cars

[stoic ledge]

I like those older BMW's a lot

[shadow osprey]

Friends mom had a 135i. Carpooled 3 kids home, still don’t know how

I was the same height then that I am now lol

[stoic ledge]

Lolz xD And the 1 series over at your side of the ocean is a coupe no?

[shadow osprey]

Yeah. Well hers was a vert but 2 door only

[stoic ledge]

Yeah we've also got it as a hatch

I liked them so I was considering them as my next car (hatch that is), but I seriously can't fit in one, too narrow

[shadow osprey]

Yeah kind of important factor

[stoic ledge]

Yeah so we keep on looking, no hurry

[shadow osprey]

I’m trying to convince my parents to buy an Edge ST. They’re looking at a mid size SUV and want a highlander or a Subaru aspect or Aztec or something A

Ascent 😂

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey aztek is best

[shadow osprey]

Yeah sure

[fathom socket]

truckception. courtesy of chp

[shadow osprey]

s a f e t y i s o u r m a i n p r i o r i t y

[fathom socket]

it was legal, except for needing 3 more tie downs, amazingly enough

[shadow osprey]

You'd be surprised the stuff that's "legal" for towing/hauling, as long as it's personal use

[tall kiln]

i want/need an awd fiesta

and im rotory swapping my stang

[shadow osprey]

Buy an RS and stick a Fiesta front bumper on. Basically the same. And talk to Rob Dahm, he knows a thing or two about putting rotaries in American cars

[tall kiln]

Rob Dahm is actually from my city. Someone that graduated a year before me actually works with him

wouldnt the bumper swap not work since the fiesta is smaller width wise?

[shadow osprey]

Didn't catch the /s ?

Just buy an RS lol

[tall kiln]

nope, my bad. I want the smallness of the fiesta, but the raw power of an RS

[shadow osprey]

And body shops can work magic. Give them a Fiesta bumper and I bet they can make it work

[tall kiln]

i could make it work probably, its just not worth the time

[shadow osprey]

The size difference is like... non existent. It's tiny and tinier

[tall kiln]

i want tiniest

and i feel like the Fiesta is slept on

[shadow osprey]

It's 10 inches shorter. Less than my ..... feet

[tall kiln]

Im from Michigan, born and raised in Detroit. I live in Flat Rock currently, where they make the Mustangs, some Lincoln's and also some Mazda's. I work next to the Dearborn plant where they make the F150's. So thats what everyone drives

The Focus plany is in Wayne, so people drives those too, but Fiestas arent made stateside iirc so no one drives them over here. Even at Ford Headquarters

Thoughts on Edge ST?

[shadow osprey]

I'm trying to convince my parents to buy one instead of a shitty Highlander or Subaru

I think it's pretty dope

Ford is flexing on the performance market in all aspects

Fiesta, Focus, Taurus, Mustang, F150, Edge, and Explorer all have some kind of high perf model

Fusion technically does too with the 2.7

[tall kiln]

Subarus are good to you if you take care of them

[shadow osprey]

Most cars are good if you take care of them

I just think those two are so bland

Especially the Toyota

[tall kiln]

all engines are partial to maintenance, but the boxer, by design needs it wayyyy more.

give a toyota fuel and it will run forever

[shadow osprey]

The ascent is also like puke ugly

[patent basalt]

Any thoughts on the newer civic type r?

[fossil imp]

it sickens me

0-60 is terrible, mid range good, handling ok

[shadow osprey]

It's a civic that makes 300hp

[fossil imp]

but looks like a turd

[shadow osprey]

enjoy trying to control it

[fossil imp]

the diff is pretty good

[shadow osprey]

FWD is FWD

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey huyandi laminated the fucking torque steers, duh, with their Civic type to rice

[fossil imp]

ignorance is bliss @shadow osprey

theres not alot that could keep up with 1 on a b-road blast

they handle extremely well, tons of traction

[vital glen]

What's a b-road? @fossil imp

[fossil imp]

country/bumpy back road

uk term

[vital glen]

Ok

[fossil imp]

twisty

[shadow osprey]

ignorance of what

[vital glen]

Until you understeer into the fence

[fossil imp]

not having driven one

i have

they dont understeer at all

[shadow osprey]

No, I haven't driven a type R, but I've driven other FWD cars

[fossil imp]

they arent all the same lol

[shadow osprey]

I'm aware

[fossil imp]

diffs have come along way in FWD performance cars

[shadow osprey]

I know the difference between a car and another car, believe it or not

Yeah and somehow they're still not as good as RWD 🤔

[fossil imp]

RWD is more fun sure

AWD for me though

i dont even like the civic

[shadow osprey]

I didn't say more fun

I said as good

[fossil imp]

but it does handle well

u own a beamer right

😃

[shadow osprey]

Besides, it's hard to justify a Type R when you can get a Mustang or Camaro for the same price

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey so reading comments from professional drivers, there is almost no torque understeer, only when you are pulling hard gs

[shadow osprey]

No I own a pick up truck

[vital glen]

So, for the average Joe, they wouldn't feel it

[shadow osprey]

For the average joe, they will definitely feel it, cause they're not smart enough to ride the line of not giving it too much throttle

[vital glen]

It's a double edged sword

[shadow osprey]

What's the other edge

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey so Honda basically just pushed the steering geometry further in front

[fossil imp]

lel

[shadow osprey]

Ok...

[fossil imp]

and the helical LSD

[shadow osprey]

We were actually talking about this earlier on the forum

It was agreed that Honda just needs to make a new s2k to compete with the supra 2.0T

[fossil imp]

new supra ewww

[shadow osprey]

Yeah we know

[fossil imp]

i wept a little when i saw that

[shadow osprey]

The only people I know that like it are people that know nothing about cars and people that are sponsored by Toyota

[fossil imp]

yep

[shadow osprey]

Especially the people sponsored by Toyota xD

[fossil imp]

its basically a bmw z4 with a shit skirt

[vital glen]

Speaking about the s2k, some little shit that lives in my area

Everyday heading up to school, this pos tailgates everyone

Weaves in out of the lanes

[fossil imp]

vtec yo

[shadow osprey]

Assuming he has an s2k?

[vital glen]

Yes

[shadow osprey]

Doesn't F20 vtec kick in at like 6500

[vital glen]

IDK man

But vtex yo

[shadow osprey]

5500-6000 depending

[stoic ledge]

VTEC-E kicks in even earlier 😄

[warm sparrow]

Vtec <3

JZ <3

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge vetc just kicked in yo 🍆 💦

[fossil imp]

seizure alert 😄

[stoic ledge]

😅

[tall kiln]

Speaking on the FWD debate

My mom drives a fusion. I4, 150ish hp. Thing is like 2 tons (4000 lbs). That car torque steers HARD if you lay pedal to metal

I do agree that diffs are a worlds difference

But something that heavy with little horsepower shouldnt torque steer that much

When I went to the NAIAS and visited the Supra booth, they had a racing simulator. I figured it would drive almost similar to my car, since its about the same wheelbase and weight and yada yada. When I told that they drove different (ofc it's going to drive different on a sim) the only thing they would say is "of course it would drive different, it's a twin turbo car"

[stoic ledge]

@tall kiln what car do you drive then ?

[tall kiln]

Turbo'd mustang

[stoic ledge]

Nice

Well it's different than a Supra, so you're right about that xD

If it's due to the TT... I don't think so 😛

[tall kiln]

Idk the entire ordeal was off putting

If the only thing you have to say ab the car is that its TT than theres not much to it

[indigo coral]

Sweet. Got a LED conversion kit for my headlights on my car 😃

Now I just need to figure out how to install it....

[stoic ledge]

Step 1: pull out the old ones
Step 2: install the new ones
Step 3: profit

[indigo coral]

Yeah I went and looked and it doesn't seem difficult

That car has horrible low beams, which are getting replaced. I'm leaving the high beams, theyre fine.

[shadow osprey]

@tall kiln a turboed coyote or an ecoboost

They probably don’t know much about it anyways since it’s a BMW

[tall kiln]

Neither

[shadow osprey]

V6?

[tall kiln]

3.8 v6

New edge

[shadow osprey]

Oh it’s a new edge

[tall kiln]

Yessir

[shadow osprey]

Interesting choice

No wonder it drives differently 😂

[tall kiln]

Something to hold me over till the rotary swap

😂 😂 you're not wrong

[shadow osprey]

Fox platform wasn’t exactly high performance

[tall kiln]

Emissions is the problem

The 5.0 made like 200 hp. And the 5.0 H.O made like 210 hp

[shadow osprey]

Well SN95s use the same platform

And even with full bolt ons, a 302 won’t do much over 300 so it is what it is

[tall kiln]

Yes I'm aware it's all the same platform, but hell, the v6 made 190 hp, with 2 less cylinders and 1.2 l less of displacement

[shadow osprey]

Yes and 70lb ft less torque

Well if you’re comparing the 5.0 then it should be compared to either the 4-cyl in the fox or the 3.8 in the SN95, which made 145 hp

The 3.8 in the new edge made 210 yes, but the 4.6 made 260

And 300 lb ft

[tall kiln]

The 232 is the last pushrod engine too. The 4.2 in the f150 was an entirely new engine

The 4.6 is a solid motor, I have one in a thunderbird

The 281 in the thunderbird doesnt have the PI package though, so it has 210ish hp, where as the Mustangs have 260ish

I'm planning on throwing a top end kit on the thunderbird but I think I'll have to take the engine out because theres almost no clearance between the strut towers and heads

If I do have to take it out, I probably wont throw the top end kit on

[shadow osprey]

Sorry the V6 made 190 my b

Non-PI And PI heads are the same dimensions. There never was room in the engine bay to begin with lol. One or two of the thunderbird gens were built on the fox platform as well so you won’t have any problems @tall kiln

Also, putting PI heads on a non-PI motor will give you a nice bump in compression

I think the lowest the 4.6 made was like 215 or 220

JK the lowest was the first appearance in the town car at 190

Still made 270 tq tho

[tall kiln]

I'm p sure its makes 210 or 215. It's a 97 so it's the last year produced, but I've heard stories about the engine having to come out from the bottom because there is no room up top

[shadow osprey]

205/265 in 94-95 and 205/280 in 96-97

Ah it’s one of those that’s pushed way under the cowl

[tall kiln]

I knew it was something like that, but if I have to pull the motor, I might as well put something else in. But the problem with that is the transmisson is an odd length because the length of the car so finding a transmission to fit would be an issue

[shadow osprey]

If you’re gonna swap it, you might as well buy something more swap friendly

[tall kiln]

Not even that iirc. It's just that the engine bay is so small that theres an inch from head to strut tower

[shadow osprey]

Half the engine under the cowl is not something that will change with a new motor

An inch is a lot of space for a mod motor 😂

[tall kiln]

Yea that car isnt very swap friendly at all. It's stupid heavy

Maybe if you wanted to put something smaller in, but you cant up size. And the 4.6 is a smaller engine as it sits

[shadow osprey]

Shit, a coyote is smaller than a 4.6

[tall kiln]

Is it really?

[shadow osprey]

a DOHC 4.6/5.4, yes

They're super freaking wide

The valve covers have a flat side to fit in the engine bay

The 5.4 has a taller deck height so it fits even less in the engine bay. Just look at a '00 Cobra R or GT500

[night timber]

thats wide wtf

[shadow osprey]

They look so weird on a stand with no intake manifold. Talk about a giant V

[tall kiln]

Well the 5.4 is a truck motor, fit inside a way smaller engine bay

[stoic ledge]

Will it fit in mine tho

[tall kiln]

What vehicle?

[stoic ledge]

2012 Corsa 😂 This is all the space you have xD

(so obviously the answer is no)

[tall kiln]

The 5.4 had a problem with throwing spark plugs, only if you neglected its maintenance

Thats not true

Lots of time and money

Anything is possible with both

[stoic ledge]

Lol but I have neither

Otherwise I wouldn't drive a 1.2 Corsa xD

[tall kiln]

That's most peoples problem

Do you know Bad Obession motorsports?

[stoic ledge]

Well it's reliable and due to the LPG system cheap to run, so not bad as a first car

And no

[tall kiln]

They're fitting an entire Celica running gear into a 70s mini

Without lengthing or widening

[stoic ledge]

Lol in the rear I suppose ?

[tall kiln]

Front.

[stoic ledge]

Damn

[tall kiln]

They wanted it done over the summer

That was 4 years ago

It's a very good watch 😂

Everything is over engineered

[stoic ledge]

😂 That was to be expected

[tall kiln]

They're on episode 37ish, and they wired up all the electrical besides the motor. The interior is completely finished. They have the front and rear suspension in place, and they set up the alternator.

Each episode is 30ish mins long and come out 2 a year. But theres no schedule. It's a good watch, very good. My dad and I watch it to see how they handle their problems and issues

[stoic ledge]

Yeah sounds like fun

[fossil imp]

bad obsession guys are on another level

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge The only thing that is racing, is the semis

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen what ?

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge your corsa

[stoic ledge]

Ah xD

Yes

😛

Tbh semi's without a trailer are stupid fast xD

[warm sparrow]

MK's car again

he shows it every time

well that's still better than if it was something else.........

[stoic ledge]

@warm sparrow 😅

Show you Peugeot than xD

[warm sparrow]

no

[fossil imp]

205 GTI 1.9

FTW

i had one

[hollow wind]

me too in white

[tall kiln]

@fossil imp I want to be as good as them. That's one of my aspirations

[indigo coral]

Don't we all have that one friend whose car never works properly

[shadow osprey]

Yeah lmao

Had one of those in HS. I was at his house at least once a week

[indigo coral]

My friend: 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. That car is falling apart.

[shadow osprey]

Also I wouldn’t call the 5.4 a truck motor, it was an aluminum block. That’s like calling an LS3 a truck motor, when technically it would be an LQ4 or LQ9, which are the iron block versions of the LS2 and 3 (I think). Granted Ford didn’t make iron block 5.4s iirc. The way it was tuned in a truck though definitely made it good in its application, lotta torque for an OHC motor

Yoooo my friend had a grand prix also 😂😂

[indigo coral]

My RX has saved his ass from sitting on the side of the road a half dozen times now lol

His car is a bit faster than mine, and he finds that funny, but I'll take the tradeoff seeing as I don't have to worry if mine will start or not 😂

[shadow osprey]

RX?

[indigo coral]

lexus rx300 lol

My car is a 1999 RX300

[shadow osprey]

Ah. I thought you meant RX8 for a second I was like... wow that’s surprising

[indigo coral]

lol

[stoic ledge]

If he had a RX8 it would be him who had a broken car all the time

[shadow osprey]

Well both of them, apparently

[tall kiln]

I thought the 5.4 only came with iron blocks and the cobra motors were the only aluminum blocks you could get for that motor

[unreal pivot]

well hu

i have just found out my motorbike insurance has ran out today

i think it is now time to get new insurance

ops

[shadow osprey]

All 4V 4.6s in mustangs were aluminum, with the exception of the 03-04 termi cobras. You might be right with the iron blocks in trucks

Actually yeah I think so. I don’t know why i thought they were all aluminum

But the 5.4 in the Cobra R and GT500s were definitely aluminum blocks

[tall kiln]

The 4v 4.6s were only used in Mustang's iirc

[shadow osprey]

The first mod motor introduced was a 4V actually, in the Lincoln mk8

Also used in a couple other Lincoln’s, like the Aviator (explorer) and continental I think. Fun fact it was also used in Koenigsegg’s first car

First couple actually

[tall kiln]

Actually I remember all that now. I remember debating going to a junkyard and pulling a 4v 4.6 out of an Aviator

But I knew it was used in Koenigseggs cars. I just meant Fords earlier

[shadow osprey]

Lol

[hollow wind]

I love helicords

[indigo coral]

I feel like I'm the only one that actually likes the Caddy ELR

😂

[fossil imp]

@hollow wind yea same, u seen the prices of a mint one now? wish i had kept hold of it !

mine had an mi16v conversion on throttle bodies down too, fml

[hollow wind]

mine was original no mods not even the exhaust

[stoic ledge]

Caddy ELR looks cool imho, but was waaaaay to expensive

[shadow osprey]

It’s a caddy volt... ew. Looks like they forgot to shorten the wheelbase, but definitely remembered to give it shit visibility. Oh GM

[stoic ledge]

Well it kinda looks like a concept car they took into production, which is cool

But the drivetrain... A retuned Chevrolet Volt with a bit more power with a much higher fuel consumption for twice the price... Yeah that's not gonna work

[wraith forum]

my car is one of those really cool ones

ya know the ones that dont exist

[burnt plinth]

well car is one those which u cant see

we went for the same joke haha @wraith forum

[wraith forum]

same man

hahahaha

[indigo coral]

Aight thats one fine looking Saab

[fathom socket]

Hot valley vs normal porting? What do you guys say?

[shadow osprey]

Those are 3 different pics lmao. The third one looks nice. Generally not a fan of white

[shadow osprey]

@fathom socket Home port your shit, it's cheaper 😂

[hollow wind]

Not my cup of tea rather have the retro 900 turbo saab

[stoic ledge]

Saab 95 N-G SportsCombi 😍 Too bad they never had the chance to put it into production

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/fd/75/93fd758b08a0c1fa0cebb7c29272f05d.jpg

[warm sparrow]

this one is great

RIP

[indigo coral]

It really is a shame that Saab went under.

[fathom socket]

@shadow osprey I was talking about different intake/exhaust configs.. I’d port mine at home but I don’t have titanium bits

[fathom socket]

that Saab looks really good

[mint talon]

Sortof looks like a range rover imo lol

[fathom socket]

Don't you just hate it when you're getting your first car and your budget is extremely low

[short slate]

even worse if you get something unreliable and it keeps breaking

[fathom socket]

True

[short slate]

or when the parts are super expensive, or both

[fathom socket]

Oof

[short slate]

Note: stay away from Chrysler, they suck. lmao

[fathom socket]

Hmm ok, that's good to know

I'm thinking about importing a car from Japan, but my budget is sooo low

[short slate]

rip

[fathom socket]

Mega Rip

My budget I think is at $2.5k-$3k

But I still have to work during the summer to even get there

[shadow osprey]

At least Chrysler parts aren't expensive

$2500 is plenty for a good car

You should be able to find almost anything in that price range

[patent basalt]

So mike May be trading the challenger off

[stoic ledge]

Why ?

[patent basalt]

2019 camaro possibly 😛

[fathom socket]

id be wary

as of late gm has had a lot of air conditioner issues and engine/electrical problems

[patent basalt]

Ehh it has a warranty

[fathom socket]

I wonder if the Pink LTT car will ever be featured in a video game

[warm sparrow]

Just ask for it to a modder

In assetto corsa for example

[vital glen]

@patent basalt do you enjoy talking third person?

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge he doesn't use it as a car anyways, it will go to someone who will use it as such

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen yeah i know, but still 😛

[prime chasm]

Is nakamichi a good brand for Headunits?

[vital glen]

Sounds like taobao

[indigo coral]

I have a nakamichi system in my car

it sounds good, yeah

(1999 RX300)

[odd talon]

@prime chasm They used to make some great stuff.

Some of the best tape decks.

[shadow osprey]

Dope, I’m gonna go buy a new tape deck now

[short slate]

Just tested the diodes on my alternator. Got no connection from post -> housing and housing -> post, even with digging the multimeter probes into the housing.

Blown diodes perhaps?

Strange part is that I read around 14.2v while the car is running, 12.4v while the car is off

[tall kiln]

I want to buy a g35 or g37

Or an is300

The is300 has the 1jz in it

[jagged wagon]

Anyone here either a) a mechanic or b) familiar with Subaru FB20 engines in any of their cars?

[shadow osprey]

@tall kiln You know the 1JZ is a 2.5L right? So it wouldn't make sense to call an IS300 an IS300 with a 2.5L... It's a 2JZ lol

@jagged wagon Might as well throw your problem out, but you might have a better shot on the forum https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/901907-car-enthusiast-club-now-motorcycle-friendly-first-thread-to-100k-¯_ツ_¯/

[jagged wagon]

That's where I plan posting 😃 So basically I had both the CEL and VDC lights come on in my 2014 Crosstrek out of nowhere, specifically asking me to check the Emissions Control and Vehicle Dynamics Control systems. ODB II code is P000A which means "A" Camshaft Position Slow Response Bank 1.

I've checked the basics, like fluids & listened for noise, but am at a point where I'm going to call book an appointment with my mechanic, as I don't know how easy (or time consuming) it would be for me to chase down the problem sensor or replace the Oil Control Valves, assuming they're the problem.

The car still runs OK, albeit I can tell there's a slight lack of power, but it got me home from Victoria to Nanaimo, BC with the error codes... (what can I say, I take risks.) Just wondered if anyone has run into similar problems on a Crosstrek, Impreza, or other Subaru's with the FB20 engine, and if so, what they ended up doing.

[shadow osprey]

Yeah I got nothing

[jagged wagon]

lol yeah i guessed as much - I'm good with basic maintenance, but troubleshooting car engine codes is like troubleshooting Windows bluescreens: the fault code gives you a general idea of what's wrong, but it's up to you to start replacing all the pieces one by one until it works again. except with OS's you can just pave and nuke with minimal effort

[shadow osprey]

exactly

[warm sparrow]

what's an ETA lol

[grizzled mulch]

"estimated time arrival"

[warm sparrow]

ok

[tall kiln]

I knew it was either a 1j or a 2j

Thanks for the heads up though

[fathom socket]

Estimated time OF arrival 😛 @grizzled mulch @warm sparrow

[tall kiln]

I think that question is clear cut

Obviously the shorter you drive, the less gas you will use. So if a drive if 15 miles longer, but no traffic and takes 30 mins less, you will consume less fuel

[livid nimbus]

hi

i love cars

reeeeeeeeeeee

skrrt

[magic arrow]

so I have the Buick TourX for the week (just dropped off today) - AMA

[fossil imp]

@livid nimbus are u ok?

[stoic ledge]

@magic arrow no, you've got a Opel Insignia Country Tourer dropped off today 😛

But it's a really nice car imho

[magic arrow]

LOL yes it is an opel

and it is REALLY nice

[stoic ledge]

What engine do you have ?

2.0T I assume ?

[magic arrow]

yeah

no other choice in USA

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's what I thought

Haven't driven that one, i've only driven the 1.5T (165hp) and 1.6T (200hp)

Looking forward to the video 😄

[magic arrow]

^_^

thanks!

we also uploaded the Hyundai Santa Fe and Honda Odyssey 😄

[stoic ledge]

Yes I've seen both already 😃

[magic arrow]

i'm uploading the Trackhawk video this Friday! O_O

[stoic ledge]

😮

[magic arrow]

let's just say i'm pretty happy with my slow mo shots!

😄

[stoic ledge]

Let me be the judge of that 😈 😈

[magic arrow]

haha sure!

[stoic ledge]

Were you also able to get a different Odyssey? I thought you said your tester didn't have the built in vacuum cleaner, but I did see one in the video 👀

[magic arrow]

yeah they swapped it out

I have to say Honda as a company is quite amazing here in the US

super traditiona

but very supportive

[stoic ledge]

Nice!

Honda sales are low here, so I've got no idea how they are as a company

[magic arrow]

yeah i know they suffer import tax issues

[stoic ledge]

Well that's not really their issue (Civic for example us built in the UK) but the line-up doesn't appeal to European car buyers

Just 0.29% of the cars sold last year was a Honda 😮

Toyota has the same tax issues but they sold almost 20 times as many cars

[tall kiln]

Well, the UK market is saturated with tons of other options

The us doesnt have many in retrospect

[stoic ledge]

True, but there are multiple 'reasons' imho. Jazz (Fit) is a type of car nobody buys anymore, Civic is to strange looking for most people, HRV/CRV are too expensive... And that's the entire line-up

So people spend their money elsewhere

[livid nimbus]

@fossil imp im feeling sick

lol

[fossil imp]

oh ok its just earlier what u said u sounded r3tarded

😄

[fathom socket]

Braaaap stututututu vs. raaaahhhhw rahw rahw?

[magic arrow]

i made sounds like that in the X4 M40 video! haha

[shadow osprey]

Guy on the forum works for Honda as a tech. They seem to be a pretty solid company

@tall kiln @grizzled mulch depends on the car. Some hybrids have a stop start mode, or fully electric mode for short trips, and will get better effective fuel economy due to the electric motors being able to manage a short distance trip, regardless of time, whereas a longer distance trip would run the battery dry and then switch to gas. But yeah, for any gas engine the shorter time trip would usually be better.

[grizzled mulch]

thanks for correcting me bud btw, i don't have time to correct that

[shadow osprey]

@magic arrow I know you’ve reviewed the Subaru Ascent, but have you reviewed a Toyota Highlander? Also any plans to review a Ford Edge? 😁 lol. My parents are in the market. I’m trying to sway them towards the Ford but they’re primarily looking at the other two.

[tall kiln]

I just seen an ad from ford about the outback vs edge

Might be something to look into

[fathom socket]

the edge looks pretty cool, looks kind of mean if you get black glossy wheels, and the car in either one of the blues, white/pearl white, or gloss black

[shadow osprey]

Exactly, that's why I like it. And the Edge ST just looks even cooler

Just look at that

[fathom socket]

I want one but I can't get one 😦

This is amazing

It's lowered, looks so clean

[shadow osprey]

Not bad

[indigo coral]

I've tossed around the idea of slightly lowering my RX300 lol. Tighter suspension and drop it a bit would help a looot with handling

Also not sure how much it'd cost.

I also think it'd improve it aesthetically, more wagon-y

[vital glen]

@indigo coral it is just your same old crossdressing car, idk

[indigo coral]

hm?

crossdressing car?

[tall kiln]

Get some coilovers from Ebay

Cheap and will help tons

[indigo coral]

yeah, it's a nice car but loafs into corners

body roll x 50

[shadow osprey]

Yeah ebay coilovers honestly aren't a bad option

They get shit cause, ya know, it's ebay, but I can only imagine how bad a luxury SUV handles

[indigo coral]

Around corners its bad, yeah 😛 In terms of steering, for what it is, its not half bad. Not too vague actually.

I mean it's no performance car, but it's perfectly good enough for a first car.

I looked up rx300 coilovers, they start at 1000$ which is a bit out of my price range haha.

[shadow osprey]

Lame

[indigo coral]

I'd do it in a heartbeat if I had buckets of money, but alas I don't 😛

[stoic ledge]

A lowered RX300 looks kinda like a wagon 😛

^^ and the Edge is nice imho, too bad they're just too expensive + only sold with a diesel here

[shadow osprey]

They look like a wagon in the same way a lowered Forester looks like a wagon. Sorta... still an SUV tho lol

I wish we got the diesel here, I'd want them to buy it even more lol

[stoic ledge]

It's a 2.0 TDCi 180hp or 2.0 TDCi Bi-Turbo 210hp

[shadow osprey]

Yeah, with 295 and 332 lb-ft of torque

[warm sparrow]

wtf is this thing?

so rice

[shadow osprey]

lol

[stoic ledge]

^ it's a lowered RX300 😛

Too bad the Edge diesel is €70k or $80k USD, so nobody will buy it

[shadow osprey]

That's cause it's an import in Europe

In the US it would probably start at like $35-40k

[stoic ledge]

Well it's mostly because it has €20k emissions tax on it

[shadow osprey]

Considering the Titanium starts at $38k

top kek

[stoic ledge]

Base price without taxes is €42k, but that's the ST-Line tho. No lower trim

But for the same price as a Edge ST-Line 2.0 TDCi, you can also get a 400hp XC60 T8

[shadow osprey]

How does it go from 42k to 75k

[stoic ledge]

€42k + VAT = €50k + emissionstax = €70k

(:

[shadow osprey]

Seems legit

[stoic ledge]

Why else do you think we only drive small 1.0 EcoBoost muesli cars

[shadow osprey]

Idk, cause you like torturing your passengers?

And yourself?

[stoic ledge]

Yes that too

[shadow osprey]

I think the new Fiesta is cool looking, I'd buy one if they offered it. Too bad FORD IS STOPPING CAR PRODUCTION

Baka

Guess I'll go buy a Toyota 🤔 🔫

[stoic ledge]

They're not stopping car production, only stopping car sales in the US 😉

[shadow osprey]

Stopping production in the US

You know what I meant

[stoic ledge]

Yeah 😅

Psst... wanna buy a Fiesta? I can get one for 'ya 😛

[shadow osprey]

Only if you can get me a 1.5L

[stoic ledge]

We can, only as a ST3 tho

[shadow osprey]

Dunno what that is 👍

[stoic ledge]

There are 3 level's of ST trim, ST1, ST2 and ST3 (3 is the most luxurious trim). For some reason we can only order the ST3 trim

[shadow osprey]

nvm then

Gimme the diesel xD

[stoic ledge]

🤔 Not sure it there is a diesel Fiesta atm

Lemme check

[shadow osprey]

According to wikipedia there is 😂

[stoic ledge]

In the Netherlands, there is not. In every other country, there is

😛

1.5 TDCi 85 or 120hp

[shadow osprey]

Ah yes, netherlands strikes again

[stoic ledge]

Yeah due to emissions tax it would be so expensive, nobody would buy it

Kinda funny, a few years ago they were promoting to buy small diesel cars

Now they are like

[shadow osprey]

Seems legit

[warm sparrow]

that's europe @stoic ledge

fuck fuck'em, DIESEL POWEEER

[stark lintel]

@stoic ledge you should thank VW and other car manufacturers for pushing diesel in a hell 😃

if they didn't cheat, diesels might have died out slowly. now because of the cheating scandal, politicians are forcing diesels out of our life quickly

[warm sparrow]

this is so dumb

[stoic ledge]

Yes, yes it is

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge diesel is really good for gas milage

Run biodiesel and go around collecting free oil from restaurants

And then filter it

Double the gas milage

[shadow osprey]

@stark lintel only VW. But in America that shit matters less since no one wants a diesel in the first place. We don’t have special taxes, we just have tariffs, and those apply to everything. Also, the EPA. Which will just shut cars out instead of taxing them.

But we still have big diesels here so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic ledge]

Well big diesels are good for towing

And yeah diesels get better mileage but according to some studies they polute more other gasses -> bad for the environment

Mazda Skyacyive X will be an interesting engine, combining the best of both worlds

[shadow osprey]

Yeah everyone makes that argument. So you have to weigh how bad each pollutant is against each other, the corresponding output per mile/km, and then decide which is actually better

With all the emissions currently on diesels, they tend to be far and away the better choice

But personally idgaf about all that

[stoic ledge]

Well according to the government diesel is bad m'kay. So they tax the hell out of it so it's not gonna be worth buying it

Sales tax is higher

Road tax is 3 times as high

Since you guys like diesels so much: wanna trade a Volvo S80 with the Yamaha V8 for a Volvo S80 DRIVe? 1.6 diesel, 115hp 😍

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge it pollutes less if it gets better mileage

[stoic ledge]

Less Co2 but more other stuff like NOx and shizzle

[shadow osprey]

According to the government, a lot of bad things are good, and a lot of good things are bad, so personally I don’t really care what they say

[stoic ledge]

^ i agree

But they make i so expensive it doesn't make sense to buy a diesel

[shadow osprey]

Usage of fossil fuels is probably more important than the pollution it makes, so getting 50 mpg is nothing to laugh at

[stoic ledge]

Running out of oil is not the "issue" our government is focussing on, they are only focussed on global warning

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge lmao

you are funny

they want your money first and for most

[stoic ledge]

I know, so I buy a tax free car and get my fuel in a different country

(:

But what I said is the explanation lie they are telling us ;)

[flint sable]

fiesta st

[shadow osprey]

*foremost

[stark lintel]

@shadow osprey only VW ? Every manufacturer got caught. VW was only the first one, and the biggest one. They caught other manufacturers too.

[shadow osprey]

Like...

[stark lintel]

like FIAT Chrysler

"As part of a January 2019 settlement, Fiat Chrysler will recall and repair approximately 100,000 automobiles equipped with a 3.0-liter V6 EcoDiesel engine having a prohibited defeat device, pay $311 million in total civil penalties to US regulators and CARB, pay $72.5 million for state civil penalties, implement corporate governance reforms, and pay $33.5 million to mitigate excess pollution. "

[shadow osprey]

Yeah, FCA is garbage. I only own one because it's the only chrysler to not have a chrysler engine in it

There was almost no coverage of it in the news as far as I can remember

[stark lintel]

yes, because nobody cares about FCA 😃

VW was a bigger fish

[shadow osprey]

VW didn't sell many diesels in the states anyways. Either way their value still went up after the whole ordeal started/ended

[vital glen]

@stark lintel lol, CARB

[stark lintel]

and since dieselgate started, pretty much all diesels even in EU fail the required levels of NOx. so that is why they are taxed through the roof now

the real joke is that the only reason for this whole dieselgate was that they didn't want to lower the service interval or cut in the storage space in the car

[shadow osprey]

I wonder what the gov't did with that 30 million of "excesses pollution" money...

[stark lintel]

as they didn't want to increase the size of the AdBlue tank at expense of storage space, but at same time they wanted to keep their i think 10k mile service interval.

[shadow osprey]

Also, why didn't they just test the levels of NOx if it's such a big deal

They clearly didn't seem to care about it 3 years ago

[stark lintel]

they did test, that is what was the cheating scandal about

on dyno they were less polluting than in real driving conditions

[shadow osprey]

That's no fault of the manufacturer

That's like saying Dyno tuning is indicative of real world tuning

It's not

That's why a good tuner will street tune a car

Lazy practice by the EPA

[carmine summit]

It's not that

They test them on a dyno, if the car detects that it's getting emissions tested it will go in to a different mode that changes the engine management so it passes

[shadow osprey]

Even more top kek

Just shows how out of touch the government is then

[compact wing]

i never thought VW made good cars anyways, they made popular and people cars but not really good ones

also i think the goverment knew about that hole cheating thing anyway in one form or another, and they don´t punish the manufactures too much because of the aftereffects

[cloud needle]

Subaru

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey sssshhh... They didn't know, they just found out because of some college kids

Ok

[shadow osprey]

*whole

[vital glen]

@compact wing VW got fined 25billion in total, but got off relatively scott-free

Like come on

[silk finch]

I'm not gonna lie... the Polestar 2..... looks like something straight out of the future

[fathom socket]

Assuming the future is good

[shadow osprey]

I'm gonna have to say the future where car design when just wrong enough to look like poop

[charred abyss]

recently my dad got a Mitsubishi outlander hybrid electric

[vital glen]

I feel sorry for you @charred abyss

[shadow osprey]

Lol

[stoic ledge]

I agree with @vital glen

[serene jetty]

HELP

95 NSX and a Tommi Makkinen Evo 6 or Porsche 993 RWB

I cant decide

[night current]

Nsx

[fossil imp]

EVO !

[indigo coral]

NSX.

[shadow osprey]

Two cars vs one

RWBs are dope though. But it’s a Porsche

[zenith path]

I vote NSX too

[charred abyss]

@vital glen it is actually a pretty cool car

[fossil imp]

depends what u want, EVO would OWN an nsx peformance wise

[night current]

Maybe in a drag race and rally.

[shadow osprey]

Only stock for stock in a straight line

The NSX would take the win if there were any turns

Also, he said Evo AND nsx, or the RWB. Not one of the three

[warped kettle]

found a cool truck today

https://www.flickr.com/photos/petermerhaut/47216985712/in/dateposted-public/

slightly rusty

highway toll stickers are from 1999

[shadow osprey]

Abandoned = free?

[warped kettle]

if you pass the farmer with the rifle, it's free :p

[shadow osprey]

Sounds about right

The DC area actually has laws about abandoned vehicles on public property

After a certain amount of time you can take them

If the DOT doesn’t first

[vital glen]

@charred abyss it's a Mitsubishi

[stoic ledge]

Great observation @vital glen

[night current]

[charred abyss]

I am so glad you could see that but that does not detract from the fact it is a decent car

[night current]

^

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge His logic is off

[charred abyss]

says the person with the AMD logo

XD

[stoic ledge]

Ryzen is the better pick over Intel atm so 😛

But the reason why I don't like them, is because they we're bought with almost no or literally no taxes, or even given tax credit because they are "eco friendly". But then, they never plug it in and use only the gas engine.

Besides that, I've driven one, it's really heavy and it is kinda really slow. Seriously, the base 2.0 is faster

[charred abyss]

I have a 8700K but when I make fretbreaker I plan on getting a threadripper

hence the name

[stoic ledge]

Threadripper

[charred abyss]

the 1920X

[shadow osprey]

@stoic ledge can’t make blanket statements like that, not true

[stoic ledge]

@shadow osprey ?

[shadow osprey]

Your AMD statement

[stoic ledge]

Well I don't know how it is at the States but over here Ryzen is a better value then their Intel equivalent over all

[charred abyss]

yep intel here in NZ is pretty expensive atm

[vital glen]

Oh you live south of the prison colony

Lol

[stoic ledge]

:ohno: You drive on the wrong side of the road

[night current]

Lol

[tall kiln]

@shadow osprey tell your folks to get a Tesla

[shadow osprey]

@stoic ledge Better and better value are not the same thing. Everyone knows Ryzen is a better value, but you said "the better pick" which, like I said, is not always true

They'd never get a tesla lol

[tall kiln]

What's wrong with Tesla

They would save money

[charred abyss]

My dad got a hybrid-electric as part of him switching jobs

[warped kettle]

Tesla are expensive cars with cheap ass interior

[fathom socket]

^

[warped kettle]

if i buy something that's as expensive as a bmw 5 or 7 series, i don't want vw polo interior quality 😉

that said, i really like the Kia Soul EV and the Hyundai Ioniq

[fathom socket]

vw polo has better interior than a tesla though lmao

[indigo coral]

I beg to differ, having been in quite a few of them, the interior of a Tesla isn't too bad post-2014

Quite nice actually.

(2012 and 13 was a shit show for their interiors tho, I'll give you that 😂)

[night current]

Model 3 is 35k before EV bonus money stuff here in the US.

Seems like a pretty good deal

[warped kettle]

no tactile buttons .... another huge disadvantage

for example open a sunroof. 99,99% of the cars got the button for that in the middle on the roof
in the model s? navigate in some menu and use a slider

wtf

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I'm not really a fan of Tesla's "put everything in one screen" philosophy

Also I don't like the fact that when it has rained and you open the trunk/boot/..., everything in the back gets wet 😛

[night current]

I think a touchscreen is better than 20 million different buttons making the center console a mess.

I mean, I understand your hate for the model 3's lack of buttons. But I dont think that there should be buttons for everything.

Plus, it allows for better organization

[stoic ledge]

Well not everything should have their own buttons, but things like adjusting the Cruise Control, wipers, headlights, drive train mode, I really prefer physical buttons instead of doing this on a screen. Also, a dial to increase the temperature is way easier to operate while driving instead of tapping a screen.

[night current]

I respect that. Elon Musk primarily did that though because he believes fully autonomous driving will happen during the Model 3's life.

[stoic ledge]

I hope not, i like driving 😛

Imho the Model 3 is a fine car if you just want to get from A to B, but if you want more from a car... not really

[indigo coral]

It's a ton of fun to drive, imo

Haven't driven a Performance though 😂

[stoic ledge]

(maybe should have added that's the impression i get from the car, haven't driven one 😛 )

[indigo coral]

The one I drove the long-range RWD

Handled fantastically

especially compared to my lexus rX 😛

[stoic ledge]

Well yeah put you can't really compare those 2 😛

[indigo coral]

I've driven a number of cars, my dad's Taurus actually handles really pretty well. I honestly prefer to drive the Model 3 over a BMW i8 (The i8 was great to drive too, but was just not as... tossable as the 3)

I drove the i8 at a car show, the owner actually let me take it around for a few minutes

[stoic ledge]

^ nice

[indigo coral]

I find it interesting that my dad's Taurus handles as well as it does, seeing as its a pretty big sedan. It is the SHO with the performance pack though.

[stoic ledge]

Those are RWD right ?

Or am I mistaken ?

[indigo coral]

AWD.

Though I believe rear-biased, especially in Sport mode.

[stoic ledge]

Could be, could be

[indigo coral]

It's not particularly hard to provoke traction control 😂

[stoic ledge]

3.5 Ecoboost will make it pretty fast

[indigo coral]

yee, 365hp is pretty dang good

[stoic ledge]

Largest Ford we can get is the Fusion (Mondeo)

But always thoughth the Taurus was a good looking car

[indigo coral]

It's a very nice car, but the back seats are small.

I'm 6'2" and barely fit.

[stoic ledge]

R.i.p me with 6'4"

[indigo coral]

I'm concerned that my starter flywheel is slipping in my car, it makes a funny clattery/grindy noise when I start. It happened in the last few days.

Probably gonna replace it soon.

Once the car is not cranking anymore the noise goes away and it just sounds like normal.

[fossil imp]

smack it with a hammer

[stoic ledge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/photo-gear-confirm-cs3CVwkqprnG0

[carmine summit]

probably just the starter motor not engaging correctly

[viral matrix]

Largest Ford we can get is the Fusion (Mondeo)
I have a mk3 mondeo 😄

With the 2.5l v6

[tall kiln]

It's probably not the flywheel slipping

[shadow osprey]

Dude I want a taurus SHO so bad

I'm late to the party, I know

[tall kiln]

It's most likely the starter going bad/not engaging fully/properly. Like @fossil imp said, slap it with a hammer if it goes away, its the starter

Taurus SHO's are really nice

But I'm partial to the older body styles of the 80's n 90's

Even the 70's

[astral trench]

Ok sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll be good now.

[viral matrix]

😄

Speaking of belts, I should change my altenator and water pump belts

At least the altenator belt is gonna be a pain

[astral trench]

I just spent about $320 replacing the serpentine belt and the pulley that broke in half on my '02 Mercedes.

[viral matrix]

oof

[stoic ledge]

@viral matrix nice! 2.5 V6 makes it a nice comfortable motorway cruiser

[viral matrix]

Indeed

I love the torque

[carmine summit]

Torque is great

[viral matrix]

And it even has some high end power

[carmine summit]

I wish Audi sold the B6 A4 with the V6 TDI here

[viral matrix]

Looking forward to upgrading to the 3.0l ST220

my buddy has an audi A4 B7 with the 3.0tdi

270bhp/650nm

[carmine summit]

We only got the 1.8T and the 3.0 here, no diesels

[stoic ledge]

Get the Mk4 with the 5 cilinder Volvo Turbo engine 😛

[viral matrix]

I love the volvo 5cyl

But I like the v6 more

😉

[carmine summit]

It's hard to find clean old Volvo wagons here

[astral trench]

Torque is awesome, in the car itself. Torque anywhere else is...terrible. If you're dumb enough to use a cheater bar and sheer a bolt in half by accident....

[carmine summit]

I've done that

I managed to get the bolt out eventually

[astral trench]

It's such a gd pain.

[stoic ledge]

Finding clean old Volvo's is doable, but they are always super expensive nice ones

[viral matrix]

I used to own a -97 S40

it was mint

Mondeo drives a lot better tho

[stoic ledge]

A S40 is s Mitsubishi Charisma with a different body xD

[viral matrix]

I know

[astral trench]

I'd love to do a full resto on an older car. Two of my neighbors right across the street have shops with full lifts in their back yard. I just don't know enough to do it.

[viral matrix]

I had the one with the renault trans too

lmao

But the S40 looks way better than the carisma

😄

[stoic ledge]

:ohno:

[astral trench]

#ShouldHaveBoughtTheNova -_-

[viral matrix]

Almost mint condition

[stoic ledge]

What country is that 👀

[viral matrix]

Finland 👀

[stoic ledge]

Ah didn't recognise the plates

[astral trench]

I need....er...want to repaint my C240, took some scratch damage in hurricane Harvey.

[stoic ledge]

R.I.P

[astral trench]

It's minor stuff and I have a vial of the original paint. Somewhere.

[stoic ledge]

Can't polish it out ?

[astral trench]

Haven't tried, dumping money into too many other things with it.

My mileage reads 132k but it's actually around....51-53k. New engine.

Pulled out of identical car.

[viral matrix]

Changing that belt ain't gonna be fun

[astral trench]

And now the bluetooth doesn't work.

[stoic ledge]

What gen C240 is it?

[astral trench]

2002

[stoic ledge]

@viral matrix don't change it then 😉

[viral matrix]

I wouldn't, but it already has cracks on it

So old

The car has been sitting for long time at some point

Only had 132k km on it when I bought the thing

[stoic ledge]

Cars that have been sitting a long time are always

[viral matrix]

82k miles for you 'murican folks

[stoic ledge]

Km > miles

Litteraly 😛

[viral matrix]

:P

[astral trench]

More accurate if nothing else.

[viral matrix]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Should change my arb links too

They're pretty worn out

common issue on mondeo's

[stoic ledge]

But I suggest you change it if it has cracks already, if it snaps the engine will be ruined

[viral matrix]

Not really

I'll only lose power steering, and charging

[astral trench]

My belt shred at idle after starting it....only lost like half the belt and was able to get it back on the spindles and limp it to a shop...ugh could have been so much worse.

[stoic ledge]

Aaaaaah that belt

[viral matrix]

Not timing belt

😄

[stoic ledge]

I was thinking the timing belt

^^

[viral matrix]

2.5 v6 has a timing chain

[indigo coral]

One of these weekends I need to do the timing belt on my RX300. Lol.

the guy we bought it from didn't do it when it was supposed to have been done, so it's overdue.

[viral matrix]

Changed the timing belt and water pump on my s40 myself

[stoic ledge]

Overdue timing belts are

[viral matrix]

Set me back only 80€

[stoic ledge]

I've got a timing chain so 😄

[indigo coral]

Was supposed to be done at 90k, the car is at 123k (oops)

I bought it at 115k

[astral trench]

I gave my '98 Ford Explorer away in partial trade for this car because it had dual timing chains and I'd have had to pull the engine to replace the rear one.

[stoic ledge]

Alternator belt was replaced last november (:

[viral matrix]

The altenator belt is stupidly long on V engines

😄

[stoic ledge]

A timing belt that is only 43k miles / 75k km overdue

[indigo coral]

yeah I know

that's why I need to do it 😛

[viral matrix]

Luckily the water pump has a separate belt

[indigo coral]

I'd just kinda wait but I recently found out that this car has an interference engine. (The ONLY version of the 1MZ-FE that was interference -.-)

tysm vvti

[viral matrix]

All volvo engines are interference engines

That's why I did the belt when I got the car

[stoic ledge]

Waiting for it to snap is never a good idea xD

[viral matrix]

Don't have to worry about the timing on this car

Just keep the oil clean and new

[stoic ledge]

^ important with chains, otherwise they csn stretch

[viral matrix]

Usually the chain tensioner doesn't get enough oil pressure if the oil gets dirty

And that's how you ruin your engine

I change mine every 10000-12000km's anyways

Oil is cheap

[stoic ledge]

Inb4 the 5k miles oil change gang returns xD

[viral matrix]

Well

if you use mineral oil

[astral trench]

I don't drive much so I just do it once every 6 months to keep it clean, if I do anything right in this damn car it's fresh oil.

[viral matrix]

Then 5k isn't too stupid

I changed the oil in my bike every 6000km's

Mainly because I beat the hell out of it

[stoic ledge]

I do it once a year which is about 15k km's

[viral matrix]

I did mine at 140k

now at 147

[astral trench]

Ugh I can't see myself on a bike.

[stoic ledge]

Did mine at 115k, now 119k (:

[viral matrix]

Used to drive 64km commute every day

[astral trench]

I'd drop faster than a $10k processor in Linus' hands.

[viral matrix]

Got loads of miles

[stoic ledge]

Yeah i've rather got 4 wheels instead of 2

2x37km = 74km a day

[viral matrix]

I've been riding a bike since I was 6, gotta love bikes

😄

Looking forward to buying something on the upcomming summer

[stoic ledge]

This bike?
https://www.batavus.nl/fiets-afbeeldingen/BC500550_H_C.tif?height=900&width=900

[astral trench]

I love the idea of being on one but I kinda love speed, and I know myself....I'd get stupid.

[viral matrix]

Lmao no

[stoic ledge]

xD

[viral matrix]

I started with ktm sx 50

😄

[astral trench]

So...you didn't need a playing card in the spokes?

[viral matrix]

Not really

Got enough noise anyways

😄

[astral trench]

😛

[viral matrix]

After that I got an 110cc cheapo pit bike

Currently I don't have anything else than the car

[stoic ledge]

Same

6'1" are rookie numbers xD

[viral matrix]

oof

I'm only 5'9"

[stoic ledge]

6'4" 😛

[astral trench]

It's not my fault @stoic ledge is this golden Adonis of the gods. I'm happy when my head doesn't touch the roof of my car as it is.

[stoic ledge]

I know that feeling xD

[viral matrix]

Gotta love being the smallest one of my friends, driving the biggest car

😄

[stoic ledge]

Meanwhile I'm driving the smallest car

[viral matrix]

I don't like small cars tho

[stoic ledge]

(not really but not far from it)

[viral matrix]

Big cars are comfortable

[astral trench]

Why am I picturing someone 5' tall driving a semi down the highway without a trailer?

[stoic ledge]

It's under 4 meters xD

||3.999 meter||

[viral matrix]

Mine's 4.7 meters

[stoic ledge]

It's not the size that matters 😏

[astral trench]

How does it go....

It's not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean.....yeah and it takes a long time to row to England in a row boat.

I should really stop paying attention to Discord while drinking. -_-

[viral matrix]

😄

[stoic ledge]

😂

[viral matrix]

it doesn't turn out too well

[stoic ledge]

Well could be worse xD

[astral trench]

Oh?

[stoic ledge]

Ask @viral matrix , it's not so bad imho (hence the Well could be worse xD

😛

[indigo coral]

going back to earlier, our Explorer Sport actually had to have significant warranty work done (to the tune of 9 thousand USD) because the timing chain stretched and damaged things.

(Glad it was under warranty)

[stoic ledge]

R.i.p

[indigo coral]

Seems to be all good now

First symptom was vibration/bumpy idle but it wasn't overly bad, then the CEL came on and it would hitch and shudder in acelleration

where it'd have power then it'd cut out for a sec then go again

So we took it to the dealer since it was still under warranty and they fixed it.

Powertrain warranty ends this summer though 😱

[stoic ledge]

Is it a common issue for those engines?

[indigo coral]

Somewhat, it's not super widespread (see: RX300 oil sludging) but it's not exactly unheard of

I use synthetics to help avoid the oil sludging though^

[stoic ledge]

Get a Carmax, bumper-to-bumper warranty®

[indigo coral]

Lol

Unlimited miles

bumper tooo bumper

warranty

[stoic ledge]

Exactly 😛

[indigo coral]

Doug Demuro's range rover was... the epitome of old range rovers 😛

What, like 20k in repairs?

[stoic ledge]

$21.276 xD

$3.899 for the warranty

So he save himself $17.377

Not too shabby

[shadow osprey]

Holy shit

[odd talon]

@indigo coral wait your RX300 still has a powertrain warranty?

[indigo coral]

No our explorer sport

Rx300 doesn't lol

@odd talon

[odd talon]

ah there we go

[patent basalt]

Picked up a 1993 bmw 325i getting into that for a while for a project oc is set in the side for now

[shadow osprey]

Old school

Nice

[patent basalt]

really love that body style went for a two door

[carmine summit]

E36s are great

my friend had one for a while but sold it to buy a snowmobile

[warm sparrow]

Old school is best school

Todays cars are so boring

[night current]

Ehh, I find a lot of modern cars cool imo.

[short chasm]

Modern cars are cool but most of them aren’t fun to drive

or look at

[night current]

Maybe because you guys aren't open minded about new cars....

[carmine summit]

I am

but older cars generally feel better

A 2002 Jetta TDI with like 80hp is way more fun to drive than a 2009 Jetta TDI with 140hp

Without driving a variety of cars it's hard to understand, but older cars generally connect to the road differently than new cars

[stoic ledge]

Well you feel more connected to everything

[carmine summit]

sort of

it's hard to explain

With the 2002 Jetta I know exactly where it is and what it's going to do

it does exactly what you want

It's hard to tell where the 2009 is and the ECU interferes with everything and it feels weird

[night current]

I mean, that's just one model of car though.

[odd talon]

@carmine summit you're also comparing hydraulic vs EPS

I actually like the mk5 chassis, but the mk4 does feel more connected

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge I don't understand

anything

this chat needs to be

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen what's wrong?

[shadow osprey]

Start understanding then

Modern cars are cool, but older cars are cooler

[fathom socket]

@shadow osprey That is a matter of opinion

[shadow osprey]

One that clearly the majority of this forum shares 😂

[fathom socket]

the majority of people also believe rwd is better in performance cars than awd, doesn't mean they are right lol

[shadow osprey]

I don’t remember saying that

[fathom socket]

i never said you 😛

[shadow osprey]

Also the general argument is fwd, not AWD

But I will say there’s probably a reason almost all cars from GT and up are RWD

[fathom socket]

yeah cheaper to build lol

[shadow osprey]

You think money is an issue on a formula 1 car?

I think you’ll understand if I don’t believe that

[fathom socket]

to be honest i have no experience with formula 1 cars so i can't comment

[shadow osprey]

Well they’re RWD

[fathom socket]

all my experience has been with cars i can drive on the street

err track lol

[shadow osprey]

Street != performance

[fathom socket]

it did with my cars 😃

[shadow osprey]

Ok well you failed to specify the application of said “performance car”

[fathom socket]

lol yes i did lol

[shadow osprey]

If you’re just dragging of a light then no shit

[fathom socket]

i never street raced

[shadow osprey]

You said “the majority of people believe RWD is better than AWD in performance Cars”

[fathom socket]

raced the drag sure lol

[shadow osprey]

Not on the street

[fathom socket]

every time i went toe to toe with an awd vehicle i lost

fwd and rwd

they could just simply put the power to the road better wit 4 tires

with

[shadow osprey]

What were you doing

[fathom socket]

what was i driving?

[shadow osprey]

No, what were you doing

Toe to toe on what

[fathom socket]

drag strip

[shadow osprey]

No shit

[fathom socket]

clarify what you want to know

[shadow osprey]

Where tf you raced, that’s what

You can’t just say AWD is better and not say under what circumstances

[fathom socket]

i raced on a drag strip in the city i was in, with a legit quarter mile track

[shadow osprey]

Cool. For most street cars an AWD will usually win, assuming power levels are similar

[fathom socket]

lit, marked and timed

[shadow osprey]

That’s just obvious

[fathom socket]

it's funny

[shadow osprey]

So why are top fuel cars RWD

[fathom socket]

my fwd was manual and even though it wasn't nearly as powerful as my rwd, nor as nice to drive, there are days i miss it just for the fun of it lol

[shadow osprey]

What about funny cars? Pro stock? Pro mod? Pro street? Alcohol? Even top diesel dragsters are RWD

[fathom socket]

I'd say it all breaks down to money

[shadow osprey]

Well I’d say you’re wrong

[fathom socket]

ok why?

i ask out of general curiousity to your thoughts

[shadow osprey]

The fastest drag cars have been RWD basically since the NHRA was founded. I would say you have to argue the point you’re making because mine is already proven, given that a lot of guys who know a lot more than me determined to run RWD in their cars

[fathom socket]

i'm not arguing your point. You are right in the statement that all those groups are running rwd cars

[shadow osprey]

I know you’re not arguing my point... I said argue yours

What do you mean by it breaks down to money

For the average joe or top fuel?

[indigo coral]

Oh good news! I found out that the guy we bought my car from had the timing belt done, so its actually not old 😄

@stoic ledge

[fathom socket]

i'm speaking from my experience on a non professional level that awd has been better in comparison to the vehicles I have owned. When i have raced modified evo's and sti (most common awd here) in both my SRT4 (340ish hp, at the engine never dynod, and SRT8 500 engine 368.1 at the wheel) i could never get off the line or catch them due to the fact they could dig in and push with all 4 wheels

and i think it would come down to money cause a rwd would be cheaper to maintain and rebuild than awd when you have rebuild and maintain that gear a lot more than a normal car

[shadow osprey]

Yeah, I’m not disagreeing with the first part

For the average joe, the best way to decrease your 60ft is put the truck in 4wd lol

As for the second part, I’m assuming that refers more to racing teams with real money, right?

[fathom socket]

yes

i'm sure professional vehicles aren;'t cheap lol

in any sense lol

[shadow osprey]

So i would put money on the chance that someone has already done a cost-benefit analysis of not only the maintenance of each system, but also the drivetrain losses on each, the complexity of each, and how much of a difference it would really make.

My guess is they decided RWD was better

Top fuel teams are worth hundreds of millions of dollars each

[fathom socket]

and you are more than likely right i'm sure they have done all the research on it. you get get no argument from me

on that point lol

[shadow osprey]

So then we don’t disagree about anything

[fathom socket]

lol

[shadow osprey]

😂 glad we settled it

[fathom socket]

i actually never stated anything about professional / non professional or awd / rwd

you said

Modern cars are cool, but older cars are cooler

thats the one i was disagreeing with

we just went out on this tangent lol

[shadow osprey]

You started the whole AWD is better than RWD. Don’t make me copy pasta your text

[fathom socket]

lol

[shadow osprey]

Don’t even try to play that card

[fathom socket]

lol

i wasn't planning on going on that one

originally i was planning on comparing my srt8 to my cousin's car he was rebuilding lol

[shadow osprey]

What car is that

Also SRT-4s are pretty cool. They get a lot of hate for some reason... probably the engine blowing up a lot or something

Got any pics?

[fathom socket]

it was some 1960s something with no power steering, no power brakes, but made a lot of noise and was heavy as hell, made my 300c look light lol

they get a lot of hate cause dodge didn't maintain the parts for them due to their contract with Mercedes ending

and things like the clutch blowing up with no replacements made

[shadow osprey]

Ah hard to find parts. Rip

[fathom socket]

and then the throwout berrings were made by a company that was contracted to mercededs and when the dodge contract ended they stoped making throwout berrings for the car

[shadow osprey]

Didn’t know it was a MB venture. Thought it was an in-house dodge thing, though I’m not surprised it isn’t

[fathom socket]

nope, i ended up blowing my clutch after 30k km

it sat at the dealership for 2 and half months for the throwout berring alone

sec let me find the pics

the srt 4 with or without the LED i wired into the frame

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/277467_10150305788687463_1322368_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=c37087aca5620d9f02bb17df165938dd&oe=5CE0A95D

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/457670_10150849196187463_959140423_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=538f7806102358659cf841fff569271f&oe=5CDD25AE

do you want to see the LEDs in the daylight on night time, both show how overkill i did it lol

[shadow osprey]

Oh it was a caliber