cars

[indigo coral]

must be like a call the dealer to order kind of thing

[stoic ledge]

Is there a G65 of the new G-class yet?

Or just the G63

[indigo coral]

i thought there was, could bew rong

[stoic ledge]

G63 is 259k USD btw ^^

[indigo coral]

so a g63 is almost the same as a hellcat jeep

nice logic

[stoic ledge]

Yes

🙃

Found a Dutch 2017 G65 which once costed 465k USD

🙃

[indigo coral]

inb4 a model 3 is like 150k usd because of "carbon emissions"

[stoic ledge]

No, they are cheap

"cheap"

[indigo coral]

how cheap

[stoic ledge]

53k USD for a Standard Range Plus

[indigo coral]

Lol.

Thats close to getting you a Performance here

[stoic ledge]

Jaja but
a) US import fees
b) Higher VAT (21%)

But still, quite cheap

But nobody buys them: all company cars

[indigo coral]

why dont people buy them?

[stoic ledge]

> buying cars

50% of "sold" cars are company cars

And private owners who can afford a new car only buy small cars

[indigo coral]

55k USD for a Model 3 Performance sans Full self Driving

though fsd is more worth it now than it used to be

[stoic ledge]

Standard Range Plus Model 3 is only ± $100/month as a company car

Where my bosses new company car Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost is ± $350/month as a company car

The Netherlands 🎊

[tropic silo]

It sucks!

[stoic ledge]

Best selling cars last month:
1: ||https://media.autoweek.nl/m/16uyug4b0s1e_800.jpg||
2: ||https://media.autoweek.nl/m/41xyn6ibtv7v_800.jpg||
3: ||https://media.autoweek.nl/m/867yv9bbzz20_800.jpg||

And even those are mostly companies cars 🙃

[indigo coral]

Oof

[civic spoke]

The Polo 👌

[stoic ledge]

Lol I was just watching @magic arrow 's RX review... And discovered a RX350 in 🇺🇸 is actually cheaper 6000 USD cheaper than a Lexus UX over here Not the NX, but the even smaller UX 😂

Tbh I don't understand why people choose the Polo over the Seat Ibiza... It's riding on the same platform, equally roomy, better looking and cheaper

[indigo coral]

the rx is hella expensive over here but i guess itsnothing compared to the NL

[stoic ledge]

Base RX350 is $44k, I'd consider that very cheap xD

[indigo coral]

yeah but nobody gets base models

[civic spoke]

What other smaller mid-tier cars are there? Polo fits the bill.

[indigo coral]

most dealers don't even allow you to buy them

have to get midrange

so usually 55k+

[stoic ledge]

@civic spoke the exact same car in a different shape: the Ibiza xD

I'll see what I can find for $55k USD falcon... Won't be pretty xD

Not compared to a "mid-range" RX (those car in mid-range are quite luxurious xD)

For the same as a base RX350, you can get a Toyota Rav4 Dynamic with a 2.0 FWD manual

• Dynamic is a mid-range trim

$55k USD doesn't even buy you a fully loaded Rav4

[indigo coral]

for 55k you can also get a base performance Model 3 😛

over here that is

Rav4 isnt a bad car though

[stoic ledge]

^ as stated earlier: it's a Standard Range Plus over here xD

A loaded Rav4 is $61k USD

[civic spoke]

Swedish prices for the Model 3.

[stoic ledge]

It's not bad, but not $61k USD bad xD

[stoic ledge]

55k USD for the Standard Range +

[indigo coral]

that's not as bad as netherlands lul

[stoic ledge]

It's about the same, no?

[indigo coral]

well if its 55k for SR+, how much is performance in NL?

[stoic ledge]

55.174,51 United States Dollar

53.199,15 United States Dollar```
Standard Range + is even less expensive

(1st is Sweden, 2nd is NL, both SR+)

Performance:
SWEDEN

72.628,62 United States Dollar

THE NETHERLANDS

63.900 Euro equals

71.117,70 United States Dollar

So 🇳🇱 is cheaper than 🇸🇪 when it comes to Model 3s

[civic spoke]

I don't know how it is with incentives between the countries.

[stoic ledge]

10% import tax + 21% tax in 🇳🇱

I don't know how it is in 🇸🇪

Maybe the difference is within the destination charges? We have the largest EU ports (Rotterdam), probably the Swedish Tesla's arrive there as well

[civic spoke]

I forgot how stupid pricey the Autopilot option is.

[indigo coral]

yeah its expensive

[stoic ledge]

Only €6400 🙃

7122 USD

[indigo coral]

if i bought a tesla id get autopilot cause its so damn cool

but its expensive as heck

[stoic ledge]

Almost all M3's here don't have Autopilot

[indigo coral]

most here do

[stoic ledge]

They are nearly all base SR+'s in black with the ugly stock rims

[indigo coral]

the stock rims arent ugly wym

the aero wheels are cool

[stoic ledge]

Lol hell no

They are ugly af

[indigo coral]

no theyre cool

and theyve got alloys underneath

[stoic ledge]

I srsly hate them

[indigo coral]

if you don't want the aero caps

huh i like them

[stoic ledge]

The look awfull

[indigo coral]

do you hate the sport wheels?

the 19/20s?

[stoic ledge]

https://media.autoweek.nl/m/6dcyuqsbx2ox_800.jpg

Those

[indigo coral]

i kow

know*

[stoic ledge]

They are hideous

[indigo coral]

I actually like em

[stoic ledge]

Lol xD

[civic spoke]

You can just remove the aero caps.

[indigo coral]

^

[indigo coral]

those are the same wheels

[stoic ledge]

Well if they want to use the tax advantage, they should also drive around with those hideous wheels

🙃

[indigo coral]

wym

you have to pay to take them off? LOL

[civic spoke]

Remember the Model S aero wheels?

[stoic ledge]

Without Aero covers they look like aftermarket rims xD

[indigo coral]

now those were bad

the model s aero rims

[stoic ledge]

No they don't have to pay extra to take them off xD

Model S Aero

[indigo coral]

those weren't great

[stoic ledge]

Ah those

[indigo coral]

ja

[stoic ledge]

I member now

Wish I didn't

Yikes those are bad

[indigo coral]

I sat in the etron on friday

its nice but the steering wheel is too big

[stoic ledge]

Haven't been in one, have been in an A6 but dislike the lower screen

[indigo coral]

that was what bugged me, the wheel should be just a little bit smaller

imo

[stoic ledge]

Could be, idk

[indigo coral]

was impressed with backseat room and headroom

pretty good for a smaller suv

[stoic ledge]

"small"
Lolz

[indigo coral]

it is small

etron^

[stoic ledge]

4.901mm

It's huge xD

[indigo coral]

its really not big

[stoic ledge]

^ don't like the 4 spoke Design of the steering wheel too

[indigo coral]

its a full 5 inches shorter than our explorer

[stoic ledge]

It's big for here (:

[indigo coral]

and our explorer is a midsize suv

according to govt at least

[stoic ledge]

We're getting the explorer here soon too

Because it's getting a hybrid

[indigo coral]

fullsize is like Expedition Max, Escalade ESV, suburban etc

will you have the ST?

[stoic ledge]

Or PHEV, idk

[indigo coral]

used to be sport now its ST

[stoic ledge]

Lol no, only the PHEV/hybrid/whatever

[indigo coral]

Explorer ST will be 400hp and rear wheel biased awd

and its got the performance exhaust and stuff so it actually sounds good

[stoic ledge]

Hybrid has 450hp combined

[indigo coral]

no?

318 combined

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

its the cop one thats got 450

interceptor hybrid

[stoic ledge]

Een geavanceerde oplaadbare hybride aandrijflijn werkt samen met een 3.0-liter, V6 EcoBoost-motor met turbocompressor voor 450 pk systeemvermogen en uitstekende efficiëntie. 
Translated: An advanced rechargeable drivetrain works together with a 3.0 V6 EcoBoost engine for a combined rating of 450hp and excellent efficiency

[indigo coral]

wtf?

[stoic ledge]

That's literally on our Ford website

https://www.ford.nl/verwachte-modellen/explorer

(You can use Google Translate)

Will probably still be expensive af

[indigo coral]

i kinda think the website is incorrect unless you're getting the Interceptor for nornal people to buy

their website says 318 as well

[vital glen]

it makes 318 up high

[stoic ledge]

If my calculations are right: $72k USD in 🇳🇱 , which actually is quite good

maybe we are getting the interceptor drivetrain 😈

Ah you guys get the 3.3L hybrid

We get the 3.0 EcoBoost hybrid

[indigo coral]

oh nice

Ford is going to shit over here

Partnering with VW, which will lead to vw purchasing ford

[stoic ledge]

VW and Ford have co-operated before

[vital glen]

ford will be under the monkey gassers?

[indigo coral]

tney havent announced buyout plans yet but i foresee it happening

fords valuation is dropping while vws is growing and vw is obviously looking to expand

[stoic ledge]

They are going to share their electric platform iirc

[vital glen]

how much stake does monkey gassers have in ford?

[indigo coral]

idk

isnt renault nissan trying to buy fiat chrysler as well?

[stoic ledge]

Not that I'm aware of

[vital glen]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/renault-reportedly-wants-to-merge-with-nissan-and-buy-fiat-chrysler.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/30/fiat-chryslers-40-billion-merger-with-renault-is-no-done-deal.html

[indigo coral]

[vital glen]

so no

[indigo coral]

ok good

[vital glen]

nothing is there right now

[indigo coral]

american automakers are already in deep trouble

[vital glen]

Chrysler is italiania now

Gm is chinese

and uhh.... Ford is Ford

[indigo coral]

the only one thats really growing at all is tesla, and theyre running out of steam

rapidly

[stoic ledge]

PSA wants to bring Peugeots to the USA in 2025 or something xD

[vital glen]

Ewwww

Who wants Peugeot back

[stoic ledge]

They are making good looking cars now

[indigo coral]

yeah ones that fall apart in a week

[stoic ledge]

https://autovandaag.nl/Autovandaag/assets/media/xlarge/Peugeot-508-vaart-anre-koers-5b35278393452.jpg

Look at this beauty ❤️

[indigo coral]

that's... interesting

[vital glen]

That's generic

Sedan

[stoic ledge]

https://images-e.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/w_700,f_auto,ar_3:2,q_auto:low,c_fill/if_h_lte_200,c_mfit,h_201/https://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.4943740.1560008768!/image/image.jpg

[indigo coral]

it looks like the hood goes too far forward

[vital glen]

Unless you do sports cars,

[indigo coral]

tail lights are too small at the back

[vital glen]

Everything ends up looking the same because saftey standards

[indigo coral]

too skinny

[vital glen]

and mass production

[stoic ledge]

Lol are you guys srsly stating the 508 looks bland?

[indigo coral]

yes

[vital glen]

Yes

[stoic ledge]

W T F

[indigo coral]

I'd take the stinger 100 times over

😄

[tropic silo]

508?

[indigo coral]

it did a far better job of looking less generic

[tropic silo]

it looks nice tbh

[stoic ledge]

Stinger is twice the price 😉

[indigo coral]

and twice the car

easily

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge and functions

[stoic ledge]

508 is really nice tho 😛

[tropic silo]

A 508 with a 3.0L V6

[indigo coral]

Stinger GTS

[vital glen]

I don't communism, I only understand the words of v8

[stoic ledge]

508 only comes with 4-cyl 😅

[indigo coral]

what specs

[stoic ledge]

1.6 PureTech 225hp is the fastest version you can get

[indigo coral]

fat rip

[stoic ledge]

Yes, a 1.6

Peugeot has a 1.6 PureTech with 270hp

[indigo coral]

and the Stinger has a twin turbo v6 with 365hp 😄

[stoic ledge]

But only in the 308 GTi

Jaja

[indigo coral]

The gts also has drift mode 😛

and can be RWD iirc

like its an option

[stoic ledge]

https://media.autoweek.nl/m/ea6yp9sbbjiy_800.jpg
Peugeot 3008, most are sold with a 1.2 PureTech 130hp

Yes, a 1.2T

508 is FWD

(all Peugeots are)

[vital glen]

economy cars @stoic ledge

[indigo coral]

^

[crimson wraith]

lets face it. Families are going to buy the Peugeots. they arent as attractive as some other brands.

[vital glen]

not here in the us

[stoic ledge]

^ same priced her well speced as a Lexus RX in the US

To not that economy

[indigo coral]

peugeots are disjointed in styling as well, imo. that brown one up there is all complex in the front then the design just goes completely bland half way back

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge the typical american buyer is brand loyal

[indigo coral]

^

If theres a Lexus sport sedan that's competent when I eventually upgrade, I'll buy it over the Stinger. though I don't see that happening

IS and GS are kinda dead atm

[stoic ledge]

There won't be a new GS

[indigo coral]

thats cause its dead as a doornail

doesn't sell

the IS is being refreshed

I'm excited for the LCF

[stoic ledge]

The GS was mostly focused on the EU market iirc, where the ES was focused on the US market. Now Europe has the ES as well, GS will be discontinued

[indigo coral]

Would be cool to get an IS, but it;d need to be competitive with the Stinger

[stoic ledge]

A new IS will come

[indigo coral]

Do yall get the LC?

it's absolutely stunning

[stoic ledge]

Yes

Only have seen a handful

[indigo coral]

I see them once and a while here, I've seen a yellow one, a few Red, a blue and a white

gotta get a bunch of Lexus cars and have them all custom painted in desert bronze metallilc

just kidding. but it would be funny.

[stoic ledge]

Maybe because there are only 41 LCs registered in 🇳🇱

So quite rare xD

[indigo coral]

my rx is desert bronze metallic

so it;d be funny

[stoic ledge]

I know

But is will look odd on a modern car

[indigo coral]

I know

[stoic ledge]

Best selling Lexus here is.... 🥁 ... the CT

xD

[indigo coral]

I like the ct

It's a cute little hatchback with a super nice interior

[stoic ledge]

Too bad they are still quite expensive used

2013 60k miles is still €17k (19k USD)

[indigo coral]

Yeah they're pricey here too

[stoic ledge]

Underneath it's just a Prius 3 xD

[indigo coral]

I know but the Prius is ugly, the CT is not

[stoic ledge]

True, I quite like the CT looks

[tight cypress]

17k

car

nono

[crimson wraith]

I could literally walk 2 km right now and steal one. I know where it is. tempting.

[tight cypress]

i wouldnt

is an bmw

[stoic ledge]

I would

Is a BMW

[crimson wraith]

and a CSL at that.

[magic arrow]

@stoic ledge thats so interesting

[tight cypress]

fight me lmfao

[stoic ledge]

fights Savage

[crimson wraith]

Thats a nice ride Savage but I cant get over it and think its a Renault. let me search for a Pic. i mean. its probably not but still.

[stoic ledge]

You're thinking of a Renault 21 probably

[tight cypress]

yeah

[stoic ledge]

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/models/RENAULT_21-Sedan-1989_main.jpg

[tight cypress]

err

rr

er

[crimson wraith]

yes probably! but well. it was different. with the more closed up front and the Renault emblem off center to the side. my brain is trying so hard to grab the name.

[tight cypress]

renault 20?

[crimson wraith]

nah. cant remember it.

[stoic ledge]

20 is waay older, like seventies

[ebon field]

isn't that a skyline

rs turbo badging on side

[stoic ledge]

It's an R31, yes

[wheat hatch]

[tropic silo]

🚙

[stoic ledge]

[tropic silo]

[fossil imp]

[indigo coral]

[rotund matrix]

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

[fossil imp]

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

[fossil imp]

so many suckers with nitro

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

Yikes I can't post gifs

Anyway, cars

[indigo coral]

[stoic ledge]

:opel:

[tropic silo]

:audi:

[tight cypress]

driving an opel is like gambling

[stoic ledge]

Looks like I'm awesome at gambling

[vital glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMxRQAOApkg @stoic ledge

It's mustang season at your local Ford dealer

[stoic ledge]

12 Mustangs sold in the entire country this year... Yeah that won't be a problem 😛

[rotund matrix]

kek

classic mustang jokes

[wheat hatch]

[fathom socket]

An angry bull has been spotted

2008 or 6 hmm

[indigo coral]

I've never loved the Gallardo much

to be honest

[stoic ledge]

I've never loved the R8 much

It's an 2006/2007 btw, 2008 has a different front

[wheat hatch]

I never liked the old head- and taillights
The refreshed Gallardo however, looks great in my opinion

A sketch my friend did, guess the car 😄

[stoic ledge]

Fiat Multipla

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

It's a Mitsubishi Supra WRX

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

Nissan S2000

[stoic ledge]

Are you sure? I think it's a VW Corolla Hellcat

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

Ferarri Murcielago 16.4 AMG

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

Also, update on the Eclipse 😛

For his first time painting a car, he's doing pretty well imo 😄

LOL

Someone has to drive the car MK 😆

[stoic ledge]

I thought you said it was himself next to the car...

He == she? 😛

[wheat hatch]

LOL

[stoic ledge]

https://media.tenor.com/images/94219d9f4fbe8c27462d5f774f3cc5c6/tenor.gif

[wheat hatch]

It's definitely not him next to the car

[stoic ledge]

[wheat hatch]

And if I said that, it was a mistake on my part

[stoic ledge]

Drawing is quite nice tho

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fastandfurious/images/5/57/1995_Mitsubishi_Eclipse.png/revision/latest?cb=20160112004152
Now this Eclipse

[wheat hatch]

I think I have never encountered a car that has so many rice:y bodykits

It's insane how many there are

😅

[stoic ledge]

I've seen a couple

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

I've once spotted an Astra G with an Astra J front on it

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/33199774_2103372106613387_8004925050891272192_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnXMnYcOQToxhCshZUdqMs_rrrEa43Boe2S1XCr2HvXD5mWjoUvKYZo9umd7avtjQY&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&tp=1&oh=5c3b89415a6f18a091cb34cb02f84f10&oe=5DD83A7A

Apparently an award winning car

[wheat hatch]

[stoic ledge]

I went to the city once, and there was a large tuning meet in the city center.... Many ricer cars there xD

But I only remember the 1999 Astra with a Astra J front xD

[wheat hatch]

Back when rice was the thing to do

[stoic ledge]

Yeah they're almost extinct now

[wheat hatch]

And I think that's for the better

😅

[stoic ledge]

^ true that

[wheat hatch]

[fathom socket]

how to mess up the car xd

[rotund matrix]

F

that poor car

[stoic ledge]

Classic

It's that or 5000rpm with the clutch slipping xD

I actually think this is less harmful xD

[rotund matrix]

i still need to learn how to drive stick

[stoic ledge]

Ha

> not learning from the beginning to drive a stick

[rotund matrix]

didn't have a choice, sadly

no one in my family drives stick and the car we found for me was an auto

I'll buy a stick one day :P

[stoic ledge]

If you pass your exam in an auto around here, you can legally only drive an auto 🙃

[rotund matrix]

really? wow

ours have no such restrictions afaik

[fathom socket]

that is the wrong ass car to learn stick shift in

that clutch is toasted

[viral matrix]

Got to park next to this masterpiece😍

[rotund matrix]

what cars are generally the "most forgiving" in terms of learning to drive stick?

also NICE lmaooo

shit what are those things called again

[wheat hatch]

fiat something?

or uh...

[stoic ledge]

MULTIPLA ❤

[wheat hatch]

panda?

oh

[viral matrix]

Multipla

[rotund matrix]

THATS IT yes the multipla

i was thinking fiat as well lmao

[crimson wraith]

well. it is a Fiat Multipla.

[stoic ledge]

That 406 Break to the right of it is actually also a really nice car, you never see those anymore

[rotund matrix]

yours is the ford five hundred or whatever those are called?

[stoic ledge]

Mondeo

[rotund matrix]

ah the old Fusion

yeah I recognize it now

[stoic ledge]

Basically

[rotund matrix]

looks clean

[viral matrix]

European fusion

Mk3 v6

[stoic ledge]

This gen never went on sale in the USA iirc

[viral matrix]

Yup

[rotund matrix]

kinda like this

that's a 05 Focus*

[stoic ledge]

Different car tho

[rotund matrix]

ye

[stoic ledge]

Also isn't that a Focus Sedan?

[viral matrix]

It is

Mk1

[rotund matrix]

ye

[stoic ledge]

Only the current Fusion/Mondeo are the same

[rotund matrix]

yeah thats a focus the fusion is the one with the big bars

this is an 05 fusion

[stoic ledge]

1st Gen Mondeo is like the Ford Contour

Hehe we also had a Fusion, let me get some pics

https://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1cyisfblrji_800.jpg

[rotund matrix]

interesting

[viral matrix]

Oof

We had that too

[rotund matrix]

i don't really recognize that model, assuming we don't have those here in the states

dunno that I've ever seen it

[stoic ledge]

It was basically a mini SUV based on the Fiesta

[rotund matrix]

ah okay

makes sense

[stoic ledge]

mini MPV*

Well cross-over

Something in between xD

[rotund matrix]

yeye

these are all i think of when i see fiesta

little hatchback things

[stoic ledge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/2005_Ford_Fiesta_(WP)_Ghia_5-door_hatchback_(2015-07-24)_01.jpg/1280px-2005_Ford_Fiesta_(WP)_Ghia_5-door_hatchback_(2015-07-24)_01.jpg

[rotund matrix]

yep

those things

[stoic ledge]

It's based on the Fiesta 1 gen earlier

[rotund matrix]

looks like it yeah

[stoic ledge]

Don't think you guys got that one

[rotund matrix]

ngl it kinda looks like a fiesta and like a honda element had a kid and its that awkward suv thing

[stoic ledge]

Only the 6th gen

Lol yes xD

[rotund matrix]

I'm glad those cube cars died quickly

[stoic ledge]

Qube? NISSAN QUBE? 👀

[rotund matrix]

scion xb, honda element, ford flex, nissan cube

etc

[stoic ledge]

Ford Flex actually kinda cool if you ask me

[rotund matrix]

its... okay

not my cup of tea lol

[stoic ledge]

I kinda like it xD

[rotund matrix]

wait wtf they still make the flex

ok ngl the 2019 is kinda clean

still don't love it but

[stoic ledge]

F L E X

[rotund matrix]

the range rover evoque is still the best looking suv imo

it's just so fuckin clean

[stoic ledge]

201.8 in (5,130 mm)
Hehehe yeah that's not gonna work

[rotund matrix]

but I'm also a car guy and it's very... car like

[stoic ledge]

The new RR is like the old RR... Looks practically the same 😛

[rotund matrix]

well up to a certain point sure :P

i HATE this body style:

so NEW RRs all look the same sure, and I like em

but the older 2000s ones are UGLY (to me)

[stoic ledge]

https://s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/images.deccanchronicle.com/dc-Cover-ilbrrabfksagbfb0ompgpgran2-20181127180818.Medi.jpeg

Could just of well been a Facelift

[rotund matrix]

see even that "old" is fine

[stoic ledge]

Velar is cool tho

Not that I would buy a SUV xD

[rotund matrix]

2013 RRs started to look better, then 2014 on is nice

mmm that Velar is actually nice

never heard of it but looks clean

guess cause no one around here has one that I've seen, just a few Ranges :P

[stoic ledge]

Ah don't you guys have the Velar?

[rotund matrix]

we do but ig I haven't noticed them around

someone at my work drives a navy blue GTR to work sometimes though and I'm like well damn

[stoic ledge]

👀

[rotund matrix]

someone also has a brand new Roush mustang

[stoic ledge]

> being able to afford a Mustang

(I know they are quite inexpensive over there)

[rotund matrix]

yeah they're not too bad... but a roush supercharged one prolly is

someone also drives a new cherry red porsche

not sure what model, would have to look closer

[fathom socket]

https://tenor.com/view/mustang-gif-11097460

[stoic ledge]

A base 5.0 GT is $120k USD here so... It's still quite cheap if you ask me 🙃

[rotund matrix]

got damn

[fathom socket]

then he's gotta put gas in it

at $100 a gallon

[rotund matrix]

the GT Fastback starts at $36k-ish

[fathom socket]

it's not worth 120k

[fathom socket]

it's hardly worth 30

30k

it's already overpriced

[stoic ledge]

$22k USD for the Roush stage 3 if my source is any good... So it's not that bad xD

(over a normal mustang that is)

[rotund matrix]

for the roush package? sounds about right

[stoic ledge]

Yes

https://www.roushperformance.com/vehicles/mustang-2019-stage3.html

[rotund matrix]

yeah so that guy prolly dropped close to $65k on his mustang

[fathom socket]

[rotund matrix]

imagine spending that much on a mustang when you could get a C8 corvette

[fathom socket]

it's a ford

[stoic ledge]

He can still buy 2 of them for the price of 1 base Mustang here

[rotund matrix]

these are hawtttt

imo the corvettes have just gotten better and better recently

[stoic ledge]

Base GT == 124 099,705 U.S. dollars

[rotund matrix]

GOD DAMN

that's insanely not worth it

you can almost buy a damn Audi RS7 for that much

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge u Europooreans, gotta get yer' pricing in check

[rotund matrix]

😍

[stoic ledge]

We can get a base 2.3 EcoBoost Mustang for 78 698,3856 U.S. dollars

> Audi

[rotund matrix]

indeed, I love the RS7

[vital glen]

I can get one for 23,857.65 Euro

an ecoboost

[stoic ledge]

Lol that's the base price for an EcoBoost Focus... A 1.0 EcoBoost Focus that is

[vital glen]

It isn't mustang season at your local Ford dealer it seems

[stoic ledge]

It never is

[rotund matrix]

other dream car :)

[stoic ledge]

12 sold so far this year...

[rotund matrix]

LMAO really?

12 mustangs total?

[stoic ledge]

Sales numbers of all years

[rotund matrix]

it'd be fuckin cheaper to buy it in the US and ship it at that point tbh

[stoic ledge]

2016 best selling year with 73 Mustangs sold

[rotund matrix]

that's hilarious

we have like 3 or 4 at my work

[vital glen]

This is what all you Europeans drive
https://media.tenor.com/images/c2709bf731299ae520bc83425f8e8be5/tenor.gif

[rotund matrix]

fax

[stoic ledge]

Basically

But no it wouldn't be cheaper to import one... You'd still have to pay the taxes to register it

[rotund matrix]

would those shipping and taxes and stuff be more than $60,000 USD??

cause if the car is $30k and yours is like $120k; that means you'd save money to ship it unless it costs literally like almost 100k to ship and pay tax

[stoic ledge]

Price without taxes: €38.500
VAT (21%): €8085
Emissions tax: €63270

[rotund matrix]

KEK

[stoic ledge]

Long live 🇳🇱 🎊

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge the taxes will give 3 people Nissan leafs

[rotund matrix]

kek

[stoic ledge]

Basically

[rotund matrix]

the nissan leaf is a decent little car

[stoic ledge]

No it's not

No liquid cooled batteries

[vital glen]

It's Nissan

[stoic ledge]

No telescoping steering wheel

[rotund matrix]

meh telescoping aint a big deal
are overheating batteries an issue with theirs?

they look like a decent hatch now at least

older model was too "oo look at me electric and quirky"

[stoic ledge]

Batteries won't last as long, drain faster, take longer to charge, and after 2x quick charging in one day, you can't quick charge

[rotund matrix]

interesting

[stoic ledge]

Otherwise, meh not bad for the pricing

But those batteries would be a deal breaker for me

(not that I would buy one, but if I was in the market for one)

[rotund matrix]

has there been any further news on that Tesla pickup truck?

i remember hearing rumors / concepts for it and then nothing since then

elon is kinda all over the place though

[stoic ledge]

Some source leeked it would be anounced in 3 months or something? Idk

[rotund matrix]

hmm aight

[vital glen]

There will be a Tesla pickup

regardless of leaks

[rotund matrix]

cause my stepdad was talking about maybe being interested in one of those in the future

[vital glen]

Batteries overheat from minor load

only comes in low profile tires

[rotund matrix]

in a perfect world I'd go for a model X rn

[vital glen]

It doesn't feel like a 80k car

[rotund matrix]

saw a black model X p100d yesterday on the drive home and damn it was clean

[vital glen]

Sit in one

If you only look in the front

it will feel like a 80k csr

It will drive on the road like a 80k+

just don't look around

[rotund matrix]

i mean if I was driving it, I'd focus on how it drives and looks when I'm driving. not the nitpick details

and I did say perfect world, so ignoring price stuff :P

[stoic ledge]

Model 3's are super popular, because they're nearly free.... But Model S and X sales dropped to nearly 0

[rotund matrix]

that's why they released that program again for "free supercharging"

[stoic ledge]

Still, due to tax regulations nobody will buy them

Only electric cars < 50k euro are cheap

"cheap"

[rotund matrix]

yeah "cheap"

[stoic ledge]

All are bought as company cars, the cost the owner ± $100/month

So yes, cheap

[rotund matrix]

in that sense yep

[stoic ledge]

Doesn't matter what electric car (Kona, Niro, Leaf, Golf, Ioniq, M3)... They are all sold out

Since they are all <50k

All Model 3's are also base standard range+ with 0 options, because then they would go over €50k

[rotund matrix]

i like the idea of having an electric car but they're still too premium on price for the average consumer imo

[stoic ledge]

Many electric cars are sold here but 95+% of them are company cars

Litteraly 50% of the cars sold new last year were company cars

Almost all newly sold cars to private owners are superminis

The average consumer buys their car second hand

[rotund matrix]

yep

although the secondhand electric car market will continue to grow, it can't grow without people making the first purchases :P

[stoic ledge]

Yes and no

[rotund matrix]

well ig the electric market will get flooded with secondhand electric fleet cars kek

[stoic ledge]

Around here, as said they are company cars, and they are leased for 5 years since that's the period you can benefit from the tax credit. So we have to wait 5 years for them to come on to the second hand market

Second, and I've seen this before with the PHEVs: all are bought/leased as company cars with tax credits, leased for 5 years, and after the lease.... they are all being exported. 79% of the PHEVs with tax benefits have been exported

[rotund matrix]

interesting.

[stoic ledge]

Btw did find the 2-3 months source on the Tesla pickup:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1155184195586519040

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

@JeremyGreenlee @TesLatino We’re close, but the magic is in the final details. Maybe 2 to 3 months.

Retweets

162

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2861

Twitter

[tall moon]

looking to get this fresh whip soon

[stoic ledge]

Yugo

[tall moon]

naughty isnt it

got this atm

[stoic ledge]

1st gen Ka

[tall moon]

the ka's are naughty tho

[stoic ledge]

It's a special one since it's not rusted to 680861 pieces yet 😛

[tall moon]

national treasure thats why

[stoic ledge]

I prefer the much more manly Streetka tho 😎

What. A. Beast.

[rotund matrix]

i would unironically drive that for fun

[tall moon]

that is a sexy beast of a car

[rotund matrix]

wtf. I have never seen those before.

i now want it.

"naughty"

[tall moon]

thats the type of car you will see outside of Farmfoods

[rotund matrix]

definitely

[tall moon]

or maybe the job center

[stoic ledge]

1.6 with 93hp in the Streetka

Normal versions have a 1.3 with 60hp iirc

[tall moon]

all i care about is how basey the speakers are

hmmmm they dont seem the best

[stoic ledge]

I'd say about -1 bass

[rotund matrix]

yikes.png

[tall moon]

i mean for £10 they will be shit

[stoic ledge]

It's a Ka... Don't expect a great sound system

[tall moon]

now this is a fresh car

[stoic ledge]

Nano

[tall moon]

90% chance of dying in a crash oof

[rotund matrix]

ooof

[tall moon]

this is a proper nano

[stoic ledge]

90% ? Make that 100%

https://youtu.be/buMXtGoHHIg

[tall moon]

oh god

pphhpfffffff

i could kick the car and it would crumple

[rotund matrix]

ZERO STARS KEK

shit, no airbags

yeah if you get hit you're dying

[stoic ledge]

You are the crumple zone yourself (:

[tall moon]

https://youtu.be/bsxtse3FK8A

now this is a safe car

[rotund matrix]

F

oh shit wtf

no fuckin crumple zone, car just disintegrates

[tall moon]

https://youtu.be/R7dG9UlzeFM?t=192

ahahahahhh wtf

bro the car just evaporated

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[tall moon]

https://youtu.be/R7dG9UlzeFM?t=238

naaa watch it from there

[fossil imp]

um yea speed will do that lol

[tall moon]

400g's the dummies experienced lmao

[rotund matrix]

classic video

[stoic ledge]

5th gear crash tests, classic

Also, according to EuroNCAP, the Fiat Punto gets 0 stara

[tall moon]

bro the punto is nasty

[stoic ledge]

Only because it has no active safety systems

No it's quite nice actually

[tall moon]

i mean nasty as in good

[stoic ledge]

Well not now anymore, but for when it was new

Ah

[tall moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N1Q0k6-ebg

[stoic ledge]

Then you're right xD

^ perfectly safe car

[tall moon]

i mean atleast there is some chance of survival in this one

[rotund matrix]

still but true ^

[stoic ledge]

Well it was actually a sparse trim they tested (all Puntos in 🇳🇱 did have side head airbags as standard), and even without it actual scored 3 stars overall. But the overall rating is actually the lowest rating of all it's sub categories, and since the active safety category got 0 stars, the overall rating did too

Tbh, it's also not fair some cars get tested in their highest trims with all the optional safety extras, others in their base trim

[tall moon]

still wouldn't like to be in a crash with it

lol

[stoic ledge]

I wouldn't make a goal out of it xD

Also, all older cars without active safety equipment (like all < 2014 or whatever cars) would get 0 stars

[civic spoke]

Kind of crazy how far vehicle safety has gotten in the last three decades.

[stoic ledge]

True that

But imho active safety should get a seperate rating aside from the crash rating 🙃

[civic spoke]

Seen that Malubu vs Bel Air crash test?

I think active safety gets a seperate rating?

At least the pedestrian stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U

50 years apart.

[stoic ledge]

Correct me if i'm wrong but the Bel-Air didn't have an engine

It would still have crumpled, but not 100% fair xD

And yes they divide it in multiple categories, but the construction of the final overall rating is unfair imho

[civic spoke]

I think it does? I know that they remove all fluids, tho.

But either way. It doesn't really matter, since the result would be the same.

[stoic ledge]

I thought they removed the engine... lemme see if i can find a sauce

Yeah like I said, it would still crumple xD

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge ever seen a h1 get in a crash?

[stoic ledge]

No

[civic spoke]

https://jalopnik.com/yes-the-iihs-crashed-59-chevy-had-an-engine-5364071

[vital glen]

I have

[rotund matrix]

damn

[vital glen]

it ain't pretty for the other driver

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok nice it did have an engine 😛

@vital glen LOLZ

[vital glen]

It's a brick of off-road glory

But God help the man who gets into an accident with one

[stoic ledge]

I don't think I ever have to worry crashing in to an H1 😛

[vital glen]

I'll ship mine to the netherlands

[civic spoke]

If you have a car that's under 10 years old, then you're pretty much OK in most accidents.

[vital glen]

and make it happen

[stoic ledge]

Lol I think it's wider than most semi's over here

Have fun driving one around

[tall moon]

bro have you seen the tesla model x crash saftey

[stoic ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-ldVORQyE

[civic spoke]

The Tesla chassis are forced to be super rigid

[tall moon]

i think it got 5/5

[civic spoke]

To be fair on that Hummer video. British roads are much smaller than most.

[tall moon]

true

[stoic ledge]

Roads here are also quite narrow tbh

[tall moon]

actually depends where in the uk

[civic spoke]

Really, any EV are forced to have a super strong chassis.

[stoic ledge]

Depends on where you are

[civic spoke]

Since the batteries needs to be protected in a collision.

[stoic ledge]

Still spontaneously combusts

[vital glen]

It's only 218.44cm wide @MK#9829

[tall moon]

just had a 'potpasta' would not reccomend

[stoic ledge]

Only

[civic spoke]

It's the penetrationi that's dangerous for batteries.

[stoic ledge]

Is that including the mirrors @vital glen ?

[vital glen]

I don't think

But the mirrors are kind of small

[stoic ledge]

A Volvo FH16 is 249.5 cm wide excl. mirrors

So it's a foot / 30cm narrower than a semi

[tall moon]

hmmmm the m4 widebody tho

[civic spoke]

Max width for trucks here is 250/260 cm

[vital glen]

That's not wide

[civic spoke]

260 if you have insulated sides.

[vital glen]

Just daily an Australian Road Train

[stoic ledge]

[tall moon]

oi anyone watched ice road truckers

[stoic ledge]

I did once

Years back

Daf XF is 255cm wide

So the 260cm max width is probably true

[civic spoke]

Oh, wait. Yeah. It was 255 for max width. .260 for insulated boxes.

Busses are also 255 wide

[stoic ledge]

Ah ok 🙃

Drives of in 171.3cm width

[civic spoke]

I think my E46 is slightly wider than that?

[stoic ledge]

178.0cm

[viral matrix]

181.2cm for me

Excluding mirrors

[stoic ledge]

[fossil imp]

[indigo coral]

My old RX is actually really quite safe

no forward collision braking, self steering and stuff which makes people think it's unsafe to drive, but its got lots of airbags and a solid frame with a good crumple zone, its crash tests are quite good as well.

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/NaozV92MT4Q
Not bad indeed

[indigo coral]

particularly for a '99 model year car

[stoic ledge]

https://youtu.be/h1I9B04xEKA

[fathom socket]

just don't crash 4head

[stoic ledge]

^ not crashing is solid advice (:

[rotund matrix]

^

[vital glen]

^

[graceful compass]

can i have some opinions on tis advert? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1071477403050548/

[rotund matrix]

seems decent other than the no cluster lights. good luck seeing your dash at night kek

i'd love to take that car to drive around for fun

[stoic ledge]

Probably just some bulbs broken, can be replaced

Or maybe even a blown fuse xD

[graceful compass]

or i can just tak on a small led strip or something to make it visible at night if its not an easy fix

lol

@rotund matrix

[rotund matrix]

true

but yeah looks like it would be a fun car, assuming they're telling the truth in the ad and it's priced right

[stoic ledge]

It's cheap tho xD

[graceful compass]

yeah

[stoic ledge]

Also if led strip -> make it RGB xD

[graceful compass]

its been up for a while, i seem to remember it was 2.5k originaly

[stoic ledge]

Facebook says 3k xD

[graceful compass]

either people are deterd by the high mileage or theres something the pictures dont show

@stoic ledge

[rotund matrix]

people are def deterred by the 234k km id assume

that's just shy of 150k miles

[stoic ledge]

Not bad for a car that age

If it's nearby, just go look and see

[graceful compass]

i dont have a car but if it runs and if it looks to be in good shape it would be a good first car i think

[indigo coral]

Insurance will be hell on an Eclipse

from what I understand

[graceful compass]

yeah but its hell anyways

[indigo coral]

Fair point.

2700$ every 6 months for me 🙄

[graceful compass]

but ill get a quote before i buy good idea

my cousin has a 2010s something car and its costing her 4k a year with 1 full year without her N

@indigo coral

[indigo coral]

I have a '99 Lexus RX

safe and slow

and yet its still crazy expensive

[graceful compass]

you in bc?

@indigo coral

[indigo coral]

United States.

[graceful compass]

oh

nvm

[indigo coral]

Northwest USA.

[graceful compass]

wanna come up and take at the car together? lol

@indigo coral

[indigo coral]

haha, I can't. I have summer classes 😂

[graceful compass]

oooooooooooh oof

i feel for you

youll get through it, dont give up lol

[rotund matrix]

my insurance is a shitton but hopefully it'll slowly get lower :P

hooray for being a young male

[graceful compass]

dont count on it

lol

[rotund matrix]

mine's fuckin $212/month for liability, comp, and collision

for a 2012 Nissan Rogue worth $4500

[graceful compass]

OOOOOOf

[indigo coral]

Mines 450 a month

no comprehensive

[vital glen]

@rotund matrix what a loser

[graceful compass]

like i said the price of the car is the least of my worries, its basicly a down payment on my insurance lol

[rotund matrix]

@vital glen if you mean car choice, it was my only option lol. it was that or no car.

[vital glen]

@rotund matrix being a young male

[rotund matrix]

oh, yeah, agreed

[vital glen]

just legally change your gender and lower issurance premiums 😎

[rotund matrix]

well I'm 20 now but still. young enough to still want to

[graceful compass]

men are the spawn of satan dont ya know eh?

they are the source of all crime

100%

real

true story

[rotund matrix]

kek

[graceful compass]

if i change the valve cover for a red one that says vtec ill get vtec boost right? lol

[vital glen]

@graceful compass ywa

ofc

The box says +30hp

[graceful compass]

honestly that would be so funny

[stoic ledge]

90 USD/month @ 20 🎊 But insured on my moms name with me as the driver xD Otherwise it would have been 250 USD/month

[graceful compass]

i might actually try

[vital glen]

Sticker said +10hp

[stoic ledge]

Adding a TURBO decal is instant +100HP

[indigo coral]

gotta put a big wing on my RX to get another 100hp

a bigger wing*

[rotund matrix]

any GT badge no matter what car it is

adds 15hp

[indigo coral]

RX 300 GT

xD

[rotund matrix]

fuck it add a mustang's GT badge to the eclipse

[stoic ledge]

Corsa 1.2 GT

Yeah right

[vital glen]

Electric Blow off valve

[rotund matrix]

and then you'll spin out and hit crowds

[indigo coral]

oof

we went to a mustang car show and there was surprisingly no spin outs

at all

[stoic ledge]

^ fake

[indigo coral]

not fake

just a bunch of old men

not riced out mustangs by 17 year olds

[rotund matrix]

ah that's why

it's the young dumbasses with base v6 mustangs who do it

[indigo coral]

yup

with shitty tyres cause they can barely afford the car as well

[rotund matrix]

yep

[indigo coral]

i dont get to talk shit about tyres though mine aren't great xD

[stoic ledge]

I hate people who save on tyres

No offense xD

[indigo coral]

I have michelin defender ltx which are mediocre at best, theyve been on the car since I got it and the guy we bought it from had it out of alignment so the back ones are bald on the inside. oh well.

rather have the compromised ones in the back than the front

cant afford to drop 1k on new tires until i 100% have to

[stoic ledge]

Driving on bald tyres... Even in the rear... Imho those 100% need saving (:

[indigo coral]

now that the alignment is correct the part thats actually on the road isnt the bald part

[vital glen]

I didn't realize I was driving on balds

[indigo coral]

the part thats actually driving is fine

[vital glen]

until

I looked

[stoic ledge]

👀

[indigo coral]

so it's really not that bad

[stoic ledge]

Can't imagine they cost 1k USD for a set?

[indigo coral]

around that for new ltx

[stoic ledge]

Also why not only replacing the rear tyres?

[civic spoke]

My car is telling me that I might get 900 km's from a single tank.

[indigo coral]

was told that would destroy the differentials and stuff since they'd be quite different in terms of tread/traction

[civic spoke]

Already driven 326 km's. Says that I have 575 km's left.

[stoic ledge]

> depends on the size of the tank xD

Lol wtf

[civic spoke]

900 km's is damn good for an E46 320i.

[indigo coral]

mk apparently its that way because the far is full time awd

[stoic ledge]

@civic spoke true 🙃

Yikes falcon

[indigo coral]

glad i don't have the fwd one though

[stoic ledge]

> having a FWD SUV

Yeah that's wrong xD

[rotund matrix]

my rogue is FWD

[indigo coral]

[rotund matrix]

no choice so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo coral]

I had a total of 3 choices for a car

[rotund matrix]

it gets me from work to school and home so

it'll do till i buy my own

[indigo coral]

a 1997 Dodge RAM 1500, a 2001 Honda Accord V6, and my Lexus RX 300

[rotund matrix]

so you went for the RX ye

[indigo coral]

ye

[rotund matrix]

personally would have gone for the RX or the accord so yeah

def not the 97 RAM

[indigo coral]

the ram was a decent truck, 160k miles but reliable (the 98 was when it went to shit), but I do a lot of people moving and the parking spots at my school are tiny

and the truck was only 2 door, but it had backseats

[rotund matrix]

I'm just not a truck person, and esp for commuting I'd rather have something w/ better gas mileage

[stoic ledge]

Trucks are nice, but with $7.5/gallon... No thnx xD

[indigo coral]

what's gas mileage? :P

obviously being sarcastic but my family sucks at getting efficient cars lul

[rotund matrix]

kek

[indigo coral]

mom's car gets ~15mpg, Dad's gets ~17, Mine's ~18-19

[vital glen]

@rotund matrix look, I have cracked the code

[rotund matrix]

my rogue gets 22city 28hwy iirc

so my average is like... 22.5mpg kek

[vital glen]

You drive a rouge

[rotund matrix]

indeed yes, this was mentioned earlier

[vital glen]

I don't like your kind

Always side swiping everyone

[rotund matrix]

wasn't my choice, was my only option

LMAO

[stoic ledge]

Your kind LOL

[rotund matrix]

i haven't hit anyone don't worry

[indigo coral]

Lol

[rotund matrix]

I'm a good driver™

i def don't do 85-90 on the interstate part of my commute every morning

[stoic ledge]

Tssk

> not driving 90mph

[rotund matrix]

driving at all

[indigo coral]

i have a bad habit of doing 5-10 over on hwy

[rotund matrix]

imagine not just teleporting

i essentially always do 5-10 over on hwy/interstate

[indigo coral]

i don't speed in town though, no point

[stoic ledge]

i have a bad habit of doing 20-30kph over in the hwy

[rotund matrix]

i speed only where i know i can

[stoic ledge]

(12-20mph)

[rotund matrix]

if I'm going through a speed trap town, i obvs go the speed limit

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge I have a bad habit of thinking the highway is the 1/4 mile

[rotund matrix]

LMAO

[indigo coral]

[rotund matrix]

hmm yes today i will 100% throttle

[indigo coral]

I virtually never floor my car lol.

I don't want to break shit

[velvet mirage]

For any top gear fans 😂

[rotund matrix]

[stoic ledge]

The Old TG: yes

[rotund matrix]

imagine hitting a speedbump at like 35 in that thing

lmao

[stoic ledge]

Also I floor it always

I need to because 0hp

[vital glen]

You can always floor an h1

Everywhere

[rotund matrix]

fuckin h1s lmao

[indigo coral]

I do my best to never floor it because floor it = fucked transmission

[rotund matrix]

those things 0-60 are abysmal

[indigo coral]

high revs = bad lol

[rotund matrix]

my car has a CVT transmission :/ big lame but yknow

"better gas mileage" my ass

[velvet mirage]

Ewww cvt

[vital glen]

If I had 250k on standby I would buy the milspec h1

[stoic ledge]

Yikes CVT

[rotund matrix]

again, i say no choice