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dense shard
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And it didn't overheat on the Nürburgring.

fathom socket
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the taycan handles lightyears better than the tesla

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even though it weighs more

dense shard
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We've all seen that picture. lol

wheat hatch
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So what if it is worse?
All the guys with cash are still going to buy the Taycan over the Tesla.
Because you know, history and prestige.

eager kite
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Mission E was never raced so you can't compare it's handling to a Taycan

dense shard
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You can compare basic baseline tests.

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Like emergency lane changes.

eager kite
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By all the metrics we were told, Taycan is worse than mission E

dense shard
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Which are more important than track times.

fossil imp
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lmao

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this guy

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the porsche is so much better in so many ways

eager kite
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Than what?

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The better porsche

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?

fossil imp
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any tesla

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ANY

eager kite
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We aren't comparing it to tesla

wheat hatch
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.kek.

fossil imp
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handling, comfort, tech, history, dynamics, style etc

eager kite
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Please, read the convo

fossil imp
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nou

wheat hatch
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lmao

fossil imp
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everything

eager kite
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His complaint was that tesla over promises and under delivers

fossil imp
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<> charging time

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or rate

eager kite
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I'm showing how that's the same for porsche with the Mission E --> Taycan

fossil imp
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ure showing nothing apart from ridiculous tesla fanboyism

eager kite
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Everything about the Taycan is worse than the Mission E

wheat hatch
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tru

eager kite
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No not at all, I'm just showing how he should be upset with porshe as well

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If he isn't then he's not being consistent

indigo coral
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I used to think I was a bit of a Tesla fanboy but holy shit you take the cake @eager kite

eager kite
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This has nothing to do with me promoting or supporting tesla

indigo coral
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LOL.

wheat hatch
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LOL

eager kite
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Simply seeing if the guy is consistent

indigo coral
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I'm actually wondering, can Model 3 do the 'ring without overheating?

dense shard
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I prefer the Taycan's styling.

wheat hatch
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Probably

fossil imp
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no it cant

wheat hatch
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Oh noes

dense shard
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As I said earlier I prefer my cars to have character lines.

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Tesla is a bit lacking... bland.

indigo coral
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Model S is based on a platform from 2012, so until it's redesigned I'm okay with cutting it some slack but if the 3 overheats then Tesla just had flawed design

dense shard
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I'm not upset with Porsche.

eager kite
dense shard
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Because the price of the Taycan is so far beyond the realm of reality that I don't care.

indigo coral
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Wat no the taycan is a great car

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4s even better

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103k base

dense shard
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The 4S brings the price down to reality, and frankly it could be better.

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I think I've said this... hold on

wheat hatch
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I mean, it should be able to do it just fine.
Since it's not about staying top speed for longer periods of time.

eager kite
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so you're not consistent, it's ok most people aren't @dense shard

dense shard
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wait wait wait wait

indigo coral
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Finally competition for the model S

stoic ledge
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Wow a car can drive on a public road Pogey

dense shard
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I remember dissing the Taycan a few days ago.

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Hold the hell up. Don't put words in my mouth Arial.

wheat hatch
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lmao @stoic ledge

eager kite
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"I'm not upset with Porsche."

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sorry

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not putting words in your mouth

dense shard
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Upset is a strong word.

eager kite
dense shard
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I'm not excited about the Taycan, but I'm not upset.

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Upset is having a family member die.

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Upset is crashing my car.

eager kite
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are you upset that they overpromised and underdelivered

dense shard
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No. I'm not upset.

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I'm just disappointed.

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I don't think extreme emotional responses are a good use of my time.

eager kite
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so you are disappointed as well that with tesla they said they would get a 5k running rate by the end of 2017 but it didn't happen until 2018

dense shard
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Yes, very.

eager kite
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why very

dense shard
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Because the Model 3 was actually exciting to see happen.

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I wanted to be proven wrong.

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They had every ability, chance, and drive to prove me wrong.

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They proved my predictions right.

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Which is disappointing.

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If I owned stock I'd be upset.

eager kite
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I mean they weren't on time with the prediction but the contents of it came true nonetheless

dense shard
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Eventually.

eager kite
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yea not to long after their prediction

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and they seem to be getting better at it recently

dense shard
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And if Porsche doesn't delivery on their ultra charging by 2021 I'll be also quite upset.

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Because Porsche resources are vastly deeper than Tesla's.

eager kite
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we can agree on that

wheat hatch
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There ya go

dense shard
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But if I had 40k to blow on an EV.

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I'd get a Hyundai.

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And use the left over 10k to buy a used Miata or something.

indigo coral
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At one point Kia mentioned doing am EV version of the Stinger but I don't think that's happening :'(

dense shard
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Everyone is left in a funk right now.

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EVs didn't hit critical mass yet.

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Tesla is powered on memes. (and the charger network)

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The rest are just... products on the market.

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If you can afford only one electric car... you get a Tesla for the range potential.

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If you can afford two cars... you get either one of the Germans... or a Tesla because that's cool.

eager kite
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I mean, for me personally, I'd prefer getting a car I can take road trips on

dense shard
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Even as a commuting proposition... you don't get a Leaf or a budget electric because you can save 10 grand and get a Corolla that's loaded.

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Or save 15, and get a base Corolla.

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Or save 20 and get a Kia Rio... which isn't as bad as people thing anymore.

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If I HAD to go electric.

indigo coral
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The Rio isn't half bad

dense shard
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I'd go for a Tesla. My doubts on their survival aside... they're the key.

indigo coral
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The cheap Kia's aren't as fancy as the stinger obviously but they're not bad at all

dense shard
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They have all the basic tech you want.

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And are cheap to run.

eager kite
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The other EVs aren't horrible, they just aren't on the same level as a Tesla

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and they can't travel

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which for most people is a deal breaker

stoic ledge
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and they can't travel
GWmythsBlobGlare

eager kite
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yea they can't travel

dense shard
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You can't take a Kona very far.

eager kite
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try going cross country in anything besides a Tesla

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it would be hell

dense shard
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280 miles of range aside... the super charger network is kinda what makes Teslas a no brainer as a primary car.

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Secondary car... dunno... Teslas are still the "cool choice"

stoic ledge
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The Kona still has a real world range of 400+ km

dense shard
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I think the Koreans are the best alternative.

eager kite
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yes but that isn't useful if it takes 8 hours to charge

stoic ledge
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Same as a standard range Model 3

dense shard
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If you are using an EV as a commuter.

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The charging time isn't an issue.

eager kite
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yes ik

dense shard
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You plug it in at night, and have a full charge by morning.

stoic ledge
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They're working on that, or maybe they fixed it already? Idk

eager kite
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which means you would buy these other EVs as secondary cars

dense shard
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And it's not like you charge anything from zero.

eager kite
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not primary cars

dense shard
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I mean... here's teh question.

eager kite
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sure, but if you're going on a road trip

dense shard
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How often do you go on long road trips?

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You could just rent a car.

eager kite
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you're gonna get it pretty low

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I go on few hundred mile road trips every month or so

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longer ones at least 4 times a year

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so renting a car would mean I'm paying probably $5K to $10k a year

stoic ledge
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I just fill up my car if I want to take a road trip pogey

eager kite
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The point is that commuter cars wouldn't work for people like me

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for normal people just going to work and back every day

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these lower range, poor charging infrastructure cars are great

stoic ledge
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"poor charging infrastructure"

Laughs in Ionity

eager kite
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ionity also has a shit charging infrastructure

stoic ledge
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Tesla was also shit, just wait a couple of months, they are popping up everywhere

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Tesla is still meh, wow we have 5 superchargers at a hotel here nearby, that's it. Woah, fancy

dense shard
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Could be worse.

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The only super charger in Birmingham is in a sketchy part of town next to an interstate that has been torn down.

eager kite
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0 ionity chargers in the US

dense shard
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For now.

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And apparently the US will have a different network... one which will be built out by Ford & Co.

fossil imp
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meanwhile in the uk....

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fuck all

stoic ledge
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It's pure coincidence there's a station nearby, the first next one is in another country 60km from here

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So convenient

eager kite
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damn even the euro network is super small

dense shard
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60km between chargers isn't bad.

fossil imp
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i lie theres one in my multistorey carpark, funny watching every1 fight over it as i make my way home

eager kite
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yea, most of them only have 4 stalls

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like wtf

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0 futureproofing there

stoic ledge
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Also all just 120kW, so fast ned with 150kW can charge faster pogey

eager kite
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current tesla supercharger map

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grey are ones being built in 2019

stoic ledge
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X doubt they will be finished in 3 months

eager kite
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ionity map for reference

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Most of those are already built

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Tesla updates this map once a year

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but Tesla navigation updates them live

stoic ledge
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Ionity started just 12 months ago

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Big upside: many manufacturers can use them

dense shard
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Ford's will be universal apparently.

eager kite
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many manufacturers could use Tesla's network

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they just don't want to

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idk why

dense shard
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Privacy issues I imagine.

eager kite
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mmm

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pretty easy to set up a system to use Tesla's supercharger network without giving out any trade secrets

dense shard
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Not trade secrets.

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Customer data.

eager kite
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?

dense shard
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Tesla can track the customers of other car company users.

eager kite
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as will Ionity

dense shard
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Ionity is an independent company.

eager kite
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sure

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and they need your information to charge you

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for your charge stay

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either way the company is going to use your information

dense shard
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Yes, but they won't be giving it to a competitor.

eager kite
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ok, I still don't see why that would make a difference

dense shard
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Ask that to the other auto makers.

eager kite
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not much Tesla can do with the knowledge of what competitor EVs are charging where

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like, it'll just be a blanket, "they're charging all over europe"

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but yea, Tesla has offered that any auto company that wants to use their network they are willing to work out a deal with

stoic ledge
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I'm quite curious for next year, we're getting quite a lot of new EVs

Peugeot e-208, Opel/Vauxhall Corsa-e, Renault Zoe
Honda e (but that's too expensive)
Polestar 2, XC40 P8, XC40 P4, ID.3, and I'm probably forgetting some

eager kite
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yea the future is looking more EV by the minute

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which is great

stoic ledge
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So far this year, more EVs than diesels have been sold in 🇳🇱 *

* sold a.k.a obtained as company cars

eager kite
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cool

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good for reducing emissions

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as a lot of company cars put a ton of miles on

stoic ledge
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Good for spending my tax money puggers

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Nah 75+% of new cars sold here are company cars anyways

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Only elderly people or richies can afford new cars xD

eager kite
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I mean it's good either way

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if the majority of new cars are EVs

stoic ledge
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Well it's not the majority, that's still gas

eager kite
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means that more people are buying EVs, and the used market will in a few years or so become more dominated with EVs

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ah sorry

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read your thing wrong

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well

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EV is still better than diesel

stoic ledge
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means that more people are buying EVs, and the used market will in a few years or so become more dominated with EVs

Inb4 they all get exported

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We've seen it before, PHEV's were nearly free as company cars, and now 80% of those PHEVs have been exported (fact)

indigo coral
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oof

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i have to agree with arial on the thing about Evs being better than shitty dieselst hough

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i'd never get a diesel unless its a big truck

stoic ledge
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2010-2012 people were stimulated to buy small diesels pogey

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And the year after, they were like nah screw that, here have some massive taxes

eager kite
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dieselgate amirite guys

stoic ledge
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Yes

eager kite
unreal terrace
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@stoic ledge you forgot the G-wiz

stoic ledge
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Best EV, yes

unreal terrace
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The best EV is this

stoic ledge
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Oof you just lifted it too another level

unreal terrace
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They're like Tesla's in every way, slow, heavy and expensive

jagged coyote
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but telsas can't lift tho linusKappa

eager kite
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poor tesla shorts

shadow osprey
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Anyone ever done/gotten rust repair done before? Trying to fix some rust on the bottom of my doors on my dodge so I can prep it to sell. Wondering what a rough cost would be. It's about the bottom half inch of both front doors, front to back

tropic silo
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laughs in all aluminium

shadow osprey
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It's a 20 year old truck, chill a bit lol

fossil imp
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@shadow osprey i mean u can do it on the cheap but it wont last, best way is to reskin the door

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on the cheap would be a couple hundred bucks or less

shadow osprey
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I more worried about the amount of material on that section of the door. I'm afraid if I grind it down, it'll grind the bottom of the door off

fossil imp
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oh u not painting it?

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jus prep

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meh

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lol is the rust that bad then?

shadow osprey
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Wait would I not paint it... it'll just rust again

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No, but it's literally two pieces of sheet metal. It's the bottom of the door. Like the bottom bottom where it meets the rocker panel

fossil imp
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only 1 way to find out

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grind away if it falls apart weld in new 😄

shadow osprey
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-_- that's why I'm getting a 3rd party opinion

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You buyin a welder?

fossil imp
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no 😄

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i mean u wont know until u try so

shadow osprey
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Yeah but I'm not tryna drive around with a missing section of door

fossil imp
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stab the area with a screwdriver if it feels solid then start grindin n sanding

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if not find a friendly welder 😉

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buy a new door from a scrappy?

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cheap

shadow osprey
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I'm not stabbing my doors with a screw driver. It's not a farm truck lmao

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I know the techniques of finding rust

fossil imp
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if its bad i would jus get another door tbh

shadow osprey
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Might, depends on what the shop says

fossil imp
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less hassle

shadow osprey
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It's litertally a half inch tall

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I really don't wanna go through the trouble of finding mint white doors

fossil imp
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then get on with it geez

shadow osprey
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which is impossible for a second gen dodge

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All I wanted was to know if anyone had a guess at pricing dog lol

fossil imp
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lol

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idk

shadow osprey
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I know what my options are

fossil imp
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could be 100 bucks could be thousands

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lol

shadow osprey
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thanks

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👌

fossil imp
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when ive had it happen i just got it reskinned

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then it was like new

shadow osprey
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what do you mean reskinned

fossil imp
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separate the whole panel weld on a new one

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or cut out the rusty area and patch it

shadow osprey
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well.. it's on both sides so

fossil imp
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yes either would still work

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reskin or patch

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but

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not worth doing without prep n paint

shadow osprey
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Yeah but i'd have to reskin the inside sheet and outside sheet. so... a new door

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I'm still curious as to who grinds down rust then leaves bare metal

fossil imp
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well u would prime it at least

shadow osprey
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I know lol that was me saying paint is obvious

fossil imp
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i meant topcoat

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earlier

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jus yeet the door n sell it

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done

shadow osprey
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lol

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Jeep style ok

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Good idea for october

fossil imp
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👍

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sell it next summer then

shadow osprey
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Still doesn't fix the rust problem -___-

fossil imp
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just go for it

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whats the worst that can happen

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get stuck in lad

shadow osprey
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I have to buy new doors and get them paint matched, which will undoubtedly be the most expensive option

fossil imp
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nah it'll be fine

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if its only an inch like u said

shadow osprey
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On the thinnest part of the door

fossil imp
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i had a similar thing on 1 of my cars, bottom corner of the door fell apart when i got the grinder on it

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i just packed the whole area with filler lol

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job done

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sold

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u could fibreglass the area to shape it nicely

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then yeet it with bondo

shadow osprey
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I don't think you're understanding what I'm talking about... it's sheet metal thick. There's nothing behind it. If it grinds away, I can't patch it with chicken wire and bondo, or fill it with expandable foam and glass it

fossil imp
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u can lol

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like i said i had the exact samething happen

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look do u want to sell it or not?

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lol

shadow osprey
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I want it to look nice

fossil imp
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😩

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then u have to pay

shadow osprey
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all I asked for was A PRICE

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geez lmfao

fossil imp
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and i told u

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jesus christ

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do it on the cheap for cents or pay hundreds maybe more

shadow osprey
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Ok, but anyone can say that

fossil imp
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there is no fixed price

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coz its dependant on how deep the rust is

shadow osprey
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Considering the volume of people on this server, I was hoping someone could at the very least give an hourly rate

fossil imp
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which dictates what kinda job is needed

shadow osprey
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Yes I know

fossil imp
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y not just take it to a local shop n get a quote?

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hourly rates is what 50-60 bucks

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well here it is

shadow osprey
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Is that like GBP or something cause I need to move to wherever you live

fossil imp
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yes

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for a quick/cheap job it would be about that

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plus materials

shadow osprey
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Yeah it's more like 100-150 in the US

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well for a mechanic

fathom socket
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the hourly rate at the lexus dealer here is $165 an hour

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ahahahahha

shadow osprey
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Damn

indigo coral
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Just for lolz I messaged the Lexus dealer asking how much a new trans would be for my car

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A 100k mile rebuilt unit, installed, is 7000$

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L. O. L.

shadow osprey
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Holy poop

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Might as well LS swap it for that

fathom socket
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i wanted to get some parts for my lexus

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third brake light 488

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toyota brake like 144

carmine summit
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About your rust Cereal, find someone parting out the same year/colour truck as yours and buy the doors of they're clean. Or find some in a junkyard. It would be easier and cheaper than fixing or taking it to a body shop.

eager kite
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Time to officially take the record back

meager basalt
fair bronze
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Let's hope those teeth won't rust

stoic ledge
fathom socket
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looks like a minivan to me

stoic ledge
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It's the passenger version of a commercial van, converted to RWD with a 3.5 TT V6 (:

carmine summit
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wait so it's normally a FWD commercial van

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I'm used to vans being built on truck chassis and being RWD, that's a foreign concept to me

stoic ledge
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Yes it's usually FWD

shadow osprey
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@carmine summit I’m gonna try to poke around a junkyard this weekend, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Second gen dodges are hard to find in good shape

carmine summit
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oh it's a second gen? good luck lol. We have a 98 2500 that needs fenders, only good set we've been able to find that match were on a mint 1500 that they wanted $6k for.

indigo coral
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3.5TT v6 isn't bad but why would you out one in a one-off special car? Plonk a big ass v8 in there or something

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Twin turbo v8

wheat hatch
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@indigo coral Probably no space

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.kek.

carmine summit
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Hyundai probably doesn't have a V8, but they do have a V6

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just use what you already have, but with multiple turbos

stoic ledge
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I don't think they already have a 3.6 V6, or it must be an old one

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Or it's the 3.3 V6, increased to 3.6

carmine summit
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3.5

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I'm guessing it's a lambada engine

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the Stinger GT has a 3.3 lambada engine, probably a 3.5 with Stinger GT parts

indigo coral
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There's a V8 in the K900

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Hyundai owns Kia

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slap two turbos on that

fathom socket
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have you seen the hyundai equus

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ultimate package

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i almost bought one but then i was like... i cant be in the back seat I gotta drive it danCry

dense shard
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Unf

indigo coral
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Oh yeah the Genesis stuff has v8s too (except for the G70)

dense shard
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Essentially 4 mpg over the EPA rating.

unreal terrace
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I cry when I don't get 50mpg PepeHands

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Usually i get 55, but now with winter tyres I get 45

dense shard
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I manual XSE Corolla... I can expect mid 30s on average.

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Over 37, and that's great.

indigo coral
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👀 I just filled up and got 17.6mpg

fathom socket
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looks good as a flag on wallpaper engine

fathom socket
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@serene seal

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Why?

fathom socket
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@load

fathom socket
heady ridge
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curssed russian car

bright gulch
unreal terrace
stoic ledge
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American All Season vs European All Season, damn

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Also: European All Season brakes on shorter distances than Winter tires?

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continues to drive on sumner tires during winter

unreal terrace
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I'm confused as to what European all season tyres are and what winter tyres are

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Probably cuz of Swedish legislation being what it is, there's winter tyres and everything that isn't winter tyres are summer tyres

stoic ledge
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European all Season tyres are probably the regular "in between" tyres with M+S indication (Mud and Snow) and/or a snowflake on the side, so they are allowed in Germany when there is snow

unreal terrace
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Hmm 🤔

stoic ledge
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For example:

  • Michelin Primacy 4/Energy Saver Plus/...: summer
  • Michelin CrossClimate Plus: all-season
  • Michelin Alpin 6: winter
unreal terrace
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But what's extreme winter then? :P

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Crossclimate plus are summer tyres here :p

civic spoke
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Extreme winter tires sound like tires designed for Nordic climates.

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Stuff that's supposed to work in super cold weathers.

jagged coyote
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IIRC i've got all seasons, not like we see much snow here...

stoic ledge
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That's like 1cm of snow xD

indigo coral
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We had an extremely unusual/crazy storm, had 30 inches of snow fall when most winters we get like 2inches

civic spoke
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What would be a cheap car for daily commuting to/from work?

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Currently doing 100 km's daily. starP

indigo coral
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definitely not a lexus rx if you care about gas money

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xD

civic spoke
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At least on weekdays.

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I'd be something diesel.

indigo coral
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oh

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ew

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ok

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i have no idea then cause nobody sells diesel sedans over here

civic spoke
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I would probably be happy with a VW Polo or something similar. starX

indigo coral
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polo is little hatchback isnt it?

civic spoke
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Yeah

indigo coral
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afaik the smallest hatchback we get over here is the GTI and thats short lived

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not 100% sure though

civic spoke
indigo coral
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VW might not sell Golf in america either

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They've said "It's still under consideration"

dense shard
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VW working hard to alienate their entire fanbase.

indigo coral
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so is Ford

civic spoke
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The funny thing is that we have a size smaller than the Polo.

indigo coral
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cancelling all their sedans

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isnt it the Up!

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?

civic spoke
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Yeah, it is.

dense shard
#

No more Golf, no more Sportwagen, but all we get is the rubbish USDM Passat.

indigo coral
#

only reason I know about it is from watching Bjorn nylands yt channel xD

dense shard
#

Well the Passat is sticking around in the US market.

indigo coral
#

for now

dense shard
#

errr... Jetta*

#

The Passat is paid off. VW isn't losing money on selling those.

#

They just refreshed the last gen US market one, and called it good.

#

The new Jetta is MQB or whatever the platform is called, but it's still very much a cut corner Golf.

indigo coral
#

Its a shame that Ford cancelled the fusion, it was one of their better cars

dense shard
#

It was in need of an update.

indigo coral
#

ye, but still a good car.

dense shard
#

It was falling behind the competition.

#

It was good, but not good enough

indigo coral
#

fusion sport had what, 330hp or something? update it and off to the races, but instead they cancelled it xD

dense shard
#

The Sport was a limited model like the Hellcat.

indigo coral
#

thing is doesnt some of their crossovers ride on the same/similar platform?

dense shard
#

Edge I imagine.

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Granted I think Ford have moved on to new platforms for their crossovers.

indigo coral
#

yeah

dense shard
#

China Taurus is supposedly based on the Fusion.

indigo coral
#

We've got a 2013 SHO

#

good car but holy shit its poorly packaged

#

its a biiig car and the back seat is tiny

dense shard
#

So I've heard.

#

A car to compete against the Avalon.

indigo coral
#

front seat is great, I'm about 6 ft and hit the ceiling with my head and front seats with my knees in the back

dense shard
#

It struggled to beat an Avalon from 8 years ago on release.

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Hell... on interior dimensions it failed to beat the previous Taurus... which shared a freaking platform.

indigo coral
#

ye, better in the Avalon in terms of performance though. Ours has the performance pack plus so its actually not bad (tighter shocks, steering and bigger brakes)

dense shard
#

The SHO, sure.

#

But the standard package V6 wasn't that much better.

indigo coral
#

yeah

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I think the only way you could justify a taurus over another car is 1. being a resolute ford person or 2. wanting hte SHO for performance

stoic ledge
#

@civic spoke the Polo 1.2 TDI is quite shite, Fiat Punto (Evo) feels like a much nicer car to drive

civic spoke
dense shard
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The later SHOs were excellent.

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Especially when they added extra cooling and larger brakes.

indigo coral
#

ye

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its really quite impressive to drive being as big of a sedan as it is

dense shard
#

But like the Challenger and Charger... it's hard to cover up the less than brilliant platform underneath.

indigo coral
#

My dad bought his two years ago, heavily depreciated

dense shard
#

At least the FCA cars are RWD and have room.

indigo coral
#

its only got 24k miles on it LOL.

dense shard
#

nice!

indigo coral
#

charger isnt much better

#

back seat in that is miniscule

dense shard
#

Personally I remain a fan of the Japanese.

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If I had to get a large sedan... it would either be a Lexus ES or an Avalon.

indigo coral
#

You know what my answer is. 😂

stoic ledge
#

Stinger/G70 eyes

indigo coral
#

damn right

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G70 is more midsize though

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Stinger is big

dense shard
#

Poland likes their cars.

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"Passat wagon is better than the Tiguan."

#

Is the Xceed a wagon, tall wagon, or a crossover?

unreal terrace
#

Wagons > SUVs amirite

dense shard
#

Depends on your use case.

civic spoke
#

Might look into Volvo's. tbh

dense shard
#

Think I'm gonna go ahead and try out my car's wifi hotspot trial.

fathom socket
#

No one has done a burnout on the new Ford GT o:

civic spoke
#

They haven't?

fathom socket
#

Well I haven't heard of anything like it so I watched two videos of it and it was amazing lol

dense shard
#

Because most people are waiting to flip em.

fathom socket
#

Super cars are always flat tho

dense shard
#

Depends on the car.

fathom socket
#

Yeah

dense shard
#

Porsche limited editions always shoot up in value.

#

Ford and Aston Martin have tried to take steps against it.

#

I think Porsche maybe has?

fathom socket
#

:3

civic spoke
#

What's the price of the 911R now?

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They were being sold for like $1,000,000 at their worst.

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I think you can get them for $300,000 now

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New they were like $200k

fathom socket
#

i'm going to test drive this tomorrow danGood

stoic ledge
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Also ^^^ the carfax redirects to the front page :(

dense shard
#

Taycan is faster.

stoic ledge
#

According to the comments, it's fake

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Or rigged

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Or whatever

carmine summit
#

musk fanboys

dense shard
#

It's probably not a direct side by side comparison.

stoic ledge
#

We'll have to wait what our experience expert Arial thinks of it

dense shard
#

But if the cars are within half a second of each other... they're essentially the same to me.

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And to 99% of people out there.

carmine summit
#

again, new car company vs. Porsche

stoic ledge
#

0-250 is a huge difference tho pogey

dense shard
#

Tesla isn't that new anymore.

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Yeah... founded in 2003.

stoic ledge
#

https://www.tvnow.de/shows/auto-mobil-174/2019-10/episode-41-thema-heute-u-a-porsche-taycan-mit-alex-1934098

There is also another video on YouTube, but it's odly cut to 0.37 leaving out the important sections. Above is the original video, from a German motoring show. They did test them in the wet, but the Taycan was faster in a drag race. Also the Model S understeered in a kind of eland-test (so they had to abort)

TVNOW Mediathek
Thema heute u.a.: Porsche Taycan mit Alex - auto mobil - Oktober 2...

Archiv von Thema heute u.a.: Porsche Taycan mit Alex der Show auto mobil: Oktober 2019 ►im Online Stream von TVNOW ansehen.

dense shard
#

The moose test is more important than the 0-100 km/h test.

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Name is still stupid.

#

What's a taycan, and why turbo S?

stoic ledge
#

It's an EV with a turbo, duh

fathom socket
#

the car i was going to test drive sold danSad

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2005 boxster with a 6 speed manual

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164k miles

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10,440

#

at this rate i'll never own a porsche

tight cypress
#

where is my Kaas exhaust at

#

im gettin mad

civic girder
#

oh man

#

that feel when you do something to your car to make it objectively 100x better

dense shard
#

Buy a new one?

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Okay... what did you actually do?

#

New tires?

fathom socket
indigo coral
#

wtf is that

#

a neon with a viper nose?

fathom socket
#

looks like a civic to me

civic girder
#

@dense shard (late replay, lol)
Last week I swapped out the belts, but the car was still kinda sluggish and that introduced a really fucking loud squeal at 4krpm and higher.
I figured out what was squealing, which was the air pump pulley bearings. Since the air pump is a non-essential piece of the emissions system, I took the belt off. Engine is revving freely without the bad bearing holding it back. Redline is now easy and quick. As far as I can tell, I may have boosted power output by a slim margin as well, no more than 5hp max.

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by decommissioning the air pump, part of the emissions system is now non functional. which is a general improvement, cleaner sound and nice stronk smell of burnt oil + 2 stroke + gas. next step will be a cat delet, rats nest delet, and removing the air pump and replacing it with block plates until I get a new exhaust manifold.

stoic ledge
fair bronze
civic girder
fair bronze
#

Dude, that's sexy

civic girder
#

thx man

night current
#

That's a beauty right there.

shadow cedar
#

CAR SPOTS CAR SPOTS CAR SPOTS

indigo coral
#

nice

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I ought to just flood htis channel (and then get banned) with my spotted pics XD

shadow cedar
#

haha

dense shard
#

A breakdown on how automatic transmissions work.

dense shard
#

My friend has a Type R.

#

Lots of bent rims and suspension.

#

I'd say 18 inch wheels are large as you'd practically want to go. Even then...

#

don't we all

#

I'll just say this.

#

Corolla hatch may not be faster, but it is better looking.

#

Not a fan of the over all styling... or the dead plastic vents.

#

That remains the single dumbest thing ever.

fathom socket
#

yeah that new corolla hatchback is hot fire

#

i agree

#

now if they shoe horned the turbo from the lexus NX into that hatchback they'd have a hot seller danGood

#

(not that corollas struggle to sell)

dense shard
#

That would be fun.

#

But the 168 is more than adequate.

fathom socket
#

yeah but 235 horsepower danYes

eager kite
dense shard
#

sure

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But at this point I'm super happy they're offering the new generation with a manual transmission.

#

Then again I'd have seriously considered skipping that if they had just brought the hybrid model to the US.

#

Cause that would have been sweet.

fathom socket
#

they 2020 corolla non hatchback has the prius hybrid in it

#

54mpg i think

dense shard
#

Yeah, but not the good looks of the hatch.

fathom socket
#

and it doesnt look all special needs like the prius danLUL

dense shard
#

The hatchback hybrid is just... excellent looking.

fathom socket
#

oh yeah they really nailed it with the hatchback

#

i've been eyeballing it for like 5 months

dense shard
#

go test drive it.

#

It feels as good as it looks.

#

Very comfy seats.

#

Did I mention I own this one?

#

So yes. I'm totally unbiased. 😂

fathom socket
#

i dont like how they refuse to put a sporty engine in the corolla but they still but like sport bucket seats in it

#

it's tone deaf danLUL

dense shard
#

"sporty" buckets

#

They're comfy... they kind of hold you in.

#

But they're no Si seats.

#

And once again... the new 2.0 is plenty sporty.

#

It's a slow car fast.

fathom socket
#

the corolla is meant to be the creme de la creme of econo boxes and putting sports seats in it just danSad

dense shard
#

I think you are putting too much weight behind the sports bit.

fathom socket
#

and furthermore they put paddle shifters on a cvt danLUL

dense shard
#

Then again I think most people have way too high an expectation of modern econoboxes.

fathom socket
#

if you get the auto

dense shard
#

Apparently a pretty good autobox.

#

Didn't try it. I went for the manual.

fathom socket
#

yeah it's got like a real first gear then the rest is cvt

#

or some such black magic

dense shard
#

if it works, it works

fathom socket
#

danHmm does that hatchback have the new 2.0 with the port and direct fuel injection

dense shard
#

yep

fathom socket
#

most excellent

dense shard
#

very

#

It's a nice engine.

#

Pulls reasonably well, and gets 41 mpg if you take it easy.

#

On the highway that is.

#

Also that white leather interior is 💯

fathom socket
#

oh yeah i've always been a huge fan of lexus and they get the same guys on the interiors for toyota

#

amazing stuff

dense shard
#

Especially the blue glow at night.

fathom socket
#

i was just watching the engineering explained on the new dynamic force engine toyota is putting out with the 40% thermal

#

good stuff

dense shard
#

Interior has this nice art deco vibe to it.

fathom socket
#

how is that a J vin car or a 1-4 vin

dense shard
#

It's a J.

fathom socket
dense shard
#

All the hatchbacks ought to be made in Japan.

#

My car was assembled in...

#

Toyota, Aichi, Japan

#

She was built in June. Same time I was getting ready to leave Japan. heh

fathom socket
#

that thing has an electronic thermostat and water pump

dense shard
#

yep

fathom socket
#

that can lower the voltage and speed going to it

#

for greater effeciency

dense shard
#

And electronically controlled intake valve timing.

fathom socket
#

now is that belt driven

dense shard
#

cams are still chain

fathom socket
#

or does it have a timing chain

dense shard
#

Thankfully

fathom socket
#

man on paper it sounds pretty damn good

dense shard
#

It's good in practice tbh.

fathom socket
#

well they're all pretty nice when they're brand new

#

tbf

dense shard
#

I'm totally unbiased.

#

Please ignore the fact I own a new Toyota. lol

fathom socket
#

danW uh-huh

#

danLook sure

dense shard
#

orz

#

I wonder which factory my car was built in.

#

Found it... probably.

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Takaoka Plant in Aichi prefecture.

stoic ledge
#

Can't you decipher the VIN and find out the plant it was built?

#

Yes

#

(also different site, but from what I've seen the Toybota page is similar)

stoic ledge
#

Yes 👀

#

That's quite cool

#

Try this

#

Rip

#

Well check the car

#

Or your registration

#

Should be on both of them

#

xD

#

Oof

unreal terrace
fair bronze
#

1.9 diesel in a 1990 Punto?

unreal terrace
#

i have a lower class car

#

i think the chassis is called 199.0 internally

fair bronze
#

Right, the Punto came in 1994

#

Didn't even realise

#

And back then it had a 1.7 diesel

#

What year is yours?

unreal terrace
#

Built November 06, but model year 07

fair bronze
#

Love that model

unreal terrace
fair bronze
unreal terrace
#

With 130hp is a pretty fun little car:p

fair bronze
#

No doubt!

#

I still have the original brochure

#

Italian design at its best imo

unreal terrace
#

It's definitely the best looking super mini

#

And probably the roomiest

fair bronze
#

Might sound weird to some but I prefer "regular" cars over supercars

#

The facelifts Fiat gave the Punto didn't really help, the first version always looked the nicest I think

unreal terrace
#

I like the newer headlights more

fair bronze
#

They only darkened them, didn't they?

unreal terrace
#

But I find it very difficult not figure out what they could've changed to make it look different

#

Yeah

#

I might get a pair for mine, to go with the black wheels and such

fair bronze
unreal terrace
#

That looks like they went; "We have to change something but we don't know what to change"

fair bronze
#

Exactly, it still looks good but not as good as the first one

#

Looks a bit messy

unreal terrace
#

Ye

#

They should just have given it new head lights and maybe a honeycomb grill? That's like it

fair bronze
#

Just some minor changes would have been enough

unreal terrace
#

Ye

#

That's basically what they did actually, they gave it a different bumper and new lights

fair bronze
#

The rear changed more than the front

#

It looks confused

unreal terrace
#

Compare the front with mine or the blue you sent, you'll see that the front bumper is the same in terms of mounting

fair bronze
#

Of course, it's all interchangable

unreal terrace
#

Ye elongated the snout looks odd

#

They should have changed the mirrors, put them in that window Infront of the front door

#

They kinda look like antennae or something

fair bronze
#

I get that

stoic ledge
#

I quite like the look of the Evo model

#

Also, they went Punto -> Grande Punto -> Punto Evo -> Punto pogey

unreal terrace
#

If it wasn't for the snout they gave it :p

stoic ledge
#

Well the Evo isn't bad, the later Punto (non-Evo) is odd due to the rounded shape

#

(imho)

unreal terrace
#

hmm they just replaced the punto with the larger 500 over here 😛

stoic ledge
#

Larger 500?

carmine summit
#

maybe he means the 500L

stoic ledge
#

Probably, but that's quite a lot bigger compared to the Punto

fair bronze
#

The Evo still looks nice yeah

#

Also you can say you drive an Evo

stoic ledge
#

Yes pogey

fair bronze
#

Y'all are scared to use emotes but I've never seen one get kicked for it

#

Only $avage but he's special

indigo coral
#

Mk got tempbanned for it iirc

fair bronze
#

Still don't get it

indigo coral
#

Im next in line

fair bronze
stoic ledge
#

Foxy and Red Baboon also got muted once iirc

#

Ah and alebret3 too xD

fair bronze
#

There's no rule for it though?

#

Unless you spam them alot

stoic ledge
#

First we made have spammed them a little... But then they asked us to stop spamming so we did, we just used the like everybody else. Still got muted.

#

pogey

fair bronze
#

Hmpf

stoic ledge
#

So now we are obligated to use them lime this, to make sure we won't get muted stuck_out_tongue

fair bronze
#

Modern problems require modern solutions

stoic ledge
#

Exactly upside_down_face

fathom socket
civic spoke
#

I saw a Celilca today.
It had Castrol livery.
With mudguards and all that.

desert glen
#

Virginia gang

#

Wouldn’t be a bad work truck

civic girder
#

well

#

if it continues to rain, it will be fun driving home today

#

especially now that the RX-7 is faster

unreal terrace
#

Tesla knicked my idea with the aerodynamic hubcaps PepeHands

jagged coyote
#

slap on some pot cover on these bad bois and gains 2 mile a gallon

warm sparrow
unreal terrace
#

the thrust SSC has similar wheels thinkcircle

eager kite
#

gotta love it

indigo coral
#

rip. hopefully it doesn't affect their work towards cool cars (a-la Stinger/G70)

dense shard
#

Probably won't.

#

I'd say the insider trading might do em in sooner.

indigo coral
#

o theyre insider trading?

#

i've not been keeping up with their stuff much

dense shard
#

There's some weird shit going on with the Korean chaebol.

#

Including basically being family run.

indigo coral
#

like samsung

dense shard
#

Samsung, Hyundai, and LG I believe.

dense shard
indigo coral
#

i read that

#

ford is f*cking stupid

#

they've lost their minds recently

dense shard
#

how do you fuck up the launch of an Explorer.

#

The damn thing hasn't changed enough to give you troubles.

indigo coral
#

i have no idea

#

a friend of mine, his dad is a manager of a Ford dealer, he says theyve been having huge problems already

flint sable
#

“Why are you in the house again, I thought I told you to stay outside”

📎 image0.jpg
civic girder
#

my future self right here, living alone surrounded by barely operational rotary powered cars

fathom socket
fair bronze
#

Pretty accurate

night current
#

Lol

viral matrix
jagged coyote
#

that's a smoke machine, totaly normal

mystic fable
#

@civic girder ive got a barely running rx8 for sale lol 86k miles

viral matrix
#

@jagged coyote I clean that up though

#

I hate the smell

jagged coyote
#

tbf it's gona help with keeping the rust controled GWjiangoOmegaLUL

viral matrix
#

Exhaust manifold rust is not a problem

civic girder
#

too bad I have no monies, no space, and already have a rotary to deal with right now. Otherwise I'd prolly take that 8 off your hands, depending on a couple of factors

stoic ledge
#

Oil is great as an anti-rust treatment ok_hand

viral matrix
stoic ledge
#

Pls remove those leafs k thnx

civic girder
#

^

#

I reeeeee'd when I saw the pine needles all over my car this morning

#

was cleaning them off while it warmed up
carbs in cold weather are 👌

unreal terrace
#

@viral matrix mines got it in an even worse place 🤣

#

Over the right driveshaft

viral matrix
unreal terrace
#

I just recognized that engine

viral matrix
#

It's still 10°C outside, still good for riding the bike

#

Imma do that

unreal terrace
#

Swapping the sparkplugs on that engine is a fun time notlikesteve

viral matrix
#

On the front row, yes

#

On the back row, not so much

#

Done that, been there

unreal terrace
civic girder
#

I should probably do plugs on both my cars

#

one should be pretty stupid easy, idk about the other

bitter compass
#

thoughts on vw id.3?

viral matrix
stoic ledge
#

The ID.3 is meh, years of developing and teasing... To come up with a vehicle similar to what Kia/Hyundai/Opel has been offering for quite some time now

# 
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
| VW ID.3   | Kia e-Niro | Opel Ampera-e | Tesla Model 3 SR+ |
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
| 204 hp    | 204 hp     | 204 hp        | 283 hp            |
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
| 58 kWh    | 64 kWh     | 60 kWh        | 62 kWh            |
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
| 420 km    | 455 km     | 424 km        | 409 km            |
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
| ± €42.000 | €42.510    | €44.799       | €49.998           |
+-----------+------------+---------------+-------------------+
bitter compass
#

idk since they already have the egolf with a lot less range but the id.3 with the 550km in the largest battery configuration beats it

i like the idea of the up and the golf going electric with the basic cars but the prices and the range suck
especially the e-up

dense shard
#

eGolf was just a compliance car.

#

ID.3 is supposed to be a dedicated electric.

bitter compass
#

tbh i wished they sticked to the golf design with it 👀

dense shard
#

They're both generic forgettable designs imo.

#

Though packaging of the ID.3 should be superior in every way.

#

Not needing an engine does open up the options usually.

fair bronze
bitter compass
#

i don't like the kinda futuristic approach of vw

dense shard
#

I hardly looks futuristic.

#

It looks like another VAG product.

#

Conservatively styled.

#

That is without a doubt... a VW.

bitter compass
#

seat 👀

#

vw in spanish xd

#

the font stripe between the lights actually reminds me of the up

dense shard
#

4 years in development. The car that is VW's future.

#

Can't say I'm impressed... but at least it's not a Bolt.

bitter compass
#

i really wish for a follow up to the e up, i just like that car but i don't want to buy a gasoline car anymore and also not something larger but also need some range

dense shard
#

I'm sure there will be an ID.2 in a few years.

#

They may even bring it to the market before Ford lays the log that will be the Mustang styled electric crossover.

#

Someone needs to slap the CEO of Ford.

indigo coral
#

I heard that the mustang crossover is only gonna have like

#

120hp

#

like its gonna be an eco crossover

#

not a performance

dense shard
#

As long as it has at least 300 miles of range.

desert glen
#

Drive throughs with a manual suckkkk

dense shard
#

It's aight.

#

Not the best experience, but it's aight.

indigo coral
#

aaah i finally got my stuff wired in

#

been doing ethernet

#

xD

stoic ledge
#

Drive throughs with a manual suckkkk

Why glare

desert glen
#

Well its not bad

#

but try going to a chick fil a on a busy road during lunch time

indigo coral
#

thats why you park your car and walk inside 😛

carmine summit
#

just be glad you don't have an upgraded clutch

#

When I engine swap my car I want a small diameter twin disc but that's a lot more work to drive

indigo coral
#

I just want the ZF 8HP in my next car 🙂

stoic ledge
#

ZF 8HP = best auto

carmine summit
#

x

#

PDK transmissions exist

#

Porsche dopplekupplungsgetriebe

dense shard
#

PDK isn't better.

indigo coral
#

^

dense shard
#

Dual clutches aren't as smooth is my understanding.

stoic ledge
#

ZF is definitely better

#

Torque converter > (dual) clutch auto

#

If I wanted clutches, I'd get a manual

dense shard
#

PDK may be faster?

#

Honestly the newest gen of torque converter automatics are super fast.

stoic ledge
#

Yeah it's faster, but not as smooth for daily driving

#

Getting of the line often isn't great, also quite slow when it has to do something it's not expecting (f.e sudden downshift due to overtaking)

civic spoke
#

I have seen a XC60 Pickup truck.

#

With three axles.

fair bronze
#

Why

stoic ledge
#

Oof

#

I've seen an XC90 pick-up once

viral matrix
indigo coral
#

why is that a thing

viral matrix
civic spoke
#

It's a Swedish site. And the money is in Swedish Crowns.

#

1,000 SEK = 93 Euro or 103 USD

stoic ledge
#

I'm not familiar with those studded tires

civic spoke
#

Hakkapeliitta are solid tires. But I'm not looking for studded.

#

Can't run them on certain streets here.

stoic ledge
#

Of normal winter tires, I know the Bridgestone Blizzak LM-005 came out tests quite well

#

Idk if that's something you're looking for

#

Continental WinterContact TS 860 is older but still very good

#

Michelin Alpin 6 is also a solid choice

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And, this one actually surprised me, the Apollo Aspire XP Winter performed very well

civic spoke
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I might go with the Michelin X-Ice XI3.

stoic ledge
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I'm not familiar with those (:

civic spoke
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So looks like a solid studless.

stoic ledge
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Not bad

desert glen
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I love when people trail out of jurisdiction cops

civic spoke
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But man, this reminds me that I should really get a diff for my car...

carmine summit
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winter tires from any reputable brand are fine

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source: I live in Canada

civic girder
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Lenny face

indigo coral
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kinky

fathom socket
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made a faster car

eager kite
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Tesla earnings call 2moro

eager kite
stoic ledge
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glare

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No HTTPS, 28 cookies without asking permission rage

narrow reef
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Nobody:

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Subaru owners:

unreal terrace
stoic ledge
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pogey

narrow reef
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lol

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if i had the money

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i might have done this myself

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take it out to the desert

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just do the fujiwara zone but in a Australian desert and in the wrong year Impreza

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@stuck flint i will run you over in this thing

stuck flint
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but why

narrow reef
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because why the fuck not

civic spoke
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I actually became mad at a Tesla driver just now.
He was obviously using "Autopilot". But his eyes were sunk so deep into his phone that it wasn't even funny.
He could at least pretend that he was paying attention to what was happening in front of him.

narrow reef
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yea

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alot of tesla drivers are like that sadly

stoic ledge
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Yup angery It's not autonomous driving, it's driving assistance

civic spoke
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Fancy cruise control

stoic ledge
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Well yeah it's adaptive cruise control + lane keeping assist

vital glen
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@stoic ledge I OWN A CAR THAT WILL DRIVE ITSELF

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I WILL BE ON TWITTER

stoic ledge
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angery No

civic spoke
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My car also drives itself.

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Briefly.

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Until it runs into a solid object.

desert glen
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All cars drive themselves

indigo coral
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for 20 seconds

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Lol

desert glen
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I still have good alignment

stoic ledge
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^ yeah i can drive highways without touching the wheel for minutes xD

fair bronze
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It's the all-new self driving Corsa

indigo coral
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I can't

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Car is just old

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It's decently in alignment but not perfect, just by nature of 20y/o parts and wheels

dense shard
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Tesla drivers think they're all special and stuff.

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But Nissan's propilot actually does a decent job of self driving on the highway.

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Which is horrifying.

carmine summit
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Mercedes has been working on self driving cars for 30+ years

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they've had some pretty significant success

dense shard
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Everyone has tbh.

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Except for America.

indigo coral
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lol

dense shard
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Like GM has super cruise.

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But I haven't heard much progress since it was released on a couple of cars.

indigo coral
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funny enough it would be useful to have it over here moreso than europe a lot of the time

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because americans tend to go on much longer drives

dense shard
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ain't that the truth.

indigo coral
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tesla is the only one thats doing anything usable

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super cruise is cool but requires too much maitenence

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they have to map the road before you can drive it, which has its benefits but isn't sustainable

dense shard
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I mean Super Cruise does work pretty cool, but I think Tesla's system seems to work better.

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Despite the hardware.

indigo coral
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that and Tesla's system is more ....

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flexible

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like its understanding whats going on more than super cruise, its not just taking in data from a pre-created map

dense shard
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Dunno if it's more flexible though.

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Tesla's systems are exclusively camera based now.

indigo coral
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super cruise doesn't work at all unless that company that GM paid has mapped the road

dense shard
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Which limits utility in bad weather.

indigo coral
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really?

dense shard
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No radar.

indigo coral
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they gave up on using the radar to supplement?

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wow

dense shard
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no lidar

indigo coral
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i knew no li-dar

dense shard
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I'd have to double check, but I believe it's all camera based now.

indigo coral
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i thought it was camera+ normal radar but idk for sure

dense shard
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oh wait, appears it does use radar.

carmine summit
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yeah I wouldn't trust it if it didn't have something other than a camera