Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

Btw about the F28, do you know any neat airlines for it?

[runic hare]

47 early 😍😍😍😍

[rustic charm]

Once I finally fly it I'll probably do Montenegro first, but then I don't really know who else to fly with it

Did anyone in the UK fly the F28 actually?

[rustic charm]

Not bad

[dusty sky]

the night looks so crusty lmao

I can count the pixels

[trim harbor]

r u having an overnight at helsinki

or u going back

[runic hare]

Going back now

[trim harbor]

is it ur last for the day atleast

[reef isle]

Yeah quite a few, what's you area of interest?

[reef isle]

Yes, Air Anglia and later Air UK

[rustic charm]

Anything in the US or the UK perhaps? Maybe Australia, delivering one there would be quite fun

Also really any other ones you liked, I'm always open to new airlines

[runic hare]

Yeah just HEL and back

[reef isle]

The ones that immediately spring to mind to me are

UK:
Air Anglia
Air UK
TAT Europe (w/ BA livery, but IIRC it didn't actually fly in the UK a lot)

US:
Piedmont
UsAir
Air21
Alaska/Horizon

Australia:
Ansett
MMA

[rustic charm]

Neat

Might actually fly some Horizon with it

I don't have the Embraers to do it present day anyway XD

[reef isle]

Those are all my F28 flights

The one in alaska is half ficticious

[rustic charm]

Oh that's quite something

I spot Tivat

[rustic charm]

Also in Canada there, it's Canadian Regional I assume?

[reef isle]

Yes 😄

[rustic charm]

Montenegro is lovely

And before MGX it was JAT, also lovely

Ngl wish we had more JAT liveries

They had DC-9-30s iirc but I don't think there's a livery yet

[reef isle]

You also have Mid Pac in Hawaii and Air Nauru for flying around in the pacific (I think I cut it off the map), which are both quite fun, especially in the Hawaii

https://primary.jwwb.nl/public/o/m/k/temp-saivueddoxqsfybtqzyf/1o7jdu/11221n281mp.jpg

[rustic charm]

Oh god, delivering an F28 to Hawaii... sounds like a fair challenge

I'm pretty sure it's comparable to the DC-9 in terms of range, right?

[reef isle]

https://flightsim.to/file/59087/just-flight-fokker-f28-400-mid-pacific-air-n281mp

Unfortunately the guy that made it committed the god forsaken sin of making the text too high, but it's nice

I can't really be bothered to fix it

[reef isle]

Pretty sure it's shorter

1000NM is already pushing it

[rustic charm]

Welp...

I guess I'm gonna have a third mission impossible flight in the future

[reef isle]

https://www.aussieairliners.org/f-28/vh-fke/vhfke.html

if you're interested here is the actual delivery route for one of MMA's F28s

Delivery route: Amsterdam - Brindisi - Ankara - Teheran - Karachi - Calcutta - Bangkok - Singapore -Denpasar - Port Headland - Perth

[rustic charm]

That's quite something

[reef isle]

heheh yeah

[rustic charm]

Even via Teheran

[reef isle]

it was a proper regional jet, it had very short range

[rustic charm]

Ngl politics aside, Teheran is a neat place for planes. Still 300s, 310s and 340s there

[reef isle]

I can also give you a manual, that @echo gorge sent to me a long time ago and I have made sure nothing bad ever happened to it

[rustic charm]

Also MD-80s and I'm pretty sure even BAe 146s

[rustic charm]

You even have a manual?

[echo gorge]

Full manual yeah

[reef isle]

when the F28 came out it was the only "proper" old style plane I had access to (I didn't have Xplane back then), so I flew it a lot

as you can tell haha

[echo gorge]

I'm not actually sure where I put that manual anymore lol 😅

[rustic charm]

That's fair

Much nicer to have more old school planes now

But I gotta say, the F28 still stands out as the only old regional jet tbh

Like, even BAe 146 is a different kind

I remember doing a couple flights in the 28, I did New York to Boston, LA to San Diego and Miami to Charleston iirc

[echo gorge]

Yeah the 146 is so much more modern feeling

Despite not actually being that much newer

[rustic charm]

Deleted them from volanta because 'landing' was an overstatement for all of those

[rustic charm]

Yeah, plus it's aided by the fact that the 146 had some early FMS for a while, and meanwhile the F28 was VOR-only initially iirc

(Talking about flight sim)

JF only added some stuff to it in the V2 update which was iirc spring this year?

[rustic charm]

According to my watch I should be somewhere around halfway there right about now

[rustic charm]

Ngl I kinda love that livery

Also will start descending in just under 15 minutes

Descending now

Hopefully I'm somewhere not too far from Hawaii

Welp, down to FL270 as that was my planned initial descent (only going further down once on a VOR track), and no VORs for now

[reef isle]

Watching you on Volanta

[rustic charm]

I'm talking with another friend in DMs, and while I asked him to not spoil anything (I'm not looking on Volanta), his initial reactions make me think I'm definitely not where I think I am

[hollow oracle]

Is that the skysimulations DC9?

Is it any good? I remember their MD-11 being pretty mid when that was the only option for MSFS

[rustic charm]

Yeah it is, and I wouldn't call it amazing but it's flyable imo

I'd say it just misses some QoL features mainly

Not the most amazing model I've seen, but not bad either. Engine start works fine. VOR NAV works too

It just doesn't have a takeoff performance calculator for example, you need to do it yourself

Welp, happy days

Lihue is in range

Heading 170, 190 miles out

I'm no longer lost

[rustic charm]

The plan and my path, compared...

[reef isle]

hahah nice

[rustic charm]

This was fun

The 90-degree turn at first wasn't random or from a navaid, it was literally "By my calculations, I was supposed to be within the range of at least one VOR by now. I cannot be east of Hawaii, I must be northwest of the islands, let's do a turn to the left and see where it takes us"

The second turn was the moment of celebration when Lihue VORDME started being received

Then I decided to do a DME arc there, at 140 miles out, so I would be on the correct STAR course towards the DME (I was on 170 and had to be on 135)

[rustic charm]

F28s were built at Schipol, right?

[rustic charm]

With BATC this time

[rustic charm]

Well, out of good news, I took off. Out of bad news, I didn't set it up right seemingly so the attitude indicator and the vspeed indicator don't work

I just forgot radio master switches lol

Now it's all great

Such a lovely plane

Can't wait until the F70/100 is finally out

[rustic charm]

Cozy

[runic hare]

the lion does not concern himself with severe turbulence

[rustic charm]

Looks like something I'd do

Weather reroutes? What's that?

[runic hare]

well I asked

but I'm on vatsim

with an italian controller

[rustic charm]

Fair

I'm close to Italy too

Tbh I've not actually yet encountered a single severe storm in MSFS

Somehow every time it looks scary on the radar but when I actually get close to it it's clear skies

[rustic charm]

Delivering an F28 now, and just saw this too... https://flightsim.to/file/99625/jat-airways-yu-akj-boeing-727-200

Tivat is gonna get a lot of use now

[rustic charm]

Almost in Tivat, and I can see Podgorica from here lol

A bit of an ouch but at least it was on the runway this time

[reef isle]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGsXaVIIg9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaejdesD61Q

[rustic charm]

Do you by chance know which apron they'd be delivered from? I just spawned in randomly this time on apron M cause it looked like somewhere they could potentially have used

[reef isle]

I think I found out at one point

give me one sec

[hollow oracle]

i havent flown the FBW A32NX in ages, i forgot how fun it is

i also finally got my xbox controller set up wirelessly, and its so weird not having to deal with a wire

[reef isle]

@rustic charm I think it's these buildings here

[rustic charm]

Oh

[reef isle]

https://www.fokker-history.com/en-gb/fokkervestigingen-in-nederland-1919-1996

[rustic charm]

So I guessed right then

[reef isle]

Hehe nice

[rustic charm]

Tbh it did look like an assembly facility of sorts, that's why I decided to use that apron

(Plus kinda no other place, obviously they wouldn't assemble them at the GA apron or the cargo terminals)

[reef isle]

Fair enough yep

That's right 😄

[hollow oracle]

i actually wanted to do a flight today, but i got food poisoning instead

so now im in a weird mood where i really, really want to do a flight, but physically im not in the mood to fly, which is annoying as hell

[rustic charm]

Yugoslavia!!!

And before you ask, no, I'm not doing this flight 100% realistically because I myself don't smoke

[rustic charm]

For now going quite nicely with fuel, sitting at mach .80, loaded roughly 2 tons over, and still keeping around 2 tons over the plan estimates. Feels nice

[rustic charm]

12klbs of fuel remaining with an hour to go. All things considered it should be enough to reach Halifax, but I'm slightly under planned fuel now, and in case I have to go around it'll be cutting it quite close

[rustic charm]

Descending into Halifax

[rustic charm]

That's much better than the last time I 'landed' a 727 at Halifax...

[reef isle]

Nice

I probably had one of my best flights of all time with the JAT 727 in Tivat

[hollow oracle]

pretty crazy stuff

[hollow oracle]

i tried getting VR working in MSFS and something broke because my game decided to run at 5FPS for no explainable reason

so there goes that idea

it said it wouldnt detect my headset, yet its running at 5FPS like something is happening with VR

KSFO is cursed or something, the laste 4-5 flights ive tried heading out of there have been failures

[rustic charm]

Well the 727 is a lovely plane and Tivat is a lovely airport

I honestly love Tivat

There's of course probably something personal too with just how many times I've been there in reality

[rustic charm]

Hopefully I'll reach Europe

[rustic charm]

Forgot to arm altitude and left, didn't go quite as planned

[untold finch]

https://fselite.net/content/golden-key-studio-releases-the-b-52-stratofortress-for-msfs/

Anyone tried this yet?

The SWS one seems to be vapourware at this point

[reef isle]

No I haven't

If you try let me know how it is

[rustic charm]

Well it looks good imo, but I say that almost always. And almost always it's true too, cause getting something to look nice in MSFS is the easiest part lol

[trim harbor]

modern avionics suite would be a blat for it

[hollow oracle]

I love American heavy bombers, but the B-52 is so fucking ugly

Especially the landing gear, it looks like a toddler designed it

[reef isle]

I have to admit I do find the Bear more fascinating, I love myself some stupidity powerful turboprops, but I love the B-52 as well

It's so unique and interesting

I think the US' strategic bombers have probably been the most interesting planes, ever.

Especially from the Peacemaker onwards

B-36, batshit crazy in every way

B-52, really unique and interesting, 8 podded engines, weird landing gear

B-1B swing wing, very powerful, very cool

B2, Tailles flying wing

[untold finch]

B-58 was also really cool, one of the coolest looking aircraft ever made imo

[reef isle]

Absolutely agree

[hollow oracle]

B-17 or bust, honorable mentions to the B-24 and B-29

[reef isle]

Might be a controversial opinion but by that point the tech of the B-17 and -29 was relatively mature and those were relatively "conventional" designs

While right after the start of the jet age you get the totally crazy planes

And even then, the B-2 is still unconventional and very very advanced

But yeah, it lacks a bit of the crazyness that the B-36 and -52 had

[hollow oracle]

cutting edge tech is just prone to breaking, the B-17 was so successful because it was so simple that anyone could fly, operate, and maintain it

the B-24 and B-29 followed suit in that they were a similar concept, just manufacture the shit out of a simple aircraft and you wont have to worry about maintaining them

i also didnt know until recently that the russians made a 1:1 clone of the B-29

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1985761490927042794

unusual_whales (@unusual_whales)

The Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down airspace in certain parts of the country if the government shutdown continues into next week, per US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy

X · Nov 4, 2025, 5:30 PM

i cant wait for simbrief routes to look like russian routes post-invasion

[dusty sky]

Wasn't it like, really bad?

[hollow oracle]

ew, marketplace only

price is okay at least, $40

and the only other option is the developer who i shall not name who starts with an m

[alpine coral]

It's always worked for me
Just pretty laggy

[rustic charm]

Welp, I just set a personal record, 2.5 minutes from load in at Renton to takeoff in a 738 XD

[trail monolith]

When the big jets gives you heavy frame drops so you gotta revert back to classic planes

[hollow oracle]

i really dont prefer modern GA, the glass cockpits in GA stuff is super overwhelming

well, "GA"

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/BNONews/status/1985839795243778159

BNO News (@BNONews)

BREAKING: UPS cargo plane, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11, crashes near Louisville International Airport in Kentucky

X · Nov 4, 2025, 10:41 PM

not to sound tone deaf, but im pretty sad that its an MD-11 crash

its on the approach end of 35L

engine fire on takeoff, couldnt climb out

not what you want to see the MD-11 trending for ☹️

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1985844748431790453

Flightradar24 (@flightradar24)

Imagery from the @WLKY helicopter feed appears to show a piece of engine cowling on the runway, damage to nearby building, as well as the massive fire caused by the crash in Louisville.

https://t.co/91twrqGbZc

X · Nov 4, 2025, 11:00 PM

large pieces of engine cowling on the runway as well

it was almost definitely an uncontained engine failure, but obviously the cause is unknown

[untold finch]

Grim.

[hollow oracle]

||https://x.com/BNONews/status/1985882088105758962||

holy shit

[hollow oracle]

||https://x.com/BNODesk/status/1985911223506932040||

[reef isle]

RIP

[hollow oracle]

It kind of sucks, because flying a UPS MD-11 out of Louisville sounds like a fun flight right now, but it’s kind of fucked up to do that so close to a tragedy like that

[full plank]

when that heli accident happened in DC ages ago it didn't take long before someone loaded up as the rescue heli on vatsim 💀

[hollow oracle]

Sometimes is kind of hard to play a flight sim at the same time as tragedies just because of the recency bias, I did a few flights with the E-jets out of DCA after that mid-air collision just because I was thinking about both a lot

I feel like if you aren’t simulating that specific flight it’s not problematic or anything

[full plank]

I personally have no issue playing sim games after like accidents or anything

I don't shy away from games like ETS2 just because I hit a fence in the real world either

sure you got some fucked up individuals who loads up with the accident flight numbers & callsigns but nah

I just continue my regular flying schedule

not that I'd wanna simulate driving the truck I drove on the day that I hit a fence either

[hollow oracle]

What really annoys the shit out of me is how people don’t know that the DC-10 is not the MD-11

I literally saw one person on Reddit claim that the MD-11 had a worse safety record than the DC-10

There have been 5 fatal accidents in the MD-11 leading to 244 total deaths (not counting today)
vs
12 fatal accidents in the DC-10, leading to 1,261 deaths

And yes, both AAL191 and this incident both had their left engines (seemingly) shear off, but that’s where the similarities end, I would bet all of my life savings that the MD-11 engine pylon did not contribute to this incident at all

[hollow oracle]

Rant over, I just hate how many uninformed people rush to make these grand and extreme opinions from super initial reports and nonsensical or completely incorrect data

[rustic charm]

Tbf the death toll difference between them is quite heavily influenced by the fact that only 3 MD-11 accidents were in passenger service, all the rest (fatal and non-fatal too) were with freighters

And thankfully 2 out of 3 passenger accidents resulted in low tolls as well, it's just Swissair 111 which unfortunately claimed hundreds of lives

And overall I'd say comparing total accidents in order to determine which one has a better safety record is unfair to say the least, because quite many accidents in fact stem either from operations, piloting, weather or any other parameters that aren't the plane itself

[rustic charm]

About this actually, I'm curious about people's opinions: at which point is the "too soon"/"okay" line drawn, if it exists?

For example I would allow myself to fly from New York to Geneva in a Swissair MD-11, and if I do it in accordance with old timetables it'd be SWR111. Or alternatively I would allow myself to fly from Moscow to Kai Tak as AFL593. But the callsigns that had accidents in the more recent years I'd definitely hesitate to use

[full plank]

I think for sim aviation, it just is never okay at all, aside from the fucked up people, the sane people just don’t fly accident callsigns past or present

[runic hare]

The pilots at Ryanair already have a CRM memo about the incident from some of the initial reports

They hit rotate speed when the engine sheered off and continued due to startle

Or that’s what the memo is saying

I wish I could show it to you because it goes into depth into how to avoid it and it’s something 99% of the armchair pilots don’t even know about/consider before posting on Reddit saying “oh yeah I would have just RTO’d it”

[rustic charm]

It's very easy to judge from the couch tbh

The cockpit is an incredibly high stress environment, especially when anything goes wrong. You can't ever react instantly either. Every decimal of a second matters

[runic hare]

The rabbit infestation is back

Last winter we had 5 instances of planes turning them into a fine mist

[trail monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/breaking911/status/1986254239921021042?s=46

Breaking911 (@Breaking911)

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[trail monolith]

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[reef isle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DQudmV1gfFz/
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[rustic charm]

Today is a delivery of an MD-11, tomorrow I'll have to retire one. Will be the first time I fly an airplane to Victorville...

[trail monolith]

Just don't crash it on take off and verify everything is in working conditions

[rustic charm]

Well, that's actually the reason why I'll be retiring it

Thai MD-11 HS-TME, one that I delivered not too long ago via Seoul to Bangkok and then flew to Sydney via Hong Kong, after its passenger service got converted to a freighter and re-registered as N259UP...

Flying that one would be weird

[runic hare]

12.3 is nice

[hollow oracle]

it's interesting that boeing is partnering with MSFS

airbus famously uses toliss aircraft in x-plane as their "official" stuff

[runic hare]

very key difference

I think it was bombardier who had a procedure trainer based off the majestic q400 (that flys nothing like an actual Q400)

as for full sims P3D, XP and FG reign supreme

[hollow oracle]

true, but its (presumably) using asobo models, and id guess is based in the MSFS 2024 core engine

[runic hare]

oh yeah

but these arent meant to test you flying capabilities

"show me a cold and dark startup with APU and ENG2 bleed inop"

"your on the ground, show me the procedure for RFS-B Refuelling"

its gonna be stuff like that

[hollow oracle]

yeah, just an interesting choice to use something like an off-the-shelf product and advertise it

[runic hare]

as far as I know in the boeing sims that Ryanair has they run P3D V3 still

at least in the stansted centre

[hollow oracle]

ive been eyeing up changing from FSX to P3D, but i dont know how directly compatible everything is

[runic hare]

good publicity for everyone involved

boeing get to say "hey look we do cool stuff" and Microsoft get to say "hey look we do real simulator work its not just a game bro"

[hollow oracle]

true, and asobos modelling and graphics are fine i guess

they really just struggle with everything else

[runic hare]

the reason a lot of commercial sims use XP is because you can model pretty much anything to a really high degree of accuracy

[hollow oracle]

true, but as far as i know, airbus is the first one to professionally acknowledge that they use it

[runic hare]

you can simulate pretty much anything happening to any part of an aircraft at any one time

well they use the toliss aircraft for the exact same thing

procedure simulation

for actual airbus sims someone is going to have made something completely custom in planemaker and then installed it on the sim

you cant really do that in MSFS and in P3D it takes ages and many many lookup tables

in FlightGear it can be done but again, 1 billion lookup tables

[trail monolith]

I totally didn't post it 5h before #1165354616993632397 message

[hollow oracle]

[hollow oracle]

isnt it p3dv5 that's the last version of P3D that can directly run FSX products?

if im going to upgrade, odds are im going to get the A2A B-17 with the P3D specific pack, but probably not everything else

and honestly, at this point i might as well just abandon FSX and P3D alltogether and just get MSFS2024 and the microprose B-17, or wait for the khamsin B-17 in XP12

[hollow oracle]

i was cooking with reshade presets a bit and got it looking 'ery noice

my biggest issue with xplane graphics was that it looked kind of flat and not very deep, so i managed to fix that with some simple levels/curves/color adjustment

the cockpit looks a little dark, but that might be accurate

cabin looks good too

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL-BGyHAEaw

did someone ask about the B-52?

take a look at this

should give you a decent idea about it

this looks horrible, I'm am confident that's not how it looked at all

and it's just a gross oversemplification using default systems

[hollow oracle]

Not the Boeing ND tinted green 😭 😭 😭 😭

No documentation?????

[hollow oracle]

Am I going insane, why did discord do this

[trail monolith]

Huuuuuuuuuuh

[reef isle]

what the actual fuck

[dusty sky]

ok idk what happened last time I flew the 787 but it's maintaining altitude now

[nimble sphinx]

Apparently it's a known glitch on mobile

[hollow oracle]

i found the original video if you want that i guess, it was from another server, i had started playing it and moved channels and apparently that broke it

anyway, plane

[echo gorge]

I should've archived this channel immediately after you posted this, it could be the next mad dog gif

[dusty sky]

I'm gonna send this to my cousin on his birthday

[hollow oracle]

i dont know what it is with my controls recently, but it feels like theyre extremely touchy in xplane

like, if i pick the nose up just a little bit on takeoff, the nose rockets up hard

ive tried playing around with control curves, but i still havent figured it out

the x-crafts ejets also have this fun habit of disengaging the autothrottle at random points and throttling back to idle

[reef isle]

Yeah that's probably the issue then

Stop changing them and get used to it

I've met a few people flying formation aerobatics that would never stop changing their curves and because of that they'd never actually improve

Get them sort of "whatever, good enough", get used to them, and once you've used them enough to the point where you can pin point more or less exactly how and why you want to change them, change them 🙂

I haven't touched my curves in MSFS and Xplane in years

I just have the default in Xplane and linear in MSFS

I used to have a negative curve for the Fenix before they changed the flight model months (years?) ago

[hollow oracle]

this is my issue, i havent figured out one that's good yet

[reef isle]

I guess I can try and help you out?

When you apply a curve you're trading off precision with big stick movements for precision around the center, i.e. around the center = big real stick movements result in small plane stick movement, opposite at the extremes

so for example a huge curve might hinder your ability to rotate properly

[hollow oracle]

my issue is moreso trying to figure out my settings while also doing regular flights

i really should just sit down and do touch-and-gos until i get it figured out

[reef isle]

Oh right, just keep in mind that sometimes it can be that what you actually want is the opposite of what you think you want.

Let's say that you are struggling to land precisely, you think "I'll increase my curve, that'll give me more precision around the center" but actually having to do such big stick movements is what's causing your difficulty, if you're moving your stick all over the place to do what are actually small corrections, not only you're losing out on lots of resolution if you end up being badly trimmed or need to do big corrections, but It'll actually hinder you in the center as well, because (it's hard to describe), but the bigger the movement you have to do, the more chance you have to mess it up, overshoot or undershoot

Although maybe I'm taking this a little too seriously for airliner flying 🙃

[hollow oracle]

i dont know, its almost like too much of a curve and if i cross that spike up in the curve its an issue, but too little of a curve and its very choppy and sensitive

it doesnt help that the controls in xplane snap back instantly too, so if you let off pressure on your stick for even a microsecnd to adjust your grip a bit, it messes up everything

[reef isle]

Oof yeah that seems pretty steep

I think that initial slope is a little too flat

Roll seems more ok

Yeah so I imagine rotation would be right around that "knee"

Which would feel horrible

[hollow oracle]

should pitch be long and flat then?

fine control until you get really close to the edge of the input?

it honestly feels like i should just set a ceiling for the controls more than anything

[reef isle]

Yeah that's a good shout

Maybe try something like this?

It's still linear, but with less slope, until you get near to the edge

Not sure if you can on Xplane

Oh wait, is this the entire curve?

Kinda like that

You definitely don't need the "S" shape

[hollow oracle]

the only issue is that XP11 doesnt give you the option for that, its only S-shapes

linear is genuinely the closest you can get to that

[reef isle]

Uh alright, and that is definitely half of the curve right (i.e. just pull)

At that point you might be better off just with the normal "default" curve settings tbh

The "control response" sliders

[hollow oracle]

ive already played around with those, they dont seem to do much

i did have them set on the wrong half, but after playing around with it, it doesnt feel like it does much

[reef isle]

Oh right

Give me a sec

I'll boot up xplane

Or actually no

Too late sorry haha

[hollow oracle]

you use actual hardware though, no?

[reef isle]

Yes?

I have a proper flight stick

I'm sure you do as well right?

Or an I misremembering?

[hollow oracle]

i have one, but i dont use it just because its a pain to set up, same with my yoke (but i also dont have rudder pedals, so taxiing in MSFS is impossible)

[reef isle]

Ooooooooooh

Oh

So you want curves for an Xbox controller?

Or like, a gamepad?

[hollow oracle]

yeah, pretty much

[reef isle]

Aaaaaah right

[hollow oracle]

which i seem to be in the minorty when it comes to that

[reef isle]

Then I think you'll probably have to accept a bit of a rough rotation

If you want to have any hope of flying with enough precision

It might be a little sketchy, but you could take off with a bit more nose up trim

That should help you limit how much control deflection you need

How much I've no idea, experiment 🙂

And always make sure you're in trim so that you're always working around the center of the stick

I get lazy sometimes especially during the approach, big speed changes and configuration changes mess your trim up, having linear curves that doesn't really affect me (besides tiring my arm )

You can't afford to do that

[hollow oracle]

its funny, i think flying the A2A B-17 in FSX messed with my brain enough, the controls in that are extremely heavy but extremely stable, so flying that for a few hours and then going back into xplane might be tripping me up

or really just FSX in general, but even then, my control curve for FSX is default

[reef isle]

Yeah could be that, the planes I fly in FSX feel like they require a lot of stick travel to do anything at all

Which is definitely not the case in MSFS, in Xplane depends on the plane

[hollow oracle]

i really dont feel like setting up an aircraft just to test out my controls right now

at least this isnt something that upgrading can fix, the control set up between sims is identical

I also don’t really want to fly the e-jets right now, so I have to find a new flight to get me excited to fly again

[hollow oracle]

I also had a shit ton of Italian food for dinner and I am seconds away from going into a Garfield coma, not ideal conditions to fly in

[trail monolith]

Play some Battlefield six if you own it

[hollow oracle]

If I could afford battlefield 6, I would already be on the latest versions of XP12 and MSFA 2024

Though, I did just re-download call of duty WW2 on my laptop

[dusty sky]

does simbrief give the centre of gravity?

[mint whale]

WE ARE SO BACK BABY

[mint whale]

no.

[trim harbor]

lmao i thought that too

[trim harbor]

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[rustic charm]

ini updated Honolulu to 2024 and for once it's a free update

[rustic charm]

So apparently both UPS and FedEx grounded all MD-11s now

[hollow oracle]

I’ve been following this for a super long time, but I’ve never actually tried it

It seems like so fucking much to learn for a really specific thing, in a really specific simulator, for a really specific point in time

I do like how they simulate everything since mercury though, the real missions themselves kind of act like a tutorial because that’s how they did it IRL

[hollow oracle]

the apollo guidance computer is also really, really fucking awesome

[hollow oracle]

i havent flown the 777F in a bit

though that doesnt help me, i have my controls figured out in MSFS

[hollow oracle]

what the fuck did i find

there's a place in new mexico called elephant butte

and the airport there is named truth or consequences

and it has 8 billion runways

[rustic charm]

Truth or consequences a town in NM there too

[hollow oracle]

you know what would really be funny, i switched controllers from my cheap xbox one knockoff to my real xbox one controller recently, and i wonder if the old one was actually better

i also learned a really good tip, look towards the end of the runway when keeping on the centerline during takeoff and landing

you're more inclined to make unneeded rapid inputs if you focus towards the nose, which i suffer from pretty bad xd

quick & easy flight to get my foot back in the door

plus my first time flying out of el paso

[hollow oracle]

autothrottle does not want to behave it seems, so it looks like this is going to be an interesting landing

that was not a fun go around and landing

i dont know why simbrief gives me way too little fuel too, mid-flight i was getting fuel insufficient warnings, and i could not have done another go-around without running out

[hollow oracle]

here's a question i should be asking too, at rotate, do you need to pick up the nose right then and there, or can you wait a few seconds to get a smooth rotation?

i think thats something else i might struggle with, i hear "rotate" and my mind is like "NOSE UP NOW PULL BACK UNTIL IT HAPPENS"

and my rotate speed might be off, so i might be trying to pull up just before i actually can, and by the time im at the "real" rotation speed the aircraft just shoots up

good takeoff in the ixeg 737

[rustic charm]

Well of course you can't achieve the desired pitch instantly

You start rotating at Vr

I think normal rotation rate is around 3 degrees per second

Of course doesn't necessarily have to be exactly that, you can't achieve the exact same value every time

But should be something along the lines of that

Go significantly higher than that and you're risking a tailstrike, go significantly lower than that and you're eating into calculation margins (so generally you should have enough space remaining to take off even while rotating at 1 degree per second, but if you're slightly heavier than expected, getting a bit less headwind than expected, and start rotating slightly late... well you won't have the space to take off)

[hollow oracle]

i guess the E-jets just fly that way, they are small, but i didnt think they were so small that they would be really twitchy like that

[hollow oracle]

i think part of my issue is that i rotate a little bit, and the nose doesnt move, so i rotate even more to try to get it to lift up earlier than it wants to

[reef isle]

You should move your stick back and start to rotate the aircraft, how fast depends on the plane, I think generally it's about 3°/s

[hollow oracle]

i feel rushed to get off of the ground when i hear rotate, which really, really, really isnt the case in an E-jet at most airports because of how large the runways are

i feel like i need to work on just moving the stick back a tiny bit, and just holding it there until the aircraft starts moving itself

it wouldnt surprise me if the reason this only seems to happen with the e-jets is because the takeoff calculator might be off a bit too

though it handles extremely twitchy in flight too, so i really dont know why its doing what its doing

[rustic charm]

After a bit of a scary moment in Edinburgh and then some problems and a subsequent diversion to Glasgow, and then a very bad landing in Glasgow, I'm at least on the ground.

[hollow oracle]

forgot to change versions of KLAX, this version is horrible

[mint whale]

who wants to see the moon? :D

[rustic charm]

That's beautiful

[agile oak]

Hekaté <3

[mint whale]

the view of the moon at my seat :D

contrails at the far end

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJLylZXuWU

this is a circus of the worst pilots, the worst controller, and the worst circumstances i think i have ever seen

[hollow oracle]

this is the one thing i cant stand with xplane ground graphics

all of the shortlines are like pacific islands bright blue

especially on inland water

[hollow oracle]

its probably due to the fact that its downtown LA, there's probably some scenery conflict that means its only using default terrain stuff, because one i got out of downtown its looking like proper autoortho now

[hollow oracle]

tried doing an RNAV landing and it ended horribly

for some reason it wouldnt descend, VNAV kept disconnecting on the approach and it put me like 2,000ft high

apparently its all manual? in the -300 at least

you do actually have to fly vertical speed mode apparently

yeah, it looks like the entire final descent and approach is mostly done without VNAV, its all manual speed and vertical speed mode

[hollow oracle]

i love flying with live traffic

[alpine coral]

Real

[hollow oracle]

okay, im not doing RNAV approaches

i tried again, and for some reason vertical speed mode locked itself out just after the final approach point, and the aircraft would just not slow down

it doesnt help that i chose probably the worst RNAV approach to learn on in history

[hollow oracle]

airspeed and not keeping up with the altitude was my fault, but on final approach you need to wait until the aircraft says altitude hold, and then from there you manually turn the vertical speed wheel without enabling V/S mode, and apparently that works (i was trying to hit the V/S button, which immediately turned itself off)

and then apparently once you're back on vertical speed under the selected altitude, you can move it up to your missed approach altitude

[hollow oracle]

its extremely decieving, KOACH is only 13.4NM from the runway threshold, and KOACH is at 8000ft, and the final approach point is only 10NM later at 5000ft

so you have to be set up well in advance on the arrival apparently

I’ll try it again tomorrow, as they say, 5th times the charm

[hollow oracle]

After some research, apparently this is intentional. The V/S button is the “mode”, the aircraft sees your trying to go into vertical speed mode to get to the altitude you’re already at, and it’s like “what are you doing, this makes no sense”. Spinning the V/S wheel tells it to descend regardless of the altitude set, which is not what the vertical speed mode button is

It’s borderline insanity, but that’s kind of par for the course with Boeing

I also think I just need to be set up for approach waaaay earlier than i think I should too, especially speed

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure that's how VS functions on every plane

If you're already at your altitude, VS mode won't deviate from it

[hollow oracle]

Idk, in my brain the VS wheel is only there to control the vertical speed mode and nothing else, so the fact that it works without being in vertical speed mode is weird to me

[rustic charm]

That's fair tbh

Guess I'm just more used to that with the MD-11

[rustic charm]

Default airports, painful

I'll probably end up getting Don Mueang, Narita and Gimpo paywares to act as my key points in Asia

(Plus there's good freeware Kai Tak)

[reef isle]

Yeah isn't that how it works on every plane?

[reef isle]

I wouldn't do that

I would rather set the MDA on the altitude window

Not sure if that would go against some SOPs

But I'd feel a lot safer like that

[reef isle]

It's the same in the A320

You first spin the V/S knob, and then click it or pull it

I think?

I haven't flown the A320 in a long time

[rustic charm]

I think so too, but not too sure

I mean, you can first pull it, then spin

Doesn't really matter

Second to last flight done

[reef isle]

oh right

interesting

[hollow oracle]

The idea is the same as an ILS landing, where once the glide slope mode takes over you set the altitude bug to your missed approach altitude, so you don’t need to do anything when you’re already task saturated

Doing that with the MDA leaves you pretty low to configure that to your missed approach altitude (even if it’s an RNAV approach with high minimums)

[reef isle]

Yeah it would add workload to the go around

But seems better than having the autopilot stupidly follow a vertical speed until you hit the ground

I think the UPS A300 that crashed while doing a non precision approach had the SOPs in the final report

I'll see what they used

[rustic charm]

Tbh I'm not sure with RNAV

I'm quite certain with ILS you indeed set the goaround altitude

But with ILS you're tracking a beam

[reef isle]

Oh welp

[reef isle]

Looks like that's exactly what happened to the UPS crew

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it was basically that

The pilots suffered from fatigue and misinterpreted the PFD indications (which was showing they were too low, but they thought they were too high)

And essentially while doing the approach procedure they just flew into the ground like that

[hollow oracle]

yeah, its not the best way to do it, and its probably why non-VNAV approaches are heavily discouraged if its possible to do them

[reef isle]

They way I read that is that if you want to do the dive-and-drive you would (almost by definition) stop at that altitude so you'd put that in the FMA

[hollow oracle]

5th times the charm

im going to be right on top of the speed and altitude this time, and im going to try the alt hold vertical speed wheel thing

i might play around with it in cruise a bit, enabling alt hold and then seeing if i can descend that way

i tried it on the climb out, but it didnt work quite like i expected

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVargBsnN_U

idk, this guy sets it all the way down to 0, and flies vertical speed that way, which i guess would work

huh, yeah, i sort of get it

the aircraft sees you set an altitude above you, and then its like "okay, here's vertical speed mode, select how quick you want to get there", and it just doesnt care if you ascend or descend

but its important that you actually select an altitude above you, otherwise it wont work becaues its just going to hold the selected altitude

or you could select an altitude below you, either works, but selecting one above you gives you the option to select the missed approach altitude and have that set up

[reef isle]

Ugh

Set to 0 is super sketchy

Below MDA you've got to go manual anyway once you see the runway

No point in letting the aircraft go any lower by itself, UNLESS, as you said, you want to have the go around altitude in the FMA and thus just letting it descend in V/S mode (which in actuality would behave the same as though you had 0 in your altitude window, but you don't even have the advantage of less workload in case of G/A)

I've never done that with the classic

I've always done the go around altitude just because I never landed it in bad visibility (hence no need for the dive and drive)

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-rainn-wilson-dwight-schrute-fist-pump-yes-gif-5101957

i actually did it

i did exactly as i should have done too, i kept right on top of the speed and altitude, the only thing i should have probably done is changed to the final vertical speed mode a little earlier, i did it pretty late and it tripped me up a bit

[hollow oracle]

i found a pretty neat conversion of the aeroplane heaven B-17 for MSFS 2020

pretty basic, but most gauges and flight controls work, even the startup sequence is animated fully (but not interactive)

handles pretty well, takeoff was pretty accurate to what im used to as well

[rustic charm]

Destination: Victorville, California, USA

[rustic charm]

And MSFS crashed

Even the game itself doesn't want me to fly to Victorville

(Or it could've had something to do with the fact I was simultaneously running MSFS and F1 25...)

[runic hare]

Warsaw airport has a massive amount of Chinese plastic plane tat

It’s quite cool

[rustic charm]

Oh cool

[rustic charm]

Sunrise on the way to Victorville

[rustic charm]

I'm over land now

[rustic charm]

Welp, I can see it

[rustic charm]

Well, that's it then

[hollow oracle]

apparently the felis 747-200F is extremely close to being finished

and there's something like a 90% discount if you own the original felis 742, its only $10 to get the freighter variant

[runic hare]

It’s 25 after a week but yeah 10 for launch I think

Includes a more modern flight deck as well

[rustic charm]

When a 747-200 for MSFS 😢

PMDG didn't have any news on their 74s in a while did they

[full plank]

they did not

[runic hare]

https://youtu.be/v0PwuDKhFQU?si=NhcZFCKr6KobEQc9

[dusty sky]

So will it have the CRT screens?

[echo gorge]

Honestly super cool that felis finally made it, and that discount is great

[dusky leaf]

Those sounds ❤️

[dusty sky]

Does the passenger variant only have the JT9D?

[hollow oracle]

yeah

there's a cool mod on the xplane forums that adds (visual, doesnt change anything else with physics or systems) rolls royce engines for BAW versions

[dusty sky]

I swear there was also a variant with the cf6

[hollow oracle]

huh, you would be correct, i didnt know that existed

[dusty sky]

I know because I was looking at air France ones on planespotter. net and they had GE listed in the engines

Is there perhaps a visual mod of that as well

[hollow oracle]

i couldnt find any air france liveries for the cf6s

[rustic charm]

A quick hop over to ULLI now

[dusty sky]

When will Fenix add the A318

[rustic charm]

I'm not sure they will

I think even freighters are more likely than 318s

[hollow oracle]

ngl, im feeling like doing a flight in the felis with the default xplane FMC, or learning the LTN-92

i like the CIV-A, but ngl its a pain in the ass to create flight plans and set that all up, its definitely the top reason why i don't fly the felis most of the time

i feel like using the xplane FMC is cheating though

[dusty sky]

I'm still surprised that flight crews didn't get lost with the CIV-A

[hollow oracle]

with the right paperwork and flight planning, the CIVA is great

youd be surprised how far you can get with 9 waypoints

[dusty sky]

Lmao

[hollow oracle]

you can easily get from JFK to LAX with just 9 about 100nm apart

crossing the pond takes a little more, but you only need to reload your waypoints once over the atlantic

[dusty sky]

Holy shit I haven't flown to lax

[hollow oracle]

fixing drift is a pain in the ass though, ive had to do it a few times and it is not fun, but it does give you something to do in cruise i guess

easily the worst part by far is flight planning though, because you have to do it mostly by hand, and the VOR arrival/departure is almost extinct, so you can't use them for the most part

[dusty sky]

I can imagine that being fun

What airports even use VOR dep/arr anymore

[hollow oracle]

not many

[dusty sky]

I swear there's a SID at Heathrow that uses VOR's

[rustic charm]

Quite a lot of conventional SIDs and STARs still exist tbf

I doubt they'll be used much, but they can be

Most of the major airports I've flown to have options for those

The only one I can think of off the top of my head that only has RNAV arrivals and departures is Sheremetyevo, but considering the Soviet mindset, back in the day it probably would've been manual vectoring of the traffic

(Plus I'm pretty sure until 1980, which is the introduction of the Il-86, every single airliner in the USSR had a navigator as a crew member)

[full plank]

taking the RJ for a spin in FS24

[hollow oracle]

the LTN-92 is essentially a CIVA unit but you can input waypoint names instead of coordinates

still not capable of doing depatures/arrivals

apparently you can input it manually, which sounds like hell, and it doesnt do airways either

airways dont really matter 99.9% of the time anyway, you can just input the start/end waypoints and still follow the plan extremely closely

[runic hare]

Yarp

[reef isle]

https://statsim.net/flights/flight/?flightid=25444358
I think today I did one of my "best", but certainly the hardest VATSIM flight so far

and the crazy thing is, I didn't actually bother doing much planning (which ended up in me having to cheat and magically refuel) because of that after having to restart my engines a couple of times 😛

JF Vulcan, take off from Goose Bay, high altitude TACAN/VOR only navigation, then low level entry, low level flying and navigation (I intended to only do dead reckoning, but failed because it was just too much workload, so I often cross checked with the real time navigraph position), drop a dummy nuclear bomb on top of a training airfield (well, not really because MSFS), low level exit, then climb again towards goose bay, start descending to do a normal approach when the controller (ABSOLUTE LEGEND, that so far very graciously accommodated all my weird flying), ASKS ME (again, the absolute legend) to do a hi-tacan approach, but before that a normal A319 needs to land, so good old VOR/clock based hold above the airport at FL200, then hi tacan with god awful weather and without a working navaid (thanks MSFS), so cross checking with a different VOR (not the actual tacan) and Navigraphs' real time position, SOMEHOW I manage to descend and manage to see the runway lights in time (no idea how), somehow land (with a dead engine because for some reason the fuel drained unevenly - probably set some fuel pumps wrong).

about 3h, 100% hand flown
not my best flying by any stretch of the imagination
definitely not +/-5° HDG and +/-100ft, let's say that...

but just the simple fact that I managed to stay ahead of the aircraft and the situation IN SPITE of my god awful planning, bad weather and VATSIM just made this very special, my very sloppy flying and the sketchiness of the whole thing ended up not mattering really at the end hahah.

I really want to get skilled enough to do this properly, it'll not be easy, but flying /A wasn't easy when I started and now it's just another boring flight, so I'm hopeful I'll get the hang of this

VATSIM Technicalities: because I'm not in a VSOA, this flight technically started as IFR, then asked to descend below (and outside) controlled airspace, and asked IFR cancellation, then did whatever I wanted as VFR, then got back into controlled airspace and asked for a new IFR cleareance one airborne to go back to the airfield 😄

I normally don't write out reports of my flying or ramble like this because I figured nobody cares, but this time it was really special, so even if I'm just talking to a wall I wanted to share it, none of this would have happened without this legend, the first controller ever that not only accomodates /A military flying (which would be amazing in and of itself), but encouraged me to do more bizarre and obsure stuff

[dusky leaf]

Folk who like flight simming are quite likely to enjoy flightsim adventure stories

[hollow oracle]

i love when the game crashes, and you're just left staring at your monitor like

https://tenor.com/view/computer-old-man-my-computer-delete-my-computer-delete-gif-12348422

i love flying aircraft where im the only one flying the type on both volanta and vatsim

[echo gorge]

Most American airports still have radio sids and stars as options

[trim harbor]

Flight 1/3

[hollow oracle]

I didn’t know they made flight simulators into a real thing

Is that based on MSFS or Xplane?

[trim harbor]

Frankfurt takes the piss again

Waiting one hour (still) for my bag

Actual piss airport

[runic hare]

Marabu my beloved

[trim harbor]

Kinda random airline

Idek who owns it or operates itü

[runic hare]

I like Marabu

Cool livery

They are there own company

Kinda a Heston airlines type thing

Part owned by Nordica

[trim harbor]

T7 time

[runic hare]

Hot

[trim harbor]

@runic hare its worse than I imagined

[runic hare]

Oh dear

I thought air China was alr

[trim harbor]

Nah man itd dirty af

The ife is broke

It‘s gonna be a rough 9 hours

[runic hare]

ph

ouch

[rustic charm]

Could you say something along the lines of "Yeah, but I'd like to work in a team with NoOne"?

[rustic charm]

That's dirty

Although I'd say my expectations in terms of dirt are offset by the fact that Aeroflot is always spotless clean

[dusty sky]

What engines do the Qantas 787's have?

[full plank]

GEnx

[dusty sky]

Thanks

[dusty sky]

Will the xplane 707 have all variants

[runic hare]

JT3D and the -120B

shame i would love to see a -320/420

it might be a -320B

not 120

[dusty sky]

JTD3D would be funny

Someone doing a flight on vatsim and almost overrunning

Nvm wrong fucking engine

[trim harbor]

It was terrible

[rustic charm]

Congrats on it being over then!

[trim harbor]

Just wait till I get to the return

I fear for my life

[rustic charm]

How much did it cost?

[trim harbor]

350€ return p.p

[rustic charm]

Tbf at least not expensive

[trim harbor]

Yeah but I dont think ai‘ll do it again

Flew over russia though which was cool

Toobad we flew by moscow at night and abit too far away

[rustic charm]

Tbf you would just see a bit of light in the clouds, it was all overcast yesterday iirc

[runic hare]

I like this new volanta feature

[dusty sky]

Uh

Yeah

That's new for sure

[rustic charm]

I agree, it's kinda cool

[dusty sky]

why won't the plane start

[hollow oracle]

Is that the default -400?

[dusty sky]

sparky

it's never started for me

[hollow oracle]

Close the fuel cross feeds on the overhead panel

It should be tank-to-engine

[dusty sky]

I'm gonna crash out

that just fucking did it

[hollow oracle]

That shouldn’t stop the engines from starting IRL, but it does in the sparky, which is just one of the many, many, many, many reasons why I hate that entire addon

Good luck flying realistically, it overshoots altitudes by a few thousand feet

[dusty sky]

oh that's fun

[rustic charm]

That sounds really bad

The only advice I can give for that is try to go for VS/FLCH then, if VNAV is that screwed

[dusty sky]

how to I insert oceanic waypoints?

[runic hare]

for 40N045W it would be 4045N

[dusty sky]

1834N12122E

what about this

[runic hare]

round

[dusty sky]

what

[rustic charm]

Round it up, yeah

[runic hare]

or use closest

18E12

thats where you are

[dusty sky]

ok so ignoring that it pitches up whenever V/S or FLCH is on when you turn on autopilot, the plane seems fine

[rustic charm]

Seattle to Sitka in a 727 done now

Can't wait until we have a 734 as well so the gang can be all back together

(Well technically I'd still be missing a 737 max of some sort but I don't like those cockpits and don't really plan to buy one)

Ah, right, a 732 would be missing of course...

I wonder if we'll ever get one in MSFS

[dusty sky]

vatsim on X-plane is more fun than on msfs imma be real

[runic hare]

How so?

[full plank]

Ngl its the same experience

[dusty sky]

I can see liveries

more colours for my adhd brain

[full plank]

You get the same with shit like FSLTL js

[trim harbor]

I was gonna say

Whats different

[runic hare]

XCSL and BluebellCSL are lacking considerably in modern aircraft and airlines compared to FTSL

3 liveries for the A359

and the A35K doesnt exist

[dusky leaf]

Model matching is terrible

Especially for ga

[runic hare]

nah you can get some pretty good GA stuff as single downloads

https://forums.x-plane.org/files/category/12-xsb-csl-kits/

[rustic charm]

Cozy

Gonna do a short ferry flight to Hamburg

[runic hare]

im in love with the x-codr KDEN

incredible looking scenery

[reef isle]

Absolutely based

Love the A310, so sad that ini and MS forgot about it

I should fly it more, I haven't flown it in ages

[rustic charm]

It's a bit of a pain to fly on keyboard (has a couple quirks, basically all ini aircraft have them, should be all resolved with proper hardware) but it's so neat

I wish Asobo could remember it exists

Give us the -200s, the freighters, and the PWs

Like honestly

I could overlook if they just missed JT9s

I don't think too many A310s had those

But no PW4000s?

Such a shame

With other content we're at least getting them later, while the A310 will most likely never be expanded...

[hollow oracle]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F4444HM?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

[rustic charm]

Tbf I'm pretty set on getting some dedicated flight sim controls sometime in January

Or well, I'm even quite set on what exactly I plan to get - a winwing/thrustmaster sidestick and honeycomb bravo for throttles

[alpine coral]

Bravo is goated
Trust

[dusty sky]

Can someone get the A310 and unplug their stick midflight...

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so the visibility isn't great

[rustic charm]

Does anyone know where DHC-6s are built

[reef isle]

As of November 2007, 40 firm orders and 10 options had been taken and a new final assembly plant was established in Calgary, Alberta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-6_Twin_Otter

[rustic charm]

So Calgary

Delivering those is gonna be interesting...

[reef isle]

De Havilland Field is an announced aircraft production facility in Wheatland County, Alberta to replace the previous sites including the one at Downsview Airport. The new facility is to be built just east of Cheadle. The facility will initially manufacture the DHC-515 fire-fighting aircraft; the DHC-6 Twin Otter and the Dash 8-400 will also be assembled at De Havilland Field once production resumes.[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada

[rustic charm]

It'd have what, maybe 3 hours of endurance when empty?

So to deliver one to Vladivostok...

[dusty sky]

fly to alaska

simple

[reef isle]

Depending on when the plane was built it changes

What registration are you planning to fly?

[rustic charm]

I could probably take Calgary - Winnipeg - Ottawa - Goose Bay - Nuuk - Keflavik - Glasgow - Stansted - Kaliningrad - Moscow (probably Zhukovsky) - Yekaterinburg - Novosibirsk - Irkutsk - Blagoveshchensk - Vladivostok

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Uh

[rustic charm]

RA-67284 or RA-67285

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Why not just fly through Alaska?

[rustic charm]

Alaska isn't such an easy crossing

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Or are there not enough airports

[rustic charm]

Even Cold Bay to Petropavlovsk would be around 6 hours in a jet

Constant eastbound winds don't help either

[reef isle]

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aurora/De-Havilland-Canada-Viking-DHC-6-400-Twin-Otter/5343509?qsp=eJwtjLEKAkEMBf8ltRYiWFynFpYqyBV2IfvQw9NdkoAux/27cbEbZmAmkvxyfPxSC6gjA6vcaUGFlZ9G3UQP1HfWFEz75aG/nqNaVt/VMIkdWxEUR/r7oyboL8GkjW4xXgVAT41pvQmfBisjtwech5Hm%2BQsgly5T

Well it was in California at one point

It was used as demonstrator by DeHavilland Canada I think?

[rustic charm]

Tbf in California it probably just did some promotional stuff or whatever, they definitely wouldn't deliver it through Hawaii

[rustic charm]

Also btw, is it even accurate to the one we have in FS24? Like is it the same generation?

[reef isle]

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8232159

[rustic charm]

Hmm, Iqaluit

[reef isle]

285 passed through Ilaquit on its delivery flight

[rustic charm]

That means to Greenland

But not through St. Johns

[reef isle]

https://www.twinotterworldnews.com/news-2014

So probably final assembly in Calgary "proper" (not some other airfield)

Then Spokane for painting, then came back, flew around the area (I guess for certification?) then got delivered via Iqualit

That's all I can find for S/N 908

If you have more time look around

I gtg now

[reef isle]

No idea

Sorry

Haha

[rustic charm]

Well it's stated as a -400 so the newest one I think

Which quite likely is what they made for FS

Also what about otters on floats? I kinda wanna deliver one to the Maldives as well

[rustic charm]

So probably will do this but also add Iqaluit before Nuuk

Oh well, cancel all that, FS24 is the DHC 6-300

Different plen

At least the Maldivian ones are -300s

[runic hare]

flown with wheels, floats fitted at Malé

[rustic charm]

Oh, neat

[runic hare]

or india somewhere

I can't quite remember

it was in an Airliner World article a few years ago

[rustic charm]

I wonder if I'll be able to just use the livery as it is but on the wheeled version? Probably not tbf

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air france didn't fly 747-400's to Princess Juliana did they?

[runic hare]

no just -300's

and -200's

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so I made it to princess juliana

but engine 3 won't turn off

[rustic charm]

Time for a fun landing

Think I'll make it

Ohhh I forgot to enable live time and weather...

That's more like it. Idk why MSFS started defaulting it to off

[rustic charm]

Ah right how could I forget, even with live weather MSFS doesn't know what a wet/contaminated runway means

Are there actually any addons for weather? Something that would improve accuracy

[hollow oracle]

https://fixvx.com/airwaysmagazine/status/1990005627998150672?s=20

Airways Magazine (@airwaysmagazine)

🔴 Samaritan’s Purse has officially bid farewell to its iconic DC-8 in Greensboro, which delivered more than 9 million pounds of relief on 217 global missions, including a rapid deployment to Ecuador after the 2016 earthquake.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 16, 2025, 10:34 AM

doing humanitarian flights like that sounds pretty fun ngl

[agile oak]

F

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[rustic charm]

So that's it

No more DC-8s...

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Well no

But you have to go to the DRC to see them

[rustic charm]

I'm pretty sure Samaritan's Purse was the only flying one?

Tbf those in Africa could be flying or not, it's hard to actually know the status

Especially considering their operator most likely has a very irregular unscheduled service

[echo gorge]

Sad to see it go, Samaritans' purse is a pretty shitty relief org though, bunch of bigoted pricks

[hollow oracle]

I saw “helping in jesus’ name” and instantly knew that it would be extremely hit-or-miss (heavily weighted to miss)

[echo gorge]

I've got an aunt who's pretty heavily involved with them unfortunately

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I need that emoji bro 😭

[rustic charm]

Decided that this plane was sitting unused for too long

So I'm flying it from one Caribbean island to another XD

[hollow oracle]

is it just me or has volanta tracking gotten significantly worse

it takes up SO MUCH memory, and it cuts corners in my flight path sometimes

i dont know what happened for it to say i did the turn after TRUKN, because the autopilot was right ontop of it

[hollow oracle]

departed 25 minutes late, and im going to end up 5 minutes early

[hollow oracle]

in this house we love bucket reversers

[rustic charm]

I wonder when we'll see an official L-1011 announcement from ini

Cause iirc they mentioned in the discord that it might even be this year. At this point I think it won't, there's just under 2 months left and it wasn't even properly announced yet, but that means it is progressing nicely

[hollow oracle]

I don’t know much about the L-1011, but it’s kind of weird that they chose that after all of the Airbusses they’ve made, and they’re progressing this fast with it?

[rustic charm]

Well, usually older planes are simpler to make

You don't need all the modern computer stuff

Plus I think it was in development for a while

[hollow oracle]

True I guess, but alternatively, you need to model all of the physical controls for the older systems

[rustic charm]

They posted an instagram story teasing it over a year ago

[hollow oracle]

The L-1011 was pretty advanced, but still had a full flight engineers position

I’m not complaining at all though, the L-1011 and B-17 are going to be the tipping point for me to upgrade sims ngl

[rustic charm]

And tbf, the choice of the L-1011 for one of their teams is sensible, cause they have to do something

ini's Airbus lineup is probably more or less complete

They have the A380 in development, the A350 and the A306 are released

They've done A330s, A320s and the A310 for Asobo and probably have a contract that's stopping them from redoing those on their own

The A343 is also released

Really their only options would be to go for older A300s, and idk if that's sensible because JF are already doing the A3B4, or for the different A340 veriants. And as for those, there's a ToLiss 346 in development, the A340-500 is a bit niche and too much work to make out of a -300, and in regards to the -200 they said "Does anyone even want that?"

Meanwhile the L-1011 is probably the most-liked trijet and I reckon the most-asked-for older plane

[rustic charm]

Finally returning the plane to its home

[runic hare]

This is my life 90% of the time lmao

[reef isle]

Hopefully soon

Still waiting for them to unghost me

[rustic charm]

They still haven't? Lol

[runic hare]

SP reg

Terrible news for today

Polish specific operations and we aren’t even flying to fucking Poland

[rustic charm]

Do operations significantly vary?

Also by 'terrible news' I assume Polish regs are a pain to work on

[rustic charm]

Well, what's my luck

My 2nd ever flight to Amsterdam

Guess which runway is in use?

Is it A) 18R, B) 18R or C) 18R

Of course it's 18R

And the first time I flew to Schipol? It was 18R as well

Roughly 2:30 left

[rustic charm]

Almost there

Time to land and then taxi for so long that passengers will be asking whether we accidentally landed in Shanghai and had to drive from there to Amsterdam

Welp, landed fine, time for a 30-minute taxi

[trail monolith]

30 mins eh?

[rustic charm]

10 in the end

Which is 8 too many

Plus I did slightly exceed taxi limits and had no traffic jams

[trail monolith]

That's good

Better than sitting at slow pace

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Guys do I get the 747-200 or 737-200 in xplane

[dusky leaf]

Both reasonable choices, but the 742 is more complete and better supported

[runic hare]

@trim harbor we got a marabu kettle

[runic hare]

Yes

Massive difference in procedure

[echo gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-dog-angry-upset-gif-21225080

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flying out of boryspil is always fun

because there's no weather information for the entirety of eastern ukraine, it's always clear and calm winds

[hollow oracle]

i have a rookie question

nevermind, im just dumb

this flight has a step descent enroute, and i started my descent at the waypoint, when i should be at the lower altitude at that waypoint

[hollow oracle]

my american brain cannot comprehend remote stand parking

the only time ive ever boarded an aircraft from not a jetway was at KCMX

[hollow oracle]

fuck, that B-52 released for MSFS the other day and i didnt make a rock lobster joke

[trim harbor]

Bruh

[rustic charm]

Try Tivat

Not only does it just not have jetways

But the stands are all no-pushback

So while parking you should make a sharp turn so the plane faces away from the terminals

And boarding there is cool because you just walk from the terminal to the plane

[rustic charm]

Looking up Russian airports in flightsim dispatch is painful

Sooo much cool stuff 15-20 years ago but can't fly any of it in MSFS

Can someone please magically make all the Soviet jets in 1 day

And when planes do exist, like 738s, they used to pretty much always be without winglets, and PMDG of course didn't include those

[rustic charm]

Still wish we had an Il-86, would like one soooo much...

[dusky leaf]

Felis 742 cargo released

[hollow oracle]

awesome

of course its XP12 only

ill just go fuck myself then

discount is $40 off for owners of the regular -200

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Perfect conditions to fly a 722 to Juneau

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Guys I need the third runway for Hong Kong on xplane which is the best freeware scenery ._.

[mint whale]

My most recent flights. Now gonna do a short haul today and long haul tomorrow.

[runic hare]

FF777F is out

Hell yeah

XP12 only because of the cameras

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Does x-plane.org have winter sales?

[dusky leaf]

There is an unofficial patch to make the crapenado F50 work in XP12. Works fine, and seeing as it was made by thranda rather than crapenado its decent

[reef isle]

FUCK

why do air to air shots have to be so difficult in MSFS?

Skydolly isn't 100% smooth and the fucking drone controls have a 10% idiotic deadzone on them (5% on both directions), good fucking luck being smooth

AGH

It's aggravating me so much

It's much better than my last attempt at doing this, but still aaaagh, it pains me

[trail monolith]

https://x.com/petemuntean/status/1991531488521908336?s=20

Pete Muntean (@petemuntean)

NEW IMAGES of the left engine of UPS 2976 separating and going *up and over* the wing. The just-released NTSB preliminary report says the left engine pylon hardware showed signs of fatigue cracks and over-stress failure. More to come.

X · Nov 20, 2025, 3:38 PM

[echo gorge]

That is horrifying

Right at rotation too

[hollow oracle]

it's insane that it had enough energy to flip up and over the aircraft, and still hit the ground so hard that it ejected the engine core from the nacelle

you can see engine 2 flaming out in frame 6 too, all of that smoke/oil/fuel its ingesting is not good

[untold finch]

I'd guess it was still at take-off thrust while it was separating/after it departed the aircraft
I'd also guess there was enough fuel in the assembly to keep it going until it hit the ground

[mint whale]

guten morgen guten tag!
(this is madeira)

I thank cobus for sponsoring my flight today.

[hollow oracle]

pretty interesting findings from the NTSB

[runic hare]

I think this is more likely to be a UPS issue than an MD one

Looking at this

Incorrect inspections done

Or inspections not done well

[hollow oracle]

1,000%, poor and incompetent maintenance missed some big flaws

[runic hare]

I don’t see the MD’s sticking around for much longer after this tho

If this is the state of them

[rustic charm]

We'll have a 733 and 734 'very shortly'

Also pricing revamps

So you'll be able to buy the planes separately in case you don't want all 3

[hollow oracle]

$45 for the variants jesus christ

[rustic charm]

That's cheap?

I don't think I've seen a single decent MSFS airliner be sold at that

I mean, no, I guess the 727 is cheaper, but only if you buy either the passenger or the freighter

Ah no, the 737-600 is cheaper

So there is one

[hollow oracle]

The issue I have is that it’s for a single variant, and the 737 classic variants are literally just extended versions of the fuselage and nothing else

You’re paying $45 for a slightly longer fuselage, and another $45 for an even longer fuselage

[rustic charm]

Each one (I hope) with a different flight model

And I'm pretty sure they have different thrust ratings?

The -500 have less thrust than the -300 & -400

So it's not necessarily just a different fuselage model

And well

Pretty much all devs sell individual variants

So it's not necessarily something new

And most of the time it's even more expensive

Obviously we have the PMDG 737s, where you pay $70 for the 737 and $70 more for the 738

Then with Fenix the 321/319 are separate too, although as an expansion

[dusky leaf]

I would certainly give it a go for 45

[rustic charm]

Tbf, I still think that the best was is to try it out with a subscription, and if you like it, get the full package for $120

Cause they say if you buy a standalone for $45 you can no longer get a subscription or the full package, you'll have to buy everything else separately too if you want more

Which if my maths is right would end up $155 in total

[hollow oracle]

its been really tough, my grandma passed away the other day, and then the felis 747 released on the same day, and i thought it would be a nice distraction until the funeral, but it ended up being XP12 only, so id have to spend $60 to buy XP12, and then another $30 to get the 747 (when i thought it would just be a $10 upgrade), and it just feels horrible to see everybody else having fun because they have the money to buy the latest stuff

it hasnt been very easily for me mentally, and trying to turn to hobbies has somehow made it worse almost, especially with everything releasing and happening recently

im currently almost $100 in debt and i've considered just taking the hit and going for it, but i just cant

[dusky leaf]

Alpine Studio AS350B1 - uses the Nemeth visual model

[dusky leaf]

The 💩 hit the fan 😆