So you crash when flying it?
#Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)
dusty sky
First time I tried flying an MD-80 the game crashed out of nowhere
Second time the game crashed midflight
Only on the MD
hollow oracle
No
tired pond
hollow oracle
seems like that it's manually changed over by PNF
it's interesting how they immediately turn off the landing lights after takeoff, that might be a european or specific airline thing, but i've always been told that you wait until above 10,000ft to turn landing lights off
full plank
EKCH my beloved
hollow oracle
not a 717, but itll do 
reef isle
Probably just different configurations
Although both in the Alitalia and Meridiana videos they always keep CLMP/TAK OFF, then do the EPR sel and then go VNAV/PERF CLB
Which is how I always did it too, I didn't even know you could arm these on the ground 😅
Might as well share the most aggressive way to remove flaps
Heron 101 🥹
I miss Air One
rustic charm
Which is how I always did it too, I didn't even know you could arm these on the ...
Wait you can arm VNAV on the ground?
dusty sky
You can arm Vspeed as well
hollow oracle
Which is how I always did it too, I didn't even know you could arm these on the ...
I had no idea you could do that either, that era of aircraft didn’t really have ground mode arming
The 737 classics and 757s didn’t have that either, both LNAV and VNAV only armed once you were wheels up
I guess it’s kind of like this, a lack of standardization meant that every cockpit operated differently, even within the same airline
dusty sky
I don't even use VNAV below FL100 🤷♀️
I only use VNAV on the 787
Mainly cuz I know a guy who has a literal 787-9 manual
And he does not like watching me use it wrong 
rustic charm
I'm sure the manual doesn't actually state that you must use VNAV
The most it can do in that regard is highly recommend using it
But the usage of autopilot modes still remains the pilot's choice
reef isle
I think airline SOPs can restrict certain AP modes in normal operations
But that'd definitely be an airline SOP level thing rather than aircraft manual
rustic charm
Yeah
If the usage of some AP modes was restricted by the manufacturer... there would simply not be a button for those modes 
Or if using VNAV was a must, it would just automatically engage
dusty sky
I mean he's the type of person to join VC on a train
Cuz he did
Multiple times
And he got a bit annoyed that I left the gear up and didn't put it in off
But anyway
reef isle
hahaha yep a friend of mine was the same for a while 
then he got the message that people got fed up
(not me, I always found it amusing)
did my first "real" long haul
just shy of 9h
Included 1h of me flying in DCS while this was going on the in background
trail monolith
GPU gotta be frying
reef isle
since I was free today I did a litte bit of livery work, house cleaning and a bit of book reading, was nice forcing myself to not really do much on my PC
reef isle
GPU gotta be frying
yeah, poor 3060Ti was doing its best
FS24 was at its lowest possible setttings and set to like 640x720 resolution or something
rustic charm
So you were playing FS98
hollow oracle
X
definitely a little bit concerned that this is going to be the end of the MD-11, especially if every single airframe needs inspected/repaired
that's engine mounting work, which means practically removing both engines on the aircraft to repair it
maybe it's just removing some pylon fairings and taking a flashlight, but it could also be un-mounting the engine, inspecting the pylon aft mount, and then re-installing the engine
knowing aviation safety inspections when it comes to metal fatigue, most likely it's going to need some type of ultrasonic metal inspection, which usually means the part needs removed
reef isle
hollow oracle
one really important lesson i have learned in flight sim recently (and just aviation in general) is that you shouldn't be afraid to shed autopilot modes if the aircraft is doing something that you don't like
hollow oracle
i floated like 8 billion miles, thanks to a 10kt crosswind with 25kt gusts
but at this point i don't care, i landed safely and didn't overrun, so it stays
again, there is a reason why i am flying with an xbox controller on my PC, and not an actual real airline pilot
hollow oracle
hm, im really not a fan of how the rotate MD-80 climbs, it really likes to dive and climb to keep speed
quite badly
runic hare
definitely a little bit concerned that this is going to be the end of the MD-11,...
Doubt it tbh. This seems like a massive fuck up on the side of UPS maintenance as opposed to a critical design flaw that will need to be inspected on every airframe
hollow oracle
yeah, i just read a report that boeing sent out a maintenance bulletin on that specific part ages ago, seems like UPS didn't follow it properly
runic hare
I would also clarify that if it’s found on not just UPS airframes then it will probably be a fleet grounding
Considering there was a report about it published ages ago I think UPS are going to have a very long sit down with investigators in Washington without free donuts on the table….
hollow oracle
though, now that that it's a proven massive fatal defect and not just a bulletin inspection order, i feel like there's going to be a larger rollout of "you MUST check this at least once on your entire fleet" instead of just a reccomendation
hollow oracle
now this is freaky, this is one of the first times that i've had a visual hallucination while playing a flight sim
the way the clouds are curved made me feel like i was banking right
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Got myself a new plen
Plan is to deliver one for Thai, UPS, FedEx and American
Not sure which other airlines I want though
dusty sky
China eastern or china airlines
Now seeing you fly to Libya would be interesting
Very important airline you should do
Galaxy airlines in japan
Their whole fleet of 2 planes was A300's
Now hear me out
Qatar
rustic charm
Now seeing you fly to Libya would be interesting
Libya had A306s?
And tbh I don't plan to deliver anything to China for now
Mostly because none of the major airports there interest me much
So I don't want to buy them
And flying into default....
rustic charm
Oh, neat
dusty sky
And air Afrique in Cote D'Ivoire
rustic charm
Yeah, that's what I initially thought you meant
Air Afrique might be on the list tbh
They had a lot in their fleet
MD-11s too
dusty sky
I didn't remember exactly the name
Considering how it's writen
I would love to fly in Africa on vatsim
But the only planes I ever see online are south Africa and morroco
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https://flightsim.to/file/67430/air-afrique-tu-tas-8k-inibuilds-a300-600r welp this looks pretty, let's see if any freeware scenery exists for Cote d'Ivoire
rustic charm
Tbh that's surprising
When it comes to aviation, Ethiopia is Africa's main country essentially
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Again, don't really wanna buy the airport, and flying into default would be a pain
dusty sky
Am I correct that you want the 747ERF for the Emirates cargo work
rustic charm
Although I do think ini has landmarks for Abu Dhabi which includes the whole of Yas Island - the Ferrari World, the F1 circuit, everything, so that would be cool
rustic charm
Am I correct that you want the 747ERF for the Emirates cargo work
I want a 747-400 for many reasons
First and foremost, Rossiya
rustic charm
Tbh for Kai Tak I'll probably end up mostly using the classics
And L-1011s of course, if ini would do longer ones
dusty sky
747-400 still flew to Kai tak
trail monolith
Would love to do BA flight 9
What's stopping ya?
runic hare
747-400 still flew to Kai tak
A340 😍
rustic charm
Now that I have a way to actually control the A340 without the autopilot, I'll probably get one to Cathay as well
dusty sky
Emirates and Aeroflot
Yk the crazy thing is I did fly an emitrates one out of hong Kong just not Kai tak
rustic charm
Today though, it's UPS
dusty sky
Wish there was a CAAC livery for the A310
rustic charm
The modern livery is really nice tbh, it sits well on all of their planes, but I love this retro one even more
rustic charm
They did fly classics
To Kai Tak as well
Also DC-8s there
But we'll probably never have a DC-8
dusty sky
The planes people want? Not a chance
full plank
really need to pick up the MD11 upgrade, I quite liked the FS20 initial one but fromk what I've heard about the upgrade, its peak
rustic charm
I haven't actually bought any of the new stuff
Just the free update
So no FS24
And no failures
full plank
will need to buy it, binned off FS20 ages ago
rustic charm
I think it's $5 for the 2024 upgrade
So it's not too bad
Not the price of a coffee
But currently the FS24 version has a bit of an issue with crashes
Apparently some page in the FMC causes them
TFDi are aware of that and fixing
wide zenith
Got myself a new plen
Yay fun plane!
rustic charm
Is it just any plane being fun or is there something I don't know about this specific one
wide zenith
the former :p
rustic charm
Well, I can't disagree with that
I might deliver an A300 somewhere overnight tbh
Although considering I still have 2 hours of my current flight left...
wide zenith
I've had some spicy things happen with it but Its in my top 3 even if I dont fly it much as i'd like
hollow oracle
Not the price of a coffee
it's cheaper than some coffees that i've seen
rustic charm
I've had some spicy things happen with it but Its in my top 3 even if I dont fly...
Tbh I assume it will function the same as the A310
And I haven't yet had any issues with the A310
Well apart from quirky keyboard steering
Which I'd love to solve by buying a rudder
But rudders are even more expensive than everything else lol
I don't want to get some cheap stopgap
And I'm quite set on Winwing's rudder tbh, will be nice considering it also can double as car pedals and I'm playing F1 now
But with shipping the damn thing is $470
Which is still cheaper than Thrustmaster which is the other option
wide zenith
I just use the twisty thing on the airbus joystick for taxi and vertical stab/rudder/ aileron whatever I think is the word
and whenever its windy I just hope I can accurately crab with it and not have my center line just going completely off
I wanted to try justify some pedals but my last experience with the cheap TM ones then the next stop up is like 250+ plus which
I taxi maybe 5-10 mins each flight
rustic charm
I just use the twisty thing on the airbus joystick for taxi and vertical stab/ru...
The twisty thing?
wide zenith
Theres an axis on the joystick itself you can move it left and right
rustic charm
Ah, that thing
Tbh it's easier to justify pedals for me, cause again those will double as car pedals
But still
$470
wide zenith
Expensive
rustic charm
Yeah
hollow oracle
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Almost at Louisville
dusky leaf
Pedals are a waste if you mainly fly airliners. Helis and GA esp taildraggers are a different matter
rustic charm
Fair
But how else would I battle crosswinds
Cause tbh crosswinds is my biggest weak point
hollow oracle
a controller is the best inital flight sim investment tbh
rustic charm
Yeah, but I already have a sidestick and throttles
A controller would be quite useless as an addition
hollow oracle
oh, yeah, if you have a sidestick and throttles then you dont need a controller
my thrustmaster airbus stick has the twist axis for yaw, so that's what i primarily use
rustic charm
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And time for an overnight to Bangkok
Simbrief says I can't actually make it
Well
Kinda
It says I have enough route fuel, but block fuel would exceed the maximum
But for some reason the maximum fuel load in Simbrief is 54.5, while the plane actually allows you to load just over 60 tons
Also ngl, the EFB in this is so much more polished than in the A310
trail monolith
Plan is to deliver one for Thai, UPS, FedEx and American
*How about flying instead 😉 *
hollow oracle
the 737 classic is a lot more stubborn with VNAV than i expected
i manually inputted some altitude targets, and the VNAV descent path just ignores them
i believe that's realistic though, i remember there being some quirk with the VNAV calculations in the 737 classics that made it unreliable if conditions changed
rustic charm
*How about flying instead 😉 *
Flying
PWs sound nice
Ngl
As expected, it feels really close to the 310
But more polished
I just wish ini pushed a few updates to the A310 after this released
PWs for that plane, the better EFB
Now it's 2:37am so time to sleep
Hopefully I don't get woken up by "TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP"
hollow oracle
i dont know how people trust their flight sim to not crash overnight
rustic charm
Tbf, not had it crash on any overnights yet
I did have issues leaving flights occasionally
Like sometimes I've had the weather misbehave and cause the AP to just disconnect
I think 2-3 times that happened when I left a flight to just cruise by itself
trail monolith
Hopefully I don't get woken up by "TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP"
Nah you will wake up with the plane grounded :P
rustic charm
But I've only had actual game crashes in PMDG planes while going through the FMC
And of course with the 727 on loading, it does it sometimes. But that doesn't really count since it's a crash on loading
I think with the F28 a couple times too?
So as long as MSFS doesn't get bitchy with weather, should be fine
So hopefully tomorrow I'll land in Don Mueang
And after that I can do hops in this between Don Mueang and Kai Tak
Really want to get an MD-11 back to Thai as well, but the only livery available for now is HS-TME, which I won't fly for obvious reasons
hollow oracle
the VNAV in older aircraft is definitely just a suggestion
sure, i'll just go from FL219 to 8000ft and then back up to 14000ft
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Oops, 2am shows. Forgot to initialise the weights
reef isle
hollow oracle
im very angry
i floated and had to do a go around, and then i went to try again and i landed extremely hard
i dont understand how you land the 737-300
my approach speed was 150kts, with like a 14kt headwind, and no matter the throttle setting i was either overpowered or underpowered
i guess the winds were 17kts gusting 26, but i dont think it was gusting winds
hollow oracle
hm, i had an extremely wrong understanding of how landing an aircraft works apparently
hollow oracle
it also turns out that the 737 classics are much less forgiving with approach speeds
even just being 5kts over where you should be is not good
hollow oracle
time to run some laps to practice landing
this is what i did with the MD-11, and i ended up nailing landings so perfectly that I could land the MD-11 in my sleep
oh yeah, that 5kts made a massive difference, i landed no problem at 145, but at 150 it was bad
rustic charm
This went well
The plane just randomly decided to shut both engines down, and subsequently all of the systems
Flight controls are off
reef isle
Rip 🙁
rustic charm
If I manage to achieve at least 1 operational engine I'll try to take it to Pathein
If not, probably the best option is to ditch it somewhere on the coast
reef isle
Good luck, we're all counting on you
rustic charm
Welp, tried to land in a random field near the coast
Thought it'd be better than ditching
But the gear gravity extension was bad
And I was too fast
Now there's just one question:
What the fuck happened
reef isle
Do you have fuel?
rustic charm
I was quite low on fuel, in fact I set emergency transponder a few minutes before that, but I still had 5 tons
That realistically would've been enough to reach Bangkok from where I was, considering I was burning around 4 tons per hour of cruise, and the burn would be even less on descent
reef isle
Was it maybe stored somewhere the engines could not access?
Maybe there was no cross feed?
Or you didn't turn on some fuel pumps?
rustic charm
All the pumps were on, and crossfeeds should be managed automatically
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Although that might be the problem, I think it was in the centre tank... which to be honest should've right away been a red flag for me because you should never fly with empty wings
The plane could've turned off the crossfeeds for a moment for whichever reason, and ended up cutting the fuel off. And obviously with all power gone, it couldn't turn the crossfeeds back on
reef isle
Yeah, whenever there's a double flameout something fuel related is the most likely
reef isle
The plane could've turned off the crossfeeds for a moment for whichever reason, ...
I guess you could have done a US1549 and turn on the APU
rustic charm
And that would also explain why neither a relight nor APU wanted to work
rustic charm
I guess you could have done a US1549 and turn on the APU
I tried
reef isle
Aaaah yeah right
rustic charm
As soon as I stabilised it in a glide
reef isle
Although it's interesting that it doesn't immediately transfer the fuel out of the center tank
rustic charm
Yeah
Most of the planes feed off the centre tank first until it's empty as well
At least when it comes to twinjets
For trijets, they feed all 3 engines off the centre tank until the fuel level is balanced out too
Now on another note, back when I just took off, I had a warning about the trim tank too
I just turned the trim tank pumps off and on again and it seemed to work
But that was the first sign of something not being right
Welp, time to look at the lists of who had A306s in Europe
Cause I do want to get one
But I don't have 11 more hours in me
God I hope the A3B4 releases this year
reef isle
Monarch and Lufthansa immediately spring to mind
rustic charm
Monarch is what I thought of
Lufthansa is of course nice, but I don't really like how these look in their livery
Idk, it looks too modern
More so a livery for an A330 than an A300
reef isle
reef isle
Yeah, I guess it lasted a very short amount of time
rustic charm
Monarch was based in Manchester, right?
reef isle
I believe so yes
but finding where they flew is a nightmare because they were mostly charter
I guess you could just do MAN to whenever they got photographed and chances are it's probably right
but sketchy
Destinations are always the usual suspects, southern spain, portugal, ibiza, madeira and greece
rustic charm
Well, flightsim dispatch does have some info
reef isle
Ah yes
rustic charm
Spain, Tenerife, Cyprus
Gibraltar
I struggle to believe that an A306 to Gibraltar is real
Even off to Goa in India
Also looks like some military personell transport contracts as well
rustic charm
Well, a 757 is much more of a rocket ship than an A300
reef isle
yeah but still
rustic charm
Manchester - Bahrain - Goa sounds kinda cool
Some flights to Italy, but unfortunately I don't see Milan in the list
reef isle
so incredibly annoying that I can't find any reference about an A300 landing there
I think it's plausible, I even found some people saying that the A300 would from time to time replace a 757 if it was down for maintenance on other routes
but nothing specifically for Gibraltar
rustic charm
so incredibly annoying that I can't find any reference about an A300 landing the...
Yeah, same
Tbh an A300 replacing a 757 is realistic
Ngl though, I really liked the A300 on that flight. Even if it ended badly
reef isle
nice ❤️
rustic charm
Not gonna be a priority likely, but I might need to eventually buy some A300/A310 custom throttle levers
Also I wonder if it's even remotely possible to improve the A310 with the A300 stuff. Like, make the A310 have the same EFB at least
Probably a looooot of coding
Not even talking about trying to put PWs on the 310. That would be nice...
Any idea which payware Manchester is the best to buy?
rustic charm
Yeah, probably
tired pond
Any idea which payware Manchester is the best to buy?
Would be ini really
rustic charm
But ini's 24-only isn't it?
dusty sky
The plane just randomly decided to shut both engines down, and subsequently all ...
So
This might sound crazy
But
That's a glitch with the plane
rustic charm
It could be, yeah
dusty sky
It is
This has happened to me way too much in the A310
Once in the US
One at landing in Bucharest
rustic charm
Well then, there's our explanation
dusty sky
Once randomly in Syria
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Would be quite good to find what causes it though
I'll be honest, it did feel more like a glitch than actually running out of fuel
dusty sky
It happened to me when I was pushing the hotas USB in place
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No couple seconds of engine rollback, and generally after losing engines you'd still have a few seconds before the power cuts. Plus in case of a power cut like that, the RAT should extend automatically.
In this case it just suddenly went black
And the RAT didn't deploy, I had to manually enable it. Which is the whole reason why the plane lost control in the first place and flipped over.
dusty sky
Did Taron ever fly anywhere outside Europe?
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Had the RAT been deployed automatically, the flight controls would've still functioned
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Did Taron ever fly anywhere outside Europe?
Well let me see what flightsim dispatch says
dusty sky
Only planes we ever had to go to say Asia were the A310 and DC-10
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Bucharest - Bruges - Halifax flights in 707s
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Bucharest - Larnaca - Dubai in 310s, Bucharest - Larnaca - Abu Dhabi in 737-300s
Bucharest - Larnaca - Kuwait in 733s as well
Cluj to Hurghada in 738s
Bucharest to Port Louis (Mauritius) in 310s
Bucharest to JFK in 310s
Seems like quite a few
dusty sky
Wait what we flew A310's to the US?
rustic charm
Yeah
full plank
legit, was expecting a ping from Boris saying it was compatible but the general chat on his discord went mental
rustic charm
Gotta get the Boris SP myself, heard it's really nice
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He's only made the 737 and 777 out of airliners, right?
tired pond
crj too
wide zenith
I imagine for a lot of ppl the echo 19 soundset is good enough, but I had the bias of comparison to using the boris pack in 2020 and the boris still sounds better to me
especially the takeoff sounds its so nice
the echo19 one lacks a bit of bass
rustic charm
Looking at various small airports in Canada and there was so much 737-200 traffic... at this point I'm probably gonna have to buy a different sim just to be able to fly the 732
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Honestly my only hope is that FSS changes their mind and does the 737-100/200 now (they said they don't have any major additions to the 727 left)
After all they did initially say that 727-200 is it, no 727-100. And now we have a 727-100 as well. So maybe a 737-200 will happen in the end.
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Well this seems like a good idea
Just under 15 hours total scheduled time
Just over 10 hours in the air by schedule
hollow oracle
why are the gusty winds in XP12 so insane
no gusts, i can land no issue, with gusts is like even the aircraft cant stabilize itself
260/14G26 on a runway facing 268 degrees
hollow oracle
any tips?
this time around i took manual control of the throttles very, very early, so i could ease out the aircraft trying to react to the wind gusts changing the indicated airspeed, which seemed to work nicer
before the aircraft would react to the gusts and really push the throttles, which would make me float because I wasn't expecting it and reacting with proper pitch
adding a little bit of throttle and taking away a little bit of throttle at a time to keep the glideslope centered seemed to work really well
reef isle
no, that looked as good as it can get when using a controller IMO, if you were using a stick maybe I would have said that some pitch correction felt a little excessive to me, but yeah, that was good 🙂
I also don't like the Autothrottle and manual flight combo for the exact reason you stated above, for a few months (if not years) now I only use autothrottle in manual flight only if I expect little power changes and/or if they don't really matter
and I can find some confort in knowing that at least Lufthansa agrees with me
hollow oracle
no, that looked as good as it can get when using a controller IMO, if you were u...
really? people in the XP discord said it was a 5/10, which i don't entirely disagree with
that hard sink at the end right above the runway was quite bad, but i feel like in gusty conditions that isnt a massive dealbreaker
i was also told that flaps 40 is sometimes better, because it's a slower approach speed, you have more time to correct for the distance
yeah, no, flaps 40 was not it, a big gust came along and kept me up in the air and the flaps caught it and added lift
i really can't wrap my head around it
identical issue on the second attempt
it's like i sink, i correct with pitch and throttle, i gain altitude and float, and by that point im 10s of ft over the glideslope
hollow oracle
trail monolith
hollow oracle
I give up, I tried 5 times and didn’t land a single time
reef isle
really? people in the XP discord said it was a 5/10, which i don't entirely disa...
That's what I meant by excessive inputs, but with a controller I don't think you could have done any better
I don't think I could at least
Also you kept it within 1000ft/m so for me it's ok
reef isle
At 0:14 is simply too much of nose down elevator input, about half of that and maybe a tiny power reduction would have given better results I think
Looks to me like you're overcorrecting for ground effect
But again I don't know if you can do more precise inputs with a controller
rustic charm
any tips?
My simple advice - stop caring about what people think. As long as you're on the runway and the landing gear didn't break - the landing is good enough. It's a 737 classic. It's not meant to be smooth as butter. Letting people judge will only just wipe any confidence you have, and that's much worse than any rough landing.
When flying an airliner you don't have the luxury of space. When you're in a C172, you can try to make every landing as smooth as possible and you'll still be within the runway. When you're in an airliner, sometimes you manage to land smoothly - that's good. Sometimes you can't - that's also good. It's better to have a rough landing and park safely at the gate than get a smooth touchdown and end up in some ditch behind the runoff area.
reef isle
does this maybe help in some way? It's a very old flight but with similar gusty conditions, I had flaps 40, the replay is a little weird
No idea how the Xplane people would rate it, I don't particularly care
rustic charm
It's a -200, I'm gonna cry 😭
reef isle
this was my first attempt before going around and doing the approach in the video above
lost about 15kts on final and didn't have a high enough Vref additive
so had to do winshear escape and go around
dusty sky
reef isle
Yooo nice
rustic charm
Neat
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Gotta say, I've not done this in quite a while
reef isle
Now I'm keeping Xplane 11 exclusively for the 737s
Bit scummy that I have to buy it again, but it is what it is
rustic charm
Why can't we have such planes in MSFS
Why do all the sims get the interesting stuff meanwhile we get a 27th rendition of an A320
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reef isle
Why can't we have such planes in MSFS
It's split unfortunately
If you only had Xplane you'd have no F28/F70/F100, no Avro RJs and in the future a good 757 (I can't stand the xplane one), the L-1011 and hopefully if my man Mario Noriega is still working on it a Dassault Mercure
I got ghosted by Mario Noriega last time I sent him an e-mail so I Hope all is well with the Mercure 🙏
I might write him again soon
rustic charm
True
Hopefully we do manage to get some more stuff in MSFS
Some Soviet stuff hopefully
And a 737-200...
dusky leaf
Now I'm keeping Xplane 11 exclusively for the 737s
Any good? never heard of the designer before
rustic charm
Gonna be there myself in a week
Although flying in on an Ural A320
And right back into another 737
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reef isle
Any good? never heard of the designer before
The one in XP11 wasn't that good, good enough to be enjoyable, especially the cockpit interaction system is bad, but you don't really have a choice if you want to fly that stupid plane 🙂
hollow oracle
I got excited, for a second I thought it released finally
rustic charm
Dont love the price though
Well yokes are always crazy expensive
I've seen €1500+ pricetags
Of course that's for full-scale ones, not desk mounted. But still, always very expensive
Meanwhile a sidestick costs €50...
hollow oracle
That's what I meant by excessive inputs, but with a controller I don't think you...
i was going to go back to the zibo and try again, and then once i get it in the zibo, i was going to move back to the -300
the 737NGs are a bit more forgiving, and the -800 is a larger aircraft so it can handle gusts better
so if i can nail the NGs, i feel like i can re-approach the classics again
under 200ft AGL i really need to just stay hands off too, only minor corrections
trying to chase the PAPI and glideslope that close to the runway is bad too, which is what im doing
trim harbor
https://virpil-controls.eu/vector-flight-yoke-base.html
worlds first embraer joystick?
or
'embraer replica'
hollow oracle
am i going insane? i thought they just did the year in review thing?
FD1003 is going to kill me because volanta did their year in review thing before i corrected MD1F to MD11
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where are y'all seeing this
rustic charm
I got mine as a link in an email
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oh yeah
I don't check my email like at all
most flown plane is A320neo
I blame flight gear
would have been the A310 if I wasn't on flightgear as long as I was
chat am I cooked
rustic charm
Full thing for me
Top 4% of overall tracked by total time
Have I mentioned I have no life?
reef isle
Actually I wonder if my fuel burn for flight hour is hilarious given the planes I fly
reef isle
So, NGC got
1.2M/178 = 6741kg/h
/88000 = 13.63 kg/nm
Romanian Tree
1.4/232 = 6034kg/h
/93900 = 14.909kg/nm
NoOne
4.4/835 = 5269kg/h
/368800 = 11.93kg/nm
I got
934.7k/157 = 5953kg/h
/61500 = 15.19kg/nm
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rustic charm
Holy shit
wide zenith
Full thing for me
how to get?
rustic charm
I'm the most economical?
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how to get?
check email
reef isle
@rustic charm you beat me as most efficient
reef isle
I'm *the most economical*?
I guess long hauls do that. Even with a TriJet, the longer the flight, the more fuel efficient it will be
rustic charm
Over a quarter of that time was in MD11s, plus a ton of time on 727s as well... how
reef isle
I guess that skews the data mode than aircraft efficiency
rustic charm
I guess long hauls do that. Even with a TriJet, the longer the flight, the more ...
True
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and anyway how does volanta know the fuel we burnt
reef isle
and anyway how does volanta know the fuel we burnt
I mean I guess that'd be quite trivial to get from the sim
wide zenith
check email
not got mine yet :(
rustic charm
Although tbf I'm not flying too long there, getting an average of under 4 hours per flight
reef isle
When I'm back home I'll do a big Excel spreadsheet
And will try to look for patterns
I'm quite curious hahah
I love stuff like this
rustic charm
Yeah
reef isle
I know that the data won't be 100% correct
rustic charm
Tbh
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my flights look like this so I have a theory
rustic charm
It's a shame that I haven't used elevatex much
Because it not only gives you fuel used, but also fuel saved
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laps or flaps?
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in a 73?
hollow oracle
yeah
reef isle
I haven't really found any major differences between the NGs the Classic and the -200 when landing
Obviously the pitch and power settings are different
hollow oracle
i think i'm definitely just overcontrolling the aircraft when low to the ground
after a few tries in the zibo i think im ready to go back to the ixeg
i think it's kind of fundamentally that my brain thinks that aviation is surgical precision at all times, when it's really not, and when things arent going perfect, then its bad, there's no middle ground in my head
reef isle
Oh definitely not
hollow oracle
well, my first attempt back with the IXEG, i stalled and crashed after trying to do a go-around
i also realized that the fucked up way that IXEG does throttle control means that I was basically doing all of those approaches without any throttle control
the whole stupid ass ghost throttles thing
if you're coming out of autothrottle, it wants you to match your hardware throttles with the sim throttles before it gives you control again, which is fine when it's an axis but makes no sense when it's buttons
rustic charm
Welp, seemingly the Ottawa scenery I bought really dislikes performance...
As soon as the thing loaded in, I started getting constant stutters
hollow oracle
what's the difference with Vapp and Vref?
and what speed should I be at?
i see people saying that Vapp is Vref + 5 + gusts/wind, and that you should be at straight Vref at 1000ft
like, not even Vref + 5 at 1000ft, straight Vref that the aircraft gives you
in that video he's literally landing flaps 30 at 136kts
but he doesnt actually change to 136 until the 1000ft callout, up until then he's at 150
rustic charm
I'm pretty sure Vapp is the approach speed you should follow all the way down, Vref is the reference touchdown speed. So yeah, Vapp will be Vref + 5 + crosswind component + gusts. But I think you should really only switch to following Vref basically just before touchdown
hollow oracle
something else i really don't understand is that he's crossing the threshold at 100ft, which is way high, and he doesnt land until like 4000ft from the threshold
i don't know if it's him specifically, but it feels like a sloppy approach is normal?
like, he's getting glideslope callouts and full reds but he still continues
rustic charm
Let me just say, if someones does it that way - that's doesn't mean it is the way
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https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/98132-wonderful-kai-tak-jets-over-kowloon-a-lost-era/ @hollow oracle this might interest you
rustic charm
But at the same time, it isn't wrong either
hollow oracle
https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/98132-wonderful-kai-tak-jets-over-kowloon-...
i would rather castrate myself with red hot pliers than flying into kai tak
rustic charm
As far as I know, there is no rule specifically forcing a goaround if you get 4 reds or a GS callout
And I will say
dusty sky
WHAT
rustic charm
The best way to learn how you want to fly is to just sit in the sim, try again and again until you find something that works for you
All of the pilots have slightly different techniques for many things
So if you want to fly comfortably, just find your way
hollow oracle
The issue is that I can’t even get the approach down without floating or sinking
rustic charm
Well I can only recommend just doing tons and tons of practice flights to find the way you're comfortable landing the plane
Try some different ways. Maybe try going for a shallower touchdown, descending slightly lower initially and then keeping a shallower descent rate. Try going for a faster approach with less flaps. Or the opposite, flaps as far out as they'll go for a slow approach
hollow oracle
i think i cracked it, it just clicked
under 200ft, don't even look at the papi, dont even look at the glideslope, just aim at the touchdown zone, and fly the aircraft to it
i was also struggling with the flare, but i also found that i was taking the throttle away too early, and that makes you slow down fast, and when you slow down fast you have to flare higher, which makes you slow down even faster, so i was maxing out aileron up on some flares
waiting until like 20ft, and then slowly working the throttle down works significantly better than just slamming it off at 30ft
i'm going to do a few other approaches doing the same thing and see if i can replicate it
rustic charm
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You have something that worked for you. If it keeps working - great, you can stick with it and make it your technique
hollow oracle
that's actually the second time using that technique, and it came out as perfect as it could ever be
a little low, and a little stiff, but it was right on the money
that was also with calm winds, but i feel like i have a good, repeatable technique that I can use and adapt to gusty winds
hollow oracle
this is actually a perfect example of why I had issues, i'm at 200ft and still staring at the PAPI, and of course when you get within that 200ft it's going to read sensitive, if i just ignored that and aimed for the touchdown zone, i would have been fine
reef isle
rustic charm
Showing off the 737-200
rustic charm
I hope you at the very least didn't put the flight number as 593
Although Aeroflot did actually keep the flight number for years after that. I think it only changed once Kai Tak closed. And they did keep flying A310s in the same livery on that route
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uuuhhhh
it's not offensive I swear
and anyway, this plane is still around, just not with aeroflot obviously
and it's not the same route as the 593 that crashed
I don't remember 593 flying over kazakhstan
rustic charm
Yeah, it was going to overfly Mongolia instead, but it never left Russia
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this is the flightplan
tired pond
this is actually a perfect example of why I had issues, i'm at 200ft and still s...
Pretty much exactly that
rustic charm
Generally I think around 200-300ft you start aiming for the touchdown zone, and then when flaring and on the rollout you look at the end of the runway
rustic charm
Got the extended sim pack for TFDi and I gotta say, they really went all out with failures
Down to each individual flap/slat/spoiler/aileron/elevator being able to fail separately
hollow oracle
All for not even a couple of coffees
rustic charm
Yeah
I mean, the extended sim pack is $4.99
That's... idk, 1 coffee? Maybe less?
I've never been to a starbucks or anything similar so idk the prices
But for some reason I can imagine them charging $15-20 for one of the "large hot iced latte cappuccino avocado matcha with almond milk"
And yes that's my impression of what an average Starbucks order looks like XD
hollow oracle
I was going to say, I’ve seen Starbucks drinks that are more than $5
runic hare
That's... idk, 1 coffee? Maybe less?
Give or take
Venti Dubai matcha labubu latte
$6.99
rustic charm
Is that a real drink
rustic charm
Well it sounds believable lol
runic hare
Idk I don’t go to Starbucks
hollow oracle
i drink straight black coffee, so i do not like modern coffee shops
rustic charm
What's the best scenery for Geneva in MSFS
trim harbor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOXFp6Pa2p0
good for console players
dont forget that
wide zenith
What's the best scenery for Geneva in MSFS
jetstream
rustic charm
Thank
hollow oracle
good for console players
trail monolith
What's the best scenery for Geneva in MSFS
Geneva convention
rustic charm
*~~Geneva convention~~*
Never heard of it
trail monolith
Just fly a different path instead
trail monolith
Fair
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I had the approach chart but I was going the wrong way so it wasn't very useful
btw question, what airline has the callsign jelllyfish
now this is cap I know for sure
hollow oracle
i've stopped judging landings by fpm, it's not a great measurement of the actual landing
1.08G at touchdown is very good
most apps average the fpm a few seconds before touchdown, so you could have a smooth touchdown but a steep approach, it's unreliable
rustic charm
I had the approach chart but I was going the wrong way so it wasn't very useful
I mean, you're not far off
This is an option
I much prefer this one though
You have an actual localizer with glideslope until the turn
rustic charm
In this one you instead rely on an outbound VOR course and a step descent, and have to be visual much earlier
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https://giphy.com/gifs/crash-desert-landing-22XYBV9qihyqk
Best part is that it's a smooth landing for me
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I much prefer this one though
This is the chart I was trying to follow
The IGS didn't really work for me though
rustic charm
Well you could've, just needed to leave LNAV-VNAV earlier, continue a bit further out over the water and turn around
About the IGS, I'm not sure why it would not function in the A310
I have only done Kai Tak in MD-11s
And on both my attempts the IGS wouldn't appear either
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Plus my graphics card is struggling at the minimum settings for the scenery so I only started seeing buildings basically right before getting over the city
rustic charm
Because the approach didn't have it in the database
rustic charm
So I needed to just go into the radio page and enter the frequency and course manually
But the A310 needs you to enter the frequency and courses for ILS manually anyway
So not too sure why it didn't work
rustic charm
Yeah, sometimes sceneries do that
Don't think I've seen it in Kai Tak?
But maybe I have, I just don't remember
Was a while ago that I flew into there
rustic charm
The last time was with a Thai MD-11, HS-TME, that was before I had to retire it...
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No what happened 😭
trim harbor
So I needed to just go into the radio page and enter the frequency and course ma...
thats what i did
in the a340
rustic charm
I think it's just Kai Tak approaches not being in databases
So on all the planes which automatically choose ILS frequencies, you need to go into the radnav page and set it manually
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Problem is the A310 has the ILS nobs
trim harbor
set it VOR-DME
tune the vor freq in
or ndb
if thats how it is n the a340 i dont think its too diff in the a310
rustic charm
No what happened 😭
Well HS-TME is N259UP, I couldn't continue flying it
Also the only old Thai livery available for the TFDi v2 is HS-TME...
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rustic charm
So I can't really get another MD-11 in the old Thai livery now
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They're separate nobs though
rustic charm
I guess the person who did the livery just converted the one from v1 to v2, and didn't really bother to check what that reg is
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@reef isle we need you
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I guess the person who did the livery just converted the one from v1 to v2, and ...
Ah yeah the circuit breakers work on v2
rustic charm
Well obviously they're gonna work, otherwise the "extended simulation package" (I guess they didn't want to call it "failure package") wouldn't make sense
And they've made a loooot of failures
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We can finally do a united 232 situation
rustic charm
And they've made *a loooot* of failures
For anyone who's considering it, here's a full list:
trail monolith
!!! I suppose means how complex/important they are
rustic charm
Yeah
1 exclamation mark is marked as "Nuisance", 2 is "Substantial", 3 is "Catastrophic"
rustic charm
Yeah
$5 for the 2024 upgrade
$4.99 for the failures
Idk why one is $4.99 and the other is $5 full
reef isle
Not sure what the problem is exactly but yeah liveries for the previous version won't work
rustic charm
Well it's a different model
reef isle
Some textures are slightly different and might look a little weird, but the tail for example is totally different
rustic charm
I knew they wouldn't work, thankfully a bunch were available for the new one right on release
Didn't have to wait for the likes of UPS or FedEx
trim harbor
where do u buy the upgrade
reef isle
Old Martinair is another casualty unfortunately
rustic charm
Or even my precious Aeroflot Cargo which for some reason looks much better than it has any right to do on MD-11s
rustic charm
where do u buy the upgrade
TFDi website -> Client area -> click on your initial MD-11 order
rustic charm
Below
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its not under additional information either
rustic charm
trim harbor
rustic charm
You should already have it
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oh
rustic charm
I'm pretty sure collectors had both the extended sim, the v2 and the 2024 compatibility for a while now
Maybe not the extended sim
But the v2 for sure, and the 2024 compatibility I'm pretty sure too?
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I didnt even inow
rustic charm
Lucky you
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Lmao
rustic charm
Even though McDonalds Douglas built like... 5 of them in total?
trim harbor
I have never flown the md11 in msfs I dont think
rustic charm
I think it's 5
rustic charm
Well with the collectors edition you got pre-release as well
So it's not even the release version
trim harbor
Thats the one I flew probs
rustic charm
I only got the thing in September lol
And since then I had 0 problems at all
Oh btw
In 2024 there's currently an issue with WASM crashes
I think it's some random page in the MCDU does that
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I didnt even inow
This is news to me as well
rustic charm
In 2020 it's all fine I think
rustic charm
I knew from the beginning the collectors had the ER, and that's in fact the reason why I stayed away from buying the plane for a while
"How dare TFDi not give me this version that McDonalds Douglas only produced 5 of, just because I didn't buy it early enough?!?!?!?!"
rustic charm
Btw, just loaded into Kai Tak, don't see any floating lights
rustic charm
What airline even had them?
Now take this with a grain of salt cause this is just from memory, but 3 of the 5 were delivered to Garuda Indonesia. I'm pretty sure at least 1 of those 3 later went to Varig as a freighter?
All 5 ended up freighters, but with the MD-11s it's not surprising
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World airways had 2
Garuda had 3
And I'm gonna pull one out my ass and say American had one cuz why not
.
rustic charm
I've seen mentions that Aeroflot Cargo took one of the ERs later in their life, but I couldn't find any concrete proof of that because all their 3, VP-BDP, -BDQ and -BDR (I think the third one's -BDR?) were standard
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Ok so one apparently got in the hands of Finnair?
And it was converted to a regular md11
rustic charm
And I'm gonna pull one out my ass and say American had one cuz why not
Don't think they did
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Don't think they did
That's why I pulled it out my ass
rustic charm
Fair
rustic charm
Ok so one apparently got in the hands of Finnair?
Quite possibly
Most likely as a freighter though
I think the 3 that went to Garuda got converted to freighters immediately after leaving Garuda
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I think they went all over the place
rustic charm
Also tbh the whole "ER" thing is just 200-ish miles of additional range
And that's for passenger ones
Freighters are loaded much more heavily, so those 200 miles become even less for them
rustic charm
I think they went all over the place
That's what happened with all of the MD-11s tbf
rustic charm
Like, for example Garuda took a fair few MD-11s. Then they didn't want them anymore as they kinda sucked as a passenger plane and Garuda isn't big in the freight market. VARIG took many of those and converted to freighters. VARIG also took the whole fleet of VASP which also had MD-11s. Then VARIG went under, someone else got those MD-11s. And they just got passed from one company to another
Like
My most-flown MD-11
VP-BDP
Was delivered I'm pretty sure to Garuda
Then passed to VARIG
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Im late af
rustic charm
Then got taken by Aeroflot
Funnily enough Aeroflot didn't really plan to get many McDonalds planes and didn't have any facilities for them, so all the maintenance was done by Finnair in Helsinki, and all the training was done by Finnair pilots over in Finland too
Back when Aeroflot could even show up in Finland...
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Funnily enough Aeroflot didn't really plan to get many McDonalds planes and didn...
I don't remember Mickey d's making planes
rustic charm
Well McDonalds merged with Douglas Aircraft Company in year 19-something to form McDonalds Douglas
rustic charm
Or with Alitalia sauce if you prefer
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rustic charm
Welp I just took off in the A310 to try to do the IGS approach, but now I'm realising I don't actually know how to fly it by VORs
I know how to use ILS cause it's readily available there, but I don't actually know how to manually input VORs lol
rustic charm
No no
The other way around
New
In old stuff it's easy
You've got your VOR dials on the central panel
Easy
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In newer stuff you need to find some page in the MCDU to activate them and so on so on
rustic charm
They're dead for me
That's the thing, in the A310 it's most certainly done through the MCDU in some way
I just don't know how
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In newer stuff you need to find some page in the MCDU to activate them and so on...
Lemme tell you about a little thing called, google
rustic charm
Boring
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It's pretty insane of me I know
trim harbor
I knew from the beginning the collectors had the ER, and that's in fact the reas...
meh i dont think its a big deal
its a very very niche thing like u said b4
rustic charm
Yeah
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most people probably dont care
rustic charm
That's why I ended up buying it in the end
Like, not only were only 5 built, but it offered barely anything
I honestly can't think of any routes that I'm not going to be able to fly with a standard that an ER could do
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I mean, 200nm is like nothing to a long haul airliner
Yeah with 6000 NM range it's nothing
Granted the 747-400ER isn't much better
trim harbor
swissair BASED
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I want a 747-300 just for the Swissair livery
rustic charm
Well we should hopefully get one
rustic charm
SimBrief routing moment
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Flying
With no available VNAV and manual pressurisation but who even cares
And no, I didn't have a failure. Turns out I didn't even need to buy the extended sim pack for failures because I am myself a failure
I accidentally clicked the button to import the flight plan after filling everything in, which reset the init page. I only noticed after takeoff, and by that point I couldn't input the cruise levels. Which expectedly confused the VNAV, because it doesn't know which altitudes it needs. But it also seemingly confused the pressurisation lol
reef isle
dealing with these mistakes only makes you a better fake pilot 💪
reef isle
hahah I know, I sometimes like to use these ugly words just to remind myself to not think too highly of this stuff 😆
rustic charm
Well tbf this stuff does take certain skill
And while this does not mean we can cut it in the cockpit of a real airliner thanks to just MSFS, that'd be a very bold claim, but I am honestly quite certain that this degree of simulation would be a strong base for any GA adventures
At least if you have, unlike me, tried something similar to GA
Cause I'd be useless in a prop plane. My only sim time in terms of that comes from very limited involvement with a DC-6, and that never quite ended good lol
dusky leaf
Planning an Alaskan flightsim adventure to coincide with this years Iditerod. Plan is to pick a musher and follow their progress. Every time they drop a dog I pick them up and fly them to the nearest hub ( Anchorage, Mcgrath, Unalakleet and Nome) Planning on taking a C206, but that may change.
By the time Im done I should have flown the whole route
rustic charm
Oh come on...
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Flying
No more flight
It looks like my computer just restarted in the middle of the night
Cause I wake up, and MSFS is closed, Volanta is closed, Steam's not running either
Probably one of the idiotic updates that for whichever reason you're not allowed to just skip
First my phone made me update to the new ios which honestly looks terrible, now my computer decides to just close everything and update 🥲
Welp, time to quickly restart and let it fly while I go on about my day
rustic charm
And I'm back up
trail monolith
First my phone made me update to the new ios which honestly looks terrible, now ...
You do realize it's optional
I'm still on 25
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first time after owning it for 3 years l o l
trail monolith
Damn
rustic charm
And it was good enough for me
trail monolith
Fair
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how could i forget
trail monolith
Afaik IOS 26 drains your battery hard
rustic charm
The phone I'm on right now is ios 18.6
trail monolith
Which phone?
rustic charm
Uhh, I think this is a 15 pro
My other one is a 13 regular
And I think the OS on that one was an even older version
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if i wasnt stuck on
rustic charm
Also very weird, but that's MD for you
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good to know that tfdi thought about implenting characters into their efb 
rustic charm
The EFB is quite nice
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That's too high tbh
Even for an MD-11
Unless Vr is the same at 188, that could probably happen. Even though I think when I was fully loaded (and I mean that, I was literally at MTOW) out of Anchorage it was less
trim harbor
Unless Vr is the same at 188, that could probably happen. Even though I think wh...
im fully loaded for a 12 hour flight
rustic charm
Well I figured, but again, when I did Anchorage - Kai Tak, I was at MTOW (620k lbs), and even then it was not that bad
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Don't remember the exact numbers for me but the load was indicated as 99%
That was one fun flight ngl
A very heavy takeoff and a landing in Kai Tak
I think Delta flee MD-11s there, I gotta do that at some point
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rustic charm
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Just about to be back into the night
reef isle
rustic charm
About to have my final step up, and in under 3 hours I will land in Geneva
reef isle
this has definitely been the closest I've been to actual crash in a flight simulator in ages, touched down there
this thing flares totally differently in 12
rustic charm
this has definitely been the closest I've been to actual crash in a flight simul...
I'm no expert but I think that's a bit too far down the runway for a touchdown
reef isle
I'm no expert but I think that's a bit too far down the runway for a touchdown
The runway in Hawarden is tiny
so it's not as bad as it looks
still not good
hollow oracle
this thing flares totally differently in 12
wait, it still works in XP12?
reef isle
wait, it still works in XP12?
yeah
not very well I don't think
but I don't know much much of it is my fault
hollow oracle
hm, i'll have to give it a shot
reef isle
I'm sure that Liverpool airport wasn't at all bothered by my self vectoring
hollow oracle
no winglets, with vortex generators, i have no idea what aircraft that would be
the last i saw, the penguins fly iAero, which obviously went belly-up
rustic charm
Just about to be back into the night
And we're done
hollow oracle
https://fixvx.com/penguins/status/2013289701650608455?s=20
bingo, delta 757
DAL8954, KPIT-KBFI, N661DN
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How did I know
I mean
It's just that and the 767 with both of those right?
If the 76 even had vortex generators
rustic charm
come on man
Idk, feels alright to me XD
hollow oracle
havent booted up p3d in a hot minute
still havent gotten activesky yet either
activesky would definitely make P3D a lot more of a viable sim, but the default airports are still so bad
trim harbor
holy fuck
i almost ate the earths ass
ngl i see why
flyign the md11 like a tomcat
based
hollow oracle
delter
i've actually never flown delta
i've flown american, united, southwest, and spirit
and technically skywest, but through united connection
and republic too, but also through american eagle
hollow oracle
i've found out why this happened
that controls time, fwd moves time forward and bwd moves time backwards
doesn't effect simrate or anything, just the in-game time
hollow oracle
rustic charm
i've flown american, united, southwest, and spirit
That's not bad
I can't even remember all the airlines I've flown on
hollow oracle
It’s funny, because I’ve probably flown southwest between KPIT-KMCO 4-5 times in my life
We used to go to Disney like every other year before Covid, and it was always southwest
I know for a fact that I flew on a Max 8 on the last trip before Covid hit, and I almost definitely flew on a 737 classic before they were retired too, but I was so young and not into aviation so I can’t say for certain
Somewhere in my room I have this plushie of a southwest 737 in the old canyon blue livery that I probably got when I was single digits old
runic hare
i've flown american, united, southwest, and spirit
Yeah but in the states you don’t really have that much