The swirl flaps in my intake open at 3500rpm, then it starts to go
#cars
viral matrix
tight cypress
in gravel
indigo coral
Is it bad to get into the 4-5k rpm range occasionally?
stoic ledge
No, the opposite
viral matrix
Depends if you service your engine often enough
jagged coyote
nah it cleans the pipes a little
indigo coral
My car warms up real quick
jagged coyote
5000rpm cold start
cue the boom
indigo coral
just a tiny engine, there's not a cooling problem
viral matrix
I get into 7000rpm like once a week 😂
indigo coral
My redline is somewhere around 6500
stoic ledge
tiny engine
3.0 V6 
indigo coral
i never get up there, usually peak at high 5s
viral matrix
My redline starts at 6500
indigo coral
I read on the internet that brake torquing a torque converter automatic isn't bad for it
is this true?
viral matrix
Revs up to 7100-7200
indigo coral
Unless I'm like nearly flooring it my car won't shift at anything higher than 2800rpm in normal mode
That's what PWR mode is for.
jagged coyote
driving an auto
viral matrix
I don't have to rev my 2.5 v6 over 3000rpm like ever
But I still do
Cuz it sounds nice
indigo coral
It's much more willing to drop a gear and fly or rev up higher in power mode
jagged coyote
2.5 v6, this thin can rev 
indigo coral
i kinda wonder what my car sounds like without a restrictive exhaust
but I'm not gonna find out
viral matrix
Bike revs up to 11.5k
jagged coyote
just rune the car without headers 
viral matrix
Didn't shift into 5th yet in the video
indigo coral
on the floor?
viral matrix
Yea
viral matrix
It's quite sluggish
indigo coral
i dont think I've ever intentionally floored it
viral matrix
only 170hp after all
tight cypress
em talkin boit global warming again
eager kite
lit
carmine summit
I replaced my valve cover gasket this week because it was leaking and it still leaks
I'm looking for a swap donor now because why not
I've figured out that I can get a 1.8t in my car and get it running for $1500 or possibly even less
desert glen
I'm just gonna get a new car because fuck it
fathom socket
buuged where do you live
desert glen
VA
indigo coral
LFA best sounding car ever. Period.
indigo coral
nah
LFA is awesome but some of their cars aren't
(new Rx is suboptimal)
Lc500 is a great car too tho.
stoic ledge
@eager kite https://drivetribe.com/p/teslas-plaid-prototype-breaks-down-E1S3aWQLSWew7g1eamCw0w?iid=al28AA2eTU69lKtHa8J2Qw
puggers
carmine summit
I'm not a Lexus fanboy but the LFA is the best sounding car ever
indigo coral
^^
carmine summit
Nothing comes close to that V10
It's so good
I like German cars mostly but nothing will ever be as good as the LFA
tropic silo
@tight cypress only 140km/h keksplosion emote
night current
LFA does sound pretty good.
I'm not really a fan of any other cars of theirs
Also rip that Tesla
I still love tesla a lot tho
😍
bitter compass
german cars...
if you spend a lot you will get quality if you spend a lot but not enough you will get Volkswagens trash or an opel 👀
stoic ledge
> VW Trash
vital glen
@stoic ledge hmmm...
bitter compass
opel breaks within the first 20 meters 🤔
eager kite
@stoic ledge whatisaprototype.exe
eager kite
dense shard
For all we know.
Daimler has 3 generations already planned out.
"In recent years, there have been signs that internal combustion engines were reaching their limits."
Oh Freddie boy
In recent years we've gotten proof that ICE still has a lot to give us. Thanks to Mazda and Toyota.
eager kite
The road for ICE development is quickly reaching the end.
dense shard
Mazda and Toyota disagree.
And up till dieselgate, no one had plans to stop ICE.
Personally I only read Electrek to give me context for TheDrive rants.
dense shard
Suzuki has been behind in everything.
From 4 stroke to hybrid to electric.
Their entire MO has been cheap, cheerful, niche. It's why they've been a dominating force in India. They actually managed to cater to that market better than Tata with the Nano.
The big news here is Suzuki and Daihatsu collaborating. That's honestly a first I think.
Still, points to Toyota for developing a dedicated electric platform instead of trying to adapt an ICE platform like BMW is.
stoic ledge
Sounds like Mazda and Toyota are behind EVs as well
Sounds like Tesla is behind on build quality as well
runs
dense shard
No no... I think we have misread...
Sure Toyota and the rest are getting behind EV.
But they haven't said anything about ending development on petrol.
Then again the Daimler story is a bit disingenuous.
They're still gonna invest in updates and changes. Though they're implying no more new families of engines... which I find hard to believe.
stoic ledge
Well Volvo also stopped developing diesels... But they still sell and update their current engines 😛
indigo coral
Agree about Daimler
dense shard
Most of Europe has stopped developing diesel engines. Then again half the EU is planning to phase out the engines.
US on the other hand is getting diesel happy with trucks. The big three each have diesel trucks on the market. Something absent just a few years back.
stoic ledge
Bwah not really.. VAG developed new diesels, PSA did, Ford did..
dense shard
PSA did it with Ford.
But Ford's development is just an update right now.
Nothing actually new new.
stoic ledge
1.5 BlueHDI puggers
dense shard
Then again FCA is also developing FRESH engines for compression.
At the end of the day... German automakers don't represent Europe.
stoic ledge
I do like Mazda's SkyActive-X engine tho
dense shard
We'll see if that delivers.
Media seems more focused on emissions right now than fuel economy.
stoic ledge
Mazda3 2.0 122hp vs Mazda3 SkyActive-X 180hp is only €800 difference here puggers
dense shard
But in the US the 2.0 is gone.
stoic ledge
Emissions depends on fuel economy
dense shard
We have the 2.5 as the base engine with 186 horses.
dense shard
It was alright. I wasn't impressed.
stoic ledge
2.5 would be too expensive
dense shard
Frankly the new Mazda 3 is a disappointment.
stoic ledge
The rear is odd
dense shard
It's tragic.
The styling is fine, but the form over function ruined the car for me.
I didn't know the blind spots would be that big... or the rear window so tiny.
Also for all the development they put into the driving position... the seat was too narrow for my American sized butt.
And rotary knobs replacing a touch screen... errrr... not great tbh.
stoic ledge
Mazda 3 Sedan > hatchback imho, only compact car I think looks good as a sedan (and/or better than the hatchback)
dense shard
Also the price killed me.
stoic ledge
I like the rotary knob
dense shard
The manual was priced at 28k... and the dealer wasn't willing to go down.
The rotary knob wasn't intuitive.
stoic ledge
But I like to have the option to use it as both touch and rotary knob... BMW does it 
28k looks steep for the US
dense shard
It's steep for an economy car.
stoic ledge
Would be cheap for here xD
dense shard
I get Mazda is trying to move up market.
But 28k for the manual... yeah nah
The Mazda 3 is NOT 5 grand better than the Corolla hatchback.
Especially when you count the new suspension setups in both cars.
stoic ledge
99% Corollas here are hybrids (:
dense shard
I wish we got the hybrid hatchback.
stoic ledge
Only other option is a 1.2 Turbo, so...
dense shard
I maybe would have considered it over the manual.
stoic ledge
Both Wagon and hatchback can be get as both low and high power hybrid (:
stoic ledge
It looks quite good imho
dense shard
Looks better than the JDM Corolla wagons.
civic spoke
It's sometimes fun to drive trucks on narrow roads.
stoic ledge
Ah
civic spoke
Other times it's sketchy.
stoic ledge
Kei cars are awesome
civic spoke
This was a stretch of road I drove on today with a dumper truck. https://goo.gl/maps/q7Bu3wCJkg3rAd3v5
dense shard
They're awesome till you try to fit 4 people with luggage inside.
civic spoke
Probably weighing a solid 26 tonnes.
stoic ledge
Bwah that's not that narrow, that almost like our average road xD
Too bad kei cars have the steering wheel at the wrong side
So made it to here tho, idk why
Seen some modern Suzuki Wagon's
civic spoke
Mk, I think it's a bit of a requirement over here that two busses/trucks have to be able to pass each other over here.
Even if it is just barely.
dense shard
Suzuki does have a market presence outside Japan.
I imagine India is a bigger market than Japan for them right now.
stoic ledge
If it fits, it's good enough right? xD
civic spoke
The fun thing is just that it's a 70 kmh road. xD
Good luck trying to do that in a 26 tonne truck.
stoic ledge
Yeah but a RHD kei-car Suzuki in a LHD European country via gray import... Doesn't make sense xD
Lol xD Yeah that's quite fast
dense shard
People like imports.
Much in the same way Japanese people import American SUVs.
Or Americans import Skylines.
stoic ledge
Yeah ok, Skyline, Silvia and Stanza and stuff get imported here too xD
But those are mostly bought as fun car next to a daily driver
A 2012 Suzuki Wagon is not such car
RHD for daily driving is quite impractical
stoic ledge
tru
civic spoke
Harder to overtake. 
stoic ledge
But we are also allowed to park againt the traffic xD
indigo coral
People hardly ever overtake in america
Like you're either a douche or the person is driving very slow
(not counting multi lane roads)
stoic ledge
I don't do it often on single lane roads, but it does happen
indigo coral
Around here roads are much wider though
At least most of them
So people tend to go faster
I've never overtaken someone on a single lane road (not counting going around garbage trucks)
stoic ledge
Many roads are narrow af here
jagged coyote
sometimes it's tricky but i do it everyonce in a while
jagged coyote
imo you can't make road as wide as some i've seen in ireland
stoic ledge
Lol the road outside my village, 1 feet left == head-on crash
jagged coyote
you've got 2 shoulers as wide as a car, 2 lane that's as wide as 2 trucks
stoic ledge
That's probably too wide for my village
indigo coral
If your car almost fills the lane then yes. It's wayyyyy too big.
jagged coyote
I mean, look at this
stoic ledge
Skip to 0:45 :)
(don't listen to the music, it was on the radio at the time xD )
jagged coyote
I mean, if the bus fits, the dualie can fit
indigo coral
The dually might be wider than the bus LOL.
wheat hatch
@stoic ledge Your parking skills must be off the charts
stoic ledge
The dually might be wider than the bus LOL.
That's what I was thinking too xD
@MK Your parking skills must be off the charts
Ofc 
That road in the video is closed atm now, all traffic has to go through an even narrower road
jagged coyote
oof
jagged coyote
reminds me of the road near my grandparents house
stoic ledge
This truck made it through that road
jagged coyote
one car at a time, opposing traffic must wait
one car at a time, opposing traffic must wait
stoic ledge
This truck made it through that road
jagged coyote
one car at a time, opposing traffic must wait
stoic ledge
Ok, nice
jagged coyote
and discord is borked
stoic ledge
This one got stuck entering my village
jagged coyote
free liquid nitrogen for pc cooling
stoic ledge
Liquid Air, safe chemicals puggers
jagged coyote
well, it's not gonna eat you skin and flesh
but it's gonna give you frostbite and with a flame, blow the hell out of you
stoic ledge
(not sure if it's send, but hey, living the Discord life)
Ah it's back
It was stuck there for 2 hours
The only way in and out of our village
Nice (:
jagged coyote
and all the messages i've read the past few days are now marked as unread
fair bronze
Shit that dashcam vid was tight
stoic ledge
Is it just me, or isn't it paved?
viral matrix
Our road isn't paved either
eager kite
jagged coyote
can't wait for the 7:05, then porsche and others wont have anything to say
eager kite
dense shard
So removing the driver makes it interesting?
I don't see how.
Also rally exists... I mean seriously... "traditional racing"
Sure F1 and Nascar are boring, but WRC? That's great stuff.
vital glen
@eager kite That's not traditional racing
Traditional racing is going 100mph on practically a straight wall
Without a seatbelt
and only a leather cap and some goggles
or a top
that's traditional racing
dense shard
We should bring that back actually.
We need a mechanic/co-driver there to do on the move repairs.
or better yet? Motorchariot racing.
"Everything is mechanized today, so why not Ben Hurr?"
This is Harley's path to survival.
eager kite
@dense shard I mean they explain in the video multiple reasons why they think the future of (AI controlled) electric racing will be more interesting than today's Nascar and F1 racing
dense shard
I quit when they started talking about driving through buildings.
Technically or not really isn't an issue. Idea of a race is to get around a set track as fast as possible.
vital glen
Monster Truck
dense shard
"oh you can go through a building"
Real life ain't a video game.
Self driving cars have enough issues on a well marked road with signs.
eager kite
The idea behind that was that an autonomous car could do crazy shit like that more safely than a human could, and that it could be done in the first place due the cars being electric
Cities don't want to have extremely loud race cars going through their cities
but an electric one is pretty quiet
indigo coral
autonomous racing would be so bloody boring
dense shard
Cities don't want to shut down entire buildings so that race cars can go through.
vital glen
No no no
dense shard
And right now.
vital glen
Cities don't care if they get enough money
eager kite
I'm not saying they will do the building thing
dense shard
I'm hearing Formula E is dreadfully boring.
vital glen
People care
eager kite
it was just an example of the type of thing that an autonomous car can do
dense shard
Half the attraction of a race IS the noise.
eager kite
sure, EVs sound dope as hell
dense shard
The spectacle, the event, the sounds.
vital glen
Fórmula E is weird @indigo coral
eager kite
I'd rather not have to wear ear protection at the race
dense shard
I'd rather not get put to sleep.
vital glen
They have fan votes on their driver
Where depending on who gets voted
The driver gets an extra 50kw for a couple seconds
dense shard
That sounds ripe for abuse.
eager kite
It's limited so it can't happen very often in the race
dense shard
Just have the entirety of a car company vote for their guy, and he gets a perma boost.
dense shard
"oh look, Toyota employees voted for their guy... again."
eager kite
There's a reason why Nascar and F1 viewership is falling
And that's that the newer generations find it less entertaining
so you may complain that you might find it more boring
but we already see it as boring
vital glen
I thought F1 shot up
dense shard
Formula E has done nothing to address falling viewership.
eager kite
Formula E viewership has gone up by more than double from the 2016-17 season to the 2017-18 season
In the meantime, Formula 1 viewership has been pretty stagnant the last decade and a half
dense shard
How many viewers?
vital glen
300million unique viewers
dense shard
Latest F1 global viewing figures reveal 1.3bn watched first 15 races with Monaco GP’s audience growing
vital glen
Avg 27mil/race
dense shard
That's 300 million over an entire season.
"Monaco, however, showed a 10 per cent rise to 110m viewers."
That's F1.
eager kite
dense shard
Looks like Formula 1 isn't losing viewers.
Yes, one country.
"In Berlin, 1.46 million people watched that race after a German television station ZDF aired it on terrestrial television in Germany for the first time."
vital glen
They shifted from showing races to showing highlishgts @eager kite
Or was that Britain
I can't remember
dense shard
Formula E isn't matching 1992 figures.
dense shard
no clue why you posted the same graph twice, but okay.
Can you give us the source of those graphs?
eager kite
I didn't?
dense shard
you did
eager kite
...
dense shard
How about linking the source of those graphs?
Look, I can read a graph.
The numbers match up.
Do they not?
eager kite
oh , I guess the first graph incorrectly labeled their then
eager kite
ok for the sake of argument, let's say everything in your article is correct
That growth rate is still an order of magnitude lower than Formula E's growth rate
and Formula E's popularity with kids between 13 and 17 went up 350% from 16-17 season to 17-18 season
dense shard
Yes, it's a brand new thing. It will quickly build an audience.
eager kite
The biggest cause for optimism is the growth in younger people. Formula E saw 347% growth in the number of 13-to-17-year-old fans engaging with its online content relative to last season. Specifically, on the official Formula E Facebook page, two age groups (13-17 and 18-24) now account for almost half of the total engagement, currently coming in at 49%, which is up 439% from the previous season. That’s measured in likes, comments and shares.
dense shard
But at what point will it plateau?
Well for the sake of argument, let's say what you posted is correct.
Growth can slow after a point.
dense shard
It can peter out in a couple of generations.
eager kite
and there's no reason to think that it will crash right now
dense shard
Maybe the next economic downturn will kill Formula E.
eager kite
lmao if there's an economic downturn it will kill if anything gas sports
dense shard
It's not a matter of "if."
Downturns are always a when.
So far Formula, Indy, WRC have all survived.
eager kite
gas prices are going to shoot up when it happens
eager kite
They were still growing viewership in the 70s
dense shard
Great, then maybe F-E will grow theirs when a few whatever happens in the next few years.
And survive.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/rcdeue0dytffsck0xnho.png You could say that here Porsche has...
Taycan the lead.
jagged coyote
out, now
eager kite
Porsche? Taycan show themselves out of the relevant auto world within a few years
indigo coral
good joke
eager kite
indigo coral
prototype
vital glen
@indigo coral no man, it's obvi production
indigo coral
100%
eager kite
reminds me when someone said that because the Model S at Nurburgring was a prototype that it's 7:20 lap time doesn't count......
vital glen
Because it doesn't
eager kite
So neither does Porsche's Taycan lap time of 7:43
eager kite
I mean, I wouldn't call it a proof of concept
That's like what you make in your lab for super cheap as a technology demonstration
eager kite
Idk, I don't see why you would write off prototype lap times as irrelevant
vital glen
@eager kite it's irrelevant to us for the most part, but for internal testing it's good information
eager kite
I mean their prototype times will probably translate to the real products pretty well
carmine summit
The production S will be slower, guarantee it
Not sure about the Taycan, it could be faster or slower
dense shard
Everything and everyone is saying the Tesla time is unofficial.
And even IF the Tesla is faster. What is known about Porsche's time is it was 7:42 set on the Turbo.
There is still a Turbo S in the wings.
And knowing Porsche... A GTS, GT3, and likely some equally stupid name.
To be totally honest. High 7s isn't exactly stellar out of halo car.
The Civic Type R did it in 7:43.
A front wheel drive hatchback.
And for all we know. Porsche is nerfing the Taycan to not step on the toes of the 911. Cause yay tradition. Personally I'm questioning the Turbo and Turbo S monikers.
eager kite
Twitter
dense shard
How much horsepower is needed to beat a Honda. Apparently 300+
gg Porsche and Tesla.
vital glen
It isn't an official time.
eager kite
The only difference between the Turbo and Turbo S is the 80 more HP available in 2.5 second intervals
vital glen
What
eager kite
no they have an official track time slot set in a few weeks
dense shard
I'll take the Porsche with consistent performance.
eager kite
The Model S Plaid that they set this 7:20 record never overheated...
eager kite
if it did then it's even more impressive
dense shard
Still short of a real super car tho.
eager kite
because it means it got a great time even being handicapped from heat
vital glen
@eager kite Does Bugatti have the record for first production car to reach 300mph?
eager kite
I don't think the car they hit 300mph with was a production car
vital glen
- It wasn't
- they still don't have a record
in any capacity
They didn't run the road twice
they didn't want to
eager kite
Ok, and?
vital glen
The car itself prob wouldn't have passed the 300mph barrier
if they ran the other way
for the official time
eager kite
Ok, I still dont know why you brought this up
vital glen
manufactures can spit shit all they want
but until it is official, it shouldn't be goggled at
dense shard
I stick to official runs tbh.
eager kite
100% disagree
dense shard
For now a Lambo is the fastest.
Unofficial leaves everything in the air.
Opening us to wild claims.
Like Vector probably claimed they could do it in under 5 minutes.
Assuming they could secure funding to build that car someone's son drew.
Bugatti hit 300 in a modfied Chiron. No one is calling it official.
That being said, it's huge win for tech still. Someone built a tire capable of withstanding 300... which is crazy.
vital glen
reinforced cup 2s
dense shard
Specially designed is my understanding.
Something about the wire patterns inside being special.
hmmm... Guess it IS just a Cup 2. Reinforced and all that.
Damn... so it isn't a specially designed tire. gg Michelin.
eager kite
We aren't talking about companies claiming they can do stuff
We're talking about individuals and the company timing their lap
And both say it was 7:20
dense shard
Then we can talk about it next year.
Until then, prototypes are not official.
As they are not production.
Or official.
Because there will always be a one off that can do it faster.
Going into non-production means Tesla is against VW... which trounced em soundly with the ID.R... which is a prototype.
ID.R set a lap time of 6 minutes, 5 seconds.
dense shard
We're comparing prototypes to prototypes.
eager kite
Prototypes of furture production 4 door sedans
eager kite
I don't see why you're so stuck on this
dense shard
Much in the same way society waited to call the Chiron the fastest.
eager kite
Very weird hill to die on
eager kite
I didn't call it one
dense shard
I'm not sure why you insist on calling a non-official time real.
eager kite
It's a real time
dense shard
ArialToday at 7:58 PM
Yes of a prototype powertrain
eager kite
It isn't official but it's a real time
dense shard
You are being pedantic. You know exactly what I mean.
I will not acknowledge a non-official time.
Tesla has bullshit in the past.
Insist all you want, but until Tesla puts the plaid edition into production, it will remain a prototype time.
Tesla might go under next year for all we know.
And to be totally honest. I'm gonna channel James May here.
I see no point of any electric car going on the Nürburgring. It serves no purpose. No one will ever use the full performance, no one will ever got that fast legally, and for that matter aren't electric cars supposed to be dispelling stuff about range? So it can run a lap in 5 minutes. Big freaking deal. How about focusing on a Super Efficiency model?
Gonna call out everyone who makes electric cars. Where is my Efficiency trim? Pay homage to the alter of exotic material not for performance but for mileage!
eager kite
So any stat on any car has to be official in order for you to accept it
And it would be extremely difficult for tesla to go under next year
Like they would have to burn a shitton of cash for that to happen
I agree I see no point with any production car going on a track unless it's only a track car
I don't know what the thing about range is, Teslas have ridiculous ranges for EVs
And Teslas are the most efficient EVs on the market
dense shard
They aren't.
Ioniq Electric gets 136 MPGe compared to Tesla Model 3's 130.
Range tho.. yeah. Tesla dominates.
indigo coral
(and performance)
not including the Taycan at 150+
in terms of "attainable" EVs, the Model 3 is the only one with decent performance
dense shard
Let's include it all.
Over 100k the prices become meaningless to me. They're all unattainable at that point.
Model 3 gives damn solid performance if not the best.
indigo coral
and isnt horrifically expensive
dense shard
Best... What other electric does 0-60 in 5 seconds?
indigo coral
52k iirc for Performance
dense shard
Tesla... ?
indigo coral
I Pace i think
dense shard
oh... errr... that
I'd rather have a Tesla.
Not as good looking, but at this point I trust Tesla in all metrics over Jaguar.
indigo coral
The I-Pace is veeryyyy unreliable
dense shard
And JLR's future is cloudy.
dense shard
And don't have Elon Musk to hype them.
indigo coral
I sat in it, its far more spacious and comfortable than the Ipace
dense shard
I believe it.
indigo coral
(and I bet more reliable)
dense shard
Much as I love to rag on Tesla.
indigo coral
I've heard of far fewer problems with eTron than iPace
dense shard
I'd probably get a larger battery. Likely skip the performance model.
indigo coral
I'd get the performance personally, cause the way I see it is that if I'm gonna spend 80% of the money, I'd just save up longer and go all the way
also i wanna go fast
lol
dense shard
Standard for me since any BEV will be a second or third car in my garage.
I want a commuter car.
dense shard
I mean this is future plans.
indigo coral
I want to get a Stinger GT2 next... then I'll consider a Tesla after that
dense shard
Electrics will happen sooner than later. Having a gas car for the long trips, and an electric for shorter journeys sounds perfect.
Meaning I'd have to teach any potential SO to drive stick... or give up my Corolla. orz
indigo coral
From what I understand the zf 8spd in the Stinger GT is a decent trans
aside from some harsh downshifts that people say was resolved by a free firmware update
dense shard
I've heard the ZF is a gem.
Apart from programming quirks, reviewers have fallen in love with it.
indigo coral
and programming quirks can be resolved xD
dense shard
So either car makers have paid good money specifically for the transmission, or ZF built one good enough to talk about.
I'm leaning towards the second tbh.
indigo coral
its honestly fine tbh that its not a dct
dense shard
lol too true
dense shard
It isn't an advantage at all, and is likely to be a disadvantage.
As Ford is finding out.
indigo coral
yeah
and from what I hear the engine is pretty stout too in terms of reliability
I've heard overall very good things about Stinger reliability - aside from some people had rotor warping issues
dense shard
The Stinger?
indigo coral
yeah
dense shard
oh, I imagine the engine is fine.
dense shard
We'll see long term, but modern engines should be all good.
dense shard
Usually bad engines stand out more.
indigo coral
ye
dense shard
ahem VW?
These rumors about carbon build up flying a bit too thick here to be ignored.
dense shard
It's a feature.
yeeeeep
Also yes, the connectors are meant to break after 5 years.
vital glen
@indigo coral 400hp that's nothing out of a 4cyl
dense shard
If you're touching em, you're thinking about replacing them... yes yes.
I know Mercedes has 460 out of a 4cyl?
dense shard
It's a Mercedes. You're expected to lease.
vital glen
Detroit Series 50 was making 350hp and 1000lb/ft
dense shard
And is 8.5 liters.
vital glen
Sshhhhhhhhhh
dense shard
why?
indigo coral
But anyways. My point was that its not an extreme amount of power from a tiny displacement engine.. at least by modern standards
dense shard
It's not Ford is here.
indigo coral
so hopefully its not super stressed
dense shard
No one is gonna get butthurt that someone got to 1000 torques before they did.
No wait... RAM did it first with their truck?
dense shard
So not yet.
vital glen
2020 Powerstroke apparently will
vital glen
I can't believe that fiat is still buying Cummins motors for the ram
I would have thought they would fuck it up like the eco diesel
dense shard
Apparently the new EcoDiesel is good again.
Also someone probably told management that Americans love cummins.
vital glen
Every market loves Cummins
fathom socket
well it's good for doing work lol
vital glen
Why wouldn't it?
indigo coral
i figured a super normal car like that wouldn't require premium
dense shard
It is turbocharged, and I wouldn't call the performance variant "super normal"
vital glen
It's a turbocharged engine running 10:1 compression, looking to run at moderate performance while trying to have some economy and fit with emissions @indigo coral
indigo coral
fair enough i guess
vital glen
It's going to use 93
indigo coral
our explorer/taurus don't require it afaik so I guess i just extended that train of thought
eager kite
@dense shard The Ioniq Electric is ~250wh/mi. Tesla Model 3 is rated at 240wh/mi. Both of these are dependent on speed though, so in real life the usage changes way more if you're going faster or slower. For example, a Model 3 at 75mph is using over 300wh/mi, and at 60 it's using under 220wh/mi The Ioniq only has a range of 100-170 miles, which can't compare to the Model 3's 240-310 miles.
dense shard
I'm just using the official figures here.
dense shard
The Ioniq's a more efficient car using the MPGe rating.
indigo coral
but
eager kite
dense shard
I'm not arguing range.
indigo coral
its far slower and smaller and less cool
eager kite
Wikipedia says it's rated at 25kwh/100 miles
dense shard
It's not a very good car.
eager kite
that works out to 250wh/mi
indigo coral
its very meh
eager kite
I'm just saying the efficiencies are pretty similar
dense shard
The Ioniq is a tiny bit more efficient than the Model 3.
It's literally like... a 2% difference.
The Model S is vastly worse, and I imagine the Model X more so.
eager kite
oh yea, the S and X are way larger vehicles
indigo coral
partly because of outdated batteries, outdated motors, and just bigger footprint
imo they badly need a refresh
dense shard
Nah, the batteries are updated as the years go by.
indigo coral
well theyre still using the 18650 cells
dense shard
Part of their constant update/refresh drive.
indigo coral
instead of the newer 2170s
dense shard
Tesla claims they're updating the batteries as time goes by. Including composition. Take what they say as you will.
indigo coral
fair enough
eager kite
I'm just saying that the efficiencies are pretty good for these small cars
dense shard
But they badly need a platform update.
indigo coral
mhm
dense shard
Oh sure, the efficiencies are excellent.
indigo coral
though isnt the X more efficient than the Etron or iPace?
eager kite
I think Tesla has said they might make a mini car sometime in the future
Yea the X is more efficient than iPace
Etron I think is more efficient
not sure tho
dense shard
Model X is better than the E-Tron for efficiency.
Model X: 85 MPGe combined
E-Tron: 74 MPGe combined
I'd say that's a sizable gap.
stoic ledge
MPGe is like the most confusing measurement ever
fathom socket
i dont care so much about the MPGe how far can i get to a charge?
i think electric cars should be measured in miles per charge
not MPGe
eager kite
what do you mean by miles per charge? @fathom socket
eager kite
yea I don't use MPGe, I go with wh/mi cause it's actually useful when talking about an ev
civic spoke
@stoic ledge Trucks with trailers are actually really nimble because of the super tight turning radius that they have.
stoic ledge
@MK Trucks with trailers are actually really nimble because of the super tight turning radius that they have.
They still got stuck xD
civic spoke
Can't get around the limits of physical space.
vital glen
I mean..... You can.... Just blow it up
fathom socket
civic girder
viral matrix
I should remove couple mufflers
civic girder
Mine might have an exhaust leake
But im also thinking about hitting the cat, because we don't need the environment right?
dense shard
Keep in mind messing with emission controls in the US is a nono
carmine summit
emissions testing isn't a thing here in Canada anymore
I didn't decat my car when I was patching up the exhaust, but I'm pretty sure it would spit flames if I did
viral matrix
I'd have to get new exhaust manifolds if I wanted to decat mine 😛
There's 3 cats in this exhaust system
crimson wraith
Saw this yesterday, the color and everything... i like it.
heady ridge
So i can scare this channel with pure luck
ever been told by a mechanic to go buy lottery tickets because both oil filter and sump plug are basicly ticking time bombs?
because apparently for a while now my mums 4wd has been driving around with both being so loose you could hand spin them
viral matrix
Never heard of an oil filter coming loose
Usually the rubber seal sticks so badly that you can't get it open 😂
jagged coyote
inb4 the oil was so thick it couldn't even leak
heady ridge
levels where normal and the oil was fine but in need of replacment
viral matrix
How often do y'all change your oil and filter?
heady ridge
this was the first time since we got it that it has been changed
viral matrix
oh okay
jagged coyote
on my previous car it said every 20k km, but at 10k the thing just resets, on this one it's 30k iirc
viral matrix
I change mine every 10k km (6.2k miles) on the car
5k km (3.1k miles) on the bike
heady ridge
lets just say i made a remark of 'we should just get a lighter and burn it as is'
jagged coyote
just friday my car did something really strange, I go to start it, starts just fine, and the battery light stays on with an alert saying the battery has failed...
stoic ledge
I get the oil changed once a year (annual service)
jagged coyote
i've checked the battery is from 2017
viral matrix
@jagged coyote The battery light means that it isn't charging
jagged coyote
yeah it was at the startup, but when the engine was on, no more light, went home, stopped it, started it again, no light
viral matrix
Sounds like instrument cluster issue to me
jagged coyote
idk, i guess i'll just wait and see
viral matrix
You can check if it's charging properly
stoic ledge
Does it have automatic start/stop?
jagged coyote
well i do press a button but no start/stop at lights
stoic ledge
No 1 emote == mute, so I don't use it stuck_out_tongue
Uhm, sometimes cars give a warning like that if start/stop is unavailable
jagged coyote
yeah no that was clearly a battery warning
dense shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68j01KiLG8 He actually did it.
Jankiest build around.
jagged coyote
that guy's a madman
viral matrix
They are changed at some point though
I bet you don't drive a lot, so they don't really need to be changed
viral matrix
original spare part*
viral matrix
Definitely isn't original
tight cypress
neither the offical specs of it
viral matrix
No one drives 200tkm on the same oils and filter
About 60 to 80tkm on same oils, and your engine is toast
tight cypress
how about oil change
i found my car from an junkyard
it ran with 3pistons
the spark plug was bad
lol
viral matrix
That's not that big of an issue
viral matrix
The engine on those old renaults isn't too bad, the trans is what you should be concerned about
Usually they break in the way that the fifth gear won't stay on
stoic ledge
My brothers old Clio II sometimes just killed all interior lights, radio etc... And then went back on 5 seconds later
Happend 3 times in 2 years, and that was the only electrical issue, but still 😛
Quite fun car tho, 1.6 16v on 950kg puggers
vital glen
@stoic ledge loser
get 45
dense shard
I'm happy to be in something heavier.
dense shard
As nice as the 790kg was in the Suzuki... it was sloooowwwww.
Corolla weighs in at 1390kg.
tight cypress
cars weight explains the 110hp only
dense shard
The cervo was fighting physics with only 60.
stoic ledge
Actually it's perfectly explainable, but sure (:
eager kite
indigo coral
Wtf lol
dense shard
Apparently it's a pretty radical departure from what they currently have.
But I don't think it's solid state.
New shape though, so Tesla would have to reengineer their battery packs entirely... then again higher capacity batteries that can hold a charge longer are superb, so hopefully good developments soon.
Electrek’s Take
This is it, people.For those doubting Elon when he said that Tesla would have a million-mile battery next year, it is starting to become a lot more likely now.
Elon Musk says many things will happen next year.
And every year Electrek takes his word for it as absolute... then glosses over any missed deadlines like a teacher a month before retirement.
indigo coral
lol
dense shard
It's kind of annoying that Electrek has become Telsa's unofficial PR wing blaming any kind of negative press on short sellers.
dense shard
Which is fine... till you realize that Fed Lambert owns Tesla stock and benefits from it going up.
indigo coral
and anyone who criticizes Tesla is a "short"
dense shard
I think it's a bit dishonest to own stock, not mention it, and then go on to write news talking about stock values. I think most journalists either mention it or flat out don't participate.
indigo coral
its one thing to accuse seeking alpha writers of being a short or whatever, but for normal people that are like "yeah i'm not a fan of tesla" it gets extremely frustrating when theyre like "oh well you must be a troll or short seller"
yeah most put a big disclaimer at the end
usually not even a little one, like a normal size text
dense shard
I think it would make parsing news about car companies vastly easier.
"oh this person owns stock in a company he's writing about... better double check him/her."
indigo coral
not necessarily discount whatever they have to say bnut take it with a grain of salt
dense shard
exactly
dense shard
Each time I look at the stock market, I shy away.
Maybe during the next big crash I'll buy up some budget stocks I know will go up.
AMD would have made me rich(er)
indigo coral
I've made some good money on a few investments, and am still holding a few. I don't have TSLA.
I have AMD 🙂
dense shard
Well... okay... less poor. lol
indigo coral
Bought it at 14 bucks
not the 1.67 that people had, but I have over 100% gains
I try to be objective still, when recommending builds for people and whatnot. Usually ends up as Ryzen because its downright the better deal
dense shard
Especially now. Like damn I didn't expect them to sweep.
Compete, sure.
That being said I give up on putting extra extra effort into washing my car.
Results were had, but I'm too lazy, and I think 2 bucket cleans will suffice.
indigo coral
yeah Ryzen is kicking ass
I'm still rocking a 1700X. Kinda old but it does plenty well for me
🙂
eager kite
The test cells they were using for the research were pouch batteries, but that doesn't mean the optimized electrolyte makeup can't be applies to Tesla's cylindrical 2170 cells
And the video I posted earlier was suggesting that the new electrolyte makeup could be a solid-state one instead of a fluid one, as neither the research paper nor the patent actually detail what state the electrolyte is.
vapid raptor
There was a car event Saturday afternoon at the Del Mar Fairgrounds here in San Diego County, and this is but one of the many pictures I took of the event.
night current
That wide body r32 is beautiful
dense shard
I bet that yellow BMW in the back is a Euro spec M3.
stoic ledge
Oof that AC Schnitzer ACS3 CLS is nice
stoic ledge
Nooooo not the Nissan Puke
tropic silo
Nissan 
wheat hatch
Meanwhile, I'm wondering what the fack happened to that corvette
stoic ledge
Yes, the Vette is also very bad
jagged coyote
Ricer, that's what happend
sterile holly
the only problem i see with the vette is that it's like 1/2 inch off the ground
night current
The wide body s2000 and the gtr r32 are the only good cars there
indigo coral
not even the 300SL?
stoic ledge
The mods on the MB are just wrong af
night current
I mean, the 300sl is neat, but not anything super special.
wheat hatch
I knew I recognized that SL
Quite a neat build (as identical to a real one as it gets)
Smile emoji
stoic ledge
Well there was something that triggered me which confirmed it wasn't the real deal, but I can't really put my finger on it
Also, why bother building a replica correct to the details and then screw it up by modding it? stuck_out_tongue
carmine summit
Because he wanted a modified gullwing, better to modify a replica than to cut up an original
stoic ledge
True
rotund matrix
we still in here lads?
stoic ledge
No, emotes get you banned pogey
viral matrix
I hope not
stoic ledge
We actually got muted for it stuck_out_tongue
vapid raptor
Hehehe, my favorite car wasn't even part of the show.
stoic ledge
puggers nearly the same rims my brother has on his E91
Ah not the exact same apparently, he has the 8x2 spoke design instead of the 7x2 spoke design
vapid raptor
I like my VMR V710 wheels which I got back in December, but I'm already jonesing for their new V802's.
stoic ledge
Lol those look exactly like the ones on his BMW, only they actually are from BMW
Lemme get a pic, sec
(different color tho)
vapid raptor
I was looking at the various bmw wheels available but I didn't see any of the ones that fit my 2-Series that I actually liked.
stoic ledge
Ah yes, could be that these E90/91/92 wheels don't fit on the 2er
Don't know the exact dimensions of them
vapid raptor
Fitment for the 2er is funky. These are the wheels that came with the car, which I still have -
stoic ledge
Those aren't, but don't go to well with your paint color imho
vapid raptor
I wanted to get mine painted in the old BMW color Techno Violet, but the quote was more than I was willing to spend, so I got the Gloss Wicked purple vinyl wrap instead.
stoic ledge
Painting a car in such a color would probably have a massive impact on it's value (most people don't want such color), so wrapping is a nice solution
And the paint underneath stays in pristine condition smile
rotund matrix
I've no idea honestly; how much does a wrap job actually cost?
vapid raptor
Well, I'm planning on keeping the car so resale value isn't as big of a deal to me. But yes, I do understand what you mean
rotund matrix
cause the actual paint quality on my car is meh at best but if I could wrap it in any color I like for sub-$1000 that might be a fact
stoic ledge
I think it's about 2k?
vapid raptor
It really depends on the type of vehicle, the materials you use, etc..
vapid raptor
Mine was more than that
rotund matrix
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stoic ledge
Well if you aren't going to sell it, then repainting wouldn't be such an issue xD
A good, proper paint job is like 6k or something?
vapid raptor
$11k minimum
stoic ledge
puggers
rotund matrix
tbh I'll prolly keep it for another 3-4 years till I can buy my own new-ish car, then pass this one down to my younger brother for his first car if it's not fucked™ by then
rotund matrix
faint nacelle
Fred
vapid raptor
Wrap was way less than $11k
rotund matrix
I mean just did a 8hr round-trip from here to dallas and back over the weekend with 0 issues
so I'd say the car is doin pretty well
stoic ledge
I was just joking wink
stoic ledge
We don't have that car here (interior looks like a 1:1 copy of the first gen Qashqai) but it's probably fine... I'm just not a fan of the CVT stuck_out_tongue
stoic ledge
^^^^^^ and yeah a 11k wrap would be a big yikes xD
rotund matrix
but hey it works as a college kid's car for sure
stoic ledge
^^ manual ftw (:
rotund matrix
lots of space and decent mpg
vapid raptor
Mine is going on five years old (2015 2-Series) and still only has 26,000 miles
rotund matrix
lol mine's a 2012, whoever had it before me put 143k miles on it in 7-ish years
stoic ledge
Mine is about to be 8 years old (in December), it has rougly 80k miles on it
So about 10k a year, that's also what I've been driving
vapid raptor
I was hoping that the paint job would cost in the $6-7k range, but when they said it starts at $11k... Um nope
stoic ledge
Yeah I can relate xD
I also assumed it was about 6-7k like I said earlier stuck_out_tongue
vapid raptor
But, $4k for the wrap and ceramic coating, I'm OK with
stoic ledge
What paint color is underneath it?
vapid raptor
Alpine White
stoic ledge
Noice
vapid raptor
The only thing I don't like is when opening the hood(bonnet) the engine compartment is still Alpine White