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#cars
indigo coral
carmine summit
false sense of security leads to people driving too fast on slippery roads and sliding into ditches
carmine summit
I love driving past lifted 4WD trucks stuck in snowy ditches in a FWD vw
dense shard
We're talking about equivalents.
indigo coral
I live on a big hill. To get to that big hill, you have to go up another big hill. I'd rather not chance it with FWD
You can crash in any car if your a dipshit
dense shard
Frankly... the Sportwagen isn't a great argument over the Tiguan.
Cause spec for spec the Tiguan isnt' any worse... but it is far newer.
carmine summit
how is a 2019 tiguan newer than a 2019 sportwagen
indigo coral
For example when I get a Stinger GT, it will 100% be an AWD model instead of RWD
dense shard
The Sportwagen is based on an older platform.
And is being discontinued in the US either next year or this.
dense shard
More or less.
carmine summit
still both MQB platform, so not really a newer platform just a newer variation of the platform
dense shard
yep
eager kite
dense shard
newer variation
carmine summit
guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I'd rather save the $7k by buying a Sportwagen over a Tiguan but to each their own
carmine summit
Canadian Tiguan is $29k base
dense shard
24k in the US.
vs. 22k for the Sportwagen
Adding AWD to both narrows that price difference to about 1k.
stoic ledge
€35k here 😛 (1.5TSI)
dense shard
cripes
stoic ledge
130hp manual puggers
carmine summit
$24k base sportwagen here, $31k base 4MO Tiguan
dense shard
Give up your lovely quality of life, come to the US MK. Where the cars are cheap.
stoic ledge
Maybe I will 🙂
dense shard
Well cheaper.
stoic ledge
Or I move about .3 of a mile, a cross the border to Belgium xD Where cars are also much cheaper
dense shard
Man the Sportwagen isn't a great value proposition.
To get any features puts you into the 30s.
stoic ledge
Cheapest 4Motion Tiguan is €52k puggers
dense shard
So VW puts a 5000 dollar premium on the bigger but over the Golf.
lol no wonder they're killing it in the US.
okay, and the Golf isn't that great compared to my Corolla.
carmine summit
you can get a highline with 4 motion and a manual for $29k CAD
stoic ledge
4Motion is only with the DSG here (due to emissions, the manual is more expensive 😂 )
dense shard
Does it come with radar cruise control, lane keep assist, blind spot warning, and other nifty features that should come on a car priced at over 25k?
carmine summit
that's an $800 package
stoic ledge
The base one doesn't
dense shard
oof
carmine summit
if I was buying a car I'd rather not have those
dense shard
I thought that.
Until I started test driving cars.
Blind spot assist is excellent for peace of mind.
Radar cruise is just pure luxury.
The rest are just useful on long road trips.
carmine summit
meh
carmine summit
it may be nice but if I have the option I'd rather not have them
dense shard
why tho
carmine summit
because
dense shard
Why look for a car that is less safe?
carmine summit
if I could get one here I'd want an R wagon with no electronic assists
dense shard
But why.
dense shard
Yeah, you can drive with all that safety stuff.
Trust me.
I'm driving myself just fine in my car.
I dare say a good deal better than in my old Accord which didn't even have ABS.
carmine summit
the problem with a lot of those systems is that they're subject to failure, I wouldn't want to rely on the car to tell me someone is behind me only to have it fail and run over someone
dense shard
That's why you pay attention.
carmine summit
I like my MK3 because it has no electronics
dense shard
These systems don't supplant you. They supplement you.
The blind spot assist is there to give me a 3rd layer of security... on top of my mirrors and my own neck.
Back up camera is there as a second layer of security.
Radar Cruise is pure luxury, and I love it.
That being said. The crash prevention system... I think I finally figured it out.
carmine summit
adaptive cruise is another thing that would be nice, but is dangerous if it fails
dense shard
Not really.
It just stops working when it fails.
Meaning you have to do as they did in the 20th century.
And work dem pedals.
carmine summit
there have been cases of cruise systems being locked on while accelerating uncontrollably
carmine summit
more than one but yeah
dense shard
The brakes override the system.
The Prius one was a sham.
Toyota didn't say it outright, but they dispelled all other possibilities.
carmine summit
also Ford had a glitch that never actually occurred but was discovered after that incedent
dense shard
what year?
carmine summit
he was the head of Mustang Manual Transmission Systems for a while
dense shard
okay, and?
Modern car brakes can quite easily overpower the engine.
Assuming they don't have an interlock built in.
carmine summit
a lot do
carmine summit
I'll stick with my MK3, no cruise, no AC, no ABS, no power windows
dense shard
I'll stick with my 'rolla... all those and more.
stoic ledge
No AC... Yeah no thnx
carmine summit
I mean I've seen 105 F here in the summer
stoic ledge
It's also nice for demisting the windshield in the winter
dense shard
I've seen 100+ for 3 weeks running this year.
stoic ledge
105 F is hot af
dense shard
Rest of the time 90s.
stoic ledge
We had 40.7°C this year, a new record
Only 1 day tho
And I was on vacation so I didn't even notice it 😂
stoic ledge
Yeah, I'd spontaneously combust probably
stoic ledge
29°C is still hot xD
indigo coral
Wtf lol
My next car is gonna have all the safety features
I'm decidedly imperfect
If the car can help me drive and stay safe then that's great. Doesn't mean I won't pay attention or do my best to drive safely.
stoic ledge
Too bad there are many who use it wrong, and they start doing other stuff because "the car will steer/brake/drive"
:(
indigo coral
yeah no. But it's nice to have because if you make a mistake and the car helps you resolve it, it was 100% worth getting
dense shard
Added security is nice.
stoic ledge
Yeah I agree on that, it's a shame many abuse it tho
desert glen
put a turbo on my NA focus
stoic ledge
glare
tropic silo
Rollin coal boi
stoic ledge
I approve
indigo coral
Rolling coal automatically makes you a shithead.
warm epoch
image not rolling coal
devout yew
stoic ledge
Nope
dense shard
Who here said that Daimler was no longer developing gas engines?
"On Thursday, news spread around the internet that Daimler is out of the internal combustion engine game, for good. But a spokesperson told WIRED that's not the case. “Daimler AG has not made any decision to opt out of the development of internal combustion engines,” the spokesperson said in a statement, and noted that, because its newest generation of engine was “still in its introduction phase,” there is “no decision to be made on a potential next generation.” Daimler’s goal is still for half of all its 2030 car sales to be plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles."
dense shard
electrek
Ah yes... an article written by a Tesla stock owner.
go figure
I read somewhere VW is also ending development on gas engines.
But I have my doubts now.
raven owl
o
stoic ledge
X doubt
remote ridge
i find external detailing to be easiest during the night outside
or like late evening
remote ridge
im planning on waxing my windows sometime this week
dense shard
I'll probably just buy a decent wax/sealer.
desert glen
I don't really bother with the side windows
dense shard
And do it in the next few weeks.
desert glen
just rear and front
remote ridge
make sure when you clean your windshield to also clean the wiper blades and dont use alcohol because it will dry out the rubber
remote ridge
does anyone else watch chris fix
dense shard
I tried.
remote ridge
his supercleaning videos are where its at
dense shard
I realized that I have neither the time, patience, or money to super clean anything besides the dishes.
stoic ledge
> washing your car
I have my dad to do it for me puggers
dense shard
"Just use a foam cannon" he says attaching it to 500 dollar pressure washer.
stoic ledge
xD rip Charles "^"
remote ridge
i tend to focus on just rims and windows
dense shard
Do I have to use an orbital to wax? Apparently yes.
I just focus on getting the dirt and dust off.
remote ridge
im probably going to do a major super cleaning sesh once i can get my mx-5 to work again
stoic ledge
puggers
remote ridge
the only car ive done a body wax on was on a 12 passenger nissan van
i didnt realize how far off karate kid was
stoic ledge
I waxed my car twice since I own it? It's a really time consuming job :(
dense shard
I'll do it every so often.
dense shard
That's a hard skip on the Probe.
jolly harbor
why?
jolly harbor
carmine summit
Probes are interesting
dense shard
It's a 90s Ford.
Engine is fine, but the rest will likely just... rot away.
Also cars lying around for years tend to have more issues.
shadow osprey
Hey, OBS F150s holds the best out of any OBS truck
dense shard
OBS?
carmine summit
we used to have an OBS F250 with a 7.3IDI
they rust
not as bad as Chevy that age but still pretty bad
dense shard
OBS being?
carmine summit
technically means "Old Body Style" but when talking about Fords it's this generation
dense shard
I see.
fathom socket
i got a new ford like that
3.5L ecoboost 2wd long bed
can tow 12,000 pounds
it tows 3 pallets of concrete no problem
or a digger
tropic silo
Yes
stoic ledge
Yes
carmine summit
we have a 98 Ram 2500 Cummins
extended cab long bed
2WD
only problem is it's an auto
manual would tow more and use less fuel, but it's hard to find a solid 12 valve stickshift 2WD truck
stoic ledge
12 valve puggers
stoic ledge
6 cyl diesel, 2 valves/cylinder
tropic silo
Sounds like a yikes to me
stoic ledge
Many diesels still use 2v per cylinder
tropic silo
Sounds like an ever bigger yikes to me
stoic ledge
Tbh, most gas cars also had "only" 2 valvues per cylinder not that long ago
tropic silo
"Only"?
stoic ledge
Well it gives the engine a different characteristic, 2v/cylinder is more low end torque, 4v/cylinder is more high end power/HP
It's not like 2v/cylinder is bad
tropic silo
But high end power = nicer
fathom socket
then ferrari came in and said 5 valves per cylinder is good
and those cars man.. they were good for 100s of feet
stoic ledge
But high end power = nicer
Many HP on a truck is useless if you don't have the torque to pull
Yeah 5v/cyl... 
stoic ledge
3v/cyl is quite rare
short slate
night current
LOL
stoic ledge
jolly harbor
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ctd/d/kenosha-2007-subaru-forester/6986011685.html is this a good deal?
dense shard
As long as the timing belt has been replaced. Yes.
jolly harbor
It appears as such
stoic ledge
Why does Craigslist still looks like something a student made as a project 20 years ago? 😛
indigo coral
^
fathom socket
did you see the ford numbers just released for the new super duty
1050 torque
37,000 towing
tropic silo
1050 feathers
37,000 sand grains
dense shard
Looks better than the GMC Sierra even.
fathom socket
well now gmc has to do at least like 1100 torque
dense shard
910 out of their new one.
fathom socket
y i k e s
dense shard
To be totally fair.
The Ford at best can tow 1000 pounds more than the GM or RAM counterparts.
fathom socket
i think they're just running into legal towing limits with that equipment
fathom socket
i dont even know what towing 37,000 pounds would be like
basically a half loaded semi at that point
wouldn't you say
dense shard
Not too tragic I imagine.
fathom socket
aren't semis 80k
dense shard
The Americans finally accepted the SAE test for towing.
And stop removing bodywork to boost the numbers.
stoic ledge
I've been up to 140 today 😉
indigo coral
Kmh.
civic spoke
People who don't know how to merge on the freeway annoy me to no end.
Oh. Sorry.
Beep, beep. I'm a 28 tonne truck. Coming through! (In all caps)
jagged coyote
ppl trying to get in front of you when you don't want to give them way pisses me off, like, bruh, you have the signs that says you to yield
and they get pissy about it afterward...
stoic ledge
Kmh.
Sttt 😛
jagged coyote
shhh, let those muricans believe it's mph
stoic ledge
But yes, people who can't merge 😡
shhh, let those muricans believe it's mph
You get me smirk
jagged coyote
wait until you fly a plane and say the top speed, but without saying knots
wait nvm
a knot is 1.8 kmh
stoic ledge
I was just about to say haha
civic spoke
Trucks are limited to 90 kmh here.
jagged coyote
I mean, I think they are throughout europe
stoic ledge
^ i think they are
But some only drive 89km/h, so you'll have to overtake ofc
Preferably in sections where you aren't allowed to overtake
jagged coyote
the 90 thing is only on the accelerator tho, so you can go more downhill
and ppl cheat it with a magnet iirc
stoic ledge
I often see trucks breaking while going downhill here on the highway 
indigo coral
wait it's not like.. a rule, it's mechanically enforced?
jagged coyote
pneumatic brake
yeah it's not i think
don't quote me on that but my bro studied to be a truck mechanic
indigo coral
So you literally cannot go faster than 90kmh? That's a huge yikes
jagged coyote
or the magnet was for the clock in thingy mcjig
indigo coral
In the Midwest the speed limit is 80 and trucks go 70-75
stoic ledge
it's 80 in 🇳🇱
Ah well, if they want to enforce the 100km/h for cars it's not a big difference
I hope they don't because > driving 100km/h
stoic ledge
Y I K E S
dense shard
Everyone ignores it.
stoic ledge
Trucks are mandated to have a limiter apparently, on 90km/h in Europe
^ and offcourse, damn 95% of my km's is over 70/80 xD
Only in town, I drive slower xD
Cars in Japan do have a limiter on them of 180km/h iirc (?)
jagged coyote
japan is weird with cars, a 900hp car will be registered as a 278hp car (iirc)
jagged coyote
?
tight cypress
i think u mean 80cc
jagged coyote
"you can't steal mail bcs it's illegal"
tight cypress
or then it need sto be an motorbrike
jagged coyote
doesn't stop ppl from doing it
jagged coyote
jagged coyote
I'd rather have a big boi bike
jagged coyote
but i need the license for it
tight cypress
its an basic moped license
jagged coyote
for these yeah i guess
jagged coyote
but if I want to go higher than 50cc it's an A1 license, then for more than 125cc it's an A2, then more than 30kW it's A
tight cypress
cc doesnt make the license
jagged coyote
in france it does
tight cypress
if u register it before makin it
if this is driven with an moped license
or almost
jagged coyote
aren't those illegal bcs there is no license plate
or are they driving on private road?
tight cypress
ehm
ohm
ehghhm
em just taken off fot the pics
but its common to drive without plates here
jagged coyote
yeah they took of the brackets too 
tight cypress
besauce police take em easily
you can attach ur plate to ur helmet or bag in finland
if i remember right
jagged coyote
what sucks in france is that even backroads, like roads only used by tractors, that are open to the public, are considered as roads and if you get caught driving recklessly or with a vehicule that's not registered, you get f-ed hard
jagged coyote
the only way is on privately owned land or road
jagged coyote
if you're a farmer/friend with one that's easy, but as a city boy that's complicated
i'm glad do be part of the first group
uncle is a farmer, my parents are friend with a farmer
jagged coyote
yeah but you'd need authorization of the owner of the land
tight cypress
in there yes
not here
1.its allowed to pick anything from the forest
if its not too close to the house
jagged coyote
you mean mushrooms etc?
jagged coyote
lol
tight cypress
jagged coyote
at least he's wearing a helmet
tight cypress
yes
hallow wagon
jagged coyote
why?
did you manage to find a brighter pink and paint an even worse shitbox with it?
fathom socket
Tomorrow is the day we check out a sports car at the dealership and see if we can get it
Won't be cheap for paying monthly lol
civic girder
Getting new brakes for the FB tomorrow, big hype
hope the stock calipers fit over these rotors, cause they're vented
guess I'll find out lol
civic spoke
@jagged coyote that map might be for trailers.
@stoic ledge @jagged coyote And I've gone triple digits downhill with this truck
Barely over 100 kph. Don't really want to so it too much.
carmine summit
triple digits get kinda scary
I've gone 140 km/h in an 80 zone before
I didn't want to go faster than that though so the Camaro got away
dense shard
I try not to speed.
indigo coral
^
dense shard
A Fiat.
unreal terrace
A 1.9mjet Punto :p 130hp and 1075kg
fathom socket
i bet it braaaps
stoic ledge
Oof the 1.9 diesel puggers
indigo coral
yikes
stoic ledge
It's quite a big engine for the car
Most were sold with 1.3 diesels or 1.4 gas (non turbo), so the 1.9 diesel isn't bad xD
vapid raptor
For Europe that's a big engine, especially in a small car
When I was stationed in Germany, insurance cost was based on engine size - a 2.0L engine was expensive
indigo coral
Wow
stoic ledge
That's why I said "for the car"
In the final years of production, the only engine you could get (atleast in 🇳🇱 ) in the Punto was a 0.9 TwinAir
(or the 1.4T for the Abarth)
stoic ledge
I see some figures of 175hp/360Nm, which isn't bad
quiet elk
who the fuck only drives a car for 1km and then sells it 16 years later
nice, unsure how he fucked it up so fast in 1km
indigo coral
probably doesn't work to show odometer so they just fill that in
broken island
I somewhat reviewed a car recently and made a video about it
should i share the link here?
indigo coral
Sure!
broken island
eager kite
dense shard
What many outlets?
I think they all mentioned Fremont dropped the ball here.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/30019/driver-escapes-after-tesla-police-car-runs-low-on-battery-in-110-mph-chase Even The Drive states it was user error. No clue what Freddie boy is on about here.
jagged coyote
teslas could be good for patrol vehicul, but the thougth of making it a pursuit vehicule is kinda stupid
dense shard
Is it?
Police chases don't always last that long, and apparently Fremont's Tesla has been in a couple of chases earlier.
I'm wondering more about how they keep criminals confined. Teslas are hatchback-y... right?
Otherwise, they're quiet, safe, fast, and have pretty long standby times.
jagged coyote
at least when they crash it wouldn't be that dangerous to the LEO
bcs those things are tanks
eager kite
@dense shard I don' think you read the article I sent...
indigo coral
lol
dense shard
I read the article.
No one mislead anyone over anything here.
More than a fair share of articles mentioned the chase being called off.
And I don't recall anyone denying that Fremont is happy with their Tesla despite them forgetting to charge it that one time.
dense shard
lol
eager kite
@dense shard yea, the article was just responding to people who were saying that the chase was called off because of the Tesla
stoic ledge
pogey new GT86/86/BRZ/.. confirmed
unreal terrace
@stoic ledge ive seen 180-190 from tuners
so with a better IC, filter and 3" exhaust it might do 200
stoic ledge
Yeah the ±175 was with stock internals, only a remap
unreal terrace
Gotta hope the clutch and gearbox will cope with 200hp
stoic ledge
Is it the M32 gearbox?
unreal terrace
No idea, 6 speed that's all I know
unreal terrace
I'm thinking at 200hp I'd be churning out close to 500nm
And idk if that small of a gearbox can handle much more than that
unreal terrace
I found one tuner promising 180hp and 370nm
So at 200 it should be closer to 420-430nm
dense shard
Oh man a gen 2 BRZ/FRS/GT86 is super news.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd gen won't be developed by Mazda... considering all these partnerships Toyota is going into.
eager kite
stoic ledge
Very useful
tropic silo
Because who walks amiright? Much better to whip out your phone and wait and hope the car doesn't run into issues
vapid raptor
I need to get off my ass and do something about the convertible top.
stoic ledge
glare what seems to be the issue?
vapid raptor
It's faded
dense shard
tragic
indigo coral
my engine sounded noisy at 4k+. Guess it's time to blow out the cobwebs. Now it's fine. Idfk.
I will never understand why cars work the way they do.
indigo coral
I know the basic way it works.
But I swear. I wish someone would just make a hella long rundown of each part and what it does, course that would vary based on car
vital glen
the steering wheel
indigo coral
I meant mechanically. I know how to drive a car, and the fundamental principles of internal combustion and stuff. I mean like how VVTi works, automatic transmission and torque converter, all the AWD stuff, I wish I knew how that worked in detail
vital glen
Do you have a good background in physics?
indigo coral
Not yet. I'm going to take a shitload of physics classes in Uni and later this year though.
shadow osprey
Variable valve timing, twin-independent variable cam timing, anything that's variable timing works basically the same way
On the end of the camshaft, the gear that connects to the belt/chain/whatever that turns the cam has a solenoid in it
This solenoid reacts to a multitude of different thing - oil pressure, rpm, throttle position, etc - and based on the inputs, it can retard or advance timing a certain number of degrees on that camshaft to increase torque
It's mainly designed to increase low end torque, since engines are designed to be as efficient as they can at set timing in the higher rpm range
@indigo coral ^
VTEC works basically the same
AWD is easy. It's either a center diff or transfer case
dense shard
Automatic transmissions work through arcane magic and lots of spinny gears.
shadow osprey
and solar systems, apparently
dense shard
something like that yeah
shadow osprey
Something with planets
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAw79386WI Honestly old GM videos are pretty great at explaining the basic ideas.
Mind you this is like... 1930s old... but the idea remains.
A lot of cars will work on this principle and just control wheel spin either through clutches or brakes.
indigo coral
My transmission consistently concerns me. So I've been learning about how they work incase something shits the bed. Also 💚 @shadow osprey
dense shard
Limited slip is difficult to explain since there are several different versions.
shadow osprey
Uh yeah good luck. I'm literally never repairing an auto in my life
dense shard
I can work it or fix it.
shadow osprey
I'll probably take a crack at a manual some time, but autos... not a chance
indigo coral
well I mean it can't be impossible
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLtS4VUcvQ but hey... manual transmissions.
jagged wagon
These descriptive videos are absolutely great Monte_Carlo - subscribed to the channel because one day I'ma need to reference something.
dense shard
Glad they could help!
viral matrix
stoic ledge
Corsa puggers
eager kite
indigo coral
That looks bad
stoic ledge
Oof
dense shard
Super clever suspension design that apparently can lean into turns.
Reminds me a bit of that old bosch suspension teased 30 years ago.
stoic ledge
Bosch? Don't you mean Bose?
stoic ledge
Yeah it's a shame
indigo coral
stoic ledge
Bosch and Bose is only a small difference xD
dense shard
I mean... they're totally different companies currently serving totally different sectors.
Similar names, but I should have double checked. orz
ah well. It's still cool stuff yo. lol
stoic ledge
Yeah that suspension system is awesome pogey
dense shard
That being said. I'm happy with steel coils and non-adjustable shocks.
indigo coral
Oof
I want air suspension from a cayenne. It rarely breaks compared to a Range or Merc but had the same benefita of comfort and adjustable height. I wish my car was a bit lower.
carmine summit
I want Bilstein B6 shocks
dense shard
It would be nice if I could get my car just half an inch lower.
carmine summit
it would be nice if I could get stiffer shocks and sticky tires
indigo coral
I'd take an inch and a half about. Just to take some of the huge wheel well space away
dense shard
But that would likely screw me on getting out of my driveway.
indigo coral
I have a ton of ground clearance for daily driving atm, and a completely flat driveway lol.
carmine summit
I should get really aggressive coilovers and put them all the way down
dense shard
I'm happy with my comfort as it stands.
'rolla is comfy, but doesn't roll much in the turns.
indigo coral
Mines comfy but hooolllllyyyyy shhiiiitttt the body roll
stoic ledge
Mine is lowered 10mm from the factory dab Lower would be bad: speedbumps and rough Belgium roads would kill me xD
indigo coral
Doug demuro would have a heart attack
stoic ledge
But is it a quirck or a feature?
dense shard
Why... it has windows switches that make the windows go up and down?
indigo coral
It would get a 1 in handling lol.
iirc he complained about the Model 3 being imprecise and gave it a 4 i think....
dense shard
His reviews are ultra subjective.
dense shard
And honestly I don't use him as a shopping tool.
indigo coral
I personally don't find the actual steering to be bad at all. Fairly decent for a first car that's 20 years old. But the body roll is impressive
That being said I'm not basing it off of a comparison to a Huracan perfromante
dense shard
Throttle House though... Like those guys. They actually talk about clutch feel in cars.
indigo coral
So...
Though if mine was in better condition, id still let him review it. It's kind of a significant car.
stoic ledge
Would Doug review mine
indigo coral
First real crossover, I have the first model year, in a colour that was only offered first 6 months of first year, with all the associated quirks of the first few produced. I have one of the first few hundred/couple k
I think it's kinda cool.
In an unorthodox way.
dense shard
It is.
indigo coral
I'm super considering restoring it as much as I can afford to
dense shard
Sounds good.
indigo coral
Need new bumpers and a bit of paint correction... Interior is really nice though.
stoic ledge
I like the center screen, so futuristic for back then
indigo coral
And not entirely useless or broken!
dense shard
Man I hope my car will get an android auto update.
stoic ledge
I hope mine too
Oh wait
indigo coral
All the 90s and 2000s BMW old style screens on the radio are all dead.... Why?
dense shard
Because BMW used crappy hardware.
Not unlike all the 90s BMWs have droopy headliners.
indigo coral
Huh
dense shard
You're talking about those nifty LCD screens right?
A lot of them end up failing, but only half.
dense shard
So you see half a row of things. lol
stoic ledge
Rip
stoic ledge
Most are bad, most OEM headlights are designed specifically for halogen, LED doesn't emit light the same way (1 direction vs all like halogen). The mirrors inside aren't made for that purpose, leading to stray light, possible blinding oncoming traffic
If you want brighter lights, just get good halogens (Osrsm Nightbraker, Philips Xtremevision etc). Aftermarket xenon/Led kits are just bad
Or Philips Whitevision or whatever
unreal terrace
yeha ill prolly just add auxillary lights instead
stoic ledge
pogey
unreal terrace
damned thats theres no space on the front of my fiat for them 
stoic ledge
Put an LED bar on the roof (:
stoic ledge
Yikes
How to blind oncoming traffic 101 xD
unreal terrace
yeah boy
biggest issue tho, is when you come off the high beams and onto half beam you cant see jack shit
indigo coral
i put in aftermarket LED headlights because the electrical system cant handle more powerful halogens
tropic silo
Don't drive on high beams then?
stoic ledge
I hate people with adaptive high beams, those never work
indigo coral
and the old ones were crazy dim
stoic ledge
Don't drive on high beams then?
You need to on unlit roads
tropic silo
Even in the nl?
stoic ledge
Yes
tropic silo
By law?
indigo coral
like you legally have to?>
tropic silo
I was scared
stoic ledge
But, like, it helps a lot xD
tropic silo
I use low beams
unreal terrace
theres basically just unlit roads here
stoic ledge
Yes
indigo coral
and in my area in particular very curvy
tropic silo
I do change the angle when on unlit roads tho,
stoic ledge
Well since our main road is now closed, both ways in and out are basically single car wide
tropic silo
Like from 1 to 0
tropic silo
En lo
Lol
But my high beams also go really far into the distance not to the sides.
So driving with foglights on. Helps alot with up the sides
stoic ledge
This is dark af in the evening, and narrow
tropic silo
Oh those roads :)
stoic ledge
Yeah on those roads, I also use fog lights
tropic silo
Those are fun at night
vital glen
@stoic ledge RUNNING IN THE 90S
stoic ledge
Not when it's busy
tropic silo
/s
stoic ledge
pogey
tropic silo
:)
tropic silo
Steals license plate
tropic silo
MK's license plate
civic girder
Fiat, more like Fi-not
stoic ledge
My car does have a shark tho >:)
https://tweakers.net/ext/f/5GwWcxbhoTXR7LeEOCQiGMy6/full.jpg
puggers RX-7
civic girder
there you go
stoic ledge
Wankel engine puggers
civic girder
Ironically, the engine has given me no issues so far
stoic ledge
glare how even
civic girder
lets see, what have I done so far to this car....
New fuel pump
fixed the windshield wipers
topped off the oil, fixed the oil leak
got new tires
new windshield wiper blades
new shocks for the rear hatch
new front brake rotors and pads
new windshield washer pump (yet to go on)
new fuel filter (yet to go on)
new rear brake shoes (yet to go on)
new outer tie rod ends (yet to arrive, I need them before I can drive it much again)
and what I have planned short term:
New interior door handle covers
new radio
fix the rear defrost
various other things I can't think of atm
vital glen
If you didn't put on 17inch carbon ceramic BREMBOS, I don't know why you even tried
civic girder
I'd like to see you fit 17 inch brakes under 13 inch wheels
vital glen
I RIDE ON THE ROTOR capscapscapacapscaps
civic girder
these are like 11 inch vented rotors
still pretty good
at the very least, there's no pulsing or driver's side pull under braking anymore
and you can actually give it a good amount of braking now
warped brake rotors are terrifying
vital glen
I run 14inch vented rotors with ceramic pads
civic girder
I do have ceramic pads
civic girder
DWS-06 are probably better than what I have on the FB
except they don't have those in 13 inch
Right now I have Barum tires, and will probably get RP18's for my next set
unreal terrace
fog lights are stupid tho
civic girder
not really
unreal terrace
If you live in a country where low beams are mandatory they are
I'd rather have break cooling or cold air intake for the engine over pointless lower half beams
tropic silo
@stoic ledge aye!!! Shark easter eggs!
I love those little Easter eggs Opel puts in their cars
dense shard
Fog lights are placed even lower.
Actually can vouch for them being far more useful than even low beams.
And if your car needs that extra 20 cm^2 of grill space, fog lights are the least of your worries.
shadow osprey
Hello my long lost friends
vital glen
Hello darkness
dense shard
silk finch
tropic silo
@dense shard idk how bright your foglights are. But mine aren't bright enough to only use them
dense shard
You aren't meant to only use them. They're used in conjunction with the low beams
stoic ledge
They're useful when there's fog (:
jagged coyote
we are allowed to use the front fog on narrow roads, but on normal road everytime I see someone with the front fogs (when it's no even raining/foggy) it just blinds me
maybe i should've used them this morning it was foggy AF
vital glen
@stoic ledge no
stoic ledge
Wot
jagged coyote
the fogs aren't actually for seeing, it's for being seen
stoic ledge
Not true, front fog lights are a wider bundle of light, low to the ground to shine underneath the fog. Also, low/highbeams can reflect on the fog (not something that happens often, but it can happen with thicc fog), blinding yourself xD Since fog lights are mounted lower down, it's not an issue
Rear for lights are for being seen, yes xD
jagged coyote
yeah, i remember when there was fog so thicc you couldn't see more than 5 meters in front, high beam wasn't helping it, made it even worse
tbh I 've never had a car with front fogs, just the one i've got now
stoic ledge
Cars with front fog lights look better then those without imho xD
stoic ledge
So i'd get it for the looks alone, but it's also usefull/a Safety feature so I require fog lights xD
My Corsa has them :)
desert glen
I can get a set of fog lights that go into the lower grill inserts
stoic ledge
Do it puggers
desert glen
for like $80 US
I'd have to get under it, I haven't really had the chance to look at the wiring
stoic ledge
Idk if Ford prewires cars
desert glen
It would make sense if they did
But its ford
A car built in 2016 still has a metal rod to hold the hood up
desert glen
I could always get cool ones, but then I'd have to get lamp assemblies
stoic ledge
I know in Opel's (GM ones), if it was available on the trim it's prewired, only thing you have to do is change the switch, covers/lights and add a fuse
desert glen
No
stoic ledge
Odd
desert glen
I don't have the Fancy Fancy focus
stoic ledge
Ah I thought they were standard on all trims over here, but apparently they aren't standard here either
My bad
desert glen
maybe the newer ones have them on all trims
I might just stick to fog lights
No real aftermarket choices for the non-hatch focus (for tail lights)
stoic ledge
Isn't the front always the same? (Hatch/sedan/wagon)? (Excl the ST and Electric)
desert glen
The front is the same
I believe
The rear is not
Pretty sure I can take the assembly from a newer one if I wanted
desert glen
I'll get under it soon and see what's the deal with wiring
Only problem with fog lamps in VA is that if they blow, you fail inspection
But you can circumvent it by just unplugging them
stoic ledge
Oof
desert glen
And pass inspection
Virginia's a weird state. Up near DC they require emissions testing but I live in the south of the state where they don't do emissions
stoic ledge
Lol that's.. strange
desert glen
The air in DC is garbage tho, so I guess it makes sense
stoic ledge
Oof of the 2575 2011-newer Focus for sale, a whopping 22 are sedans here pogey
desert glen
Are sedans popular over there?
stoic ledge
Nope xD
desert glen
I can agree with that
Seeing wagon versions of popular sedans in the US is weird
Like a Fusion (or Mondeo)
desert glen
looks like a small SUV
stoic ledge
Lol way to low
desert glen
Looks like a lowered Ford Edge
stoic ledge
Also didn't you guys get the 1st gen Focus as a Wagon?
desert glen
Fiesta sedans look like pebbles
stoic ledge
Or the 2019 Yaris, which is a Mazda2 sedan? Like why
desert glen
I think the only real reason hatches and wagons arent that popular in the US is because you can get a small SUV for the same price
And our roads are bigger
stoic ledge
They are less efficient, no more practical, more expensive and for what? Less handling?
desert glen
They’re nice for road trips
stoic ledge
Full-size SUVs aren't something you see often
Cross-overs aren't nicer for road trips than regular Hatchbacks/wagons xD
desert glen
Not when the price to fly is so expensive
desert glen
I mean, if its just 2 people on the trip then take a sadan
But if you got 3 or more the SUV id preferred
desert glen
The explorer handles pretty well too
stoic ledge
Well if you want a large practicle car... A minivan is much more spacious for the same car size (:
stoic ledge
Minvans are dead tho, which is a shame tbh
Not the best looking cars but hey they get the job done
stoic ledge
Real SUV yes, but we dont have those
Only crossovers
Mostly Nissan Rogue Sport sized
Those are just raised hatchbacks
No larger than a Focus hatchback for example
desert glen
Subaru makes a good crossover
stoic ledge
Subaru sales are nearly 0 around here pogey
323 cars so far this year pogey
0.11% market share
145 Foresters
dense shard
Outside of AWD... Subarus aren't exactly superior to other choices.
indigo coral
^
dense shard
The Impreza and Legacy aren't standouts.
stoic ledge
They do look quite nice (:
dense shard
I'll give em points for style.
indigo coral
theyre all slow
dense shard
The legacy at any rate.
dense shard
The WRX has other issues.
stoic ledge
The WRX isn't sold here
dense shard
I would say the next gen Impreza will be better.
But they're already on the new global platform.
stoic ledge
Well the Forester would be a nice car for my parents xD
The Levorg was also nice looking, but only came with a CVT 😡
dense shard
That's JDM for ya
indigo coral
i've heard really good things about the widespread ZF 8HP
stoic ledge
ZF 8HP is good
indigo coral
once I'm old enough I'll probably go ask to drive a Stinger xD
stoic ledge
If not the best auto
indigo coral
the Stinger has been known to have harsh downshifts sometimes but thats 100% rectified by a software update
dense shard
Amusingly the LeVorg is based on the last gen Impreza/current WRX.
man I hope the next gen STI moves to either the new 2.4 or 2.0 engines.
The 2.5 is done. It's time to retire it.
dense shard
Sure it's a tuner engine, but it's not doing anyone any favors.
1.6T would be fine in the US tbh.
indigo coral
3L+ 😄
stoic ledge
Just a rough guess, but I think 90+% cars sold new now have less than 3L displacement here
indigo coral
yup
its a GM engine
afaik its only available as a crate engine right now
but they sell a few
stoic ledge
Ah the big block
stoic ledge
lul
stoic ledge
Show him my engine
indigo coral
he was complaining that the power hits higher than his 7.2L V8 powerstroke diesel
stoic ledge
puggers
desert glen
I would like the twin turbo ecoboost tho
stoic ledge
Tsssk get the 1.0 EcoBoost
indigo coral
why would we get tiny shitty engines when we can get big ones and pay the same taxes
desert glen
The NA has good pull
indigo coral
lmao
stoic ledge
I'd bet over 75% in 🇳🇱 sold gas powered Fords have the 1.0 EcoBoost
Others are 1.1 NA or 1.5 EcoBoost
indigo coral
thats cause your taxes are crazy
desert glen
They sell a good few in the US
stoic ledge
No well soon the Explorer PHEV is going to be cheap
indigo coral
ye some cars with teeny engiens sell here
stoic ledge
Because it's super environmental friendly
indigo coral
yeah finally getting a fast car over there thats not tax laden
""""super environmental friendly"""
stoic ledge
/s
indigo coral
it gets like 20 mpg doesnt it?
dense shard
I imagine it pushes past 30.
dense shard
The Suburban hybrid did 20.
stoic ledge
Irl yes, but in the EU test cycle it can do like 90% on EV power only
dense shard
The EU test cycle is optimistic.
indigo coral
27/29
desert glen
Our explorer averages about 19
dense shard
27/29 makes sense.
stoic ledge
So the results are not achievable in reality
dense shard
A bit low still. I'd have hoped 30/30.
stoic ledge
Yeah the EU cycle is inaccurate, especially for PHEVs
indigo coral
its weird the NL gets the 450hp Interceptor type powertrain
while the US only gets the 318hp basic one
for the Hybrid
desert glen
I average about 30 mpg
desert glen
My city/highway usage is about the same
So i’m at the median
My volvo would do max, 21
dense shard
US will likely get the 450 horsepower model in the ST model.
indigo coral
highest I've gotten was 24