Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[mortal furnace]

still fun tho

[dusty sky]

It's a frog foot

[mortal furnace]

install dcs and use the free trials

so you dont coomit money

[dusty sky]

Hm

[trim harbor]

this, but dont install it from steam

u also get 50% off ur first module

[mortal furnace]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/

yea dont get steam version

[dusty sky]

I have something called parents that don't really trust anything but steam

[mortal furnace]

@dusty sky just trust us i dont think you can trial modules on steam to be honest

[dusty sky]

Look I would if I could

But even when getting the humble bundle tsw4 pack it took a bit to convince them

[mortal furnace]

understandable

[shadow burrow]

god i have missed flying this thing

nice medium haul to get me back into it

[dusty sky]

X-plane is better than msfs change my mind

[shadow burrow]

1 isn't directly better than the other

for simulation depth XP is the way to go

for graphical fidelity and cheap planes MSFS is

[echo gorge]

What? That's just not true lmao

Maybe with the spamram shooting crowd they start their jets warm, but the rest cold starts

[mortal furnace]

they have pfm flight models

[echo gorge]

As to the fidelity, their flight models are good but the systems are heavily simplified, especially navigation

[mortal furnace]

maybe so but i wouldnt call them low

[echo gorge]

Default msfs aircraft have more accurate navigation

[mortal furnace]

and theres not many people i say that will do full cold starts there hypercritical

mfs is based around navigation tho

[echo gorge]

The fc3 planes are good for starting out with dcs, though I'd recommend buying the bundle not individual airframes

[mortal furnace]

how does the m2000 work in fc4 tho?

as its simplified?

i dont have fc4 so dont know

[echo gorge]

Don't have it and can't say

Only got fc3

[mortal furnace]

if they made a 27 id be down for that

mig29 wont cut it

[echo gorge]

Sucks so much we've only got an fc3 su-25, I'd kill for a full fidelity one (or a10a, though I'd rather the 25)

[mortal furnace]

i only ask becuase m-2000 has ins drift

[dusty sky]

[untold finch]

Not any more, you don't

They removed that ages ago

[untold finch]

Mirage 2000 isn't a Flaming Cliffs 2024 module

They only ported the F-5E, F-86F and MIG-15Bis - arguably 3 of the least complex aircraft in the game to begin with

[mortal furnace]

i thought it was but nevermind

[untold finch]

nah, Mirage 2000 is one of the Razbam modules that's now unsupported

[mortal furnace]

yep

[untold finch]

They can only do the Flaming Cliffs treatment for ED modules as far as I know

Anyone playing MSFS 2024? Is it stable enough to be enjoyable yet? I'm mulling when to buy into it.

[echo gorge]

The razbam stuff going the way of the hawk really just removes all my interest in dcs these days

[mortal furnace]

shame the hawk failed

i think razbam will walk away

i got afgan 1 update and no one uses it waste of money like the channel map

i dont bother in dcs to much it got shit and boring

[trim harbor]

whattttt?

seriously????

[untold finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/dcsworld/comments/1azymoa/eagle_dynamics_stopping_50_off_first_purchase/

[mortal furnace]

it was the same with the ww2 asset pack added A.I lancaster then removed it (Not like it didnt play any part at all in Normandy)

[rustic charm]

So if anybody’s been wondering how quickly can a 727 turn around mid-air without losing much altitude… I think this might be it 🥲

The flight was unfortunately overall quite eventful… didn’t even open SimBrief, so I just estimated the fuel. Wrong move. Engines 1 and 3 flamed out just as I was passing the threshold at Kodiak. Engine 2 at least remained, but even with it, the sudden loss of two engines resulted in a fair bit of confusion cause the lights went out right away and a sudden drop in altitude. I pulled up quite quickly but since I was basically at just 100ft I still slammed into the runway

Oh and yeah, as can be seen in one of the screenshots, I was very close to tailstriking on takeoff

[dusty sky]

How the actual hell

That's a fighter jet maneuver not a 727 manuver

[rustic charm]

That’s called “What the fuck is the AP doing”

[hollow oracle]

Aerosucre

[rustic charm]

Nope, Northern Air Cargo

[dusty sky]

You know what that reminds me of, what FedEx 705 did on landing

[reef isle]

have you heard about our lord and saviour for when you need to turn tightly in a small amount of space, the wingover?

[rustic charm]

I actually haven’t

[reef isle]

it's not something you'd do in an airliner, but you basically pull up to exchange speed for altitude, once you're starting to get slow you bank and you let the aicraft rotate by itself (or you help it with a bit of rudder), and then once you're going down you pull to level

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Wingover_diagram_with_birds_eye_view.JPG

this the most extreme version of it

[rustic charm]

Ah, well yeah, not something you do in an airliner xD

In the 727… you just engage the autopilot, think “ah everything is fine”, look away for literally one second and see that your artificial horizon is showing you a bank of over 60 degrees while your speed is at around 130 knots and dropping

And that’s a tutorial of how you get a 727 to turn like that. I do gotta warn though - I have no idea how did I not end up in the bay.

[dusty sky]

That sounds like something I would do on accident

[green egret]

for real, if it wasn't for the graphics I would have never bought msfs

[reef isle]

I mean, it doesn't have to be as exaggerated as the one in the picture, you could only climb about 500/1000ft and remain in the correct speed parameter, as long as you turn while going slower, but without losing much energy (because you're just converting speed into altitude and then back into speed), then it would mean that you'd turn more tightly

[rustic charm]

True, it’s about exchanging speed for altitude and back

Just noticed that there was a freeware Fokker F27 released for msfs

[reef isle]

It's amazing

In FS24 the ASI doesn't work unfortunately

But in 2020 it's a great little plane

There's a Piedmont livery coming for it

[rustic charm]

Wonderful

[reef isle]

And you can have both the French or English cockpit

[rustic charm]

From the screenshots it looks like a better kind of freeware

I’ve downloaded it but not flown yet

Turboprops ain’t really my kind of thing

I don’t think I’ve ever flown one either? I don’t own even the ATR

[reef isle]

The exterior model is a bit FSX-y

But the cockpit looks good

And the flight model is very good

[rustic charm]

Tbh the cockpit is the most important in terms of modelling

The only time I’ll see the exterior is when taking screenshots

[dusty sky]

fr

https://flightsim.to/file/84997/fokker-f27-mk500

this one?

[rustic charm]

Yep

[dusty sky]

https://flightsim.to/file/85194/bgaurant-fokker-f27-mk500-texture-improvement-4k

[mild zenith]

What do you want to say with this

[shadow burrow]

Nothing just showing

[rustic charm]

That’s nicely done

[rustic charm]

A flight by me and it’s for once not Alaska and not a 727?

[vocal sequoia]

a yes, I love ryanair

[tardy hedge]

i wish there were more soviet planes in msfs so i can troll vatsim controllers

like for instance airkoryo iluyshins

[rustic charm]

I’m pretty sure there’s a tu-154 in development which the dev shared a bit of cockpit progress on recently. But I wouldn’t have my hopes up

Meanwhile the rest of the flight. Featuring the signature Standard NoOne Arrival. Being at least 5000 above path - check, this time reached 11000 above. Flaps 10 out above 15000 - check.

You can even see me being gear down, flaps 30, 145kts at 15000ft

[lethal jasper]

why? 😅

[rustic charm]

Just wanted to keep the speed for a bit, so ended up ‘a little’ too high

[reef isle]

never felt this inadequate before 😭

[rustic charm]

Some proper Cubana action

[dusty sky]

So did you land hard?

[shadow burrow]

Gimme reg

I’ll tell u if I’ve flown on that plane before 😂😂

[rustic charm]

It’s EI-DCK

[shadow burrow]

Nope 😭😭

[rustic charm]

Which ones have you been on? I have some other liveries as well, and I don’t mind switching that much really, especially considering I’ve only done 2 flights on this one

[shadow burrow]

Shit tonnes

We don’t have a standard for Stansted we just get what we are given

Yesterday I flew on EI-IJA

Monday it was 9H-QCV and 9H-QCA

Flown on EI-EBN 8 times

Oldest was EI-DCM

It’s a big maintenance base so we get a lot of aircraft turnover as they come here for a week for fixing stuff then head back out to wherever

Did the first online day for EI-IKM back in August

Deadhead all the way to Dublin then got sent to Stansted for some reason the next day

[rustic charm]

I’ll see if I have one of those installed once I’m done with my current flight in around 4 hours

[rustic charm]

My current flight… as of yet. For once had to spawn in a good Sheremetyevo! This is such a relief. I would go crazy if I had to do even one more flight out of the default one. By now, it has been around 10:30 since I took off. Volanta writes around 1:45 yet to go.

This one, when finished, will be around 10% of my total recorded time lol

[hollow oracle]

Is there a way to stop MSFS from backing up settings to the cloud?

I move between my PC and gaming laptop, and both are capable of running MSFS, but at different settings, but MSFS backs up settings to the cloud, so I’d have to redo my settings every time I move between setups

[rustic charm]

Welp, it’s over. 11:49 of flight time. 12:03 of block time. Just a bit short of a proper 12-hour flight

[dusty sky]

Now this is the stuff we need in flight sim

[hollow oracle]

Is that an md-11 or a dc-10

[full plank]

DC-10

[dusty sky]

Pretty sure it's a dc-10

Considering I got them from a server about the dc-10

[mild zenith]

😏

[reef isle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dY4MvTu5SOTgTJPcRsjybozNbnMX7bpnxa4B1bvkk2k/https/cdn.jetphotos.com/full/2/37293_1110365392.jpg?format=webp&width=925&height=634

[rustic charm]

Now out of the 3 liveries shown, that’s easily the best

[shadow burrow]

Lemme guess the KC-10 server?

[dusty sky]

Wdym kc-10 server?

It's some freeware dc-10 project

[green egret]

fs24 finally works

[shadow burrow]

Fair enough just that there is a dev team working on the KC-10A
DC-10-30F
DC-10-30
DC-10 Tanker
all as a freeware project

[dusty sky]

Yeah, looks pretty good to be honest

[rustic charm]

This is 3 flights failed now

I guess trying to land Sitka in a 727 with a non-functional flight director and no VOR/LOC/ILS was a poor idea

In my defence, I almost landed it. Just was a couple feet too far to the right, so ended up falling off the runway into the water and then getting basically launched into the air again after crashing into the localizer

[full plank]

off to costa del heathrow

I do endeavour to do the Braniff stuff as I ended up purchasing Fort Worth aerodrome

[rustic charm]

Honestly I barely know anything about Braniff, but considering I just bought La Guardia and Braniff operated 727s to there, might do some stuff

[dusty sky]

Why not Kai tak?

[full plank]

no interest in investing in Kai Tak scenery & I'd have to download a route

[hollow oracle]

ive barely had any time to do flights recently

[rocky prism]

Me playing Flight Sim be like:

[dusty sky]

Flaring? My plane doesn't have flares

[untold finch]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-gif-20613074

[dusty sky]

Yeah those types of flares

[trim harbor]

career modes abit mid for msfs imho

i cant straight go to helicopters but instead have to follow fixed wing for a while

a really really bad decision to gate lock

[lethal jasper]

I just don't like 24 in general

much better career-like things out there on the market using add-ons (APL, etc.)

[alpine coral]

I hate the VRAM issue

[rustic charm]

Obviously I don’t have msfs24, but I’ve seen it and really, I’m just not that interested in such stuff. Too many steps to reach even turboprop airliners. And for jets? I’d spend a decade just getting there. I haven’t flown GA at all up to now. I only did 1 or 2 tutorials when I just got the game, then said “ah to hell with it I know better” and started on the 738

[dusty sky]

What did you load?

[hollow oracle]

horses

i have no idea, not my buisness, i just fly the plane

id like to do a KMEM-EDDF flight tomorrow (or today, i guess), especially with my new PC and how well the MD-11 performs, it should only take a few hours with simrate

And then I can finally have more than 1 flight cross the Atlantic, instead of my embarrassing crash landing at Heathrow, 800+fpm/1.2+G with the 787

[dusty sky]

800fpm landing? That's butter in comparison to my landings lol

[full plank]

Still flying the same frame, depending on when I get home I might do the IAD-DFW leg

[dusty sky]

Just watching another msfs 2024 video, yep completely broken game

[hollow oracle]

I’m still looking to buy it around Christmas time, but mostly for the beluga, A321neo, and C-17

Though, if it doesn’t go on sale for Christmas, I probably won’t bother

[dusty sky]

Yeah same

[trim harbor]

bruh?

excuse me?

this is insane

[shadow burrow]

Realistic

[trim harbor]

so the controls dont apply from aircraft to heli

gotta rebind everything incl pitch and yaw everytime

god this game sucks

[dusky leaf]

You can try the broken 💩 (2024) for a game pass 2 week trial. Not bothering mysels, its nowhere near ready from what I have seen

[trim harbor]

https://medal.tv/games/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/clips/jdSFXIAqsw2B8qkMb?invite=cr-MSxyOUssMjY0NTM3NTQs

dont press force trim kids

[hollow oracle]

How the fuck do people even fly helis, it makes no sense to me

[untold finch]

With practice

[trim harbor]

dont use msfs is what i can tell you

this shit flies terrible

[untold finch]

Just requires a bit more coordination than a fixed wing aircraft really

[untold finch]

I hear 2024 is an improvement on 2020 but still a way to go yet

[trim harbor]

defo

the helis actually feel like helis

[untold finch]

Might buy in when the westland scout is available

That thing was a blast

[trim harbor]

how r the cowan sim choppers

been looking at their bell and 222b

[untold finch]

I liked them in 2020

Dunno if they've been ported yet

R-22 was especially good, and had the livery from the one I flew in real life

Not sure if it was the same reg though

[trim harbor]

u have to do new controls for EVERY aircraft

bruhhhhhhhhhhh

[untold finch]

Imo, good

I liked that about DCS

Hated having to remember to switch profiles in the clunky MSFS menus

I guess if you only fly twin engine airliners it makes sense to keep the the same, but if you switch around a lot then it's a pain

[dusky leaf]

You have a big stick and a little stick. Pull the big stick up and point the little stick where you want to go. Simples 😁

[hollow oracle]

thats how it works in GTA, not irl

[dusky leaf]

Thats how it works in msfs too 😆

[hollow oracle]

turbulence at 4x simrate is terrifiying

it bounces around like its going to become unstable and crash

[rustic charm]

Tbh never tried simrate, but sounds like something fun to mess around with

Is it possible to hand-fly while sped up?

[hollow oracle]

i wouldnt reccomend it, but it is possible

[rustic charm]

I mean obviously it wouldn’t be recommended, I just might try it as a challenge of “how long can I not crash”

[hollow oracle]

just personally i dont really care to sit and watch a cockpit for 9 hours, and putting it on a medium 4x simrate takes it down to a managable 2 hours

[rustic charm]

Eh, I to be honest just go do something else in the meantime

The Moscow - Denpasar flight was true 11:49, but for almost half of that I wasn’t even at home

[hollow oracle]

ive done that before, but it always sort of freaks me out to leave it unattended for so long

now that i have a brand new PC thats actually capable of running MSFS, its probably a billion times more stable, but i still just dont prefer it

[rustic charm]

Well, yeah, it’s a bit worrying. I just was checking on it through web volanta on my phone xD

Janky since it’s not made nor meant for that, but it works

[hollow oracle]

when i did my last transatlantic, meta quest had launched and paused the game, and i was out of the house so i couldnt even do anything about it

idk, personally the sense of accomplishment comes from takeoff and landing, and not really the endurance aspect, but i like having a big spiderweb of a connected world on volanta, so simrate it is

[trim harbor]

i cannot

with msfs2024

i hate cloud streaming

everything

[rustic charm]

Honestly that’s one of 2 reasons why I stay off

No, lie, 3 reasons

1. Price. Too much. I don’t wanna pay that much.
2. My laptop probably won’t run it anyway
3. Cloud streaming that much? I’d probably get my internet cut off because of that

[dusty sky]

That third reason feels about right

[hollow oracle]

do you actually own anything if its all streamed

atleast with FS2020, you can play truly offline, the terrain and stuff looks kinda crap, but it works perfectly fine

[reef isle]

No

welcome to our modern world

you'll own nothing and be happy.

[hollow oracle]

ive officially crossed both oceans using the MD-11

[rustic charm]

Both? There’s 4.

[hollow oracle]

both north american oceans*

[rustic charm]

Well, to be fair, still 3 there xD

[hollow oracle]

arctic?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Although you can’t really cross it in a plane. I guess only if on some of those ultra long haul flights that go ultra far north

[hollow oracle]

in terms of flight hours, i now have two MD-11s at the top

those are actual real-time flight hours too, not in-game without simrate

[shadow burrow]

god that was fun

[rustic charm]

My top flight hour plane is… a 737-800

[hollow oracle]

i think i still have the most flight hours in the A320-series, between the A321/A320/A319/neo's

[rustic charm]

My top 5 are 3 737s and 2 777s

Right now it is:
Alaska 738 - 29 hours
Aeroflot 777 - 23 hours (that’s 3 flights, yeah)
BA 777 - 12 hours
Aeroflot 738 - 11 hours
Alaska 737 - 9 hours

[trim harbor]

no

[hollow oracle]

'

The only thing is that airbus planes just don’t “crash”

[lethal jasper]

True, they run out of engine parts

[topaz geyser]

PilotEdge, coming into Seattle.
"Expect visual, runway 16L."
"Requesting 16R for training purposes."
"Landing on 16R will make you cross two active runways, expect 16L."
...I'm the only aircraft in the 1000nm radius, for crying out loud!
Also, "two active"? I don't remember in the last 5 years 16C considered active, yet PE just do that.
RW ops, SLC landing north. PE, SLC landing south.
Literally the only good thing about PE is guaranteed coverage and frequency flipping simulator. Otherwise, there's not a single ATC network more disconnected from reality.
VATSIM actively aim to get closer to reality, especially VATUSA. PE just keep on doing their own weird thing.

[reef isle]

Yeah I sort of agree

I had PE for one or two months, and it was fun, but yeah sometimes you got the feeling that the controllers are even more annoying than the real ones

for example once I forgot to say my ATIS when I was ready to taxi, and instead of telling me "let me know if/when you have latest ATIS" (or whatever) he had to tell me "i CaN't GiVe YoU tAxI iNsTruCtIoNs, yOu NeEd tO tElL mE yOuR aTiS"

it was frustrating at times, and I always was really tense, and it wasn't really fun for me (also they opened too late in the afternoon for my time zone), so I cancelled it

[topaz geyser]

@reef isle PE controllers don't act like controllers, they act like examiners, and they treat every flight like a checkride.

And it definitionally can't be fun.

[reef isle]

yeah, that's fair 😄

[rustic charm]

Today’s the 77F release isn’t it

[trim harbor]

thats why im scared of flying on PE tbh

[trim harbor]

yes

[trim harbor]

hey its fslabs

[dusty sky]

All this talk about flight hours when my longest flight was less than two hours long lol

[dusky leaf]

Anything over about 45 minutes is a no go for me.

[dusty sky]

Then what do you fly lol

[dusky leaf]

Helis, and small ga mostly. Airliners bore me

[dusty sky]

Why don't you just fly around in a super hornet

[dusky leaf]

Not my cup of tea

[untold finch]

The MSFS super hornet is not very good, to put it mildly

[trim harbor]

helis based

[rustic charm]

There’s plenty you can fly, even with airliners, with under 45 minute block time

I’ve never done any GA/helicopter/military flight. All of my flights are airline flights. My shortest one was 18 minutes of flight time

And that wasn’t done in some small turboprop or anything either. It was in a 737

Out of my 82 total flights, 15 are between Sitka and Juneau, which takes 30 minutes to do fully, from starting the engines to shutting them

So yeah, there’s plenty you can do in under 45 minutes

[untold finch]

and you can do plenty of military flights longer than 45 minutes 😎 i think i managed about 3-4 hours in the Viper with mid-air refuels in DCS once, before I had to take the VR headset off

[rustic charm]

I mean, you can fly military for a long time lol. Idk if fighters ever really fly a long time without landing, but you also have tankers and stuff. Those things can reach far

[trim harbor]

they do

depends on ur mission really

sometimes ur on station just to be there incase

[reef isle]

yay, looks like I (hopefully) managed to fix the 732 crashing

I'll have to do a longer flight to make sure, but I'm fairly confident it's fine now

[wide zenith]

How have people been finding fs24 😅

[trim harbor]

trash

glorified trash mb

[dusty sky]

I thought that was an aloha airlines livery for a second lol

[dusky leaf]

Seems folk are having vastly differing experiences, some finding it ok, others a nightmare

[untold finch]

sounds like you need a good internet connection and a lot of patience for the moment

[dusky leaf]

I will try it in 3-6 months

[wide zenith]

Will stick with 2020 for my flight sim needs then, thank you

haven't flown the fenix since the sharklets released so that should be fun

[reef isle]

https://www.twitch.tv/virtualairfestivals

VIAF is live 😄

[mild zenith]

https://youtu.be/8Ii-Iz8R7e4?si=CmMaES8Xw8pwwJHL

[shadow burrow]

Quite well actually Career mode has it's bugs but it's working mostly fine

Almost got already 100 hours

[dusty sky]

that's amazing

[dusty sky]

is someone willing to help me program the inibuilds A320 with simbrief

[rustic charm]

Honestly, no idea how Airbus FMCs work

Is there a way to completely disable the msfs in-game ATC?

I loaded up beyondATC because it started working for some reason, and while clearances and other communication goes fine because I simply don’t contact the in-game ATC, the ATIS gets spoken out both in-game and in BATC which is annoying

[shadow burrow]

Can't you lower in ATC ingame volume or does that interfere with BATC?

[rustic charm]

It shouldn’t, I just can’t find where it is

[alpine coral]

Not good
Very buggy

[wide zenith]

Huh I ended up trying it out today, fenix gsx third party addons like I would in MSFS 20 and it worked basically fine, was a bit heavy on RAM usage but my previous issues with CPU load spikes is gone

my main problem is the controls panel, its awful UX wise

maybe I got lucky or smth

[alpine coral]

For me it's the really high VRAM usage
Once it exceeds the amount I have my frames dip to the low double or single digits

[dusty sky]

people voices

in audio settings

[wide zenith]

Oof thats really frustrating, I just read up on it a bit also. seems they've just labelled it as 'hardware limitation' in their issue tracker too

if your game maxes out even a 12gb vram card thats not exactly great :/

[rustic charm]

Thanks

Only problem, it says it’ll silence the copilot

Which is not something I want tbh

[dusty sky]

wdym, what plane are you flying?

[rustic charm]

Well right now the 738, but I do quite often go for the 727 too, and I am learning the 146

[alpine coral]

Yeah, that's what's bothering me
I was able to run ultra textures fine on 2020 with 8GB, but I've reduced it to medium and it still exceeds

It'd be a real shame if they don't do anything about it

[mild zenith]

Under Assistance

[rustic charm]

Thanks, I’ll have a look

Meanwhile I have finished my first flight with ATC, using BeyondATC. I have to say, I was quite impressed with it and I don’t really have complaints. It couldn’t understand my callsign occasionally so asked me to say it again, but it possibly is because of my pronunciation. Also I got cleared for a visual approach and cleared for the landing while I was at 15000ft, but that is partially on me, because I confirmed the airport in sight when at that altitude I shouldn’t have, and either way I just descended too slowly.

[mild zenith]

Can I ask you if it's possible to use beyond atc without the need to actually talk

[rustic charm]

Yes, you can actually

You just have to tab into the app, and when you’re on frequency you will have buttons in the bottom left corner with all the calls you can do

[trim harbor]

Make sure that u dont use premium voices for the first officer

Cuz thats alot of characters used if u do

Personal opinion atleast

[rustic charm]

Tbh I didn’t use premium voices at all right now

You get 50000 characters when buying standard, but I don’t wanna use them

I might if I go flying through Europe, because I listened to samples and basic voices for Germany/Poland are barely understandable. But for US, they are good enough in my opinion

[mild zenith]

Thanks

I never got a clear answer to that

[trim harbor]

they're worth it though

i cant lie

as much as i was against the whole idea

it's not dumb

[rustic charm]

Tbh I might try it, but I just don’t like having stuff run out lol

US basic voices seem to do enough for me

[shadow burrow]

Anyone still awake and up for excitement

Stansted has 40kt gusting crosswinds

[hollow oracle]

the 777F is out

i think everyone kind of forgot that existed

thank god i have something else to fly other than the MD-11 for fedex

its fitting too, the 777F is what fedex is replacing the MD-11s with

[hollow oracle]

ship fedex and have your package end up in a deserted island in the pacific

this has to be an inside joke, right?? the PMDG team have done this on two liveries now

i dont believe at all that someone in 2024 does not know that the US flag has 50 stars now

[rustic charm]

I may not be noticing something, but what’s wrong? 5 lines of 10 stars makes it 50 stars in total

[rustic charm]

Ooh lovely weather ain’t it

[hollow oracle]

50 stars, but in the wrong pattern

They have it in straight lines, like the 48 star flag

[rustic charm]

Ah, fair

Tbh, I can’t even really suggest why could it be. It could even be as simple as them thinking “eh whatever nobody’s gonna notice”

[hollow oracle]

Which is incredibly lazy work

PMDG are headquartered in Las Vegas too…

[dusty sky]

yeah that's the scariest story

this one better

[rustic charm]

Another flight with BATC. “Cleared for visual approach runway 11” was lovely to hear

[shadow burrow]

Looky who we have here

SP-RUM -700 arrived at Stansted

[wide zenith]

spicy crosswind

being able to walk around is neat

[rustic charm]

EasyJem

[dusty sky]

Who needs EasyJet when you have EasyJem

[wide zenith]

factually true statement

[shadow burrow]

Good spawn

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow r u in LEJ anytime jan?

[shadow burrow]

Not sure yet

[hollow oracle]

what

[lethal jasper]

Group flight t JFK

in the PMDG 777F

[hollow oracle]

in my hundreds of hours of flight sim, i have never dared to fly into JFK, newark, or laguardia

only once, to do the sully flight

ive considered doing a jetblue A321 flight from new york to puerto rico or something with my new PC though

[lethal jasper]

Flown into KLGA and KJFK, haven't touched Newark yet.

[reef isle]

Why? What's special about them?

I mean, I guess LGA it's quite interesting in the sense that it has short runways and that visual which can be difficult, but it's just one of the approaches for RWY13 (IIRC)

But if you're not on VATSIM and don't have to worry about the complicated airspace around there I don't think there's much difference between them and any other airport?

I feel like I'm missing something that should be quite obvious

[rustic charm]

There’s really nothing special about those 3

Granted I mainly fly out of LGA/JFK because if flying in, I would probably get serious stutters which could ruin the approach (I mean… both airports take a couple minute to appear after loading into them, need I say more? Folks have done a great job creating those, not an awesome job optimising those)

But really, as for landings, you’ll mostly just get vectors and then visual/ILS

Of course if you fly without ATC you’d have to vector yourself, but then again, it’s the same for any other major airport in the US pretty much

I’ve done takeoffs from all 3, I’ve done landings in all 3, really nothing too scary in them. In MSFS navigating on the ground is painful at JFK and EWR if you don’t have good sceneries, and if you do have good sceneries, performance can be bad, but that’s about it

[reef isle]

I get that it can (or dare I say, should) be a bit scary if you fly on VATSIM, a friend of mine is an approach controller there and the airspace structure is very complicated and unintuitive, there are 3 busy airports in a tiny footprint. You not turning on the SID, or getting vectors wrong is most likely going to cause a big issue for someone else, and some annoyed controllers.

But if you're not on VATSIM then all of that is no factor pretty much

And IIRC ngc doesn't fly on VATSIM

Also there's no way you'd know enough to vector yourself correctly unless you just get lucky or replicate a real flight path.

[lethal jasper]

announcing downwind, base, final, etc. on CTAF/Unicom is sorta vectoring yourself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow oracle]

extremely laggy

[shadow burrow]

In 2020 or 2024?

[hollow oracle]

2020, though ive heard its much improved in 2024

[topaz geyser]

High altitude sunrises are the best thing ever.

[lethal jasper]

Rise n set in general ;p

[topaz geyser]

No, I specifically like above FL370, like where you start to see the curvature of the earth, And that contrast where the sky starts to light up, but the ground is still fully dark... Just pure magic.

[lethal jasper]

Now try it when the SR71 gets released 🤣

[topaz geyser]

Gets released?

It's been out for ages...

[untold finch]

Blackbird Simulations are working on one

I'm not aware of any others in MSFS

[topaz geyser]

https://www.vskylabs.com/p/vskylabs-test-pilot-sr-71-tb-project/

[untold finch]

That's for XP12 😉

[topaz geyser]

Exactly.

They suggested me to try it "when it gets released." The only worthy SR-71 that I can use has been out for a while.

[untold finch]

Ah, I for some reason had it in my head that we were talking MSFS - probably getting my wires crossed, ignore me 🙂

[topaz geyser]

No, it's just MSFS is now sort of a "default sim," everyone assumes that a counterparty uses it.

Which is very unfair.

[untold finch]

I think it's actually because I saw ngc and Morsey Froose talking about it above and assumed it was the same conversation

I definitely don't consider MSFS the default sim for military aircraft 🙂

[lethal jasper]

My assumption came from me only owning MSFS and only knowing of Bluebird's Blackbird, my bad 🫡

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely, I expect Vatsim there gets properly chaotic, and I expect controllers there can get quite angry at times. But if you know what you’re doing, it shouldn’t really be problematic

As for performance, well it can be quite poor when you have custom sceneries

[echo gorge]

Vatsim NY controllers have been great in my experience

(That said I generally avoid ny to avoid idiot longhaul pilots)

You can only watch a BAW 744 park at a domestic gate so many times before you get tired of it

[wide zenith]

lingus

[wide zenith]

Whilst it'll be PMDG i'm excited to get to fly a 744 in a sim, never got the chance as I never used p3d and we had nothing for xp11

[wide zenith]

some small neat details with the ini 330, the more you fly with it the most 'wear and tear' it gets

[rustic charm]

Hey, some of us just genuinely have no idea

That’s pretty much the reason I’m not on vatsim lol

Don’t wanna be a nuisance like that, considering when I fly by myself I just select a gate at random with no reference (Unless I’m in Sheremetyevo)

[trim harbor]

this is what i do

well minus obv if im flying cargo or not

[wide zenith]

If I have the option to see where the flight I did parked on flightradar24 i'll follow it but otherwise yeah I just choose randomly

I'm not gonna park a heavy in a 737/320 spot tho

[rustic charm]

Well yeah it’s more or less easy to see if your plane can actually fit in the stand

Plus to be fair I often fly in spots where there’s literally no choice, you have 2 stands and the only difference between them is jetway vs no jetway

[rustic charm]

Tbh I do even with cargo, just choosing a cargo spot at random

[wide zenith]

I once parked at an iab US customs stand because it was the only place that had a heavy stand

[rustic charm]

I think I once parked a 777 in a narrowbody stand, one where my wingtips were basically in the other stands

In my defence, default Sochi was a horrible place and I’m very glad I no longer have to suffer because I bought payware scenery for it

Btw Jem since you fly msfs24, how do default airports there compare?

[wide zenith]

any specifics you want me to check out?

I just flew into default amsterdam cause my dumbass was supposed to fly to brussels and that had accurate ground markings💀

[rustic charm]

Just overall looks at least

Up-to-date accuracy too I guess, cause I know several of the default airports in MSFS20 are wrong on that. Sheremetyevo is missing a terminal. Istanbul International doesn’t exist at all.

[wide zenith]

Istanbul is a shout, i'll check some and grab some pics

[wide zenith]

so LTFM isn't even there still. UUEE has no proper ground markings. KSEA, CSZT, PANC, PAJN, KSFO, KLAX

with default you get a lot of the world update/upgraded airports for free

all yellow stars are the upgraded airports

lots more if you zoom in but those are major ones

if theres any in particular you wanna see lmk, not much of a departure from the old models. you can also use most of your custom third party stuff if you paste from 2020 to 2024

Stewart looked stunning

[rustic charm]

Well, tbh UUEE does look bit better in terms of terminals, but even the fs20 default had some markings… also, judging by the map, terminal C is not added either - can’t spawn there

LTFM still not being there is a shame

Not only a shame, but also awful really

[wide zenith]

Yeah its really bad, luckily theres a freeware and hopefully it gets updated/works fine

[rustic charm]

In 2020 I more or less understand. It was quite new, there really could’ve just not been enough data to autogenerate it as the others

But by now there surely has to be enough information. And genuinely, I think Istanbul deserves to be hand-crafted really. It’s among the most used airports iirc after all

As for the other ones you’ve shown, they actually look rather nice

[wide zenith]

a lot of them are flyable, maybe i'll fly more variety once fs2024 is running better

i'll say this then go do another 10 easyJet rotations

[wide zenith]

Agree, its a pretty big airport in terms of connecting various places

its an easy way to do quick greece hops to

[rustic charm]

And to the Balkans too

A wonderful place to start from if you want a quick trip to Tivat

Except I’m having to start at Ataturk because no LTFM anywhere

[rustic charm]

You probably mean easyJem

[dusky leaf]

https://planner.flightsimulator.com/landing.html

Looks like this could save you a navigraph sub

Would pay for the game in no time

[hollow oracle]

why

runway isnt closed, atleast no NOTAMs about it

[rustic charm]

Well, some runways are just not in use lol

[hollow oracle]

but why choose the runway with 11kts of crosswind, when theres an option with 5kts and a stronger headwind

[reef isle]

Possibly noise restrictions or there is a better approach available on 10

[hollow oracle]

i really wish i could release my modified hawaiian livery for the a321

[dusty sky]

There's a deer on the runway

[hollow oracle]

you cant land on a floating garbage patch

sorry, "floating island of garbage"

jk i love you puerto rico 🇵🇷

[dusty sky]

[hollow oracle]

the routing on KBOS-TJSJ is really goofy, i would think that it would follow the coastline, but it goes to bermuda and then down

[dusty sky]

Indeed pretty goofy 💀

[rustic charm]

Why follow the busy airspace over the coastline if you can go into the less occupied areas over the ocean without much loss

[untold finch]

Generally better to avoid overflying water if you can overfly land

Unless you're in a floatplane I guess

[hollow oracle]

that was my thinking too

though i guess it kind of works, consdiering bermuda is right on the route, and so is the southern tip of florida, so if you had any emergencies your not far

[rustic charm]

I mean, etops is a thing after all and it never really goes that far into the ocean away from the alternatives to become a genuine hazard

[hollow oracle]

the glideslope is indeed completely fucked into TJSJ, its extremely high, coupled with extremely gusty tropical winds

smooth, but late

[lethal jasper]

I see FS24's KORD is still borked as its a Asobo Custom port from FS20 😂

[lethal jasper]

Angry ATC: "vacate when able, not stop on the rwy" 😂

[hollow oracle]

That’s one thing I suck at, I always forget to disarm auto brake after landing, so that always puts me in a full stop landing

[trim harbor]

push the brakes at 60 kts

manual brake

[mild zenith]

"Autobrake off"

I wish the Fenix could callout things like V1 like in the 737

[hollow oracle]

does that disable autobrake? ive never actually tried it, because ive heard you can blow up tires that way

[rustic charm]

Whenever you push brakes manually, the autobrake is turned off

[hollow oracle]

why?

jetblue flies this route several times a day in A321s, yet simbrief says i cant do it?

[shadow burrow]

Don't they use perhaps a different type of A321?

[hollow oracle]

nope, A321-200s, occasionally a neo

working now, i have no idea what i did differently though

im actually burning EVEN MORE fuel in that plan, and my empty weight is even higher, and it says i can make it that time

[lethal jasper]

Cost Index + Block fuel maybe?

[trim harbor]

yes, u shouldnt do it above 60 kts though

[topaz geyser]

Just SimBrief being stupid.

I've had it with the Challenger, it calculated very poorly for a 7 hour flight, I calculated in ForeFlight and then plugged into SimBrief - and it accepted it.

[green egret]

would have been nice if it wasn't so unstable

when it does work it loads faster, performs and looks better than 2020

[wide zenith]

Agree

bimg

[untold finch]

Is this 20 or 24?

Not sure if the A380 has been ported yet

[wide zenith]

This is 20, I know it can work in 24 with copy paste but I don't trust it with vram stuff rn

[untold finch]

Fair

[dusky leaf]

Yakkity yak

[rustic charm]

Why does SimBrief give a flight from Iqaluit to Ottawa as an ETOPS flight

Is Canada really that much of northing

Is Canada really that much of northing

It’s not even much of Nunavut or whatnot, it’s me mainly flying over Newfoundland and Quebec

[reef isle]

I think ETOPS isn't actually water/land

it's how many minutes away from a suitable diversion airport

so looks like SimBrief didn't find any

[rustic charm]

I know, it’s more about alternatives

I’m just asking, is there really nothing

[reef isle]

Eh, it depends, there might be something and it could be that SimBrief doesn't think it's appropriate, it could be that there is bad weather, etc...

[rustic charm]

Fair

[rustic charm]

Iqaluit

This is why I think //42 stuff is absolutely worth it. And yes, I did start up at the stand. I think it’s not forbidden there, plus it’s mostly because the pushback died

[wide zenith]

SimFX 💜

miss it in 24

[rustic charm]

Plus the 737 immersion pack too

I will probably regret not getting the 777 on sale

But at least I got some airports instead

Now the question is… how the f do I work with ATC

I wanna request takeoff cause I’m lined up and ready

But the airport has no tower or anything

[hollow oracle]

how much FPS does it eat up?

ive heard that it can be really bad, so ive never even looked into it, even though it looks extremely impressive

though i do love their wheel menu, i cant imagine playing MSFS without it anymore

[rustic charm]

I’ve not noticed any performance change at all

[hollow oracle]

ive never actually tried flying the LVFR stuff without the horizon mod, and im too scared to actually try it

and its unfortunately still the only A321neo (in MSFS2020)

i really have no interest in sitting in the fenix for 3 hours too, atleast with the lvfr you can get some high simrates

[untold finch]

in other news, DCS have launched the Iraq map into early access, after having delivered precisely 0 patches for the 6-month-old Afghanistan map, also in early access

if you buy Iraq you're just asking to be ripped off, imo

[rustic charm]

So… I just requested and was given FL420…

I forgot that the service ceiling of the 737 is FL410…

And I’m not empty, and I have anti-ice on

[hollow oracle]

im on a jetblue kick for some reason

i ended up going with the fenix, and doing JFK-LAX rather than from BOS

the jetblue livery with the A321 is just

[rustic charm]

Going back to me wondering about ETOPS… Turns out Canada is more huge than I expected and there indeed seems to be nothing

[hollow oracle]

yeah, the only real big airports crossing are calgary/edmonton and winnipeg

your only other option is municipal airports, if you want to try and land a 737 on those

[hollow oracle]

jesus christ

like a 70kt crosswind in cruise, im flying at a 45 degree angle

now at 160kts

[rustic charm]

Eh, a 737 in municipals is not the worst you could have

But I’m not even in western Canada

I’m over Quebec

SimBrief said there’s literally not a single 737-suitable airport between Iqaluit and Quebec City, and now I believe it

And the winds here… come on, 120 headwind? Can I get that but in tail?

[rustic charm]

Just had 160 knots of headwind… it’s crazy

Finally I’m on descent

[hollow oracle]

ngc does worst landing ever, asked to leave microsoft flight sim

i hear it yell glideslope and that scares the shit out of me, but if i just followed that trajectory i wouldnt have been late

[shadow burrow]

I mean it worked

[full plank]

I haven't played msfs in quite a while due busy

[hollow oracle]

what does this mean

BATC traffic is out btw

[hollow oracle]

do i dare try the A380 with my new PC

8k textures, i should be able to crush it, but it scares me still

[hollow oracle]

performs worse than the fenix by a good margin

[hollow oracle]

the international accents are MUCH better now, aer lingus uses an irish accent, air india uses an indian accent, it all works very nicely

its almost too realistic actually, im going to be sitting at the gate for a while waiting for traffic to clear the taxiway just to get started with the push

having the traffic on 7 seems to strike a good balance between performance, realism, and a busy airport

traffic on 8 was WAY too intense, it was constant radio calls, so bad that i could barely get anything in

probably not unrealistic for heathrow, but usually even the busiest airports have radio calls that are pretty steady but spaced

[hollow oracle]

holy shit...

welcome back aerosoft A330

i get that it's free, i get that it's open source and non-profit, but come on now...

[hollow oracle]

(the only hand-flown portion of this departure was the first turn out)

wtf, a flock of birds targeted my plane and shit all over it

this looks horrible

i never thought that i would actually prefer flying the fenix over the FBW

[rustic charm]

About to do a group flight with a friend of mine, Boston to Heathrow

[rustic charm]

And after a bunch of delays (ground ops, plus waiting for me friend because I told him the wrong departure time so he wasn’t ready) I’m away from Boston

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/9ZzsJSWYkP

[wide zenith]

[rustic charm]

Soon it’s going to be time to turn on the logo light

[rustic charm]

The 300 actually looks quite nice

Might get it relatively soon

[wide zenith]

deboarding went well

[wide zenith]

They usually have it for a good price during sales so look out

[rustic charm]

True

Tbh it’s reasonably priced overall

It’s around $40 iirc isn’t it

[hollow oracle]

its pretty good, i got it but havent used it as much as id like to

its just weird as a cargo aircraft, small and old, but still a lot of them around

[reef isle]

I'd rather wait for the A300B4 tbh

[rustic charm]

True

[reef isle]

the A300 avionics are very similar to the A310 (which is free)

[rustic charm]

A300-600 is the inferior A300 tbh

[reef isle]

yeah it's really boring

[rustic charm]

No FE panel, glass cockpit…

[reef isle]

I mean, it's interesting in a way, since it was the first airbus two man cockpit

but yeah, I'd much rather have the B4

a lot more interesting airlines operated it and it's going to be something completely different from what we're used to

Also I suspect the FM is going to be better

I just don't see the point in paying full airliner price for a slightly better A310 with more bells and whistles (I'll never use no doubt)

If the idea of flying cargo is that important to you, fine, but I'd rather spend my money elsewhere

(also no A310 cargo, sad)

[rustic charm]

It’s a shame we’ll probably never get the cargo 310

[rustic charm]

Does anyone know how to see which ATC frequency zone I’m in? I shut BATC for a bit in flight and now I have no idea which freq to call

[valid thicket]

Ah yes, indeed

[dusty sky]

Is that my favourite Airbus the A300

[hollow oracle]

you have mental issues if the A300 is your favorite

[dusty sky]

Why are you pointing out the obvious

[full plank]

off to Gatwick

[hollow oracle]

got nostalgic for the family trips we did to disneyworld every year, we always took southwest back when they still used canyon blue

horrible livery, but so nostalgic

[lethal jasper]

I quite prefer Canyon to the now ngl

[midnight whale]

https://inibuilds.com/products/inibuilds-a300-600r-airliner-msfs-2024 There's now a Premium Edition of the A300 for MSFS2024 available

And the free update v1.1.3 released for it too

[rustic charm]

Next group flight with me friend, this leg is London to Dubai. Planning to do Dubai to Moscow with Aeroflot next

[rustic charm]

Folks, does anyone know which routes did Boeing deliver 727s to ANA/JAL over? I wanna do something quite crazy like flying over an ocean with that thingy, and delivering a 727 over the Pacific fits the task quite well. The question just remains, did they do it from Alaska directly to Japan or as island hops through Hawaii. Either option would be really pushing the limits of the 72 tbh

[reef isle]

ugh, I can look it up

I found some crazy delivery routes for the F28

[rustic charm]

If you’d be so kind

[reef isle]

no promises

[rustic charm]

Cause I really don’t even know where to look

Simple google is unfortunately not much of an answer in this case

[rustic charm]

How crazy are we talking?

[reef isle]

unfortunately I've only found the Ansett ones (from the same website that had the Fokker ones)

https://www.aussieairliners.org/b-727/vh-anb/vhanb.html

maybe with some deep digging I can find something, but it's not readily avaiable

[rustic charm]

Ansett will absolutely do too, I planned to deliver one to Australia too lol

[reef isle]

https://www.aussieairliners.org/b-727/vh-rmk/vhrmk.html

yeah just look around this website 😄

[rustic charm]

Only we don’t have the Ansett livery for the 727 yet I think, but idk when I’m gonna do it, so maybe by that point we’ll already have the passenger version, which I am sure will have more liveries made by the community

[rustic charm]

Thank you, I’ll take a look

[rustic charm]

And the flight is done

[rustic charm]

Swiss Jem

[dusty sky]

Swiss international jem lines

At this rate we're gonna make every airline about Jem lol

[mild zenith]

Who is jem

[shadow burrow]

^^

[mild zenith]

Ohh

[rustic charm]

Well, every one that Jem flies, yes

[wide zenith]

lemme just fly every airline rq

[shadow burrow]

Royal Dutch Jem?

or KLJem

[dusty sky]

Jem France

British Jemways

[wide zenith]

😭 😭 😭

[shadow burrow]

RyanJem

[dusty sky]

Jemthansa

[rustic charm]

I’d say LuftJemsa instead

And technically that already applies since iirc Swiss is owned by them

[dusty sky]

Yeah that works better

[dusty sky]

Oh wait yeah I do remember seeing that somewhat when searching up the full name of swiss

[wide zenith]

I didn't realise swiss was owned by lufthansa until a cabin announcement pack on the fenix lol

I know lufthansa teknic (or similar) is huge but they / star alliance own a lot

[dusty sky]

That's the most random way to find that out lol

[wide zenith]

Jemirates is the best I could think of

[dusty sky]

That works so well actually

Jemoflot?

That sound wrong

[rustic charm]

American Air Jem
Pacific South Jem
Jemsucre (Jem might not like that)
Jemflot
Jemhay Pacific
JANTAS (Jem and Northern Territories Aerial Service)
Air New Jem
Etijem
Aer Jemgus
Jemited Airlines
Jemta Airlines
JAJ (Japan Air Jem)
AJA (All Jem Airways)

Air Jemryo

[dusty sky]

I'd instead say American jem lines, jem lingus and JJA (Japan Jem lines)

[rustic charm]

Jemiana Airlines

VirJem Atlantic/Australia? 🤔

[dusty sky]

Jem blue

[wide zenith]

Jem2

a second jem

how could the world cope

[rustic charm]

JAS (Jem Airline System)
Jemwegian Air Shuttle
Jemeria

[wide zenith]

Jem Blue and AerJemGus are great lol

[rustic charm]

What about All Jem Airways 😭

[shadow burrow]

How do we fit Jem into SAS?

[rustic charm]

JAS

[dusty sky]

Jem blue is from air blue which is a Romanian airline

[wide zenith]

Scandinavian Jemlines is kinda basic

[shadow burrow]

That is the name of the Swedish fighter jet lol JAS 39 Gripen

[dusty sky]

Lol

[dusty sky]

Jem airlines system?

[rustic charm]

Plus they are actually Scandinavian Airline Systems

That’s why I proposed JAS

Jem Airline System

[wide zenith]

I'm an AI :o

Jemarch Airlines

[rustic charm]

Let me go a bit historic too

British Jemland

Jem Am

Jem World Airways

[shadow burrow]

Took my line

[dusty sky]

How do we fit jem into lot polish airlines

[shadow burrow]

~~Jemish Airlines ~~

[mild zenith]

What would royal air maroc be but jem?

[rustic charm]

I’m actually unsure…

[dusty sky]

Naaaaahhhhhh

[wide zenith]

Jembe

[rustic charm]

Royal Air Jem?

Jemiopian Airlines

[dusty sky]

Especially cuz lot means flight in polish

[mild zenith]

Wait actually Royal Jem Maroc sounds more harmonious

[rustic charm]

S7 turns into J7

[mild zenith]

AirArabia -> JemArabia

[dusty sky]

Jemberian airlines now?

[wide zenith]

Wizz Jem

im a wizard harry

[rustic charm]

I guess xD

[wide zenith]

JEM Portugal

I own portugal

[dusty sky]

Lol

What about TAROM

[mild zenith]

Jemwings

[shadow burrow]

Have we done Iberia?

[rustic charm]

Jemora
Ajem Airlines
Ujem Airlines?
Utjem?

[shadow burrow]

Latam?

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I say Jemeria

[shadow burrow]

Ah

[rustic charm]

Whole world is Jem now…

And of course we can’t forget the one who started it all

[shadow burrow]

Now we gotta fit Jem into Earth or it's other name

[rustic charm]

easyJem

[dusty sky]

Asia? Nah, Jem

[dusty sky]

A classic

[rustic charm]

Now someone gotta start randomly making Jem liveries for MSFS, literally just changing the names of airlines to the list we have here now

[dusty sky]

We need that yes

I wanna fly an easyjem A320

[shadow burrow]

An225 with Jem slap into it

Also we forgot Jembus and Jeming

[rustic charm]

McJemmel Jemglas

Jemheed

[dusty sky]

Don't forget Jembraer

Wait that sounds wrong...

[rustic charm]

de Jemiland (can’t forget the ones who started the jetliner age after all?)

[dusty sky]

What about the Russian manufacturers

[shadow burrow]

I think it's best if we don't bring em up for now

[rustic charm]

Jempolev Design Bureau

[shadow burrow]

Also how do we fit Jem into Antonov?

[dusty sky]

Jemtonov

[rustic charm]

Of if pre-1991, Jemtonov Design Bureau

Jemovlev Design Bureau?

[shadow burrow]

What about Jem into SAAB

[rustic charm]

JAAB

[shadow burrow]

What more is there on the list now hmmmmm

[rustic charm]

Oh there’s plenty really

At least if you go back in time

Used to be so many manufacturers

[shadow burrow]

Let's do train operators sometime too

[echo gorge]

Jemver and Rio Grande Western

[mild zenith]

Joeing

Jembus

Jembraer

[rustic charm]

Jemlford

[ocean trellis]

Jem Baltic when?

[lethal jasper]

Jemited Airlines to O'Jem Jemcago

[shadow burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

[lethal jasper]

The only thing I dont like about 24 is the preflight checks.... wtf do they have you (as the pilot) remove chocks on a commerical airliner? 😂 thats ground crew job

[dusty sky]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow do u fly bizjets in xp at all

[shadow burrow]

Occasionally

I have the gulf 550

[trim harbor]

u seen the new cj525

[shadow burrow]

CL60 and the Legacy as well

No?

[trim harbor]

https://torquesim.com/citationjet525/

https://youtu.be/2su_FJWylKk

[shadow burrow]

That looks good

[trim harbor]

contemplating on buying it

$85 is hefty though

[shadow burrow]

I’m stuck in Belfast for a month so I can’t even play fs

[trim harbor]

i feel sorry for you

why the hell r u in belfast

[shadow burrow]

Downloaded infinite flight to scratch that itch 😂😂

Work

[trim harbor]

r u doing RYR HQ shenanigans

[shadow burrow]

Yes

[trim harbor]

oh

[shadow burrow]

Temp transfer to Belfast because Ryanair UK have 60% fleet availability over the Christmas period

All of there planes are fucked

[trim harbor]

LOL

suprising

[shadow burrow]

Well

Not really

[trim harbor]

i thought RYR had excellent maintenance

[shadow burrow]

We do

It’s just that this summer barely any aircraft have had the possibility of getting heavy maintenance done

The utilisation was through the roof

And all the RUK aircraft are old as balls

[trim harbor]

ah

i have yet to fly ryr

but 200 quid return LEJ-STN is madness

[shadow burrow]

Germany

[trim harbor]

terrible taxes

hate it

though i must say

i usually get FRA/MUC-HND return for 400-500ish

either im spoiled or just lucky

[shadow burrow]

If I’m seeing family in Heidelberg then I fly to Luxembourg now to avoid the tax and just take the train for like 15 quid

Or Basel

[trim harbor]

i could drive to poland or czech but man

it isnt worth it

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

[shadow burrow]

Nah

It’s crazy how high it is in some places

[trim harbor]

it makes 0 sense to me

[shadow burrow]

Idk why

[trim harbor]

oh nvm that's fine tbh

[shadow burrow]

All of our internal memos are just shit talking the German authorities

[trim harbor]

very understandable, every frequent traveller here is too

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

That’s not bad tbf

[trim harbor]

whats a good avg to pay for ryr for 1 route

[shadow burrow]

Depends on the route

[trim harbor]

because 70EUR one way seems

alot

[shadow burrow]

You can get stuff like Copenhagen return for about 30 ish

[shadow burrow]

Luxembourg is usually about 20

Return no less

[trim harbor]

20 return?

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

From London

[trim harbor]

holy cheap

[trim harbor]

goddamn

[shadow burrow]

This is quite good for Sofia

It’s usually about 60-70 return

[trim harbor]

those flight times though

rough

[shadow burrow]

Nahhhhh

I have done 4.30h on a jumpseat while not working on a max 8200

Staff travel is a bitch sometimes

The jumpseat opposite the right toilet as well

So every 2 min you have to stand up

Those flight times are mostly ok

Also Pegasus back from Kazakhstan was dreadful

6h on a domestic config A320

Not fun

[trim harbor]

Pegasus

Im sorry for you

[shadow burrow]

Cheap

So I don’t really care

[trim harbor]

do you lads know any program to make your own sort of company

wtih a not so clunky interface

[dusty sky]

Pretty

[shadow burrow]

https://x.com/flightfactor/status/1862621194073022612?s=46&t=QDE6-4usI_ueSSp7Y4y8_w

FlightFactor (@FlightFactor) on X

Do you guys see anything interesting here?

Twitter · Nov 29, 2024, 10:14 PM

How the fuck did I miss this????

FF777F

[trim harbor]

Mega based

Wonder about the $$$ tho

[dusty sky]

It's gonna be pricey but realistic as hell

[shadow burrow]

I’m gonna assume they are doing the same pricing structure as the 767

You pay for “upgrade packages”

Discounted if you already own the 777

[shadow burrow]

I mean idc, atm it’s arguably the most realistic 777 available for flight sim and it’s still in beta

I’m willing to pay for that

Same as the p3d PMDG stuff that’s aged like milk these days 😂😂

[trim harbor]

willing to pay for that

the 777 is so fucking good

[shadow burrow]

They are also a little bit behind schedule with the full release

They said by Christmas

I don’t think that’s gonna happen

But it’s FF so I know it’s gonna be done

[lethal jasper]

me: "Dear, Bluebird..." 😂

[trim harbor]

Dont forget their 787

I wonder when we‘ll see that

Happy about their 777 though

I need my flyjsim 732 w fms now

[shadow burrow]

😂😂😂

2027

[topaz geyser]

Learning the A340. I think I'm in love.

[shadow burrow]

Let's do this

Nvm

[topaz geyser]

What... happened there?

[shadow burrow]

No idea it's bugged the mission

[dusty sky]

Guys the game isn't broken I swear

[trim harbor]

Toliiss or X Works?

[topaz geyser]

Wtf is X Works?

ToLiSS of course.

X-Works A340 mod For Laminar A330 1.0.1
I don't think I wanna know.

[dusty sky]

How would that even...

I'm so confused

[rustic charm]

732 with fms 🥲

To be honest I can absolutely understand it if you want to fly realistic current day operations

[dusty sky]

I mean, would be cool to be honest

[rustic charm]

I’d prefer the 732 in original condition, the ones retrofitted with glass cockpits (nolinor ones are) don’t look too right. Although tbf, it doesn’t look awful either

[trim harbor]

It‘s not bad apparently

[trim harbor]

That reason

[dusky leaf]

Vastly superior clouds (and performance) to X-Plane

[topaz geyser]

I wouldn't call them vastly superior, but I don't like any volumetric clouds in modern simulators.

The only ones I genuinely liked were Enhanced Skyscapes for XP11. XP12 ones are better in terms of light dispersion and variety but worse in terms of microstructure.

MSFS ones are okay from the side, but flying through them, they completely fall flat. No microstructure at all, neither variety.

MSFS clouds tho do visually simulate convective effects, which is a better part of them.

I'll put it this way: side-lit (reflection), MSFS clouds look a bit more realistic, but through-lit (dispersion), X-Plane 12 look more realistic.

Partially because there's no lens flare, god rays, and all the other completely unrelistic garbage that doesn't belong in a simulator.

Also, X-Plane 12 simulates lit up mist when the sun is low, reducing ground visibility significantly.

I often flew IRL during sunrise/sunset, and that effect is something you gotta get used to and learn to be ready for. MSFS lacks in entirely.

[untold finch]

God rays aren't unrealistic lol

They are definitely visible in real life in the right conditions

Lens flare I'll give you though, no idea why every game these days treats the player as a walking camera

[rustic charm]

Thankfully you can at least disable it

I hate that effect

Why would anyone really want it

Or more so, why would anyone want it on by default

Cause it has its use - if you want to film some cinematic, in right conditions it will be useful

But that’s literally only gonna apply to 0.0001% of players and only once in their whole playtime pretty much

[rustic charm]

Some 727 action I see

Is that the new nav system that was added yesterday?

[trim harbor]

whats the new nav system?

it's the GTN750 im using atm

[rustic charm]

Ah

The new one is GNS?

I honestly am not sure if that’s the name

I don’t fly with anything but INS lol

[trim harbor]

icba to fly w the INS tbh