Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[runic hare]

https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/339414-flytech-studio-b727-200/#findComment-2974571

https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/300917-tupolev-tu-144s-sst-for-x-plane/?&page=4#findComment-2974722

wonder if either of these will be finished

[dusky leaf]

There is also an AN2 being worked on. Loved the old red eyes one before they abandoned it

Looks fairly early in dev though

[trim harbor]

china man

[rustic charm]

I think that's the straightest, the most direct routing in Chinese airspace I've ever seen

[trim harbor]

well it leaves chinese airspace

[dusty sky]

Bro what

That's worse than that one route I had from JFK to new Orleans

[trim harbor]

the fenix might be borked for me

input lag like crazy

only on approach though

[hollow oracle]

sounds about right for the fenix

good performance is not one of the features

[trim harbor]

thank god for autoland (again)

[rustic charm]

Weird, I've not had any problems with it yet

[trim harbor]

meh its fine

[hollow oracle]

the simbrief profile for the CRJs has to be wrong, because it gave me FL370 for this flight, and im barely going to hit that before TOD

im stopping at 30,000 because im losing speed rapidly

[hollow oracle]

im in that weird mood, where i want to do a flight, but i don't have the attention span today to sit down and do that for a few hours

i had some caffiene, so hopefully thatll wake me up enough to lock in

[trim harbor]

Takeoff n zzz for an hour

Ez fix

[hollow oracle]

id 100% sleep through it

oh wtf, i remembered that DCS has the free trial system, and i was 100% going to trial the C-130 before i got that big boost of money to see if it would be worth buying, but they dont put new releases on the free trial system

[trim harbor]

Takes 6 months-1 year

[hollow oracle]

[trail monolith]

Watch youtube?

Go and take a walk

Shower?

Exercise?

Work?

[hollow oracle]

touch grass and shower? id rather die

[dusty sky]

Ok can someone explain to me why my joystick and rudder pedals keep disconnecting if I move them a micrometer

[hollow oracle]

skill issue probably

[dusty sky]

Haha

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524847485487939585/805737231750266880/512E5043-E63D-44D2-A732-A863F6ACD59D.gif

[runic hare]

2026 is looking good for xp

Toliss/FF A350, FF787 (maybe), FF77L/77W/773, SCL ATR, Hotstart A220 (maybe), AFL 737Max, Potentially the nxgen scenery

[trim harbor]

something is up

with the mf a350

third longhaul in a row

where it happens

i dont get it

[dusty sky]

Inibuilds is at it again

[trail monolith]

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1997939512270303515?s=46

NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

🔥 The crew ejected straight into hell

The crew of a Russian bomber self-destructed: the war criminals had to be scraped off the ceiling.

On the aircraft parked in a shelter, the ejection system suddenly activated.

As a result of this inglorious final flight, the pilot and

X · Dec 8, 2025, 8:01 AM

[rustic charm]

It's bit cold in Halifax

[trail monolith]

https://www.flightsimulator.com/sim-update-4-msfs-2024/

[trail monolith]

Unlocked “Cargo Transport – Heavy” and “Cargo Transport – Super Heavy” career specializations

Finally

[trim harbor]

time to try again

[dusty sky]

I smell peak

[trim harbor]

if i have to autoland this junk again i will actually kill myself

[dusty sky]

Cool

Very nice

Question

What's the actual procedure to autoland the A310?

Cuz I just press every autoland button

[trim harbor]

LS and APPR button probably

and autoland

ig

[rustic charm]

My second 727 transatlantic flight done

5:13

Mach .80 the whole way

[hollow oracle]

im curious if the DCS C-130J is going to stay on sale through christmas, or if theyre going to end the release sale or whatever and then it's not going to go on sale for a while

im definitely interested in buying it for $60, i am not interesting in buying it at $80

[hollow oracle]

i havent flown the A306 in a very, very, very long time

kind of an oddball aircraft

[hollow oracle]

why is it commanding a -6000fpm descent

well, that was fun while it lasted

[trail monolith]

https://youtu.be/GUAEkXQqrcI?si=InyaoKGe-UF-_FYf

[hollow oracle]

Boob supersonic

[rustic charm]

Well if you're going fast and start descending in nav, it'll put you into a steep rate

Every plane does that I'm pretty sure

That's the reason why I don't use VNAV for descent

[reef isle]

Time to go back to Tokyo

[trim harbor]

: )

[dusty sky]

:)

[reef isle]

So gorgeous ❤️

JAS deciding to pretty much use the Airbus house livery as their own, and Boeing/McD not being cool with it accidentally created the most gorgeous liveries in aviation history

the reflection on the wing

I am a literal child

sorry

[trim harbor]

@reef isle dont forget to set ur flight in volanmta

[reef isle]

hahahah thank you

[trim harbor]

hopefully

i will survive this flight

have to delay takeoff because oil temp isnt good

[reef isle]

I even managed to find ATC on vatsim for landing ❤️

[rustic charm]

The plane be like

🙂

🙂

[trim harbor]

all the planes are happy today

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Are there any other smiling liveries actually

[rustic charm]

Well that's a one-off

[rustic charm]

I meant more so the ones that are standard

[trim harbor]

oh

nope

i dont think so

[rustic charm]

With PSA every plane was happy XD

[trim harbor]

i really really hate tokyos' approach

it's so damn long

[rustic charm]

Btw back to when you said I'm pushing the 727 to the limits, apparently JAT had 727s scheduled on flights from Novosibirsk to Belgrade, around 5:30 XD

[trim harbor]

bruh

i just got msfs'd

loool

thats funny

i didnt even know the trees had collisions

[dusty sky]

10/10

[rustic charm]

Jugoslovenski Aerotransport can't be any less than 10/10

Wish their order for MD-11 actually happened, flying a JAT MD-11 would've been soooo cool

JAT would've been the MD-11 launch customer in fact

[rustic charm]

And we're on the ground in Yugoslavia

[dusty sky]

@reef isle you have xp12 right?

Sorry for ping btw

[reef isle]

no 🙁

only 11

sorry

(don't mind pings no worries)

[dusty sky]

😐

Well fuck

I wanted to ask if there's an option for a CIVA on the xp12 720

Because I see that on the site and it's not there in xp11

[reef isle]

Have you bought the CIVA addon?

[dusty sky]

You need that for the option?

Bruh

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/82586-boeing-720720b-xp12xp11/

Look at the second image

[runic hare]

the XP11 version is older

V3.0.0 in 11 and V4.4.0 in 12

[echo gorge]

A genuine miracle

[hollow oracle]

P3D not having a default live weather system is the biggest downside of the entire simulator

im looking at getting activesky soon hopefully

im really hesitant on it though, i've played around with the free 30 day trial of FSrealWX, and it was so unbelivably foggy all of the time even on a clear day, it was unbearable, and im not sure if activesky is any better

and of course, there's always the issue of a live service niche product like that shutting down their servers and the entire app becomes a brick, like P3DWX

the default airports can be ugly and sometimes incomplete, but that is nothing compared to not having live weather, that really sucks everything out of the simulator

[hollow oracle]

i also found out that the dome light makes the cockpit look properly bright during the day, its way too dark by default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qhv28GHKqQ

without the dome light its very dark

[hollow oracle]

?????

for some reason i got the milk run acchievement in volanta from flying from melbourne to sydney

[runic hare]

yeah thats the milk run

[hollow oracle]

The milk run is a single leg flight in Australia?

What the fuck, it is

Why is it called the milk run if it is literally not a milk run

[runic hare]

Its the OG milk run

Used to do Sydney, Canberra, Albury, Melbourne

with like 20 flights a day

in the 30's

its the 5th busiest Route in the world today

but it was the first route to be called the "Milk run" because they used to take DC2's and DC3's, fill them with milk from farms in South Australia and take them to Canberra and Sydney

trains were too slow and the weather was too hot to transport milk in a decent state

so they used planes

does make me laugh because despite the fact it isn't actually a milk run anymore when you say "the milk run" your referring to SYD-MEL

[hollow oracle]

Huh, TIL

[full plank]

I use Active Sky P3D for all my flying & I’ve never had any issues with it

[hollow oracle]

What’s the visibility like on clear days?

[full plank]

Clear, loads exactly as it should & gives you the metar for the chosen airport (if you uploaded the fp) or the nearest station

[hollow oracle]

This is what it was like with FSrealWX in clear conditions, 10SM reported in all weather stations nearby

[full plank]

I’ll see if I can find a screenshot of mine that shows clear conditions otherwise i’ll just spawn in & load AS

I used to swear high & mighty to P3DWX but when it gave me weather from the week before I figured nah & got AS

[dusty sky]

Pencil

I'd write with it

ANA branded pencil

[rustic charm]

Airline-branded stuff is cool

[dusty sky]

I wanna go on a Ryanair flight and take the soap dispenser from the lavetory

[trim harbor]

just steal safety cards

i have an entire stack of them 💀

dont steal the one in ur seat pocket tho

steal ur neighbors

[rustic charm]

Nobody's stealing

Just borrowing

[trim harbor]

very true

[trail monolith]

Just borrowing an undecided amount of time

[rustic charm]

Yep

The return date is not yet agreed upon

[dusty sky]

[dusty sky]

Sun express?

[runic hare]

Jet2

[dusty sky]

Hm

[rustic charm]

Jet2 Holidays livery, yep

[reef isle]

I've still found a free thingy that adds live weather

I don't know how good it is, but as long as the altimeter and temperature is good I can fly on VATSIM, and so far that has been good enough

Oh looks like you didn't like it

FSrealWX

[hollow oracle]

yeah, its not great

it's built for FSX and older versions of P3D, i dont think it injects properly into v5

[reef isle]

I want to fly with Chair

Just because the hilariously genius name

Hopefully I'll find some time tomorrow

I really wish they'd find a way to integrate an actual chair into their livery somehow

[hollow oracle]

there's apparently a version of P3DWX that has been updated to use NOAA servers, but it seems to have the same issue as FSrealWX

it feels like the app(s) get the METAR, and it says 10SM/CAVOK/9999, and it sets exactly that in-sim, even though its most likely higher than that

i flew into detroit with FSrealWX, and i couldnt see the runway threshold until exactly 10 miles out, which is obviously not great

[runic hare]

thats quite funny

[hollow oracle]

there's a setting where you can change what the app sets the visibility to when its reported clear, but it only goes up to like 30sm or something, its not great

[dusty sky]

What does CAVOK mean anyway?

[hollow oracle]

conditions and visibility okay

[runic hare]

*Ceiling

[hollow oracle]

or clouds

[runic hare]

ceiling

refers to the fact that there is no low lying clouds below 5000

[reef isle]

https://flightsim.to/file/101176/inibuilds-a330-eurofly-alitalia-group

@rustic charm IIRC you were interested when I showed I was working on it?

[dusty sky]

What's the difference between the 2001-2003 and 1994-1996 Alitalia livery?

[reef isle]

I assume you mean on the MD-11?

1. No Logos near the doors
2. Black part and how it interacts with the green line is different

[dusty sky]

Why would they change that bro 😭

😐

[reef isle]

need to find stuff

[dusty sky]

[reef isle]

If you think that's stupid

may I present you

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/33045/ei-hhj-ita-airways-airbus-a220-300-bd-500-1a11_PlanespottersNet_1792280_9a63416b89_o.jpg

A220 with squished logo

JUST 2 of them are like this

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/35753/ei-hho-ita-airways-airbus-a220-300-bd-500-1a11_PlanespottersNet_1605812_1d88124c47_o.jpg

(this is the "normal" one)

if you look at Alitalia and Ita's history it's full of stupid stuff like this

I think for example some of our A320 NEOs got a slightly different racoon mask

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/41167/ei-ina-ita-airways-airbus-a320-272n_PlanespottersNet_1743457_ef9f9b81ae_o.jpg

https://cdn.plnspttrs.net/22555/ei-hoe-ita-airways-airbus-a320-272n_PlanespottersNet_1810784_dea90098fc_o.jpg

"normal" one for reference

Me and a friend of mine that helps me with liveries come across this stuff all the time when it comes to Alitalia/ITA and other italian carriers

It's probably caused by the fact they paint them in Naples, you don't know want to know what's going on down there /s

[hollow oracle]

P3D is the best because so many developers have moved on and given up their products for free, the IFE C-2 is so much fun, AND there are great aircraft carriers for it to use

i am not a fan of fighter jets, but the C-2 is really, really fun

the E-2 is alright i guess, i like the nose design better but AWACS is kind of boring

i wish there was a better system to actually spawn on the carrier, but slewing it on works i guess

[rustic charm]

Oh that's nice

Might get a bit more use out of 330s then

[rustic charm]

So I was departing Khabarovsk just now, and BATC cleared an Aeroflot 777 to land while I was still taxiing on the runway

That was fun

[runic hare]

Too many smoke breaks

[rustic charm]

At least yours have a mask, Aeroflot decided to just not do it at all on their few neos

[trim harbor]

im sorry hot take

but that livery is ugly

[rustic charm]

Tbh that's not too hot of a take

I much much prefer the Alitalia livery tbh

[trim harbor]

all these modern liveries lost class

they look modern yes but thats about it

[rustic charm]

Ughhh flying in Russia and seeing charts reference metres and km/h... why can't we have anything Soviet...

Imagine a Tu-134

That would be lovely

I'm sure Aeroflot sent Il-62s to Petropavlovsk too

Someone broke my airport

Why do I keep having terrain issues

The funniest part is I've been there already. I've flown in with a 777, I've flown out with a 777. There were no issues

[trim harbor]

r u using 2024

[rustic charm]

Nope, that's 20

[trim harbor]

oh

because im having issues w terrain in 2024

[rustic charm]

So I'm thinking, what would a DC-9 delivery to Europe look like

They wouldn't have enough range to cross the Atlantic at once unlike 727s

[dusty sky]

That's kind of a given on a game that runs on cloud

[rustic charm]

I think terrain issues are just MSFS being MSFS tbh...

[trim harbor]

scenery isuses prob

i ran over a mega speedbump at osaka the other day

[dusty sky]

Is there any other freeware aircraft besides the level up 737 and 720

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/nyc3QKXhCz4?si=adexbGgp1XhfNA_h

FINALLY I managed to get a sequence to look good enough to make it into a video, there's still some "stuttering" from the camera, which is annoying. Default drone camera is stupid

[reef isle]

Yes, there's the Tu-154 and Tu-134

[dusty sky]

When I get the tfdi MD-11 in 7 million years I'm definitely gonna get your livery

[trim harbor]

damn sick

[dusty sky]

Beyond atc?

[rustic charm]

Yep

For now only the Fenix, the MD-80 and the ini 340 support it

[trim harbor]

Yup

[trim harbor]

Ini a350 too

[rustic charm]

Oh it does

That's nice

Time to test out the cpdlc if I can figure it out lol

[dusty sky]

It's in the fmc

Fcm com page

I know, shocking

Crazy thing is that vatsim doesn't actually have this technically 💀

[rustic charm]

I meant more so as in making the plane actually use it

I know how to use the FMC lol

But I also know that in flight sims it's never all that simple

[dusty sky]

FMC comm off on my 747-400 is very fun

[hollow oracle]

the nice thing about practicing carrier landings is that you don't have to worry about being smooth at all

accuracy is more important than landing rate

[rustic charm]

To be fair, commercial aviation is the same

You should prioritise accuracy

Otherwise you can easily run out of runway

[hollow oracle]

well, i mean, passengers complain, nobody is going to complain about a hard landing on an aircraft carrier unless if it literally breaks the plane or deck

believe it or not, i dont really struggle with the landing itself, but i do struggle with the approach and everything

i find circling to land to be very challenging, especially when it comes to getting an even turn that rolls out in line with the runway

managing flaps, altitude, speed, and the hook, is a LOT on those two turns too

[rustic charm]

I mean, to be honest I'm not surprised at all that landing on a carrier is challenging

Imagine Kai Tak except the runway is 2 times shorter and is also moving

Oh, and no navaids of course

[hollow oracle]

i have never overshot or undershot the runway, but i have been too high and went around

landing is honestly not that much different from an airliner, but getting the approach and everything perfect is what the challenge is

[hollow oracle]

the manual actually has a very, very similar land approach thing too, which would be a lot easier to train with, because the runway has a known heading and everything

[hollow oracle]

i am starting to get extremely annoyed

its almost like the hardest procedure in aviation is actually the hardest procedure to learn

[trim harbor]

Passengers dont know what they‘re talking about

[rustic charm]

If passengers complain, they can walk the next time

[trim harbor]

You need to use reference points

It‘s really not hard

Use reference points and reference speeds

Then it‘ll be essy

You only do it in good conditions anyway

[hollow oracle]

i dont understand

[trim harbor]

You use visual ref points (end of the boat, meatball, tower) to determine when to turn

[hollow oracle]

the issue isnt when to turn, the issue is the actual turn itself, i find that every time i actually enter the turn i either go too long or too shallow

it's never completely perfect to roll out onto the runway course

and when you're trying to do a landing on a moving carrier, you turn at the actual edge of the rear of the carrier right? so by the time you complete your turn and you are actually lined up, the carrier has already moved ahead of you

for static runways you give yourself about a mile until you start your turn to make up for the lack of forward movement?

[trim harbor]

You do 27-30 degress of turn usually

You do it at 650-600ft and about 450-400ft at the rear of the carrier, then call the ball once insight at a 3.5 degree angle iirc

[hollow oracle]

im not entirely clear on how the angle of attack indicator works too

i know that top is slow, bottom is fast, center ball is on profile, but following that seems to be just maintaining altitude? im not sure how that works with being on a descent profile?

[hollow oracle]

is it crazy to think of the angle of attack indicator as essentially a live Vapp gauge? like, it shows you your optimum approach speed and nothing else?

i think my brain is confusing it with a vertical speed gauge for some reason

[trim harbor]

It is

[hollow oracle]

i dont really get how that translates to a perfect descent rate though

[trim harbor]

Essentially you use both AOA and meatball

To correlate into a perfect descent ratw

[hollow oracle]

so AOA is just speed, nothing else?

i think my mistake is that I was trying to land a C-2 completely empty, im only just realizing, which might be why im having such hard issues keeping a proper speed, im landing at flaps 20 on a light cargo aircraft

90% fuel and only 340lbs for the crew

[trim harbor]

Oh man idk but i dont think so

[trim harbor]

Use less flaps most likely

Idk the c2

[hollow oracle]

yeah, just feels weird, my brain is like "short landing = slow = many flaps", so naturally i set high flaps, but i dont take into account my weight

[trim harbor]

Dont forget

You have wires

4 of em

Flaps dont matter TOOO much

Idk what theyre certified up to

Though

[hollow oracle]

yeah, my brain is just very procedure-wired, i think in what should happen and not whats actually happening

like, irl, if you're flying an aircraft and flaps 1 is enough to land, you just land with flaps 1, there's nothing that says you can't, as long as you're doing it safely

usually the C-2 is always fully loaded in both directions, so they land with like 30 degrees of flaps

[trim harbor]

It‘s like landing the md11 with flaps 50

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the whole time i was really struggling to maintain the proper AOA on approach using flaps 20, it was like 1-2 knots where the aircraft would accept the speed

[dusky leaf]

Pitch for airspeed, power for vs

[hollow oracle]

ah, that would also explain why i am struggling

[trail monolith]

Finally https://youtu.be/QF5aMXL2Wyw?si=HCaiov0M9_pGI3cV

[trim harbor]

Japanese

Based

[trail monolith]

Indeed

But there is also English

Japanese and English like all previous games

[trail monolith]

Ah there is a English variant of the trailer https://youtu.be/JQYx_867ua0?si=x8-9_ltBlqNXTgfl

[hollow oracle]

8 looks extremely interesting in the way that its mostly first person and includes ship stuff

i havent played any of the previous games, but the trailer looked really good

[trail monolith]

Ace combat 7 only cost around 5 euro (92% sale) on steam if you want to buy and try it

[hollow oracle]

that's what i was planning, sounds fun

it's funny, it was a complete coincidence that i was practicing carrier stuff tonight too, i wasnt expecting a new ace combat at all

though, sim experience doesnt really translate over, i've heard its very, very arcade-y

[trim harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-no-russian-remember-no-preorder-pre-order-russian-gif-15843695476718227409

[hollow oracle]

okay, this doesnt make sense to me in practice

i cant get anything right, i turn too sharp, i turn too wide, i stall out and almost crash on the turn, i am too high and i cant kick off enough speed

[hollow oracle]

i did get the payload stuff fixed, for some reason it was set to a max of 2 stations when it should have been 9

[hollow oracle]

its not fun anymore

i have literally no idea how any of this works

[reef isle]

YOOOO

@hollow oracle a dumb way to do that turn is to start really tight, and then gradually open it up

I can try and show you how I'd do it in the Tomcat or Hornet?

No Hawkeye for me

[reef isle]

oh @dusty sky another good freeware for Xplane is the Metroliner

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/78450-metroliner-iii-ac-package/

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/file/78517-metroliner-iii-fmod-and-airfoil-mod/

I'd also get this

[dusty sky]

I think I had that to get it but I forgot lmao

[reef isle]

An-24 and Let-410 are good as well

Yak-40 too

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/aerosoft-shares-2025-recap-and-2026-outlook/

looks good

[dusty sky]

the ominous orb of light

ok so it's the god damn sun

[reef isle]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-bring-the-sun-swans-michael-gira-to-be-kind-gif-12707479609148049642

[dusty sky]

rare case of my using VNAV

small goober

oh great the wheel texture is broken

[trail monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/king-gif-6550631183674623888

[hollow oracle]

Honestly I’m just putting it on ice for now, not worth the mental distress

It’s literally a free aircraft and I’ve put more effort into it than I have most of my payware aircraft

[dusty sky]

ok so I crashed

that was great

I stalled out on final

[alpine coral]

Yeah it is
I still find it pretty fun

[trail monolith]

Try the darkstar

[hollow oracle]

i just watched top gun maverick a few months ago and the whole darkstar thing was so lame

literally served no purpose to the plot other than showing that he's a test pilot now

[trail monolith]

Kind of wish the Darkstar was ported over to FS24

[dusty sky]

oh the darkstar

funny mach 10 thing that tim cruise flew

[trail monolith]

Tim 🤔

[hollow oracle]

famous actor and scientologist tim cruise

[hollow oracle]

the funny thing is that trying to land on a carrier is significantly easier in a fighter jet than it is the greyhound, i literally went straight for the hardest one

you have extremely precise engine and attitude control, and a giant bubble canopy to see everything, but the E2/C2 is like trying to land a 737 on a carrier

[reef isle]

interesting, now I kind of want to try 😄

unfortunately I can't 🫤

[hollow oracle]

well, if you have P3Dv5, both the carrier and the aircraft are free, it just needs some minor work to get it working in P3D

[reef isle]

I don't, FSX only 🥲

[hollow oracle]

visually it looks pretty great at least

[reef isle]

oh it's on FSX as well

I'll give it a try

it's the IndiaFoxtEcho one right?

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the carrier is for FSX too, the nimitz/eisenhower one

[reef isle]

where can I find it?

I doubt it's the default carrier that's near LA?

[hollow oracle]

rikoooo and flyawaysimulation have it if you want to wait 5 years for it to download

avsim has it in two parts, but you still need to download the AI carriers tool from flyawaysimulation

[reef isle]

https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/2618/fsx-aircraft-carrier-uss-nimitz/

No way it's this right?

[hollow oracle]

yeah, that's it

[reef isle]

oh alright

I'll see if there's an S3B as well, I always thought that looked funky, I wonder how it is to fly

[hollow oracle]

unfortunately there's no real clean way to spawn on the deck, you have to spawn at the nearest airport, spawn in the carrier group at a waypoint nearby, and then slew out to it

[reef isle]

that's alright

Oh indiafoxtecho has done it too

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i love it when devs surrender their old products for free, definitely one of the better advantages of sticking with P3D/FSX

[reef isle]

that's the decent thing to do really, IFE is great

[hollow oracle]

aeroplane heaven, indiafoxtecho, iris simulations, miltech, all fantastic former payware that's now free

[reef isle]

noooo the S-3 is AI only I think?

[hollow oracle]

i would be lying if i said that i hadnt looked into getting the supercarrier from miltech, it looks extremely impressive for only $15, and it works with the default F/A/18, which is good enough

though the whole C-2 experience soured carriers for me for the next few weeks i think

[reef isle]

do you have this as well?

[hollow oracle]

yes, that's how you actually spawn in the carrier

though, the old java version does not work, but because it's open source someone ported it to .net, so it still works perfectly

https://github.com/ollyau/AICarriers

[reef isle]

thank you so much for the github 🙏

[reef isle]

🤨

[dusty sky]

:)

what do you think happened

[reef isle]

no authrottle and stalled?

[dusty sky]

half correct

autothrottle and stalled

[reef isle]

that's a shit autothrottle system then

unless you were pulling some crazy maneuver

[dusty sky]

110 knots is 10/10 landing speed

[reef isle]

YOOOO THIS IS FANTASTIC

let's see if I can make the carriers work

eyyyyy @hollow oracle

[hollow oracle]

Shift + U: Lower Launch Bar
Shift + I: Raise Blast Shield
Shift + Space: Launch
Shift + Q: Raise/Lower Hook

default keybinds for carrier stuff

[reef isle]

appreciate it

[reef isle]

oh hahaha

[dusty sky]

I had a guy pretend to be control that was fun

didn't go to plan

obviously

[reef isle]

15 years later and the planes don't wobble like this on the ground

haha that was awesome

flight model is terrible though 🙁

[trim harbor]

oh my god

texaco 1-1

is it you

[reef isle]

I have reached my final form, as I have become, Texaco 1-1

[trim harbor]

i hate aar

it sucks so much

line up
tanker starts to turn

mfw

[hollow oracle]

yeah... i had a feeling that was the case

[dusty sky]

what in the world is this flight path

[reef isle]

Just Turn with it, r u stoopid?

[reef isle]

it's like FBW on steroids, I can just command exactly how the plane should move

no inertia at all

legalised slew mode

[trim harbor]

i turn with it and give it a taste on my feelings in that moment

[reef isle]

Hawkeye flies a little better but still not good enough to be enjpyable IMO

[hollow oracle]

actually, in your opinion, what's the best combination of sim/carrier/aircraft that you've seen?

it might be worth looking into something that flies like an aircraft to really learn carrier landings

im not sure how good or bad the default F/A-18 is in MSFS, but that + the supercarrier sounds really interesting right now ngl

ive looked into the indiafoxtecho F-14, but that looks like it might be pretty challenging

[reef isle]

DCS

no comparison really, unfortunately

[hollow oracle]

[echo gorge]

If you don't feel like spending money the a-4 is pretty good and is fully carrier capable

[reef isle]

Absolutely

default DCS (no supercarrier) and A-4

[echo gorge]

And (hot take ) is more interesting than either the tomcat or the bug

[reef isle]

with the Hawkeye I found that looking at the actual AoA display is more helpful than the 3 symbols one

so my scan was mostly airspeed - FLOLS - AoA

that was alright

but yeah, plane is weird to fly

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the actual arrows AOA indicator seems to be extremely twitchy, but i cant tell if that's because im flying horribly or if it's incorrect

[reef isle]

I didn't really look at them tbh

[hollow oracle]

might wait until i look into the C-130J a little more, because then id have a real reason to re-install DCS, and then i can try that out

[echo gorge]

On the subject of the c130, I ran into one of texture artists for it in the most unexpected discord server lol

[runic hare]

S3 my beloved

[echo gorge]

The c130 does seem quite cool, it being the modern version detracts somewhat but I'm sure that'll sell better than one of the older models

[hollow oracle]

i havent done too much research into the C-130 yet, definitely only really interested in it because it's a medium duty cargo aircraft in a sim primarily about fighters, i dont know anything about the quality

[echo gorge]

It is a lot more of an achievement though tbf, as the j contains basically a full fms that needs to be custom modeled where the older models with just tacan navigation and steam gauges would be a lot simpler systems wise

[echo gorge]

From what I've seen it looks well done, but I'm not really following it both due to waning interest in dcs and just my general lack of interest in such modern equipment

One look at that ugly ass cockpit is enough to make me nope out pretty darn quick

So much empty space on the panel

[hollow oracle]

tbh im actually kind of glad its the glass cockpit, because the old steam gauges one was an OCD nightmare

[echo gorge]

Sure but they're fun

[hollow oracle]

the yoke is completely offcentered from the horizon and stuff

[echo gorge]

But look at all the pretty engine dials 🤤

More seriously though, I just have never liked how digital screens look rendered in video games (regardless of type) always just prefer the far more tactile stuff

[reef isle]

yeah same tbh

also I don't really see myself using it

[rustic charm]

Tbh screens can be good, but they need to look good to be good

My favourite glass cockpit overall as of yet is the MD-11

It just looks good

[hollow oracle]

any thoughts on the captainsim 737-300? i know that captainsim in FSX/P3D is completely entirely different in quality, but i dont know how their later products are

its on sale for $30 right now

i've heard its alright, it's not PMDG quality as far as 737s go, but its also not nearly as bad as their MSFS products

oh fuck yes, all i saw in screenshots and the official video was just the old steam gauges, but there is an option for the digital ones, im definitely sold on it now

if it was just steam gauges, i was kind of hesitant because i like the digital ones more, but with the digital ones im very on board

[trim harbor]

Mid

Very mid

Unfinished product

Sadly cs moved to msfs after releasing it

Flies a to b but that‘s abt it

You‘re better off with the ixeg

For a classic 737

It‘s comparable to the CS767 (p3d)

[hollow oracle]

for $30 though, im not sure

i'm watching a pretty good review right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVDPwTBO5-g

i def wouldnt pay $60 for it, but $30 is pretty tempting

[hollow oracle]

you can even import a flight plan manually using airways

i've used some really stinky payware aircraft that don't even let you do that properly

[full plank]

Did you go for AS in the end? & apologies for not getting back, been mega busy at work sadly

[hollow oracle]

I haven’t decided yet

It’s either activesky or the captainsim 737, but in a few weeks I’ll have the money to get the other, so it’s not really too big of a decision

[hollow oracle]

After watching through all 3 parts of this guys review, it looks pretty good actually, and there have been a few updates since

In part 2 of the tutorial/review someone calls him on his house phone, then calls him on his cell phone, and then texts him, and then calls him AGAIN

[hollow oracle]

I feel like the standard of quality for a “meh” aircraft in P3D is significantly higher than the standard of quality for a “meh” aircraft in MSFS, so that certainly helps

[reef isle]

I can't think of any other 737CL for P3D/FSX

If you want a good 737-200 the Milviz one is free and has loads of avionics options

The flight model is very mediocre though

I'd have fairly high expectations for any Captain Sim FSX/P3D product

Although I'm not sure it makes sense

Why don't you buy the CSS for MSFS?

I get that the IXEG is a totally different price bracket, it's only the -300, etc..

If you're on Xplane11 the RG mod would give you all 737Classic variants, but the only way to get the XP11 IXEG is by sailing the seven seas...

Unless you want a very specific plane and you're sure it won't be done for MSFS, I don't really see the point in buying anything for P3D/FSX

Like, I get spending money to buy, I don't know, a VC-10, or a Vickers Vanguard, or a Coronado (not that there is one 😭) but a 737 Classic?...

[trim harbor]

ladies and gentlemen

the pmdg 737 for msfs24 was leaked

l o l

[reef isle]

Huh?

[rustic charm]

Tbh I think a VC-10 could appear in MSFS

Very unlikely, but I could see JF doing it way down the road

[reef isle]

if it happens it'll be so far down the road it's not worth thinking about it IMHO

even the Comet in on the edge

[rustic charm]

Well tbf the comet is being made, we just have no idea when it'll be finished

[reef isle]

yeah that's what I mean by it being on the "edge"

[dusty sky]

wait what comet

by who

I hope I'll actually catch atc for landing at DFW

[rustic charm]

Classic aircraft simulations

24-only iirc

[rustic charm]

Such a fun approach

You start off at 9500ft, and then within 19 miles descend to 1900

And of course the localizer is slightly offset

That's 109th day in a row

Yes I have no life

[trim harbor]

On the seven seas

A leak appeared

[hollow oracle]

It’s $120 to own it

[reef isle]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-sparrow-smiles-johnny-depp-gif-3829357382943597812

[hollow oracle]

The whole $5 a month trial thing that CSS has going is neat, but I like to actually own the things I buy

[reef isle]

fair enough

well, 120 for all variants isn't too bad once they add them

[rustic charm]

Indeed

[reef isle]

(should be soon apparently)

[hollow oracle]

Weren’t the variants a seperate purchase? I thought it was $35 for each or something

[rustic charm]

I think it might even be this month, or in January

[rustic charm]

Nope, 45 for each iirc if you want to buy them separately

[reef isle]

no, 120 gets you the lot

[rustic charm]

$120 still gives you the full pack

-300, -300F, -400, -400F, -500

If you want to buy them separately, it's $45 for the -300, -400 and -500 each, plus the -300F and -400F are $10 on top of their base model

[hollow oracle]

Hm… that is better value at least

[rustic charm]

I think though if you buy 1 of the variants standalone, the full pack and the subscription become unavailable

[dusky leaf]

Last time I trialled it it wasnt all that far off

[rustic charm]

I have it right now, it's quite nice tbh

I do find it annoying that only C&D is available as the starting config, no option for GPU. But that should be improved along with the -400/-300 release

Also a bit of a pain to fly on keyboard, but it's a me problem really

[dusty sky]

what do I do here

[rustic charm]

Lower your altitude on the MCP

Then your plane will be able to descend in VNAV once you reach the top of descent

[dusty sky]

I am not exited for this approach

visibility is dog water

[hollow oracle]

https://www.khamsin.org/

New khamsin website

[rustic charm]

Fast

[rustic charm]

Please do not ask whether this is safe because this is not

That plane is finally in Yellowknife... that was terrible

[hollow oracle]

unsafe is the only way that ill fly

[hollow oracle]

oh wow, im very impressed with the CS 737

truthfully my biggest complaint is that the screens have this weird purple dust look to them when the cockpit lights get too bright

otherwise, its a pretty functional aircraft, it's missing some really niche things like programming route offsets, but that's so niche that i have no issues with that not being present

even stuff like the avionics master switch in the backwall works

the placeholder chart they used for the yoke is the jokey miracle on the hudson one that jeppesen issued

apparently it's easy to swap out the chart that is shown on the yoke, so if you want it to be like a taxi chart or something you can do that

and fully modeled lavs

i'll do my inagural flight maybe later tonight or tomorrow, but at least on the ground i am fairly impressed

[hollow oracle]

it would still be really funny if we got the GTA map in a flight simulator, even though the runways are tiny it would be cool

or even a GTA map but scaled up

[dusky leaf]

Pre orders open for IL2 Korea. Will certainly buy, but not out til q2 26 at the earliest, so too far out for me

[hollow oracle]

yeah, kind of what i expected, pretty mediocre, but mediocre isnt nessicarily bad

it is kind of funny, you can open all windows and doors in cruise (which is phyiscally impossible because of the air pressure difference), but it does at least cause an instant rapid depressurization, and the alt horn cutout does work thankfully

for $30 im not really that dissapointed, but no way i would pay $60 for this thing

[hollow oracle]

all of the aircraft that i have flown recently really love to do -6000fpm top of descent dives

both the A306 and the 737 did it

i tried doing the trick where you go into V/S to ease the top of descent a bit, but the VNAV is always way too aggressive

for some reason the VNAV is not following restrictions, it REALLY wants to descend on its own schedule regardless of any restrictions

this is a fucking mess, it dives at 6000fpm every time the restriction lifts because the VNAV isnt following restrictions, and then when i tried landing the glideslope and localizer never appeared but they did arm, and then it just didnt follow the glideslope and instead descended me at 1800fpm into the ground

[hollow oracle]

i didn't end up filing a chargeback with the 717 because i didnt want to be banned from captainsim just incase I wanted to try out their P3D stuff, but now i'm going to give the chargeback a shot, because i am 1,000% not interested in captainsims products any longer

haha... i just realized that i charged it to my debit card, so i cant even charge back

why is it that every time i try i buy myself something nice to keep myself sane, it's garbage that never works

first it was the 717, and now the 737

[reef isle]

Doesn't sound unreasonable for a 737 classic TBH

The VNAV in that thing was famously shit

I don't bother every time I fly that in Xplane to be honest, I use the ToD indication to start descending (when it looks reasonable), and that's about it

Although I would expect it to follow restrictions

[dusty sky]

what is volanta on bro 😭

[trim harbor]

wrong livery sir

[rustic charm]

What's wrong with it apart from the fact it's not the older one

[trim harbor]

that is the problem

i think lh kinda wasted money on giving them the new livery

[rustic charm]

Couldn't find an older one tbf

[trim harbor]

wow alliance

the good old times

[rustic charm]

How did I not notice those lol

[reef isle]

the flightsim.to search is absolute ass

it's worse than awful

it's so bad that the only way they could have made it so bad is by actively trying to engineer the possible in-site search ever known to man

like...

how is this even possible

[rustic charm]

It's awful ngl

It used to be so much better

[reef isle]

Let's go

[rustic charm]

What's that

[full plank]

Vatsim wrapped

[rustic charm]

Ah

[dusty sky]

my most flown plane is the A310

[rustic charm]

Around 25% of my total flight time is on MD-11s

[hollow oracle]

eh... i guess, but this was definitely a high descent rate because the VNAV path was extremely eager

even on a restriction that went from 15000 to 14000A, the VNAV commanded 6000fpm down and it met the altitude in like 2 seconds

but that might be because the VNAV was showing i was constantly high to the maximum limit, it was trying to meet some arbitrary path

idk, i might just be burnt out with flight sims, because this completely killed any interest in playing flight sims for me

[reef isle]

yeah looks like the VNAV path got messed up for some reason

sorry to hear that you're getting burned out with flight sims though

[hollow oracle]

eh, it happens with every hobby, just kind of sucks that its happening now, and over this

[hollow oracle]

like, why

it should be going direct to the waypoint

the aircraft will level off and even descend to meet 250kts at the thrust reduction altitude if you enable autopilot before then too

it intercepts the path between BBYSE and the next waypoint, not the waypoint itself

oh, and over 10,000ft the aircraft doesnt speed up at all, it just stays at 250kts

though, you can manually change that in the FMC at least, but then the aircraft descends/stops climbing to speed up again

it's definitely a massive issue that it's hard to tell apart actual boeing issues vs captainsim issues

i want to say that the real 737 classics had issues with both climb and descent VNAV, but im only certain about descent issues, not climb issues

[hollow oracle]

yeah, VNAV is not happy, just hit T/D, instant -6000fpm nosedive, and it's reading that im so high from the path that it's off the charts

oh yeah wtf, the VNAV is way off, at WAYMN it wants 5140, and YUKKY has a 9000B restriction, with the next waypoint having a 4000A

yet the VNAV is showing im significantly high

oh yeah, vertical speed is the way to go to fly this aircraft, descent, approach, and landing went smooth as butter

it does suck that VNAV is a bust, but if that's the only real thing technically wrong with it, im fine with that

at least i know how to fly it now, i can get a few flights under my belt with it and call it a wash

one million percent not reccomended though, just for the emotional anguish i went through alone

and captainscam absolutely deserves that nickname for certain, and i hate it when people call stuff scams, but holy fuck is captainsim stuff an actual scam

1.04G, exceptionally good landing, especially when P3D reports way higher Gs than any other sim

[rustic charm]

So just seen now, apparently a couple of days ago the last in-service An-22 disintigrated mid-air on a test flight after repairs

7 people onboard lost their lives but thankfully nobody on the ground was hurt

[rustic charm]

Time for 4 hours of an almost full US coast to coast flight on nothing but VORs 😎

Actually might not make it considering I did cut the Eastern delivery short at New Orleans after 3:30 and that was a lighter DC-9-10

So plan here is to judge how it looks while I'm passing Memphis and land there in case what

[rustic charm]

Wow

KATL has basically nothing in terms of conventional navigation

Doesn't even have a VOR station it looks like

Most likely it used to, just got rid of stuff now that pretty much every plane is RNAV-capable

Welp, let's take off and see what happens lol

[rustic charm]

Almost at my cruise level

[rustic charm]

Dark

[rustic charm]

Not dark

[rustic charm]

@trim harbor longer than my previous longest DC-9 flight (not counting Hawaii since that had 'extra fuel') by another 50 minutes. This was also a bigger and heavier DC-9-30, the previous one was a DC-9-10

I just remember you said 3:26 feels like too much for a DC-9

[hollow oracle]

Using the leaked version of the PMDG 737 for 2024 permanently bans your PMDG account, and they won’t unban you until you buy the 2024 edition at “full list price”

[dusty sky]

PMDG be greedy lmao

[full plank]

I mean you'd be pretty fucking stupid to use the leaked 737 anyway

[dusty sky]

Viruses in guessing

[full plank]

that & the possibility of having a plane that might be outdated by the time it releases, especially since stuff is still being tweaked in the background

[trim harbor]

thats actually funny asf

peak pmdg trollage

[rustic charm]

Tbh I wouldn't say they're necessarily wrong for doing that

[hollow oracle]

I don’t really have much strong thoughts on it either way, but I will say, that has to be an extremely finicky system, I’m curious if there has been any false positives put out by OC3 yet about it

I don’t really fault people for being curious too, especially for something as high profile as the PMDG 2024 update, and it being leaked super early

[hollow oracle]

im almost completely certain that it's a press copy given out, and somebody who recieved it sent it to a friend, who then sent it to a friend, etc etc

if anything, the only updates to it by release will be bug fixes (if anything at all, knowing PMDG), and it would be beyond stupid to infect a leaked flight sim aircraft with a virus, unless if your flightsimlabs

[full plank]

or you're like any of the torrent sites

pretty sure the leaked A380 had some bitcoin miner shit in it too

[hollow oracle]

the leaked A380 was safe, again it was a press copy that was leaked, the only reason why that rumor started is because the performance in the A380 is so shit (especially the first release) that people thought it had to be a bitcoin miner or something

[trim harbor]

leaked by a cc

so yes

idk who tho

[full plank]

honestly, im not fussed either way, I'd happily pay the full price (even did with the FSL neo) just to have an NG for 24

[hollow oracle]

yeah, PMDG has the right to do whatever they want to protect their IP, but i also get why some people in the community are upset by it

i dont even own 2024 so i could not care less either way

PMDG literally owns their own private jet, so make of that what you will

[reef isle]

noooooooooooo JAX ctr closed as soon as I entered their airspace

they were only online for 1h 🥲

[reef isle]

well that was fun at least 😄

[rustic charm]

I still find it funny how Eastern decided to state that 727s are whisperjets

I'm sorry but 3 JT8Ds that quite often will work full capacity on takeoff is anything but whisper

[hollow oracle]

the idea is that you were ahead of the engine, instead of underwing

727s are loud by modern standards, but in the 70s they were significantly quieter by comparison

[echo gorge]

At least they're turbofans lol

[hollow oracle]

yeah, for better or for worse, doing vertical speed for climb and descent works wonders

LNAV is a mixed bag, sometimes the path is weird, sometimes it isnt

[full plank]

P3D my beloved

[trim harbor]

They technically own a dc3 too

The whole situation is kinda funny

[hollow oracle]

that was sold a while ago, and its unservicable

[trim harbor]

I wonder how legal it is though

It sounds like a fslabs fiasco in the making

[hollow oracle]

i mean, if they put it in their EULA its completely legal, but the second that OC3 gives a false positive and bans someones account, it's going to be a powder keg going off i feel

[trim harbor]

Apparently its not in their EULA

People in the subreddit saying they‘re gonna file a lawsuit

I dont think people realize both cost and time lol

[reef isle]

Wait what happened?

[full plank]

people downloading the leaked 737 & having their PMDG accounts banned

[reef isle]

Having the accounts banned means they can't fly the planes they bought?

That would suck 🫤

[full plank]

I understand it though

[trim harbor]

I mean

They pirated a product

Fair on pmdg in that case

But u could say the same abt fslabs and it still isnt right

Imo atleast

[reef isle]

The way I see it:

Not as bad as FSLabs, you know, this isn't malware. At the same time, I don't see it being right punishing people that downloaded the plane, they should figure out and go after who shared it around first.

There are loads of "non-malicious" people/reasons that could lead to you to install that 737, maybe it's just FOMO because all your friends have tried the new 737, maybe you genuinely just want to try it (I admit here that I pirated stuff so that I could try it, and then removed it).

The fact that the punishment also brings PMDG more revenue (you can just create another account and buy the planes again I assume), and the fact that they're showing that you don't actually "own" any of their planes and they can just take it away at a moment's notice if you do something they don't like sends a very bad message.

Also, how does removing all the legitimately acquired planes make the situation any better? It just encourages more piracy, if PMDG randomly decided to take all the planes I bought from them away, being honest, the first thing I would do is looking to pirate them, I gave them the money, I should have the planes.

It's just another facet of the "you'll own nothing and be happy" state of digital products

If I PURHCASE a PRODUCT, the seller should stop caring about anything I do or install in my PC (or about how I use the product at all) the moment the receive my money, I OWN the PRODUCT and I OWN my own Personal Computer.

The problem is that they're selling a one time payment SUBRSCIPTION to a SERVICE, and they're just pretending that you actually purchase a product.

and this isn't just PMDG btw

it's not just plane devs in FS either

To draw a parallel to show how ridiculous this would be:

A friend of a friend passes me a bootleg DVD that shows an internal screening of a new Disney movie that isn't out yet in cinemas, because I consumed that piece of media, a Disney representatives comes to my house and takes away from me all my Disney DVDs and Blu-Rays

It's beyond me why all of this is acceptable in the "digitial market"...

PMDG being so openly anti-ownership will probably change wheter or not I pirate or buy from them.

If I pirate one of their planes they won't be able to take it away from me.

So yeah... just another company that doesn't understand the only way to defeat piracy is to offer a better service than the pirates 😄

Sorry, I didn't want to comment about this whole thing because I knew I'd end up with a huge rant

[rustic charm]

Does it? I'm not sure

PMDG doesn't use any background apps or anything while you're running MSFS

And their planes are also on the marketplace so you don't even need a PMDG account to run them

Plus I think I've flown PMDG planes while being offline?

[full plank]

yea OC3 is really only used for liveries

[reef isle]

in that case I take everything I've said back

I am no longer depresseed about the state of our society

[echo gorge]

I don't take issue with not allowing people to purchase further products after you have pirated something, but what you have already purchased is now yours and regardless of legality it is now yours and they should have no right to steal them from you.

Two thefts does not make a right

[reef isle]

Thanks for reducing my incoherent waffle into one sane paragraph

Genuinely

[trim harbor]

Winrar entered the chat

Wonder if they‘ll take statement to it

I‘d hope so

[reef isle]

Looks like I'll finally be able to realise an idea I've had for like 3 years 🥲

It's VIFFing time

[rustic charm]

Welp, that's it

111 days passed, now I'm breaking my streak

[dusty sky]

Can bro keep it up for a year

[rustic charm]

I could try, but not right now. I decided to break it today specifically cause it's at 111, the goal initially was to reach that (my friend's streak, the guy who helped me get into flight sim initially, is 111), and I know I won't be able to keep it up for too much longer due to the fact I'll have a bunch of real flights during holidays, so decided it would be kinda nice to keep it the same as him

Maybe the year will be a goal at some point

But currently I have a longer streak than anyone else I know anyway. Would be kinda cool if Volanta showed the longest streak someone ever had, that would be the goal then

[echo gorge]

Is it back on sale?

[reef isle]

No, I wish, I just found the time and opportunity to do it with a person that is actually interested

[trim harbor]

What is it with this company man

What happend that they took a 180

It‘s almost a literal cs move

Make banging fsx/p3d products and just make the biggest L decisions in msfs

I dont get it

[hollow oracle]

in the next 6 months: "we're proud to announce that we're releasing a GSX compatibility pack for $60"

[static mango]

Kinda glad I havent paid for their stuff for MSFS

If they are screwing us over

That and their prices are egregious

[runic hare]

Lolllll

PMDG are the MR Krabs of the FS world

[runic hare]

Not even that

“PMDG Ground Handling 24 - $75”

And it’s just one guy pushing some stairs around

[reef isle]

not my finest work, but I got it down

I have no idea why my brain convinced itself as I was doing that last turn that I was supposed to land on 27L instead of R hahahah

always fascinating when stuff like this happens, those are the very real psychological issues that can lead to real incidents

I'm too rusty to do stuff like this now I think 😅

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @rustic charm guys

Christmas might be coming early

https://youtu.be/yDlU6aKnBpY

[rustic charm]

The trailer's there now?

That's nice

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the RJ trailer literally a couple of days before it released?

[trim harbor]

Man i hope so

Klm fokker ops yes pls

[reef isle]

They said next year in their thing

The text update

https://www.justflight.com/articles/end-of-year-round-up-2025-part-three

Oh no I'm an idiot, I'm wrong. I misread

There's still hope

[trim harbor]

Please : (

Noone wants the pmdg shitbox

Everyone wants the Fokker

[dusty sky]

A300B6 when

[runic hare]

ignore the stairs

[dusty sky]

Nah bro they're leased trust

[runic hare]

in Katowice?

[dusty sky]

How is the 747-8F in msfs 2024?

[reef isle]

Eh

Flyable, I guess

[dusty sky]

Flyable sounds accurate for an asobo plane

[static mango]

Are JT and JF related?

[static mango]

Ah so theyre the EA of the flying world

Greedy, horrible company

[rustic charm]

Yes

JustTrains and JustFlight are the same company

The devs will be different teams of course, cause you gotta know the specifics of the games

[reef isle]

no way 😭

[trim harbor]

Sorry for your loss

[reef isle]

I will never emotionally recover from this

I watched the first 5 minutes of the live to see if he mentioned me at all, thankfully he didn't, but unfortunately I've lost about 75% of my braincells

paraphrasing "planes are all the same, if you can start an Airbus or a Boeing, things are just in a slightly different position"

Tries to override the automatic fuel system for no reason and doesn't even manage to do that 😭

[echo gorge]

Bruh

[reef isle]

...

[hollow oracle]

even though i just got the captainsim 737 classic in p3d, im still kind of interested in the -500 for MSFS

i hate that its a subscription model, but $5 for a month to "trial" the aircraft is a very smart business tactic

[hollow oracle]

Actually, is it worth it on sale? $60 for it seems way too much

Im still considering it a little bit

[rustic charm]

I'd say yes if you really want a DC-9 and don't have anything similar

[rustic charm]

Oh god no

Why would you try to override MD-11's automatics

It's a very smart plane

It only looks old

It's not old

In fact I'd say apart from flight controls, it's probably the smartest plane

Had it been given FBW, I would've confidently stood my ground in calling it the smartest plane overall

[rustic charm]

DWC is a fun place

Not a single jetway gate

In fact not a single connected stand, every single one is a remote stand

A small, 1-floor terminal

Can't quite believe that in 5 years time it will be the country's main airport

[rustic charm]

So pretty

[reef isle]

It's crazy that McDonnell Douglas developed probably one of the best cockpits ever just as they were about to be acquired by Boeing that just ended up never using it...

Technically they used it in the 717, but that's just a different name for the MD-95

Every day that passes without TFDi announcing a 717 for MSFS I get closer and closer to buying it for FSX

[rustic charm]

Oh a 717 would be really neat

And I absolutely agree

The cockpit is amazing

The whole plane is amazing too

Apart from toublesome aerofynamics of course

But that gives it a fun quirk too

I think though MD should've just kept the DC-10 horizontal stabiliser untouched

Yes it'll mean even worse fuel efficiency and slightly less range

But it would've had much more control

[dusty sky]

so I was wonder why there were so many Qatar airways planes flying to Doha

then an event started there

[dusky leaf]

Some nice discounts on the flying circus stuff at the IL2 sale

[reef isle]

YOOOOO

@rustic charm

@trim harbor

[rustic charm]

YES

FIRST SCREENSHOT

Oh my god that's beautiful

I kinda reckon January release maybe?

[reef isle]

Seems a bit optimistic

But might be

[hollow oracle]

pmdg 737 for 2024 is out

$75, $30 if you're upgrading from 2020

[rustic charm]

Yeah, don't think I'm doing that, thanks PMDG but I'll wait for 747s now

[full plank]

rebuilt from the ground up 737 that still feature the 30 fps animations that were first pioneered in FS2004

nice having a 737 for FS24 though

[tired pond]

It's one of them bullets I don't mind biting but it's still annoying

[full plank]

I basically paid full price despite being entitled to the discount due owning the 2020 737

[hollow oracle]

god fucking damnit i hate VOR navigation

if you have 2 VORs, and the flight plan tells you that the radial between the two VORs is 300, shouldnt it not matter what VOR you're on??????

like, how does it work in an airliner????

all of the videos i can find on youtube relate to single VOR navigation in GA aircraft, not airliner navigation between enroute VORs

im over it

and then fucking simbrief put my cruise altitude way above what the aircraft can actually cruise at, especially managing it all manually

[reef isle]

Not necessarily, it should always be within a few degrees

You can see it here for example on the BALET5 arrival in LAX, if you switch over when it tells you, it changes by 1°

I usually try to switch to the VOR ahead as soon as I possibly can

I remember a few cases where it changed by about 3/4° if the VORs were very far apart

[hollow oracle]

i just gave up, not worth my time

[reef isle]

Sorry

[hollow oracle]

it's like every time i fly a VOR aircraft in any sim, i can never get it right no matter how much i learn or know

it's just not worth the headache, anything post-1980 is going to have some sort of RNAV based navigation anyway

[hollow oracle]

is there no simbrief import on the CSS 737?

i updated the nav data, but it says nav data not updated, there's nothing in the nav data menu, and i'm missing arrivals into warsaw, so that's fun

why is it that everything has been fucking slop garbage trash recently

everything that i buy or want to buy is fucking trash that doesnt work

[hollow oracle]

well, i guess im feeling a little better about the captainsim 737 in P3D, the VNAV on the CSS one works as bad (if not worse) than the captainsim one

i ended up turning VNAV off in the CSS one, similar issues on takeoff, the VNAV leveled out (and started descending) for no real reason, i think it might have been speed related but i have no idea at all

thank god the one month trial of the CSS 737 is only $5, i dont feel bad not even completing a flight with it, if i want a 737 classic id just fly the one i just got in P3D that isnt a subscription based one

[hollow oracle]

today just isnt my day 🥲

[worthy dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1poe59k/norse_787_dreamliner_takes_off_with_the_las_vegas/

[trail monolith]

We already had one since release though

[trim harbor]

Finally

[trim harbor]

Im still waiting for my $100 discount for owning the p3d version

That they promised

[full plank]

Had one what since release?

[trail monolith]

737

[full plank]

If you’re talking about the included 73 MAX, its shit & frankly not something i’d fly again

[rustic charm]

Don't take this wrong, but I think if you have issues with certain aspects of the plane across multiple different aircraft from multiple different devs, that doesn't mean that the planes are wrong. Maybe in this case it's better to not switch between different aircraft but stick with one and push yourself to understand how to do the things you're having issues with

I will say from personal experience - I learned pretty much everything on the 737NG. A plane that is easy to fly, a plane that I'm familiar with. That made it really easy to then move onto other aircraft, because while I still had to learn the actual flying characteristics, I already had the navigation fully covered