Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

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by toliss, ye

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Where's me 800

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is the 800 neo out irl yet

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I want to fly to Greenland

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There's only 9

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Pretty sure it's been flying for some time

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i finally got to the paying screen for the a340

holy shit it took a while

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Hahah

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Take screenshots l

L?

Fah

Sorry why does the A338 have a range of 8100 nautical miles

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Cause it can't reach 8200

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I'm going to do unspeakable things to you

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/90197-xp12-x-works-a330-800neo-mod-for-laminar-a330/

I found this

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xworks

oh boy

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I mean

Fair reaction

The A332 doesn't even work for me

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That sounds mildly threatening

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triple

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seven

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beautiful aircraft

beautiful engines

mid to fly on

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Peak add-ons tho

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the ff777 is hands down the best 777 ever made

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Couldn't find the gif I was looking for

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But let's agree to disagree

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for sure

they have done so much to the FF777 since i last updated

its crazy

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i came through

jesus christ

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You got it?

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ye

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Nice

Enjoy

And tell us how it is

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well buyting it is one thigng

the installation

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I'm waiting to see if possibly JF will be one of the resellers

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i'd imagine so

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anyone got the chinese flight levels sheet?

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merci

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Quatre vingt dix neuf?

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never listening to atc again

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Please?

Die hart ah atc

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So uh

I lied with the A338 existing

There's 8

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i dont think i own the gear dlc

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You can

There's an add-on for that

https://flightsim.to/addon/17738/celnav-for-msfs-celestial-navigation-sextant

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Oh, I see maintenance managed to bring you landing gear

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Da pencil

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the livery feels wrong though

the fonts also wrong and the colors feel abit washed imo

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Also that looks cool

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framwise on par with the pmdg planes however

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Time to learn astronomy

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taxicam worked better in xplane

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Infinite flight ah graphics

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I love the A3pencil-600

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dont really like this

theres no proper pause at t/d

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Yeah

Well, warning/caution/TD would work

But

On caution, seriously?

You can get caution really often

Would be annoying to be paused on each

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worst position EVER

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I don't think it fits there

The wings reach over into other stands lol

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honest review:

you pay for the system compared to visual fidelity, i personall think that the cockpit colors are bit too washed, same with PFD/ND colors. sounds are ok, some buttons dont have a sound at all (CSTR bttn e.g)
EFB is ok. its a toliss standard i'd say, it has lots of options no doubt, for me however the automatic input of weights in for refueling didnt work. the throttle config is also really terrible compared to ini, workable however. pause at t/d i mentioned above, for me personally thats important because of work etc.
FMC works, no complaints, uplinking the TO data however gave me entirely false results than the EFB did
flightmodel wise very good, feels mega heavy like i'd expect from am a346

oh yeah, also no auto step climbs

not a super big deal of course but annoying to me

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Tbh no steps is a bit annoying

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it's small things obviously but for me thats important in a long haul aircraft

i dont think i'd buy it again as is rn

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X plane

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everyoens waiting for my slow ass

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Departing PANC simulating the Iditarod air force picking up and delivering dogs along the route

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777-300ER freighter

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ERSFs are cool

Saw a Kalitta-painted one in Al Maktoum once

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never knew that existed

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They entered service not too long ago

I think it was end last year

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I think this image is cool

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I agree

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👍

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Landing light inop

What are you flying?

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321N

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Neat

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guess ill have to suck it up

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its got more than just a lanidng light problem

yea now might be an idea to divert

help

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I'm no expert but I think something's wrong

Seriously though, are you playing with some maximum failure frequency? lol

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it just happend

im flying vors now

i lost gps

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I can only suggest landing as quickly as you can lol

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a sight to behold

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not again

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A321neo my beloved

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think the fualts r broken

its taking the piss atp

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Quantas 32 moment

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Why's this Airbus? Taking the piss? I've been clearing ECAMs for 30 mins

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yall ever see that many faults LOL

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I think Airbus dislikes you

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thats just page 1/3

btw

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https://www.justflight.com/in-development/a300-b4-professional

Yay

New dev update

Focuses on lighting

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i wonder if there'll be an automatic FE option

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Gorgeous

Most likely

It seems to be a standard for 3-crew airliners

So I doubt JF won't do that

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that is very very nice

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The game is trolling you specifically at this point

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-fuck-you-in-particular-building-lightning-strike-gif-17503856494311093046

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niceeeeee

finally

the 154M

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What was it only the B2?

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ye

the B2 was an entirely different ACF tho with some assets ported from the Felis -M

the M is now fully updated and then some

new performance metrics and avionics presets

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Is the M any easier to fly?

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its a soviet airliner, of course not

the suffering is part of the experience

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I wouldn't quite say easier, but it's a bit different still

The М generally has climbs faster and descends a lot slower than Б2, it generally keeps speed more easily

Also some slight differences in the electrical system, and I think nav instrumentation is a bit different (although nav capabilities stay the same)

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nah?

-M has full GPS functionality

i thought the -B2 was VOR or the soviet INS only

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Maybe Ms got retrofitted with it and that's what sims depict to have some bigger differences between them?

Cause I'm pretty sure originally neither of them had GPS

Not sure if they originally even had any inertial nav at all

Looking at real cockpit pictures, the GPS there is definitely a later addition

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i think some of the much much later built M's had GPS

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That is very possible tbh

Cause Ms were built until

2008

Which honestly is quite crazy, cause it's essentially the same as if Boeing keps building 727s into 2000s

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Well

I would argue that it’s a bit different

But yeah kinda

It’s cool

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Even EGPWS

Didn't expect that one

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this was the 90's so it was semi mandatory for new aircraft

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It has GPS as well I think?

Maybe?

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Well the original ones shouldn't really, newest Ms looks like got it from the factory, all others that survived long enough seemingly were retrofitted

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I love the 154 it's so easy to fly

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Tbf it shouldn't be too difficult

Also try it with a fully Russian cockpit and no translate

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So simple

Ok to be fair it's not that hard

It does make sense

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It's genuinely not that hard

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Wish I could agree from experience

But of course, the only 2 Soviet things in MSFS are An-225 and An-2

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the startup is more difficult since for whatever reason soviet/russian planes have a switch for a lot of things that in a western aircraft would be just automatically powered up whenever you have some specific bus powered

so you can miss some important things and maybe not realize until it's too late

but the actual flying and autopilot isn't any "harder" or more difficult

it's just different

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Just gotta get used to the instruments

Cause Soviet ones were quite different

The artificial horizon especially

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yeah but even then it's not like it's something you have to decrypt or anything, if you're not used to it you won't be able to just give it a quick glance and "read" it, but after looking it at it for 2 seconds you will immediately understand what it's saying

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Oh yeah

It only becomes specifically difficult when you're already under stress and high workload

Cause then you just revert to what you're used to, so you might misinterpret the instruments

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yeah it does, well, that's what I mean, what it usually something that's "automatic" becomes something you have to stop for a second and actively think about, if you're in a situation where you don't have enough "headroom" (literally) for that, then you're in trouble 😄

as they were in the 737 😬

I find the 134 significantly more difficult than the 154 too

the 134 is to the 154 what the Caravelle is to the 732 hahah

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Well, tbh I don't think the artificial horizon even played any significant role there. Even if they had the Soviet instruments they were used to, the flight was doomed from the start

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Yeah, well it certainly didn't help

but agreed, it probably wasn't the one deciding factor

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A 737 flown by what was essentially a 1-person crew, a crew that didn't have much experience with western avionics and navigation equipment at that, in an imperfect plane, in the dark, in worsening weather conditions...

Aeroflot has come a long, long way in terms of crew cooperation since then

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https://www.justflight.com/in-development/f70-100-professional

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCmRkhAzYA

"Time to do another Alitalia Livery!!" ❤️

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Please release

Please

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Atlas placed the first big order for the A350Fs

20 of them

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What a weird way of phrasing that

Is MSFS24 good yet or are people still sticking to 2020

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I personally am sticking to 2020, but mostly because I am too used to it so don't yet feel fully comfortable in 2024. In itself the sim doesn't have any major issues for me

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Ngl 2024 looks a bit plastic

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How so? Is it a change in the graphics engine?

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No clue

I don't even have the sim just from photos and videos it looks like plastic to me

Anyway

https://fselite.net/content/nimbus-simulation-studios-shares-new-707-screenshots/

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I don't think there's a change

Graphically I'd say 24 can be worse, equal or better than 20

Depends on how you run it

If you can run 24 on good settings, it's going to look better

A friend who moved fully to 24 says to him it looks a lot better

When I run it, it looks pretty much the same as 20 to me

There is a chance you'll need to run it on lower settings though due to performance, in which case it will look worse

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FS24 runs significantly worse than 2020 on my system

At the same graphics settings

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For me its the opposite

For me 2024 runs way way better (from abt 30 fps to 90-100) and looks better, using higher settingd

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It's probably that my GPU is a little underpowered compared to my CPU and RAM

That's usually good for simulators (that's why I decided my PC to be like that)

But not for simulators that use 24GB of Vram to render a leaf on a tree

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My 24 settings are slightly lower than in 20, cause I don't have much VRAM (that's the limiting factor for me), so it looks roughly the same as 2020 and runs about the same

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I have more vram than any of you (probably) but the GPU is poo 🥀

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What are you using?

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https://x.com/BlogsBrick/status/2033907343151264242?s=20

Brick Built Blogs (@BlogsBrick)

Lego Douglas DC-3 PAN AM Airliner revealed!

1903 Pieces / $219.99 / 1st April 2026

#Lego #Legonews #Legoleaks

X · Mar 17, 2026, 2:04 PM

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-mad-cat-mad-gif-617855691051511206

I DONT HAVE THE SHELF SPACE FOR THIS

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3060 12gb

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Not an awful card by an stretch of the imagination, MSFS is just rough

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You don't say?

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I struggle to push higher graphics in VR on my 3090 and that's got 24GB

I think even 4090s struggle, and 5090s are too busy melting their own power connectors to count

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I want at least somewhat medium graphics

And 4k is just

Too much

Oh damn a 9060xt can actually fit in my case

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Okay that is actually one I might get

The nose looks wrong admittedly, but also idk if you could really get it any better with lego

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Can I get one

I haven't built a Lego set in years

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I mean, you can

But it's expensive

As all legos are

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sadly always the way when they start appointing consultants to run the company

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Of course the ONE TIME I can't look at the replay is when I land with the Caravelle (that has god awful visibility), passing pretty much above Rome's city center

(most stable Caravelle approach btw)

as usual it bugs out after landing, it sets the chocks by itself and the only way to fix it is to reload the plane (but that will kill the replay), so before doing that I saved the replay, or at least that's what Xplane wanted me to think

because at the end I had nothing 🙁

this is so annoying, I wanted to get some footage and I wanetd to edit it a bit and post it as a YouTube video

I guess that idea is gone

how very beautiful

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@reef isle https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/344804-bac-1-11-for-x-plane12/

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I was about to send the exact same thing lmao

This looks sick

Do love a 1-11

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At least the V2 will be a free upgrade, fine with me then

Still kinda annoying that once it releases it will be day 1 with 0 liveries all over again

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Only the -500 is avail as of now right

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Yeah

It says the 733 and 734 will enter final testing as soon as they release the new 735 update

I'd say we'll see them in 1-2 months?

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Yoooooo

That's excellent

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Once V2 drops it might geninuely be time to look into it

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Tbh I'll probably buy the whole thing once the 733 and 734 drop

I liked the 735, and they did have a few update since I last used it

And the 733/734 freighters will be incredibly useful

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Question is how much for the entire package

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The full price doesn't change iirc

Still $120 for all variants

Alternatively $45 per variant if you want to buy them separately (plus I think freighters are like $10-$15 additionally?)

Or a subscription (gives you all variants too), $5 per month or $50 per year

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Not too shabby

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Yeah, I think it's great

[tired pond]

I'll be keeping my eye on

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Did a one month a while ago, but it wasnt ready. May try again after update.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/lXSSYOWxJv

Well, there goes any interest I had in ToLiss products

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https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/344804-bac-1-11-for-x-plane12/#comment-3015900

[reef isle]

Ah excellent

that is a wonderful excuse to set sail in search for their Xplane product

I have my Tricorn hat ready

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https://tenor.com/view/soccer-funny-gif-26484148

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQweFurRz4g

sooner or later more people will realize

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nice italian

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(sorry)

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I think it's close

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Oh hell yeah more free xplane planes

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That's of course not nice, but also, nothing you can do if the rule is in the EULA and does't break any laws (which I doubt that does). It's generally a bad idea playing from several different devices if they all get moved around. I doubt it's just ToLiss even. I'm 100% sure that if Steam noticed that my account is being used by one computer in Dubai, another computer in Moscow, and a third computer that gets moved all around the world, it'd be deleted quite quickly

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The EULA is quite bad and contradictory at points

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Also using a VPN in China... obviously everyone does it there, but voicing that you do isn't a good idea, cause that'll get you a fine at the very least

Really they could've responded to tickets better of course (although if you send 18 support tickets about the same issue, I'd say being simply disregarded is very much expected), but also, considering the usage of a VPN, I don't think there'd be any way to prove that all the devices were used by the same person

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Don't remember who asked about that

Btw

They said the release is planned this month

Initially marketplace-only though

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4 engines?

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The L-1011 is one of the planes that were build with the ability to transport an engine in mind

747s can do the same, carrying an unfunctional 5th engine uner the wing

Mostly done because back in the day there were no other options since no freighters could carry an engine like that, plus even now it's still easier to just use a regular flight if needed instead of sending a dedicated freighter

Does anyone know of any decent MSFS scenery for Palmdale regl?

That's where 1011s were built and it'll be a pain starting each delivery from a default airport

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We hear speech in a trailer? In 2026? And it's not AI??? Impossible

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https://youtu.be/RRvWd0HUsmw?is=j5tb3bEK-5-p1SIK

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Not scat airlines

[runic hare]

they should have a special brown livery

tbf it does look really nice

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I'm gonna do this

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@rustic charm lmk when u tried the 73 out

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Alright

I'm waiting for now until they release the full one

Cause I hope they adjust the prices

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hope it drops this month

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Cause they support direct payments from Russian cards (which is honestly really nice), but when they last set it up, the exchange rate was higher so it ends up being $130 now instead of $120

[rustic charm]

Hopefully

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arent they a russian company?

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Well

Kinda

They're Russian themselves

But they're actually based in the UAE

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ah

not that it matters

i was just confused why they would put a tax on russian cards if they're russian emselves

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It's probably not a tax

They set a price at one point

Looked at the conversion rate of $120, rounded to the next 100

Ended up with 10800

Then the exchange rate changed

Although tbf

It's trending up again

$120 was consistently between 9000 and 9400 for the past couple of months

But now in March it started climbing and today it's shown as 10200

So it kinda feels like I should get the thing before the rate becomes even worse and they raise the price

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Go say hi

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Doubt they'll like having an unannounced guest like that

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Tell them they like the product

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I don't even have it right now lol

I've played it a couple times on release, then a couple times half a year after

[reef isle]

We've joked with a friend of mine that we should go and visit Leonardo

and tell them to make a DC-9

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Tell them to make DC-9s

And freighters too actually

[reef isle]

and the analogue MD82 cockpit

[rustic charm]

At least those are planned now at some point

Also MD-81s (basically 82s but with the original cockpit iirc) and MD-87 (short boi)

[reef isle]

I think we even found out where they are, I think they're in Sardinia somewhere

we saw the building in google maps lol

[rustic charm]

Shouldn't they have an address on their website?

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Next to France

Poor guy

[reef isle]

I think so yes

[rustic charm]

Anyone who sells anything online is supposed to have a contact address I'm pretty sure

[reef isle]

Yep

was just about to say, it wasn't hard to find

it was clearly an office-y building

[rustic charm]

Yeah, not surprising

[reef isle]

so definitely no doxxing or anything like that

[rustic charm]

Flight sim devs usually would have some kind of office

Only small devs would work from home

[reef isle]

yeah makes sense

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Leonardo open up

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hahah yeah that's it 😆

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Inibuilds doesn't have the address

[rustic charm]

Pretty sure they're also in Dubai somewhere

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Says they're in London

😳

[rustic charm]

Tbh their main office may be there

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Pmdg is in vegas

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure they started out there

But also their research trips start from Dubai from what I've seen

[rustic charm]

Ah yeah

I remember that

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Here's pmdg

[rustic charm]

Right, Hughes parkway

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Open up and make the damn 747 faster

[rustic charm]

I remember they were on a street named after one of the big aviation names

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Who else

Fbw?

[rustic charm]

Well, JF is somewhere in London too

Aerosoft and FSS are in Germany, idk where exactly

Drzewiecki is in Poland

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Who is in Poland?

There's 2 buildings in front of the aerosoft building

[rustic charm]

Drzewiecki Design

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Never heard of them

[rustic charm]

Makes good airports

He made the Boeing locations (BFI, RNT, PAE) which are considered some of the highest-quality MSFS sceneries

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Which one is JF

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Pmdg r rich bastards

[rustic charm]

Okay so apparently I was wrong

JF's not in London

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That's like

The centre of the triangle between Northampton Peterborough and Cambridge

[tired pond]

If you want to be pedantic we aren't based anywhere anymore

As we're all remote

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

Makes sense

[tired pond]

But our HQ was in Huntingdon

[reef isle]

If you don't mind me asking, how "close" are JT and JF?

[rustic charm]

Well, I doubt the same people work on trains and planes

[tired pond]

We're entirely seperate development teams

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love the alaska livery

toobad its kinda ergh on the 787

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Guys he's defecting to the other side!!!!!!!!

Nah jk cool Alaska freighter tho

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love the old condor livery sm

[hollow oracle]

thomas cock

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What was all the memes with Tom cook in like

2021?

2020?

2019 maybe

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parellel landing with another player

still the coolest feature of sayintentions

it has proper MP

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@reef isle I see everything

I am the all knowing eye

Also me who didn't know where the dome light was on the 737

[dusky leaf]

There is a sale on at IL2. Im not going to participate, I do love it, but dont fly the content I already own enough.

[rustic charm]

Anybody knows the routes on which Dan Air flew BAe 146s?

[reef isle]

Yesn't

I did look into it some time ago but I can't relly remember at the moment

oh wait

I asked a guy on Instagram to send the TT and he did

give me a sec

[rustic charm]

Please don't do that again, "yesn't" is the scariest possible answer you can get when researching flights

[rustic charm]

That's really nice

I know they at least had them going to Innsbruck cause I am very sure I've seen a picture of one there

But other than that, idk

[reef isle]

my god

I'm such a boomer

I can't use instagram at all

Noo, I got confused sorry

that was Air UK

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huh

[reef isle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS0jO__E3xi/?img_index=3&igsh=MWoxbHI1NnhldjRkNA==

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Air UK from 1988. They were now a BAe146 operator but on a small scale just then. Predominantly a Fokker 27 airline but with the Shorts360 putting in growing appearances. The 146 is dedicated to feeding AMS from EDI, GLA and NCL - KLM appreciating the volumes of feed the combo could push through the Schiphol hub. And a 146 was dedicated to the 4...

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[rustic charm]

Ah

[reef isle]

https://www.danairremembered.com/timetables.php

[rustic charm]

Well, still gonna be useful

[reef isle]

here you should have the Dan Air stuff

[rustic charm]

AirUK seems neat too

Oh nice

[reef isle]

they're not complete unfortunately

I have some memories of fidning Dan Air stuff though

[rustic charm]

Better than nothing

[reef isle]

and I'll go crazy if I don't find them again

https://timetableimages.com/ttimages/da7104.htm

before the 146 sadly

F28 is in there though

[rustic charm]

Well even before the 146s is still useful cause I plan to eventually have a Dan Air 727 too

[reef isle]

Think that's too early for 727s too sadly

and yes I was specifically looking for Dan Air 727 stuff

because they were one of the very few operators to actually use CIV-A

[rustic charm]

Fair

[reef isle]

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/da/da7404/da7404.pdf

this might have it?

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guys I'm going to belgrade

[rustic charm]

Could have 727s, but too early for 146s

[reef isle]

Just checked and no

[rustic charm]

I think the 146-100 first flew in 1981

[reef isle]

just Comets

yeah 146s would have been 80s

[rustic charm]

And the -300 was in 1988 iirc

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there is a shit ton of turbulence rn

[reef isle]

Maybe your only option is the few pages in the Ebay announcments

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/203279350676

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I guess lol

[reef isle]

I remember using these

[rustic charm]

Plus the good old 'look at pictures, fly there from the base airport'

[reef isle]

yes

[rustic charm]

Tbh I somehow find it easier to find timetables for the US

[reef isle]

https://www.tumblr.com/airlinemaps/613463490403909632/dan-air-route-network-1986-the-dan-air-scheduled

Airline Maps

Dan-Air route network, 1986

The Dan-Air scheduled route network from a 30 March 1986 timetable.

London Gatwick-based Dan-Air eschewed all geographic markers for a map of just lines (year-round, seasonal and Loganair) and dots. The map is OK, but they definitely could have given more space to their domestic routes - the routes around Bristol, Cardiff, Guernsey and Jersey are really quite dense - instead of their far-flung continental services.

Dan-Air merged with British Airways in 1992.

Source: Air, Land and Sea on Flickr

-# #Dan-Air #route map #1986

Tumblr · Mar 24, 2020, 10:06 AM

[rustic charm]

Maybe it's cause there's the northwest airlines archive which has timetables for literally everything Northwest bought out, and that makes up pretty much half of the interesting old airlines lol

[reef isle]

haha yes, I found that some time ago and it's excellent

also you can get most of the 2000s timetable from the big 3 using internet archive

[rustic charm]

Northwest? Check. Hughes? Check. Republic? Check. Southern? Check

[reef isle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_vf5X0Br-i/?igsh=MWgzZTJpeGdsdWthYQ==

Maybe you can ask this guy to send the whole TT

francophileonthemove

Dan Air (London) scheduled service vintage timetable, 1991. Dan Air was founded in 1953 and was eventually merged with British Airways in 1992. This great timetable includes seating plans and an advert for free helicopter transfers for Elite (Club) class passengers landing in Nice. #danair #airlinememorabilia #airlinecollectibles #aircraft #avia...

Instagram

[rustic charm]

Northwest archive is so good it even has tons of KLM timetables lol

[rustic charm]

Hmm could be worth a try

[rustic charm]

Well tbh for the 2000s it wasn't big 3 yet, it was big 6 XD

Oh

I forgot the 146 actually has failures

That's cool

[reef isle]

Yes absolutely

absolute gem

[rustic charm]

Pretty little thing

My favourite cockpit is still the MD-11, but damn they did good with this thing

[dusty sky]

what's the localizer frequency at belgrade 30R?

[rustic charm]

109.90 at 296

https://chartfox.org/LYBE#1bf34e7a-9731-4e25-9876-8e96966e44a3

[dusty sky]

117nm direct is crazy

direct to the final waypoint on the route is crazy

[rustic charm]

Almost 2 years of having this thing but no flights lol

[rustic charm]

Oh right

I forgot this thing has a very weird AP

Which allows you to use the VS mode... but not to set VS

[dusty sky]

what

how does that even work

[rustic charm]

It follows the VS that you have when you engage the mode

Welcome to Gatwick

[wide zenith]

responsible financial decisions

[rustic charm]

The 343 is fun

Except every time I fly it, something happens

I think literally my 3 latest 340-300 flights were unsuccessful

First was a BWIA delivery overnight, got some internal issue (felt like WASM, but it didn't give me the orange screens) that made me unable to use any controls

Second was a Cathay delivery to Kai Tak, also overnight, and in the morning I realised I forgot to install the airport

Third was the re-attempt of Cathay, which ended up the same as the BWIA delivery

[reef isle]

You can change it using either sync mode or using the pitch datum switch on the pedestal

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

Tbh I don't know the 146 that well

[reef isle]

It's quirky but fun

I definitely recommend having sync mode bound to something you can easily press

Basically in "sync mode" the autopilot remains active behind the scenes, but there are some clutches that engine and prevent the autopilot from moving the controls, so basically you have manual control of the aircraft even though the autopilot is active.

You can use this to either quickly take control if the A/P is reacting badly, or to quickly change the "datums", or basically the values you'd normally set on an MCP

[dusty sky]

So like

The autopilot is armed?

[reef isle]

No, it's fully active and "it thinks" it's controlling the plane, but there's a mechanical clutch that prevents it from acting on the controls

[rustic charm]

Now

I'm even more convinced

That the UK's best engineers were working on the plane

Then got tired

Grabbed a pint

And another pint

And another

Then came back and started working on the AP

[dusty sky]

So real

Did y'all know the Concorde had auto land

[reef isle]

good enough, let's wait 10 years, stick some of whatever Boeing used for the 737 classic or whatever inside the cockpit, throw the extra switches whenever there's s little bit of space, maybe give it slight better engines or something IDK and let's call it "RJ"

[dusty sky]

[rustic charm]

Like, the 146 honestly feels very good, it's a brilliant design all round, I love the cockpit etc, but the AP is just... all I can say is "Why?"

[dusty sky]

Didn't the trident have autoland

[rustic charm]

Many jets had autoland

But quite often it was an option/retrofit

[dusty sky]

I have autoland

Autoland in my bed

[rustic charm]

I think the 1011 was the first airliner which had all of its variants equipped with autoland from the beginning?

[reef isle]

If you consider the development hell it went through (probably was developed by at least 483 different companies that went through 38373 ownership and leadership changes - and it was the least messy British '70-80s project), and you keep in mind how much that delayed the whole thing, and compare its autopilot system to something like the DC-9, F28 or the early 727s, it's not that bad

[dusty sky]

Now only if there was a good model of the trident...

[dusty sky]

Thatcher?

[reef isle]

Not just her

The UK aerospace industry was a big mess from the late '60s until basically the late '80s early '90s

[dusty sky]

TSR2

[rustic charm]

The UK aerospace industry was basically...

[reef isle]

We can stay here and name a thousand different projects that were all sorts of messed up by that climate

They had an amazing great start and early lead with the Comet and the proceeded to immediately throw all of that away

[rustic charm]

"Here, have a comet, we invented the jet age, now lets just make sure we don't have a single fully normal project from now on"

Exactly

[dusty sky]

More like the government was

"cool plane you have there, but it's too expensive so we're gonna end the project so I can fund my vacation"

[reef isle]

I'm sure in no small part the US had a role, since basically, the net result of all of that was that (comparatively) the US became THE big aerospace giant, which wasn't true at all in the post-WWII period and even into the '50s

[rustic charm]

I mean, the one-eleven was kinda okay, the trident wasn't too bad (cause it was essentially a Boeing), and the concorde was okay too

[reef isle]

Well, the trident could have been just a better 727, with a huge lead on it

But BEA said "no, it must be small"

[rustic charm]

Yep

[dusty sky]

The 1-11 was good enough for us to want to produce it during communism so yeah

[rustic charm]

And it was a 727 but a bit less

[reef isle]

Yeah, unfortunately

[dusty sky]

Did y'all know Tarom had 707's

[rustic charm]

So in the end the 727 just ended up being much more popular and flown in like 70% of countries

Meanwhile the trident? The UK, uhh... yes

[dusty sky]

China

[rustic charm]

Even BA's South African subsidiary, during the commonwealth times, went for the 727s

While BA itself had tridents

[wide zenith]

Bleh that sucks, sorry to hear its caused difficulty. I know ini aircraft can sorta be like that sometimes, prominent WASM crashes. I had one in the a350 a few weeks ago, init req and it wasm'd and altf4ed to go do something else cause cba reloading the whole sim ect

[dusty sky]

This livery is cook

Cool

[reef isle]

Well, the 1-11 and the 146 are the only "post-comet" British planes that had any sort of impact on a world scale, and both of them were very much outclassed by the competition, merely the DC-9, (later on the 737-200), and the 146 managed to be somewhat successful just because it filled a niche that was small enough that nobody else bothered to try and fill

[reef isle]

Yeah that was a whole thing

It happened a lot

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[reef isle]

Basically BOAC wanting American jets, and the government saying "no"

But ultimately they managed to always get them haha, usually thanks to RR engines

[dusty sky]

Why did our 707's have like 4 different liveries

[rustic charm]

The 1-11 was honestly kinda cool, and actually decently widespread

Northeast had them in the US

Someone flew them in Germany

I think in Indonesia/Malaysia even?

[dusty sky]

I've seen a Romanian built one

[reef isle]

Yes, TAROM had them as well IIRC

[rustic charm]

Obviously Romania not only flew them, but built them

[reef isle]

It was fairly widespread

[dusty sky]

Licence built by rombac

[rustic charm]

And tbh it was a good jet

[reef isle]

Yes, but it's s lot more comparable to something like the F-28 in terms of sales, the DC-9 (and later the 737) are in a totally different league unfortunately

[rustic charm]

It was very good for its purpose: "make it able to land in a fucking field and ensure it can withstand at least 3 consecutive explosions without falling apart"

[dusty sky]

The plane in question

[reef isle]

ROMA

[dusty sky]

Huh

[rustic charm]

Yeah. I mean, the DC-9 and the 737 were in a totally different world compared to most of the planes ever built

The 737 especially

Which is funny that Douglas actually managed to pinpoint what everyone wants (a small, economical twin-engine airliner which can fly into any runway and only needs 2 pilots) first, yet Boeing managed to outdo them

[dusty sky]

"if it's Boeing, I ain't going"

[rustic charm]

• all the people who know nothing about planes

[dusty sky]

More like if it's Russian I ain't going

[rustic charm]

Also all the people who know nothing about planes

Pretty much everything after Tu-104 was safe

[dusty sky]

Well

[rustic charm]

Well apart from crews

Crews weren't safe

[dusty sky]

"safe"

That's why one of the prototypes of the il-62 crashed

[rustic charm]

I think we crashed a Tu-154 because we just fell asleep... a Tu-134 on a bet - "Bet I can land this thing blind"... an A310 because we let kids into the cockpit...

[dusty sky]

I mean

The crew of the 154 fell asleep cuz they had no where to sleep

[rustic charm]

It's a short-haul airliner lol

You shouldn't really need to sleep in it

[dusty sky]

They had no where to sleep at the airport...

[reef isle]

Putting the engines beneath the wings and the wider fuselage really paid off in the long term

To be fair, I don't think nobody could have known at the time

[rustic charm]

Well

Putting the engines beneath the wings was paying off every year until late 2010s...

[reef isle]

Yes...

[rustic charm]

Cause it turns out having engines that are way too big and powerful beneath the wings is not actually good

Although tbh

The 737M should've never been created to begin with

Should've really had a continuation of the 757 instead

[reef isle]

Don't get me started

[rustic charm]

Honestly killing it off was such a stupid idea

It was probably the most promising aircraft at the time overall

[dusty sky]

Bro the 757 is so random yet was such a good plane

[trim harbor]

ini a380 for sure not coming this year

im optimistic for the a220 however

[trim harbor]

w a340

[rustic charm]

Welp

Just about 2am for me

So that means

Time to fly something that will definitely give me a headache

[wide zenith]

eis1 is lovely :v

[rustic charm]

Back in the most iconic livery of all time

Oh, it gets even better, they're doing an uncharted visual into LGA right now

Perfect

[trim harbor]

eis1

a man of culture

[rustic charm]

EIS1 is lovely

[trim harbor]

if it only had the old gpws too

[rustic charm]

Maybe I should do this with vatsim... I'm sure the controllers in New York will really enjoy having a tired RNAV-unable 727 pilot who might screw up at any point in their airspace

[trim harbor]

terrible weather

[dusty sky]

I should probably fly virgin to china instead

Only have 1 virgin flight

Which is crazy cuz I love the livery

[wide zenith]

How do ppl feel about the ini a340 sounds?

[dusty sky]

Do I fly A330 or A340

[wide zenith]

the livery is pretty peak

[wide zenith]

4 engine oppsss yess

[dusty sky]

Yay

Gotta get a livery

Oooo

Old livery

1999 one

[dusty sky]

Uh

No directs to china from the UK on virgin?

[rustic charm]

Ah the wonderful views

[trim harbor]

they're aight i think

same with the 350

ini still excel in aircraft development

[wide zenith]

Its just the rate at which they push stuff out at the moment is crazy

[trim harbor]

inis a big studio now arent they

[wide zenith]

yeah massive compared to other devs

KDFW and VHHH in one month

[trim harbor]

tristar this month as well

lmao

[rustic charm]

Gonna call it a night now

[dusky leaf]

I used to fly on the 146 charter for work. The pilots used to call it either “the four hairdryers” or “the best 3 engined plane that ever flew”

[trim harbor]

ah man the super connie isnt for msfs2024

big pity

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-gif-20433500

how it feels getting back into flight sims after being away for like 2 months

[hollow oracle]

kind of botched the departure out of JFK a bit, the AP turn knob wasnt centered so AP CMD wasnt engaging, so i was trying to takeoff and also troubleshoot autopilot while maintaining speed and heading

though i also chose the 747-200 for my first flight back after 2 months

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6uZUK8SH7I

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-gif-25818512

[fickle oar]

felis even more so

[hollow oracle]

a little bit of a stiff landing, but i've done worse, especially for being 2 months out of practice

and on an aircraft type that i had landing technique issues with too, though ive drilled those into my brain quite hard

[dusty sky]

That goes so hard

[trim harbor]

the winwing yoke looks nice

holy shit

$350 is a STEAL

[rustic charm]

Tbh for a full overhead it really is

[rustic charm]

Still waiting to see how much it costs

[trim harbor]

they said in a range of 400-500

[rustic charm]

Holy

That's also a steal

For a full floor-mounted yoke

[trim harbor]

they're gonna do another conference in june where they'll announce more new products and reveal the prices as well as release date

[rustic charm]

The only versions I've seen as of yet cost like $1500+

[trim harbor]

a homecockpit really isnt far away anymore

you can easily build one for what? 2500USD maybe?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

with only using winwing stuff

[rustic charm]

Yep

I mean

$60 sidestick

Around $200 for throttles

$350 for literally the whole overhead

The forward panels they've done aren't that expensive either

For now just missing the PFD and ND

Which tbh I'm sure they'll end up doing too

Do you'll have a full A320/330 lineup

[trim harbor]

they made an apache cockpit

which works with two people

holy shit LOL

[rustic charm]

Wow

[trim harbor]

the yoke is also in development with PMDG

[rustic charm]

Huh

ini just released an F27 on the marketplace

Looks kinda nice, but also a really weird move cause iirc there is a rather good freeware F27

[reef isle]

indeed

I wouldn't bother with that tbh

[rustic charm]

I guess the Xbox players will have one now

Also we got a city update 14

Belgium & Netherlands

[trim harbor]

how bout they drop the tristar rn

[rustic charm]

Amsterdam, Breukelen, Brielle, Eidhoven, Rotterdam, Utreht, Antwerp, Bruges

[trim harbor]

i honestly expect it to release this weekend

[rustic charm]

I think it might

[rustic charm]

Also

About the screenshots

Looks really like they just used slew mode to take them

And didn't bother actually flying the aircraft

Those props are not spinning

[reef isle]

Absolute lazyness

[dusty sky]

mscenery ah

[reef isle]

Not that bad no

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I doubt it'll be that bad

ini-MS stuff is usually okay/meh

But not awful

[trim harbor]

757s coming Q3 2026

oh

im late

lol

[rustic charm]

I'm fast XD

[rustic charm]

So annoying that EGCD doesn't exist in any nav databases

It's fun that the 146, which was built there, doesn't know the airport

[trim harbor]

sexy livery

[reef isle]

Are you sure those would be delivered straight from BAe?

Oh yeah they did

I misremembered

[rustic charm]

Tbf even when planes aren't straight from the manufacturer, I often deliver them brand new

Mostly cause it would be too much of a pain to do the actual routings

It can sometimes be more or less fine for passenger planes

But then

Imagine doing a realistic delivery for a cargojet 727

The reg I flew a couple times was initially with Ethiopian iirc

So it's like

Get it from Seattle to Ethiopia

Just to then turn around and fly it from Ethiopia over to Canada

[reef isle]

You could just pretend you took it from the last carrier

So you'd just fly from Ethiopia back to the US

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but tbh I kinda prefer that any plane I have appears from a factory

Well, obviously some had flights before I delivered them, cause I didn't decide on that rule right away

But now whenever I get a new plane, it comes from a factory

Cause sadly you can't create planes out of thin air, otherwise I would've had a fleet at home

[reef isle]

Yeah that's cool 😄

[rustic charm]

Welp

Tbh the fuel situation has me slightly worried

Actually nah, should be good

[tired pond]

The naming is pretty cool

[rustic charm]

Yeah, cool idea

Except the Everett one actually resembles Renton much more

[trim harbor]

first time every flying vfr with atc

sketchy af

[trim harbor]

thanks jim

[dusty sky]

lmao what

can someone explain to me why a B-1 lancer did this

[balmy forge]

They were hoping for a curry

[reef isle]

@rustic charm Have you ever looked for BCAL's schedules?

British Caledonian

[rustic charm]

Nope, haven't

[reef isle]

alright

time to see what I can find

Thanks anyway, sorry to bother

[rustic charm]

Will have to once the Tristar is out

[rustic charm]

Dw it doesn't bother me

[reef isle]

IIRC they were mostly charter too, so....

yeah

at least for LTU we have quite a bit on FSDispatch

https://www.british-caledonian.com/HUGE_Radome.html

HAHAH

G-HUGE

[rustic charm]

Which years are you looking for btw?

I assume Tristar service?

Well I see some 70s ones, but that's too early

[reef isle]

I absolutely need to share this with you or I'll explode

https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/1/14603_1152292412.jpg

G-DCIO

absolutely incredible

BCAL has just become my all time favourite airline in history

(consider also G-HUGE, one of their 747s)

[rustic charm]

"Hmm... which registration should we give this DC10..."

[reef isle]

G-DCIO, said one of the few people on Earth able to use 200% of their brain

I genuinely want to know how that was, meet with him and compliment him in person

[rustic charm]

G-HUGE for a 747 is also golden

[reef isle]

absolutely

Oh no

is it time to figure out how these are different? 😭

These two apparently have nothing to do with each other

Because of course they don't

[rustic charm]

Well from what I could find

Essentially

When BCAL was absorbed into BA

Their charter operations merged with British Airtours to form the new Caledonian

And they did not have any scheduled operations from then, only charters

[reef isle]

Sorry I was reading the wikipedia of the wrong Caledonian

(there are at least 3)

[reef isle]

Ah yes

so Caledonian is just British Airtours really

[rustic charm]

Essentially

And in fact they're the ones who flew 1011s

[reef isle]

Least confusing BA subsidiary related thing...

[reef isle]

yep

Ok, makes sense

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1405495
@rustic charm 👀

[rustic charm]

Well that has some stuff for sure

[balmy forge]

Inibuilds has their A300, 340 and 350 on sale. Any recomendations?

[rustic charm]

Don't have the A350 myself, but the A300 and A340 are quite nice

If you like freight, the A300 has a lot of it

But not much variety in terms of airlines you could realistically fly

Well

There is variety, but much less than a lot of other planes

The A340 is 99% passenger, quite nice really but not the most widespread aircraft either. Plenty of airlines in Europe used it though

In terms of quality generally anything ini will have some bugs/imperfections, but will still be actually good (not decent/bearable, good)

[reef isle]

I've heard mostly positive things about the A350, it wasn't great at launch, but it has improved a lot.

The A340 (again, as far as I've heard) is probably one of the best ini busses yet, and it's quite quirky and interesting.

The A300 is alright af far as I know, although I would argue that if you want a "proper" classic Airbus you might as well wait for the Just Flight A300B, and if you want to do freight I'd rather wait for the BB 757. But it's quite an interesting era of Airbus and I wouldn't have anything against people that fly it 🙂

[trim harbor]

A350 is good

ignore the people who cry about WASM crashes. turn off autosave and fly without a cabin, you'll have a joy. by far the most modern airliner we have in the sim. working CPDLC/GPS jamming and very modern avionics

also (imo) feels beautiful to handfly

[reef isle]

I'm quite tempted by the A340 myself NGL, but considering how little I've flown the MD-11 (absolute tragedy) and how much I'll fly a lot of the planes that are coming up I can't justify it to myself

[rustic charm]

When it comes to the A300 that's true. If you want a proper classic Airbus/widebody in general, the JF A3B4 is just around the corner now, it will be much more useful

[rustic charm]

Fly the MD-11 now.

[reef isle]

"just around the corner" in Just Flight terms is "hoopefully maybe this year"

[trim harbor]

i wanna fly the md11 too but its too modern 😭

[rustic charm]

(yes)

[trim harbor]

im really craving for an old plane with FE rn thats decently heavy

[rustic charm]

Well

Lucky for you

The L-1011

[trim harbor]

it needs to come out rn

[reef isle]

I'm craving for a modern but non-airbus cockpit that is very clever and very cool, but in a tiny regional jet

and yet the 717 is nowhere to be seen 🙁

[rustic charm]

I mean, it's 10 days left max

[trim harbor]

ejets

[reef isle]

it doesn't have the charm of the McD flight deck

and it doesn't have the jankyness of the A220 systems

it's too good

[rustic charm]

Tbh the late McDonalds Douglas cockpit is just on a whole other level imo

[reef isle]

Right?

So cool

[rustic charm]

I can't even exactly pinpoint what it is

[trim harbor]

i pray that the l1011 just drops on sunday

[rustic charm]

It's just

Right

Like, genuinely, in the MD-11 somehow everything feels right

[rustic charm]

Well it might

Tbf

It's not like this is TSW

[trim harbor]

civa ins my love

[rustic charm]

In TSW we would have an exact date announced

[reef isle]

Yes, it's a shame that it was used almost exclusively for Long Haul

717 would be perfect

[trim harbor]

whats kinda shit about the l1011 is that it will release as a marketplace exclusive for the time being

[rustic charm]

But in MSFS devs for some reason just work, work, work then suddenly "Hey this thing is out"

I love how Aerosoft made a big announcement with the release date 2 days before the release for the 340 lol

[trim harbor]

i regret buying the 340

im in the minority i know

[reef isle]

I think TSW is a lot more "corporate"

[rustic charm]

I present to you domestic US cargo

You'll find tons upon tons of < 4h routes with UPS

[reef isle]

Fair enough, I just don't find it as cool

[rustic charm]

And you'll manage to never fly into the same airport too

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely

[reef isle]

I mean, if you cut-off at 4h you can get some decent flights (even with DAL or LTU), with the 717 you'd be doing proper short haul

I must admit, I was somewhat disappointed that AAL didn't use the F100 as a regional jet

But more or less interchangeably with the MD80

I love those sorts of flights

[trim harbor]

LTU 😭

[reef isle]

TRIPOLI TRIPOLI

[trim harbor]

god i love moser

https://youtu.be/w_X-ixGw6vU

such a good video

[rustic charm]

If you want proper regional stuff in the US, fly F28s with Horizon

50-minute legs going from the middle of nowhere, Montana to the middle of nowhere, Idaho

[balmy forge]

I think the A340 will be the winner then

Would still like to travel on one IRL, but that is a bit trickier

[rustic charm]

Well

For -300s

You have...

Venezuela or Afghanistan

Yeah

I haven't looked at Conviasa, but Kam Air also has rather crazy prices

[balmy forge]

I'm not fussy on the variant, just a A340 generally

Lufthansa have a few at least

[rustic charm]

Well the -600s are easier until Lufthansa retires them

Which I think they planned to do this year?

After they do though, I think it's just Conviasa for those lol

Cause Kam Air only flies -300s

Well there's also Mahan which has both but obviously they don't fly now

[trim harbor]

yahj

[balmy forge]

I think they're having issues with the replacement?

[reef isle]

I'm guessing that'd be the 777x's fault 😄

[balmy forge]

Was hoping to fly on one to the USA next week, but the prices weren't great

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1GaQMDAkKm/

Exciting given it's where I usually fly from

[dusty sky]

I didn't do my A340 flight today cuz the plane isn't compatible with xplane 12.4 😭

[dusty sky]

Why are you doing this to me

[reef isle]

Nassau calls me "Echo Alpha Lima"

a few days ago ORD controllers called me "Tango Whiskey Alpha"...

COME ON MAN

I'm not flying PeopleExpress or BusinessExpress

how do you not know

[dusty sky]

Piedmont?

[rustic charm]

Seriously????

How hard is is to say "Eastern"

Also about TWA, at least technically it's not awfully wrong