Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[hollow oracle]

irea lly dont know what i did wrong

somehow cutting the engines made me float, and then unstable winds combined with no throttle threw me into the runway

i wasnt able to put the right wheel on the ground the entire landing too, i have no fucking idea how

[trim harbor]

you've come in too flat, given power abit too late and then essentially flat faced yourself on the runway, by landing too hard the suspension came out bounced you up , probably giving an uneven distribution of gravity or weight whatever

[hollow oracle]

so i dont flare and i crash, i flare and i crash

[reef isle]

if that was a performance increasing gust then the only course of action would have been a go around

(by that I mean, your airspeed suddenly increased)

[hollow oracle]

winds werent even that bad, headwind of 13 and crosswind of 6, but the plane was being thrown around HARD

[reef isle]

Is that LAX?

[hollow oracle]

LGA

[reef isle]

25014G25KT

[hollow oracle]

X-RAAS said i was going too fast, even though i was on exactly Vref again, right at 141kts

[reef isle]

Winds was 14knots gusting 25

that sounds about right for being thrown around

So you probably came in with more speed (because I assume you added your gust additive to your approach speed, or maybe the plane did it by itself? - I know nothing about the 737NG)

and if you got a perfomance increasing gust as you tried to flare that forced you back in the air

Windshield escape, go around 🤷 sometimes that stuff happens

[hollow oracle]

if i did go around, what can i even do differently to land it?

[reef isle]

(I assume you had real weather)

[reef isle]

in gusty conditions? Expect that to happen until you're very close to the ground, and always fly the plane until touchdown.

(the opposite also could have happened, and that would have been much worse)

[trim harbor]

also, you did F/D flying, right?

unless the GS is broken, you need to fly according to the diamonds until close, i'm almost 99% sure you were above the diamonds/slope

especially in windy conditions flying visual/papi is abit iffy

[reef isle]

#1165354616993632397 message

If the opposite happened and you didn't add your gust additive this could have happened instead 😅

[hollow oracle]

yes

[reef isle]

I think that looks about right

over the threshold

[hollow oracle]

i came in slightly high but not high enough for nose down/speed to be a factor

[reef isle]

seems like maybe you started to flare a tiny bit early (maybe around 50/40)

you want to do most of your flare at 20/30

[trim harbor]

it looks so flat

maybe though

that's a pov thing

[hollow oracle]

yes, because i was trying to keep a stable and constant approach down to the runway, and then i was going to flare at around 30ft when i cut my engines

but then i cut my engines, floated, pitched down a tiny bit so i didnt float even further, and then the loss in airspeed + winds slammed me into the runway im pretty sure

[reef isle]

could it be that you're not used to ground effect being a thing considering it's next to non-existent in MSFS?

[hollow oracle]

i dont even know what that is, so yes

[reef isle]

so, the closer you get to the ground, the more your plane will generate lift

a very quick and dirty way to convince yourself of that, is that as there is less ""gap"" between the underside of the wing and the terrain more high pressure gets ""trapped"" in that spot and thus you will get even higher pressure on the wing's underside

that's how Ekranoplans work

[trim harbor]

this guy studies aviation

[hollow oracle]

it doesnt help that i get a landing like that, and my confidence is completely wiped out, and it feels like i dont even know what im doing at all anymore

[trim harbor]

just do landing practices without doing a flight

start off in a cessna or something small and get used to the flight model

that's what you're unironically struggling with

[hollow oracle]

thank you xplane discord, very helpful

its my hardware thats causing it for sure

another day, getting my confidence blown up so hard that i feel like i cant do anything right, and i just have to get back in bed

mind you, that logitech yoke has some not good reviews

xplane players when reccomending essential hardware to fly the sim

[rustic charm]

Ekranoplans ❤️

Honestly I reckon the Soviets were on drugs when they designed those. And that is not a bad thing

[full plank]

I love doing drugs (for legal reasons thats a joke)

also so nice to finally have a joystick that doesn't twitch like a junkie without his fix

[hollow oracle]

what would be the best way to do touch-and-gos in an airliner?

im thinking taking off, going to the ILS intercept altitude, looping around (manually, or through some waypoints), and then just doing that

im not sure about configuring stuff if im that close though, plus setting up the MCDU for such a tight approach

[trim harbor]

Put STAR/SID in

Make it a loop

And just refly that over and over

But

Xplane has a feature

Where u can do approaches from 5 and 10 nm away

I recommend that

If u send me a ss from the xplane start screen where u selecz the airport

I can show u

[hollow oracle]

i see it

kinda wish it was 20nm, but whatever

what altitude does it put you at?

[runic hare]

Idk how to explain it, but you need to come in slowing down, eventually bringing the flare up and you should touch down solidly

If that makes sense

You want to be going your VREF at about 200 and then start bringing the power down and flaring as you get closer to the ground

That reduces float if winds are favourable and reduces the risk of a bounce

So your down

Then gently bring the nose down and throw in the reversers

But yeah I agree you should just try some touch and goes in a Cessna

Then try it in a 737

Then you can work your way up

Have you flown the Sparky yet?

You should

Once you have gotten the hang of the Zibo move on to that

Because that’s a very very difficult thing to land nicely

[hollow oracle]

oh

[hollow oracle]

starting on the runway and then choosing ready for takeoff seems to be the best option

because then you can get it configured, takeoff, and then just vector yourself back around to the approach

idk if the levelup/zibo 737 has panel state options for that though

the MD-11 does at least

this landing hit like crack

i think thats about as perfect as you can get in an MD-11

i wheelied for a bit longer than i should have, thats about it

this is why flight sims are dangerous, its like an abusive girlfriend

you get a shit crash landing, you feel like you want to die, and then the next flight you get an awesome landing and you feel like your top gun

i landed at almost 170kts too

i dont know what my weight was there though, i think it was like 560k lbs GW

[hollow oracle]

i dont mean to send a video of every single landing, but

volanta gave that one 1.10G and -146

i think im going to do one or two more loops before im comfortable to say that ive got this down

[trim harbor]

This

[hollow oracle]

hm

with the MD-80, coming from the MD-11, are they similar systems?

[reef isle]

No

Totally different

[runic hare]

MD-90/B717 and MD-11 shared similar systems

It was all the MD AFD

[rustic charm]

MD-80 is a fair bit older than MD-11 ain’t it

Like a decade kind of older

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i just wasnt sure if the later ones had an option or something, or if they were retrofitted or whatever

kinda sucks that the only 717 we have is captainsim, but itll do

[trail monolith]

Hiya folks just wanted to ask yall which is your favorite plane operator and plane livery?

[untold finch]

USAF, 492nd FS

though USN, VF-103 is a very close second

[rustic charm]

Favourite airline easily Aeroflot. Favourite livery is a tough one. If we only count present day standard liveries, gotta say also Aeroflot. If we include liveries from the past though, that’s when I couldn’t even tell, too many amazing options

[reef isle]

Favorite operator in terms of what? IRL Travelling on them? In that case I can only speak for Low Cost Carriers (LCCs) and Ultra Low Cost Carriers (ULCCs), in that case definitely EasyJet (hopefully I'll get to fly on ITA's A220 soon 🤞)

In terms of historical significance, I think I'll have to say Southwest, the big winner of the US' Airline Deregulation Act, and served as a model for all future LCCs and ULCCs, that, while might not always be the best did a great deal in "democratizing" air travel, and SWA, unlike some of its counterparts always maintained a good reputation for both price and quality. Sad to see it struggle so much recently.

Modern day it's hard to say, many operators have standardized a lot, so there isn't really one big "outlier" so to speak, I'll pick AirBaltic just because I find it really interesting the way they're using the A220, and I'm curious to see how it works out for them. Also I'm keeping my eyes on any airline that wants to give another shot to long haul low cost (since that part of Norwegian died), that means Norse and Play.

In terms of fleet, I think my favorite has to be Air Inter (just because they were the "dumpster" for all failed/mediocre airbus -and Dassault's- projects) they had some very unique planes, A300B1s, Dassault Mercure, A320-100, A321-100, etc... Other favorites of mine are Delta and Northwest and the way their fleets intertwined after the merger (i.e. Delta got rid of their DC-9s during the '70s and '80s, with some of them remaining until the '90s, then the Delta/NWA merger happened, and they inherited the huge NWA DC-9 fleet, and for reason only known to themselves they decided to keep these DC-9s until 2014, DC-9s, not MD-80s).

In terms of livery, I think consistency of beautiful liveries I say United UNTIL they inherited Continental's livery after the merger (so Friendship, Saul Bass, Blue Tulip e Battleship Grey). Best individual livery is hard, I have quite a few liveries that I adore, I'll say BA Landor, it worked on everything, from the Concorde to the BN-2 Islander, it's very simple, without being boring, and it's obvious that it's the british colours and british flag. It also lended itself very well for some "remixes" (like Deutsche BA), with the AAL Brushed Metal livery being a close second

[hollow oracle]

hm, is the flight factor a320 worth it compared to the toliss?

i want an airbus in xplane, but i also dont want to spend $90 for one, and the flightfactor one is on sale for $35 right now

[hollow oracle]

I might honestly just get chase plane for the physics camera and fly the A320 with it, that’s been my favorite feature of xplane so far anyway

I’ve heard fsrealistic’s physics camera is good too, but also that its features are kind of overkill

[runic hare]

No not really

It’s ok

But without the matavia mod it’s a bit crap

[runic hare]

I've been thinking of picking up aerofly4

[rustic charm]

Looks like the guy making the Tu-154 for MSFS is done with hydraulics now

Nice seeing progress on it, tbh it seems like it isn’t that far off now

“Next step: quality pass for the cockpit: textures, bolts, rest of the switches etc”

[reef isle]

Apparently ini's next airliner (could be the L-1011) is now planned to be seen's at August's FSExpo

[rustic charm]

That would be fun

And yeah, the L-1011 would be awesome

[reef isle]

eating pasta while watching this is so nice

I usually never eat at my PC, but this was too nice of an opportunity to pass

[rustic charm]

Which pasta

[reef isle]

very simple

just tomato souce

although it's actually quite weird, since it's ever so slightly "fried" hahah, it's a southern italy thing

just a way to eat old pasta

[rustic charm]

Fair

Ngl never tried doing it like that, but gotta at some point

[reef isle]

If you have some leftover pasta and you want to eat it, istead of just heating it put it in a pan with a bit of oil and leave it there until you want

some people like to have it properly fried to the point it almost becomes cruchy, I'm not a big fan, so I keep it for less time

[rustic charm]

Alrighty, I’ll try that for sure. Probably wouldn’t wanna fry it too much here either

[reef isle]

I swear, during sunrise and sunset FSX looks better than FS2020

looks better than Xplane even

[rustic charm]

Tbh that does look awesome

[trim harbor]

this is what p3d looked like

i miss ther times

msfs is overdone imho

[rustic charm]

Tbh sunrises and sunsets in 2020 are by far not the best imo

2020 sky and clouds overall imo often look just off. I can’t say what exactly is wrong, but it just looks weird

[trim harbor]

Looks so game-ifyd

[woeful elbow]

Me and my brother doing a flight in the airbus 350 again 💀

why is deltas boarding music so good

xd

[echo gorge]

Tasty

[full plank]

I chowed down on some pasta whilst doing an Alitalia flight

cause I simply refuse to fly the new airline

[hollow oracle]

yeah, that might have been an issue in the past landings

Vapp on this flight is 157

no wonder im getting garbage landings, at that speed the second you cut the throttle youll fall out of the sky like a rock

[hollow oracle]

and thats at flaps 35 too, in an MD-11

i have heard that VAPP +10 is a good landing speed in the MD-11, so who knows

i kinda wish there was a good DC-10 in really any sim, thats another aircraft that id love to learn how to fly

and the MD-10, same systems as the MD-11 but they kept the DC-10s length so it handles a little bit differently

[hollow oracle]

yeah, landing it fast is the way to go

great landing too, definitely paid off doing some touch-and-gos yesterday, now i have that muscle memory

[rustic charm]

So thing I just learned today is there actually is one in development for MSFS and it’s looking gooood. And the devs say they want it to be the most detailed and realistic DC-10 in any flight sim ever

[hollow oracle]

I mean, that’s quite a low bar technically 😅

Considering the only real DC-10 is in FSX, and it’s not even that good itself

Hm… speaking of FSX…

How good is the C-17 in FSX anyway? I bought it AGES ago (before I was even into flight sims) but never actually tried it out

I kind of abandoned FSX after realizing that the aerosoft A320s needed physical hardware to fly, they don’t work with a controller

[hollow oracle]

im discovering the importance of following the glideslope all the way down basically, i didnt do it this flight, plus i flared late and ended up bouncing extremely hard, -800fpm and 2.1G landing

might need to do some more touch-and-gos at that specific airport

[hollow oracle]

you really have to be exceptionally precise with where you cut the engines and flare

like, within 5ft

cut the engines at around 50ft because i was quick on the draw, and i floated hard, tried going around and the engines wouldnt throttle up

flaring isnt too big of an issue for me anymore, because at 30ft when you cut the throttles is right about where you want to start it too, im realizing

It’s really frustrating though, when I was doing touch and gos in the MD-11 last night I got 3 great landings in a row, and when I try it today, one successful but very late, and ANOTHER crash

[hollow oracle]

This hobby is punishing and unforgiving

I’m just going to have to stay determined and practice, like most other hobbies anyway

[trail monolith]

Lemme guess the Aero Dynamics one?

KC-10 and DC10 and its freight and firefight variants

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Most likely won’t be out for a while yet

But at least it’s being worked on

[trail monolith]

Well judging by how some of the devs are military it's understandable it's taking time

[hollow oracle]

im getting the brainworms again

they tell me to get MSFS 2024

[trail monolith]

Do it 🙂

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/sunakook-cat-screaming-gif-25279230

has it improved to where its at least as stable as 2020?

and how easy is the content migration? can you just copy over your community folder?

[trail monolith]

Yup might be some stuff non functional or buggy as duck

[trail monolith]

That's a bit hard to answer but it's solid enough

[hollow oracle]

im still looking at the premium deluxe too, i want the C-17 and dreamlifter

fenix announced theyre doing a neo

[rustic charm]

And they plan to release them before 2026

[full plank]

I have FS2024 but im waiting patiently for PMDGs 777 & 737 to make it over before I even consider doing sim flying on it

[hollow oracle]

fenix suddenly doesnt cancel an aircraft project that other devs have made, funny how that works

[hollow oracle]

i forgot how "fun" msfs is to launch

8 billion external apps that need launched

absolute cinema, it just crashed

[runic hare]

I'm commiting a crime

Ryanair A320

[hollow oracle]

https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/aviation/2025/03/27/airbus-a320-successor/

[trim harbor]

Fenix A320NEO announced

Nvm im late

L

[untold finch]

Nice, that'll hopefully be the "definitive" version.

[hollow oracle]

wyndbain reference

also, biblically accurate lufthansa

[hollow oracle]

its really frustrating what happened to the max 8s for xplane, i wish i could kind of get it straightened out and archived tbh

[full plank]

lovely MAX 8

[hollow oracle]

had to go around because (shocker) more game issues

throttled down, and i was wondering why tf i was actually speeding up rather than slowing down on the runway, turns out it throttled up instead of throwing out the reversers for some reason

they both sound the same

i did touch down very good though

i have terrible luck flying lufthansa, and i have terrible luck flying in ireland, i have no idea why either is the case

two butter landings, but i managed to overrun again, because of course i did

the throttles would just not turn off in time at all

and when i let go of the throttle down button and switched to thrust reversers, it just throttled back up again

[hollow oracle]

my heart rate was probably upwards of 120 on that approach

i want to point out the irony that my callsign was silky smooth

though, that was because of my voice and not because of any landing abilities

[runic hare]

The issue is the MTD was stolen mostly

All level up textures and stuff like that

[trim harbor]

cs is making a 737 classic

it looks decent

[tired pond]

Textures look quite flat though

[rustic charm]

CS?

[trail monolith]

Captain scam?

[rustic charm]

Ah

I forgot they exist lol

[hollow oracle]

Their stuff isn’t the best by any stretch of the imagination, but it flies pretty realistically and has some good systems depth

I went to try and fly the 717 the other day, but MSFS was the problem and not captainsims work

[full plank]

CaptainSim 757 in P3D was quite fun to fly in all honesty

[hollow oracle]

I’ve been looking at getting their 767 for the freighter too

Amazon flies a bunch of them

[hollow oracle]

Well, I was, I don’t know if I’m going to head back into MSFS or not honestly

It’s a huge pain in the ass to launch like 8 apps every time I want to play, compared to xplane where I only need to launch autoortho

[trail monolith]

Why do you need to launch 8 programs?

[hollow oracle]

FSrealistic, rex atmos, fsuipc, volanta, navigraph, fenix/ifly, couatl, simbridge, beyondATC, FSLTL, flightcontrolreplay

All external apps that I need to make sure start up and link properly when I need them

[nimble sphinx]

I'm glad I use none of those

well, besides Navigraph and Volanta

[runic hare]

MSFS graphics and XP community plus support

Perfection

All of these are just plugins

I have 4 apps open when playing fs, Xpilot, Volanta, Navigraph, XP12

That’s all I need

[full plank]

I just open rex atmos, active sky, vpilot (if I wanna fly on vatsim that is)

otherwise rest of it just opens when I launch the sim

[reef isle]

Going to fly BMA for the rest of the week 😄

Just decided I'll start to fly one airline a week

[full plank]

blessed, love a good bit of BMI

[runic hare]

RG Mod?

Or levelup -600 reskinned

[full plank]

thank you FSLabs

[reef isle]

RG

[hollow oracle]

im getting xplane installed on my laptop, and im really dreading if im going to have to send out some emails requesting new licenses for my laptop for stuff like the rotate MD-11

im going to have to make it an ultralight install too, so no scenery

[rustic charm]

Usually 2 here, just MSFS and Volanta xD
BeyondATC if I feel like going with it, but that isn’t too often for now

[full plank]

time to get First Choice going again

[rustic charm]

After almost 7 hours of cruise, I am approaching my top of descent

[dusky leaf]

Navigraph is def not required imo. Only things I have open when flying are skyvector and chartfox, thats all thats needed for me

[rustic charm]

Yep, I don’t even have the navigraph sub

Skyvector covers 100% of the US

Charts, airways, VORs, everything

Chartfox has charts for the majority of the worldwide airports. There are some that aren’t included (One that comes to mind is Paro) but that’s rare. It has charts for pretty much everywhere I fly

[reef isle]

I've gotten way too used to Navigraph to chance, it's very easy and convenient to make your own routes/flight plans

[rustic charm]

With navigraph I just honestly don’t see it as worth it tbh, just have other things to spend money on that get priority

[dusky leaf]

Blowing the dust off another hangar queen, just doing some patterns

[dusky leaf]

Spend time rendering ortho, then fly at FL360 so you cant see it 😆
Over the lake district heading for london

[runic hare]

Had a very hard RTO today

Many shits came out of my ass

[rustic charm]

Finished a flight between HAAB and HECA today, which means that finally all the lines on my Volanta are connected

[hollow oracle]

gonna try another 737-200 flight

the heading idea didnt make sense to me at first, but i forgot that you can still track VOR/courses AND do heading, so you can see how far youve drifted

Gonna try delta SLC-DFW, hopefully a longer flight can help when it comes to planning for descent and landing

[reef isle]

(Altitude/1000) x3 😄

rough flap extension schedule

as a rule of thumb aim to be on your downwind/base at 180, final 160, when you intercept the LOC go gear down flaps 15, then following the G/S continue extending flaps and slowing down.

You might find it easier to be fully configured before joining the G/S though.

[hollow oracle]

for only using heading, i dont think its half bad

[echo gorge]

Looking good

[hollow oracle]

its a little bit easier too, when you overfly VORs enroute your not doing the frantic course and frequency stuff, you just have to adjust heading a little bit

it just kinda sucks because your always in a state of hunting for the right heading setup to get right on course

though, i mean, the default VOR/LOC setting isnt any better either

[hollow oracle]

ehhh

its weird, its like the radials dont match up with what navigraph says

do you you want to follow the VOR infront of you or behind you?

[hollow oracle]

great landing in the 732, always a great feeling

especially after a 2 hour, manual nav flight

time to taxi into DFW, also known as, try not to fall asleep at the wheel challenge (impossible)

[reef isle]

Yeah...

Unfortunately I haven't figured that out yet

The longer a leg is the more it's inaccurate, it's probably down to the great circle thing

If you follow airways I've found this number to be much more reliable

Also I always prefer tracking inbound (VOR ahead), it's more reliable as it massively reduces the risk of going hugely off course because you set a wrong course (thankfully that only happened to me twice 😅)

[rustic charm]

If I can, I track the inbound VOR too

Sometimes you gotta first track outbound and then switch to inbound once you’re within range

Or on approaches you will often have to leave a certain VOR on a certain course

[reef isle]

Here we are at Heathrow once again

departure from Teesside was fun, no derate, what a little rocket 😆

[reef isle]

I just found out that for 2 weeks in 2002 BMA operated 1 BAe146 out of EGNM in place of their F70s so after I do the livery I guess that's what's next after a few BAC 1-11 Flights 😄

[rustic charm]

Ini posted about some research trip

An overnight long haul departing south from Dubai, overflying Africa

Wonder where that could be going

Probably South Africa?

I wonder what could they be researching there

[rustic charm]

That sounds fun

[hollow oracle]

flying out of kazakhstan, great success

[rustic charm]

The painted over Cargo must be the best part of the livery

[trim harbor]

q

[hollow oracle]

its really a shame the MD-11 is at the end of its service life, theyre younger than A320s and even more reliable (imho), yet theyre already obsolete

[hollow oracle]

thanks autoortho, very cool

oh, lol, my drive ran out of space

[rustic charm]

Well I wouldn’t quite say they’re at the end

Freighters have many years in them still

Though their usage is indeed quite limited

[hollow oracle]

i mean, both fedex and UPS have plans to retire and replace the fleet, but at the same time, UPS just ordered like 3 more in 2020

probably BCF, but there isnt much information on it outside of just "ordered more"

[rustic charm]

Well they will of course retire and replace them eventually

[hollow oracle]

fedex plans 2032 i believe

[rustic charm]

But I reckon not too soon

Honestly the fact that MD no longer exists definitely doesn’t help these planes

[hollow oracle]

i mean, they were being manufactured well into boeings existence, by boeing

[trim harbor]

how safe is it to keep the pc on overnight

for the a350

[rustic charm]

Well, idk specifically for the 350

Overall keeping your pc on overnight is relatively safe

[trim harbor]

oh yeh i do it all the time w the 777 n stuff

[rustic charm]

Whether the 350 will survive that… idk

[trim harbor]

just the a350 is a

problem child

i dont wanna spiral into the atlantic lol

[rustic charm]

I’ve heard it had issues with the AP randomly disconnecting and stuff

[trim harbor]

yea

that

[rustic charm]

I mean, I just had that kind of thing on the 777 on the flight from Vladivostok to Moscow, but this airframe alone has 80+ hours on it and this is the first time I notice anything like that

[hollow oracle]

not particularly my best landing, but at this point, as long as i dont damage the aircraft or overrun the runway, its good

it doesnt help that the default sheremetyevo is garabge, theres a weird pillar in the middle of the runway that fucked me up, because i wasnt sure if it had collision or not

[rustic charm]

Why is it not dark

Also tbf, default airports are very often garbage, and from my experience, Russian ones get dealt an even worse hand because there can easily be no data, incorrect data, corrupt data, whatever

[hollow oracle]

im not entirely comfortable with landing at night yet in xplane, not to mention i just prefer daytime for screenshots

[reef isle]

They've been obsolete the moment they rolled out, arguably, long before that even

[rustic charm]

That’s fair

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[rustic charm]

Also either your weather or my weather isn’t right

Cause I landed there just a bit ago

And the conditions were dogshit

Not the worst I’ve flown in

[hollow oracle]

i do use live weather, it was windy and there was the weird rain effects but thats all i got

[rustic charm]

But the whole weather radar was yellow and I only broke through clouds below 2000ft baro (around 1500 radio), and not to mention winds of 20+ knots, although thankfully that being a headwind

[hollow oracle]

the live weather in xplane seems to be not very good

[rustic charm]

Though tbh, I wouldn’t put it past MSFS to have inaccurate weather, cause that didn’t match METAR either

METAR said visibility of 10+km with no significant clouds and light rain

[hollow oracle]

that was about what i experienced

[rustic charm]

And while the visibility on ground level did seem like it

“No significant clouds” is definitely not what I’d describe what MSFS gave me

[full plank]

I ended up just purchasing Active Sky XP for the 6 or so months I played x-plane

[reef isle]

I have Active Sky as well

I've heard live weather is good enough in Xplane12, but not on 11

[hollow oracle]

i finally bought yoke

literally the cheapest option on the market, the CH products one, but from the reviews ive seen its not a bad option

and i got a used one for $50, which ive also seen is a great price for it

[runic hare]

It’s not amazing but it’s definitely passable

The old NOAA plugin for 11 that injected accurate weather was good

But the XP12 clouds are very very accurate

Like I’m not joking

I’ve gone to Heathrow, looked out my window at the same time

It’s very very accurate

[hollow oracle]

meh, was playing around with the skyhawk in xplane, doing some touch-and-gos at the local airport, it feels kind of too stable?

like, im used to GA aircraft being blown around like a party balloon in a hurricane

[runic hare]

11 reacts weirdly to small aircraft and winds

The physics don’t really work out

12 has a much much more accurate GA flight model

It’s mainly the weather system that works better

[trail monolith]

The actor to Ice in top gun passed away today

[reef isle]

British Midland week continues, today back to October 1970 😄

[hollow oracle]

Apparently the emirates courier express is actually real?

I don’t know if they’re going to be doing a full A380 freighter conversion, but that would go so hard

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-launches-emirates-courier-express--promising-to-treat-packages-like-passengers/

I’m curious how an A380 freighter design, would work, dual cargo decks? One giant one?

[trim harbor]

no

they'll just use the freight bay

[hollow oracle]

[hollow oracle]

Also, there was an official concept, dual freight decks

[rustic charm]

Problem with that would be that not only you need the plane, but you also need to design brand new equipment

[hollow oracle]

just gotta get some fresh air

[runic hare]

not really

the low level door is easy

its just a standard loader

the upper deck would just be an extra couple telescopes

[hollow oracle]

wtf, why are there blood particles in the levelup 737

[runic hare]

bird strike

[hollow oracle]

thats a thing??

[runic hare]

yeah lmao

i think its just the toliss that doesn't have bird strikes model

[hollow oracle]

im trying to figure out why some liveries for the levelup 737 have messed up engine spinners

the alaska livery has invisible spinners, and the delta one is full grey

[runic hare]

some liveries will be built using the new model and some with the old

[hollow oracle]

the textures are the same though

unless if they moved some of the engine textures to another one

found it, they did change the textures

[echo gorge]

I love that the 152 ep for xp11 even has the windshield break for bird strikes

[rustic charm]

About to start what will end up being my longest flight yet

And it’ll most likely hold that title for a while, since the majority of ultra long haul routes don’t interest me

This is gonna be 13:15 - 13:45 I expect

Moscow to Varadero

[hollow oracle]

I’d like to do a flight like that sometime, I sleep like 12 hours though, so i don’t really trust that I’d wake up and remember I need to land it

Doing LAX to Australia on the delta A350 is one that I’ve been wanting to do, but I’d have to get MSFS up and running again for that

[rustic charm]

Welp, I’m gonna be sleeping through this one as a whole

Last night I had Paine Field to Moscow on this triple set up

Just gotta know how much will you sleep roughly

I knew I had to be up by 9:30am, so timed it in a way that the top of descent would be around 9:45-10:00

Right now I’m setting up for a 13+ hour journey, and it is 1am. I just know that any way, by 2pm I’ll be awake

[hollow oracle]

Something else that has been bugging me is that new icelandair flight from Pittsburgh to Reykjavik, I’ve wanted to do that for ages, but you can only do it in a max 8, or do mid-air refueling

Regular -800s don’t have quite the range, the max 8 is just efficient enough to make it

[rustic charm]

That is if I’m gonna be able to input the fucking oceanic waypoints, why the hell is it not in the data base, what part of 7110N do you not understand

[hollow oracle]

And the only options are the WW max 8 in xplane (not the most reliable), or the ifly max 8 (really not good with performance)

[rustic charm]

Trust me, just go light on payload, the 738 will easily make it

I have done Halifax to Moscow direct in a 738, just over 8 hours

Of course that was a delivery so had no payload at all, but I pushed it fast and had a fair bit of fuel still left

[rustic charm]

Okay maybe trying to fly at 2am was a bad idea after all

I just pushed back

The FMC is all ready

Flaps set

I go to turn off the APU and realise I forgot something

The engine start!

[runic hare]

It’s always funny to me when devs don’t add it as a fail mode considering it’s something stupid like 35-40% of operational incidents

[hollow oracle]

you can fit so much cocaine in this bad boy

[runic hare]

Lmao

I can’t wait for the update honestly

V4

Gravel kit

Snow kit

Plus combi and freight variants

[rustic charm]

Ahem it’s baking soda

Meanwhile this lucky guy is going for a vacation in a tropical paradise (admittedly not the most paradise-y country)

[trim harbor]

Pause at T/D

[rustic charm]

Landed in Cuba, 13:40 flight time

Now can we get an Il-96 so I can do the same thing but with Cubana

[dusky leaf]

CZGF Grand Forks

[reef isle]

BMA week continues, this time I jumped forward in time again, from 1970 to 1988

Going back to MSFS after a lot of Xplane and FSX flying is always interesting

[rustic charm]

Interesting as in “Wow these physics fucking suck”? XD

[reef isle]

Ehehe not really, at least when flying the good addons like this or the MD80

[rustic charm]

Fair

[reef isle]

But I guess I'll decide that after landing

[rustic charm]

Really wanna try the MD-80

But probably not this month, there’s the 727 pax coming, plus I wouldn’t be too surprised if the 777-200ER releases near the end of April

[dusky leaf]

https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-12-2-0-release-notes/

Remember not to install a beta over your flying copy, if you want to beta install a second copy

[reef isle]

Yeah fair

although I have to say that at turboprop altitudes MSFS is much more enjoyable

or rather, having the nice graphic and scenery actually makes sense at these kinds of altitudes

[rustic charm]

Yeah, sounds fair

Honestly even with jets I sometimes get enjoyable scenery during cruise

Really just depends on weather

Still haven’t tried any turboprops or non-jets overall

Even though I bought the ATR

I wanna get the DC-6

Maybe then I’ll start managing propellers

[dusky leaf]

New splash screen

Dark cockpit fix 👍

111 FPS with default

[hollow oracle]

the new yoke i got is okay

havent done a flight with it yet because xplane like to take 15 mins to load and also crash, but it looks promising

im not sure what im going to do with rudder/tiller

ive thought about binding it to a throttle lever on the top and then actuating it like that, up/down being left/right

especially on takeoff, keeping centered with the ruwnay concerns me

on landing you dont really need much rudder unless if the crosswind is exceptionally bad, most times i just use the yoke to center myself anyway

nevermind, xplane does have the autorudder stuff, you can steer/rudder by roll

[dusky leaf]

For your airliners yes you would get away with keybinds etc

"proper" stick and rudder aircraft not so much

[echo gorge]

If you're not flying taildraggers or helos you're probably fine not having peddles

[untold finch]

or Tomcats

[echo gorge]

The bigger planes yaw dampers automatically coordinate your turns, and in ga flying uncoordinated is fine in sim imo

[hollow oracle]

i dont know if the weather is different today, but im being thrown around like theres no tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/frank-reynolds-danny-devito-oh-my-god-i-get-it-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-1719969854406009304

i get it now

not very satisfied with ground handling, something definitely feels wrong there

nevermind, winds are 250/14G29, thatll throw you around on the ground and in the air

especially taking off and landing on runway 31

12kts of crosswind in a cessna, lol

ive never been good at GA anyway, so not really a great starting test

and it doesnt help that the airport i picked is probably the worst right now when it comes to winds

[trim harbor]

is the performance any better

[dusky leaf]

Yes, but ita a1 00% default installation so it would be. I also have a beefy system ryzen 9 and RTX 5080

New clouds and lighting

[dusky leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJqor2jhg4Y&t=88s

promo vid

[hollow oracle]

idk, i think the yoke wont be my perferred method of flying, its still a lot of setup

its like my racing wheel, its fun, but it takes a lot to set up

737 handles nicely with the yoke too at least

and for $50, this yoke is freaking awesome

i do like how the throttles and stuff are actually part of the base unit, its tiny but very conveniently located

i really cant find anything to complain about

[nimble sphinx]

Hey that's the exact same Yoke I had at one point

[hollow oracle]

i can see why people swear by them too, this thing feels robust

[nimble sphinx]

It was pretty useful, but mine finally went about a year and a half ago

now I have a Velocity One 😅

[hollow oracle]

what went wrong, if you know?

[nimble sphinx]

No idea, it just started acting up completely

granted where I had stored it (on the floor in my closet) probably didn't help

[hollow oracle]

hm

[nimble sphinx]

Plus my mixture / fuel cutoffs were also broken off (that was my doing though)

[hollow oracle]

how tf did you manage that

the only way i could see those breaking is if you somehow like punched them by ragequitting

takeoff with the yoke was awesome, very smooth

im getting fuel leaks from both engines???

[rustic charm]

That’s one unlucky day for you then

[rustic charm]

The only thing you can do with 2 leaks is land now

That’s one hell of a rate for a leak too

[hollow oracle]

i dont know why that happened???

i dont have failures on, i genuninely cant think of why that would happen

[rustic charm]

Weird if you don’t have failures on

Must be some bug then

Cause idk what else could possibly cause that

[hollow oracle]

my N1 did go red during takeoff, which ive never seen before

unless if i blew up the engines or something, but i dont know why that would just dump fuel

fuck, i missed the runway by about 40yds

flaps too hard, but i did glide all the way down

the 737 doesnt even have fuel dump valves, because its a 737

[rustic charm]

How do you even do that

I’ve had EGT norm exceeded on takeoff once

Although that was in a triple

[nimble sphinx]

I don't do enough Europe flying to consider investing in more payware airports yet

[rustic charm]

But pushing toga should get the engines to the set thrust limit, nothing more

[hollow oracle]

i dont know, i was using the manual throttle on the yoke, but i thought that should just go to the thrust limit too, it never really exceeds that normally

i dont know how the autothrottle works with the physical throttle either, ive never had a boeing with physical controls before

[rustic charm]

I have only 4 payware European airports, and 3 of them are in Russia

[nimble sphinx]

Dropped it

[rustic charm]

The other one is Heathrow

[nimble sphinx]

I think I have 2?

Bristol and Ini Innsbruck

[rustic charm]

Wait, my usually good geographic knowledge is malfunctioning

Tenerife are Europe, right?

[nimble sphinx]

Are they considered part of Spain?

[rustic charm]

If they are, also Tenerife North and Tenerife South, picked them up on some sale

[rustic charm]

Well, Volanta considers them part of Spain, but idk if that’s correct

[nimble sphinx]

So does Wiki so I guess so

also, Bristol is UK2000 of all things

[rustic charm]

Okay, so I guess then 6 European airports here. 3 if you consider Russia separately

[nimble sphinx]

Like if anything I'd want to get some of the London Airports at some point but if I'm only flying to certain places I don't see why I'd invest for something I barely use 😅

[rustic charm]

Also the only reason I have Heathrow is because it was like 90% off on the marketplace

[nimble sphinx]

Heh, I wish

Maybe I'll get the Transatlantic airports at some point

[rustic charm]

I picked it up not long before ini released the v2

So the low price was kinda to get a couple last sales in

[full plank]

god I have way too many airports to count

pretty disgusting I bought the FlyTampa Copenhagen on marketplace, should've just bought it from their website instead

[nimble sphinx]

Me with Ini JFK

should've bought it off the site

[rustic charm]

I bought pretty much everything from the marketplace

[nimble sphinx]

Oh and OHare

[full plank]

I did spend like £100 on scenery from inibuilds

just in 1 go

[nimble sphinx]

Oof

[rustic charm]

ini JFK, FlyTampa BOS, ini LHR, DD SVO

[nimble sphinx]

Alright make the London Airports a priority for me cause the default stuff is a bit dreadful currently

[rustic charm]

Well you say London Airports

[nimble sphinx]

All of them

[rustic charm]

There’s a good free Gatwick

At least in my opinion it’s good

[nimble sphinx]

Granted I'm at Luton currently

[full plank]

tbf inibuilds luton isn't actually half bad, considering its a complete shithole in the real world

one can say the same about Billund & that scenery is actually correct, even through to the really weird roundabouts on the airport grounds

[nimble sphinx]

Me when I have to check all my ini products and find out there's updates

(also me when Just Flight update notices require being subbed to the newsletter due to how the system is set up so those are also very out of date)

[full plank]

when I just recently came back to flight sim there was so much shit I had to update it wasn't even funny

[nimble sphinx]

Hell I loaded up FS and no navigraph update

[full plank]

pretty hard to squeeze a flight in coming home from 12 hour+ shifts sometimes

[nimble sphinx]

it loads, now revision 2

[full plank]

even bought the Fokker F28, still haven't flown that yet

[nimble sphinx]

Me with the Avro

[full plank]

Avro RJ my beloved

Even though msfs runs like complete ass I still do fly the RJ every once in a while

[nimble sphinx]

Granted I'm still on 2020

[full plank]

So am I

[rustic charm]

Ngl the airports I own are quite funny when you divide them by continents:
0 in South America and Africa
1 in Asia, and yes it is Dubai.
6 in Europe: Heathrow, Tenerife North/South, Moscow Sheremetyevo, Moscow Vnukovo, Sochi
16 in North America out of which 10 are in Alaska

[full plank]

Don’t feel like switching especially not if options for long haul is kinda limited

[rustic charm]

Haven’t learned either the 146 or the F28 since I bought them almost a year ago lol

[nimble sphinx]

I remember the 146 vaguely

the one test flight with the Fokker went to shit as booked

[rustic charm]

With the 146 actually the thing that stopped me was me not being able to set it up to work with no hardware

It just simply wouldn’t steer on the ground

I did try changing the settings

Nothing

[full plank]

Only aircraft that infuriates me kinda setting up the controls & all is the FSLabs Concorde

[nimble sphinx]

Me with the FBW A380

[rustic charm]

As for actually flying it, it was fine, I did some laps around Paro (yes I know, the perfect place to start learning a new plane)

[full plank]

Pretty easy to steer, challenging ish to fly

First flight was Toronto to Heathrow, went alright

Quite excited for the MSFS rendition in all honesty

[nimble sphinx]

Alright lets get this thing off the ground, over on Volanta as usual

[rustic charm]

Granted I didn’t quite get to grips with the FMC, and the autopilot is very unusual, but I did fly

Not only did I fly, I even somewhat landed, although I could definitely feel the lack of reverse thrust

[full plank]

I used to clown FSLabs for releasing an Airbus when Fenix had already done one. Bought it & feel the general performance is hand over fist compared

[nimble sphinx]

and off we go

[full plank]

Monarch, v pleasing

[nimble sphinx]

I forget the London SIDs are whack for climbing

[dusky leaf]

Dragging her into Dublin

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/double-rainbow-what-does-this-mean-gif-11850694

[hollow oracle]

something is still not right

im losing 10lbs of fuel every 3 seconds roughly

i just took off and i already went from 20.8 to 19.7

i dont know how the zibo/levelup reacts to hardware throttles, and if im missing a setting or something

that might be accurate for climb? at the climbing rate i would get about 110 minutes of flight, and obviously youre not going to be in climb performance the whole flight

yeah, it drains far slower from the left and right tanks than it does the center it seems

[hollow oracle]

i see, thankfully it kind of acts like an airbus, autothrottle will only go as high as you have it set basically, you just cant set it to max on takeoff because it will command full red line TOGA power for a split second before it adjusts to the set power

[hollow oracle]

i just knew autothrottle would be an issue, yet i didnt set up a disconnect switch

[runic hare]

Flying on this today

The one where the pilots did mega fuck up

[hollow oracle]

I really need to do some landing practice with the yoke tomorrow

[dusky leaf]

Banner towing

[echo gorge]

F28 is 28% off until the 10th

[reef isle]

why does the plane move INTO the wind when I decrab? 😭 FUCKING MICRO FUCKING SOFT

For once I even remembered to move to the "downwind" side of the runway to compensate for the fact I was going to be pushed to the right, and the opposite happens

[rustic charm]

That’s a nice discount tbf

[full plank]

thats what persuaded me to buy it, that & I was thoroughly impressed with the RJ so wanted to see what else JF had on offer

[echo gorge]

The f28, Bae 146 and vulcan (if you're into it) are all incredible

[reef isle]

I have all three, can confirm 😄

[full plank]

I do endeavour to get the 146 at some point, just wanna learn the F28 first though im sure with my RJ experience it won't be too hard to settle in with the 146

[echo gorge]

The 146 (as a plane) is a lot more polished and modern than the f28, with things like actual decent nav radios instead of coffee grinders

If you get a handle on the f28 you'd probably enjoy the 146 as well

[full plank]

figured the F28 would be a good getaway from all the glass cockpit modern stuff, same reason im actually installing the FSLabs Concorde

[reef isle]

I'm about to buy the SkySim DC-9

[trim harbor]

why

[rustic charm]

Tbh I’ve been thinking about it as of late

It can’t be too bad right?

At least the comments I’ve read don’t make it look too bad

[hollow oracle]

i do have a complaint with this yoke

theres a physical trim wheel on the left side of the yoke, and i can see that it would be useful, but its a physical switch that physically adjusts the yoke's sensor position

so you kind of have to keep it in the same spot, otherwise your trim is going to be all fucked up

went to do some landing practice, disconnected autopilot and the trim wheel was set all the way pitch down and i had to adjust pretty late

its just best to keep the switch either fully up/down and then calibrate it with that position, and just never touch the whel

there is really no practical use for it, because you can adjust the trim with the rocker switch

[reef isle]

because it's decent

I think it's overpriced but OK

[reef isle]

oh that's interesting

[hollow oracle]

its really weird, it doesnt physically move the yoke, but it changes the actual output of it, you cant assign that wheel to anything else

[reef isle]

that might help with some planes/sims

[reef isle]

would be interesting to see if it reduced the max output

if it doesn't then it might have some niche use cases

VERY niche

Extremely niche

Immensily niche

[hollow oracle]

i dont think so, i have it calibrated for full down and its not effecting controls in any way

my landings with the yoke have been beyond horrible

extremely hard, bouncing, and then going nosegear first into the runway

its like im landing extremely fast, but im really not

137kts is my vref for a fully loaded 737-700 at flaps 30, which seems perfectly fine???

if anything it feels low

for some reason, the last landing attempt, i wasnt even getting GPWS callouts at all, the levelup 737 seems to not work well at all with multiple landings in one session

for some reason its been hunting by a few degrees up/down when holding an altitude and speed, like its bobbing

[nimble sphinx]

Now just to figure out why GSX keeps bringing out the stairs for the rear door for no reason

[full plank]

thank you PMDG 747 QOTS II for P3D for bringing me a big amount of joy

[hollow oracle]

somewhat dumb question, hows the justflight DC-10?

if it goes on sale for really cheap i might nab it, even though i really dont play FSX

[trim harbor]

@reef isle

im pretty sure the cs l1011 is also very good from what he said

[reef isle]

I don't really know unfortunately, I've heard that CS1011 is better than Just Flights' but I've never seen it go on sale

The JF1011 (even the "pro" version) isn't really anything special, I can't speak for their DC-10

[trim harbor]

@hollow oracle

it looks good

[reef isle]

I've wanted to buy this for a long time. But not even I am crazy enough to spend 40USD on a FSX plane

And I think the ini L-1011 Is closer than I thought, so I think I'm just going to wait for that and pray it's good

[trim harbor]

i totally forogt

abt that

does anyone use reshade for msfs

and can recomm a good preset

[green egret]

12.2 is stunning

[dusky leaf]

They nailed the dark cockpit fix thats foe sure

[trim harbor]

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @rustic charm

[runic hare]

Gonna look incredible

Gonna have the functionality of a wet toothbrush

[rustic charm]

Tbh ini’s older planes (A310, A300) are not too bad are they?

Hope they manage to do the L-1011 justice, cause that thing deserves the best

[runic hare]

Essentially just ports of the XP11 aircraft

They are pretty good

But by no means study level

[rustic charm]

Would be good if they were ports, but ini didn’t release them for Xplane

[rustic charm]

Yeah, fair

[runic hare]

Eh?

Ini’s first product was the A300v1 for XP11 lmao

Then came V2

[rustic charm]

Well I mean more about the 310

[runic hare]

Then the A310

[rustic charm]

Oh

Well

Then I’m stupid lol

I thought they didn’t do it for Xplane

[runic hare]

They were made for XP

[rustic charm]

Tbh I don’t really follow the XP scene

[runic hare]

If you can pull the model from the MSFS aircraft you can still find the Version.ini from PlaneMaker hidden deep in the .obj files

Someone tested it

It’s literally the exact same

New EFB but the model and the systems are straight from XP11

It’s why the A310 is kinda ass

They directly ported it in a very lazy way to make millions

[rustic charm]

Well

Not too good

[runic hare]

It really pissed off everyone in the XP community because ini essentially erased the fact that there entire reputation was built off of there aircraft for XP

One day they just removed the XP products

Not providing any updates for products that were 75usd

I still hate them for it

@reef isle you wouldn’t still happen to have the Gdrive link for the Beluga?

I think I may fly it tomorrow

[reef isle]

I'll send it to you

[runic hare]

Danke

Oh it’s XP11 only isn’t it

Fuck can’t be arsed to reinstall

Ignore

[reef isle]

Ok 😅

If you change your mind let me know 😄

[runic hare]

I will

[trim harbor]

3 hours left

[hollow oracle]

im gonna be honest, still not really getting the yoke thing

i havent really been able to get a good landing with it

[hollow oracle]

thats another thing that i really do not like, is that xplane/volanta dont register bounces

if i bounce, i dont want it to register just 1 landing

[hollow oracle]

getting better

[runic hare]

finally got the IXEG 737-300plus

[untold finch]

It's officially Razbover

[echo gorge]

Fucking sucks

The dorito was such a fun plane

[hollow oracle]

i forgot trump shuttle existed

[mortal furnace]

Hopefully dcs fades and dies out

[hollow oracle]

ehhhhh, not yet tbh

[mortal furnace]

More bugs than in my garden

Shit show of late

How long has halfghan been out for?

[echo gorge]

What can replace it though?

As awesome as bms is, it's not a viable replacement

And there's not really any other options

[full plank]

thank you FSLabs Concorde for bringing me alot of joy

whenever you wanna work that is

[hollow oracle]

My thoughts too, maybe once another viable military sim comes up it would be time for it to go

I would even say, just a good set of military jets in any sim, peaceful or combat, would be a good replacement too

[mortal furnace]

@echo gorge ED has just luck on its side that theres nothing to match there game (For now) BMS is a shout.

For example ED couldnt even get the channel map landmarks in.

[hollow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60DucA5_S2w

[runic hare]

Very fit sight today

[full plank]

off on yet another supersonic excursion

[hollow oracle]

is it obvious that the MD-11 is my favorite aircraft yet

im very slowly getting used to landing with the yoke

[trim harbor]

between the seychelles

toobad no a343

[trim harbor]

based

[reef isle]

huh? what happened?

I've heard of the HondaJet that went for a swim

[hollow oracle]

heli had its rotor shear off above the hudson

[reef isle]

has anything happened since?

[reef isle]

ugh

[hollow oracle]

not really a crash, and barely even newsworthy, but two AAL flights had their wings kiss in DCA too

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1910421866873053245

Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) on X

We’re following reports of a helicopter crash in the Hudson River between New York and New Jersey. At this time, based on ADS-B data and the location of SAR activity, we believe the aircraft involved to be N216MH, a Bell 206L-4 LongRanger IV.

https://t.co/hp2b2oU5Vc

X · Apr 10, 2025, 7:57 PM

6 casualties reported so far

[reef isle]

RIP

[hollow oracle]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1jw8e3s/helicopter_crash_in_the_hudson_river_six_people/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button||

[hollow oracle]

delter

i do not like DCA

[full plank]

mental how an addon can be so fun to fly

[hollow oracle]

https://youtu.be/BRDpzKoFWtU?si=m5GuE3RIzhsAjdZ5

The prayer before takeoff

[hollow oracle]

thank god denver is denver

you can float for like 3000ft on those runways and not be in any danger of a go-around

i floated way more than i was comfortable with but still hit the very end of the touchdown zone

[echo gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/J3rh2V4EDWA?si=nCN0wiC4_6isYI8W wags is streaming the new map

[dusky leaf]

This was on the JF farcebook page with the only comment that they are loving the new enhancements to XP12

[reef isle]

Nice 😄

[runic hare]

fuck yeah

my prediction was right

[hollow oracle]

FSS 727 pax releases this Thursday

Same €40, but 20% discount if you own the freighter version

I’ve been having issues with the FJS one, so it might be worth checking out the FSS one again

[rustic charm]

I’m probably gonna be picking it up the moment it drops on Contrail xD

[hollow oracle]

The sidebar controls of the FJS aircraft are fucked up, some tabs you only left click, some tabs only work if you right click them

For some reason only the settings and the load sheet page work on the 727 for me

[reef isle]

huh?

I never had that

they work fine for me

[hollow oracle]

Like, the weird menu on the left side of the screen that pops out?

[reef isle]

yeah?

[hollow oracle]

On the 732, only the settings menu works with left click, all of the rest work with right click

[reef isle]

I can left click on all of them

[hollow oracle]

hm, im honestly not sure if a reinstall would fix any of those

[trim harbor]

approachin vegas

[rustic charm]

Gamblin’ time!

[reef isle]

-# smol

sad that it has to be so overpriced. At least by putting the MD-80 flight model* into it is flyable

*With some modification to of course, make it fit into a DC-9

[rustic charm]

Tbh I am considering getting both this thing and the MD-80

Does it have a freighter variant?

I know the MD-80 is missing that and it’s a real shame

[reef isle]

Yes

[rustic charm]

Oh that is nice

How bearable would you say the default is?

Cause I probably don’t have the hands to swap & edit the flight model here lol

[reef isle]

Eeh

Not sure tbh

It's very very pitchy and twitchy while being reaaaaaally sluggish on roll

It's very unpleasant

I'll just DM you the flight model cfg if you want

I've asked in the Leonardo forum if they'd mind me making that public

[rustic charm]

Sure, you can drop it in DMs. Probably won’t have much use for it for a while since I just bought the DC-6 and will buy the 727 the day after tomorrow, but probably will get the 9 eventually

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/CXOE2MVJ4AU?si=WBTc7e5oBfqiLQDU

[woeful elbow]

Hello!

[rustic charm]

Tempelhof

Tbh looks nice

Meanwhile I just completed my first DC-6 flight

Lovely bird

[reef isle]

Nice 😄

[rustic charm]

Forgot to send the screenshots onto my phone so can’t post them right now 🥲

Will do tomorrow

The DC-6 is so quirky and I honestly really love it

I mean, it probably is quite similar to other planes of its age

But I’m not used to that at all

Managing the power is a whole different game

And the gyropilot is fun

Of course no vertical speed regulation

But no heading hold either

You can only ask it to hold specific pitch and roll (or wings level)

And no altitude capture either - you can just hold current altitude

And the way it does VORs… maybe I’ve not found something yet, but once you select the VORLOC/APP modes, it stops executing the vertical guidance commands

Basically, it’s a wonderful thing

[hollow oracle]

i am only now realizing how hard it is to taxi taildraggers

[rustic charm]

Don’t think I ever tried one lol

They do look like they’d be more complicated on the ground

[trail monolith]

Anyone able to guess the chopper?

[reef isle]

Looks to be some sort of UH-60

(Blackhawk)

a modernised one with screens instead of gauges, maybe UH-60M?

[hollow oracle]

sorry, was testing out the munitions and accidentally bombed some farm near cambridge

[trail monolith]

Correct

[reef isle]

don't really know much about helis, I just figured that it if appeared on mainstream media, chances are it was a Blackhawk

[reef isle]

if it was russian it would have been a Hind lol

[hollow oracle]

MSFS could never

a little bit unrealistic to give the pilot the bomb release button, but for the sake of roleplay and having a cool toy, i dont mind

would be fun to fly a real bombing mission, those docs are so old that some are publically available now

[hollow oracle]

i figured out why it was so hard, unlocking the tail wheel literally fully unlocks it, it free-rotates on taxi

you have to have it locked for the tiller to operate

[hollow oracle]

doing some MRAO map work, at least for the silver B-17s

[trim harbor]

https://www.justflight.com/category/easter-sale-2025

[trail monolith]

The Vulcan looks mighty

[echo gorge]

It's genuinely excellent

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/bluebird-simulations-shares-new-757-previews-hands-on-demo-at-flightsimexpo-2025/

pity

prob no 2025 release

[runic hare]

been having some fun with Tom's new livery

[rustic charm]

Wait why is a BA plane named after Dallas Fort Worth

[runic hare]

what?

[rustic charm]

In the screenshots

“Cities of Dallas/Fort Worth” on a BA livery

[runic hare]

why woudn't it be nammed DFW lmao

this is kinda a normal thing

[rustic charm]

I just more expected airlines to name planes after stuff in their country lol

Like, here Rossiya only names their planes after Russian cities, and ironically some planes are named after cities that don’t even have airports/air bases

[reef isle]

Same for Alitalia 🙂

Some planes were also named after Italian people too

[runic hare]

KLM, BA (when they named planes), Air France, Cathay, Qantas all name planes after stuff in there own countries as well as externally

[untold finch]

It's about marketing all the fancy places the airline flies

[rustic charm]

Since there are some sales going on, what are the most interesting airports in Europe?

Weird and challenging approaches and stuff

Preferably something that gets served with something other than A320s, unlike Gibraltar xD

[runic hare]

sion is fun

Dubrovnik is ok

[dusky leaf]

Liking Norway at the moment

[hollow oracle]

FSS pax 727 is out

$34.16 USD if you own the freighter version, about $9 off

[rustic charm]

Thanks, will take a look

[hollow oracle]

wtf? when did PMDG release the 777-200?

https://flightsim.to/file/91258/fedex-express-pack-pmdg-b777-fs2

[rustic charm]

777F

[hollow oracle]

its the -200 body one though, not the -300

[rustic charm]

777F itself is not a -300 body I’m pretty sure

[rustic charm]

777F is a freight 777-200LR

If you want a -300 freighter, you need -300ERSF, which we will not get most likely

[hollow oracle]

if you look at the screenshots too, the fuselage is way shorter than the regular 777F

[rustic charm]

It is not

777F is 777-200

It’s a freighter version of the 777-200LR

[hollow oracle]

pmdg made a 777-300ER, and a 777-200 but JUST the freighter?

[rustic charm]

Yes

[hollow oracle]

[rustic charm]

And they will release the -200ER this month too

And then -200LR a month or two later iirc

[hollow oracle]

this company never makes any sense

[rustic charm]

As for the others? Well, 777X once that’s out. But -300 probably won’t happen, -200 probably won’t happen, -300ERSF probably won’t happen

[trim harbor]

Major L that LR isnt first

Should‘ve released the ER/LR as a pack

[rustic charm]

Absolutely

Or well tbh

[trim harbor]

Honest to god

[rustic charm]

In my opinion to justify the prices they should’ve:

• Added -300ERSF to the -300ER
• Released -200LR and F as one
• Released -200ER together with the regular -200 at least, although those things are rare

Ideally the regular 300 would be in the -300 bundle too, but that’s impossible with PMDG

Even though regular -300s are still flying and not that rare

[trim harbor]

ERSF?

regular 300s r quite rare

[rustic charm]

Extended range special freighter

Basically a 300ER freighter conversion

[trim harbor]

is that a real thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW07BTSVXko

oh shit

cold war released

germany

https://youtu.be/CgB1CcIpXKw

[rustic charm]

Honestly you asking that makes me question myself

I’m pretty sure that’s some rather new conversion program

Properly new, just a couple years

But that exists

[hollow oracle]

it is exceptionally frustrating that there is barely any proper B-17s in any flight sims

the WWII bomber, but the best sim of it is a game from 2000

id like to give the A2A accu-sim one a shot, but its like $50 in FSX, which is old and sucks, theres the P3D one but then id have to buy P3D and the plane, and P3D is on its way out

[reef isle]

just bought it 😄

[hollow oracle]

ive been playing around with improving the khamsin one, but it annoys me that its only like 90% accurate, the autopilot system is half-fictional

the difference is immense

[hollow oracle]

i really dont get it

it works on the 732, but a mix of right/left click

[hollow oracle]

there were almost 13000 of them produced, the third most produced bomber aircraft of all time, and in the top 30 most produced aircraft of all time, and you can count the amount of times its been in a simulator on one hand, 2x of those being literally the same game (the mighty 8th and it remaster)