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Huawei p20 pro camera ftw
Kinda funny, a while back I took the Meriva, and some punks were sitting next to me at a red light with a Golf Mk3 GTI, acting cool, revving the engine. And I smoked them wat an Opel mini-van ๐
Need to take some photos of that clean rx7 at the next car meet
"I'm too embarrassed to continue in this thing"
Clean RX7 ? That's a ๐ฆ
It is indeed!
Dorito power
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Also
The garage with amg's from before
this one also belongs to that collection
Lol
We had the Jon Olsson RS6 in The Netherlands
But then it got stolen
And burned down to the ground
It was actually funny, the car has been in the Netherlands for a while, changed owners, but was never registered
It actually wasn't road legal here
But they drove around in it with dealer plates
Yes al those things sticking out weren't legal
No way it can be legal without some fiddling ๐
same story again
friends fathers s63
This one belong to a friend of mine where the dad works at scania
If you know that company
Not sure if I have a pic of my buddy's S65
And I think his monthly salary was like 60-70k
at least last year
might have increased now
noiice
But he blew the engine
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how does one even do that ๐
Impressive
Don't ask me ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
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lmao
Probably
hm... not sure
And if they are
They sure aren't popular
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Friends Jag he got as a birthday gift
They don't sell terrible here, the new ones aren't that bad either (it's my grandparents car btw)
Oof F-Type, nice car
WTF again as a gift
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How fcking rich are people in Sweden
it's quite mixed :p
But yea, some people rich af
But not oil arab levels like in london
I mean, these cars are still within reasonable boundries imo
Pretty fancy imho ๐
I've been to London once. There are areas with only nice cars, but a lot of areas only have shitty old cars
Working class can never afford something like that
yea that's the thing
Especially to buy their kid a new Jag F-Type
Well for most people that's more then a years salary
yea definitly
well I'm not bashing him though, he's a good guy and not over the top
as long as they are humble
I don't mind them flexing a bit
And he does let people drive his cars :p
Dacia is btw not even that bad of a car
Not really luxury but they cover the basic like power steering, AC, radio (even sat nav), power windows, seats are pretty comfy and they are also pretty reliable
So if he likes it, surely must have an upside to it ๐
Hehe true
It's only the use old Renault parts, materials inside are quite hard, finish isn't that great (large panel gaps)
But if you want a car and you don't care about that... why not
Imho they are better then Aygo/C1/108 en up!/Mii/Citigo which cost the same and are smaller
Yeah if you are happy with the basic, they are good for daily driving
Tbh I expected worse when I got in it for the first time
Well that's good to hear ๐
But yea I'm probably just going to get a weekend car
Since yeah, subway is the way
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Public transport is shit around here. Also I study in Belgium so I have to go across the border xD
Public transport to another country is hell
Takes me 3.5 houres to get to school, with a car 30 minutes
That's amazing to be honest ๐
"Where ya going?"
"Meh, just going to take a coffee in Belgium"
Tbh I spend more time in Belgium then in the Netherlands ๐ (besides sleeping)
In a straight line, I live about 0.5km from the border
But since I live in a small "remote" village, I have to go via another village, so it's about 8km's to Belgium
(well the border is at 5km, only the first exit is a bit further away)
Just dig a tunnel man
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Take a Lada and ram that fucker into the mountain
Well there is a river in the way
Surely you can get to the other side eventually ๐
We don't have Lada's here
Meh just import one
and make a hole in the roof
so you can get some oxygen while crossing the river
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I do have a picture of my car, standing on dutch ground, with Belgium in the background
Lol ๐
You can see the river
The other side of the river is Belgium
You like living dangerously?
Also on the far left, you can see a bridge. That's the bridge across the border
Build a ramp on both sides
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Want a cheap reliable and fun car to drive? Toyota mr2 w30, rwd rear engine convertible
Actually then i have to drive "through the city" while the bridge is the highway
Lolz ๐
I don't fit in an MR2
I'm too tall
How tall are you 
lmao
Whoops
I'm tall
xD
135cm
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wat
nope

absolute giant

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That's more accurate
I'm 181 and I fit in with room to spare
It's a convertible just wear a helmet and put the top down
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I've also spotted myself on Google Maps Streetview ๐
You'll look like you're in a go-kart
^Mk driving MR2 in the winter
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See over the windscreen

Even the most shitty one, at a well know sh*t garage is โฌ5k with 200k km on the clock
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And lol pls no
2000 MR2 with 242k km: โฌ5750
Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my Corsa for a while
Oof the 5k ones don't even have AC
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Cheapest one with AC is 7k, is a 2001 with 160k km (100k miles)
jesus
7k for a 17 year old car
Wot fok
5k for 200k
Yeah but cars in England depreciate very hard
AD: Toyota MR2 GT-S Widebody Ablfug 110K kilometers
Because RHD
โฌ6700
How old was it ?
3 liter diesel, right?
The cheapest 2014 A6 3.0 TDI Quattro is 23k with 240k km
Cheapest <100k km is 33.5k
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Anyhow I need to take my leave, friend is waiting for me
I'll see you around bois, cya o/ :>

welp I'm pretty sure my dad's old car is mine now
something happened to the timing so I'll have to tear the head off and probably get a set of valves and maybe a head
I didn't think about it at the time but he's probably going to give it to me since he bought a newer car
It's a beat up 1992 Jetta with a broken 1.9 AAZ, but I don't mind because I like 1985-1992 Jettas with AAZ swaps
Well free == free so ๐
Welp I just found another car I want to buy
it's close
it's clean
it's cheap
1984 Jetta that's been in storage for 20 years
Well if it's cheap and you have the space... Why not
Hehe I know a guy which had one... they were pretty funny to drive
He now owns a Swift Sport
@stoic ledge import a capuchino
Lol xD
Well there are already 4 of those for sale at the moment in my country
Only super expensive
About โฌ10k
And yeah, kei cars don't fit me
Dutchies in kei cars doesn't work
https://media.autoweek.nl/m/m1ayst7bo0rr.jpg
I'm wishing I could get a cheap kei car in the US - all the autozams here are $14k and the cappucinos are rising in price
There's virtually no honda beats, and we can't import the s660
for whatever reason i fit fine in an AW11 but im cramped in a miata, so idk if kei cars would be right for me
I find it strange that in the US, you can't import cars which are heavily tested in other regions (Europe, Japan) but it is allowed to build your own car that's completly different from the original, and hot rods with exposed engines and those kind of things
Also, it you want to import a Pulsar GTI-R, try finding a Nissan Sunny GTI-R. They are even more rare, but most importantly: they were also build LHD (: Too bad only 668 of the 14613 GTI-R's are LHD, all other GTI-R's are RHD
Makes them expensive too, โฌ15-20+k is no exception
@stoic ledge Freedom'
I mean we got memes
Eagles
V8s
Beer
And big ol' tiddies and asses
We do still have memes. And Eagles. And beer. And tiddies and asses. Only missing those V8s

@stoic ledge displacement taxes
Amirite
@stoic ledge youre in the UK you need to get a license to Beat It
You don't have tiddies and asses
@stoic ledge ah
@gray fox ๐ณ๐ฑ
@hexed arrow Yeah you drive on the wrong side of the road xD ๐ณ๐ฑ
I know I'm ๐ต๐ฑ only live in England
Atleast jap imports are easy and cheap here 
True because they also drive on the wrong side
Dad was looking at importing an s15 before he brought the audi
Daily driving a RHD car in a LHD country is ๐ฉ
So close 
Can't complain too much not my car 
< dont pay attention to the text at the bottom >
Oof doing donuts ?
It would be a shame if someone brought some road cones and made a mini drift track 

Well he now has a quattro and I've got a fwd

He is trying to get me to buy a gt4 50/50 with him and take it to the track, we live 5km from a race track
They should have given the Hyundai Coupe RWD
The one @hexed arrow has is fwd
If you need to find me check your local petrol station
Mine is an import from fuck knows where
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The indecator and wind screen wipers are switched around
Ooh rip
Japanse and Australians cars have that
Probably Australia ?
Not sure why anyone would import an Australian Hyundai
Tuscani was it?
Yes
Tuscani is a trim level apparently
Might be an import from Ireland 
Possibly
Would make more sense then Australia tbh ๐
Probably illegal
But worth it
I'd ask more then 7k tbh xD

On the black market, they'll probably go for more
Oof
Even leaves me ยฃ5 for a maccies with some friends
I spotted a LHD a few days back 
Also nice: get a Nissan Stagea WC34, with RB26DETT, put a R34 front on it
Wow the Twin Tubro, manual, stock
Talking 'bout a ๐ฆ
I just found a great car on Auto Trader.
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The one in college is near identical

Yes please 
should i get an ae86? i know how to drive manual, and i know how to drive a car with zero driving assists
Why not ?
If you buy it and don't blast running in the 90s or euro beat at full volume 24/7 I'll be disappointed
the only catch is... it doesnt run
what's wrong with it
its got no engine and the firewall is cut out so its perfect for an engine swap
Nothing a ls swap can't fix
transmission tunnel and floor is cut out too
Ls or 2jz in it and you've got a rocket ship
i was more thinking of a rotary swap
Cummins diesel
Yeet a rx7 fd engine in it
i got a 20b hanging around my shop it runs mint

its already been ported so it goes brap lol
ye
Dibs getting a ride 
imma contact the guy rn cuz he lives across town
Do it, once in a life time opportunity. Send me a pic of the ae86 when you go look at it
Gotta go you guys, see y'all later 
@hexed arrow the GK is fun. Personally the V6 with the six speed is the best but the 4 banger can be fun
@gray fox it can 
V6 Insurance will probabily much more then the 2.0
Also, Asian-Pacific cars have the indicator stalk on the right side. Ireland or the Isle of Man should have them on the left side
why would someone import a hyundai
Maybe they owned it already when living abroad ?
I like cars
@warm sparrow Luckily for you they are putting the tax increasement for fuel on hold (:
I remember a guy who shipped his car from the UK to North America, because it would be cheaper than renting a car.
Yeah I also know a guy who shipped his modified Land Cruiser (lifted, tent on the roof...) from the Netherlands to the USA, but they went on a "road trip" for 6 moths so shipping it twice will be cheaper then renting a offroad RV for 6 months
I've also spotted a Motorhome here in the Netherlands with California plates multiple times
@stoic ledge dont worry it Will Be back asap

I also mean the Clubsport that is road legal..
It is a nice upgrade from our dual-clutch Cayman
Make it a sleeper.
I don't have a car yet as the 180% registration tax makes cars expensive
Here, if you buy a 1mil car, you pay atleast 1m tax
What country do you live in
Our taxation...
geez
i wasn't expecting that
we dont use euro though
Literally if you earn minimum wage you still pay 25 procent tax
We don't have a minimum wage
Of course you do, you can't just hire a person and make them work 16 hours and get 500 euros a month...
There are no state minimum wage
So basically your countries companies could use slavary...
How old are you?
I'm talking about minimum wage overall, but whatever.
No shit, but there is a limit which you cannot go under.
Otherwise how could you lvie.
There isn't a legislated minimum one
it's the unions and employers that determine the pays
Whatever suites you, try living with a 150 euro a month wage :)
How about you shut up because this isn't the right channel to discuss this.
you started the income tax
oh well
I still want a DB 603 powered car
As well as a more... practical one
DB 603 uses so much fuel and hard to maintain
No idea what I just read or what just went down here 
Nobody knows...
@stoic ledge ok look, you got to find a trabant, and i7 swap it
Hey
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@warm sparrow What did you see? F40? GTR? Of the Trabant? ๐
F40
hm
drag car
i don't like drag race it makes no fckin sense
cars can just go straight forward or crash on the side of the road
@stoic ledge Remember my friend with the AMG garage?
@wheat hatch Yes
I've seen a F40 once i think
OOF
I was allowed to sit in the Enzo ๐
Though probably not allowed with exposed sandy nuts
(They also had an Enzo Ferrari)
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Jesus
For some reason a non red Ferrari looks weird in my eyes ๐
Don't get me wrong, it's still a beauty ๐
True, but I didn't care ๐ I sat in an Enzo xD
Bahahaha, yeah I think I would be too baffled to complain if I also got the chance to sit in an Enzo
Once of a lifetime experience
Yeah this one was on the third floor, kinda hard to steal
Also, they'd probably notice
Nah it will be fine ;D
I've taken pictures of almost every car there
It's like a dealer ship, but they are car enthusiast who enjoy talking about cars. The owner even shows one car every week in a Dutch car show on TV, telling the history behind it
Hehe yeah not gonna take the risk with a 2.000.000โฌ car
That's nice to hear
Always nice to go to a dealership where they are into car just as much as one self is
Instead of just slapping the roof and be like, "This bad boi got a V8 in it"
It's almost like a museum which happens to sell cars xD
This bad boi got a V8 in it never heard a sales guy saying that to me xD
Oof that color
Nice
Yea it's a pretty car
Well that's just how I imagine they saying it @stoic ledge
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Same place?
Yes
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Probably have the Dutch police after me in a heart beat xD
"Let's not talk about it"
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Seriously how does he afford to keep all of those cars
We aren't talking rare anymore
We talking omegarare
Well it's his business, the DB5 was sold
Yeah I know it's his business but
But he displays them like a museum because he want's other people to enjoy those cars
Hehe nope probably not
You wonder how the dealership goes around sometimes
They even have a full time gardener xD
What the fuck does his house look like
That's a good question
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In his parents basement
Oof they have an auction seen, with 190 trade-in cars
I'm selling cars
_>
I gotta say one thing though
In the whole wide world
There is one car that I love unconditionally
And that's the C63 AMG Black Series
And there is one on sale right now
Better be the wagon
I bid โฌ2
Oof I was browsing through their tradin-in auctions:
- Multiple E-Types Series 1
- Ferrari 328
- Multiple Ferrari 308 GTS
- Bentley Continental
- Multiple Lambo Espada
- Multiple 70's Porsches 911
- Multiple Porsche 356
All those cars are considered not good enough for his showroom. They are just trade-in's ๐
Work hard, then you can probably afford it xD
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Well I don't mind a bit of colour, but not too crazy
Black on black on black isn't my kind of car
yea that's a bit too much
Unless you are going for a stealth bomber type of look
From NFS Payback
This I don't mind
stares in disappointment
(T_T)
Just kidding ๐
But yeah, I mean, when you do a project car like that (with body kit and such)
I don't mind going bonkers
But stock cars should look quite stock imo
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Well I mean just a project car overall
For example my friends 335i project car
Red rims/red interior/blue exterior
800+ bhp
I don't like those colour combos personally, but it's a project car and we are going bonkers already
So might as well just go all the way
BMW's factory red interiors aren't that bad... but not with a blue exterior
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That's what I said but
His car, so didn't wanna be that guy and argue with him ๐
"HEY, it's not my car, but HEY"
Cya o/
hey wait i have some pics i think
got it
some lambo garage not far too far from me
a museum
same one, just a Veyron
same again, Ford RS200 Rally ๐
again, just a Bugati Royal, kinda thing you see every day you know
challenger RT i've seen a long time ago
R33, probably for drift and surely not streat legal here
a noice McLaren one of my friend have seen
i have more but i don't know where they are
@gray fox my mom just called me about the dealership wanting 7800 to fix an exhaust leak.
They want to replace everything
Manifolds, exhaust, cats, sensors
Muffler
That is why old cars are better
@strong ember no the dealership is trying to milk her dry
335i project car LOL still too expensive
@warm sparrow Those are some nice cars (:
@vital glen Wtf that's expensive
That RS200 though...
@vital glen And what car is it ?
'03 H2
Hummer 
Probably cause parts arenโt made any more
Sell it before it becomes too costly
@shadow osprey that's not the problem
I know. You can probably fix whatever it is with some exhaust wrap for like $5 at your local auto parts store
Depending on where the leak is
eh
I own a h1
XD
I am the coolest of kids
Lol alright Iโll give you that
we really don't live in the same world lol
@warm sparrow what cars do you drive?
MG
hm that's a nice car
Never said I daily it
ah ok
It's my weekend fun vehicle
i think i've seen a pic of it here
I do drive it to school and work sometimes when I feel bored
18
But I don't
i know
but it's crazy to see differents between countries
here if you have like a golf 6 at 18, it's allready reallly good
@warm sparrow you gonna tell us what you drive or nah?
That your parents bought you because you asked
Bought it from a mechanic after he got mechanical lean on it
Guess not
My second car is a '08 s550
My project car is a '85 Monte Carlo ss
That's what my one classmate said
I know people like their G-bodies
He thinks newer = best
I didnโt say that
@shadow osprey my classmate says that
(sorry for all the questions but i don't really know how it is in the us)
@warm sparrow what do you drive
Saving up for one?
If you donโt have a car just say that lol
If you drive a Prius, good for you lol
not really, saving to live and then we'll see lol
More gas for me
a 2L 90HP diesel
Logic
all you need to know
I assume Citroen
no
Yo I like diesels, lemme know what it is
Itโs either a ranger or an old Mercedes
Puegot?

Boi why you being so secretive ๐
Itโs a rabbit
Itโs a fucking rabbit
Give me
A rabbit pick up
Ship it to me Iโll pay you anything
honestly i like my car but with you american big cars guys...
you said it -_-
No one cares what you drive lmao
not prius
Itโs a rabbit!
rabbit??
Golf, whatever
A little peugot?
yes
Iโm not playing 20 questions, just say it geez
Iโm not judging you for what you drive, Iโm judging you because you wonโt just say it (and you stereotyped me so...)
He got me spot on though, I am an American big car guy
not really stereotype, i mean, have you ever seen a 90HP car in you life ? ๐
hmm ๐ค
A midget makes like 40
what
MG midget
i know but i mean what, only 40HP
i though it was a bit a sport car
even if it's old
like maybe 110hp
I see old Ford's making no power
90hp is not a sports car, just for the record
It was in 1910 @shadow osprey
Old fords make no power, says the guy with an 80s GM car
Who said it was stock
anyway
Those Monte Carlo from the 80s made less than 190hp and like 200lb/ft
I reaaaaally need to come to the US once
Bloody jell
You think Iโve never been to a strip before? I know why people buy G bodies
I know the trend has been going on for a while
But at my local strip there was influx of foxbodies
Nee dto go sleep now, see ya ^^
See ua
Fox bodies have always been popular yeah. Lightweight, simple platform, solid axle
And yes you do need to come to America ๐ @warm sparrow
"SUVs" more FWD raised hatchbacks ๐
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@stoic ledge I said cars pretending to be trucks
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First best selling "SUV" here last month was the Jaguar I-Pace (place #14). Reason there are that many I-Pace sold, is because they have huge tax advantage until the end of the year
Next "SUV" is the Kia Niro at #16, followed by the Nissan Qashqai (Rogue Sport) at #21
Best selling car so far this year is the VW Polo, followed by the Renault Clio (Fiesta sized)
Top 6 is Fiesta sized or even smaller (Chevy Spark sized)
That tax advantage will very soon be compensated when they eventually break in 6months @stoic ledge
Over here it is the
Toyota RAV4, and Nissan rouge
Well I-Paces are leased so that includes repairs/maintenance
Rav4 is for some reason not popular here, while the Hybrid version is priced quite good (because lower emissions == lower taxee compared to the competition)
Also I've calculated, 45% of car sales this year has been Fiesta-sized or smaller (:
Rav4 is #112 in sales
930 this year
Compared to 14402 VW Polo's
Nissan rogue? Not in the US
Yes
Thatโs why they cancelled it
We review mostly SUVs and Wagons on our channel
and i have to say the clear winner this year is the Acura RDX
although my favorite is still probably the Pilot Elite and my least favorite was the Range Rover Supercharged V8
Least favorite is high horse power?
no the seats were great but the infotainment and electronics were super laggy
All the fuel economy! ๐คฃ ๐
@magic arrow Which channel do you have ?
just search Andie the Lab on youtube ๐
we've done CX-9, Sequoia, MDX Hybrid, QX80, Atlas, CR-V, QX60, Range Rover, Pilot, Alltrack, Q60S, RDX, QX50. Next week I get Ascent, and then after is Levante S, X4M, Tiguan, Golf R spektrum, 2020 GLE, G Wagon and F Pace SVR ๐
oh and i just did the Countryman E hybrid which will upload in 2 weeks
I see a lot of cars pretending to be trucks
Leave some pussy for the rest of us
@magic arrow I'll check them out soon ;)
@midnight path
steering wheel on the wrong side of the car
lol.. looks good to me
Oh thatโs a jag. Thought it was an Aston Martin for a sec
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Nvm
yea my reg is .... 'JAAAAG'
same designer as the Aston DB9.. which is why you came to that conclusion
Interesting
It's missing the front plate tho
yea that pic was before i put plates on it
But for the rest: really nice car and location ๐
good off roader ๐
Damn nice
@midnight path time to put a lift kit, big fat tires, and a wench
Create a modern day version of this:
https://benautobahn.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/untitled82.jpg
lol.... epic XJS V12
only reason it had wing mirrors on it was so you could see what had fallen off though ๐
This jag s pretty big
DROP THE BASS/PANTS - It's not a show car until the subs are shaking your clothes off, so in this episode we attempt to get 2WISTD banging out some epic tune...
But... Why tho
honestly is pretty rad
its an actual evo swapped lancer show car. Also that era of "Tuner" culture is fucking crazy and I wish some of it would come back.
not the body kits, or clear tail lights though
I just miss NFSU2 xD
But I would never own a car that modified
I like them mostly stock, or tasteful modified with minor upgrades
I legit miss people putting stereos in cars
it's not that hard or expesnive for a simple setup people are just lazy
I've got a LPG-tank underneath the floor ๐ ๐
I tought about a low-profile subwoofer and buying the false floor
But then I have to make something with a high-low convertor since my headunit has no sub outlet
@stoic ledge you are no fun
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We shall see ๐ The factory system doesn't sound that bad... I've actually got the upgrades 7-speaker sound system
Well they say the dutch are cheap... xD
Similar scenario in my Magnum. The 6 speaker Boston Acoustic system is decent enough. But I've got a real nice system set to go in next summer
I can upgrade it... But i'd rather save up to get a newer and faster car
That looks like fun (:
My time as an installer was fun
Lot.of take overs from shops that shouldn't be installing
The "Boomers first muscle car" mod
@gray fox I agree
Guys is there 2018 Chrysler 200? Cuz I look on their site and it looks like it's discontinue
Welcome to middle of last year
The 200 and Dart are dead because Fiat didn't realize how to make a small car for the American market
they know how to make cars that are unreliable
Honestly they shouldn't have killed the Avenger after the refresh
Sales were triple the best year pre refresh
The avenger is about as small as Americans want for a sedan these days
Any smaller and you ha e to sacrifice too much
Well they made one for years
They just stopped making it
The Comanche was post AMC buy out
@gray fox wasn't the comance more like a cherokee than a wrangler?
I meant wrangler pickup
But they don't have a Cherokee really anymore
Honestly when the liberty became a flabby blob was when Jeep stopped being Jeep
Yeah that is ture
As much shit as people give the KJ liberty it was still a jeep first and foremost. That thing can do shit no other "compact" suv in its class could even dream of doing
You can drive that sucker In a river up to the middle of the head lights with no issues
Try that with a stock Rav 4
My wife wanted a patriot originally
Then she drove one and then drove a liberty...which shes had for the past 4 years
Look at how much ground clearance the liberty has
Now look at the patriot
Also the patriot is FWD if not AWD equipped
The liberty was RWD with part time 4 wheel drive
@gray fox All the girls in my uni want to buy wrangles or abarths 500s
do you get it?
I don't understand
Girls get attracted to the rugged image of a jeep/truck or the cuteness of a Fiat
My mom and her friend used to drive around in her friend's jeep willy
For the most part
she does not get the new wrangler
I haven't understood the wrangler since they offered a 4 door version
I don't mind a four door wrangler
or a 4 door offroad fun car
but the wrangler
went off into a bad direction
I don't get it cause at that point get a Liberty or Grand Cherokee
Well yeah it's trying to be a car now
The wrangler was it's best when it was just a JEEP
It's the reason my wife.gotnthe liberty sport instead of the limited
She didn't see why a jeep needed heated power leather seats or sat nav.
Heated seats are a blessing when offroading in the middle of December
just not leather seats
True but cloth heat up quick
Either way the Libby showed up when Jeep made three vehicles
ok
The Liberty, the Wrangler, and the Grand Cherokee
If you wanted a bog simple offloaded and fuck comfort you had the wrangler
If you wanted luxury but wanted to be able to handle some mild off loading you had the Grand Cherokee and if you wanted something more capable thentneh Grand Cherokee but more comfortable then the wrangler their was the liberty
So the idea of having a liberty with all the features of a Grand Cherokee minus the V8 option is kinda pointless
The sport was more popular because it was just as comfortable and easy to drive but it was more capable in bad weather and road conditions













