And I use to watch hoovie
#cars
gray fox
vital glen
Quirks and Features man, quirks and Features
gray fox
When the quirks are an in dash EQ
That a 30 year old.man shouldn't be amazed by likes he's never seen something without a touch screen
gray fox
still sapphire
shadow osprey
I always knew drifting trucks would become popular
twin socket
I don’t like them tbh
stoic ledge
For some reason the beginning of the gif looks like they are going backwards
still sapphire
Eurobeat intensifies
night current
^
vital glen
@shadow osprey I mean...
short slate
The fun continues
verbal lodge
That's awesome there's other car peoples here
short slate
Car (2000 Chrysler 300M) wouldn't start with the battery reading 12.4v a few days ago. Jump forward to today, had a friend jumpstart my car. Everything ran normally for around 30 mins, I was reading 14.4v with the car running. At around 30 mins, the car abruptly shut off. No lights or anything would come on except for the oil pressure light that comes on when you turn the key. Couldn't get the dome lights or anything else to come on.
Checked the voltage again, got 5.5v off the battery.
Any ideas? I'm thinking maybe the battery is completely fucked and won't take a charge.
When my friend was jumpstarting my car, we gave it a solid 5-10 mins beforehand and it was doing the same shit as last time. (Lights came on perfectly, but when I tried to start the engine, the lights would dim when the starter tried to go, but the starter wasn't getting enough to do anything.) It wouldn't start until I had my friend hold their RPM a bit higher.
short slate
Thanks
gray fox
Sounds like a failed batt
Sounds like a wet cell bat as well. Ditch that shit and get an AGM
short slate
Correct
short slate
Current battery is well under warranty, so lucky for me, I can take it back and get a refund
Any AGM battery suggestions? @gray fox (Chrysler 300M 3.5L V6) Would prefer to stay close to $125 USD if possible. (Needs to be top post, size 34)
atomic cedar
Not sure you're gonna find one for under 150
short slate
I can stretch a bit, but around $200 is my absolute limit.
atomic cedar
No side terminals: https://www.samsclub.com/sams/auto-group-24-34agm-36-mo-free/prod9510079.ip?xid=plp_product_1_18
Nah, I still see Sam's everywhere
atomic cedar
You might still be able to cheat by buying a gift card
gray fox
@short slate go to Advanced
Or AutoZone
I've got a Duralast AGM in my Magnum
Was like 200 after dropping off the old batt
atomic cedar
gray fox
And the magnums got a huge fuck off Batt
short slate
Autozone shows a Duralast Platinum for $194 with mediocre reviews
gray fox
@short slate I've had mine for 4 years now
No issues
I also live in IL where it gets below zero in the winter
short slate
MI, gets pretty cold here too
atomic cedar
Most batteries are made by the same company, so it probably doesn't matter too much as long as you stay in the same tier
gray fox
Yeah
Duralast is made by the same company that makes Batts for DieHard
I also have a Duralast AGM in the wife's Jeep
Is your 300M a Special
short slate
It says special on it but I haven't found anything indicating to the existence of a 2000 300M Special
I think whoever owned it before the person I bought it from must've slapped the decal on there to try getting more for it
gray fox
Does it have the actual 300 M special badge
Or just an autozone "special" badge
Also easy way to check are your trim plates on the dash and door "carbon fiber"
shadow osprey
"steve why do you leave your tow mirrors out"
"that's cause I'm always pullin pussy"
gray fox
'its ok she's my sister's cousin...not my cousin"
shadow osprey
^
gray fox
"automatics where made for drinkin' beers while shiftin' gears"
short slate
Nah, it's not the actual special badge
gray fox
@short slate I always liked the 300M is just came out at the wrong time. The LH platform was suppose to be adapted to RWD for the 2000 model year but the 99 charger concept on the LHX platform changed that since they where spending money on making a new RWD chassis and a new power plant. So they just kept the LH fwd for the last 4 years of it's life since the LHX (later LX) was in design
gray fox
short slate
The 300M, aside from being a pain in the ass to repair, and the fairly large size, is a fairly nice car
stoic ledge
Found it a bit strange looking to be honest
gray fox
The Special is a pretty fun car to drive. 255 hp up from 234 and 258 lb-ft of torque
Would have been better with the planned RWD and 5 speed
@stoic ledge it was very different but I likes the LH atyling for the most part. Stuff like the intrepid and Stratus where bland but the LHS and 300M looked nice and the Stratus R/T and Avenger looked good
Special was also suppose to become a Dual Cam as apposed to a single
And get one extra vale per cylinder but again the development of the hemi made that pointless
Stratus R/T
gray fox
I take that back the second gen intrepid R/T looked pretty nice. 90s but nice
@stoic ledge it's an eclipse so yeah
gray fox
Though it's just the chassis. Drive train and suspension are all mopar
The 2.7 makes more power then the 4 banger in the eclipse
Also we where going to get an Intrepid R/T wagon in 2004...take a guess why that didn't happen. :)
stoic ledge
Because US manufacturers almost never make a wagon ? xD
gray fox
No
04 was when the LX chassis was unvield at the Detroit auto show with the hemi powered 300C and Magnum R/T
We got a better wagon
stoic ledge
Ah, that makes sense
gray fox
The early 2000s where a big time for Chrysler. The second gen LH only lasted 4 years while the first gen lasted a decade. Hey decided to scrap the LHX (RWD cloud cars) and take some of the design and make a new chassis called the LX
stoic ledge
The even sold cars here in the early 2000's
gray fox
I know the LH was made with the 10 meter rule (that's the name right) in mind
Same with the LX
Issue was diamler had no real desire to push them in Europe
stoic ledge
Actually not even that bad in terms of sales number's, about the same as Jaguar/Dacia/Mitsubishi here today
10 meter rule ?
gray fox
Being a certain length
Let me look it up. It's the reason alot of American cars aren't sold their
stoic ledge
Okay
gray fox
Sales for the magnum
2004 39,217
2005 52,487
2006 40,095
2007 30,256
And 07 was when they announced the 08 face lift and then the cancellation
Hardly the sales flop Diamler portrayed it as
04 was only a half year as well
It sold about as many units as the entire Plymouth division did it's last year
stoic ledge
Oof
gray fox
It was axed cause the Diamler brass hated the LX they saw it as stealing entry level E class sales givne you got more car for the same price
Like why get a V6 e class when you.can get a Fully optioned V8 300C that looks better
And cost almost 10K less
gray fox
Actually they made money either way
Issue was diamler flet they OWNED Chrysler not that they murgered or that Chrysler owned them
Cause let's be real. Diamler was on the verge of bankruptcy before the merger
They needed it bad
gray fox
Like if they haddend merged Benz would have been dead by 05-06
stoic ledge
That could be very true, I've got no idea tbh
gray fox
They mereged under the notion that Chrysler was gonna keep making cheap FWD cars like they had been that would threaten the Benz brand
gray fox
The merger happened in 97 right as Chrysler was talking about making RWD prefomace cars again
That scared diamler
@stoic ledge and broke down the minute the warranty expired
A rwd 300M special with a manual was an E-class fighter
stoic ledge
I'd buy one xD
gray fox
They where happy when that talk ended but got even more scared when it became a RWD V8 300C
gray fox
08
stoic ledge
Ah, then the dutch wiki is wrong :p
gray fox
Yeah and Benz bled them for.as much as they could asfter sabotaging their line up as much as possible
Looks better then any early 2000s Benz to be honest
stoic ledge
Yeah not really a fan of the ±2000 Mercedes'
stoic ledge
The Special trims looks pretty good if i'm honest
I don't think the newer ones look bad, but I wouldn't buy one
gray fox
Even after a decade this looks beautiful
@stoic ledge the non special isn't as pretty
The funny thing the M and the C where on dealer floors side by side for a short time
stoic ledge
300C was also sold here... But most often when you see them now, they are converted to a limousine
Often in pink
gray fox
I don't think the M had much of a chance when that happens
stoic ledge
Yeah C > M anyday
gray fox
And this beat and Intrepid R/T
stoic ledge
Looks cool.. but looks rather small in the back due to the sloping roof, or isn't it ?
Maybe looks deceive ?
gray fox
It's not. Back seats have good space and the cargo area is big
The high belt line makes the roof look lower.
Back shot
stoic ledge
Probably the belt line indeed
Discord is kinda borked...
One of the last American wagon's isn't it ?
gray fox
Yeah
stoic ledge
vital glen
@gray fox Can you reasonably fit 5 full grown males in a 2001 Civic comfortably?
gray fox
Sounds like a moron
vital glen
It's just a little cramped
gray fox
A 95 would be a bit better but less safe
vital glen
I care about looks, I spent 300 dollars on my car
I want better fuel economy, but I care about looks more
vital glen
A lot of thing do
gray fox
But that is cheap
Like a grand can get you a nice base
4K will get the pictured special
stoic ledge
01 Civic is a sedan probably ?
Don't know if they sold the Hatchback over there
Get a Civic Aerodeck xD
gray fox
@stoic ledge not comfortablely
Also if he wants "race car" and comfortable get an Acura Legend
stoic ledge
Get a Buick Park Avenue Ultra (:
gray fox
I mean that's not a bad idea. It is pretty quick and comfortable but you could get a Buick Lacrosse Super instead
Just as comfortable but has a LS4
stoic ledge
Aren't those more expensive ?
gray fox
No. Like 4-5k
gray fox
And you get 303 HP
The Lacrosse is kinda ugly though
GM stood no chance. They launched the same year 2004 and no one even rembers the V8 body's aside from the Grand Prix GXP and the Monte Carlo SS.
The Impala SS and Lacrosse Super are pretty much forgotten
stoic ledge
Yeah rhe Lacrosse looks much older
gray fox
I remember seening them at the 04 Chicago auto show
No one was talking about the V8 W body's. The LX stole the show for he domestics. I remember you had to wait like an hour to sit in a 300 or Magnum
gray fox
And this is waht cadillac was trying to compete using this
stoic ledge
American GM's looked quite old then tbh
warm sparrow
what are these ugly cars?
warm sparrow
the only superior cars i know are these
short slate
the most superior
stoic ledge
RX7 i could agree.. MX5 not so
Don't get me wrong, fun cars
But they are
a) Too small
b) Too slow
warm sparrow
😍
stoic ledge
(:
short slate
Hit it with an LS swap 
warm sparrow
i like all cars but but i like more japanese cars
american cars are cool but not the ugly ones up here
and japanese are still better
short slate
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of a lot of American cars
stoic ledge
Every American ever: LS swap it
short slate
^^
warm sparrow
(i'm talking about sport cars / muscle because "normal" american cars are often ugly or too big or both)
anyway it was better in the past :p
short slate
stoic ledge
Lol xD I need that
short slate
have at it
warm sparrow
i don't have nitro neither
stoic ledge
warm sparrow
on discord but i do in my car
stoic ledge
Just photoshop paint it like last time
warm sparrow
now i want to photoshop all my car 🤔 i will probably try it tomorow because now i don't have time
i will put big wheels, slick tires, big blower, NOS
everything you need on a diesel 90hp car
stoic ledge
Don't forget some decals, those easily add 60hp
flint sable
My dad has 2001 boxter
shadow osprey
Expect snow pics of the truck tomorrow, it’s coming down good
fathom socket
@warm sparrow wouosbypu be able to do some photo shop on my car to change the trim and rim colors
I'm. Going to wrap this car but I don't want to put forth all the work without getting a idea as what it would look
gray fox
@vital glen how does it feel knowing that it took Chrysler to bring back not only style but the V8 to American cars
@stoic ledge though to be 100% fair this was cadillac all new RWD offering in 04/05
Powered by the 4.6 shitstar and the later v model the 4.4 blow shitstar. Both of which the 5.7 and 6.4 hemi walked all over despite the LX weighing about 300-400 pounds more.
shadow osprey
@gray fox How does it feel to know that Crown vics used V8s for their entire production run, and that Ford was never bailed out by the government (not not once, but not twice), and that Ford is the only one of the big 3 to have sold a pony car each year continuously since it's release?
stoic ledge
@gray fox Ah I tought you said the Deville was an all new for 2005, frankly I had no idea so I believed you 😂 Turns out it's a 1999/2000 😛 STS looks waaaay more modern, and pretty good if i'm honest
north glen
@stoic ledge the mx5 is more about the driving feel and agility over power/performance
going around corners fast is more exciting then going fast in a straight line imo
stoic ledge
Yes I know, but I've driven a mates MX5 NA around a track (Zolder, Belgium), and imho it needs more power
gray fox
@shadow osprey
@stoic ledge well while the DeVille was 1999/2000 that was actually a DTS which while the "same" car was marketed as new cause that's a smart idea. Also yeah the STS looks a lot nicer it's still not as nice as the 300. Also that limey made N* should have been aborted back in 93
gray fox
Given that the STS and CTS just launched on the rear drive Sigma Chassis I'm surprised GM didn't phase out the ancient W-body and use it for the Lacrosse, Impala, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix. Would have been a smart moved and probably help sell the cars
odd talon
@gray fox maybe. But during those years RWD fell out of fashion. Ford and GM seemed to be trying to mimic whatever Toyota and Honda were up to.
I should clarify. RWD seemed to be less prevalent on regular family vehicles.
Especially since FWD removed the need for a transmission tunnel and therefore improved interior packaging
Additionally FWD was better in snow for most people.
gray fox
True but trying to pack the 5.7 LS4 into the W-body was a shit idea
Also using unequal length drive shafts on all but the Lacrosse Super was another genius move
vital glen
@gray fox I will buy a 2001 Monte Carlo, and slap in a Mercury Marine crate engine in it
odd talon
I always loved the wheels from that gen Monre Carlo
vital glen
The spoked rims?
vital glen
You need help
odd talon
probably
see i actually like that
but i also thought the Lumina was a pretty good car
very smooth
vital glen
GM killed the Monte Carlo with the W body
gray fox
@vital glen have fun trying to do that
Also the double cam 4.6 is a pos
Ask a murader owner how many engines they've gone through, will at least be three
Never mind you said Mercury Marine
vital glen
Lol
gray fox
@vital glen looked like you said Mercury Marauder when the notification popped up and I was like "Boi is you special or something?"
@vital glen GM killed all there cars with the W-body
vital glen
@gray fox I don't care about all their cars, just the Monte Carlo
gray fox
vital glen
Stop
stoic ledge
@gray fox GM often maked some wierd choices. Look at Opel, losing money for over 20. Now PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) bought the company, and within a year they were already making a profit. How bad is GM's management team if PSA can do something in a year what GM couldn't in 20 years?
odd talon
@stoic ledge Horrible.
Look at their issues with Saab.
Bought an interesting company, then ruined it.
At least GM makes the LS.
stoic ledge
Latest Saabs were just Opel's... With many different parts on it making completely different thus too expensive
But yeah really sad Saab didn't make it
9-5 NG was pretty cool, SportCombi would have been even cooler
sharp wasp
Saab was a very cool brand , to bad they ruined it
Some of the last saab SUV was in fact Subarus with saab face
Good base for a sleeper , lol
stoic ledge
9-4x was a Cadillac SRX. 9-2x was a Impreza. 9-7x was a Chevrolet Trailblazer
gray fox
GM hasn't had a clue since 1974
gray fox
@vital glen why are they so many people that ask how much is involved in converting and SXT LX to and R/T
vital glen
@gray fox 'cuz they can dew it 'dem selves with some goo gone and some shiny silver lettering
gray fox
Yeah no
They get confused when you tell them it's not just an engine swap it's a full power train swap from trans to diff, and new shocks, sway bars (adding sways in the SE's case) and brakes as well
vital glen
https://www.chromeemblems.com/auto-emblems/letters-numbers
https://www.amazon.com/Goo-Gone-Original-Liquid-Adhesive/dp/B00006IBNJ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547414209&sr=8-3&keywords=goo+gone
https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Tools-17002-2-Piece-Multi-Purpose/dp/B00132H4OE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1547414221&sr=8-4&keywords=scraper
ez
@gray fox look at that swap
ez as pie
honest yarrow
whats a good car i should buy for p1 license brand new?
shadow osprey
@odd talon i has a lumina for my first car. Had some weird problems, kinda expensive. Ignoring that it was nice though. Comfy, spacious, easy to drive and a fairly soft suspension. Double bench seats were nice for when you wanted the space too. 97 3.1L V6 auto
Ayy that’s dope
tired jasper
He's pretty frickin' awesome.
shadow osprey
Yeah I’ve heard he’s a nice guy
tired jasper
A class act, for sure.
He was totally there to just hang out.
This was the Future Classics Auto Show in Scottsdale today.
gray fox
Is he the dude that crowed funded so he could buy a new 4 banger stanger?
carmine summit
Afer years of scouring the internet, I have made a decision as to what the coolest trucks ever are
Extended crew cab 73-91 Chevy and GMCs
tired jasper
@gray fox I don't believe so.
He's the guy who has a 2014 S197 Mustang and a 2Jz-swapped 240 in grabber blue, and a Silvia.
carmine summit
gray fox
@tired jasper was his mustang on regular car reviews
gray fox
Legit I don't care I just remember the internet loosing its mind about it
gray fox
@carmine summitv so it's an 8
carmine summit
Yes
gray fox
Not the Eco boost
carmine summit
He test drove an ecoboost
gray fox
Ok
carmine summit
A modified ecoboost
tired jasper
He test drove a ton of cars. lol
gray fox
Guy everyone was spazzing about crowed funded under sketcky pretenses and bought a 4 banger
Stills you gave him the money so...
tired jasper
sketchy? Not David.
carmine summit
David's cool
gray fox
I don't know. I don't follow the drama shit I got better things to do. Just see the comment section bullshit
carmine summit
tired jasper
David's an extremely awesome class act.
gray fox
All I know is Tavarish/Freddy moved to Florida to fulfill a life long dream
@vital glen back me up on this
@stoic ledge you too
vital glen
@gray fox ok
stoic ledge
@gray fox ok
And the GLE is a classed as a SUV I think, not a cross-over
GLE is the ML but they changed the name, so they can make more SUV/cross-overs
shadow osprey
lol
brave totem
AWD Windsor 
civic spoke
Frosty.
vital glen
ice ice baby
novel wind
under pressure
carmine summit
why would anyone waste an Audi 5000 by swapping in a 302
brave totem
@carmine summit Original engine was blown IIRC
hardy heart
I have a Peugeot 208, would really like to be able to purchase a Tesla but don't have enough money 😦
stoic ledge
Get a 208 GTi, more fun for a much lower price :D
carmine summit
Just get something lightweight with decent power
Yeah, Teslas are fast, but if you buy a roadster you aren't gonna be going 0-60 in 1.9 seconds all the time
Most of the time will be normal driving
If you get something light with an ok amount of power you can have just as much fun, if not more.
vital glen
@carmine summit YoU hAve To BuY tHe ElEcTrIc TuGbOaT
stoic ledge
208 GTi is quite light weight (1100kg) + a 1.6 Turbo with 200hp, so it's pretty nippy
Comparable to a Fiesta ST for you Americans
hexed arrow
my Hyundai coupe is 1600kg & 2.0 petrol with 140bhp 
shadow widget
magic arrow
@vital glen @stoic ledge https://www.instagram.com/p/BsmBfc3lkOg/
I'm actually really proud of this one https://www.instagram.com/p/BsnZUVwlNzz/
it is FULL of tech....maybe to a fault
but EVERYTHING is customizable
magic arrow
LOL
actually this one is $61500 MSRP
i mean...a loaded MDX is right there too
i think the biggest waste was the non V8 Levante
it's actually my newest youtube video 😄
stoic ledge
@magic arrow wow that GLE looks amazing in red ! Too bad people will only buy it in black, gray, silver or navy blue
Levante also looks good imho, especially in that color !
vital glen
@stoic ledge All I see is green
stoic ledge
@vital glen Green ? Where ? xD
I've just checked, of all GLE's for sale in my country, 98.5% is black, gray, silver or blue.
1.5% is red, and 0% is green xD
In entire Europe, 95.8% is black, gray, silver or blue 😂
Actually, there are 0 green GLE's for sale in Europe
lime copper
Guess someone missed the no shitposting rule.
stoic ledge
Who's shitposting ? 
vital glen
@stoic ledge as in $$$$
fathom socket
What I'm legit buying for my first car
carmine summit
An HMMWV would be a better daily
stoic ledge
Pretty expensive 😮
night current
Dude, that OT-64 SKOT looks like BEAST
warm sparrow
it's cheap af
stoic ledge
@warm sparrow I suggest trading in your 307 for that
stoic ledge
@vital glen How bad ? 4 MPG ?
stoic ledge
That's not that bad, I expected worse tbh
vital glen
Though, apparently I have heard that with a turbo you can get like 20-25
And, Humvees get 10
And 7
stoic ledge
20-25 😮 That's amazing
vital glen
I get higher than average fuel economy from my h1 because I got some really inflated tires
It's at 60-65psi
vital glen
Tire is rated for 20-70psi
stoic ledge
Pretty sure my tires won't hold at those pressures
vital glen
I drop them to 2bar on sand, 3bar offroading and 4.1bar highway
And because internal air compressor system
It takes no time at all
stoic ledge
Yeah those systema are nice
I don't even have TPMS
I've got them at 2.4 and 2.1 bar i think ? So 35 and 30 psi
fathom socket
I drive a 96 f250 7.3 diesel and it gets 22 wherever, but the back spings are so stiff the whole thing bounces like youre in a permanent bouncy castle
ford did not make theese in mind of light loads
stoic ledge
Isn't that with most truck ? They ride better with something in the back / while towing a trailer ?
fathom socket
not all of em
ive driven a handful of lighter duty trucks with empty beds and they werent so bad
like a f150 single cab and a stock toyota tacoma
at least here in the states a lot of light duty trucks never see dirt
im just glad i have a secondary car while im re doing the interior of the f250,
fathom socket
01 v70 xc
I picked it up with a lot of small issues, and a bad brake sys
replaced the lines to the calipers, master and booster,
other stuff was a evap purge solenoid, cam sensor, upper motor mount, plugs and coils, vvt solenoid, i feel like there was other stuff but id have to check my matinence folder
fathom socket
not as bad as some cars ive worked on
the all aluminum bosch v8s in the discos gave me back problems
stoic ledge
But once sorted, they are nice comfortable cars
fathom socket
volvos? most definitley
stoic ledge
Yeah the Volvo
fathom socket
the p2 is one of the last gens before gm took over, and theyre super smooth
and most of the stuff is easy to get to
i mean the oil pump you dont even have to drop the pan to get
stoic ledge
Wait P2 ?
fathom socket
yeah thats the chassis model
stoic ledge
Ah wow didn't know
fathom socket
yeah, what do you drive?
fathom socket
gm bought out volvo at one point
stoic ledge
Wasn't that Ford ?
stoic ledge
Saab was GM
fathom socket
yeah, youre probably right on ford/volvo
stoic ledge
I was confused xD
fathom socket
but the general ease of repair definitley took a steep downhill tumble in the mid 00s
stoic ledge
But they are safe when you drive then into a wall 😉
fathom socket
always have been, always will
but good lord they are not cheap anymore to fix or buy
stoic ledge
Never were, never will
fathom socket
hmm not really
the p2 for me has been decently cheap for a car that runs, drives and stops well and has good a/c
i mean i paid way under market value for it
and here in the states they dont go for too much, so a good one can be had for a decent number
especially higher mile older models
stoic ledge
Yeah really high milers go for cheap
fathom socket
yeah around the 200k mark
stoic ledge
Low/normal keep their value, IF well maintained
fathom socket
most do, even high meilage ones if well kept dont loose too much off market value
stoic ledge
I know a guy with a V90, almost 700k km (which is ±400k miles ? And he sold it I thought 5k 2 days ago
fathom socket
what year?
fathom socket
must have been really clean
fathom socket
nice!
stoic ledge
But there are V90's with 250k km (150k miles) for sale for €15k 😂
Yeah those were of a V70 if I recall correct
Looks super nice under a V90 imho
fathom socket
they do look nice!
im personally a fan of a smaller rim taller tire
ie: the v70 xc called to me
stoic ledge
V70 XC did have smaller wheels stock
So did the V90
It depends on the car... Those larger rims under a V90 give it a more modern look
V70 XC has those 16" 6-spoke rims ?
vital glen
@fathom socket got to get the lift kit
fathom socket
@vital glen no need, its plenty high as is
magic arrow
my actual daily is an T8 XC90 @vital glen @fathom socket
but i miss older volvos, the new Sensus system is terrible
fathom socket
reasons to keep the p2s and older alive
shadow osprey
@stoic ledge You'd be surprised what a clean wagon will sell for to the right person here in the US. Dunno where that was but still
fathom socket
a clean 01 xc70 with all options and low miles will go for 6k or more
mine is worth 4500 as it is
even with the door ding from getting backed into at the local kroger
i also live in HIPSTER TOWN
anything volvo, land rover, or mercedes has a inflated price here
as long as theyre sorted
anything busted goes for dirt
people here really really hate fixing their own stuff
shadow osprey
Must be god business for the local shops though
drifting spade
RIP seats
fathom socket
@shadow osprey it is and for me a mobile mechanic
shadow osprey
True
wheat hatch
odd talon
I'd like to know how it compares to the mk4
REALLY interested
Also how much of it is BMW vs Toyota
fathom socket
reasons i dont buy new
wheat hatch
@odd talon Well interior wise it's bmw
odd talon
iDrive...
wheat hatch
and the platform is going to be comparable to the Z4 if i did understand correctly
odd talon
yeah
odd talon
this doesn't really feel like an MK5
the MK4 just felt special
even at launch
this just doesn't
wheat hatch
It feels more like a GT86 or something along those lines
wheat hatch
^+1
wheat hatch
CBA to do R&D for a new inline six... Let's take a BMW and just put our badges on it!
stoic ledge
@shadow osprey probably the same as here, good maintaned go for a lot, otherwise they are worthless
@magic arrow XC90 T8, nice ! Pic ? 😉
Most XC90's here are T8's because they are cheaper then both the D5 and T5. T6 isn't even sold here
stoic ledge
About the Supra: €65k will be €86k here 
stoic ledge
Jeeeej It's MK 
wheat hatch
I'm just sad that the interior even had to be BMW
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the BMW interior, but I had hoped that they would at least have their own touch on it... 😦
shadow osprey
The mk5 isn't a successor though, that's the only real reason it doesn't feel like a mk5. Cause it's not a mk5 lol
It's just a cash grab at the name
We were talking about it on the forums
stoic ledge
Yeah it's all just BMW parts
shadow osprey
It's a BMW with a Toyota Badge
wheat hatch
^+1
wheat hatch
The formula is in their archives, but they can't be bothered to dig it up... 😦
Now MK4 prices will Skyrocket (maybe)
shadow osprey
I wouldn't say skyrocket
wheat hatch
shadow osprey
they'll go up a bit no doubt
but that's just cause of the initial cupcake phase
Then everyone will remember they're not in their mid-life crisis anymore and it'll steady out
But I can sure as hell kiss my dreams goodbye lol
wheat hatch
stoic ledge
They are gonna sell it with a 2.0 T too 😛
As it turns out, the Supra 3.0T only has €15k of emissions-tax, so it will be €80k instead of the €85k I stated earlier (: (: (:
stoic ledge
warm sparrow
New supra is on sale ?
Let me grab my credit card so i don't buy it because It's too expensive, not very good looking and the old supra mkIV is muuuch better
Oh and a little detail, i don't really have 85K
In fact i strictly don't have 85K
Not even 30
Or 20
shadow osprey
The real fact is... It will never be as good as a MK4 simply due to the trans not being able to hold 1200hp stock like the V160
wheat hatch
stoic ledge
Oh they've got pricing on their website I see now: €81.995 for the base model here (: (:
€62.900 in Germany, no pricing on French sites, nor the American website
But yeah, we've got a €19k price premium (: (: (+30%)
honest yarrow
so im getting my first car in 9 months and im wondering what descrete mods i could do to a subaru imprezza 2019-2020 model
odd talon
@warm sparrow But much of it is about the myth.
In the 90s information was rare and that just added to the mythology.
Yes, the mk4 Supra's engine and trans can be modified to make a lot of power.
But BMW's N54 in some ways is the modern-ish variant.
@honest yarrow Don't mod it at all.
Not at first anyway.
stoic ledge
Just some nice rims, preferably OEM's and keep it that way
Or add things like a fluffy pink steeringwheel cover and hang some dices on your mirror
fathom socket
@honest yarrow leave it as is
odd talon
As the car and you get older
there are minor things you can play with on the cheap
ARB (anti roll bars), suspension, brakes, brake fluid
But the car stock is pretty well sorted
learn to drive first, if you're young
pulling the abs fuse is also a fun mod. (not for regular use obviously)
stoic ledge
Brand new car as a first car
stoic ledge
How the f*** can you afford that ?
odd talon
?
stoic ledge
How can someone afford a brand new car as their first car ?
stoic ledge
odd talon
but a bunch of my friends used loans or started businesses when they were young
none of this is impossible, really
its a ~$20,000 purchase not 2mm
stoic ledge
Yeah I know, but people around me were declaring me crazy for buying a car of "just" 4.5 years old
odd talon
depends on where you grow up
but there are advantages to giving a new driver a new car
much less to go wrong
as the car ages it might have problems, and new drivers aren't attuned to that
if I had a kid driving, I'd try to get them a new economy car
or a CPO
stoic ledge
I don't know much parents which can buy their kids a brand new car tbh
Actually only know 1 guys
Whose parents have got a S65 AMG LWB
20 now
College
- working on the weekends
Yeah it's kinda hard doing that around here
Computer Science
Just wait brb in 10 minutes
😉
Gotta eat xD
shadow osprey
Everyone around me condemns me for buying cars that are 15+ years old. Sorry I don't like much made after 2002 lol
I bought the cleanest truck I could find for the price I paid, and everyone was like "wow your trucks so old"
Yeah, and it'll be here long after you wrap yours around a tree
warm sparrow
That's not Europe @stoic ledge .... People are very different and it's not thé sale price
I understand you, i am like "wut" Just like you when i see that
They like having debts for their entre life
stoic ledge
@warm sparrow Yeah I know, but I don't like heaving debts xD Also, when you've got a lone for a car, it's really hard to get a mortgage for a house, or it's just really low
And Cereal I feel 'ya, only problem I had was that most older cars on LPG were just in really bad shape, because most of them were run on the cheap in the last years of their lifes. So I bougth a more recent, well maintained one ;)
carmine summit
Old stuff is good
carmine summit
When it comes to having an affordable daily, old stuff is the best
stuff goes wrong but fixing it is cheap
carmine summit
I can't afford stuff like that lol
odd talon
fair
carmine summit
first car's gonna be pretty inexpensive yet reliable and fuel efficient
just gotta put an engine together cause the one that's in it jumped timing
stoic ledge
Wow Leaf is already considered as a economy car ? 😂 A base one is more expensive then the average car here 😂
odd talon
Even a used 2015 leaf is a good buy
and those are about 10k
No ADAS
but still good
stoic ledge
Range is just **
odd talon
I don't think its that big of a problem for a commuter car
stoic ledge
And the new ones with just air cooled batteries 🤦
odd talon
that's why I said the 2019
they are finally going to active thermal management
The Chevy Volt might be a good value too, but I'm always wary of GM build quality
at least on anything that isn't a truck
stoic ledge
Really ? I thought the new large one still had crappy cooling
Chevrolet Volt / Opel Ampera-E is a pretty good
2015 Leaf has just 90 miles of real world range, that's enough for me on normal days but not always
carmine summit
electric cars still aren't quite worth it where I am
I live in a rural area so commutes are fairly far
stoic ledge
Yeah then you'll need stuff like a long range Tesla, i-Pace and so on
odd talon
ah I was wrong
carmine summit
those are expensive
carmine summit
I need a 1992 Volkswagen Jetta Diesel
stoic ledge
That's the biggest issue I've got with the Leaf
stoic ledge
Just VAGCOM Everything
odd talon
haha not just VCDS work
I'd like to retrofit a haldex system into a VW T4
I think the Haldex controller should be able to be run in standalone
stoic ledge
Yeah I'm not gonna be able to help you with that xD
odd talon
Yeah so I think its possible with some custom driveshafts
but I'm not sure how to execute
I have the chassis
stoic ledge
You want to convert it to a T4 Syncro ?
odd talon
No, not a synchro, but a haldex from a t5 or audi
the problem with the syncro system is that none of the syncro trans work with the vr6
stoic ledge
Yeah I wasn't sure, that's why I asked
odd talon
yeah np 😃
carmine summit
if it's already a syncro then you just need a subframe to hang the diff and driveshafts
odd talon
fwd
carmine summit
also you can probably get a trans from a VR6 Passat Syncro
the mounts for the rear subframe might already be there even on the 2wd version, I'd recommend doing a bunch of research on T4 forums
odd talon
that's the problem!
I've been on there for years
nobody has done anything similar to my knowledge
carmine summit
I know it's been done on MK2 Golf Syncros
odd talon
so here's the deal, my t4 has the vr6 (axk), ESP (stability control), and the 01M automatic
I want to convert it to either the 5 speed gearbox from a euro T4
but that STILL doesn't give me syncro
so that's why I wanted to go haldex
I know the mk2 guys did it
but not sure how to get around the brake controller issue
if you know anyone, I'm all ears.
carmine summit
there's some interesting info in this thread
odd talon
thinking about contacting Bisimoto
carmine summit
just get rid of it lol
odd talon
and none of the guys that have swapped in a trans has got the coding to work
ugh, ideally i'd keep it
carmine summit
the Haldex will take care of traction for you
odd talon
I know a BMW shop that can help me with that so not too worried
yeah true
but intelligent braking is nice
EBD especially
prevents dive
(EBD is electronic brakeforce distribution)
in case anyone was wondering
also that conversion is using the existing 01m
There's a guy that got a passat drivetrain working
i'll find the link
carmine summit
couldn't you just use a T5 transmission and get someone who's good with a VAG com to program it like a T5? should be pretty similar
carmine summit
yeah I know that feeling
carmine summit
Audi TT transmission
odd talon
i found one guy in atlanta, but we're not sure of the cost
because the cost has been $4000 (ok) to $75,000
like, that's a huge range
carmine summit
I like mechanical stuff
odd talon
i'm totally with you, if I could get a vr6 trans from an audi tt or vw r32 and bolt it up
i'd do it
carmine summit
doing swaps and stuff is fun but computers get in the way of stuff alot
odd talon
i mean i'm at the point where I might just throw out the stability control computer
and put in a standalone mk60
but idk how to do that conversion
i know bmw guys have done it
for the e46 bmw m3
carmine summit
just get some decent tires and get rid of the stability control
odd talon
Ah yes, but few will dedicate shop time to this
I've called MANY
i've been outright refused
carmine summit
just say you need a transmission replacement
odd talon
i did
carmine summit
and you already have a good transmission to go in
carmine summit
hm
odd talon
i'm serious
carmine summit
got any space to do it yourself?
shadow osprey
That’s cause it’s custom. I’d imagine it’s not a very common swap
If it were an LS and like a 4L80E then they might be a little more willing
You’ll have to take it to a custom shop anyways
vital glen
and watch them fuck it up once or thrice
odd talon
@shadow osprey it’s still not ultra custom though
Like it still bolts up
No adapters needed
shadow osprey
How do you know it bolts up
odd talon
Forums/both are vr6 engines
Checked around vwvortex etc
Obviously a Haldex swap is a bit nutty. But I figured a 1:1 trans swap would be okay
odd talon
The 2004-2008 models do
As does the Touareg, cayenne, and q7
Displacement is at 3.2 vs 2.8
shadow osprey
Oh you're talking about a golf R
odd talon
shadow osprey
tf you think an R32 means to 90% of the world
shadow osprey
All you said was "know anyone willing to put in an r32/tt trans into an old vw van?" I read that as R32 twin turbo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don't see why a custom shop wouldn't do it
odd talon
I don’t either.
I’m a serious and willing customer.
I’ve been turned away by basically every shop.
shadow osprey
walk in with a couple stacks
odd talon
Do you work on cars for a living?
In any case what are your thoughts on custom driveshafts
shadow osprey
No lol
That said, I see no problem with them. I've seen plenty on cars
and I've seen plenty break on cars
odd talon
Any idea who makes the best ?
shadow osprey
As long as it's not aluminum, you're fine
Any shop I guess
Go on the thread on the forum, you'll get a better answer there
odd talon
Which forum?
odd talon
Ok I’ll give it a shot.
fathom socket
i have to get my car through emissions to get new registration
the check engine comes on
its of course emissions related
fathom socket
im not
i saw this coming
this is just how my life plays out
its like a sitcom
but worse
and sitcoms are pretty bad
shadow osprey
You know, it's always been my dream to drift a traffic circle
fathom socket
a fun dream
illegal but fun
put up a cone circle in an adandoned lot
or track if you can get it
s'good enough
shadow osprey
Nah, not even close
fathom socket
if you can get away with it go for it
with my luck i could never
ive had cars snap in half on me just driving normally so im n ot even keen try messing with potential situations i could end up dealing with cops
shadow osprey
lol
fathom socket
yeah
also have you ever had a car throw both its cv axles at once?
its makes you feel like death is iminent
shadow osprey
You gotta be skilled to do that
fathom socket
200$ 93 accord
shadow osprey
I want a $200 running and driving car
fathom socket
i went from second to third and just BOOM
inner joints exploded and the car started freewheeling on a uphill
what state are you in?
fathom socket
oh man maryland
youd be hard pressed but if you scour craigslist and auctions you could get lucky
im in OR and i do that all the time
yeah it was horrible
i put my fourways on and just tried not to crash downhill
had to push it home a qtr mi
thankfully the busted cvs didint do too much damage
i replaced em, fixed some torn tubes and it continued
actually getting the stubs out of the transmission was the hard part
but the hardest?
degreasing the shit
nightmare
you know that engine degreaser stuff?
got most of the stuff out with about four cans of that and i gave up after that
ive always wanted another accord but i feel like i shoudlint test my luck
but boy do i want to
i really want an old lxi hatch
shadow osprey
one of the guys on the forum has an accord
fathom socket
oh?
shadow osprey
yeah I think its like a mid 2000s
fathom socket
theyre nice
but definitley not for me
really great base but the way they look and feel dont do it for me as a dd
odd talon
I think a good buy is any Honda with a bad transmission
From the 98-2004 era
Then swap in a 2006-2007 accord trans
fathom socket
to be completley honest any honda automatic is not worth a dime
all of them are weak
only way to go with hondas is standard
theyre convenient for a while but when they break they really do
shadow osprey
Friend of mine has I think a 95 or 96 stick sedan, and it has like 230k on it. Still runs great
fathom socket
yeah hondas make great engines and great manuals
especially if kept up they do so well
really though if somone really wants an automatic one way to make them last longer is changing the a/t fluid and filter 2/3rds to half the reccomended change interval
with a automatic i buy i usually change the oil and transmission fluid after i buy it then 500 mi later
thats a bit of a personal paranoia thing though
stoic ledge
Does Honda still make cars then ? 😂 Sales numbers here are so low, even Alfa Romeo sold more cars last year
fathom socket
they do, not sure where youre at but here in the us theyre still selling well since most people buying new are keeping them 3-5 years max
stoic ledge
Yeah I know they are selling big in the States
But there aren't may cars for the European market
Only the Civic and Jazz (Fit)
fathom socket
yeah if they arent doing well it makes sense theyd be cutting back
no point in putting stock somwhere where it will go stale
stares blankly at the airfeilds worth of unsold cars stateside
stoic ledge
More cars or on order here, pretty low stock
odd talon
never understood the CR-Z though
stoic ledge
To share their vision on hybrid cars ? Instead of making cars more eco using the electric motor to make it more fun.
Too bad it was neither: not fuel effecient and because it had too little power, not fun
Looked good tho
But it needed a bigger electro engine
shadow osprey
No one understands the CR-Z. Or HR-V for that matter
stoic ledge
Oh yeah the HR-V, I completely forgot that it exists
Way to expensive, at least it is here
So nobody buys it
carmine summit
The CR-Z is kinda cool
I know someone that used to have one
met them at autocross
this summer they sold it and bought a BRZ though
they liked the CR-Z but they wanted something RWD
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stoic ledge
hollow rose
@wheat hatch I do, not customer facing or in sales at all. IMO best time to buy if you want to get into a Tesla in the next 6-12 months
I also have a model 3, and can validate it as a vehicle
stoic ledge
They just started delivery of the Model 3 here last month
hollow rose
I was kind of disappointed that he got a volt over a model 3. I know Luke has an X, would of thought he would be a good avocate for Linus to get a Tesla. But his logic is sound on the purchase of a volt and that's his choice as a consumer. 😃
pastel crownBOT
stoic ledge
Well I think a Model 3 is more expensive then a 1 year old Volt, especially since you can't get the cheaper version
vital glen
@stoic ledge they rant on Apple for their supply chain, but Tesla has similar policies
shadow osprey
Luke has a model x?
I knew he was cool but not that cool
tempted to @ Luke but too scared I’ll be yelled at
shadow osprey
I don't think Dooley likes me much 🤔
stoic ledge
@vital glen Yeah I know, Linus also said that in his video as a reason why he didn't bought a Tesla.
Also yes, Luke has a Tesla Model X. You could see a section of the falcon doors in a Scrapyard Wars video apparently a differt video
lime copper
I don't even like myself. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
shadow osprey
You and I both, brother
fathom socket
things cooler than a tesla: an electric ford ranchero
i mean
look at that
add more batteries and youd have really somethin there
vital glen
No @fathom socket
fathom socket
Ok
To each their own hweels
for me, the simpler the ev is the nicer it is personally
maybe a dual din nav sys
fathom socket
until modern evs interior and ride qualities come up, i might as well go cheaper and have more fun with it yknow?
odd talon
Well
i'd rather have a tesla drivetrain and cooling
doesn't have to be 700hp
even the smaller front motor would be okay with me
fathom socket
oh yeah theres good drivetrain and cooling stuff outta teslas