#cars | Linus Tech Tips | Page 249

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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That's about a $5k option, but I bought the car certified pre-owned

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ah ok

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Had I bought it new, yes I'd go individual

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Otherwise that 5k option would be less expensive than a repaint

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Exactly

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Nearly as expensive as the wrap

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Yes, and permanent but I'd have been happier

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But $48k new vs $24k CPO...

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Oof yes, big difference

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xDrive os sDrive?

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Just rwd

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Nice

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I just found out you could also get is as xDrive by checking the US configurator, didn't know that

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Ah it's only RWD here, that explains

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I don't know, xDrive is probably pretty cool but I live in San Diego so it's not really a big deal for me

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Real BMWs are RWD wink

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Hehehe, yes

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Oof.

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I got so deep into the brakes today it triggered ABS

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Oof 230i base MSRP: $41k
Oof 218i base MSRP: €44k

That's why I literally never see them upsidedown_smile

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ABS is good ^^

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:10 PM

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My light was green as I was approaching so I just kept going, some dipshit decided to try and run the light right in front of me

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so yeah ABS is good

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Oof yikes

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And that, my friends, is why I have a dashcam smile

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I hate it when people run lights

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I want a dash cam, front and rear, but on a convertible it's not that simple of an install

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Yeah rear dashcam is hard on a convertible

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Especially because I want them to be a seamless (clean looking) install

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:13 PM

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I only have front tho

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Motion detection

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Mine only records if the car is running, not when parked

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So if somebody hits me while being parked... it's not recorded

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:14 PM

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I want the parking feature

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Yeah, but that requires a constant power from the battery.. park it for a few days and it's dead feelsbadman

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Also I didn't feel like messing with the wiring

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I need to get a dashcam

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with how much stupid shit I see

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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My current dashcam (Xiaomi Yi) just feeds itself from the 12V-socket/USB-port, which turns on when I start the car

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Get one falcon stuck_out_tongue

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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They're fucking expensive here though

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200+ dollars for a 1080p one

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Wot

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https://www.amazon.com/YI-1080P60-Dashboard-G-Sensor-Recording/dp/B01C89GCHU/

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Literally 50 bucks

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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ok well the one at costco was bloody expensive then

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Probably

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The one above is 1080p30, 1080p60 or 1296p30

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I have it on 1080p60

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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1296p? wtf?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Yes, SuPeR hD

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It's not super discrete tho, it is noticable from the outside

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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im much less worried about parking lot shit

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more so my car getting totalled by some stupid fuckwit

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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^^ same

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I'm not bothered if its discrete or not

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they're only semi-illegal in my state

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Xiaomi Yi is a great value cam then

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Ow yikes

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Why

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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The state blanket banned "modifications" on cars

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but its never enforced

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a dash cam counts as a modification

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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The one's that I'm looking at are crazy expensive.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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How is a dashcam a mod lol. Is a phone mount, Bluetooth -> FM transmitter also a mod then? xD

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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yup

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so are my headlights

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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OOF yikes

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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yup

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thing is its never enforced

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lke

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ever

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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^^^^ there are more expensive cars, with even better quality, 2CH possibilities, larger storage, capacitors instead of batteries, GPS etc, but mine is fine for what I use it

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^^ if it's not enforced: get one stuck_out_tongue

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Performance car mods here have to be CARB approved before you can buy them

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CARB = California Air Resources Board

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Didn't Trump ban those rules a few days ago?

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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no

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Ah

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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his tweets != real legislation

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thank god

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Dutch Media made us believe it was actually an official law or something

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Nice

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I do know that in Belgium, many mods are illegal unless the parts are checked by a certain company and installed by a certified (read: expensive) garage

So many people install mods, but then swap them out for the originals for the annual check, and when passed they swap the parts out again

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 5:43 PM

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That's kind of what happens here in California, when it's time to get the smog certification

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 5:46 PM

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No such laws in Alabama.

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Which makes me a tiny bit happy.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Mine is 100% stock, so I don't have to worry wink

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I will mod my car a bit.

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Roof rack mainly.

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Once I get a Stinger, I'll end up putting an exhaust on it once the warranty expires

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Mines also 100% stock :)

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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but I can't put an exhaust on it during the first few years cause I really don't want to void the warranty

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10 yeras

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xD

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Just yolo it puggers emote

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Europa "only" gets a 7 year warranty on Kia's feelsbadman

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:53 PM

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the Stinger has a 10 year powertrain warranty, which I'm not gonna get rid of by putting an exhaust on it

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nor will I forefit the warranty by moving the badges around on the trunk.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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glare Does that really void the warranty?

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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not sure. but I'm not gonna risk it

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I want the Stinger badge on the middle where the Kia one is

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but I'm not gonna throw away the warranty over that lol

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once it expires I'll probably put a typeS exhaust on it

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Maybe in a couple of years, I can afford the 2.0 Turbo 😄

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Over here they're getting cheap fast

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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3.3 V6 is waaaay to expensive

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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so I'll be able to afford the GT2 in a couple years

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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puggers

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Get an orange GT2

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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If I was gonna get an orange one, I'd get a GTS

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Lol I meant GTS ^^

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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The orange is very bright though

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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But... it's orange

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Oof there is no orange emote

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But it does look kinda nice

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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drift mode >:)

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Atleast it does in the pics

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Drifting a Kia 😄

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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it has it

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D-AWD

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Yeah I know

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 5:59 PM

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bleh it has an alcantara steering wheel

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 5:59 PM

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D-AWD?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Hmmm

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Dong powered AWD?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:00 PM

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glare

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Cheapast Stinger atm is a 2.2 diesel yikes

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:00 PM

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theres no diesel is there???

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how much does that shit cost?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:00 PM

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indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:01 PM

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LAWL

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Auto E_FeelsKCHHH

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:01 PM

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All Stingers are

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:01 PM

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It's a damn good auto

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Does it do the hella fast nyoom?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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nyoom?

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Yes

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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this is a GT2 trip, top spec

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with the V6

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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puggers there is 1, yes 1, 3.3 V6 for sale used

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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wait really?

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there's 12 within 8 miles of my house

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LOL.

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33k, 2k miles, GT2 AWD

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:02 PM

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The only one in the entire country

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Pogey

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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NOO emotes!

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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im not the one who kept getting muted 😛

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inb4 banhammer

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lol

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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^^ inb4 exactly

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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but yeah there's lots and lots of Stingers available

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Farewell Falcon

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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oh well.

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I'm just waiting as they depreciate like crazy

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so I can get one lightly used

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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There is also 1 new 3.3 V6

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Those are all the 3.3 V6 Stingers atm

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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fuck thi sbot

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Deleted message?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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glare

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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97K LOL

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I saw that

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98k actually xD

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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What kind of message where you trying to send xD

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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97k omegalul

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is what I said

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but omegalul was caps

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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wow

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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and the bot got angry

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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noice

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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bet it bans me soon

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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probs

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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97995 is the base price for a Stinger V6 btw

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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or one of the mods does

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I'm not sure what colour I want for a Stinger.

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I like the white one

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Get either white or black imo

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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and it accents the little line on the side, which I really like that styling touch

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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That's the Kia website

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indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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fat rip

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An absolutely decked out model with all the options is like 57k iirc

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Im gonna get a Stinger with an anime liverly keksplosion emote

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Ok, so of that 98k, 48k is CO2 emissions tax puggers

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Bruh

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Without tax, it's 41k

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Wtf

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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LOL.

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the stinger gets pretty good fuel economy for a big powerful car tho

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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The NL wants some kind of CO2 regulations on the F1 too. or something

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Hmm, I thought I took a picture of a Stinger Saturday

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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^^ lol do they? Kek

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It's been a while since I've seen a Stinger tbh

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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the stinger isn't even that inefficent though

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its like 20mpg city 29 highway

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shit right now I'm lucky to hit 20 at all

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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laughs in mini engine

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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It emits 240g/km CO2 apparently

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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📎 20190923_110919.jpg

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Which is bad, unless you pay 48k in tax, then it's fine

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YIKES how to ruin a Stinger

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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How can you delete someone elses post?

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Hehehe

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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ew

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thats nasty

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Pls use spoiler tags next time

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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While I wouldn't do that to my car, I say to each their own

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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though I do like a small spoiler and a splitter up front. lemme find a pic.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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What's nice to one person won't be to someone else

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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:

📎 kia-stinger-sema-2017.jpg

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😍

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Clean

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Ow yes please

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That's nice

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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JibrilDrool emote

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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I like clean much better

crimson wraith Sep 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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tasty.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Most of the vehicles I saw Saturday were not what I really like, but I still admire their creativity

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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But their creativity is ugly xD

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Clean mods are nice tho

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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How to annoy MK.

Do this

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crimson wraith Sep 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Thank god I have Essen motorshow for my satisfaction.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Oof I've been to the Essen Motorshow once, like 10 years ago

fair bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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How to annoy MK

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crimson wraith Sep 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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this year I missed it actually. but there always nice cars!

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are*

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editing isnt my thing Kappa

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Thet made some bad decisions on that Corsa, but I bet it's fast AF

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Hehe, suffer MK

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vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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fair bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I don't think anything is fast when it's that low on those stretched tires

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Oh wow didn't see the tires

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Yes that's bad

fair bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Terrible

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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okay yes

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no

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How to get hate from everyone here

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vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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@tropic silo its not that bad looking

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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strechted tires and lowered so much it cant even drive over a simple bump?

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with anime livery?

crimson wraith Sep 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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MK doesnt like bad Opel Tires?

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Eh, at least it doesn't have fake grass glued to it

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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True

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Everyone has their own opinions, and like I always say "Opinions are like buttholes - everybody has one and they usually smell like sh*t"

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😂

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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they usually smell like sh*t"

So you have sniffed people's assholes... interesting

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Weird flex but ok

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MK doesnt like bad Opel Tires?

No, only good Opel tires

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:29 PM

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So no Opel tires?

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:29 PM

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glare

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:29 PM

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jk, idk if theyre good of bad

fair bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Ehm

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Opel usually comes with Michelin

crimson wraith Sep 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Im sorry MK but I think my Oschersleben Pics are gone. there were a few very good looking Tires Kappa

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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kappa

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:33 PM

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But does yours have sports tires?

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MK

fair bronze Sep 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Semislicks

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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No I have Hankook Kinergy Eco's on it

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Is confused

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kinergy, sounds like "kind energie" it's powered by children

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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They were on the car, just < 5000km old, quite decent tires

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Hankook is quite good

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I see

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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our hankook tires are sh*t

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lol

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I have no clue what tires i have, i do know it's sports

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think SportContact

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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i have michelin defender LTX

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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They defend your car

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Hankook Kinergy Eco and Ventus Prime 3 are both excellent tires

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Ventus Prime 3 actually beats similar tires for less money (Michelin, Continental etc)

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:37 PM

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mine are the car-person sacrelige

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all seasons

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I got my wintertires + rims for free with the car :)

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just steel but meh i got it for free

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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people get so angry about all season tires

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lol

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I dont quite get why

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Nothing wrong with them

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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They're just a tiny bit louder from what ive seen/heared

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:39 PM

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mine work well in snow, rain and on dry ground so meh

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 6:40 PM

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I sometimes have problems with getting away at a light when its wet outside

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Could either be the open dif, it being fwd or the ASR does some magical stuff and thinks it spins when it just grips

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Yeah all the 75hp is tricky

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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wtf?

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you spin your wheels in the wet?

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I've never got mine to spin except in like 6 inches of snow

wheat hatch Sep 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Welp, can't say I feel sorry for the guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WjGsdTD9c&feature=youtu.be
Play stupid games, and win stupid prizes.
And also, dude needs to learn how to drive lol.

YouTube

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Crash is at the end.
(.kek.)

tropic silo Sep 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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@indigo coral Yea, idk how

jagged coyote Sep 23, 2019, 7:36 PM

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i can spin the wheels too, pretty easy, rev up to 2500 and drop the clutch

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can't guarantee it's any good to it tho

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:38 PM

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as someone whose only car knowledge is sim racing, what's yall opinion on BMW's M3 lineup

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:40 PM

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The fact BMW decided to split their coupes and 4 doors off into odd and even was great.

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Till the 6 series gran coupe came out with 4 doors.

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As for the M3/4 line up... I guess it's fast?

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Style and sound wise it's all downhill from the E46 imo.

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 7:41 PM

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e92 was quite nice

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after that its downhill

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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is this how a newbie in hardware feels like when he joins a tech chat

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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maybe?

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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hecc, i got a long way to go with cars

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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The early 2000s BMW M3s are my favorite.

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Not a big fan on the styling on the generation after that.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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I'm happy with my 2-Series

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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My only M3 experience is the 86 one (i think) from Assetto Corsa aswell as the 2015 model i think?

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then again, sim racing, not irl

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Oh, I have no experience with sim racing these days.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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It's pretty much the dimensions of the e36/46

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Actually the E46 should be pretty cheap to buy these days. Still expensive to keep on the road.

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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'94 215k km M3 for 24 thousand euro, yikes

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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the subframe cracking is scary

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Dunno about Europe.

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But the E36 BMWs have bottomed out in price.

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Should start rising soon.

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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question

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Hehehe Monte Carlo... My Dad bought one when I was a kid back in the late 70's

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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2016 Merc Benza CLA 180, 37k KM, 28,000€

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does that look like a fair price

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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no

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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im not wanting to buy it

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im just looking at cars

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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It's a 3 year old Merc for what seems to be full rpice.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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78 Monte Carlo with the Landau top

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I'm a fan of the late 80s Monte Carlos.

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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oh

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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That or the rally.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I hate to admit this, but I like the AMG GLA 45

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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That's the small SUV?

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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375 hp from a 2.0L Turbo Four

indigo coral Sep 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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yikes

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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question about that 2.0L business

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what does that mean

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how much fuel it uses?

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during my internship i heard a co worker say he saw a car with 5.0L stamped on the side, his comment was "that thing uses a dinosaur every kilometer"

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Engine size - it's the equivalent of 2 litres

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:47 PM

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what
is 700,000 KM on a car even normal

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1997

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max i've seen on a car was 500k km

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gotta say it again: complete newbie to cars

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Matt Farah had a 1, 000,000 mile Lexus

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Over 500k is rare.

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In miles or kilometers

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Cars can do it easily enough, but most people uhhh... many things.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:49 PM

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It's becoming a little more common

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Take care of your car, and I imagine damn near anything can make it to a million without a new engine/trans.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Hondas here in the US have at least 200,000 miles

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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huh, so in about a year or so i'm looking into getting my first car

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I found a 93 Merc Benz C 220 Elegance for 2 thousand euro, 321k km

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Slow, reliable, and durable.

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Also lower mileage is better.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Yes, it's preferable

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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does this look like a decent deal at all

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im still trying to figure out car prices

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Dunno about the Euro used car market tbh.

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I just know in the US the rule of thumb is under 130k, newer, and Japanese.

vapid raptor Sep 23, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I hate to say this, but I was stationed in Germany from 91-94 and remember seeing those Mercedes on the Autobahn a lot

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I'm so old lol

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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oh boy. New SavageGeese vid

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C5 Vette

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Not even a minute, and they've savaged the interior... rightfully so

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That being said. Would be a good used car to trackday.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:13 PM

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@wheat hatch wtf, that dude is a maniac

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^^^^ old Mercedes like that will run forever if maintained, #1 killer is rust on those things

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Most cars run forever if maintained.

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Question is... how often do they break, and how painful is it to fix.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Those old Mercedes'? Not often

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Define old.

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Cause anything in the below 30 years is... bad.

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40 years and onwards... things will be broken, and will be quite complex to fix.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Idk, the 1993 C220 he linked

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:22 PM

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That's pushing it tbh.

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Shouldn't be too tragic considering it's a fairly base car.

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But it's at the age things start to break. Things need to be replaced.

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Bushings, seals, non-consumables and the such.

wheat hatch Sep 23, 2019, 8:30 PM

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@stoic ledge Yeah, really stupid.
(And stupid is an understatement.)
He really thought he could yeet the car to the right and then to the left at 140 km/h...
In a cramped space like that.

.omegalul.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Bushings, seals, non-consumables and the such.

Well yeah true, but engine and transmission wise those are reliable AF

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@wheat hatch that's what happens when you try to yeet a car 😛

wheat hatch Sep 23, 2019, 8:38 PM

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.omegalul.

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Ah yes. The transmission and engine should be reliable.

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Damn well better be.

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Mercedes isn't a second tier automaker.

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I do worry about their new engines though.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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^^ new Mercedes lul Well their diesels are fine

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Many are used as taxies here, 1.000.000km in a couple of year is no issue

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Ignoring the fact they also bullshit emissions... sure.

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But their performance engines.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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lul AMG engines

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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450 horsepower out of 2 liters... 🤔

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Yes

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:48 PM

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600 out of 4 liters.

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Sure the engines are more powerful, but also stressed far more heavily.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Yes, that can only end well

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Well yes. You can buy a new car when the old one explodes.

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Very beneficial to Mercedes... assuming you go back to them.

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My understanding isn't explosions... rather heat.

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VW, Mercedes, and to a lesser extent BMW all have hot vee engines meaning the heat is all focused on one part of the engine.

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Which can and likely does lead to premature failure of various bits around that area.

stoic ledge Sep 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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That's why we need a good ol' V8 in a hatchback

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I'd rather LS swap a Corolla.

quiet elk Sep 23, 2019, 8:54 PM

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talking about golfs

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opinions on them? ablobblewobble my father has a 2006 Golf Plus

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I could swap a UZ into a Corolla.

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Or better yet.

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A UR V8.

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Keep Toyota engines in Toyota cars.

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Joking aside. If I had to swap my car's engine.

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I'd probably call it a day at the Camry 2.5.

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200 horsepower will be plenty, and shouldn't ruin the car's balance.

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XRS swap?

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Because the Dynamic Force 2.0 in my car is already torque lite.

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I don't need diet torque of the 1.8.

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My car sounds fine at speed.

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M20A-FKS isn't a screamer, but it sounds nice.

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Well... as nice as a 4 popper can.

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That reminds me. I need to go ask my dealer if they can get Android Auto installed on my car.

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I don't remember all the specifics, but Toyota went all in for tech on this engine.

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The M20A-FKS

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Best part is dual injection.

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2ZZ is a great swap, but not for the 12th Corolla.

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oof

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same

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Also still trying to get used to my car's engine placement.

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Exhaust at the back, intake at the front.

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That makes vastly more sense.

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All the other cars I had were exhaust out the front.

carmine summit Sep 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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My intake and exhaust are both on the back

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C o u n t e r f l o w

viral matrix Sep 23, 2019, 9:48 PM

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I have exhaust on the front and the back Pogey

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Intake on top

viral matrix Sep 23, 2019, 10:09 PM

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https://photos.app.goo.gl/rCwZuCmzREmmYJsX8

Google Photos

New video by WuBzY

dense shard Sep 23, 2019, 10:11 PM

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https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29985/autonomous-alliance-landscape-shifts-as-aptiv-and-hyundai-team-up A new fighter has appeared!

The Drive

Autonomous Alliance Landscape Shifts As Aptiv and Hyundai Team Up

The "big boy game" of alliances between self-driving developers and major automakers enters a new round as Aptiv comes off "the bubble" with major Hyundai deal.

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Regarding your message earlier @dense shard there's a 0 percent chance of my trans lasting until 1 mil miles lol.

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Many of them fail before 100k. Mine is still kicking but not a chance of 1 million

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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many people also ignore the trans in servicing

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most people think that cars have fluid is the engine oil, radiator, power steering and fuel and just ignore the fact both diff's and transmission have oil

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 3:19 AM

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meh, a lot of automakers loved to push "lifetime trans fluid"

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Wait

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Oil?

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I thought transmissions had ATF

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 3:42 AM

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ATF is automatic transmission fluid also a diffrent type of oil

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its also called gear oil

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Basicly its from what they call base oil that they use for everything just diffrent additive packs for the diffrent stuff so when you see engine oil showing it cleans they have added more cleaning agent to the base

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 6:45 AM

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I imagine most oil used in cars these days is synthetic.

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I know Toyota is all synthetic. Joys of 0w-16 weight oil.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Mine is "sEaLeD fOr LiFe"

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Uses SAE 75W-85 in the transmission

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 7:43 AM

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My dads workvan (VW Caddy) has a dry transmission.

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What the fuck that may be

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 8:26 AM

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VW DSG w/ dry clutch 💩

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Yes

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It is

civic spoke Sep 24, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Police is training recruits on the stretch where I have been driving lately.

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It's fun to watch then pass with barely any room to breathe.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Nice 😛

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Dutch police is also training experienced drivers for the SIVs (Fast Intervention Vehicles), the Audi A6 Avant 3.0 TDIs the Dutch police force got last year.

I quote:
The drivers of the cars must undergo special training, because according to the police the Audis with 272 hp demand special driving skills.

So with the previous SIVs (Volvo V70), policeman could just get in and drive, but the A6's are so demanding they require special training...

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Well, imo they should have some kind of training, if they will use the cars at high speeds and risking lives with their doings to stop criminals

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Actually, during a demo video/interview, the Audi A6 understeered of the track on video 😂

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Lol

civic spoke Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Here they are practicing small country roads.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Well ofcourse they get training, but the A6's require special training. They've been on the road for about a year now, yet not all Audi's have been use since they require extra training 😛

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Yeah idk where they train here, probably on a track

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Specialised audi training

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Talegating, speeding

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:38 AM

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In today's lesson, we will teach how to properly tailgate as an audi driver

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Also, no more use of blinkers, yes we know its not a bmw, but its german, so close enough

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Drive like an asshole. Oh wait, Dutch police don't need that training, they're already drive like assholes

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Lol

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:41 AM

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puggers

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Well the Dutch police does have quality vehicles...

Audi A6 which nobody can drive apparently
Mercedes B-class which glued pedals on the steering wheel, too low to go over speedbumps, officers hitting the center console with their gun, no space for arrested in the back, and leaking roofs

Nice (:

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:43 AM

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Lol we don't have the b class here

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A VW (idk which) or Audi A6
And sometimes a Volvo

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Isn't it a beauty

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tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:44 AM

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No

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:45 AM

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VW Touran is the "old" car btw, they are getting replaced by the B-class

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Ah makes sense then

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Here, they have renault megane's, skoda superbs and skoda suv, undercovers are vw passat, also some high speed chasers vw tuareg and audi a4 limos

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Might have missed some

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Undercover cars can be anything around here

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I've seen Mondeo's, Passats, Insignia's, S3, Golf GTI/R32/R, VW Polo, A4, S/V60, V70, V90, .... literally everything xD

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Here they are stupid enough, to pick only 1 car that will be the new undercover one and thry even use the same paint on them.. not hard to spot them

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But they have been known for using other cars too

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Sometimes their own cars...

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Just like in Belgium: all Skoda Octavia VRS in black puggers

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I always watch out when I see one of those xD

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Same xD

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Also Tesla's MK

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I've seen a few of them in The Hague

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 AM

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puggers

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Both Model S and X

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Not around here xD

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Well also not in Assen

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But in The Hague there is

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Yikes

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Well, we do have bikes tho

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Don't forget

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Or horses

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So it varies from horse to Tesla Model S glare

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 10:09 AM

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From the middle ages to the modern ages

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Also bikes

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(Motorcycle, motorbikes)

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 10:36 AM

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LOL cops with special training meanwhile in aus we give them aludis as beat cars

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Aludis?

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 10:39 AM

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its nearly 9pm

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 10:39 AM

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So?

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 10:40 AM

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so you expect me to type with perfect spelling

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Yes

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Yes

heady ridge Sep 24, 2019, 10:41 AM

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i ment audi

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 10:41 AM

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I'm a carpenter,not a decrypter

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 10:46 AM

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Lol

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 12:22 PM

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The only cop cars here are Taurus and Explorer, though they have one Highlander and one Bolt

fair bronze Sep 24, 2019, 12:23 PM

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The B-Class is a nice, comfy car to drive, but a terrible police car

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 12:54 PM

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We have Chargers, Taurus Interceptors, and Explorers

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we also have a bunch of undercover F150s, works well because like 30% of the population has an F150

night current Sep 24, 2019, 1:28 PM

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'Murica

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Canada

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 1:33 PM

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The Netherlands

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Fuck yea!

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flag_nl emoji

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Who needs Charger, Taurus etc when you can have a Mercedes mini-van diesel?

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Oh yeah there's a super sneaky F150 here too

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Brap brap brap brap brap

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Braaaaap stutututu

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Well this is stupid

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📎 Screenshot_20190924-074348.jpg

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why even bother to make the Supra then? If they're just gonna make the cheaper can better?

rocky violet Sep 24, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Thats a bad business practice

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I mean I suppose the Supra was easy to make - just rebadge a BMW

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 2:50 PM

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It was co-developed, not just a 1:1 rebadge

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GT86 - Subaru BRZ is a 1:1 rebagde

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Also the GT86 will probably be cheaper and less powerful

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 2:51 PM

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it was 90% a rebadge

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They took trans, platform and engine from the z4, supposedly tuned the chassis, detuned the engine, and made it polarizing styling

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 3:13 PM

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It's an existing platform, yes, but both Toyota and BMW worked together to built out all of the hard points in the chassis, including the basic structure, wheelbase, track width and suspension design.

Since Toyota wanted to use a 6 cyl TT engine, it was a no brainer to use the existing BMW derived engine. The N55 wasn't up to Toyota's reliability standards, but BMW recently started the development of the B58 engine. Both Toyota and BMW started to work to create a version of that engine.

Transmission was an obvious choice too: the ZF 8HP 8-speed. Arguably the best auto you can currently get. Used by BMW, but also by Audi, Alfa's, Astons, Jaguar, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc.

After the main structure was completed (main chassis, engine, trans, suspension) the separated. From that point on, tweaks to the chassis, the interior and exterior design, tuning of suspensions and drivetrain components were done independently from each other.

The result: according the journalists, the Supra is actually the better "BMW".

night current Sep 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Ewww, if that's what the 86 looks like

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I'd rather spend the full price on an old ae86

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 3:39 PM

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that's just an artistic render by someone who doesn't work for Toyota

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and the Supra isn't a rebadge of a Z4, Toyota and BMW co-developed the chassis and then each tuned their version independently. And the B58 is the modern 2J, suck it up MK4 fanboys.

night current Sep 24, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Ahhhh, well hopefully it actually looks good.

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 4:54 PM

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As long as it is affordable.

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A new GT86 for 35 grand isn't gonna cut it.

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As for the new Supra.

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The inline 6 is apparently built like a tank, and tuners are pretty receptive to it.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Did they discontinue the GT86? Can't find it on the Toyota website here GWmythsBlobGlare

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Ah nvm, it's only discontinued in 🇳🇱

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€65k 😂 Now I see why it's discontinued

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 7:15 PM

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oof

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About 3 times more than in the US.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Classic

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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I feel damn lucky to have only paid 23.5 for my car.

warm sparrow Sep 24, 2019, 7:19 PM

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I mean why

📎 donkofdoom.PNG

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Why you do this

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stop these american horrors

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Yikes

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 7:37 PM

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how does that even drive

night current Sep 24, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Idk, but I image its painful to ride in.

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Only people in the hood really do that, or at least that I know of.

tropic silo Sep 24, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Why

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Maybe people like the looks.

jagged coyote Sep 24, 2019, 9:07 PM

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people are gonna say why not, and to that I say, but, just why?

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Because they think it's nifty.

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Just like buying a car with a manual transmission in 2019, or buying water cooled RAM.

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It's just nifty.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Just like buying a car with a manual transmission in 2019
laughs in Europe

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I mean hell. I can buy a car for under 40k new in the US.

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But I hear Honda is quitting diesels in the EU by 2021.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Yup, I read that too today

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Kind of amusing to see how fast automakers are abandoning diesel.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:33 PM

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So funny to see road taxes be like €1300/year for a 1.2 TDI with 75hp puggers

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But yeah the market share for diesels is dropping

#

Many manufacturers aren't developing new diesels anymore

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Because emissions have finally become too strict.

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And after dieselgate... they've been too strict for a while now apparently.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:34 PM

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And then Audi be like: here, the S6 is only gonna be sold as a diesel in Europe

lul

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Good for them I guess? 🤔

#

Like that's a bit of a weird move tbh.

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Why not sell a 2.0T as the base engine?

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:35 PM

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It's to reach the CO2 quota iirc, CO2 emissions of diesels is lower than gas

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Our base engine in the A6 is a 2.0 TDI btw

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Just hybridize it.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 PM

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A6 45 TFSI is a 2.0 TFSI tho (245hp)

And they are mIlD hYbRiD

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:37 PM

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skip the mild stuff

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Go full hybrid

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Yes, but "VorSpRuNg DuRcH TeChNiK"

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(Advancement by technology)

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Audi's slogan

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Is that why they dumbed down their Quattro system?

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Ofcourse

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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And use VW engines?

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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That's why they haven't done anything advanced the last 2 decades

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Maybe a bit harsh?

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I mean... the EA888 is semi new?

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Last decade?

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Y'know I was actually about to give VW some brownie points, but then they killed their 7 year warranty in the US.

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Like c'mon guys. 20 months of extended warranty hasn't changed my mind about VW long term prospects.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:44 PM

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7 year warranty lul EU be like 2

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And the Dutch warranty is a complete joke

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Because VWs manufacturers warranty is quite ok

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But Dutch VWs are bought by the importer without warranty, and the importer provides the warranty himself

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Cars without warranty are cheaper, and then the importer gives no warranty to the customers

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lul

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Idea was VW was/is trying to dig itself out of that dieselgate PR hit as well as them having a fair crap rep in the US.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:46 PM

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And since the government and the Dutch VW importer are besties... they do nothing about it lul

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:46 PM

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So you'd think that they'd keep the warranty.... cause lemme tell you.

#

The general perception of VW is going to only get worse in the next 3 years.

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They're killing the Golf, Alltrack, and SportWagen.

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They're not prime movers, sure. But they're THE VW cars that people know are VW.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:47 PM

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They are introducing many shitty "SUVs" tho puggers

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Golf is no prime mover lul

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Not in the US.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Well the EU does get a new Golf

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Sadly

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And it's ugly

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:47 PM

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VW has something like... 2 crossovers.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:48 PM

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We have:

T-Roc
T-Cross
Tiguan
Tiguan Allspace (nobody buys those)
Touareg

And then the US has the Atlas and the Tiguan Allspace (iirc)

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:49 PM

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We have the Tiguan and the Atlas. Toureg is dead.

#

By next generation the Golf is gone from the US.

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Only GTI.

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And the Passat is a refreshed last gen Passat which wasn't very good in the US.

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We got a special version made for big Americans and their big roads.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:50 PM

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But even then:

VW / Seat / Skoda
T-Cross == Arona == Kamiq
T-Cross == Ateca == Karoq
Tiguan (Allspace) == Tarracco == Kodiaq

All the same cars 😄

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And yeah the US Passat was bad

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Still is.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:51 PM

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True

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The European Passat is what the Arteon is based on

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Interior is identical

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:52 PM

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At least the US gets the Arteon.

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I am not a fan of these trends.

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I mean... I'm in for Japanese cars, so this doesn't affect me too much.

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Honda, Toyota, Nissan, and Mazda are all making new small cars.

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Well okay... only Toyota seems to be doing it right.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Not really a fan of modern Nissans tbh.... and Honda doesn't really sell appealing cars in Europa tbh. Toyota depends, the Yaris is old, Prius is just ugly. Aygo is shit, Rav4 is good but don't really like the styling, same with the CH-R... only Toyota atm I really like are the Supra and Corolla. Mazda makes really good looking cars tho

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Mazda2, Mazda3, Mazda6, CX-5, yeah I like those

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Or the CX-9, but we can't get that one

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Too bad the new Mazda3 is worse.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Agreed

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Sedan is nice tho

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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They sacrificed too much for the styling imo.

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Sedan is fine, but no manual in the US.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Hatchback rear is just wrong

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Also dat twist beam suspension.

remote ridge Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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i dont think ive seen a bad looking mazda

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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They look great.

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But driving them is a horror.

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The view out the back is tragic. You MUST use the backup camera.

remote ridge Sep 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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im just waiting to fix up my dads 92 mx-5

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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There you go, an ugly Mazda

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dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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But the problem is that the blindspots are so bad even the camera doesn't work that great.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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puggers

remote ridge Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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even then the color is still good

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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That being said. Engine is nice.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Yeah no fan of the Mazda 3 rear styling, both outside and viewing from the inside

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Transmission was alright.

remote ridge Sep 24, 2019, 9:59 PM

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but yes, blindspots on my mazda 5 SUUUCKS

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Interior styling was excellent if you ignored the crypt asethetic.

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Like... the car felt tight inside.

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Corolla didn't have that issue.

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Nor did the Civic.

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Okay... Civic Si was pretty nice overall to drive.

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I'm just not sure I trust the engine to last 250k.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

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We don't get the Si puggers

remote ridge Sep 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

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i just wish that i could drive an electric most of the time

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

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That being said. The Si had some notable turbo lag.

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And shifter felt waaaaay notchier than anything else I've driven from Honda.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I really like my GM manual transmission 😄 But smaller GM manuals are completely different from the US ones and developed in Europe/Germany xD

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Direct but smooth GWcmeisterPeepoLove

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:02 PM

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I'm sure they're identical.

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GM isn't known to develop their own sedans. Not since the 90s rolled around.

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Pretty much everything GM sells that isn't a crossover is based on an Opel.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Yeah but my car + transmission hasn't been in a US car

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:03 PM

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What do you drive?

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:03 PM

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2012 Corsa 😄

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1.2 😛

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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We didn't get that engine.

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But we did get the Corsa for a short while.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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GWmythsBlobGlare whot

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When

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Saturn Astra

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Last year or so before GM killed it.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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No that's the Opel Astra

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Astra is larger

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:05 PM

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ah wait, I see it.

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oof, a platform based on GM's abortive attempt at buying out Fiat.

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Something did come of it. wow

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...so your car shares a platform with the MiTo

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Yes, Corsa, Punto and MiTo share the same platform

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Sounds like you got the better end of the deal. lol

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Don't take this the wrong way, but it looks kinda cute.

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Assuming I have the right picture at any rate. Looks very very pleasant.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:07 PM

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It's actually a pretty good platform imho, I've driven almost all cars in that segment and I prefer the Corsa/Punto/MiTo and the Fiesta

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📎 LTT.jpg

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Looks very nice.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Not bad as my first car 😄

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Not fast but it has all I need, reliable, safe, comfortable yet fun, "cheap" to run... 😄

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Beats mine.

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I had a 97 Ford Escort.

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The USDM

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:08 PM

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:ohno: not the USDM

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Don't get me wrong. It was alright.

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Better than the Neon or Cavalier.

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Even had the 2.0 Zetec.

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But... at the end of the day. It was still a 90s Ford.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:09 PM

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xD

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:10 PM

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My family sold it after a few months. Got my dad's Ford Contour afterwards.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:10 PM

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puggers I have mine for over 3 years now

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I don't really want my parents mini-van

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xD

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It's faster... but it's a minivan 😛

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Contour was the Mondeo iirc, right?

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Yep

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A few differences.

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I had the V6 with a manual.

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That car was a shitshow.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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It has been years since I've last seen one, damn

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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90s Ford.

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They all ate their wiring harnesses.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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oof

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Excellent engine, solid transmission, super chassis.

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Electronics? yeah nah

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My favorite part is the 'rolla reminds me of the Contour.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Chevy trucks were bad for killing electrical systems

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Almost the same power, same space, same feel of the controls.

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It's a car you can drive like an idiot, or like a newbie.

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Or just drive it.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I know a buddy of mine (his parents) they had the 2nd gen Mondeo, they got rid of the car after 10 years/150k km/90k miles because all the electronics where bad. Literally nothing worked as it was intended xD

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Contour had more torque tho

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Man I wish automakers still stuck small V6s in cars.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Toyota

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Not really?

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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V6s at all xD

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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that's about it

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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The Camry isn't small.

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And the Corolla doesn't come with a V6 option.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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wish VW would put VR6s in Golfs and Jettas again

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the Atlas has a VR6 option

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I wish they'd try to make a car worth buying.

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The new Jetta is... blah

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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yeah I agree

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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But they're too busy exiting the USDM.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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MK7.5 R is pretty good

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Oh boy... a 40 grand car.

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Give me a Mustang GT at that point.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Get an up! GTI puggers

📎 up-gti-tuning-10006.png

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Or a WRX.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Mustang GTs are kinda meh

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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1 liter turbocharged, 115hp puggers

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True GTI

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Like the OG Golf

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Too bad we don't get the Up.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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the original GTI was 1.8l and had no turbo

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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It was also a compact car.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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No but it had the same weight and hp

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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And cheap.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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roughly

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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The new GTI is just... expensive.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Then you haven't seen dutch prices xD

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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why would I buy an Up! GTI when I could buy 2 MK1 Rabbit GTIs for $1000

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Because it's new

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Because the Up! will run.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:18 PM

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idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:19 PM

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If you found 2 OG GTIs, buy em.

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And flip em for 2 grand each.

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They're cult cars.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:19 PM

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actually I should probably buy those GTIs, 2 complete cars plus a rebuilt engine plus a head for $1k is a good deal

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:19 PM

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I'm sensing something off here.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:19 PM

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they've been sitting in a barn for 25 years

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:19 PM

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ah, so they need work.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:20 PM

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pugges Golf GTI starts from €48k here puggers

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 10:20 PM

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my car was $700

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:20 PM

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And mine was 23500.

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I sincerely doubt the GTI would have been 5-6k better.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Oof I can get the Golf R specced up to €83k joy

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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hahahaha

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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(91k USD)

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Definitely worth it

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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That's only twice the price of the US spec.

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Which is no way in hell 20 grand better than my car.

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Cars are expensive here... but not that expensive xD

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puggers So a Golf R fully loaded is just as expensive as a fully loaded BMW 330i xDrive with literally everything including Individual Interior etc

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glare hard choice

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Hell it can even get you a 540i xDrive Touring. Not loaded but still not sparsely equipped

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 10:41 PM

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yikes

dense shard Sep 24, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I'll take the BMW.

carmine summit Sep 24, 2019, 11:11 PM

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I'd buy a year old Golf R

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Still €45k pogey

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Same as a 1 year old 530i

indigo coral Sep 24, 2019, 11:21 PM

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stupid

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Land of 100k Stingers

stoic ledge Sep 24, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Yes

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But hey even a freaking Golf starts at €28k (31k USD)

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And unlike in the US.. it's a whopping 1.0 TSI with 115hp

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But it's also the land to give cars like this no-low emissions tax:
https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims?quality=85&image_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fo.aolcdn.com%2Fimages%2Fdims%3Fresize%3D2000%252C2000%252Cshrink%26image_uri%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fs.yimg.com%252Fos%252Fcreatr-uploaded-images%252F2019-08%252Fdffb2810-caae-11e9-be2d-08694b54c25e%26client%3Da1acac3e1b3290917d92%26signature%3D44528ae3144a10c5340713744a2feb2b495672d7&client=amp-blogside-v2&signature=cf967bec07a6a734f17dba6b69746d2e8a498483

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GWseremePeepoHappy

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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At least the new exploder looks nice.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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I hate gas cars. Too damn many things to break.

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I wish electric cars were cheap and practical but they won't be for a long time

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 12:42 AM

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I'm happy with my gas car for now.

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I just need em to be as reliable and durable.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Mine burns oil and I'm worried it's gonna get worse over the coming years

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But I don't have the money or skills for an engine rebuild

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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I expect my car to be grandfathered in to an all electric world.

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"You can no longer buy gas powered cars."

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But I'll be there. Sitting smugly in my Corolla.

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I'm sure I'll have an electric car by then.

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But I have no intention of leaving my love of driving.

desert glen Sep 25, 2019, 2:42 AM

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The Volvo’s replacement

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Focus SE, 5spd manual

hexed shore Sep 25, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Manual linusPerfect

silk finch Sep 25, 2019, 3:54 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190924-235537_Message.jpg

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Refresh Focus from the looks of it.

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I liked the styling on those.

silk finch Sep 25, 2019, 3:55 AM

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They look so fucking similiar it pisses me off

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 3:55 AM

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They do?

silk finch Sep 25, 2019, 3:55 AM

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📎 JPEG_20190716_225409.jpg

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Fusion

silk finch Sep 25, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Yeah

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If i blow it up im coyote swapping it and converting it to rwd

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 3:57 AM

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dunno why, but I can tell em apart just fine.

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Then again I can tell apart facelift Hondas.

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Very similar styling tho now that you mention it. Somehow never noticed. 😂

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Fusion and Focus are quite easy to tell apart imho 😅

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:41 AM

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From the rear sure.

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But looking at pictures they're strikingly similar. I never had an issue, but if I had to describe what sets em apart...

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Fusion has a taller grill with more shape, thinner headlights, and just... more angular.

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Focus is more... bloppy?

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Bwah I can see the difference, different grill and headlight design, lower/wider profile (Fusion)

rough cipher Sep 25, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Spotted a Pontiac Firebird

📎 image1.jpg 📎 image0.jpg 📎 image2.jpg

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 10:36 AM

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puggers more Dutchies

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But nice ok_hand

tropic silo Sep 25, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Yes GebruikersName = Dutch Puggers emote

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Also; the kindness of blurring the license plates

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Or just dont trust a single soul from here. keksplosion emote

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Well I see a Dutch street name sign + Bovag Garage on the window

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A.k.a Dutch

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 11:06 AM

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don't have to blur plates here because you can't get personal information from them

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Net personal information, but almost all other type of information

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I don't really care to blur it

rough cipher Sep 25, 2019, 11:37 AM

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GWdogawooThrugging

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 1:47 PM

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you can't get anything from it here

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you can get information from the VIN

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 2:04 PM

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(just a random car)

📎 Screenshot_20190925-160336.jpg

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(you can expand some boxes ofc)

tropic silo Sep 25, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Ah yes. Completely blurry screenshot

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Open original

tropic silo Sep 25, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Ahhh

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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LOLRIP

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📎 IMG_20190925_074842.jpg

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Someone got pulled over in my college parking lot.

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LAWL

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Oof nice

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 2:57 PM

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L M A O and he didn't have his insurance or registration with him aka he's probably losing licence

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you have to keep that in the car all the time to drive lol

stoic ledge Sep 25, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Lol what an idiot

civic spoke Sep 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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We don't need that over here. starX

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It's all digital.

tight cypress Sep 25, 2019, 3:40 PM

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i dirve without an lisence or registration

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no idea what do i need to fix to register

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Cops can look it up on their computer @civic spoke but it's still a severe offence to not have it with you on paper. Still lose-your-licence territory

civic spoke Sep 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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starX

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You only require it if going out of country.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Which is stupid

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Oop

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Delayed message

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It's stupid the way they have it setup over here

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I meant

civic spoke Sep 25, 2019, 3:56 PM

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At least now you can bring up insurance on your phone.

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We don't have to bother with that.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:25 PM

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ok so

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I'm looking at station wagons to replace my dying Ford Taurus. $3k budget maximum, I need it to be practical but fun and cheap to insure. Must have some modern safety features. Heavily considering Chevy Caprice/Buick Roadmaster wagons, Volvo V70/V70XC/8xx/9xx wagons, Outback/Legacy/Forester wagons, and Focus Zetec Wagons. Located in Chicago-Milwaukee area.

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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I don't know if the GM twins came with "some modern safety features."

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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📎 C-658VsXoAo3ovC.png

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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You'd be looking at something made in this millennium.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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they have ABS and Airbags

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thats mainly what i need

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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oh, cool

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That's more than my Accord had.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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my taurus doesn't even get ABS

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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oof

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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lmao

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@dense shard not to mention the GM twins, especially the '94-'96 models, get better mileage than my taurus

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my taurus is averaging 15 city

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the 5.7 LT1 gets 18

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Depends how you drive it.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:29 PM

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my transmission makes it hang in 1st

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Also pretty sure the LT1 was only in the Impala.

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You'd be looking at an L99.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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nope!

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It was in the Caprice and Roadmaster

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from '94-'96

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Assuming you find one from there.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:31 PM

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the L99 5.7 is just underpowered

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but get similar economy from the hydraulic 4L60

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in the '91-'93 models

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but with a tune they would definitely make a fuck ton of power

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because they're just regular ol SBCs

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Well if I ever want to buy a Caprice... looks like getting the Wagon towards the end would make life easier.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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yeah

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Cause that is 100% the LT1.

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how the 2020 Audi RS6 Avant could resurrect the American wagon

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It can't.

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Because America would rather pay 70 grand for an SUV than a wagon.

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Mercedes couldn't save the US with their AMG wagons, and Cadillac couldn't keep it with their CTS-V wagon.

jolly harbor Sep 25, 2019, 4:37 PM

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yeah I found a '95 Caprice LT1 Wagon

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but they want $3700

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Makes sense.

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They know what they got.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I like wagons but I can see the appeal of SUVs cause I drive one 😂

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 4:57 PM

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you want a reliable wagon for $3k? early MK4 Jetta TDI wagon. The ALH is stupidly reliable, my dad's 02 TDI has 442,000 KM on it and it still runs like new.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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a lowered rx300 = wagon. Same damn thing. Lol

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Just kidding. Mostly.

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I mean... a crossover isn't a bad idea.

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A toyota RAV4 or Honda CR-V are both excellent choices.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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crossovers are just less practical wagons, change my mind

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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You're not gonna get a decent RX for 3k. Only ratty ass ones.

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Most of them sell for 5-8k still

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Wagons rarely come with AWD or have raised ride heights.

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I'd say a modern crossover is more practical.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Why are crossovers less practical than wagons?

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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More vertical space for storage as well.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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B6 Audi Allroad

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Aren't those shit?

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Still lacked the height.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Continual failures?

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:00 PM

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the suspension tends to have issues but if you put the regular Avant suspension in it it's pretty good

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:00 PM

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...

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So you remove the raised suspension.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:00 PM

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the raised suspension sucks and you can probably get lift springs for normal suspension

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Or I could get a crossover.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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with less interior volume and higher fuel consumption than an equivalent wagon

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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uhhhhh

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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what?

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I'll Grant you higher fuel consumption but how do you figure less interior volume?

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A crossover is significantly taller than a wagon

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:02 PM

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I'll use VW as an example

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I'll use Honda as an example.

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The CR-V has more interior cargo space than the Accord wagon.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I would use Lexus but they don't make wagons 😢

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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CR-V is also shorter I believe.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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new Tiguan has maximum 66.7 cubic feet storage, new Golf Sportwagen has 66.5 cubic feet

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Golf sportwagen is longer, no?

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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And the Sportwagen is being discontinued in the US... if not Europe as well.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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The Tiguan is a very small SUV if I recall correctly

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:04 PM

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we're talking crossovers

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Also you haven't proven your point Boost. Tiguan has, pedantically speaking, more cargo volume.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:04 PM

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0.2 cubic feet

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:04 PM

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They're practically identical.

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Hardly less interior volume for the Tiguan.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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And I would be willing to bet the useable space is larger on the tiguan

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Useable space != Litres of volume

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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I imagine it's a bit taller.

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Okay, fair play there Falcon.

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That is an issue with my Corolla.

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The space isn't much, nor is it very usable. lol

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:05 PM

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That's why the box test/Banana box stuff is valuable

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Since its actually how much shit goes in there

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:06 PM

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fuel consumption is still a factor, is it worth 3 l/100km to have the 0.2 cubic feet of the Tiguan?

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Depends on your needs

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Considering the Tiguan has better ground clearance?

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I'd say it absolutely depends on your needs.

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Though... what is the MPG difference between the two cars?

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VW's AWD model gets low 30s on the highway I believe.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Sportwagen gets 37 highway

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I know that my RX has hella space particularly with the seat folded down

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Sportwagen in fwd gets 37

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What if I need AWD?

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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but mines old so 🤷

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Say I live in Maine.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Tiguan gets 29

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highway

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:07 PM

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with AWD yes

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The AWD sportwagen only gets 31 highway.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I'd take that sacrifice to have more ground clearance, AWD, and more useable space

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Don't forget a more commanding view of the road.

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People like feeling in charge.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Yeah

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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let me put it this way: unless you're driving offroad you don't need ground clearance and AWD

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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It's nice to have

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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It is very nice to have.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Particularly around here where it snows/rains like shit all the time

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Also that 1.4 turbo isn't exactly a gem in the VW lineup.

indigo coral Sep 25, 2019, 5:09 PM

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If you live in Texas then sure whatever but I end up doing a lot of rain/snow driving

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I live in a rural area in Canada, I've worked for the municipality, and my dad was a snowplow operator for the municipality until he became a supervisor

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so he and I drive on unplowed roads often in the winter

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:10 PM

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okay, and?

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Most people don't.

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And they like the added peace of mind.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:11 PM

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And they think they need AWD

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yet we drive on unplowed roads with FWD

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:11 PM

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And those people do it with AWD.

carmine summit Sep 25, 2019, 5:11 PM

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and do they need it?

dense shard Sep 25, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Does it matter?

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They like the peace of mind.