cars

[vital glen]

I may be a v8 fanboy enthusiast, a straight six should be in a wrangler

[gray fox]

I love 8s but it's not for everything.

The 4.0 was nice but the powertech V6 was a nice replacement

More HP and more torque

And was smoother.

[vital glen]

I still enjoy what a straight 6 stands for

[gray fox]

Same

But it had a nice run

Like 1949 to 2001 or so

That AMC 191 was an old fucking geezer

[vital glen]

In my head I understand i4s, i6s, v8+
but not v6s

[gray fox]

The 191 traces it's roots back to the Nash straight 6 from the late 40s

[vital glen]

ah

[gray fox]

It was forged by ancient man in magma flows

[vital glen]

Though

cummins is still going strong

for the American straight 6 diesel

[gray fox]

The Inline 6 has a place but the issue is space. Passenger cars are small and a V6 makes more power weights less and takes up less space

And in a lot of cases can use the same tooling as a V8 sibling since most are 90 degree

[vital glen]

yeah they can

I understand

why they use v6s now

[gray fox]

The Power Tech 3.7 was the 4.7 V8s little bro

Both where AMC designs

[vital glen]

but I can't appreciate the v6 as much as a i6

[gray fox]

I get that

The V6 isn't sexy

Which to be fair is why I like the Powertech 3.7 cause it's a fucking workhorse motor. It doesn't sing (it sounds terrible when you try and pipe it) and it doesn't rev it makes all it torque down low.

[vital glen]

Didn;t it go into the cherokees?

[gray fox]

But it was designed as the replacement for the 191 straight six which didn't rev or sound nice and made all its power down low

No

[vital glen]

liberty

[gray fox]

No

It pre dates it by a few years

First showed up in the Dakota

And Durango base models

[vital glen]

ok

[gray fox]

Then the Liberty (all trims) and Grand Cherokee (base trim)

And it replaced the 191 in the Wrangler

[vital glen]

got it

The wranglers still have the

room in the engine bay

for the 191

[gray fox]

True but they won't dig that out

But I do agree a wrangler should have a noisy rough I6

But that wouldn't fly today

[vital glen]

start selling wranglers with the 12v cummins

I would want to see how that would go market wise

[gray fox]

The wrangler isn't the rough and tumble vehicle it use to be

You can get power everything, leather seats, touch screen infotainment, and a fucking heated steering wheel in a Wrangler

It's a car for Soccer moms

Not MOAB

[vital glen]

https://www.motor1.com/news/266985/diesel-jeep-wrangler-confirmed/

[gray fox]

A 2002 wrangler was almost identical to a 1992 wrangler which was pretty damn close to a 1982 CJ which was just like a CJ from 72

I doubt many will check that box but nice to see it as an option

[vital glen]

In the 2019 soccer mom jeep

they finally add a diesel

[gray fox]

Now compare a 2012 Wrangler to an 02

They are light years apart

[vital glen]

they really fucking are

Why is nissan doubling down

on their shitty cvts

[gray fox]

2002 wrangler

2012 wrangler

Those are vinyl sheets with cloth faces on the 02

Cause that's all Nissan really make now

[vital glen]

ofc

[knotty ore]

Everyones complaining about how bad Nissan is, when it's better than most car brands around today

[vital glen]

@gray fox Today I recently found out that my dad hemi swapped his wrangler

[gray fox]

Now that's neat

Pointless but I like that kinda shit

[vital glen]

It was his purpose built off road race car

I never knew it had a hemi in it

until today

[gray fox]

@vital glen Ivan super off-road

[vital glen]

@gray fox that classic

[vital glen]

it's a 392/6.4l hemi

[shadow osprey]

comes back to 145 messages

I'll pass

[night current]

^

[warm sparrow]

Welcome on LTT 's discord lol

[hexed arrow]

it's either 100+ messages or 0 when I check

[warm sparrow]

Usually It's more like 589+

[stoic ledge]

So true

[gray fox]

I legit just hang out here. The other forums are so uptight

[stoic ledge]

Same

[gray fox]

I'm into audio (big surprise) and I had the audio forum jump down my through cause I said I prefer one brand to another because they give me the sound I want for the best price.

First and last time I posted.

[vital glen]

@gray fox did you say beats?

[gray fox]

No

Fuck that

Audio Technica

[stoic ledge]

Beats 😂 That "sound" system is now available on various VW/Seat models

It sounds like 💩

[vital glen]

@MK#9829 no it sounds like

@MK#9829

Rip

[gray fox]

Someone got bant

@stoic ledge

[vital glen]

I can't

[gray fox]

You alive

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge

Finnally

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen What's up ?

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge beats are an audio experience

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen Yeah a crappy one 😛

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge muh bass

muh grumbly

muffled tones

who needs clear high and mids

when you got bass

[stoic ledge]

I like bass, but Beats is just way, way waaaaaay auto of balace

A know a guy with factory Beats system, even with bass set at -4 it's sti too "hard"

It's not even the punchy bass, but the kind you "hear"

[vital glen]

because in order to feel the bass

[stoic ledge]

I hope you understand what I mean xD

[vital glen]

you need less bass

and more low-end mids

[stoic ledge]

It just sucks 😛

[vital glen]

do you understand me?

[stoic ledge]

Yes

But Beats doesn't 😛

[vital glen]

lol

@stoic ledge were you there when I was talking about the hemi swapped jeep?

[stoic ledge]

No I was not

[vital glen]

So my Father spent way too much money, not his, on a wrangler

[stoic ledge]

Uhm ok

What did he do

[vital glen]

He bought a 2012 wrangler

put 200k in it

through sponsor money

6.4l hemi swap

snorkel, wench, live axels

the whole shebang

[stoic ledge]

Wtf 200k

[vital glen]

it was an off road race vehicle

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I get that, but 200k

That's insane

[vital glen]

It's not that insane

[stoic ledge]

I don't even know how I can put 200k in it

[vital glen]

Well, you ever had a project car?

[stoic ledge]

I'm 20
Live in Europe where most people have just 1 car
Live in a country with insane taxes

Take a guess 😛

[vital glen]

no

[stoic ledge]

ding ding ding You've guessed correctly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBTt2Kom9A

Apperently not that insane

Oof apparently a "new" Wrangler 2.8 diesel is €110k

Or the new one (2.2 diesel) €105k

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge you can make a new jeep into an offroad beast

with way too much money

[stoic ledge]

Yeah i've seen them zo some crazy sh*t

If i had the money... I probably would

Looks like fun

Best offroader you can get new here through dealers (not import) is a Land Cruiser

Not the V8 tho

Not even a V6

The 177hp 2.8 Inline 4 diesel is the only choice we have

[vital glen]

oof

[vital glen]

@gray fox I think the viper's v10 needs to go into a liberty

[magic arrow]

We're on the calendar to get a JEEP Gladiator over the summer 😄

[shadow osprey]

At least you get torque with a diesel

[fathom socket]

you can get crazy performance out of a diesel

cheaper then gas too

but at last i am a gas guy

[velvet grove]

I love both gas and diesel, But a diesel will pull like a dog and not complain 👌

[magic arrow]

so will a hybrid system 😃

[gray fox]

@vital glen have fun making that fit

Now a LA V10 in this...

[stoic ledge]

@shadow osprey The 2.8 diesel has 450Nm (332lb•ft) of torque, the V8 has 546Nm (403 lb•ft), so it's actually less

Also, it's the "Prado" Lang Cruiser. The big one isn't even sold here

[shadow osprey]

@fathom socket not cheaper than 87, but you get a good improvement on efficiency so it averages out to cheaper

Lame

get better diesels

Lamo euro cars

[stoic ledge]

My car has 110Nm (81 lb•ft)

(: (:

[shadow osprey]

I gotchu beat by... 5 times or so

my truck makes.... 420 BABY

[stoic ledge]

[warm sparrow]

Yeah but it drinks à lot probably

Like 6× more than MK's car or maybe even more

And my car makes 205Nm @1900rpm

Well one the specs sheet cause mine probable doesn't make it with its 307k Km and 17 years old

[stoic ledge]

A 307 with 307k km? 😄

[warm sparrow]

🤔 the specs sheet says max speed 179Km/h but it can go faster, m'y friend who has the same did almost 200 on the highway

[stoic ledge]

Mine for some reason says 155 (?) but I've done 180

If it was 155 I would be driving top speed almost all the time 😂

[warm sparrow]

Ehh

You couldn't do that here

You'd lose your licence after 1 Day in the country

I ve made 170 in germany but we were 5 in the car and it xmwas at night so i didn't go faster but i think i could have

[stoic ledge]

Well I often cruise at 140, overtaking with 150 if necessary 😅

Only if it's not busy and the traffic allows it

[shadow osprey]

Yeah it's a 35 gallon tank, but cost at the pump doesn't matter as long as fuel efficiency is good

[warm sparrow]

But you have no fucking radars right ?

They are everywhere here

[shadow osprey]

In the US? Most cop cars are equipped with more than one

speed cameras are less common

[warm sparrow]

And if not It's cops hiding behind walls and signs

These motherfuckers have Renault megan rs

They use to have impreza sti but "it was to expensive to maintain" 😅

[stoic ledge]

Only at two possible places on the motorway so I slow down there 😅

[shadow osprey]

Cops in the US have Turbo Taurus' or V8 chargers lol

[stoic ledge]

Cops in NL have... Diesel VW Touran and Mercedes B200d

Or undercover cars are Passat 2.0 Bi-Turbo or BMW 335d

We used to have undercover Audi S4/S3's, Golf R32

[shadow osprey]

Why so many diesels lol

That's pretty cool though

[stoic ledge]

Well diesel because i's cheaper (:

[shadow osprey]

Most of our undercover cars are either crown vics (which aren't very undercover, think the most stereotypical cop car), or confiscated cars

true

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but they are all in easy recognisable cop spec in the US, so you can spot them easily

[warm sparrow]

Diesel because Europe once said diesel is better, buy diesel

WE did

Now they say diesel is bad, prices are gonna go up

[shadow osprey]

Makes more sense that it would be the other way around but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but the police don't pay taxes

So it's still cheaper for them

[warm sparrow]

Yes and diesel is better for cops because they drive all day long

And they can use the cars longer

[stoic ledge]

Well they aren't bought here, they are leased

[warm sparrow]

Hm i don't know that

[stoic ledge]

These are our new police cars:
https://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2017/Mercedes-B-Klasse-politie.jpg
But well's also get the brand new B-Klasse

But kinda suck

They've lost their front bumper multiple times on speedbumps because it's too low

It's an auto with paddle shifter, but those paddles distract drivers, so they've glued them stuck

[warm sparrow]

Wtf

[stoic ledge]

We've also got new Audi A6's... Except they are the old ones

[warm sparrow]

The "police municipale" (It's cops but without guns and they can only give you tickets lol) have c4 cactus 😂😂

They also have berlingo but it's the basic police car that you see everywhere

[stoic ledge]

Oof Cactus + Berlingo, best cars 👌

[warm sparrow]

Berlingo are good cars but cactus for cops... Wtf

[stoic ledge]

Well if they bump in to something, it doens't matter because of the airbumps 😛

[warm sparrow]

lol

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey Yeah not a lot kids these days understand that a crown Vic are cop cars

[warm sparrow]

I know that and I've never been in america...

[tough minnow]

@stoic ledge fuck the politie

[stoic ledge]

Yes

[warm sparrow]

😱

[stoic ledge]

[gray fox]

@tough minnow some may like that...if you know what I mean

[stoic ledge]

[tough minnow]

Huh

I don’t know What you mean lol

[stoic ledge]

The NSFW way

[shadow osprey]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[vital glen]

@gray fox I saw my favorite kind of vehicle

Riced out integra with a big ass wing

Yellow chains coming from the back

Fart can

[warm sparrow]

cops in 2009

https://static.ladepeche.fr/content/media/image/zoom/2009/08/01/200908010099.jpg

now http://www.automotomagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pictures_renault_megane_2010_1_800x600.jpg

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey do you have ford explorers in your area?

As patrol cars?

[stoic ledge]

@warm sparrow Those are more the cars of the traffic police no ?

[stoic ledge]

Good, Volvo's

We used to have V70's

[wheat hatch]

I mean, old volvos weren't the best looking ones (in my opinion)

But they were solid cars at least :>

[stoic ledge]

I don't think they were ugly (:

But now we have A6 Avant's

https://media.autoweek.nl/m/bmhy1b2bjnxa_800.jpg

[wheat hatch]

I was expecting you to say bikes

wee ooo weee ooo

[stoic ledge]

We have those too xD

[wheat hatch]

Motorcycles or bike bikes?

_>

[stoic ledge]

https://indebuurt.nl/helmond/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/politiefiets-1024x647.jpg

Both

[wheat hatch]

oh dam

[stoic ledge]

We also have horses

[wheat hatch]

Yeah #WeToo

:p

[stoic ledge]

https://www.dehoefslag.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Politie-te-paard.jpg

So we have horses, bikes, motorcycles, normale police cars, highway patrol, and then some vans and undercover cars

[wheat hatch]

Solid lineup

For good ol'

NL

🇳🇱

https://giphy.com/gifs/weed-wiz-khalifa-smoke-KpAPQVW9lWnWU

[stoic ledge]

xD

Also, after 30+ years of Mercedes Gelandewagen for the military, we now have VW Amarok's

[wheat hatch]

😂

Whata downgrade

😅

Or upgrade?

🤔

[stoic ledge]

No downgrade

They're also the old ones with crappy 2.0 TDI

Nog even the 3.0 TDI V6

[wheat hatch]

okey, yea, no

Blasphemy

[warm sparrow]

@stoic ledge yes it's cars for chasing bandits 😂

there are only a few

[stoic ledge]

https://images.autowereld.com/high/76268-20131209-amorak-mb.jpg

[warm sparrow]

police don't have these cars, it's mostly partners as i said, megan (normal version) estate or megan

[stoic ledge]

Yeah that's what we have the undercover Passat Bi-Turbo / Octavia VRS / Golf GTD for....

Those are the high powered chase cars

[warm sparrow]

gendarmerie have ford mondeo

[stoic ledge]

But there aren't many of those

[warm sparrow]

that"s what they use on the highway most of the time

but police also have old crap like clio 3 😂 and others old shit like this

no much but there still are a few

[stoic ledge]

Why dont they use Bugatti's ? Those were french too xD

[warm sparrow]

because there is no fckin budget for police

[stoic ledge]

Als, Mondeo? No Laguna / Talisman ?

[warm sparrow]

and not that much for gendarmerie

[stoic ledge]

[warm sparrow]

talisman? lol

[fathom socket]

This is what we have in Belgium, a Tesla being charged with a diesel generator 😄

[stoic ledge]

I membet those 😂

[warm sparrow]

@fathom socket eh not bad

so u speak baguette?

[fathom socket]

no, or not a lot at least

[stoic ledge]

I think they used those in Antwerp ?

Also funny they bought used Tesla's, not even new ones

[fathom socket]

the news article says Zaventem

[stoic ledge]

Ah could be

Ah yes it says Zaventem on the side

[warm sparrow]

zaven what?

ah it's a city

[fathom socket]

A part of Brussels

[stoic ledge]

Where the Airport is

[warm sparrow]

there's just one?

[fathom socket]

one major one yeah

and like 2-3 other smaller ones

[warm sparrow]

oke

[stoic ledge]

Militairy in Zutendaal

The rest idk

😛

[fathom socket]

Charleroi and Oostende, also Luik for cargo I think

[stoic ledge]

Ah well I never go to that side of Belgium xD

[fathom socket]

me neither :p

[stoic ledge]

😂

Well I'm not from Belgium so that probably explains

I already know too much about it xD

[fathom socket]

I am so no excuses for me :p

[warm sparrow]

lol i don't know anything about paris so it's allready good that you now that much things

about brussel and belgium

[stoic ledge]

In Paris the put cars on fire

All you need to know

[shadow osprey]

@vital glen do we have explorer cop cars? Yeah, new ones.

Are you talking about the Paris ritos?

[stoic ledge]

Uhm yeah that's what i meant

But they agreed to not raise the taxes until 2020 if i'm right

Could be wrong tho

[shadow osprey]

Oh it was all over taxes?

Lol

[stoic ledge]

Basically, raising taxes on fuel

[warm sparrow]

eh

i have no clue lol

but this week end may be even worst

[shadow osprey]

So... they just put it off for another year and a half

Everyone in France drives tiny cars anyways

[warm sparrow]

no

it's just you american who drive excessively big cars

you don't need big fucking trucks for daily dammit

same for sport cars

[stoic ledge]

I'd love a big truck

But there's no space here

[warm sparrow]

and yeah it's cool and i'd really like to come and try these big cars for fun but you don't need v8 for daily

[stoic ledge]

People in this village Can't even drive with their small cars

[warm sparrow]

you can have enough and even more poower with 4 cylinders

[stoic ledge]

I don't have a large car, but even I don't fit through this gap:
https://youtu.be/4L-etdIEBto
If people just learn to look ahead...

[warm sparrow]

hm

[stoic ledge]

Do you guys also have Discord Connecton problems ?

[fathom socket]

not that i noticed

[stoic ledge]

Ah i think it's fixed now

Btw ever seen a Fiat 500 Hearse ?
http://www.remetzcar.nl/photos/con-limited/701-303-fiat_500-001.jpg

[fathom socket]

I have now...

[stoic ledge]

It's.... Strange

[fathom socket]

it is... I don't like them in their normal shape either though

[stoic ledge]

Well I don't fit in one, hitting the roof with my head xD

[fathom socket]

never tried but I'd probably have the same problem 😄

[stoic ledge]

My brother had it as a loaner car once 😛

0.9 twinair

https://tweakers.net/ext/f/TaM6FyDkzSCGsTrZoBKk3620/full.jpg

Ow sh*t that was almost 3 years ago

[fathom socket]

that 0.9 isn't the engine is it? xD

[stoic ledge]

Yes it is

0.9l 2 cilinders

With a turbo tho

80hp

You could also get it without a turbo, 60hp

[fathom socket]

that's quite a lot for such a small engine..

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but it doesn't really work imho...

Even tho it has more torque then my 1.2 Corsa and weighs less, it pulls less up-hill then my Corsa

It's fine aslong as there are no hills

They also used the same engine in tthe Punto upto 105hp

[fathom socket]

😮 I've got 122hp with a 2.148 liter engine :p

[stoic ledge]

C180 CDI ?

[warm sparrow]

they've put 2c in a punto??

wtf

[fathom socket]

C200 CDI

[stoic ledge]

Yeah the Twinair

[warm sparrow]

i prefer punto abarth 😛

[stoic ledge]

1.4T (:

[warm sparrow]

i don't like fiat but punto abarth is, uuuhhhhhh

[stoic ledge]

Well my Brother had a Punto Evo diesel for 3 years, pretty good car

[warm sparrow]

lol i don't like punto

only abarth

[stoic ledge]

Only 124 and 500 have an Abarth version now...

They discontinued the Punto

[warm sparrow]

but 500 is ugly

[stoic ledge]

After 12 years

Yes it is

[warm sparrow]

they should have trashed the shitty 500 and updated the punto

with 180hp at least

[stoic ledge]

Well the 500 sells

Hip retro small car

[fathom socket]

I don't really like fiat at all but if I had to choose, I'd take the 180-90 😄

[warm sparrow]

500 is like mini, it's women cars

[stoic ledge]

Yes it is

Twingo too

But most often 500 and Mini indead

[warm sparrow]

i said women cars but it's not really what i mean

i don't know how to explain

[stoic ledge]

I think i know what you mean

It's the same here

[warm sparrow]

it's like a bit bitchy women cars

those who think they're so fuckin hot and everything but no, you're just random girl brah

[stoic ledge]

With my brothers old car (Punto) and his gf (Spark). Funny thing is that the Spark was faster then both :joy:

I know exactly what type you're talking about

[warm sparrow]

plenty of very nice cars 😂

[stoic ledge]

Could be worst 😛

[warm sparrow]

my brother has a 400k Km 70hp 1.9d ZX

very fast

very

fucking

fast

[stoic ledge]

Oof

[warm sparrow]

no turbo

[stoic ledge]

I Think even i can outrun that one

[warm sparrow]

diesel

it died almost

[stoic ledge]

Yeah non-turbo diesel are the best

Non-turbo diesel which almost died? How even

Those things litteraly run forever

[warm sparrow]

it had cylinder head gasket (i googled it, hope it's ok) leak

he fixed it once

and it broke again less than one year after

so he sold it for like 150€ 😂

[stoic ledge]

Lol

[warm sparrow]

but except the fact it was slow, i liked it much, simple retro design, nice retro interior, comfortable, it was low

and pretty good car to maintain

lot of room in engine bay, very practical

RIP ZX, loved u 😢

[fathom socket]

Here's my car :)

[stoic ledge]

R.i.p :'(

Nice

[warm sparrow]

clean 👌

[fathom socket]

I feel you Lloyd

[stoic ledge]

Why those lights behind the grill ?

[fathom socket]

because I can really.. 😄

also for convoys, hence the CB too

[stoic ledge]

Oh 👌

[fathom socket]

haven't done a convoy this year though.. main reason I have them is because I can anyway, so yeah :p

[warm sparrow]

i think it's elegal here 🤔

like a lot of things

[fathom socket]

could very well be illegal here too :p

[warm sparrow]

who cares? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(changing your wheals is theoretically ilegal)

[stoic ledge]

In Belgium you're not even allowed to lower your car unless it's done buy a certified installer who charges an amazing amount of money

[warm sparrow]

you're not allowed until you make it go through the MINES, and it costs muuuuch money

[stoic ledge]

So people change their suspension back to stock for the anual check, and then they lower it again

[warm sparrow]

you should make it for every modification that changes power of behavior or structure of the vehicle

of course no one does

[stoic ledge]

As long as it's done right, nobody cares

[warm sparrow]

until you meet a stupid cop

[fathom socket]

true

[warm sparrow]

but i you import a custom street car that is totally street legal in USA, there is now way it is 1% street legal in france

and maybe even on tracks because of the noise for example

[stoic ledge]

Only +25% power needs to be changed on the title (and/or engine swaps)

It's also wierd you can't import a stock, fully tested European car to the US

[warm sparrow]

?

[stoic ledge]

But hotrods which don't look anything like the original, with no bonnets (-> danger when hitting pedestrians) is allowed

[warm sparrow]

(i meant if you bring a car from usa to france, dunno if that's whjy you say that..?)

[stoic ledge]

Yeah I mean the other way around

[warm sparrow]

so it's not?

weird

maybe because of bumpers

[stoic ledge]

If you move to the US and you want to take your Peugeot with you for some reason

You Can't

[warm sparrow]

wtf

[stoic ledge]

No that's not an issue any more

[warm sparrow]

i would be the more stocky car of all the country 😂

but not street legal

[stoic ledge]

Correct

[warm sparrow]

it's like the bugatti chiron, USA customers get a beautiful rear bumper on their version

[stoic ledge]

Even if you take a brand new car, you Can't register it

True

[warm sparrow]

you can if you modify it right?

you convert it to be legal

like with USA imports for corvette, you need to modify turn signals and other thing so you can drive it in france

[stoic ledge]

They also get a divider in the boot so the space isn't large enough for a human (so you don't need a release latch)

I don't think so to be honest

If vehicles manufactured abroad conform to U.S. safety, bumper, and emission standards, it is because these vehicles are exported for sale in the United States. Therefore, it is unlikely that a vehicle obtained abroad meets all relevant standards. Be skeptical of claims by a foreign dealer or other seller that a vehicle meets these standards or can readily be brought into compliance. Vehicles entering the United States that do not conform with U.S. safety standards must be brought into compliance, exported, or destroyed.
Your car has to go through extensive testing

Including crash tests

To make sure it's safe enough

EuroNCAP doesn't count

[warm sparrow]

wtf

dumb af

[stoic ledge]

Yes it is

So you can get the most safe car in the world, fully tested for European standards, still not allowed on US roads

[fathom socket]

the american system isn't the most logical imo.. In a lot of ways

[stoic ledge]

I agree

[warm sparrow]

meanwhile in USA

[vital glen]

@warm sparrow big truck is best truck

[warm sparrow]

puts wheals on a bed, engine and light, here you go, street legal

[shadow osprey]

Technically all you need to have to be street legal in the US is headlights, a steering wheel, seatbelts, and turn signals. You don’t even need a windshield.

Well and registration and shit but that’s a given

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey who need a windshield thougj

Though

[hardy osprey]

Holy shit we just got a LaFerrari FXX K at work

[shadow osprey]

Not Mercedes SLR McLaren Stirling Moss owners, that's for sure

[vital glen]

@hardy osprey single owner or is part of a company race team?

[hardy osprey]

I don't know/can't elaborate

[vital glen]

Ok

[north glen]

@hardy osprey holy fxxk! (sorry bad pun) but nice dude

[vital glen]

Here is the debate of the century
Riced Vs. Donked

[shadow osprey]

That’s not even a debate

Donked

Come back when you have a real comparison

[hardy osprey]

Lol

[vital glen]

@shadow osprey no

[fathom socket]

yes

[exotic atlas]

Dominos needs a porsche delivery car

[gray fox]

Domino's also needs to put out more of those DXPs

[vital glen]

@civic spoke that got pizza'd

[gray fox]

@vital glen I c WaT U dId ThErE

[vital glen]

@gray fox I agree

[civic spoke]

Something's fucky.

[stoic ledge]

Yeah it's missing 2 wheels

[civic spoke]

Not to mention the exhaust.

[warm sparrow]

And some style

[civic spoke]

But really. That Grom has an engine swap. It has a 250 cc, 2 stroke instead of the normal 125 cc. Has like x5 the hp.

Closer to 50 hp.

[stoic ledge]

Pretty sure that thing will fly

But it still misses 2 wheels 😛

[hexed arrow]

@civic spoke put some stabilisers on it for @stoic ledge

[stoic ledge]

[hexed arrow]

Just found out that instead of the a6 my dad could have brought a BMW m5 5.0l from 2010 with 70k miles, time to disown him

[stoic ledge]

Only one problem: he'll probably need the same amount of money again in 1 year for repair bills

[hexed arrow]

First thing he said after buying the car was (translated into English) "shame the audi isn't capable of racing on a track"

laughs in 300bhp, 6sec 0-60mph and 4 wheel drive

This man is confusing

Rather take my fwd hyundai than the audi...

[warm sparrow]

I like cars with big wheels and big engine

Do you like my car ?

(no you don't but I hope you get it)

[hexed arrow]

Did my thing even upload

discord

Rip that then

@warm sparrow what is your car?

[warm sparrow]

I dont want to tell you what it is

[hexed arrow]

[warm sparrow]

You just need to get the reference

[stoic ledge]

^^ He has a Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI with the indestructable 2 litre diesel

(:

[warm sparrow]

Fork you

[shadow osprey]

@vital glen yes

donked cars don't claim to be fast, they just claim to be low and have big wheels

notice my lack of saying "claim to look good" in that sentence

ricer cars claim to look good and be fast, neither of which is true

[warm sparrow]

Wtf donked cars aren't low

They're like high af

But have big wheels indeed

[hexed arrow]

We all know that the ultimate car is a donked and riced miata

[stoic ledge]

[warm sparrow]

Donked car is dumb car

[vital glen]

@warm sparrow he meant low to the wheel

And as low as you can too the ground

As much as possible

[warm sparrow]

O ok

[stoic ledge]

Or do what guys do in Europe:
https://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/2016/0409/135655/fake-golf-r400_02.jpg
Get a Golf Mk7 and tune it to be a R400 look-a-like (with 400hp)

And, ofcourse, look like a fool because you used the cheapest Golf you can get (1.2 TSI with a whopping 86hp)

[wheat hatch]

😅

@stoic ledge When ones R400 has a 0 - 100 time of 10+ seconds 😂

[stoic ledge]

Yeah the 0-100 time is 12 seconds

Pretty slow for a 400hp car

😛

[wheat hatch]

😂

Floors it

"Well this is awkward"

[stoic ledge]

Well I can beat it with my parents Meriva

A.k.a the slow old people's car

[wheat hatch]

😂

[warm sparrow]

at least it's not a diesel

[carmine summit]

fight me

actually my dad's old car could probably keep up with an R400

might be my car now?

needs a head

[stoic ledge]

*fights @carmine summit *

Also there are people "converting" their Golf's to and R-whatever with diesel

I know for a fact there is (or was) a driving school with a Golf V diesel, with R32 bodykit

[wheat hatch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/NRXleEopnqL3a

[shadow osprey]

Toyota had a couple donked cars at the 2018 DC auto show, they had something like 22’s and were basically laying frame

Probably couldn’t drive though 😂

[gray fox]

I'd take a ricer over a Donk

"factory Donk"

[shadow osprey]

confirmed first donk

[stable imp]

Anyone here play Automation?

[warm sparrow]

sick donk right there

[vital glen]

@gray fox it's not a true donk without fuzzy dice

[warm sparrow]

And 24" chrome spinning rims

[magic arrow]

WOOHOO doing the Subaru Ascent this week and then for Christmas Week the Levante S!!

so sad to hear that the new gen 3 series wagon won't be coming stateside

[stoic ledge]

R.I.P

New 3er Touring hasn't been announced yet btw

[magic arrow]

i spoke with my Press Fleet Coordinator for BMW today... they confirmed it

very sad, it was such a good competitor to the Alltrack and Allroad

It's like automakers don't realize - pet ownership is on the rise, which inevitably will equal to more wagons/hatches

[stoic ledge]

Yeah but they force you into cross over's or SUV's

Also i don't get why you guys only get the Allroad/Alltrack/... versions of normal estate cars

Even Buick Regal only as TourX

https://www.autozine.nl/cache/simplescale/728/24957.jpg

Looks so much cleaner as a normal Estate

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge there is two types of cool wagons

High performance and old school

[stoic ledge]

Yeahhh... No

For a couple of decades, everybody bought wagons here because they are waaaay more practical then their normal sedan sibblings

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge did you say high performance and old school wagons are not cool?

[stoic ledge]

That's what what I meant xD

[vital glen]

Sir

Please go back to the

[stoic ledge]

https://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/c_fill,f_auto,h_596,q_auto:eco,w_900/https://inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/vxl-insignia-gsi-estate-0233.jpg

[vital glen]

McDonald's

You need to be stopped

[stoic ledge]

[vital glen]

I got a 6 speed for the 'ol racin' sim

[stoic ledge]

Who needs a racing sim when you can race on the road?

Insignia OPC/VXR was also a pretty nice wagon:
https://static.autojunk.nl/pictures/2017/0417/175720/opel-insignia-opc-sportstourer_07.jpg
2.8T, V6, 4x4, 325hp, six speed manual or auto

I think the Insignia was the last non-premium fast wagon in Europe

Btw @magic arrow , in the YT videos, is that you ?

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge 4x4 in a wagon

That's something

[stoic ledge]

Yeah 325hp on the front wheels only doesn't really work

[vital glen]

I would expect awd not 4wd

[stoic ledge]

Well the original name of the car is "2.8 V6 TURBO 4X4 OPC"

But probably AWD indeed

Opel describes it as Adaptive 4x4

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge the hell does that mean

It means AWD

[stoic ledge]

I know it does

Also Adaptive because it can send more to the front/rear

[vital glen]

Like most awd systems?

[stoic ledge]

Like almost every awd system

Yes

😛

[vital glen]

For soccer moms who want to feel cool

I got adaptive 4x4 like trucks

[stoic ledge]

FWD

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge look, let's get H-Drive in the main stream

[stoic ledge]

But.... Why ?

[vital glen]

Because why not

[stoic ledge]

Because there are no heavy offroad vehicles here xD

[vital glen]

Make your next vw golf

H drive

[stoic ledge]

Ha

Hahaha

Haha

Ha

Will probably make it 300kg heavier

Then our 1.0TSI won't be enough anymore

[vital glen]

That's kei car level power

[stoic ledge]

No that's family car level power

😛

https://www.autoscout24.nl/aanbod/volkswagen-golf-variant-1-0-tsi-110pk-7-dsg-highline-business-r-benzine-grijs-94f2614e-0d1e-4d0d-8155-350bff345935
€37k for a used VW Golf Variant (15k km) with DSG and 1.0TSI (110hp)

[vital glen]

Family car power is at least 400hp

[stoic ledge]

😂

[vital glen]

Why do you think I am joking

[stoic ledge]

I'm not

It's just unaffordable here

Look how much that stupid VW Golf costs

[vital glen]

Ok

I can buy

[stoic ledge]

That's $42k USD

[vital glen]

Way too many used golfs for that price

[stoic ledge]

Exactly

Lol for $40k usd, you can get a 2018 C300 4Matic in the States

[warm sparrow]

simple

a normal 208 costs about 20k, new

that's almost 23k$

what do you have (new) with 23k in usa?

[stoic ledge]

A Ford Fusion S 2.5L

(Ford Mondeo)

A top spec 208 is €27k, or $30.5k USD

You can get a 2019 Fusion SEL 1.5 Ecoboost for that with every option available on that trim

Or even a 2019 Taurus SEL 3.5 V6

[warm sparrow]

top spec is GTI?

or like topspec gt line full option 😂

[stoic ledge]

No no Top Spec normal version (thought it was a Tech Line)

Yeah Tech Edition, seems like they've removed the GT-Line from the list

Same with the GTI

[stoic ledge]

So in Europe you get this for $30k USD:
https://assets.gocar.be/picserver1/userdata/1/14161/UlfWvhilJ/kfz54523638_img_0502.jpg

In the US, this:
https://www.crossroadsfordcary.com/inventoryphotos/5326/3fa6p0cd6kr102027/ip/1.jpg

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge imagine importing that car

[shadow osprey]

Lol that tiny ass thing? No thank you

[slow oar]

hey yall

whats the best solution for leaky t-tops

other than not buying a car with them in the first place

[shadow osprey]

New weather stripping

Duct tape

Spray foam

[vital glen]

@slow oar what cereal said

[shadow osprey]

Depends how ghetto you wanna get. Plastic wrap works too. You can just glue the t-tops on until you can afford new weather stripping if that’s the problem lol

Cut a piece of a water proof car cover off and tape it over the top

[slow oar]

the only place where i can find the actual weather stripping is at a dealership, and i'm sure theyre gonna overcharge for it

whatever

i'd rather not flex glue my windows shut

thanks tho

[magic arrow]

@stoic ledge hey! yes, that is me 😄

Next week I upload the 2019 Mini Countryman All4 SE-hybrid

i have the 2019 Subaru Ascent Touring right now

and 12/21-12/27 I have the Levante S

[civic spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk8ZrN__nmA

[stoic ledge]

@vital glen Importing a Fusion ? Then you'll get a Mondeo, which starts at €42k ~ $47k USD with the 1.5 EcoBoost (Hybrid is cheaper)

@magic arrow Nice ! Countryman is pretty expensive for what it is imho... The Countryman is build in my country, the Netherlands, in a place called "Born", so all Mini's here have a sticker on it with Born in Born 😂

[warm sparrow]

but not to be wilde

🤔

[stoic ledge]

🤔

[hexed arrow]

[warm sparrow]

[stoic ledge]

[shadow osprey]

11000 RPM V12? 🤔

[gray fox]

@stoic ledge actually about 30K will get you this with a V8...in america

[shadow osprey]

Bad link?

[gray fox]

Is just a pic

Of a 2018/19 Charger R/T

[shadow osprey]

My discord must be being brain damaged

[gray fox]

Legit a 5.7 R/T starts at 35K and with incentives is closer to 30k

Pictured: Discord

[shadow osprey]

I was aboutta say, 30k seems cheap for an RT

Draw that yourself? That’s... weird

[gray fox]

Remember it's a 15 year old platform

It's nothing but profit now

[shadow osprey]

The remodel in early teens wasn’t a new platform?

[gray fox]

No

[shadow osprey]

Lol oh dodge

[gray fox]

It's still an LX

[shadow osprey]

Tell us how you’re really doing financially, why don’t you

[gray fox]

I mean to be fair the LX is a good chassis. The issue is they got in bed with euro trash

Daimler screwed them

And Fiat is doing the same

[shadow osprey]

I won’t say too much though cause Ford used essentially the same chassis for the F-super duties from 1999-2014

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey don't forget the panther body

79-2010

[shadow osprey]

Panther body? The crown Vic?

[gray fox]

Yeah

It appeared back in 79 on the then new T-bird

[shadow osprey]

it was a crown Vic. Still baffles me they stayed around as long as they did ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Wasn’t that gen thunderbird based on the Fox?

[gray fox]

No

The following was

The 78-79

[shadow osprey]

Ok that was my next guess lol

[gray fox]

Was a fucking pig that died a swift death

It was a brand new chassis that the bird ditched and was redone after 1 year

[shadow osprey]

it was good enough for the mustang, dunno how they fucked that up ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic ledge]

@gray fox oof I see, 33k for a Dodge Charger R/T with 5.7 V8

[gray fox]

Well

Would you rather a frechie fuck or 5.7 liters of FREEDOM!

[shadow osprey]

I’ll stick with my 5 liters thanks

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey the best part is the reason the 78-79 died so quick was the head of design at for had a come to Jesus moment when the president of Ford asked him "would you want this in your driveway" about the then new T-bird

It was that big of a fucking pig

@shadow osprey fix or repair daily Ford

[shadow osprey]

I wouldn’t want any mid-late 70s car in my driveway

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey true

Dark days

[shadow osprey]

It looks just like every other brick from that time, I see no problems

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey excuse me it's the 80-82

Look at the 82 then the 83

That's a massive fucking change

[shadow osprey]

Yes I see

Next gen wasn’t any better, just more rounded to fit the cars of that era more

Probably considered “ahead of its time” at the time, since the general populous didn’t change to more rounded designs until the early to late 90s

[stoic ledge]

@gray fox Ofcourse I'd rather have the Peugeot 208 with the amazing 1.2 litre 3 cilinder turbocharged engine #turboFTW

[gray fox]

But it actually handled

[stoic ledge]

(jk)

[gray fox]

Also the sales for the 80-82 where terrible

[shadow osprey]

They also stepped down from 4 V8s (two big blocks) to two V8s (4.2 and 5.0)

[gray fox]

Like kill the model terrible

[shadow osprey]

So no wonder no one wanted it

Thunderbird was shit anyways. It was never good after like the 5th/6th gen

Not even the last model, the classic styled one was good

[gray fox]

The turbo bird is fine

[shadow osprey]

It was like the Plymouth prowler. The different car no one asked for, but we got anyways

Ok the turbo turd is a special breed

[gray fox]

I was about to say don't compare it to the prowler

That was a disappointment

And I'm a Mopar guy

[shadow osprey]

Why can’t I compare it to the prowler?

How many people do you know with a prowler?

[gray fox]

The turbo bird was a good car

[shadow osprey]

How many have you seen with your own two eyes

[gray fox]

Just not the car people wanted at the time

The prowler was a car people though they wanted till they saw the 3.5 from the Sebring in it

[shadow osprey]

Yeah the turbo Coupé was fine I guess. A cult car

Just like the SVO

What did they expect in it? An in-line 4? The thing is tiny, no way they’re hitting a HEMI in it

[gray fox]

Honestly the last gen birds issue was similar to the Lincoln LS too much Jag not enough Eagle

Hemi didn't exist when the prowler launched so of course not

But they could have fit the 4.7 power tech in it

[shadow osprey]

Well hemi engines were run back in the 60s, so yeah technically they did

Magnum, you know what I mean

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey yes

But not the current

Hemi

[shadow osprey]

Shmurrent

[gray fox]

Or they could have put the double overhead 3.5

With its 255 hp

[shadow osprey]

No current engine is like it was in the 60s. Or even 90s

[gray fox]

As apposed to the single 3.5 making 220 at best

[shadow osprey]

They could have put the neon SRT-4 in it and called it done

At the very least it would have been exciting, if unreliable lol

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey I think the prowler was dead by then

But that would have been cool

Though at least the prowler wasn't the SSR

Or the ultimate boomer mobile

[shadow osprey]

?

[gray fox]

The Chevy SSR

The hey remember the el comino

Well here's something like it but ugly and completely impractical instead

[shadow osprey]

Ah yes, I had almost forgotten about that

[stoic ledge]

Those things are expensive as hell

[shadow osprey]

Had to look it up lol

[gray fox]

It did have an LS though...

[shadow osprey]

At least they make good power

[gray fox]

So it's got that

[shadow osprey]

Yeah lol

[gray fox]

Other then that it's got nothing

[shadow osprey]

With a boxier front end it would probably be decent. Must have recruited the guy who designed the........ shit what’s it called

HHR?

Who came from dodge

[gray fox]

I can't believe GM converted the plant that made the Eldorado (selling 40k a year) to make this (not even selling 20k a year)

I mean the HHR SS was basically the same idea

Fucking ugly car no one liked

Put a high power engine in it

[shadow osprey]

What was dodges version of it

[gray fox]

The Caliber

[shadow osprey]

Chevy hired the guy after dodge fired him

No it wasn’t that

It’s basically an identical car

[gray fox]

Caliber was the HHR for Mopar

Oh you mean the SSR

The sidewinder

[shadow osprey]

PT cruiser

[gray fox]

Oh fuck

No

I'd rather stay with the Caliber

Though the turbo PT is cheap fun

[shadow osprey]

Lol?

[gray fox]

Now that's how you do a modern car/truck

[shadow osprey]

Back half of an SSR on a 98 truck front

Dodge truck

[gray fox]

And a V10 under the hood

[shadow osprey]

Viper V10, not a magnum

I’d buy

[gray fox]

Freedom

[shadow osprey]

Then sell quickly after, but I’d buy

Lol it’s 8am. Ok sleep time see ya

[gray fox]

Later

[stoic ledge]

Sleep time at 8am 🤔

[vital glen]

@gray fox the '99 charger concept is best charger

[stoic ledge]

The rear of the Challenger looks a bit like it

[vital glen]

@stoic ledge underglow yes or no?

[stoic ledge]

No

[vital glen]

Why not man

[stoic ledge]

Why yes man

[vital glen]

Honestly, it makes me go faster

Because blue wave lengths are fast

[magic arrow]

Blue is no good in US

but i've always wondered, all the new cars have approach lights now, what's stopping us from having them on while we drive? I kinda think that makes alot of sense. Just disable the logo projector LOL

[vital glen]

@magic arrow what are you on about

[stoic ledge]

Approach lights ?

[gray fox]

@vital glen no it the worst

[median niche]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gaugIMk7--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/kmphkoccxvsaxayv5moe.jpg

Toyota Supra

😙 👌

[vital glen]

@gray fox you know what's worse?

[gray fox]

@vital glen your mom

[vital glen]

@gray fox I was going to say
The Supra fan above

[gray fox]

Damn

Nah the MKIV

Is nice

The MKIII was just a RX-7

[vital glen]

But he posted a photo from Gawker

And not even a nice one

@gray fox I might awd swap my Monte Carlo when I feel like committing financial suicide, so prob in a couple years

[gray fox]

@vital glen is it a Wbody Monty?

[vital glen]

G body

[severe spade]

Vroom

[warm sparrow]

supra ❤

[stoic ledge]

LHD Supra + manual

[gray fox]

@vital glen if it aint a W-Body it ain't a Monte. :p

Dodge Magnum R/T: when the kids need to be at school...10 minutes ago

[warm sparrow]

hey how much is a supra 2jz in USA?

[gray fox]

you can censor me all you want but I will keep posting the P R O N Z

@warm sparrow clean unmodded

[warm sparrow]

yea for example

the average price for a supra 2jz, stock or not

the most common

[gray fox]

like 30K min

maybe 50K

[warm sparrow]

ok ^^

btw this Dodge Magnum R/T is ugly

[gray fox]

@warm sparrow man you got bad taste

[warm sparrow]

no

this thing is fat, ugly tail

looks like a brick

[vital glen]

@gray fox listen here damn commie

[gray fox]

@vital glen lol

@warm sparrow once again no taste

you know you want that sweet FWD torque steer of an LS4 @vital glen

[warm sparrow]

i could say the same of you

in fact i do

[gray fox]

@warm sparrow good for you

[warm sparrow]

good for you too

[gray fox]

Some one doesn't get sarcasm

[warm sparrow]

-_-

[vital glen]

@gray fox listen here lada loving sob

[gray fox]

@vital glen lol

@vital glen I prefer the Volga

@vital glen put it in H

[vital glen]

I will h drive swap a Prius

Don't make me

[gray fox]

GNX swap your Monte

Make it actually fast

😁

[vital glen]

@gray fox I have not seen a stock month csrlo im a long time

[gray fox]

I mean in stock form they aren't too much fun. They do have a decent chassis though

[vital glen]

I make more power than a gnx

[gray fox]

Please tell me that it looks stock from the outside

Sleepers are the best

[vital glen]

No

Bright yellow

Raised hood

[gray fox]

Better then a white supra

Of all the colors

Almost as bad as having a FD RX-7 in anything but yellow

[stoic ledge]

FD RX-7 should be red

[gray fox]

NO

Non-car people VS Car People

[stoic ledge]

So true xD

Lol dat R34

My personal favourite is the real R34 tho

[serene jetty]

http://www.speedhunters.com/2018/06/kebabhunters-the-melbourne-edition/

Melbourne car scene

best in Australia

[gray fox]

I know the R34 is so pretty

[warm sparrow]

i puked

[shadow osprey]

50k for a Supra? Nah maybe 35k for a decent turbo model. 15-20 for an NA

@gray fox one of those things is not like the other...

[winged pagoda]

that's a bucking impreza

I was driving behind one the other day

What do ya'll think of the Aston Martin Valkyrie?

[warm sparrow]

it's strange

[stoic ledge]

Yes it is ^^

[winged pagoda]

Super aerodynamic

Like on ridiculous levels

[vital glen]

Looks like a kit car

[winged pagoda]

I'd buy one if I had the money and if they weren't all already sold

[warm sparrow]

lol

i'd buy anything if i had the money

even a tuned fiat multipla

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey a clean Stock turbo is easy 50k these days they sold in low numbers and most have been modded to hell. No one wants an NA, those go for cheap

@winged pagoda if you are talking about the which skyline is your fav that's a Chevy Cobalt

@vital glen the last good Aston was the Virage in the early 90s

[vital glen]

I had to do a double take on that photo @gray fox

[gray fox]

Same. Looked almost right but something just wasn't right

[winged pagoda]

I'd buy a Fiat Multipla stock

[vital glen]

I sent it to 3 people, nobody batted an eye @gray fox

[warm sparrow]

@winged pagoda here's a guy who has taste

[gray fox]

Too bad it's for British food

[stoic ledge]

More like Italian Cuisine if you ask me

[shadow osprey]

Obviously no one wants an NA, and I said decent. A clean anything is always way overpriced

[gray fox]

@shadow osprey depends a Clean Berretta isn't gonna be over priced

They will be lucky to get tree fiddy

[shadow osprey]

It’ll be more than a shitty one

Also I don’t know what a beretta is, only the gun manufacturer

[gray fox]

Chevy Berretta

[shadow osprey]

I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for so...

and it's beretta