Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

I was already looking at pitchforks on amazon

[dusty sky]

Have fun guys

[rustic charm]

Thanks

[dusty sky]

I'll fly my 747's and A330's cuz I can't afford shit 😭

[rustic charm]

You'll get stuff eventually

For now just hold on

[dusty sky]

Eventually in like 7 years

[rustic charm]

And it's installed

[fickle oar]

WE balling tn

[rustic charm]

Time to install liveries

[trim harbor]

@reef isle did the tristars have this by defualt?

[nimble sphinx]

Is it only out on the marketplace or is it also out on Ini's site

[trim harbor]

MS store only

[reef isle]

I think the 500 might have

[nimble sphinx]

Was it always gonna be Markeplace only? Wasn't following too much lol

[reef isle]

Marketplace only for a few months, then available on the iniStore also

You'll be able to transfer ownership from the Marketplace to the iniStore once it'll get released there

[nimble sphinx]

Gotcha, I'll pick it up then

[reef isle]

Yes 😆

And rightly so being honest

[trim harbor]

i cant click the perf data button

[rustic charm]

Oh btw

[reef isle]

Well now that it's out I can talk about it freely 😄

[trim harbor]

only perf mgt

[rustic charm]

Already one thing to pick with you

Actually no, not yet

Gonna confirm it in-sim first

[reef isle]

You can cycle through all the patches with BCK and FWD anyway IIRC

[trim harbor]

ah

thanks

[reef isle]

If it's anything 3d model related I don't care 😆

[rustic charm]

Yeah, tbf it's not difficult. Ini allows you to transfer anything you buy on the marketplace, you just need to show a screenshot of you owning whatever you want to transfer and provide the transaction number

[rustic charm]

Livery-related

[reef isle]

Ah then I didn't check all of them

(obviously) 😅

Anyway

Plane

[rustic charm]

Well, it's BA, I'm sure you checked BA Negus

[nimble sphinx]

$50 later I have a TriStar

[trim harbor]

holy smokes

[rustic charm]

Dirt

[trim harbor]

i dont know if thats airworthy anymore

also jfc i gotta install it and nott stream it

[rustic charm]

Honestly, don't think it'd get that dirty even after a few years in Victorville lol

[trim harbor]

the textures go blurry quite frequently

[reef isle]

I think the A/P in many ways is disappointing, especially all the vertical modes, it's definitely OK and usable, but I'd like it to be more "reactive", feels like a step down from even the Wilson.

I really do appreciate that they didn't make the A/P exceptionally good, like JF did, but at the same time it's not as bad as the FJS. I think the overall struck a decent balance.

I think the A/P vertical modes is something they'll look at.

CWS is awkward, I don't particularly like the trim management it does, so sometimes you have to pull a lot, and you lose your ability to trim.

Yaw Damper is also not aggressive enough.

The F/D I often disagree with

The cabin pressurisation system feels very basic?

But the flight model I absolutely love

I really really enjoy hand flying it

The sounds are very good

The model looks good

The INS is missing some features I'd consider important, but it's good enough for A-B use

[rustic charm]

Tbf I have a friend who said he didn't really like how it sounded in previews

I don't really care, sounds to me aren't super important, as long as it sounds similar enough it's fine for me

[rustic charm]

What is missing?

[reef isle]

Remote waypoint loading, Track Hold and Manual Mode

[trim harbor]

whats all of those?

[rustic charm]

Hmm, interesting

Not even manual mode

I'm pretty sure even FSS included it

Oh

Well that's fun

The liveries no work

[reef isle]

Remote waypoint loading
You load up the waypoints in unit n.1 and they get automatically "transferred" to unit 2 and 3

Track Hold
It holds current track (not heading)

Manual Mode
Doesn't automatically sequence waypoints, so you get to the next waypoint and it will continue on the same track indefinitely

[trim harbor]

oh wait what

so i cant master/slave the INS?

thats actually awful

[reef isle]

Correct

[reef isle]

You'll have to just use unit 1

[rustic charm]

Hey wth, it doesn't see any liveries lol

[rustic charm]

I hope they improve on that

[reef isle]

I believe this is something they're looking to add, same with improving the A/P

[rustic charm]

Welp

Idk where iniManager installed the liveries

But it sure as hell didn't install them into FS24 lol

[nimble sphinx]

Lemme check mine

as I just finished installing a batch of liveries

[rustic charm]

Ah well, clearly it didn't install into FS24 because for some reason the path I have in it for FS24 leads to an entirely different drive lol

[nimble sphinx]

Mine installed correctly by the looks of it

[rustic charm]

Idk why it changed the install path randomly

When I got the A340 and installed livery for it, it was fine

[dusty sky]

I want the TriStar :(

[nimble sphinx]

Something tells me I'm gonna end up crashing and burning with TriStar alot 😄

at least until I learn it properly

Ah piss looks like I'll be downloading it too

[rustic charm]

Don't you dare disrespect the 1011 like that

[nimble sphinx]

I've been used to flying Airbus' for the longest time, and haven't flown a proper old jet since the 146

[reef isle]

If you want any help you can ping me and I'd be happy to be as helpful as I possibly can 😅

I really want this plane to do well to show that old jets make sense economically

and I just love the plane

[dusty sky]

[rustic charm]

Exactly what this sim needs to hear tbh

[nimble sphinx]

(and to think I've only flown properly in FS24 for a single day, which was yesterday)

[dusty sky]

I want the l1011 man :(

I hate this economy

[nimble sphinx]

Well off to a great start, sim loads up and freezes 🙃

[rustic charm]

Say publicly that there's oil in Romania

You'll get alterations to your economy quite quickly

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-universe-peridot-impatient-waiting-gif-10896208096075928486

2024 only, everything is 2024 only now

[rustic charm]

Yeah

ini's fully moved to 2024

PMDG as well

[nimble sphinx]

I only moved over this week

[rustic charm]

The only upcoming things that will work in 2020 I can think of are the 757 and the JF stuff

[hollow oracle]

the limiting factor for me to upgrade to 2024 is purely cost

isnt 2024 still online only too?

did they add an option for downloading stuff yet?

[dusty sky]

Nah people he knows

[rustic charm]

They did

Last summer iirc

[nimble sphinx]

It's beautiful

[dusty sky]

And I'm ugly

Anyway

Pretty plane

[nimble sphinx]

But yeah I'm gonna have to download it fully before I fly it, cockpit's blurry when I have it streamed 😅

[dusty sky]

Guys can I get an fs2024 key

Guys I'm getting it this year trust me

Like fs2020

I got it 2 years after it came out

[rustic charm]

Don't be too harsh on yourself tbf

[dusty sky]

I have more copium rn than NoOne had this whole week

[dusty sky]

If you guys are gonna make me die inside that I can't afford anything at least post screenshots

[rustic charm]

So they did correct it, neat

Says 500 as it should

[dusty sky]

So oretty

Pretty

Where are you flying

[rustic charm]

So

Where do we think Pan Am would've based these

I'm pretty sure they had some on the West Coast

SFO?

I really hope someone makes a good Palmdale

Are there any scenery devs who take suggestions 😭

Think I'm gonna make a friend

[dusty sky]

Who is that friend

[nimble sphinx]

Right, so about $150 spent today on the TriStar and extras, what a day

[rustic charm]

A person who's flying the same plane as me on the same route as me

[dusty sky]

Bro I don't even have that much in my wallet

[trim harbor]

@reef isle u got a proper manual for the tristar

[rustic charm]

$100 worth of extras

Wow

https://tenor.com/rSluFYHX9Ou.gif

[reef isle]

not quite

[nimble sphinx]

Yeaaah railroad money does that to me 💀

[rustic charm]

For some reason remembered this one right away lol

[nimble sphinx]

But yeah ini Dallas and I kinda made a deal with a someone that I'd pick up BATC at some point so I have to keep to that promise

[trim harbor]

what'd u use to learn it (esp FE station)

[dusty sky]

I am tired of A330's bro

[reef isle]

https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/c50d4589-7764-4b0f-8873-a87472fc3804
this is the best I have

[dusty sky]

And I have no clue how to fly Soviet airliners

[nimble sphinx]

I need to do more Long Hauls tbf

leave the PC on when I go to work for 12 hours and come back and land the thing

[dusty sky]

Or do like @rustic charm

Go get groceries and make a meal

[rustic charm]

Jeez I really need to calibrate the sidestick

[trim harbor]

i got this as well

[rustic charm]

The yoke barely moves

[reef isle]

Yep that's good as well

thanks for sharing

[rustic charm]

Well you won't quite be making a meal for 12 hours

That's good for like

An hour

[dusty sky]

Meanwhile our sarmale lasting like 6 hours in the oven

Or more like 4

[rustic charm]

Well yeah some dishes do that

But at that point you need to find something else to do while you cook

[dusty sky]

What if I

[nimble sphinx]

There's a lot of things I could do, like read through the stack of books off to my right

[dusty sky]

Idk start floating

[rustic charm]

Reading is for nerds

Unless the books are aircraft manuals or WTTs, then it's cool

[nimble sphinx]

Nah, manga and Ln's 🙃

[rustic charm]

Ah, well fair

[dusty sky]

Manga?

[nimble sphinx]

Granted my WTT's being read on a plane would be hilarious

[rustic charm]

Never was into those things, but I know plenty of people like that

[trim harbor]

for anyone who cares about the proper ICAO code for a INS only L1011 - SDFHIRWXY

[rustic charm]

I think the ICAO code for any 1011 is L101

[trim harbor]

equipment code

[rustic charm]

Yeah, fair

And that's useful tbf

[dusty sky]

That would actually be useful for vatsim

[dusty sky]

Now only if I had that damn plane...

[trim harbor]

i doubt many people care but i use SI and it uses the equipment code as a reference on what atc can do

[rustic charm]

Oh that's actually neat

I think BATC doesn't really care

Oh this is actually a cool coincidence

My flight number will be 9101D

I have kind of a system

Any delivery/repositioning/retirement flights I do, since usually aren't real callsigns, I just number them 9xxx, and then a letter to designate what it is (D - delivery, F - ferry, R - retirement)

And coincidentally I'm on 101th such flight

[trim harbor]

does it auto load the loadsheet when importing

[rustic charm]

The performance definitely ain't the best

[reef isle]

are you sure it's not just SDFI?

that's what I always used 😅

SDF for just conventional nav and SDFI for conventional nav + INS

[trim harbor]

R because rnavs possible with INS, isnt it? W for RVSM, Y for EU, X for NAT certs right?

neat

[reef isle]

RVSM I think is useless for VATSIM because it's assumed all planes are RVSM capable. No idea about Y and X to be completely honest.

About "R", I'm not 100% sure about that, you can do basic RNAV, but not in the modern sense

[rustic charm]

Yeah that's not right

[reef isle]

Oh, they didn't change that?

😬

[rustic charm]

Seemingly not

It's N509PA

[trim harbor]

same

@rustic charm u can do long hauls with the l1011

it'll auto put them in if u did load from OFP

even after 9 is reached

[rustic charm]

That's neat

Bit fast

Didn't quite intend for that to happen

But hey, enough fuel, so why not

[trim harbor]

my ins broke : (

not good

[rustic charm]

What's wrong

[trim harbor]

ohwell ill try tmrws

idk it just dint work

i was at 11k ft at that point

[rustic charm]

But what didn't work

[trim harbor]

miles/times didnt change

INS also didnt TRK

[rustic charm]

Ah

Welcome to WASM

[trim harbor]

inb4 it actually was a wasm

breh

[rustic charm]

MSFS is a fucker

Wher my VOR

https://tenor.com/nzznPkaYFd2.gif

Soon as I called it a fucker, the VOR appeared lol

I think we found a solution

[nimble sphinx]

And people say swearing at things doesn't work

[trim harbor]

im baffled to what broke tbh

the ins aligned fine

[rustic charm]

Every time I swear at things I get more and more reassured that it totally works (and I swear a lot tbf, so I get constantly reassured lol)

Gotta say, the thing doesn't follow VORs too precisely, but I imagine that would actually be quite realistic

[rustic charm]

If your nav just completely stopped updating and the plane started drifting, I'd say genuine WASM

That's the same thing I've had in the 340

[trim harbor]

disappointing mr ini, no orange vor display

[rustic charm]

I mean, it's not a screen XD

Plus tbf

I've not actually had orange screens of WASM in the 340

Hey just hit m0.861, cool

Topped at 424kts across the ground shortly after climb thanks to good winds

[rustic charm]

We'll say this was a training flight and remove this off the record

The first goaround was me trying to do a normal one (I was too high)

Second one was autothrottle not disengaging, so the plane went accelerating after touchdown, and I just decided to return to the runway as quickly as possible lol

Had to fly the approaches with AT cause I only have the sidestick with me right now, not the throttles

Overall, I quite like it

Few bumps to iron out of course

But it's fine

[trim harbor]

how do you do your climb/descend? VNAV with TM or AT with IAS and VS?

[rustic charm]

Vspeed with AT

[trim harbor]

everyone seems to be kinda split on what to use and whats better

[rustic charm]

My reasoning for VS + AT is really simple

Probably the simplest reasoning you'll hear in this situation

[trim harbor]

aww man

[rustic charm]

I use it on all planes

[trim harbor]

wait

do u never do vnav path in any modern plane?

[rustic charm]

Almost never

[trim harbor]

bruh

[rustic charm]

Only when the departure is unfamiliar to me yet requires a lot of altitude constraints

So for departures it's rare, but occasionally happens

For arrivals never

Like

Never - never

Only back when I just started flight simming

But now nope

[trim harbor]

damn

respec

pretty af

[rustic charm]

Definitely pretty

[nimble sphinx]

So the most I've done so far was calibrate my throttles, then back out to wait for everything else to dowload

[rustic charm]

I just don't trust VNAV enough lol

[trim harbor]

so INS1 may not be the INS used for navigation

they used all 3 depending on which was the most accurate

INS3 however cannot be coupled for autopilot operations

INS3 should be used to cross check and do wind/temp stuff, esentially XTKL/TKE, POS, WYPT,DIS/TIME

crazy that they started VOR-VOR on international flights and transitioned to INS when they left the USA

[trim harbor]

yup thats bright

[nimble sphinx]

Needless to say I picked the wrong day to try and learn this 😂

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/ants-bindle-hobo-stick-sad-ant-gif-6604577456488723514

how it feels to look at this channel today

[reef isle]

How is the A/P and A/T experience on the TriStar

I've always had a very "light" use of both, but watching a stream it seemed like it's very easy to have the A/P mess stuff up, especially when coupled with the A/T

[trim harbor]

wheres this ins actually

i was wondering why the one in the l10 looked off

[reef isle]

This is a slightly different variant from the one ini modelled

[trim harbor]

yah, weird, i didnt know there was another form of that ins

i only know the CIVA one

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/W4ECibHyxj

[reef isle]

It's true

That's what I meant when I said "if it's more expensive than 60€ you start to have different expectations"

I think out of all the issues the flow bars Illuminating when they shouldn't is probably the worse ones

The ATM behaviour is wrong at the moment as well

[rustic charm]

Tbf, it wasn't too bad for me

The AT was being bit weird on approach

It for some reason didn't actually let me select the speed

It automatically chose some values to follow

Vspeed kinda misbehaved once too, on climbout it didn't actually listen to what I was setting, it just kept the same vspeed as when I engaged the mode. Had to turn it off and back on

Doesn't really follow VORs perfectly, it starts drifting away from the radial you chose, but I wouldn't be too surprised if that's how it used to be in reality. Not critical anyway

I would probably have more to say but I didn't use any other autopilot modes lol

VNAV/LNAV are usually the ones having the biggest issues

[reef isle]

I've seen a few of my friends getting confused

so, this is the correct way to load up waypoints in the INS

the errors are small, so it's not important, but I thought it was worth discussing

The Litton expects degrees minutes and seconds, not decimal minutes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841961389978943498/1488645730817019904/image.png?ex=69ce319f&is=69cce01f&hm=4cc802599a3e9fe9eb7d8ccb96eeea2fd6595a9817a95f102caa9d760709907f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1600&height=1991

take a look at this for example

you would enter this coordinates as

N 47 / 25 / 5 | W 121 / 43 / 2

Remember to always treat the seconds as a 2 digits group

so for example here 46.4 gets rounded to 50 (becomes 5), 16.4 gets rounded to 20 (becomes 2)

when you get coordinates like this, remember to treat the seconds as a group of 2 numbers, so 3.5 gets rounded to 0, because it's closer to 0 than it is to 10

in theory the seconds number should never be higher than 5 (because 6 is equal to the next degree)

it's not a big issue, if you enter a number that's 6 or above it will deal with it fine, but just FYI 🙂

here's another "tricky" example, here in theory you should round up the minute, so you'd enter the longitude of this fix as
W 121 / 38 / 0

[trim harbor]

So instead of N47 25 46 4 I‘d do N47 25 5, right?

[reef isle]

yes

[trim harbor]

Does this also apply to aligning the INS? Or just waypoints?

[reef isle]

both

[runic hare]

Can’t wait

About time we got a 321plus in a Flight Sim

[rustic charm]

What is a 321plus

[trim harbor]

Im feeling people are hating too much

On the ini L1011

[reef isle]

what's going on?

I've mostly been here and other small communities I'm part of

not the ini server itself?

Unfortunately I've seen some terrible aircraft behavior that I've never experienced before, and I've been very saddened by the whole thing if I'm honest

There were a couple of points that I know weren't really up to scratch and would have caused some friction (and rightfully so), but I've seen and heard of things this plane does that I've never ever encountered once

and I've flown nothing but this plane (with 3 exceptions) in the last 2 or 3 months

For example the A/P is not very good (especially the vertical modes), and INS is missing features, and the whole cabin pressurization system is not great

those were my 3 main concearns

[trim harbor]

Reddit mainly

I dont think its a bad plane, it just needs ironing out

Just like any plane ini releases

[reef isle]

I'm very sorry if I recommended it and thought I've been unfairly positive towards it

[trim harbor]

I think it‘s a good plane

It works well, looks and sounds good

People went in with too much expectation

The price is fine for what you get and I dont doubt ini will stop updating it

[dusty sky]

I am going to smite you down

[trim harbor]

It‘s gonna take time and that‘s find

[trim harbor]

Try

[reef isle]

I think it would have been better if ini left it in the oven for 2 or 3 more weeks, but based on my experience 1.0.0 was "ok"

that's why I was so positive about it
I'm very sorry about that

[trim harbor]

I believe I had a wasm yesterday ALTHOUGH I cant confirm/deny it

[dusty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-fuck-you-in-particular-building-lightning-strike-gif-17503856494311093046

[trim harbor]

As I fucked the INS up im pretty sure

[trim harbor]

Dont feel sorry, we all know how the flughtsim community is now

Bunch of wannabe captains who think they‘ll know everything and every plane

[dusty sky]

I feel very angy cuz you guys have l1011 and I don't

[trim harbor]

Someone on reddit literally signed their post with this

Like come on

[dusty sky]

Bro thinks he's the main character

[trim harbor]

Thank you for beta testing FD.

Cheers,

LewdNekos

Nurse Anesthesist/ ICU Nurse Specialist and Flight Simmer

Pmdg forum ahh

[trim harbor]

Someone actually commented that

[dusty sky]

Guys do I fly BA Landor or modern livery

[rustic charm]

Thanks for thanking FD.

Cheers,

NoOne

Kinda literally no one

But based on yesterday's flight

I'd say it's good

Let's be honest

All ini planes get released with some mishaps

Everyone complained about the A300

Everyone complained about the A340

It's gonna get better

They're all good planes

And the 1011 is good too

The model is great

The cockpit looks very nice

I have not noticed any critical issues

And that's what matters imo

Stuff like AP behaviour can be ironed out

But even if it's bit rough around the edges in some aspects, we can fly it and enjoy it

[reef isle]

Thanks for making me feel better

[rustic charm]

People often expect too much tbh

I don't think I've ever seen a 1.0.0 release be perfect

You always have an occasional bug, miss a couple features, etc

Honestly I'm way too involved with TSW to even really still care about such outbursts lol

There's always an angry 1% that is so vocal you think it's worth 99%

Meanwhile the rest, the actual 99% quietly enjoy the thing, and that's what is important

Like let's be honest

We're here, and we're not "casual" flight simmers. Most of us here really ask a fair standard from devs. And even as of 1.0.0, the Tristar meets it. So how "bad" could it possibly be?

[dusty sky]

I like FD he's a cool guy

[wide zenith]

the 'study level' posts do get tiring, especially in the current flight sim market. Ok sure the 0.1% are upset that a single circuit breaker is not acting according to actual or something like that, but you ask most flight sim people and they run with failures off and run the same checklist/flow every flight they barely interact with most of the system depth. And those that do are not long term users (ie likely to ditch the simulation after type rating acquired)
For the majority ini aircraft are perfectly useable fine (outside of the wasms that still annoys me), and their texture/modelling work is their strong suit as well.

[dusty sky]

Bro I'm fine with default msfs aircraft that should tell you everything

Except for the asobo neo

That

That is horrid

[wide zenith]

There are some aircraft that are long gone yeah but if you were to quiz people on system depth and failures on even say the fenix, which is the most used aircraft, most probably won't be able to give actual answers. Especially the failures part adds up a lot of dev time so it doesn't surprise me ini choose not to go too hard on it

then people are pikachu shocked face when a 50 usd aircraft isn't a 1 to 1 recreation doing everything that the real one did

then you'd get the more casual audience annoyed at the fact its more expensive then youre pleasing the 1%

its nice that there is aircraft like the fenix or I think A2A are doing lots of impressive system modelling but idk when you buy an ini aircraft you should know what youre getting with it?

my 2 cents anyway teehee

but I guess its a bit universal to a lot of industries, happens in TSW with the TSG content

[trim harbor]

Never forgrt

Happy people dont speak up

Unsatisfied people always speak up

👍

[wide zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-true-true-dune-true-morgan-freeman-dune-gif-11344642604755077689

[reef isle]

in 1011 PSA (not the airline lol)

Try to avoid doing 2 INS alignments, so far I've seen 3 cases of 3 people that for different reasons aligned the INS twice and that ended up freezing it

@trim harbor I think it was you that had this problem

If you want to do multiple legs you should just be able to do a position update once you're stopped on your stand.

Select POS, WPT0, and enter your coordinates

(btw, you can do that at any point, also while flying or taxing, no need to do the "proper" procedure by using the HOLD button), although that will be more precise

[runic hare]

“Study Level” doesn’t always mean max interaction either, look at the FF777 it’s got its own procedure mode, engine thrust variations depending on engines used, nice looking FD, and very good system depth

But very few CB’s

People are idiots

And I think that’s pretty clear cut

[trim harbor]

like

only one ins instead of both or what

[reef isle]

Going through the alignment process twice

On one unit

[trim harbor]

oh

idk if i did that actually

i mightve

[trim harbor]

still annoying that therees no remote

ins thing

i cant get the negines started now

bruh

guess thats flight two that doesnt work

thats annoying

ohwell guess ill try n3 tomorrow

[reef isle]

APU ON
Air Bleed S/O OPEN
Lines going to the PACKS closed
sending air only to engine 2?

I guess I came here too late

[trim harbor]

yuh

i could press the ignition buttons

but they didnt work

pressed em in and they came right out

[reef isle]

Hmh

I think they do that if there's not enough air pressure

[trim harbor]

so start seq is 2-3-1?

[reef isle]

DAL is 2-1-3

IIRC

[rustic charm]

I started it 3-1-2 as I'm used to on my first flight

[trim harbor]

auto FE doesnt do the APU S/O

that was the issue

chicago boominm

@reef isle how do i get rid of the TO config sound

[reef isle]

Pitch trim?

[trim harbor]

yea it was that

after looking around everywhere

lord

this planes so much more complicated than the old 747-200

now im stuck in aoa mode

come on

[reef isle]

just retract flaps and go faster

and try again

[trim harbor]

i didnt do the other digital ins

so i couldnt use epr properly which caused a IDLE

[trim harbor]

defo has some weird AP behaivors, descending with VS and ATHR it likes to pitch up and go positive 2000fpm for a good 10 secs

[trim harbor]

planes a real hit or miss for me - descended and was vectored in, instead of staying on the heading it wanted to fly another loop?

now the ils is captured but im somehow not flying on the ILS lol

[rustic charm]

El Al

Does GSX have the ability to show vehicles taxi alongside the plane?

Cause I've heard their flights get special escorts cause they've been targeted a lot

[trim harbor]

prob not

i dont use gsx

[rustic charm]

Fair

Just would've been an added bit of realism for those who use it

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the jfk expierence

lol

[dusky leaf]

Jason Williams quit Combat Pilot. No idea why, not very sure what he actually did though hes been involved in lots of flight sims

[dusty sky]

I died

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What did u do

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I was eating

and the plane stalled

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I think this message has a lot of potential to become a meme lol

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738 without winglets looks so cursed

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it's a -900 but sure bro

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PMDG would never

Which is a fucking shame cause multiple Russian operators back in the day had non-wingleted ones

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legit one of my better landings

[tired pond]

700's look a bit better I find, PMDG pls

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Even worse then

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They used to

In fsx

[reef isle]

Tristar T/O technique and A/T usage

"TM" mode will not set take off thrust for you

and also you can consider "AoA" mode as the most basic A/T mode available, it will basically only make sure you don't stall, so that's what it will default to if you have no other vertical autopilot modes active

so, if you want to take off, and use A/T, I'd recommend to at least do the first thrust reduction yourself, and clean up the aircraft manually (V/S mode will be alright when you reduce flaps, but it might struggle a little bit), once you've got flaps and slat retracted, and you're "stable" you should have all the time in the world to set up your A/P and A/T system

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TM wil only work when the little fms below the INS is set, right?

[reef isle]

Correct

What it will do is basically just set the "optimum" EPR as calculated by the PMS

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i have never flown to rome

[tired pond]

Rome, the only place on earth where the Ryanair served airport is closer to the city than the main one 😛

[reef isle]

😮

[rustic charm]

I have actually flown to Rome

Once in an Alitalia MD-11 (the second flight is the same plane, just out of Rome)

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I have some other cities though where I've never flown to, while most other people have

Never done Chicago, not even Rockford

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wtf

chicago

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Nothing in Vancouver

No Montreal or Quebec City

[wide zenith]

I haven't done dallas and I even won a scenery for that in a giveaway :p

[trim harbor]

dallas is a terrible airport

wrong flight oops!

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I'd like to say I've not flown to Toronto either, but while technically I haven't, I did have a flight to Hamilton which people I reckon would consider close enough

No Phoenix, Houston or Austin

[wide zenith]

I need to actually fly in or to more of the world

i'm so western EU coded

but i'm also snobby and hate landing into default ports

[rustic charm]

No mainland Spain or Portugal at all

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I have wider reach tbf

[trim harbor]

just load the damn plane man

[wide zenith]

Gotta do 02 approach into LPPT sometime

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Obviously Sheremetyevo is a big hub

Love Sheremetyevo

[wide zenith]

such a stunning approach

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Of course I'll be biased but imo one of the best airports in the world

I had an idea this year to follow the F1 calendar in flight sims

Basically, for every race, I gotta fly to the airport nearest to the track

Well, obviously only counting airports which actually see commercial flights

[wide zenith]

Charters are fun, I know some ppl who freq the flights for the USA football teams

but also when this comes

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Well it wouldn't be charters for me

Just any commercial flight

But to the airport that's the closest

Cause firstly sometimes team charters are weird

Like Aston Martin flying out to the pre-season shakedown in an An-12

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Secondly they often won't actually use the airport closest to the track

Like, I'm quite sure for Interlagos, the teams would fly into Guarulhos, as all normal people do

But the closest valid airport to the track is actually Congonhas

[reef isle]

I mean, Congonhas still sees quite a bit of traffic

For south American standards it's not even that crazy

[rustic charm]

For most of the tracks it's boring tbh. Like, for Miami it's just MIA, etc

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Oh yeah, ik

It's just a very fun airport

I mean, it could be worse

It could've been Santos Dumont

[reef isle]

Was about to say the same

Yeah

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But I think on my first arrival into Congonhas I had 3 goarounds

[trim harbor]

i hate pws

gotta cool 1 minute b4 engine start

[rustic charm]

For others though...

Spa for example

It's in such middle of nowhere that I'm pretty sure the closest valid airport for me would be Koln-Bonn lol

Actually no, probably Liege

Kinda wish Russian GP still existed

Cause the airport for that would've been Sochi

And I love that airport tbh

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sochi wasnt a good track though

[rustic charm]

And also the payware scenery includes a great rendition of the track

[rustic charm]

Oh I know that lol

I wouldn't say it was horrible though

[trim harbor]

theres been worse without a doubt

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Definitely not one of those that I would ask to be returned to F1 immediately (apart from personal bias of course, cause you know, Russian GP)

[trim harbor]

love that the neo shows the callsigns on the tcas

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turkish gp 😭

[rustic charm]

But also, if it were still on the calendar, wouldn't be one of the tracks I'd say they should immediately remove

[trim harbor]

hell even germany again

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Yeah

Ngl

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too many shitty street circuits noone asked for

or miami

[rustic charm]

In my opinion to have a great F1 calendar in 2026 while keeping the regional distribution close to what we have, we'd need:

• Miami replaced by... idk, Indy or something? Anything is better than Miami.
• Monaco replaced by one of the French tracks, not too sure which one would be better, but anything is better than Monaco anyway
• Madrid replaced by Algarve
• Azerbaijan replaced by Istanbul
• Singapore replaced by Sepang (please...)
• Las Vegas replaced by Hockenheim (yes, switching from US to Europe, but imo it's unfair for the US to have 3 GPs while Germany has 0)

I'm not sure if you noticed...

Every single track I decided to replace there is a (semi-) street track

And ngl

I didn't even plan for that

Just looked at the ones that are terrible imo

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Can someone explain what happened here?

How does it even become a circle

[wide zenith]

I so agree with madrid being replaced by Portugal, even for my own enjoyment in the games I loved that track

[rustic charm]

I guess can't judge Madrid too much cause we've not seen it yet, but from the plans it doesn't look good. Imo even returning to Valencia would've been a better option. And Portimao compared to that is a godsend

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Honestly Portimao is so cool to drive on in games

All the elevation changes are amazing

Pushing out of T8...

[wide zenith]

its peak

its unlike most tracks on the calendar and its what the sport needs more than another street slop circuit

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Tbf Hockenheim could be switched by Nurburgring GP strecke too, they're both neat imo

Or just return to the Nordschleife, surely that can't possibly go wrong

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I recognise Zurich

I remember taking off 32 in an MD-11 at MTOW, was a fun climbout lol

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I had to wait for the ground controller to ask me for taxi cuz there were too many people for me to ask for taxi

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Zurich legit a fun airport

[trim harbor]

alps r nice

@reef isle https://youtu.be/KwysCDogDRI?t=129

dash q100 perhaps coming

[rustic charm]

A Dash 8 would be nice tbh

[trim harbor]

but its the old junker

not a q400

[rustic charm]

Well it's still nice

How different are the -100s from -200s/-300s?

Aurora had some -200s and -300s

[trim harbor]

cockpits one thing, range and capacity

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Ah, so pretty different

A shame

[reef isle]

Good

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lol

[dusty sky]

Bro what

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/wOUDgPGMJ28?si=1pIISW3d6ht7II3M

let me guess, the "high detail update" is another additional purchase on top of the couple of coffees?

randazzo has to afford his private jet somehow

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Not flown an A319 in a while

Gotta get back to it tbh

[wide zenith]

v happy I got fly the 03s into athens for once

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Me earlier today: "Gotta fly the 319s more"
Aeroflot 319s: exist(ed)
Also me:

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💀 ima need go to retraining after this one

[rustic charm]

I'm sure this is the most efficient way to reach runway 07

I love Russian arrivals

Dark

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ok so apparently I had a flight on flight gear where volanta thinks I didn't land

like sure bro

[trim harbor]

what thats supposed to mean

[trim harbor]

golden hour descend

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we love it

flying over sudan explains it

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lmao

I'm gonna fly over israel am I cooked

[runic hare]

Cool

[trim harbor]

wuts that

@rustic charm !

[runic hare]

New tu204 I think

[rustic charm]

Tu-204 & 214 for XP12

[runic hare]

I’m not 100% sure my Russian is dogshit

[trim harbor]

we got the russian here

[runic hare]

X-flight.su

[rustic charm]

From what it looks like, free

[runic hare]

Ye

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free?

no way

is it any good

[rustic charm]

Well

[trim harbor]

2pm over africa, sun setting

really weird

[rustic charm]

They say it "looks professional unlike PilotSanya models" and "has correct aerodynamics"

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russian infighting

[rustic charm]

Oh I wouldn't even say it's infighting or any beef

Most likely just being quite blunt

[trim harbor]

a350 hot

thats some sequencing

hope he gets off the runway fast

[rustic charm]

Like, I can say that most of Russians, if they think something's shit, they'll just say that, just the way it is

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hope I don't slam this A330

[rustic charm]

Addis Ababa?

[trim harbor]

yup

[dusty sky]

1 runway?

[rustic charm]

Kinda

They have 2

[dusty sky]

oh 2

[rustic charm]

But only 1 is functional irl

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I didn't see the other image

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The other one is used as a taxiway, as there in fact is no taxiway running parallel to the runways

Been there in transit, decent airport for that

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I'm flying to Dubai

are you gonna wave

[trim harbor]

mfg 40 kt crosswind on final

brutal

[rustic charm]

Sure

If I spot an Emirates A330

Shame they got rid of those a while ago

[trim harbor]

such a ghetto little airport

[dusty sky]

log onto vatsim and watch the landing trust

[rustic charm]

It really kinda is

[trim harbor]

atc really didnt do me a right one

[rustic charm]

I love how they treat delays

[rustic charm]

I've been there first time in transit, flying from Cairo to Zanzibar with a stopover there

[trim harbor]

ah yes

[rustic charm]

The aircraft (which btw was a 350 actually) arrived in Cairo something like 2 hours late

In Addis Ababa I didn't really have a long connection, but it wasn't too bad either. But with a 2-hour delay, I kinda thought that my chances of catching the flight to Zanzibar are gone

We arrived into HAAB 15 minutes before the scheduled departure of the next flight

While taxiing in, I asked a flight attendant whether there's any chance I can still get there

She said "yeah it's fine, don't rush you'll make it"

Got out of the plane, made it through transit and to the gate, and then sat inside the plane for some 40 more minutes lol

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I like that I'll actually be catching ATC

[trim harbor]

havent used vatsim or ivao in a long time

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I still don't know what ivao is

[trim harbor]

ivao is vatsim but older and more european focused

u dont know the tale of poscon either

l o l

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I'm scared

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ivao fell off alot sadly, it never really became big like vatsim did

poscon had really good ideas and was ahead of its time but failed due to management iirc

it never really launched

theres also pilotedge, which is cool but a) paid b) the people on there think that they are reallife pilots

the ATCs on PE also get paid real money

so

i however have never tried it myself so i cant say

PE is also US west coast only

[rustic charm]

Sounds really like... US west coast

Thinking nothing else on earth exists

[dusty sky]

getting close to israel

or isfake

idk

[trim harbor]

accurate indeed

[rustic charm]

"Wait there's stuff outside of California???"

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really pumping these numbers

[rustic charm]

Wow

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idk how i manage it actually

45 is crazy considering i also work fulltime

[rustic charm]

My maximum as of yet was 34

[trim harbor]

virginity relocked 👍

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what the hell are you guys doing

my max was 29

[rustic charm]

Tbf

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but I was free as hell that whole time

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It helps that I did 5 or 6 in a day a couple times

Or well, in a night

Did ASA Milk Runs

I think I did a full one back in September, and then a full one together with a friend in October

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now come to think of it

what the fuck was I doing that it was 29

[trim harbor]

2000 hours before may

lets go

easily done tbh

[rustic charm]

I'd say... 1350-1400 would be possible?

I mean, I reckon I could hit 1500 if I do overnights every time

[trim harbor]

wow u must've done alot of long flights

363 flights and 1205 hours

[rustic charm]

I mean

[trim harbor]

i have 782 flights and 1891 hours

[rustic charm]

That averages at just over 3 hours per flight lol

[trim harbor]

need to fly MORE

[dusty sky]

ok let me see

[rustic charm]

Here's a friend of mine

[dusty sky]

so

[rustic charm]

Although, I think that's old data since he stopped using Volanta not that long ago iirc

But well, he does long hauls mostly

[trim harbor]

hold on, i can top that one

[rustic charm]

Well I was more showing the flight to hour ratio

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oh

[rustic charm]

He's at almost 6 hours per flight on average

[dusty sky]

from august 9th to august 28th I flew every day exept the 14th, 15th, 16th 18th and 21rd

[trim harbor]

i usually prefer longer flights as well ngl

i can do naps/household in the meantime

[rustic charm]

I prefer long flights for overnights, but during the day shorter ones

[dusty sky]

my shortest flight ever was

LROP-LYBE

then second shortest

[rustic charm]

My shortest flight ever was 3 minutes

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mine was 48

what did bro fly

[rustic charm]

Followed then by the second shortest...

Also 3 minutes

[trim harbor]

did u to and crash

[rustic charm]

Then third shortest was... 4 minutes

[trim harbor]

bruh

[dusty sky]

fah

[rustic charm]

My longest one still stands at 14:42, KPAE to OMDB

[dusty sky]

second shortest was 53 minutes KCLT-KCHA

[rustic charm]

Second longest at 13:43, UUEE to MUVR

[trim harbor]

pain and misery of a flight

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Third longest was 13:24, KLGB to RKSS

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my longest was a transpacific

12 hours 46

second longest EDDM-KLAX

11 hours 49

third longest EDDF-KDFW

10 hours 4

[rustic charm]

Btw, since I do deliveries, and all small Boeings have to go from Renton to BFI, I have 16 flights that are 10 minutes or under

[rustic charm]

It includes the freighters

Includes overall:

• 204-100 pax
• 204-100 freighter
• 204-300 (only pax were built)
• 214 (only pax were built too)

Has several liveries for each

A plain white for each one too

[trim harbor]

emirates

[dusty sky]

yes

[rustic charm]

So I downloaded the thing, and it doesn't damn look all new. Something tells me they just uploaded the same Tu-204 which we had, which is supposed to be payware.

[dusty sky]

so you pirated the 204 without knowing

me when I lie

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I think I might've accidentally done a piracy

[dusty sky]

don't ban my guy he didn't know

[rustic charm]

That's really weird, cause that website doesn't usually do that kind of stuff

Maybe it's some weird april fools prank, considering that the picture there is definitely AI and definitely not a Tupolev

[dusty sky]

huh

[trim harbor]

modern

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very modern

[reef isle]

Gonna be sitting here in MXP for the next 2h

Taking one of the rare Ryanair flights out of here

[rustic charm]

I see an A380

[trim harbor]

where u flyin

[reef isle]

Palermo

[rustic charm]

Ngl, even as someone who genuinely prefers 777s to pretty much everything, seeing 380s irl never gets old

[rustic charm]

Have a good flight!

[reef isle]

OOOOOOOOH there's a Cyprus 220

Won't even try to get a photo of it

You saw how dogshit my phone's camera is

[reef isle]

Thank you 😍

[runic hare]

I will be flying over you soon probably

PSA-STN

[reef isle]

Did you ever go to Sicily?

There aren't that many connections straight to the UK

[trim harbor]

7100fpm oops!

[rustic charm]

Realistic 737MAX simulation

[rustic charm]

Sicily is cool tbh

Been there some time ago, liked it

[rustic charm]

Does anyone know where to get liveries for XP12 154M? I have a bunch for the B-2 but not for the M

Also so annoying that nobody makes sceneries for the factory airports...

Nothing for UWKG or UWLW

Oh cool, the 154s just don't work

Also I gotta say, XP default static aircraft are the most random thing ever

I get Cargojet/FedEx 727s, Delta MD-80s, USAir A320s in Moscow lol

[runic hare]

Yeah; Trapani, Palermo, Catania and possibly comiso soon

Palermo and Catania are twice daily from Stansted in the summer

I think once daily in the winter with an extra weekend flight

Trapani is daily year round

Comiso would probably be seasonal

Reggio Calabria is also done 5x a week

[dusty sky]

US air A320 in athens

[rustic charm]

I think I've seen one of the US regional carriers ERJs in Moscow too

[trim harbor]

???

[rustic charm]

XP static traffic

Shows the most random planes ever in the most random locations ever

Idk how MSFS is in that regard tbh cause I think I've never used it with traffic on lol

[reef isle]

Sorry to hear you'll end up in Comiso 🙁

Cool about everything else

I guess the good news is that I believe it's extremely unlikely that you'll have to ever sleep or spend some time there

Random airport LITERALLY in the middle of absolutely nowhere without any outside connection

Good luck, have fun

[rustic charm]

@reef isle I feel like if someone knows of a fix for that, it's you lol

[reef isle]

Never seen that

I think you might just want to acknowledge it

The 154 has a weird trim system

[rustic charm]

It shuts the sim when you click the button

Also I installed some sceneries and completely broke UUEE, UUWW and UUDD

[dusty sky]

for me the 154 shuts the sim while loading

[rustic charm]

Guess I am in the end waiting for the MSFS 154

At least I've got the 134 here

[dusty sky]

they'll fix it at some point

[rustic charm]

Can only wish for an Il-62 or Il-86

[dusty sky]

there is one

it's just

not good

[rustic charm]

Well yeah

[dusty sky]

there is an il-86

wait what 86?

oh nvm then

there's a 76

[rustic charm]

The plane that the A340-300 is cosplaying as

[dusty sky]

[rustic charm]

Guys look, I've got Sheremetyevo, the 1958 version

[dusty sky]

lmao what

fah

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Basically

All Moscow airports are now invisible lol

[dusty sky]

what did you do

[rustic charm]

Installed some sceneries

Apparently they don't work well

[reef isle]

Oh

154M or b2?

[rustic charm]

Both

Guys, I revived Transaero, but at what cost...

(Asia no longer exists)

[runic hare]

I spent a night in pescara of all places last month

So I wouldn’t rule it out

Also Poprad-Tatry

[reef isle]

Ooooh nice

I have a friend from there haha

[reef isle]

I'll be praying for you 🙏

It's either going to be a long trip to the hotel

Or a short trip to a shithole where nobody will speak proper Italian (let alone English)

[reef isle]

Huh

Messed up scenery.ini?

[rustic charm]

I just forgot to install anything for Asia

Only have Europe installed right now lol

[reef isle]

oh

[rustic charm]

For now the priority would be un-messing up Sheremetyevo...

I'm wondering

[rustic charm]

Could it be like this if the scenery was made for xp11?

[dusty sky]

Probably

[reef isle]

Is there any reason why you'd need scenery?

[dusty sky]

FD can you find a Rossiya livery for the sparky 74

[reef isle]

IIRC with every xplane update all the scenery is brought to the latest version automatically

[rustic charm]

I mean, not to be stuck with default

From what I see it's bit wonky

[reef isle]

Xplane default is genuine MSFS payware level

The only thing that you'll miss are custom buildings

They're all "kitbashed" from default assets

But they're all hand made

And kept up to date by the community

If you want an older/outdated layout (or a different one) you can get it from here

https://gateway.x-plane.com/

[rustic charm]

Well I honestly don't like the default taxiway markings, that's the main thing

[reef isle]

Basically regularly the latest version gets pulled from there and becomes the new "default scenery"

[dusty sky]

Only thing is that the taxiways might be outdated

[rustic charm]

They don't seem correct at all

[reef isle]

In that case even scenery from XP9 should work

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/24061-project-marktex-edmr-munich-riem/

I have this and it works fine

[trim harbor]

maybe someones interested

4 left on an LH a380 aviationtag

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50 euros?

What do I look like I'm made of money

[trim harbor]

rip my sweet summer child

[reef isle]

I find the idea of the aviation tags quite cute and smart

But yeah I wish they were a little cheaper

[trim harbor]

i craved in for once

[rustic charm]

I agree

[reef isle]

Or rather, I wish they weren't quite as "nicely made" (the engraving - or whatever the right term is) I'm sure if excellent

But cheaper 😅

[dusty sky]

The only plane I can afford rn is the superjet 100

[rustic charm]

Guess I can just keep default tbf, doesn't seem too bad

Are there any must-have utilities for XP or something?

[trim harbor]

Headshake
Pushback plugin (i forgot the nane)
Map enhancement

[rustic charm]

Alright

[reef isle]

I only use better pushback and x-camera

Nothing else

[rustic charm]

Fair

[hollow oracle]

i personally like airlinertags a bit more, they do tags, but they also do other stuff

i got these little hexagons, they fit nicely in my challenge coin collection

the brussels airlines one was actually a special livery for a football team

and then the other one is a dragonair A320

[rustic charm]

Welp, enough XP for today, plus I do need to download more continents if I want to actually fly lol

Time for an overnight I reckon

L1011 to LTU

Ngl I find it kinda cool how LTU actually barely had long haul routes

[trim harbor]

i sadly only have 1 challenge coon

[trim harbor]

a330 to corfu lets go

[rustic charm]

L1011-1 Dusseldorf to Catania 😎

Also Dusseldorf - Rome

Best yet

L1011, Dusseldorf to Frankfurt

Not as a beginning of a longer flight

Just Dusseldorf to Frankfurt and back

[rustic charm]

Now I gotta figure out how to make it from Palmdale to Dusseldorf with just 9 waypoints...

Because quite obviously

Using a GPS unit would be heresy

[reef isle]

I guess 3 in the US, 4 in the Atlantic and 2 in Europe? Lol

Also good luck with drift if you're not there to do position updates...

[rustic charm]

Something along those lines

But well

Tbf

[reef isle]

Probably going to be like 10-15 miles off?

Maybe it's not that bad, I don't remember the actual value

[rustic charm]

I think if you import the flight plan it will input new ones ino the INS?