral]

can't do that

that would be hilarious though

[stoic ledge]

Yes (:

[indigo coral]

i'm a bit surprised my car has no tunnel down the middle

like

its got awd but not the big chunk out of the cabin

[stoic ledge]

Mine has a chunk out of the cabin pogey But that's where the exhaust is

[indigo coral]

my floor is flat

up until the trunk

they put some stupid purse holder in the front middle

[stoic ledge]

Wait your trunk isn't flat?

Lol

Nice

[indigo coral]

its flat

but raised up from the floor of the cabin

obviously

because there's a big spare underneath there 😛

i'm also very surprised it's full size spare

instead of a donut/fix-a-flat

[stoic ledge]

I don't think fix-a-flats were a thing back then xD

Flat floor is nice xD

[indigo coral]

i can fit 5 people better in my two rows than my mom's Explorer does

(the explorer has a third row but i'm not counting that)

[stoic ledge]

Oof nice

More straight so wider body probably?

[indigo coral]

w/o using the 3rd row you can only really fit 4

no

the explorer middle seat is super skinny, but the seatbelt is on a piece of metal, not flexible thing

so if you're wider than about 9 inches the middle seat of the 2nd row is completely useless

[stoic ledge]

Oof damn

Nice

Nice

I can fit 5 people in my car (:

[indigo coral]

i can too

[stoic ledge]

Also: thnx discord for sending my message twice

[indigo coral]

in my "subcompact suv"

according to the government/insurance

[stoic ledge]

Well mine is classed as a mini-van

xD

[indigo coral]

LOL

[stoic ledge]

Idk why

But it is

3 door minevans under 4 meters are the best minivans

[indigo coral]

lol

[stoic ledge]

Also: cruise control should have been fitted to my car, but Opel decided for some reason that LPG + cruise control can't work together.... To abandon that thought exactly one month later xD

Mine was built in that 1 month period

[indigo coral]

Fat rip

Mine has only 1 button for both seat heaters

its a toggleswitch for either driver or driver + passenger

like 2 weeks into production they revised it to have 2 individual buttons

[stoic ledge]

Lol so passenger only isn't a thing in yours? xD

[indigo coral]

nope

[stoic ledge]

Nice

[indigo coral]

(i leave mine on all the time so thats not super big deal xD)

[stoic ledge]

Lol xD Nice

Ofc, mine doesn't have heated seats xD

[indigo coral]

do you have power windows?

[stoic ledge]

It was optional, and it even threw in a heated steeringwheel which is nice

Yes it does

I have 2 power windows

(rear doesn't open anyway so xD)

[indigo coral]

o

sunroof?

[stoic ledge]

Nein, that's quite uncommon around here, only on the high-end cars you sometimes see it now

[indigo coral]

o

why is it uncommon?

[stoic ledge]

Idk, i think it's awesome

But it's quite rare

[indigo coral]

huh

[stoic ledge]

Not that many cars even feature it

[indigo coral]

I'm probably just an ignorant american, but is it cold in NL?

[stoic ledge]

You could get it as an optional extra on a Corsa... But like <1% actually got it

Bwah depends, summer = "hot", in the winter it freezes

Also "hot" for me xD

[indigo coral]

so kind of like here

alright

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I think so, we're both at roughly the same distance to the equator I believe

[indigo coral]

Too bad that Radeon VII wasn't particularly good

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I expected more

[proud vine]

Wroom car go fast

[fathom socket]

I like that kind of orange

[unreal terrace]

[fathom socket]

lol wut

I know how to save fuel use lower RPMs there you go

[stoic ledge]

1. Wtf, no
2. Those things just send false data to the ECU to make it perform better, bad in long term since the engine doesn't get actual data of the current status of the engine

[unreal terrace]

i kind wanna order the 2nd one and see whats inside it

i bet its just a resistor or a cap

[stoic ledge]

Do it

[fair bronze]

That is such a waste lol

[stoic ledge]

Yes, it's a waste

But it's not my money

(:

[jagged coyote]

@stoic ledge most of them are just connected to the +12 and gnd and have a blinking led

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8fywphQp0

[unreal terrace]

wow i never thought anyone had "test" it

[jagged coyote]

well you can see if it (can) work simply by tearing it down and seeing if the pins for Can_H and Can_L are connected

but then even if it's connected you aren't sure

[unreal terrace]

i figured that theyd just have an led and 2 wires xD

[jagged coyote]

and the cap thing can work, but not on cars, more like in big plants where you have alot of inductive load, the capacitance can help the power factor go back to one

[stoic ledge]

Oof nice

[carmine summit]

yeah those diesel "tuners" are literally just giving the ECU a fake air/fuel reading

[unreal terrace]

these ones does nothing

except light up the led

[carmine summit]

there's a popular mod for VW TDIs called the evrymod that involves putting a jumper with a resistor across 2 wires, those boxes probably do the exact same thing

you just let it have a bit more voltage and it thinks it needs more fuel

[jagged coyote]

nah the obdii is on the can bus, so a resistor doesn't help at all

tbf there are resistors on the can bus, but at the ends to avoid echoes

[carmine summit]

it wouldn't be a resistor in those, but it would do the same thing somehow

unless those are the ones that do literally nothing, those exist too

[unreal terrace]

I remember those evrymods being very popular for 525TDS and the 740DTIC

[carmine summit]

MK4 VWs

basically, if you see a young person with a MK4 TDI with aftermarket wheels or stickers or something, there's an 85% chance they have an evrymod

[fair bronze]

It's insane there are people who get tricked into buying these, thinking it will actually make a difference

[stoic ledge]

I often get amazed how many people get tricked in to buying many stuff xD

[carmine summit]

marketing

make the people think they need it, and they will buy it

[jagged coyote]

just gullible people

[fair bronze]

Mostly that ^

[indigo coral]

Real tuning can work though

[fair bronze]

Obviously

[unreal terrace]

Wait am minute

Audi is making a RSQ8

[indigo coral]

that doesn't honestly surprise me

[dense shard]

Y tho

[stoic ledge]

More versions is more better

Mercedes does the same, BMW does the same

Why can't Audi do it too?

[indigo coral]

If all they're gonna sell is crossovers why not sell fast ones?

[dense shard]

Because the concept is stupid.

[indigo coral]

why?

its a big fat sedan

[stoic ledge]

Yes they are stupid, but the entire cross-over hype is

[fair bronze]

They're just not all that interesting anymore

[unreal terrace]

@stoic ledge do you have any torque steer in your opel?=

[stoic ledge]

With 110Nm of torque? Nope xD

[fair bronze]

Yeah massive amounts, can barely keep it on the road @unreal terrace

[unreal terrace]

cuz i havent got any at all in my fiat with 300nm

they gotta be making some magic not to have it just veer off the road all the time

[stoic ledge]

But diesel torque != Gas torque, due to the longer gear ratios

[unreal terrace]

i think they've made the ASR make do magic with the steering or the breaks

[stoic ledge]

I don't know if they did stuff like that back then

[viral matrix]

Tfw I have no torque steer in mine

[indigo coral]

I don't think mine has torque steer

not that it has enough torque to do sh*t anyways

[viral matrix]

With 170hp and 220nm of torque

[indigo coral]

i've got like 200-220 lb/ft of torque, not near enough to torquesteer

[unreal terrace]

if you're on 4wd or rwd you wont have torque steer

[fair bronze]

I get torque steer on my bicycle

[viral matrix]

You might get some torque steer with 4wd

[indigo coral]

i have AWD that's front biased

so I presume it could happen

[fair bronze]

Except it's an auto

An old school automatic

[indigo coral]

true

even when im trying to I can't get it to go over ~5000 rpm

[fair bronze]

Torque steer is bad anyway so win

[indigo coral]

it literally won't do it

[viral matrix]

Lmao

[indigo coral]

despite redline being ~6300

that being said the power/torque peak is long before that

so

[viral matrix]

Mine has fuel cut at 7000rpm

[indigo coral]

i read on the internet that 80% of torque comes on at like 1600rpm but I think that's a load of sh*t

[viral matrix]

Time to put in stiffer valve springs and make that 8500

[indigo coral]

because its not quick off thel ine (at all)

[viral matrix]

Mine has highest torque at 4200rpm

And highest hp at 6800rpm

Tfw my buddy has 650nm of torque at 2000rpm

Good ol' A4 3.0tdi

[indigo coral]

ok so

220hp @ 5800rpm, 222lb/ft of torque @ 4400 rpm

yikes that's real bad XD

[stoic ledge]

83hp/86hp @ 5600rpm, 110Nm/115Nm @ 4000rpm (LPG/gas)

[viral matrix]

[stoic ledge]

All that power pogey

[fair bronze]

He's got all that torque until it breaks down

[stoic ledge]

Idk what Opel was thinking, but my curve is like odd af xD

[indigo coral]

wtf

[fair bronze]

It's in Eco Mode until 3500 rpm lol

Then all hell breaks loose

[stoic ledge]

"all hell"

xD

[indigo coral]

the whole car is an eco mode

[fair bronze]

Poweeeeeeeeer

[stoic ledge]

That's why on the highway, it drives better at 125-150 vs 100-125 xD

So speeding == better xD

[fair bronze]

I can agree with that

[stoic ledge]

Ah well everybody is a zombie on the road these days, it's adequate enough xD

[fair bronze]

So true

[unreal terrace]

If I try to drive uphill in 6th gear and like 70kph, my car slows down...

[fair bronze]

Well 6th isn't really meant for 70 kph lol

[stoic ledge]

That's kinda normal xD

[indigo coral]

If I drive to drive up hill in anything besides 2nd gear my car loses speed!

:>

[fair bronze]

4 speed right?

[indigo coral]

yep

[stoic ledge]

Oof

Even my car doesn't do that xD

[fair bronze]

Old school

[indigo coral]

the car is older than me

so yes

[fair bronze]

It's made for cruising

[stoic ledge]

I smoked everybody at the lights today

[indigo coral]

somehow i think the 8.8 seconds quoted by lexus is massively optimistic

it feels closer to 12

[stoic ledge]

Didn't you got it under 9 seconds the other day?

[indigo coral]

to 45

not 60

[stoic ledge]

Ah

My bad

[indigo coral]

(and slightly down hill)

[stoic ledge]

Oof xD

I should pull the dashcam video from today where I smoked everybody, it was flat + 0-60mph pogey

So i can get the time xD

[indigo coral]

lol

i've never floored it

i feel like it will make the trans just like

fall out the bottom of the car

[stoic ledge]

Oof well the F13+ transmission is officially rated at 13*10=130Nm, and it's 110Nm, so no problem there

Also, i only went up to 4k rpm

[fair bronze]

Daredevil

[stoic ledge]

Ikr

dab

[fair bronze]

PogChomp

[stoic ledge]

I'll try to pull the vid xD

[fair bronze]

That would be fun

I need to get a dashcam too

[stoic ledge]

Do it

[indigo coral]

I should do a 0-60 pull in my dads taurus 🤔

[stoic ledge]

Do that too

[dense shard]

I just skip redlining my car.

[fair bronze]

I only redlined a Citroën C4 Cactus once by accident

[indigo coral]

never redlined

lol

[fair bronze]

It was a test drive too

[stoic ledge]

Oof a Cactus

Does it even have a revcounter?

[fair bronze]

It has a bar iirc

[stoic ledge]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/DSC_5381-1.jpg

It doesn't xD

[fair bronze]

That is the basic LCD screen

[dense shard]

ouch

That actually looks like something out of the 90s.

[stoic ledge]

Are there 2 screens eyes

[fair bronze]

More like 80s

I don't think it has a rev counter

[stoic ledge]

And you, but the C4 Cactus was suppose to be cheap and cheerful xD

Ah I see now

[dense shard]

Ahhhh...

Well that is cheaper to make than a real gauge cluster.

[stoic ledge]

Yes

Exactly

[dense shard]

I'm not a fan of it though. But I acknowledge what it is and what it represents.

[fair bronze]

Honestly though, I liked the new one

Not something I'd buy straight away but not a bad car to drive

[dense shard]

Does the Cactus offer AWD?

[stoic ledge]

They are quite comfy

No

[dense shard]

hmmmm

bah, screw it. I'd still want one if I were to take up mountain biking.

[fair bronze]

No AWD, it's a semi-budget crossover

[stoic ledge]

The outside of the original was covered in Airbumps (:

[fair bronze]

Original

[stoic ledge]

So if somebody smashes their door or shopping trolleh in to it.... It doesn't dent xD

[fair bronze]

New one

Also the new one is available with way nicer seats

[stoic ledge]

And nicer suspension

[fair bronze]

That too

[stoic ledge]

And only the 1.2 Turbo iirc

[indigo coral]

it looks like a hyundai kona

[fair bronze]

That engine is brilliant actually

[stoic ledge]

The 1.2 non-Turbo is waay to slow

[fair bronze]

The Kona is ugly

[stoic ledge]

Yeah the 1.2 Turbo is awesome

[fair bronze]

I know it's an opinion

@stoic ledge The one thing PSA got right

[stoic ledge]

PSA also wants to take over FCA now

[fair bronze]

I truly love that engine

They are going to fuse

[stoic ledge]

Yes

Opel Corsa with a 5.7L Hemi when

xD

[fair bronze]

It's pretty powerful, has a nice sound to it

You can even hear the turbo blow

[stoic ledge]

Yes (:

[indigo coral]

if they buy fca that's the end of big engine challengers and stuff

[stoic ledge]

feelsBatman

[fair bronze]

No one's buying anyone

[stoic ledge]

1.2 Turbo in the Challenger when

xD

[fair bronze]

It will finally be affordable here

[stoic ledge]

Lol didn't see falcons message

[fair bronze]

I did

Something with Challengers and boat licenses

[stoic ledge]

:ohno:

[fair bronze]

That's her car btw

[tight cypress]

yes

[stoic ledge]

Oof

Well the fuse would be good for Fiat

[fair bronze]

The Italians are great at building the same model for way too long

[stoic ledge]

New Punto on 208/Corsa base, new 500 with C1/108/Karl to make it worth while, new Tipo/Bravo on 308 base

They have to build it for a long time to get the investment out xD

Besides the 500, they mainly sell in Italy only

[fair bronze]

Fiat 500, Alfa Romeo Giulietta, MiTo, etc

They're all ancient

Nice cars but they need an update badly

[stoic ledge]

They Punto was only discontinued last year

2005-2018

[fair bronze]

Yep lol

[stoic ledge]

But hey, Corsa is also still the same xD

[fair bronze]

German Punto

[indigo coral]

the guilia is new-ish

i thought

[stoic ledge]

But they did do a thorough refresh

[fair bronze]

The Giulia and Stelvio are new but that's it

[stoic ledge]

^ that

[fair bronze]

Two models aren't enough

[indigo coral]

something im glad to see

i see more alfas than mercedes cls

cls is godawful ugly

[stoic ledge]

Giulia is nice

[fair bronze]

It's nice indeed

[stoic ledge]

But everybody goes for Mercedes C/Audi A4/BMW 3er

[indigo coral]

cause the alfa is horribly unreliable 😛

[stoic ledge]

I'd take the Giulia any day

Meh the Giulia isn't

[fair bronze]

They're not that unreliable anymore though lol

[indigo coral]

the test cars that a few publications had spent 4 out of 6 months they had it in the dealer

[stoic ledge]

It does have the ZF gearboz puggers

[fair bronze]

Could be early models

[stoic ledge]

https://www.prinsalfa.nl/foto/89549/1920/!crop!/files/Occasions/13046835-1.jpg

Why pick a boring Audi A4 over this?

[indigo coral]

the paddles on the alfas are amazing

[fair bronze]

Because the neighbours know what the Audi is

[indigo coral]

^

[stoic ledge]

Yes, they are inferior

Also: /care what the neighbours think

I srsly couldn't care less

It's gorgeous to look at, and drives amazing

[fair bronze]

I'd rather get that too

[stoic ledge]

glare Maybe i should buy one in 2 years or so

[fair bronze]

Maybe not

[stoic ledge]

pogey

Still €35k+

feelsbadman

Maybe not indeed xD

[fair bronze]

Honestly I'd much rather get this

Even though it's older now

[stoic ledge]

159 SW 1.75 TBI

Is it a 1.75?

[tight cypress]

kaaas

tbh i need to take more pics of kaas

[fair bronze]

@stoic ledge That one is a 3.2

[stoic ledge]

3.2 is too heavy in the front

[fair bronze]

I wouldn't get the 3.2 though

[stoic ledge]

1.75T is perfect

[fair bronze]

Just meant the model looking like that

[stoic ledge]

Yeah it's gorgeous

[fair bronze]

@tight cypress Nice kaas

[tight cypress]

i dont like wagon alfa romeos alot

[indigo coral]

a wagon guilia

would be cool

[fair bronze]

I think it's one of the best looking 'regular' cars ever made

[tight cypress]

maybe

[stoic ledge]

Yes, but it will never come

[indigo coral]

i know

i'd also like a twin turbo V8 stinger

[tight cypress]

from nowday standards @fair bronze

[indigo coral]

and that wont come either

[tight cypress]

its goos lookin

good

[indigo coral]

a twin turbo v8 stinger with like 550hp would be lit

GTS + 500hp = drifting and burnouts all day

xD

[tight cypress]

i dont prefer having an daily driver with over 300hp

[stoic ledge]

$500 rubber burned every day pogey

[indigo coral]

the v6 is 365 which is pretty nice.

parents cars each have 365, i think thats about right

[tight cypress]

il not sure bout ours

prob 200+hp on the van

[indigo coral]

keep in mind the stinger/ my parents cars are porkers

theyre not light / sports cars

😛

[tight cypress]

ugly

friend is about to get dat...

[fair bronze]

Is that like a 50cc bike

[warm sparrow]

hey this is no car :p

[dense shard]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-m-a-psa/stronger-together-fiat-chrysler-and-peugeot-plan-worlds-no-4-carmaker-idUSKBN1XA0S5

The guys how bought Chrysler are merging with the guys who bought Opel.

This means we might see a Buick Regal come back as a new Dodge Avenger... or a Citroen DS something as a Neon.

And Jeep will now be French.

[stoic ledge]

Yes we were just talking about it pogey

Also Buick Regal/Insignia is still a GM product, which Opel will phase out quite soon in Europe

X doubt it will come to the US as a Dodge Avenger

Also, the last Avenger as a class below the Insignia for sure

[dense shard]

They're both midsize cars.

[stoic ledge]

Yes but the Avenger was cheao af on the inside

Even Lego uses softer plastics

[dense shard]

That was the best Chrysler could do at the time.

Today... I'm not sure how most luxury car makers justify existing.

Acura, Buick, Lincoln are just rebadged generic products.

And usually don't offer any real upgrades.

You can get leather in a Honda these days, and a bunch of other previously luxury tech in other cars.

[stoic ledge]

Yes

Well you can get leather in "normal" cars for s long time now

You can even get Fiesta, Polo, Clios etc with leather now these days

[dense shard]

I mean at this point. A top trim compared to a top nacho Acura trim... not much difference.

Sure... bigger engine in an Acura, but is that really worth a 15 grand premium?

[stoic ledge]

Well it's mostly the brand, sometimes Some extra features, softer plastics

[dense shard]

Buick's reason to exist is even less justifiable. Besides China.

[stoic ledge]

And no yeah I get ya

I mean look at an Audi A3 vs Golf, same car yet different brand = 10k more

[dense shard]

I think Opel has a good chance at making it back to the US as a whatever else.

[stoic ledge]

Saturn

No that would suck

Saturn has a bad brand image

[dense shard]

Saturn was a grand experiment for GM, and it was a huge success till GM decided to meddle.

Saturn's brand image was exactly as it was meant to be.

[indigo coral]

Lexus makes cars that are different enough from Toyota to be reasonable to exist imo

[dense shard]

No frills transport with a no bullshit dealership service.

Lexus does a decent job since they don't just flat out rebadge their cars.

The most overlap we see right now is Lexus ES and Toyota Avalon.

And I do question that tbh.

[indigo coral]

(and have completely stunning interiors like the LC500) though remote touch controller is just bad

[dense shard]

The flagship Lexus products are next level.

[stoic ledge]

Opel doesn't own the Saturn brand name though... So I don't think that they will use that name

[dense shard]

Lincoln flagship isn't next level.

[indigo coral]

saturn sky is pretty

[dense shard]

Saturn Sky was a rebadged Opel.

[stoic ledge]

Opel was at the US market in like 1970 xD

Opel GT

[indigo coral]

don't care lol, its pretty

[stoic ledge]

Sky = Opel GT, yes

[dense shard]

Sky was...

It was a good start without a follow up.

[stoic ledge]

Astra = Opel Astra

[indigo coral]

it being rebadged doesn't necessarily mean its bad

See: Chevy SS

[dense shard]

No, but when you rebadge a Ford and call it a Lincoln... that's bad.

Mind you Ford is trying now.

But GM with Buick, GMC, and Chevy.

[stoic ledge]

Aura = Opel Vectra

[indigo coral]

The Aviator and Navigator are great

[dense shard]

WTF is a GMC.

Why is a GMC.

[indigo coral]

though ford's newest lines of normal products are so terrible

[dense shard]

It's identical save for a 5 grand premium.

[stoic ledge]

GMC = Chevy + more chrome

[dense shard]

Ford's product line is great for 10 years ago.

[indigo coral]

They mentioned in their earnings report that warranty costs have skyrocketed

[unreal terrace]

i thought GMC was the sportier version of chevy

[indigo coral]

due to reliability and quality problems w/ new explorer

nah

its the "luxury verson"

[unreal terrace]

and buick the luxury

[indigo coral]

both

and cadillac

[dense shard]

funny Geim.

[indigo coral]

GM has a stupid arse lineup

[dense shard]

I've heard GMC is supposed to be the working man's Chevy.

[unreal terrace]

like

[dense shard]

lol

[unreal terrace]

why make 1 car and name it with 5 diffrent brands

[dense shard]

We've heard a dozen things, and GM doesn't know the answer.

[indigo coral]

money

[dense shard]

Used to be more.

[unreal terrace]

they dont even look diffrent

[dense shard]

Ford, Lincoln, Edsel, Mercury.

[unreal terrace]

like the GMC cyclone and the chevy S10

[dense shard]

We can do worse.

[indigo coral]

but if you know nothing aobut cars the stealership can be like Ooohhh look at this GMC it sure will impress the neighbors

[stoic ledge]

^

Same with Skoda/Seat/VW/Audi

[indigo coral]

They drive a chevy and you drive a GMC

[unreal terrace]

i remember seeing the crown vic and the lincoln whatever

[stoic ledge]

Basically the same

[indigo coral]

well

the audis look infinitely better

than any of the vw crap

[dense shard]

oh the old Panthers were identical.

Crown Vic, Town Car, and Grand Marquis

[stoic ledge]

https://objectstore.true.nl/webstores:huiskeskokkeler-nl/content/stock/13235/440x293/seat-leon-fr-business-intense-150pk-tsi-dsg-virtual-cockpit-beats-audio-panoramadak-full-led-navigatie-adaptive-cruise-control-keyless-entry-go-lane-assist-grootlicht-assist-camera-achter-18-cup-racer-evelgen-xh-282-x-01.jpg

I mean, the Seat Leon isn't 15k worse than a A3

[indigo coral]

does it have power seats

[stoic ledge]

Idk, probably not, nobody cares in this segment

[indigo coral]

what

really

i dont mind manual slidey back and forth

[stoic ledge]

Most C-segment cars have manual seats, yes

[indigo coral]

but backrest and whatnot should always be power

and tilt

[stoic ledge]

> having tilt

[indigo coral]

👀

[stoic ledge]

But no I've checked, the one pictured is manual seats

[indigo coral]

Rip.

How much does it cost

include the stupid-tax

[stoic ledge]

Is a used one with 20k km: €30k

[indigo coral]

new?

[stoic ledge]

But it does have the upgraded 1.5 TSI with DSG

Lemme check it's new price

[unreal terrace]

lets have a guessing game

whats this based on

[stoic ledge]

The one pictured was €35k

[indigo coral]

is that the marauder

[stoic ledge]

New

[indigo coral]

jeez

35k euros is what, 40k usd?

[stoic ledge]

Yes it is the Marauder

Yes it is

[indigo coral]

marauder = souped up crown vic

[unreal terrace]

yes

guess what this is based on

[indigo coral]

volvo xc60 mid 2000s?

or am i way off

[stoic ledge]

But, hear me for a second. So this full optioned, 1.5 TSI 150hp DSG Leon is 35k. For the same price, you can get a base 1.0 TSI 110hp manual Audi A3

[unreal terrace]

ford focus

[stoic ledge]

And no V50 == Focus

[indigo coral]

ah

I love the 2016 S5 Coupe

[unreal terrace]

Our two cars would be a better comparison

The door mirrors are the same

And the rear suspension

[stoic ledge]

Corsa == Punto == Mito == Adam

[indigo coral]

before they redesigned the S5 Coupe in 17 (i think) it was one of the prettiest cars on the market imo, super clean and elegant design

[unreal terrace]

I wonder if the doors on ours nare interchangeable

They dont, mine has a little window by the wing mirror

[dense shard]

wow

[indigo coral]

The first Highlander was based off my car 👀

[dense shard]

No power seats in cars over 20k?

[indigo coral]

(and yes, that way around. RX300 came first.)

[dense shard]

At least tilt/reach steering wheel?

[indigo coral]

agreed, power seats are expected at anything over rock bottom base model

[stoic ledge]

LOL base Golfs start at 28k fyi

[indigo coral]

the golf is overpriced and not very good

[stoic ledge]

Uhm yeah tilt/reach is standard on pretty much all cars

Except the Nissan Leaf, like wtf

[dense shard]

And yet people buy Golfs.

[stoic ledge]

Power seats aren't that big of a deal here

[indigo coral]

LOL the new 62kwh Leaf costs as much as a Model 3 Performance, or a very lightly used 2017 Model S

[dense shard]

Here I am in a practically loaded Corolla for less than a Golf.

[indigo coral]

^^^^

i'd take the corolla

[stoic ledge]

Still don't understand why people buy Golfs but ok

[dense shard]

Teutonic styling.

And German driving.

[indigo coral]

and vaping

[dense shard]

that's Subaru tho

[indigo coral]

lol

golf too

and gti

[dense shard]

I nearly shopped for a GTI and WRX.

But the Mazda 3 failed to live up to expectations.

[stoic ledge]

Ok so the Opel Astra starts at €25k, power seats only available as an option on the 2 higher trims combined with leather seats

Cheapest Astra with power seats is €30.5k

Corolla starts at €24k

[unreal terrace]

€22.9k buys and astra with Aircon and massage in seats now :p

[stoic ledge]

No Corolla has power seats? Not even the 40+k model xD

Gotta love 🇳🇱 taxes

[unreal terrace]

Yeah boi

Beats the crap out of paying your own health care

what a shame you got cancer, now give us all your and all of your grandchildrens money

[dense shard]

Politics aside. Gotta great deal on my car.

[stoic ledge]

My car taxes aren't used for health care tho xD

[dense shard]

Nicer roads?

Alabama roads aren't brilliant.

[stoic ledge]

Dutch roads aren't bad, no

But not all the money goes to there, because it's basically a fine for emitting CO2

For the roads themselves, we have road tax

Which even for my small Corsa is €55 a month, the same car as a diesel costs €110/month

[indigo coral]

Our roads aren't too bad here

though I5 is quite rough in places

we don't have monthly road taxes or anything, just 50 bucks a year for car tabs

😄

[stoic ledge]

Classic xD

[vital glen]

spooky @indigo coral

[indigo coral]

spooky.

[eager kite]

https://youtu.be/aTYdR42DeB4

This is why integrated 360 cameras are amazing for cars

[dense shard]

Not gonna lie.

Why people feel the need to attack the cars is so beyond me.

Also that lady's fat butt couldn't hide her criminal activities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDm5zIfr3qI Also here's an interesting issue.

Make what you will of this. If I lived up North I'd probably be garage parking my car.

[stoic ledge]

That would mean I'd have to plug-in my car at home every day to keep the battery heated during winter 👀

And since we have 2 cars, they will probably be charging at 1x16A (3.68kW) each because 3x16A (11kW) *2 cars goes over our main connection limit... Which means it'd probably won't even charge up at home.. which means I'd still have to go to a fast charge station every 3 days

[eager kite]

I mean, with EVs that's kind of standard to plug in when you get home...

And you can set how much power you would want each car to receive, so if you can't spend the few hundred bucks to get dedicated 240v lines for the cars, then you can just dial back each one on the power input and charge that way.

[stoic ledge]

Everything is already 230V here

And yeah I get it you charge them always at home, but if I see the figures in the video, it would nearly charge at all

(if we would exchange both cars for EVs)

[eager kite]

that's if the battery was at 2C though

and you were trying to warm it all the way up

if you keep your car in your garage it will never need 7kw to stay warm

[stoic ledge]

> Imagine having a garage xD

Or: imagine having a garage large enough to fit multiple cars

Very often, that's not the case

[fair bronze]

Especially in our tiny country

[eager kite]

Even if it was sitting in your driveway it wouldn't be using 7kw to stay warm

The 3 in that video was only using that much power in the vid to warm the battery asap so it can charge as fast as possible. If you're plugging it at home it doesn't need to warm asap.

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge What's your max current?

Common over here is 120v @12amps even though it's common place to have 15amp fuses

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen you mean regular breakers? They are 230V @16A usually, or 2x16A/3x16A for high power appliances (induction cooking for example)

Main connection to houses can vary immensely, ranging from 1x25A (very small houses/apparements) to 3x80A extremely large mansions, business etc. We have 3x25A as main connection to our home.

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge ok

[eager kite]

weird

at my house we have 2 100A breakers coming in (240v)

[civic spoke]

Just reminds me of how old our fuse box at home is...

[stoic ledge]

Iirc, isn't 2x100A in the US 200A @120V or 100A @240V? Atleast that's what I remember

[dense shard]

Tried measuring it, and woke up in a hospital. It's enough current to send a grown adult flying at least 15 feet.

Okay I kid, and don't touch live wires. That's bad yo.

[stoic ledge]

Lol I was not intended to do so xD

[eager kite]

It varies by state for electrical code

as to what is standard

in my area it's standard to have 240v coming into the house, and in the breaker box there is a 2:1 transformer to bring some of it down to 120v for the rest of the house, while the rest of the 240v powers the washers and dryers and stuff

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok, learned something today

[unreal terrace]

We have similar setups here, but from 400v to 230v

[jagged coyote]

usa is kinda sucky for that, but i guess you have to thank good 'ol edison for that

[thorny harness]

@unreal terrace what car u got?

[unreal terrace]

@thorny harness

This bad boi

A 2006 Fiat Grande Punto 1.9mjet Sportive

[thorny harness]

seems good

[unreal terrace]

Goes forward pretty quick, stops and backwards :p all I need in a car

[stoic ledge]

But does it turn?

[indigo coral]

yes, its not a challenger.

like i said

you need a boating licence to drive a challenger

[stoic ledge]

To drive or to boat? xD

[unreal terrace]

Nope

Lmao

G'day cap'n

[indigo coral]

LOL bmw x8 is coming

A coupe X7 styled like the 8 series

😂😂😂

[eager kite]

Why is it that top gear can't for once do a fair test between cars? Especially anything to do with Tesla... https://twitter.com/MaximilianSeif/status/1190349196395716614

Maximilian Seifert PRO Max (@MaximilianSeif)

TopGear‘s comparison between the @Tesla Model S and @Porsche Taycan Turbo S is completely wrong! Especially the drag race! They put the Taycan into Launch Control, but not the Model S. To make it even worse they put the Tesla into "Range Mode", which means reduced engine...

Twitter

[dense shard]

To be fair.

The OG Roadster wasn't a great car. And the criticism about the car were valid at the time.

[indigo coral]

thats not an OG roadster

[dense shard]

The Model S, X, and later 3 were each a solid step in the right direction up.

I'm addressing the "why can't Top Gear do a fair test for once."

They were fair the first time.

Here tho... lol

That's pretty fucking egregious. If it has launch control use it.

It's there for one purpose.... drag races.

[indigo coral]

They put it in Range mode, which limits power and makes it primarily FWD

[dense shard]

Yeah, that's super dumb.

[indigo coral]

If they did that, I strongly doubt they put it in Ludicrous mode

and didn't use launch control