Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

But generally, it's still Drzewiecki

It's still good

[full plank]

DD my beloved

[rustic charm]

Bit heavy on performance, but again, not out of the ordinary - it's just like any other of his sceneries, maybe even less impact

[full plank]

loved their scenery for P3D, albeit pretty dated now

[rustic charm]

Honestly I'd say they're easily in the top 3 best scenery devs

I don't judge. I don't play TSW too often either, or any trains for that matter

[full plank]

FlyTampa ranks high on my list, mostly cause their rendition of EKCH is pretty good

[civic aspen]

I really like the Pygree scenery for EGBB

[rustic charm]

FlyTampa is really great

[civic aspen]

I can say it is very accurate

[rustic charm]

I've got Boston

[civic aspen]

Yes same here

[rustic charm]

One of the first sceneries I got

Maybe even the first

Very good

Flightbeam are also great, SFO is amazing

[full plank]

I have Boston, Las Vegas, Copenhagen, Corfu, Amsterdam

I would get Sydney, but eh don't do much Australian flying

[rustic charm]

Honestly, ini are great, but they end up being the worst in terms of performance for me. And the V2s imo are just unwarranted

[full plank]

well don't do much flying at all at present

[rustic charm]

Oh I've got Corfu too, flew into there once. It's nice

[full plank]

spent 3 weeks off work just flying Corfu, Heraklion & Mahon

Air2000 my beloved

[rustic charm]

Btw I'm kinda surprised Sheremetyevo is chosen for CTP

And like, I think it's in there quite often too

[full plank]

TNCM good lord though

will see what open bookings there are later on & see if theres a good city pair

last CTP I flew was 2024

[rustic charm]

Like, Sheremetyevo gets chosen, but there's no stuff like LTFM

Also for some reason the only open slots I'm seeing that go to UUEE are all from Calgary

[wide zenith]

toga flaps 2 vref 164

[rustic charm]

Probably not gonna actually fly CTP anyway. Might just do a flight over the atlantic, but don't think I'll go for vatsim

Oh I might do KSEA - UUEE in the 772

Need to return that plane home eventually

But first need to fly it from KSFO to KSEA

[civic aspen]

Got my slot

[dusty sky]

TAKE ME WITH YOU

[rustic charm]

MSFS doesn't have a good shared cockpit

Also, I don't think you have a 772

[trim harbor]

its alright

it works

if u dont spam the fmc buttons all the time it works

[dusty sky]

Is it payware

I assume it is

[trim harbor]

no

its free

[reef isle]

That's crazy seeing the flaperons and ailerons not working together

I guess it kind of makes sense?

Maybe?

Crazy how well Deltaflot works

[trim harbor]

about to arrive in the netherlands (finally)

[reef isle]

I really really want to fly the Tu-114 on FSX

But I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it

I'd definitely have to use the GPS

[rustic charm]

New York to Moscow as if it's 1961

On a positive note, even being a pistoncraft, Tu-114 can achieve jet speeds

So unlike doing that in a DC-6/Connie, a Tu-114 would only take 10 hours

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/oF3y_U1br4c?is=1SRAJVGLdEFE8j43
https://youtu.be/ycOdUoThHBU?is=LNhvV_waxZrOpaTn

Can't really see that kind of "opposite movement"

[civic aspen]

God she's beautiful

[reef isle]

Heck yeah

[rustic charm]

Honestly the best part imo is the engines

Cause

They actually match

Blue with an orange band at the front

And the shades are really similar too

[civic aspen]

Changed it for Volanta

[civic aspen]

Lovely paint scheme

[dusty sky]

Only

[rustic charm]

I agree

May not be as cool as the old ones

But I still love it

Plus well

It's a 77W

Most of my flights with Aeroflot were on those

[civic aspen]

I've never flown Aeroflot

[rustic charm]

Literally almost all the best memories I have are there thanks to that plane

[civic aspen]

Once things calm down maybe I will visit 🙂

[rustic charm]

So like, I'll always be biased towards AFL triples, they'll always have a special place in my heart

[rustic charm]

Hopefully that happens soon...

Can't wait

[civic aspen]

Ron Allen ❤️

[rustic charm]

Tbh I know quite a few people don't really enjoy it, but I think it's a nice livery

[civic aspen]

Ron Allen or AeroFlot?

[rustic charm]

Ron Allen

Of course I love Aeroflot lol

[civic aspen]

They must be blind

[rustic charm]

And tbf for now I've not actually seen anyone say that Aeroflot's livery is bad

It's simplistic of course, almost all modern liveries are

So it's not one of the best (like I'd say Thai is)

But it's really nice in itself, it's not your plain eurowhite either, it stands out

Also 3 out of my 5 most-flown planes all wear Aeroflot's current livery

[civic aspen]

I really like Astrojet

[dusty sky]

Oh hell yeah

[reef isle]

I quite like it as well

[civic aspen]

I love american for doing the retro paint schemes on the NG's

N917NN is my fave

So colourful

[reef isle]

AirCal has style

Come and fly us

[dusty sky]

What plane is that again

770 or something

I never remember

[reef isle]

Convair 990A

First airliner to be fitted with turbofans

[dusty sky]

Ok so it was Convair

I always forget it exists

Cool plane though

[reef isle]

I think while fairly understated this is one of my absolute favourite liveries of all time

[reef isle]

I thought it was disappointing the way they did it in the 777

Not actual metal

This one on the 737 looks great

[civic aspen]

N921NN is a fave too

[reef isle]

@rustic charm this isn't just the AA livery? 😭

In what world do we live in?

[dusty sky]

That's just AA

[civic aspen]

Old AA

[rustic charm]

Wait, I thought that's the normal AA

[civic aspen]

I like to call it Amtrak AA lol

[rustic charm]

Isn't it 1994?

[reef isle]

The 80s were just 10 years ago yeah?

[dusty sky]

Insert calendar meme

[rustic charm]

Actually no, that was a bad year

1993

[rustic charm]

Well late 80s were just 4 years ago even

[reef isle]

Time really flies eh?

[dusty sky]

I love this channel

[rustic charm]

Did you see Boeing's plans for a new jet? I think they're going to call it 777

[reef isle]

That's super cool yeah. Looks to be on track to become a huge seller

I mean, the A330 is very cool and I'm sure will be a huge success

[rustic charm]

Honestly I don't know, I think airlines will ask for more range soon

[dusty sky]

It is literally 1994

[rustic charm]

Best part is I wasn't even alive in 1993 yet

[dusty sky]

[rustic charm]

Nah 94 was a bad year

93

[dusty sky]

What happened in 94

I'm scared

[rustic charm]

San Marino GP

[civic aspen]

N915NN ❤️

[reef isle]

I mean yeah probably, but not sure, it definitely has a lot of potential for big trunk routes

[rustic charm]

Ratzenberger died during qualifying, Senna died in the race

[civic aspen]

I got to see EI-DCL the other day, it's a shame it's not in the Boeing house colours anymore

[reef isle]

but maybe the A340 and A330 will corner the longer range market

[dusty sky]

Wait I know one

[reef isle]

Airbus house livery on a DC-9

@trim harbor obligatory JAS ping

[dusty sky]

That just looks strange

[civic aspen]

Alaska had one too!

But that's gone too 🙁

[reef isle]

Air Berlin had as well

it seemed to be relatively common for big Boeing customers at the time

it's a shame that thing seemed to have stopped now

[civic aspen]

What a beauty

[dusty sky]

I love china airlines such good liveries

[reef isle]

https://planecaptures.com/files/styles/large/public/photos/20111106154444.jpg?itok=zzwu3YFF

heritage livery-ception

[dusty sky]

Such a nice livery

[civic aspen]

The liveries these days sadly are a bit crap

[reef isle]

This thing that AAL does of doing heritage liveries of its acquired carriers is something that they carried over from US Airways, and it's always so weird 😆

there's the "US Airways" variant of most of the AAL Heritage liveries

[civic aspen]

It’s so cool

I need to choose one of these now

[rustic charm]

Btw since AirCal was mentioned

https://flightsim.to/addon/106624/aircal-n479ac-mcdonnell-douglas-md-82

We have this now

[civic aspen]

Woah :0

[rustic charm]

Also I love how Discord be Discord so it squishes all the fs.to thumbnails lol

[dusty sky]

Now only if the default md-82 on xplane wasn't 360p quality

[civic aspen]

Time to see how this goes

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile in MSFS the maddog is genuinely one of the best imo

Very well-done

[reef isle]

I remember there were a few good ones on fs.to, but I can't seem to be able to find them anymore?

[rustic charm]

And tbf, after they release their v2 it became cheaper as well lol

[civic aspen]

Okay it seems this one

[rustic charm]

Which is, not how this usually goes

[dusty sky]

Rotate made a mod to make it better

Yk the same guys who made the md-11

[reef isle]

https://flightsim.to/addon/83553/fenix-a319-us-airways-piedmont-n744p-cfm-and-iae

This is the only one I could find and this person committed the ultimate sin (stretched writing)

[civic aspen]

Looks like I'm doing Charlotte to San Antonio

[dusty sky]

Ultimate sin is mirrored livery

[civic aspen]

MSFS is doing the fucking time change thing again

[rustic charm]

https://flightsim.to/addon/101371/n744p-piedmont-pacemaker-livery-pack-w-cabin-fenix-a319

Enjoy

I remembered I downloaded that one lol

[trim harbor]

i miss jas

im sad i never got to fly on them : (

[reef isle]

thank you so much ❤️

[reef isle]

It's a huge tragedy that in MSFS24 we lost the EIS-1 mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_D1yQEt7KQ

[trim harbor]

the most i can flex with is in terms of old japan

that livery had class tho

[rustic charm]

Did we have an EIS-1 mod in 2020?

[trim harbor]

nono i believe the eis1 mod still is a thing

[reef isle]

a hues creator told me it doesn't work anymore?

[trim harbor]

oh

isnt it in the hues liveries integrated now?

with hues zcore?

[reef isle]

apparently not anymore

[reef isle]

the Fenix doesn't work anymore if you try to load the additional model

[reef isle]

oh is that in MSFS2024?

[rustic charm]

Wait guys just wait

[trim harbor]

https://flightsim.to/addon/93075/hues-zcore

i'd assume so

[wide zenith]

how did you

[rustic charm]

I'm on 2020

Where do I get it

[wide zenith]

oh i assume hues has done eis1

[reef isle]

here

@rustic charm

[trim harbor]

thats for 2024 only though

hold on

https://flightsim.to/addon/93093/hues-eis1-v2-for-the-fenixsim

this isf or 2020

[civic aspen]

I can't stand this

Stop resetting

[trim harbor]

idk if this works tho

[rustic charm]

Thank

[trim harbor]

i didnt use any hues livery for the fenix with zcore

[reef isle]

you're right guys sorry

it was a misunderstanding between me and the guy

it still works but doesn't work standalone anymore

[civic aspen]

Was going to do the flight but now I can't be arsed

[reef isle]

so yeah when he told me it doesn't work he meant just standalone, and I thought he meant in general

[civic aspen]

Stupid sim resetting bug

[rustic charm]

Now time to try to install the EIS

Idk which livery for though first

[hollow oracle]

MSFS 2024 is on sale for $12 off right now

[dusty sky]

Thank you for the announcement

I won't buy it cuz it's still too expensive

[rustic charm]

Huh that's weird

Why did they decide to do the sale now

Instead of going for Steam's spring sale, etc

[dusty sky]

I gotchu 1 sec

[rustic charm]

Oh

Yeah

Makes sense then

[trim harbor]

HALO

[hollow oracle]

i mean, still, why now

[dusty sky]

What

[hollow oracle]

like, why not participate in steam's big sale, instead of a tiny one thats studio-specific

[wide zenith]

fh6 under a month away? maybe try capitalise on the hype to get some peeps to buy fh5?

idk

[hollow oracle]

oh, today is 513 days since it released

i bet you any money they were waiting for 500 days, the spring sale ended before that milestone

this is unrelated to flight sims, but i had no idea that steam is going to do a "train fest" sale

[trim harbor]

bruh

how do u see the sales?

[hollow oracle]

steamdb

[rustic charm]

Steamdb

[trim harbor]

oh it shows sales?

[rustic charm]

Has a list of all planned sales

[trim harbor]

crazy knowledge

[rustic charm]

It doesn't show small dev-specific ones

[hollow oracle]

only steam sales though

[rustic charm]

But like

Steam's own big sales, plus all of the 'fests'

[rustic charm]

I don't remember there being one before tbh

[dusty sky]

Tsc, tsw

Uh

[rustic charm]

There was Trains, Planes & Automobiles instead I think

[dusty sky]

Derail valley maybe

[dusty sky]

That was a good one

[hollow oracle]

i was going to say, the only train sims on the market are all dovetail-owned lol

[rustic charm]

Well

[hollow oracle]

i can count the amount of train games on steam on one hand

[rustic charm]

It doesn't only include sims

[dusty sky]

Guys this is NOT the place for that

[trim harbor]

sadly

[rustic charm]

At least TP&A included literally everything to do with either category

Like

RailRoute

[hollow oracle]

[rustic charm]

Mini Airways

[wide zenith]

there has been a lot of cozy train games come out recently

[rustic charm]

Mini Metro

Etc

[dusty sky]

What

Where is that from

[trim harbor]

og timewasting game

[hollow oracle]

fenix A320

[dusty sky]

Yeah

I only now saw

Very cool

[trim harbor]

w8 new fenix update?

[hollow oracle]

tiny update

[trim harbor]

fenix neo plz

[rustic charm]

Plus tbf, Trainz still has a massive following for whichever reason, you have SimRail which has been expanding now at least, then you have like a dozen different subway sims, etc

[dusty sky]

Finally my airac isn't 2 years behind

[rustic charm]

That's long overdue tbh

I think it was initially planned to be end of last year release lol

[wide zenith]

actually coping each month for it

[trim harbor]

im not gonna bash fenix on why its taking so long because i respect their work

[hollow oracle]

nothing will ever beat the FBW A320neo honestly

[trim harbor]

but im bashing them BECAUSE ITS A DIFFERENT ENGINE

[wide zenith]

I think theyre suffering feature creep

at least from outside perspective

[hollow oracle]

theyre completely redoing the flight dynamics

[trim harbor]

oh

i didnt know that

thanks

[wide zenith]

theyre redoing the whole vnav and ecam logic too

[rustic charm]

But well, to be honest, if there's one thing certain about flight sims, it's stuff will be delayed

[dusty sky]

Now I do wonder

[hollow oracle]

which is also why it took so long for them to release the winglets, they have a completely different flight model that takes into account the effect of the winglets

[rustic charm]

Tbf they're rebuilding neos from ground up

[dusty sky]

How tf do I update my xplane cycle

[rustic charm]

Think it basically has 0 things in common with the ceos

[trim harbor]

that i knew, yes

[wide zenith]

essentially outside the model i guess you called it a 'new plane'. not that redditors will recognise that and think theyre buying the same plane twice

[rustic charm]

Even the models were redone I think they said

[wide zenith]

theyre asking 60-70 gbp for the same plane again sob sob :(

[hollow oracle]

honestly, the only real reason to get a fenix NEO pack is for an A321neo, and even then, malawarelabs released theirs, and inibuilds has one now too

[dusty sky]

Can I even update my xplane cycle

[trim harbor]

please tell me you're kidding

that its not gonna be 70 quid again

[wide zenith]

idk i was exagerrating, i expect it at like 50-60

[rustic charm]

I think it is gonna be a full price thing, yeah

[hollow oracle]

the A320neo is already extensively covered by FBW, and the A319neo is so unbelivably niche that i dont think anyone is actually going to buy it just for that

[trim harbor]

[wide zenith]

maybe a loyalty discount for owners of the original 320?

or family

[trim harbor]

will the fenix neo have the LR/XLR for the 321 however

[rustic charm]

No 319s though so I'd assume that not a full 320 + 319/321 price, just the full 320 base price

[trim harbor]

did they say anything about it

[rustic charm]

Don't remember tbh

[hollow oracle]

i dont believe so

[dusty sky]

What cycle is msfs 2020 on again?

[full plank]

probably will tbf

[hollow oracle]

xplane is the navigraph FMS data manager, and MSFS is navigraph hub

i dont know if you can even download them without a subscription though

[dusty sky]

😭

[wide zenith]

I'm kinda expecting it to be everything

[dusty sky]

It's so expensive though

[wide zenith]

I'm just hoping it doesn't arrive when all the other aircraft are releasing this year

[rustic charm]

Be like me, fly old data

[full plank]

all happy with Fenix & all, but my 321neo needs have been met with the FSLabs

[dusty sky]

I am

But like

[hollow oracle]

i really dont particularly enjoy fenix's PR team too, or at least their devs just say whatever they feel like, which is really bad

[dusty sky]

Vatsim controllers are gonna get annoyed

[full plank]

tbf we get people with outdated airacs all the time, its no big deal

[hollow oracle]

i dont know how you would ever fly VATSIM without charts at the very least though

i cant even fly without charts normally

[rustic charm]

Who said we fly with no charts

Chartfox has 90% of them

[dusty sky]

[hollow oracle]

true, chartfox exists, i just dont prefer their UI

[rustic charm]

And the rest can be found quite easily too

[full plank]

only airport I can navigate pretty easily without getting charts up is EKCH

[wide zenith]

Am I right in saying 24 has a bunch of lido charts?

[dusty sky]

I don't like that Italy doesn't have any for some reason

[hollow oracle]

yeah, it has a built-in flight planner and everything too, its weird

[rustic charm]

For me that's UUEE

Plus well, several others, but most of those don't require much navigation. Just one taxiway, one runway

UUEE is the only big one I can easily go through without any charts

[full plank]

I would've thrown EKBI, EKRN & EKAH into the mix but they're pretty small airports

EKRH is truly the easiest one of them all

[dusty sky]

Now my question is how the hell do I get Kai tak the be in my xplane airport database

[rustic charm]

I think if you install a scenery for it, it should get added to the list

[dusty sky]

The xplane list yes

The FMC list no

[full plank]

this'll be fucking fun

[wide zenith]

funnily enough I updated my airac on navi hub before this flight then updated fenix :x

[hollow oracle]

i think i did the same thing

didnt even consider that it would downgrade it

oh yeah, has anyone else had issues with the indiafoxtecho F-14 and chaseplane? for some reason the joker menu breaks with chaseplane

i dont know if something is outdated or what though

[full plank]

thank you random vatsim member for telling me what to do

you can tongue punch my fartbox you fucker

[hollow oracle]

one insult that i learned recently is "you can sit on it and spin" is my new favorite

[rustic charm]

What should you do

[full plank]

''please use CTAF for all communications'' yea while you told us your fucking life story on 122.8

I think it is pretty apparent for those of us with the ability to read

[rustic charm]

https://tenor.com/bFREw.gif

[full plank]

theres a reason I don't interact much with the flight sim community, mostly because for the most part its a gaggle of mongs that fly PMDG aircraft once & think they're hot shit

[hollow oracle]

i got my moms old fire tablet to use for navigraph and stuff, but its ANCIENT, and it loads navigraph at like 5FPS 😭

[rustic charm]

& don't forget the "I have a PPL, so I know best about every single aircraft and everybody should listen to me"

[full plank]

I am a vatsim controller so I am the expert in all things aviation

[rustic charm]

Also what I often find funny is how if a real pilot said something about a sim plane, then it must be right

[full plank]

anyway now I finally found an excuse & some time away from the job to rescue the Hotas X from the top shelf

[rustic charm]

Obviously if you hold an ATPL irl it gives you a lot of credibility on generic aviation questions, and like, if you fly an A320 irl for example, it makes you really credible when talking about any A320

But then thing is, when it comes to other types, those pilots are... just simmers, like everyone else. If you fly an A320, it doesn't mean your word about a 747 will always be correct

[full plank]

obviously in regards to systems yea, I'd never trust people when they sim with like an xbox controller & bitch about how it feels

[rustic charm]

And most of the youtubers/etc actually understand that, but audiences don't

[wide zenith]

this era of flight sim needs a matt davies

[full plank]

you'd never catch me complaining about how a truck in ETS2 doesn't feel ''correct'' to drive cause im using an xbox controller

I kinda stopped reading aircraft reviews because most of it is, glazing Fenix & cursing PMDG

[rustic charm]

Honestly I just don't even try to say "feels realistic/unrealistic"

I have no idea how this plane is supposed to fly

Now whether it feels nice or not, that I can judge, but that is entirely subjective

[full plank]

the only time I said something felt super unrealistic was when I flew a fully loaded aircraft & it felt like I was flying a fighter jet

but nah, im not a pilot in the real world & honestly all the gimmicky shit that flight simmers care about is just

[rustic charm]

Well yeah, sometimes you get things that are pretty obvious

[full plank]

''oh it doesn't have CBs you can pull'' yea well name me 1 instance where you need to pull a circuit breaker

[rustic charm]

What's important for me is whether I can fly it from one place to another and enjoy it, and in case what, do holds/diversions, etc

[full plank]

if I can fly it on Vatsim & it doesn't obliterate my hearing then its all good

rest of it is sorta I don't really give a shit

[civic aspen]

Please contact me on 121.676

[rustic charm]

"Well you need CBs when you have failures!!!"

"You have 12097 hours, how many failures have you had yet?"

"1..."

"Did you pull a circuit breaker?"

"No, it was the left cockpit fan, it stopped working..."

[full plank]

I've had 1 failure in the 777, took off from Boston, had an engine failure so spun around & landed & that was that

[wide zenith]

I care more about a stable product that can do a turnaround

than I could anything else

[rustic charm]

Like, I always say, failures are nice to have, I like having them, you occasionally get an element of surprise in your flights, but if they're not there, it's not a big deal at all

[wide zenith]

unless you're doing a type rating and using the simulation as practice for that

guarantee 95% of simmers dont gaf

[rustic charm]

But then you really shouldn't be relying too much on these at-home simulators

[full plank]

I will say though that once Thermo King gets released for ETS2 1.59 I will be super critical

it better be the loudest thing on the planet or we're gonna have an issue

[full plank]

I will say the Techlog stuff in the FSLabs aircraft is a nice addition

has caught me off-guard a few times

[rustic charm]

What's it about?

I honestly haven't looked at FSL much

Wasn't flying yet in P3D, and in MSFS I just have the Fenix

[full plank]

Basically every flight its always gonna have something going on

So for example it could be “toilet roll holder broken” or something

[wide zenith]

MEL is nice, I watched my friend use it and its quite cool

[rustic charm]

Whenever they finally bring over the Concorde though, I'll definitely end up buying it. Probably not day 1 or even close to release cause I'm not that big of a Concorde fan, but eventually for sure

[full plank]

But also something like “Door 1R sensor blocked” so it’ll show as open in the EICAM despite being closed

[rustic charm]

Ah, well that's kinda neat

That is realistic too after all

Cause even these tiniest things actually get logged

[full plank]

Its a minor thing, but I quite like it

[full plank]

it probably will be a day 1 purchase for me tbh, if the Concorde for P3D is anything to go by, the MSFS one will be fucking gorgeous

[trim harbor]

best feature in that plane

if the lights go inop theres an actual sticker over it

super cool

[full plank]

honestly its stuff like that & the fact I've flown the FSLabs suite for years that makes me prefer the FSLabs over the Fenix

[trim harbor]

the only big complaint i have is performance

[hollow oracle]

has jemblue been said yet

easyjem and jemblue

[trim harbor]

sky too prety

[civic aspen]

I love the boris sounds so much

[hollow oracle]

fuck, i forgot that the MD-11 still isnt cleared for service :(

i wanted to check FR24 to see any live MD-11 flights, but there isnt any

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2044921721359057232?s=20

CBS News (@CBSNews)

Spirit Airlines could go out of business overnight – essentially stranding flyers who have tickets already. Here's what we know.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 16, 2026, 11:31 PM

oop

[hollow oracle]

lol, there goes my last straw with STKP

https://tenor.com/view/trash-gif-2361821020017150027

cant even import flights from volanta too

[dusty sky]

GOD DAMN GOES HARD

[trim harbor]

rise and shine

[trim harbor]

me omw to heathrow

idk who asked about shared cockpit for fs2024 but

https://fscopilot.com/

this released today

[trim harbor]

@rustic charm did u try the TU134A

[rustic charm]

Not yet

[trim harbor]

Whats the western quiv of it in terms of range and usage if u know?

[rustic charm]

I'd say the DC-9

Or F28

[trim harbor]

damnit

[rustic charm]

Flying shared cockpit with @dusty sky

[dusty sky]

bro get back in vc what happened

[trim harbor]

what app r yall usin

[rustic charm]

Yourcontrols

[reef isle]

Speaking of shared cockpit. Would maybe mind trying tomorrow with the T154?

We can fly at the Moscow vatsim events with the KLN90B GPS

I haven't seen any routes yet, but anything 2000s could be fun with GPS

[rustic charm]

Sure

[reef isle]

Short-ish flight, maybe around 1h/1h30m flight time?

Maybe 2h?

[reef isle]

I'll let you know the exact time

[rustic charm]

Alright

[dusty sky]

it's buggy as hell

it is NOT working well

[trim harbor]

thats what i meant with yourcontrols

it works when it wants

[dusty sky]

ik

NoOne pushed

[rustic charm]

Yeah, so, pushback is no

[dusty sky]

I was still at the stand

[dusty sky]

the default asobo A320neo is so bad

I knew it was bad but not this bad

[rustic charm]

Basically we scrapped that flight and just went to try it on default planes etc

[rustic charm]

Could do that?

[reef isle]

yes, would you maybe mind Domodedovo instead?

that's where the VATSIM thingy is centered

but no doubt other airports will be controlled so should work

But yeah that's good

[rustic charm]

Uhh, well I'd need to get a plane to Domodedovo then

[reef isle]

No

that's fine as well

what airline?

[rustic charm]

It's Atlant Soyuz

[reef isle]

sounds good, Tu154b2 or M?

[rustic charm]

M

[reef isle]

alright, time anywhere around 1300z is good?

not exactly but you know

roughly

[rustic charm]

Yeah, sounds fine to me

[dusty sky]

actually have shared cockpit work on vatsim hopefully for you 2

[rustic charm]

Well apparently in XP it works better

Plus we can start at a non-pushback stand too, they're really commonly used in Vnukovo

[trim harbor]

its v good

[trim harbor]

fly high my love

[hollow oracle]

whar happen?

oh, of course, thanks trump

[civic aspen]

Last flight of the night, AAL3226 from Charlotte over to Columbus

[civic aspen]

All of the 5 flights today

[rustic charm]

Oh that's amazing tbh

[trim harbor]

Iran war and lufthansa wanted to get rid of it

[rustic charm]

@civic aspen show us the TWA 737

Also have a good landing

[reef isle]

welp, @rustic charm you can forget the thing today

sharedflight doesn't accept my debit card

and I can't pay in any other way

(not going to create a link account just for this)

[rustic charm]

Ah, alright

Weird it doesn't accept it

[reef isle]

it's an issue on my end

I don't know why, lots of payment processors don't accept it

I did already go to the bank a few months ago and they told me everything was fine

I might go back

[rustic charm]

Also weird they don't just accept paypal or something

[reef isle]

yeah I get it

PayPal is kind of shadey and it keeps a commision

but yeah, makes it annoying for me

[rustic charm]

Well tbh any payment method gets a cut

I don't know how much paypal takes though, maybe they're just greedy

[reef isle]

Yeah but I do remember someone (maybe Linus?) said that PayPal was particularly bad

for a few reasons I don't remember 😅

(PayPal was bad to implement as a payment processor)*

not in general

Hopefully you didn't have to scrap any plans or do any sacrificies to be here

I should have checked it before to be completely honest

sorry

[rustic charm]

Dw, I didn't have anything today

[trim harbor]

Good livery

[rustic charm]

Lauda ❤️

[wide zenith]

so fsltl injectors fr24 api is goneso :c

30apr its gonna become static aircraft only

So either I use batc or start flying vatsim again :v

anyone here used JFs FS traffic?

[civic aspen]

https://flightsim.to/addon/41120/american-airlines-twa-heritage-n915nn-pmdg-737-800

[wide zenith]

vdgs be like: 🆗

[hollow oracle]

What??? Why???

[wide zenith]

for what I know, FR24 in sept last year sold 35% of itself to some equity

thus has be believing its no coincidence

[hollow oracle]

Oh, I misread, I thought you said FS24, not FR24

Cant you use ADSB data with FSLTL? I know that it doesn’t rely solely on FR24

And you can also use the AIG stuff with MSFS too, which is completely offline traffic

[wide zenith]

I'll look into AIG

but yeah idk about ADSB, but FR24 has basically sold itself :p

and its what it mostly uses?

aint reading allat 🗣️

[wide zenith]

within like a minute of opening the app I get an ad now 😭

[hollow oracle]

I don’t use live traffic too much so I wasn’t 100% certain

[hollow oracle]

I use it mostly for P3D, it’s the old FSX system where it’s a schedule and AI aircraft follow the schedule, it’s not perfect but it is relatively realistic traffic

I think it also allows for things like AI aircraft reacting to your presence, which is a lot better than them phasing through you

Though, the other day I saw 3 aircraft that were lined up to land on the same runway in KBWI 10 seconds from each other, and all went around except the last one, so it’s not perfect

[wide zenith]

Mhmm

neither is BATC testing again tonight :p

idk what i'll do, fsltl was just easy plug and play, batc is odd at times, vatsim is also odd for different reasons

might see if just flights ai traffic thing is on sale at some point and get it to try it out

[hollow oracle]

I haven’t tried BATC for literally over a year, and I haven’t tried out the LLM stuff firsthand

[wide zenith]

I haven't used it in a long time until today

and idk it annoys me, even outside the ethical stuff I hold against it

probably won't try sayintentions for a similar reason

maybe one day we'll get a good inbuilt atc system in a sim :p

but we still haven't got shared cockpit or double jetways so

[hollow oracle]

for something like BATC, i feel like its AI usage is unavoidable for the product they want to give

AI has good uses, and AI has bad uses, and i feel like BATC is kind of neutral good

fantastic routings

[hollow oracle]

still the superior e-jet product

not gonna lie, i've considered getting a flight log book or something to track my flights outside of just volanta

[hollow oracle]

i could probably just get regular lined notebook paper and write it in there in my binder

[civic aspen]

https://flightsim.to/addon/104816/horizon-787-rr-physics-mod

If anyone had issues flying the HS 787 before, this is very good

[hollow oracle]

i havent had any issues with it, but i wasnt particularly jazzed flying it i guess, its just mediocre

which isnt bad for a free mod, but a little dissapointing that it's the best right now

[civic aspen]

Yeah. Hopefully we get our new one this year

[hollow oracle]

most calm RJ flight

[civic aspen]

MSFS or xplane?

I had a look at the FSS E-Jet and I’m not sure yet

[hollow oracle]

XP12, the x-crafts payware e-jets

the FSS e-jets are still not good

[civic aspen]

🙁

I did think about having both xplane and MSFS, but I just don’t have the storage

[hollow oracle]

i am having a good and easy approach

i am not a fan of how embraer has their navigation mode setup

even just hitting FMS mode disables LNAV and VNAV, and causes your aircraft to drift and climb

i'm trying to become more lenient with my flights too, even if i fuck up something in the flight path, realistically nothing would happen for something that small, so its not worth just ending the entire flight over it

nevermind, it happened twice on approach

[tired pond]

I'm on the experimental branch and I'm finding that BATC is getting better and better

I do wish they did taxi instructions differently though

As it reading in sim taxiways means that if the scenery hasn't been done properly you're getting all intersections

[runic hare]

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/99303-b737-400-xp11-xp12/

Anyone tried this yet?

Apparently it’s pretty good

[rustic charm]

Well we kinda have shared cockpit

And like

It almost works

Some things are buggy/don't work, the main issue is the pushback

But in-flight it actually works fine

As for double jetways, that would be nice

[rustic charm]

Looks pretty neat

[rustic charm]

LTU is fun

Cause who else would fly TriStars to Corfu

[trim harbor]

a certified good airline\

[rustic charm]

A certified good aircraft too

Guess I should try to figure out PMS at least

[dusty sky]

PMS?

[rustic charm]

Power management system

[rustic charm]

Me failing to start the engines on the thing now is the funniest shit ever

Somehow I did it fine on my first 2 flights

[reef isle]

Rember the APU BLEED S/O

[rustic charm]

Yeah, did that, I just forgot to disable the packs

Managed to start up

And then completely fucked up the takeoff and ended up in a ditch cause I was distracted

Will reattempt it later

[dusky leaf]

Rare airliner flight for me

[wide zenith]

Its pretty possible this was the reason for that, I'm running the old mkstudio LIRF so maybe its a bit spicy for that reason. which is a reminder I need to upgrade to v2...

[wide zenith]

I mean natively with the sim, but the 3rd party programs do a good job at least

and yeah double jetways when?? in the dev steam they were like 'its not a priortiy but very possibly one day'

please asobo

[wide zenith]

the TUI livery works so good on the 78

[tired pond]

First proper landing on vatsim, got a damn hold lmao

[rustic charm]

Does the XP 732 have a freighter/combi variant?

[hollow oracle]

no, there are a few mods that make it sorta into one though

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/71862-fjs-732-twinjet-v3-exterior-cargo-conversion/

[rustic charm]

Good enough

Did it get XP12 compatibility yet

[hollow oracle]

nope :(

[rustic charm]

Sad

Gonna have to wait for that then

[trim harbor]

its gonna be a new product

because they're also adding the modern 732 to it

w gravel kit n stuf

[dusky leaf]

LOL

[hollow oracle]

wait.. what is broken with the 732 in XP12?

i realized that i actually hadnt tried it in XP12, and it loads in fine, i havent seen any issues so far

[trim harbor]

they didnt officialy make it compat, unless they released a patch now?

[hollow oracle]

this is just the stock version that I had downloaded from store.xplane

[trim harbor]

last i know jack halted the 732 for xp12 because he got busy working on other things and they wanted to make a complete overhaul for it

[hollow oracle]

the only thing that probably doesnt work in XP12 is the CIVA, because that's an XP10/11 plugin

[trim harbor]

and the flight dynamics might be off

[hollow oracle]

its not recognizing avitab either, but the rotate MD-11 wasnt either when i flew that last

[trim harbor]

avitab for sure works in 12 though

[hollow oracle]

im gonna do a quick lap around KCLT to see how it handles

[rustic charm]

Fuck yeah

[rustic charm]

Hmm, the water here is made of water

[hollow oracle]

lol, better pushback is not having a good time with the 732, thats for sure

[rustic charm]

Time for an overnight delivery

Already have the A300 done, now gonna do an A310

I had a Thai MD-11 delivered but I had to retire this one and nobody's actually made a different reg so I can't re-deliver it...

[hollow oracle]

ah.. yeah... thats not good, the engine gen busses wont turn on, and the hydraulics dont turn on either

[dusky leaf]

Aye, it will load in, but thats about all it will do

[hollow oracle]

oh god, tomodachi life has an A320ceo with IAEs

[trim harbor]

Baller game

[rustic charm]

I am right about where it all went to shit on the first A300 attempt

[rustic charm]

Another delivery

[wide zenith]

fenix sponsored pushback

[reef isle]

hopefuily it'll be done tomorrow or later today

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/8/0/7982087.jpg?v=v427c74bf543

Finally managed to sort out my mental health enough to start working on stuff again 😅

[rustic charm]

Ooh didn't know that was a thing

Looks cool

[reef isle]

EAL hybrid 😄

I think it was only D-AERC

[rustic charm]

I see

Red fits well imo

Although I'd say, I think regular LTU looks better on them

I really need to redo yesterday's failed flight. Taking a TriStar into Corfu surely will be fun...

Apparently though LTU weren't the only ones

Nordic East Airways also flew there in Tristars

And Monarch used A306s

[trim harbor]

holy shit

how pretty

[reef isle]

I'll do Air Luxor next

so you can go to Madeira 🙂

(if nobody else does it)

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/9/4/9/0481949.jpg?v=v40

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/6/2/0756263.jpg?v=v40

[rustic charm]

Sounds fun, I've actually not done Madeira yet

[reef isle]

that's a fun mismatch 😆

[rustic charm]

Oh that's cute lol

Also ngl, I wonder if there was any talk of a -1/-200 within ini... cause I'm very sure the Tristar actually sold really well

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBJhzfvdyKw

🤞 🙏

[rustic charm]

I wouldn't be too surprised if it even outsold the A340 (which also kinda needs an expansion, I know I'm probably the only one but the -200 would be kinda cool)

I don't really like when devs do like one-offs

It's good to at least have something of course

But I think if you start something, it's going to work (and sell) much better overall if you finish it

Of course you can't make everything, some things always get omitted

But look at JustFlight for example - imagine if they only released the F28-1000, and no others

Or if PMDG only made extended range 777s and no origi- oh...

[trim harbor]

golden hour departure

[rustic charm]

Isn't it bit early for golden hour in the UK

[trim harbor]

i dont fly real tiem

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

Meanwhile I'm in the minibus over the Baltic sea

[reef isle]

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/1/0/1/0252101.jpg?v=v40

new 1011 lore

[rustic charm]

Five star tristar

And of course it's on a TWA base

[reef isle]

most successful de-regulation startup airline in the 1980s US:

[rustic charm]

Honestly why does it feel like almost all of such things we see on 1011s are on the TWA livery

[reef isle]

I don't know hahah

but I'm just glad it happened

[rustic charm]

Also I really need to step up my TWA game, I think I've got 0 planes delivered for them

Although, I only have 1 Pan Am plane too, and it's not even in the US

[trim harbor]

what is five star

i only know five guys

[rustic charm]

Minibus

[trim harbor]

same!

[rustic charm]

Almost there

[trim harbor]

finnair is one of those airlines where the new livery actually looks better

[rustic charm]

Well...

This isn't the new livery

[trim harbor]

no i meant like

the current one

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Airbus_A350-941_'OH-LWA'_Finnair_(22457807972).jpg

[rustic charm]

I don't think it looks better

It's just... bland

Empty

[trim harbor]

its a bit bland but i prefer it

looks clean in its own way

fits finnland

[rustic charm]

Idk, I much prefer this one

I also really like both ones before it

I would've used the short-lived 90s livery, but there isn't one for 2020

And this is just cool obviously

I love how they just painted the tail into their flag

Imo it's something that is actually correct when you're the flag carrier

[trim harbor]

THAT ONES GOOD

caps

[rustic charm]

On older planes it would also have a polished belly

Finnair MD-11s never got that

But their DC-10s, DC-9s I think, DC-8s, Caravelles, all used to have bare metal starting just lower of the blue stripe

[rustic charm]

This one's going to Corfu v2

Aaand nope again

It just didn't rotate

Into the trees we go

What's wrong with me lol

[reef isle]

Forgot trim?

Forgot Hydraulics?

[rustic charm]

Trim indeed

Taxiing out again

Well, I took off at least

But now I have no idea what is happening, cause the AP is on and controls the roll (follows heading mode correctly) but I still have manual control over pitch... what

Okay seems to be fine now

[reef isle]

Nice ❤️

[dusty sky]

Have you even done a livery for the fbw neo

[rustic charm]

Pink

[dusty sky]

A very nice pink

[dusty sky]

Man I'm jealous

[rustic charm]

I have a choice now

Winds favour 16 a fair bit

But 16 only has RNAV options, so I could try to vector myself to the north of the island and shoot a visual attempt

Alternative I could try a more conventional, VORDME-assisted approach to 34 with a tailwind

[reef isle]

I'd do a visual

either a circle to land or just a normal visual approach

[rustic charm]

As far as I know, CTLs are unavailable

This is literally the only charted procedure for 16

[dusty sky]

Hold on bro I got you

[rustic charm]

Well, at least I can confirm the conditions are visual-permitting

[reef isle]

looks fun, I'd just fly that visually

[dusty sky]

Lemme ask the Greek controller

[dusty sky]

What is CTL

[reef isle]

Circle to Land

[rustic charm]

Tbf if I just forgot about the STAR, started descending some 40 miles earlier, I would've been able to do a straight-in visual

[dusty sky]

So did I just message the Greek guy for no reason

[rustic charm]

That would've also increased my chances of hitting the hill by some 50% or so

[dusty sky]

😭

Worst pilot ever lmao

[reef isle]

@rustic charm you could have definitely circled

https://arhangelsk-nord.ucoz.ru/_fr/0/LGKR-IOANNIS_KA.pdf

those are 2011 charts I think

[dusty sky]

Yk what I hate about LGAV

They have a departure called KRO2N

And also a departure called KOR2N

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/SecAFOfficial/status/2046277241613758733?s=20

Office of the Secretary of the Air Force (@SecAFOfficial)

In consultation with @SecWar, we will EXTEND the A-10 “Warthog” platform to 2030. This preserves combat power as the Defense Industrial Base works to increase combat aircraft production.

Thank you to @POTUS for your unwavering support of our warfighters and quick, decisive

X · Apr 20, 2026, 5:18 PM

[reef isle]

@rustic charm

[hollow oracle]

the A-10 has been 2 weeks away from being retired for as long as iran has been 2 weeks away from developing nuclear weapons

[dusty sky]

Let the thing die already it's not even that good for CAS

[reef isle]

it's not even good, full stop.

[dusty sky]

Real

Su-25 is legit better if maintained

[reef isle]

now you lost me

[dusty sky]

Like what they did with the Su-25

They took armor off one engine to put more on the pilot

Now what if that engine gets hit

You have another one that's armored

Like I can't even argue with that logic

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNHjWxNz9w

@rustic charm you could have definitely circled these guys are crazy

[rustic charm]

Well those I'm pretty sure are mostly intended to circle and land on 34

[reef isle]

Of course it's a Tu-204

[rustic charm]

Okay, now I see

[dusty sky]

😭

Always the Russian planes I swear

What airline

[reef isle]

Should be for both, once you're visual, you can do whatever you want*

[rustic charm]

I tell you, Russian pilots often have more fucking confidence than local pilots

[reef isle]

at least they didn't try to do it blind this time

[rustic charm]

You know Tivat?

[reef isle]

Yes

[rustic charm]

Everyone lands northbound through the valley onto 32

[reef isle]

yes

[dusty sky]

Tivat

Where was that again

Probably heard of it just forgot

[rustic charm]

The only times I've seen anybody circle over the bay onto 14 was, well, Air Montenegro on their Embraers and stuff, and various Russian airlines on literally everything they have

Back in the day, literally the only people to fly widebodies into Tivat, were Russian airlines

[dusty sky]

Ofc the other airline is Balkan

[rustic charm]

It's a 2km runway with absolutely 0 runoffs, they put a fucking Il-86 there, literally the most underpowered plane ever known to man

[rustic charm]

Tivat is in Montenegro, it's their airport

[dusty sky]

Russians would fly 747's to fucking makedonia if they could

[reef isle]

I was about to say

didn't they fly an IL-86 there?

that's crazy

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/3/6/1273633.jpg?v=v40

love to see it

[rustic charm]

I'm not old enough to remember Il-86 climbouts out of there, but the place where our family often spent the summers is right under the normal departure path, right on the coast in the bay. My father says when an Il-86 would fly out of there, they'd pass over the house at like, 1km or something, so low that you'd actually be able to see in detail that it's an Il-86 (and not a 96 for example)

[reef isle]

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/9/7/2/1564279.jpg?v=v40

takeoff with most margin:

[dusty sky]

"we built whole runway we use whole runway"

[reef isle]

the IL-86's way of life

I would love to have this plane in any flight sim

[rustic charm]

I remember there's a rather widespread video of an Il-62 taking off and passing like, maybe 20ft over the trees and fences. I am very sure that was in Tivat

[dusty sky]

It's a cool plane

I'm scared of flying it though

Hold on one sec

[reef isle]

I did one or two flights with it in FSX

was a lot of fun

but the systems are very shallow

[dusty sky]

Wdym top speed mach .782

[rustic charm]

Just shot my first one - quite obviously a miss, but I think if I take a bit further north before turning in, I can make it work

Honestly I love how the AP can take care of just vertical or just horizontal modes

I'm pretty sure that's not something most other planes do

I am right now sitting with it fully managing my altitude in proper alt hold, yet roll? I am fully in control

Or I should say

I am fully in controll

I will not apologise

I am down

Welcome to Corfu, Greece

It has been a while since I had an approach this intense

[full plank]

Corfu my beloved

[reef isle]

Nice ❤️

[ancient burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nArAQ-We82o

[tired pond]

Wasn't expecting to see p3d on here

Well, at least not for something that's available in 2020/24

[reef isle]

🙂 still a few details to add and I'm fairly sure the way the line goes up the vertical stabilizer is wrong and should be angled differently

but making progress

something I unfortunately didn't notice when I first made it

it's definitely not straight

this would also fix this widening (that not really a thing in the real one) without changing the geometry and lining up with the horizontal stabilizer

also somehow I managed to make it not follow the stabilizer properly 🤦‍♂️

I don't want to think about this now so I'll do the outline on the doors

I should make the cockpit window frames a little less metallic, but that's another thing for future me to worry about

[rustic charm]

Just saw an Il-62 on Volanta, now I'm sad we don't have one in either XP or MSFS

[wide zenith]

heres hoping giving this a second chance wont be a mistake :p

it was

can't even input a route manually without WASM

at least I didnt make it off the ground

[rustic charm]

Average FS24 activities

[wide zenith]

Average WASM code base aircraft :p

ifly and fenix are awesome in that they don't rely on the WASM module

[rustic charm]

Honestly it's funny cause I just counted

I have 12 completed flights in FS24

And I have 4 which had to be scrapped due to sim issues, WASM and stuff

So like

For now 25% of my flights in FS24 ended in failure because of the sim

[wide zenith]

I've done 72 flights in 24, 60-70% of those are in the fenix so I don't suffer it

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile I've got 356 flights in FS20, and I can only immediately think of 1 where the sim fucked up. I'm sure there are a couple more, but that'd be a failure rate of 1-2%

[wide zenith]

PMDG aircraft I rarely get wasms, its just inibuilds and the fss that I get the most wasms

[rustic charm]

Yeah, inibuilds stuff has those a lot

And lucky me

Out of those 16 attempted and 12 successful flights

15 attempted and 12 successful were on inibuilds planes

Tried the TFDi once cause some Brazilian airports didn't have any sceneries for 2020, the sim had other plans

[wide zenith]

it does make me dread whatever ini decide to do project wise modern airliner next

cause whatever it is, causes a market split that makes other aircraft devs shy away from it

and that aircraft will likely be buggy and filled with wasms also

[rustic charm]

Is there anything modern left

I mean

They are working on the A380 still I think

But other than that

The modern market is literally taken apart

[wide zenith]

I expect them to a 'premium' a330 due to demand, and may end up meaning we don't get a stable a330 from say fenix and stuff

theres still some modern boeings but yeah :x its saturated already

[rustic charm]

You have FSL & Fenix (plus like 6 other lower-end devs) on the 320s & neos, ini & Aerosoft (plus Headwind for the neo) on A330s, FBW & ini on the 380, PMDG on the 777s

Even the C919 is taken

Which is why I hope devs will finally start turning either towards the older market, or towards the 'made out of stalinium, forged by communism' market

Either one is a win

[wide zenith]

orrr the market completely crashes once we get a stable good version of each aircraft as money isn't returned from just doing updates. but by that point we could be heading into the next generation of flight sim (although I feel as if we've peaked for desktop based content so idk what that even looks like)

[rustic charm]

Honestly for the eastern market it doesn't even have to be old, I would absolutely love a Tu-204/214, or an MC-21 if it ever gets completed in reality to begin with

[wide zenith]

more older aircraft and eastern stuff would be nice, but i feel like for ini the tristar is an example of whether they carry on doing that and if it made them enough

[rustic charm]

I mean, that's really unlikely

[wide zenith]

ive seen quite a few flying it so hopefully

[rustic charm]

Yes old stuff or Soviet stuff sells worse than an A320, cause an A320 is really easy to fly and is really common

But also, old stuff still sells well enough to offset the development costs, otherwise we wouldn't see any of it, yet we have JF planes (which are old and rather niche), FSS 727s, even the ini 1011

ini would've never even started the 1011 if they weren't 99.9% sure that it would sell well

[wide zenith]

Crash might be an exaggeration but some studios like ini I can see downsizing once the moderns are done cause they can't upkeep

[dusty sky]

I'd fly warsaw-jfk in an il-62

If there was one

[rustic charm]

Ngl I wish ini just went back and at the very least just adapted the A300 EFB to the A310

Forget PWs, forget freighters, forget -200s

This EFB is just soooo much nicer

[wide zenith]

Same, the a310 could do with an update

[rustic charm]

Unfortunately probably will never happen unless Asobo asks for it...

[trim harbor]

Idk how u keep getting a wasm in kt

It

[wide zenith]

lowkey maybe i'm just unlucky

[trim harbor]

I‘ve done a handful flights w it in 24 and had no wasms (yet)

[wide zenith]

don't jinx it :p

[trim harbor]

:(((

A350 has been a nightmare for me however

Turning the cabin off fixed about 75% but still

[rustic charm]

VNAV? Nope. Level change? Hell yeah

[reef isle]

I've never had a WASM crash ever in MSFS

[rustic charm]

Lucky 😭

Although well, I've only had a few with the 340

[reef isle]

It probably helps that I don't fly any ini plane

[rustic charm]

Tbf other planes were fine for me

[reef isle]

And the only PMDG plane I fly from time to time is the 772

[rustic charm]

No issues with the 330 even, and the 1011 is good too

[reef isle]

I never had an issue with the 1011

Not even the INS freezing up

[rustic charm]

Neither

The only issues I've had with it were skill issues

"What damage do you have?"
"Talent"

[full plank]

its the only reason I rarely fly the ini A340, felt burned enough by the A350 that I don't really trust ini as a competent aircraft developer

[trim harbor]

thank you dear groundcrerw

[rustic charm]

Ahem

Something's wrong, I can feel it

[hollow oracle]

Fr, I only really have P3D installed for the stuff that isn’t in any other sim

[full plank]

sheesh

[full plank]

big Gatwick

[rustic charm]

As if I've already done this...