Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[hollow oracle]

holy shit, i was playing around in MSFS with a helicopter and i can NOT fly them

turns out its a lot harder to do it in MSFS than in GTA V

[dusky leaf]

Not much TBH 😆

[trim harbor]

i hate msfs helis

praying for msfs2024 to fix them

[hollow oracle]

i atleast finally went through and found my house, in a cessna though rather than a heli

its insane how much photogrammetry works fine in rural areas, but once you get into a city its like -500FPS

i cant believe the FBW A380 actually released

that joke singlehandedly jinxed the release by a whole year or so

i cant imagine the A380 is that far out, they were able to do a full flight tech demo, and i imagine they want to get it out before FS2024

[trim harbor]

man seeing PF from old clips 😭

reminds me of the good days

only ogs remember fr

[wide zenith]

matt davies

[dusky leaf]

Big, yes but the planes will be a fair bit faster too. May end up feeling smaller

[echo gorge]

Yeah true

I really hope they add navy aircraft as well

[tired pond]

Even though he was divisive he got so many people into the hobby

And even though I'll watch a few flight sim streamers from time to time I won't watch them like I watched Matt

[wide zenith]

His passion was/is unmatched imo, in the current content creation scene anyway. PFly was born out of passion and felt a lot more genuine than Volanta does. Really sad the way things played out

At the core of everything he just loved flight sims, deeply. but did get into plenty of controversy as a result

[tired pond]

Yeah, the whole pta thing for example

Pta was actually really nice though tbh

I couldn't get p3d v5 looking how I wanted as pta never came out for it

[wide zenith]

One of many for sure, I remember the stream where he got banned from vatsim too

do wonder just how far that a380 got

[hollow oracle]

its an otherworldly experience to get high as balls, listen to the soarin' theme, and do some flying in MSFS

https://open.spotify.com/track/10n8QgSpFaTQDwpy73YCfC?si=08afb3ea7ae54634

[wide zenith]

First time LDA 22 RJTT, over did the initial turn in leaving me a little left of the threshold, but got in the TDZ quite well

[rustic charm]

Approach into Cordova is wonderful ngl

That wasn't a failed approach or anything, it's genuinely the path for ILS 27 from JOH waypoint

[mild zenith]

can i add you on volanta

[rustic charm]

Of course, I’m there as NoOne9497

Can’t accept the request right now, but will once I’m home

[reef isle]

I can't believe they fixed it 😄

[hollow oracle]

it is really never as easy as "im gonna do a quick fenix A320 flight"

its like 2 hours of troubleshooting the EFB not working but everything else working, and then flying

every. single. time.

[hollow oracle]

after a good 30 mins of troubleshooting and 3 restarts, it work

i hand flew the departure, i really need to do some more hand flying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN-542IYoE0

[hollow oracle]

almost fucked the approach, thank god i was flying the fenix, and the a320

if i was in a boeing, or the ini a320neo, i would be overshooting the runway at like 10k ft and quitting

its almost like actual pilots train on one type of aircraft so they get proficient at it, so if something like this happens its not an issue

[hollow oracle]

skydolly REALLY sucks, tried recording again and i got an even choppier recording

i think i prefer sacrificing animation quality for a smooth replay

[dusky leaf]

https://twitter.com/XPlaneOfficial/status/1810765220177907937

X-Plane (@XPlaneOfficial) on X

From the brilliant minds behind Torquesim and LES, Retrowings are on a mission to create a DC-9 for X-Plane. We will be keeping our eyes on this one, as it will no doubt be an incredible simulation!

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 7:57 PM

Generally airliners bore me, but I might make an exception for this

[trim harbor]

ayo dc9??????

@reef isle obligatory ping

[reef isle]

Nice, looks like I'll have to buy Xplane 12 soon 😄

[shadow burrow]

It does look really promising tbf

And the guys behind it have made some exceptional stuff before

[echo gorge]

Ooh incredible

[hollow oracle]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9IQVVHS9Tf/?igsh=MTlja2cyOWZvYmt2dA==

downielive

How do you get into a Boeing 737 Fireliner without a ramp or stairs?? ✈️ 🔥

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PMDG wen

The amount the nose drops is terrifying, I can’t even imagine how hard it is to fly that, it’s literally going from a fully loaded plane to an empty one mid-air, not to mention the drag of the water falling and the door being open

In an older 737 too, that ain’t fly by wire

[rustic charm]

I believe 737s still ain't

Well, not fully at least

And NGs weren't fly by wire at all iirc

[hollow oracle]

I thought the max started using a fly by wire system

[rustic charm]

Max possibly, I don't really know

Quick google search says only for spoilers

[trim harbor]

the NGs arent FBW

idk about the max though

[rustic charm]

Yeah

Well, google says max is FBW for spoilers, everything else is hydraulic

And the NGs I'm quite sure are basically the same in terms of flight controls as the Classics

[rustic charm]

Flying the smol boi

This is the first real flight in it, and I love it

Such a different experience compared to the 737/738

[rustic charm]

Well, the landing did not go well

[hollow oracle]

Welcome to the club

[hollow oracle]

I’m curious as to the energy savings of the American polished aluminum livery

Reflective = sunlight bounces off rather than absorbs, which means it’s naturally cooler, and less fuel being used to cool the cabin

Vs the Air New Zealand all black livery

There’s a lot of variables though, I’m not sure how well insulated aircraft are, and being high in altitude means more UV hitting the aircraft

[rustic charm]

Tbh no idea, and I’m rather sure energy saving didn’t really play a big part in planes being polished aluminium xD

[hollow oracle]

it probably wasn’t intentional, but I’m wondering if it did just happen to have any energy savings

Obviously it was probably like 1 gallon of fuel every 20-40 flights, nothing even significant, but I’m just curious if it did or didn’t

[echo gorge]

Paint is also extra weight vs unpainted

I'm sure there's less energy used on the ground, but in the air they're heating the cabin not cooling it

[hollow oracle]

That’s true too, that’s why silver was a popular color in early airliners, it was classy and invoked streamlining, as well as just saving weight

[echo gorge]

Piedmont my beloved

[reef isle]

Niceeee 😄

F28 my beloved (Piedmont as well) 🫀

[reef isle]

Oh really? That and the F28 are the planes I find the easiest to land well.

[shadow burrow]

Never

They refuse to make non winglet versions because “it’s too much work”

[hollow oracle]

Non-winglet?

Though, with how high fidelity their aircraft are, they’re not wrong, winglets change the flight characteristics pretty noticeably

[rustic charm]

They’re not hard to land overall, but in that case I might’ve forgotten where to disable the autopilot xD

Plus, I barely have any experience in the F28 either

Did that flight mostly to navigate without vnav and lnav, and I gotta say it was fun. Having a map pulled up with all the VORs and setting them all up one by one as I go, quite a different experience compared to the 737 where you can basically sleep in cruise

[rustic charm]

Unfortunately wouldn’t really make sense to make the firefighter, which is a modified classic, without the classics. Plus I’m not sure how the firefighting would work in the sim as of now, but that definitely seems to be a feature in msfs2024

Wish PMDG didn’t refuse to do classics though, they’re lovely… and come on, I want originals too

[shadow burrow]

And yet it’s been done for free for XP with roughly the same level of detail

That’s what pisses me off about PMDG

They don’t make the best addons but they still charge like they do

[inner maple]

after idk how many days now

we're almost there gang

only took a whole ass week or so to get it down to 23

[mild zenith]

What is your download speed?

[rustic flume]

time to fly to dublin

[inner maple]

like 2 - 3mbits average because of the shitty installer asobo made

and I'm stubborn so i aint getting a vpn just for the download to be faster or whatever

[inner maple]

[hollow oracle]

i wish someone could just go in and replace the winglets on the inibuilds or FBW neos or SOMETHING

we need something better than the latinvfr, and something better than the fenix

because like no american airlines fly the neo

theres frontier and spirit, thats it

[hollow oracle]

its literally just specifically the captain EFB that refuses to load, the FO EFB works fine, and so does every other screen and system

im not sure what external software is responsible for it too, so i cant manually kill and restart it

loading in once, exiting back to the menu, and then re-launching the flight seems to fix it

[hollow oracle]

flightcontrolreplay doesnt work with the fenix, nor at all, it just sits there and flips between the pause and play buttons and refuses to continue showing the replay

new york looks stupid as shit when flying out of laguardia too, the empire state building has no LOD and it sticks out extremely bad

[hollow oracle]

lmao, its because he decided to bind A to play/pause replay

and you cannot rebind it, i have it unbound yet it still plays/pauses

works far better than skydolly, sucks about it not working with the fenix, though im not surprised

outside of that, atleast it looks like a smooth replay, hopefully it works with a not shit aircraft

[hollow oracle]

The real solution is flying the FBW A320 more often, and just sort of ignoring the winglets and engines

[lethal jasper]

I mean yeah, only Frontier and Spirit fly the A20N in the US, if only they made it a A21N.

[hollow oracle]

or even an A319, american has a ton

atleast some airlines took A320ceos with the winglets, which makes it atleast a bit closer to a neo

[mild zenith]

@hollow oracle take a breath

[crisp adder]

Currently really looking forward to the Fenix A319/321 expansion, as there's a bunch of shorter hops the 319 is especially well suited for.

[untold finch]

Aerial Simulations are doing a 707

Howdy, time to finally reveal one of the projects that the team at Aerial Simulations have been working on. The 707!

The external model shown here has been in development for over a year.
It's still WIP, but close to final form and we feel these renders show the level of accuracy we are aiming for.

The initial release will include two variants: the 707-320B Advanced and the 707-320C.
These models represent the later, improved versions of the 707, featuring increased range and payload capacity compared to earlier variants.

The 707-320B Advanced was a popular passenger variant, while the 707-320C offered a convertible configuration, allowing for quick changes between passenger and cargo layouts.
Both models will be faithfully recreated for MSFS2024, capturing the essence of these historic aircraft.

Looking ahead, there are plans to expand the 707 family in Microsoft Flight Simulator. Additional variants are in the pipeline, aiming to cover the diverse range of 707 models that served airlines and military operators around the world.

We'll share more info in the coming months.

[shadow burrow]

Oooo

That nose looks a bit jank

[rustic charm]

That is nice, at least there's gonna be something other than the famous flyer 707 (if that even releases lol)

[shadow burrow]

720 is cooler I think

I like those more

shorter

faster

[rustic charm]

Well, I love both

Having a 720 would be absolutely wonderful too

Even though they weren't the most popular, it's just fun to have such a plane that is basically made for small runways

[reef isle]

You want a CEO better than Fenix?

[reef isle]

There's a decent freeware for Xplane11

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/82586-boeing-720720b-xp12xp11/

[shadow burrow]

yeah

I've flown it alot

[reef isle]

Cool ❤️

I want to fly it more

[rustic charm]

Forgot to send this one

[shadow burrow]

I’m gonna put this here since you lot are more likely to work for Ryanair

Word of advice = don’t

They had me for an overnight in Berlin last minute for tonight, that flight got cancelled but they still have me on duty tomorrow from Berlin

No one knows anything and they aren’t getting in touch

How is this possible

The only option that the base supervisors are suggesting is fly to Köln and taxi to Berlin

But that’s like 4h if it’s fast

Apes

They are all apes

[hollow oracle]

going from the fenix a320 to literally any other plane is like putting on glasses for the first time

[rustic charm]

That genuinely makes no sense indeed

[hollow oracle]

i love it when toolbar pushback breaks

[trim harbor]

taxi to berlin

are u crazy

[hollow oracle]

yass queen

[trim harbor]

i doubt anyones willing to do that

[shadow burrow]

They canned the flight tomorrow as well so they just told me to go home

[trim harbor]

god fucking bless

[inner maple]

RAAAH

at last I can install this

[rustic charm]

Well, at least you'll be flying a proper Airbus

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[rustic charm]

And not gonna be just telling a computer what to do in hopes that computer complies like on everything after the A310

[hollow oracle]

ive never had a computer issue on any airbus, you tell it what you want it to do, and it does it for you in the safest way possible

[rustic charm]

I just trust non-FBW more. Plus, I just prefer a yoke really

[hollow oracle]

mechanical flying is horrifiying to me, if you lose a hydraulic line, you might as well say your prayers

whereas with fly-by-wire, as long as you have the giant bundles of wiring intact, itll work just fine

you cant even invert an airbus, i was goofing around with it yesterday and it just simply would not allow an extreme bank angle

i guess it all sort of depends on your trust in automation vs trust in nuts and bolts

[lethal jasper]

or a simple flick of circuit breakers irl

[hollow oracle]

true, but thats true with both aircraft

actually, with boeing id argue that simply turning off a hydraulic breaker would kill the plane, youd need to do a lot more for the airbus

[rustic charm]

Exactly. And I just prefer classic stuff mostly

[hollow oracle]

speaking of airbus, apparently the latinVFR a320 series got updated today, "new model, new textures, new animations, newly redesigned highly detailed wing"

[rustic charm]

Well not entirely true. Even without hydraulics, the plane will still fly. Just the pilots will need to more force to make inputs, since there are still mechanical links

[hollow oracle]

the A321ceo should be out "within the coming weeks" too

i cant stomach it without the horizon mod, so hopefully that still works, there hasnt been an update in a while

plus im hoping the cockpit clipping through the externals was fixed, that was a huge killer for their 320ceo

[rustic charm]

Hmm, new model and stuff? Interesting, seems like a big update

[reef isle]

Ixeg?

[shadow burrow]

IXEG/RGmod

734

[trim harbor]

damn

rgmod\

that brings back memories

i didnt know it still existed

[shadow burrow]

only works on version 1.3 of the IXEG as far as I know

and i lost the login for the russian forum

[tardy hedge]

does anyone know if youre going to need to pay extra for the new MSFS thats coming out?

[eager moon]

It's a whole new product as far as they're concerned

I'd wager that we won't even get a discount if we own fs20's premium deluxe

[hollow oracle]

The DTG style of game development

[rustic charm]

Yeah, having to cover the costs of updating the core

Microsoft just doesn’t do it as often… because it’s Microsoft

[tardy hedge]

amazing

[tired pond]

Longest cycle tbh as it was generally every 2 years

[rustic charm]

True

[wide zenith]

757 wen pls

[rustic charm]

Probably relatively soon

[wide zenith]

keflavik v2 is great too

[wide zenith]

[rustic charm]

Iceland

Also, the toolbar arrow there

Or whatever it’s called idk

[hollow oracle]

speaking of iceland, ive really been meaning to do the new flight between PIT-KEF

wow, the new latinvfr a320ceo is actually pretty great

and thats not even sarcasm, the model looks great

no more issues with the cockpit popping out of the externals too, previously you could see the inside of the cockpit roof from the top corners of the fuselage

the interior still has horrible culling, but thats not a huge dealbreaker for me because i dont really care about the interior too much

and the horizon mod still works with the newest update

which is awesome, because you get FBW A32NX performance and realism in an A320ceo, the best of both worlds

the only thing i have yet to check, is that the last time i was messing around with the horizon mod, the latest FBW A32NX development version had broken the physics entirely on the A321, putting the throttle on taxi speeds would launch you at like 400kts

takeoff performance was good, no issues from me

[tardy hedge]

ughhh why did simbrief remove the option to download flight plans for games like MSFS

that was actually such a nice feature

[rustic charm]

I honestly never used it lol

Didn’t even know they removed it

[tardy hedge]

i used it cuz MSFS kept fucking up the flight plan so it was just easier to download it and import it

[rustic charm]

I just input the flight plan manually every time while I fly the 73

And when I flown the F28, well you don’t need to input a flight plan there. You just navigate by VORs

[hollow oracle]

they did?

i still can download flight plans, i have the simbrief downloader app to do it automatically actually

its overkill but i like to put the actual flight plan into MSFS as well as loading it into the aircraft via simbrief, its a good backup

[tardy hedge]

same

[reef isle]

First VATIM flight (with control) ✅

I'm so happy they fixed it, I love this little goofy thing

[tardy hedge]

omg is it me or the download speed for simbrief is slow af

[hollow oracle]

i love how the excuse fenix gave for the stick seeming to lag behind was "updating the animation less than once a frame helps save perforance"

meanwhile on the FBW aircraft, updates once every frame, no performance issues, and the stick actually matches the position of my physical joystick

[wide zenith]

we get it, you don't like the fenix

[reef isle]

I don't really get this, 99% of all the MSFS planes have some lag in the controls.

The Fenix doesn't feel any different to fly than any other aircraft in this regard.

And as I said, I have yet to find a plane in MSFS that follows my stick movement 1:1, and to be fair, not even some DCS aircraft do.

I obviously have no idea how a real A320 flies, so I can't possibly comment on that, but the Fenix is close to what I'd expect a FBW aircraft to behave, it actually reminds me a lot of the DCS F/A-18 in a lot of ways, and I guess that's a high praise for a MSFS FBW/Flight model.

[hollow oracle]

and i will complain about it until the day i get my new PC

[reef isle]

Also I've seen a lot of contrasting opinions from RW pilots, some say it's not anywhere near, some saying it's as good as you can get in a video game.

The most general idea I got from listening to all sorts of real pilots is that Flare is definitely its weakest point, and the rest of the flight envolpe ranges from "OK" to "very good"

[hollow oracle]

is there any way to reset the PERF page on an airbus? i somehow accidentally managed to trigger the descent phase while climbing and its locking me to 250kts in cruise, and i think it also got rid of the descent marker

[hollow oracle]

wow, supportive customer service, who would have thought that was a thing????

re-entering your cruise on the init page resets the PERF back to cruise

[tardy hedge]

is it me or MSFS planes have insanely oversensitive rudder

[mild zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-upset-violin-sponge-bob-mr-krabs-gif-3363592

[hollow oracle]

this was truly a landing of all time

definately not a hilight reel landing, but it is the first one i recorded using FCR

thats a great landing on ryanair though

definitely flared too hard as i cut the engines, and climbed before i dropped

[mild zenith]

Hell nah

[wide zenith]

obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5d3sGxSXQ

[rustic charm]

To be fair that's still much better than the roller coaster I sometimes give to the poor passengers. But that usually happens when I am not on ILS or when the autopilot fails last second...

[wide zenith]

rare elena flight sim post

[heavy schooner]

Real, redownloaded it cuz felt like it

[mild zenith]

Once in a lifetime moment

[heavy schooner]

fr

[wide zenith]

@inner maple

[crisp adder]

Iceland how I remember it the last two times we landed there. Grey, overcast and rainy. Lovely place, though.

[hollow oracle]

https://x.com/chiitan7407/status/1779741603340689896?s=46

ちぃたん☆／Chiitan (@chiitan7407) on X

Ceremonies for safe flight

Twitter · Apr 15, 2024, 5:20 AM

Thank you chiitan

[wide zenith]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/6T1peaodHUeu4QGd/

[inner maple]

RAAAAHHH VERY NICE

I'm still learning the a300

watching tutorials n such

that livery rocks btw

are those ground units part of gsx or

[wide zenith]

hi montes

yep thats gsx

[rustic charm]

Tbh y’all making even me kinda wanna get the A300

[inner maple]

get it already

[inner maple]

okay okay

I doubt anyone remembers but

can anyone ping me if gsx goes on sale by any chances if that ever goes on sale on the first place

kinda wanna get it but i aint payin allthat

[rustic charm]

No.

Honestly I just think that I have better purchases to make

Plus the A310, which is quite similar, is in the base game

[inner maple]

no freighter variant

mid!!!

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but for freight I can just get the MD-11, which has a better number of engines, or wait for the 727, which also has a better number of engines

[rustic charm]

Approaching the top of descent

Not far out from Sochi

A fair bit of turbulence over the mountains

And I somehow already caught the VOR/DME lol

Overflying the airport

[rustic charm]

Welp, it's done

[tardy hedge]

actually a good flight before my gpu decided to say no 20 minutes in (ignore me nearly overspeeding)

[reef isle]

I can't believe I'll be in KOSH in about 1:30 hours with this. I've talked with a person that had some experience in controlling during previous KOSH VATSIM events and I've been told it's fine, I'll definitely say to the controllers that they can tell me to disconnect at any moment. I'm actually terrified

[hollow oracle]

stop making me want to buy xplane

[echo gorge]

Good luck

[reef isle]

Well, the Beluga is no longer on sale so...

[reef isle]

Thanks 😄

[shadow burrow]

Do it

12.1 is insane

I tell a lie

12.1 + O4XP + Simhaven is insane

[hollow oracle]

I’ve heard that xplane might perform better than MSFS too?

I’m CPU bottlenecked

[trim harbor]

For me its the other way around

Xplane performs horrible for me while msfs performs super well for me

I never figured out why

[shadow burrow]

Vulcan/opengl limitations

The way openGL was implemented in xp is dreadful and Vulcan is old

[shadow burrow]

Really depends on how it runs

It’s really picky on what it wants to run on and if it decides to run well then it’s incredible

If not your gonna have drops to 10-5 FPS and that’s on medium graphics

But if it does then it’s worth it

Toliss, FlightFactor, Aerobask all XP exclusives and then you speak about the freeware community

It’s huge

[trim harbor]

My issue exactly

[rustic charm]

Ketchikan to Seattle

[tardy hedge]

awesome

honestly not a bad plane

[rustic charm]

The PMDG 73s are wonderful

[tardy hedge]

honestly even if a 737 is more complicated and frustrating than the a32nx

i still like it

also the trim sound is sexy

[rustic charm]

It's only slightly more complicated, and tbh I wouldn't call it frustrating

It's just less computerised

Because the plane is basically from the 60s and it hasn't changed that much since then

[tardy hedge]

true

how do i hide the hud/disable the third person hud

😭

[rustic charm]

You can disable it in assistance settings iirc

Or if you just want to take a screenshot, you can just use the showcase camera and it won't have any hud

[hollow oracle]

gay plane

gay airbus?

[wide zenith]

airbussy

[tardy hedge]

starting to becoming beautiful

[rustic charm]

Not yet for me, considering I'm flying in the far west

[wide zenith]

favourite part of flying this plane

[hollow oracle]

how adaptable is it to fly the A300/A310 anyway, coming from an A320 or a boeing

[rustic charm]

I'd assume those 2 have more similarities to a Boeing tbh

[wide zenith]

Really quite easy

its the same mentality of no white = good

[rustic charm]

Sounds kinda discriminatory against the colour white

[wide zenith]

its more of a mix of both boeing and airbus, you have to do stuff like manutally input the ils freqs and course, you have an off position on the gear lever, probe heat isn't automated so you gotta press those in and also have to input the flex temp

but if you've flown either or both, its easy to understand the flow

[tardy hedge]

you need to manually input the flex temp in the 320 too

and oh my fuck

[wide zenith]

yeah but its a bit different, you set it in the fmc in the like in the 737

[tardy hedge]

well yeah

[wide zenith]

and need to make sure the power is set to auto on climb ect

big cozy

lots of gauges tho v fun

[rustic charm]

Wait, on which planes don't you input the ILS frequencies?

[wide zenith]

most modern aircraft

777, 787, a320, a330, a340 probably off the top of my head

there is a good practice to still input manually, or at least check the navcom pages to make sure it alligns to your approach plate in those aircraft however

or at least I do

[rustic charm]

How do they get the frequencies though? Just intercept the first interceptable ILS?

[wide zenith]

Thats past my knowledge, I assume its just more data that the FMC has to reference when you select which ILS/LOC approach

generally its one of the main reasons I have navigraph charts, because its easy to reference the localiser freqs 😅

[rustic charm]

Same except with just charts, cause I don't have the Navigraph sub

SkyVector is a good source for US, at least that's what I've been using all the time

[rustic charm]

But the key question for it then, can you still manually control it if you want to?

[wide zenith]

Yeah, theres usually a page with all the frequencies the plane has planned or is using, so if need be you can manually input them

[rustic charm]

Well that's alright then

[wide zenith]

in the FMC ofc, usually under the name of smth like 'navcom' or 'com'

[rustic charm]

Descent into Seattle started

[wide zenith]

sorta like this

but the FMC will pull data automatically into those fileds once you select the STAR/Approach

[rustic charm]

So basically it makes your life easier, but if you really want to you can just go "No, it's all wrong" and input other frequencies. Perfect way

[wide zenith]

yep just another way of reducing workload on the modern stuff, although i'd bet a lot of pilots check it anyway because it would be rather embarrassing and probably get in trouble to say you missed the localiser on freq :p

[rustic charm]

Oh that's just perfect

So glad I don't have to deal with things like that much

Because 90% of the time I fly to airports with 1 runway, 1 taxiway and 3 aircraft stands

[tardy hedge]

my descent is starting soon

2 more waypoints then im there

[rustic charm]

The crazy phase of the descent is over (well, -3k/-4k fpm is "crazy" in my books)

[wide zenith]

the best airports to fly into

[tardy hedge]

i think thats normal tbh

4k maybe is overkill tbh

but 2k-3k fpm is okay

[rustic charm]

When I control the descent by going v/s, I try to not go over -1800

And tbh in this case, VNAV just wanted me to fall 17k ft in something like 30 miles, which is why it went to such descent (it can't go more I believe) and missed correct altitudes on several waypoints, so to be fair it's my mistake I didn't check it and set it to begin the descent earlier.

[rustic charm]

Yeah, absolutely best, especially when you have just 2 landing paths, one of which is an ILS offset by 3 miles and 20 degrees, and another one is an NDB aproach with a 90-degree turn on final

And that isn't an imaginary scenario, that's a real airport

At 2k ft and in clouds, perfect

[wide zenith]

based

[rustic charm]

At least ILS was intercepted fine

[wide zenith]

reminding me I need to do a innsbruck flight in msfs, haven't done that since xp11

but the circle to land there is iconic

[rustic charm]

I've actually not tried flying there

[wide zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHIyb9_MdUA your motivation

even if you dont fly in EU much, i highly recommend

questionable mic

[rustic charm]

Taxiing

I usually record the landings, but this time for some reason the game started freezing so I had to stop recording

But well, at least there's Volanta

Not like I share the recordings anyway

And Volanta's lagging for some reason

Shows the flight path correctly at first, but then switches it and shows random stuff

[wide zenith]

I recieved an update on logging on volanta today, could be doing weird things

[inner maple]

Jem

[wide zenith]

hi montes

good evening

[inner maple]

which tutorial did you use for the a300

I'm mad it doesnt come with a manual

[wide zenith]

I didn't

[inner maple]

wow smartie pants

:(

[wide zenith]

do you accept british tutorials

[inner maple]

I think I know who you're going to send me

[wide zenith]

briish avgeek

[inner maple]

yeah I've been watching those

[wide zenith]

still struggling? :(

[inner maple]

a little

one step at a time

until it gets into my brain

this will be the plane i'll most likely stick to the rest of the time I play msfs anyways so

I really need to get gsx without it loading the plane is just so empty

[wide zenith]

if you hab any questions, shoot me a dm

[inner maple]

will do!!!!

am stalking ur flight on volanta rn

[wide zenith]

yea its going horribly

[trim harbor]

whats yalls volanta

[rustic charm]

The best way

[wide zenith]

JemLotelia

[inner maple]

NO IT ISNT

[rustic charm]

NoOne9497

[trim harbor]

https://www.businessinsider.com/pan-am-airlines-jet-age-transatlantic-journey-2024-7

(its on a 757)

[rustic charm]

Did Pan Am have 757s? I'm not sure

[trim harbor]

they mightve ordered them

[rustic charm]

Though it's nice to have some memory of the iconic airlines, I don't think it really makes sense. I mean, you can fly Pan Am's routes all the same on other airlines now. It's not like they had some exclusive right to certain routes

I'd absolutely understand such trip... if it was on an actual Pan Am plane, as in, one of the older ones. One of the original 74s (if there's still any that can fly...) or even some prop

[wide zenith]

thank you inibuilds

wish you could access the init b page after takeoff but oh well

[inner maple]

I wish taking screenshots in msfs was easier everytime I hop on back into the game after a while learning it such a pain in the ass

the cameras built into the game work more bad than my brain need a whole ass engineering degree to take a screenshot

[rustic charm]

Eh, I got used to it tbh

[hollow oracle]

doing some general aviation in the C172 today, because i need to learn how to do something that isnt commercial airliners

[mild zenith]

• Chartfox

[mild zenith]

They fixed some small stuff and also updated the (satellite) maps to be more up to date (and added missing greek airports)

[mild zenith]

I recommend this

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtFw-RsDhI867orKAa3qH-1YIu0fXNWF-&si=7dey7zE84qw3gy-O

[hollow oracle]

i was watching the saga of KORD unfold, and UPS613 was a big pain in the ass the whole time, coincidentally an A300

which i honestly thought most were taken out of service, but it turns out there are still hundreds flying

the fuck, its only 23 years old, they were building A300s into the 2000s???

my brain is stuck associating with lower number = older model i think, but still

[crisp adder]

It´s been well over a year since I last flew it but I´m kinda hot for the 737 again.

[wide zenith]

Found out the other day they're still producing 767 frieghters

[reef isle]

It's mostly true (717 doesn't count). The A300 was the very first Airbus model, the A300-600 (so the one with the 2 man cockpit), had its first flight in 1983. (4 years before the A320's first flight).

It just had a very long production run because of the freighter variant, those can last a long time, as Jem said the 767 freighter is still in production

[rustic charm]

Indeed

And don’t forget that sometimes old models just live for a hella long time, look at the 737. Still in production, and outlived both the 747 and 757, which both started later

[rustic charm]

717 kinda still gets into that basic rule, It’s a DC-9 after all, and that was only slightly later than the 727, iirc there is just a couple years difference in when they first flown

And indeed, freighters often can have longer production runs too

[reef isle]

Hah, that's actually true, never saw it from that point of view, but it's fair enough

[rustic charm]

Yeah, the 717 is basically just Boeing production of one of the MDs, and those MDs are a direct evolution of the DC-9. So basically 717 is "The Boeing which isn't"

[untold finch]

https://msfsaddons.com/2024/07/15/animated-trains-coming-soon-to-microsoft-flight-simulator/

How meta

[rustic charm]

I’m honestly not sure how useful it is

[untold finch]

Not even slightly, it's eye candy

[rustic charm]

Yeah

But if you’re flying airlines, you won’t see them 99% of the time still

[untold finch]

What, you don't take your 777 on canyon runs? 😉

[rustic charm]

For those flying VFR it’s gonna look nice though

[untold finch]

But yeah, as a regular GA flyer this looks quite good

[rustic charm]

Nah, I don’t have the 777 still. I do that in the 73 xD

[untold finch]

Hope they do the UK next, want to see Class 37s smoking up the place from 38,000 feet

[rustic charm]

Hope it expands, yeah

I know for UK there’s already something on the marketplace that adds a train onto West Highland Line

Though I gotta say, it looks quite nice. Idk, might even get it for those situations where the airport is nearby the railway

[shadow burrow]

MD we’re trying the Airbus strat for a bit where the 320/330 cockpits were similar

The 717 has essentially the same one as the MD11

6 displays, same FMS, same autopilot, same system locations

[echo gorge]

Still incredibly frustrating that wasn't in the sim by default, it's been a feature in practically every prior sim

[reef isle]

Yeah I knew that, just never made the connection between than and 717 being smaller than 727

[rustic charm]

Still in the same plane xD

[wide zenith]

Yup

its the only freighter I have apart from the 738 convert, done EGNX-EBBR-EDDP now doing EDDP-LOWW, then tomorrow if I feel it LOWW-LDZA

[rustic charm]

I have as of yet not flown freight even once

But I do fly like... 3 different planes 90% of the time. All of them are in fact 737s.

[wide zenith]

Frieghts good, lots of freedom as its more of a demand thing than strict schedules like in pax

if you only do real world flights that is

[rustic charm]

I don't fly by schedules tbf

Plus I give myself a lot of freedom too

Like, if there's a real flight I wanna do, I may well change the plane. For example Moscow - Sochi I did recently was flown by an A321 in reality. Am I gonna fly an A321? Hell nah. I just take a 738

[wide zenith]

Yeah theres a nice element of freedom, I used to be really strict on like if this flight is done in the a319, it has to be the 319

Recently though with the 777 i'll be doing flights that is scheduled as a 320

[rustic charm]

Plus sometimes I might even do flight which don't exist pretty much

Like, I did a run Juneau - Sitka - Wrangell - Ketchikan - Seattle (across many days, not in one sitting lol) which kinda resembles part of the flight 62, except that one doesn't stop at Wrangell. So like, a Sitka - Wrangell flight by Alaska does not exist. Yet, I did it

The only real way I restrict myself is simply no fictional liveries. Well, if it's completely fictional for the type. Like, in reality it is on a 737 MAX8, in the sim it's made for a 738? If I want the livery, I'll get it. Or like, in reality it was on a -400, in the sim it's on a -700? I'll just become upset we don't have a good classic, but still get it. But if it is on an A320 in reality, and someone made it for the 738? Nope, doesn't work for me.

[wide zenith]

Thats understandable, I don't think I could ever do like RYR in 320 or something. I'd maybe fly like a aircraft based loosely on orders, like a lufthsansa 77W instead of the X's they have ordered

Everyone has their own stuff they enjoy ig, what I do find cringe is people on reddit or anywhere else thinking theyre above others because they only do 'real world' flights or try to belittle someone for it

and that is a thing

[rustic charm]

I got a friend who does only do real flights. Like, exactly real flights, in real time. I do flights just when I want to how I want to basically. We still get along fine xD

[rustic charm]

Well, RYR in an A320 is quite an extreme example. I mean like, for example an airline owns both 320s and 738s, and they painted one of their 320s in a slightly different special livery. If someone makes that for a 738 in the sim, it's not gonna be something I'll fly still

[wide zenith]

FF a320 ryanair moment

[rustic charm]

Well, I prefer Ryanair in a proper Boeing xD

Though it doesn't look too out of place

Though just, why fly Ryanair in a 320? If you want to fly specifically low cost, there's plenty of other airlines which do use the 320s. EasyJet and Wizz both fly throughout Europe as well.

But my stand is, if I don't see the point of something, doesn't mean other can't. If you do want to fly Ryanair in an A320, I'm not gonna stop you. I think that's how it should be

[wide zenith]

Defo, and I mean tbh could just fly lauda in the 320 if someone wanted to do RYR flights

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile with all my talk about Alaska, I decided to do a part of one of the milk runs now. Anchorage - Juneau through Cordova and Yakutat, all but the last leg of the flight 66 (it heads straight to Seattle after Juneau, will do that at some point but not now)

The only drawback of that flight is, in fact, Anchorage. I just don't like airports that are bigger than 1 runway and 1 taxiway. You need to navigate on the ground, and not only in the air, plus it often taxes a while to taxi

(I don't like navigating on the ground, really. Even using Volanta for reference. I once got lost in Cordova. That airport has 1 runway, but kinda 2 taxiways. I got lost.)

[wide zenith]

Vienna

[wide zenith]

Not bad though about the wrangell thing earlier you mentioned cause alaska do fly there, just not that specific route

all power to people who can do fly a british airways aircraft in new zealnd or smth

[wide zenith]

Not neccesrally a bad thing, most major airports feel the same and by doing that you go to all the exotic places

[rustic charm]

They do indeed serve both Sitka and Wrangell of course, both part of the milk runs, but there are no direct flights between the 2 at all

Meanwhile right now light rain in Anchorage, just the way I like it

[wide zenith]

Neat, I wish I wasn't such a snob with only flying to freeware or payware airports cause I'd do more flights in west coast usa, china, australia ect

that was the great part of xp11, so many freeware airports

[rustic charm]

Well... I'm not flying to default right now either

I may or may not own like all of the milk run airports

[wide zenith]

this is the way

(to financial debt)

PANC is great though

[rustic charm]

They all are tbh

Northern Sky Studio did quite well

[wide zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[rustic charm]

For now the only issue I had is offset ILS at Sitka, but I am yet to confirm it because I only did 1 flight there as of now

Meanwhile I'm pushing back, spent way too much time for startup, mainly cause I was chatting

[wide zenith]

safe flights!

[rustic charm]

Yeah, thanks, hope they will be xD

[alpine coral]

👀

[rustic charm]

On my previous flight I actually had like 5 minutes from loading in to takeoff. Helps that it was at Ketchikan, didn't have to taxi much

Meanwhile here... I'm going for 25R

Guess time to act like an F1 driver (it’s prototypical cause the -700 is basically a racecar)

[rustic charm]

(I might've forgotten to set up the pressurisation...)

Turning around for Cordova

[hollow oracle]

Isn’t that just a fail safe in case the auto doesn’t work?

If it breaks, or you bump the switch, or it turns off for whatever reason, it instantly defaults back to the correct cruising altitude

[rustic charm]

With the auto, you still have to set the cruise altitude I'm pretty sure

[rustic charm]

Pushing back already

Next stop: Yakutat

[rustic charm]

Descending into Yakutat

[rustic charm]

Next stop: Juneau

And pushing back

[hollow oracle]

i finally figured out why LNAV wont arm in the 737 most of the time on the ground, if the flight plan has an immediate turn after takeoff it wont arm

[rustic charm]

I never arm autopilot on the ground tbh

[hollow oracle]

just LNAV and VNAV, not AP

its part of most checklists to arm them if available

[rustic charm]

To be fair often I fly departures by the charts and not LNAV and VNAV

So like... fly heading, use VOR, etc

[hollow oracle]

ive been getting into hand flying departures recently

admittedly not as fun in airbus

[rustic charm]

That's the end for my "shift" today

[hollow oracle]

is there an option to turn off the eye adaptation

it makes taxiing at some airports actual hell, where the concrete is bright

[rustic charm]

Could be in accessibility

[hollow oracle]

i got this mod thats supposed to be a more realistic flight model for the 738, but it just pulls extremely hard up no matter what the trim setting is

[rustic charm]

I thought the PMDG flight model was more or less fine

[hollow oracle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

wanted to give the other one a shot atleast

[echo gorge]

It's supposed to be

[rustic charm]

Well if it pulls up hard, that’s not right

There is of course supposed to be some amount of force pulling up because the engines are under the wings, but it should be easily countered with trim

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I never considered it bad tbh

[hollow oracle]

like, i had VNAV armed and flying the departure manually, so throttle and trim were being handled automatically, but i still had to really push down on the yoke to get it to stay at a 10deg angle up

[echo gorge]

Then you were massively out of trim

[hollow oracle]

i had it set for takeoff, and autopilot usually doesnt mess with trim too extreme

[echo gorge]

I assume the mod meant the takeoff trim was incorrect for whatever parameters it has

[hollow oracle]

true

its from CFD, their cockpit texture mods are okay, i guess their flight model mods are even worse

[echo gorge]

AFAIK the takeoff trim by default is more or less accurate, so I think it pretty obviously means the mod is wrong

[rustic charm]

Yeah, which trim did it give you?

[hollow oracle]

its going to be a fun landing atleast, itll probably be as bad as that A321 one i did the other day

[hollow oracle]

5.63, 19.7% CG

[rustic charm]

Well 5.63 doesn’t seem extreme

How much load did you have?

I wanna try to replicate the same in a default 738

See if it’s much different

[hollow oracle]

what units does simbrief use for block fuel in the flight plans?

[rustic charm]

By default, kilograms

You can switch it to pounds when creating/editing a flight

I learned that the hard way

[hollow oracle]

that would explain it, 7.8 on the fuel, 167pax, 4111 fwd cargo, 5134 aft cargo

[rustic charm]

7.8 that’s kilograms, right? Cause if you’re flying in a US config, that’ll automatically be pounds

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i had 7000lbs-something in either tank

[rustic charm]

So yeah, kilograms then

[hollow oracle]

im wondering if that might be related to the fenix running out of fuel from flight plans generated in simbrief

[rustic charm]

If you’ve flown it in the US, could be

[hollow oracle]

obviously a long shot, but im wondering if it might be a units conversion problem

[rustic charm]

Are you sure your plane is in kgs? Cause 4111 + 5134 cargo certainly seems bit much

[hollow oracle]

plane is in lbs

the cargo numbers are from the plane and not simbrief

[rustic charm]

Ah

[hollow oracle]

i dont think im going to try and land it with the issues, i cant imagine it ending too well

[rustic charm]

Don’t mind me while I quickly download a livery because it appears I don’t have any 738 config that would be both in lbs and economy-only

[hollow oracle]

i was flying southwest, the jviation liveries have a realistic setup by default too

[rustic charm]

And Southwest is exactly what I thought to download right away

I definitely need more liveries

Even though I literally fly 3

[rustic charm]

Welp, I just replicated all the data you said

It gives me same CG at 19.7%

But it asks me for takeoff trim of 6.13

Did you set derated thrust? And also, which flaps?

Ah, you probably used full thrust, it gives me same 5.63 trim without derated thrust

There has to be something really wrong with the flight model you installed, cause at absolutely the same weight, thrust, trim and overall with the same setup it's not like I'm struggling to keep the nose down

[hollow oracle]

flaps 5, i did a pretty standard takeoff

[rustic charm]

Yeah I figured

Well I had absolutely the same settings

And it was flying fine

[hollow oracle]

like, if i let off the yoke, it would pitch up to stall

and vnav should stop that from occuring via trim

[rustic charm]

Well after takeoff you obviously can't just release the yoke, cause not only you have trim up, but you also pitched up with the yoke to lift off. But if even the autopilot can't stop that from happening, that's bad

[hollow oracle]

yeah, but this was around 3000-4000ft and i was fighting pretty good, the plane should be a lot more stable to control around then anyways

[rustic charm]

Definitely

[hollow oracle]

The more I look at FR24, the more I realize I should probably buy those e-jets

[echo gorge]

Don't, they're really not worth it until they bring functional lnav/vnav

[hollow oracle]

Damnit

[reef isle]

Only if the AP is active AFAIK

The NG only has the Speed Trim System which changes your trim based on your speed

It doesn't do anything besides that

So you either have AP on, or you should trim yourself

But yeah, the FM mod doesn't seem that good from what you're saying, and the default FM is definitely good enough as NoOne said 😄

[hollow oracle]

Isn’t the idea with the TO trim data to keep it “level” though?

Like, not being balanced too hard up/down for takeoff

[reef isle]

I don't think so? I think that the TO trim makes sure you have a good rotation (so no tailstrike and no excessive force to rotate), but after that it's up to you

[hollow oracle]

I’ll definitely need a trim control on my controller then I guess

[reef isle]

I haven't flown the NG in MSFS that much, but from what I remember, plus my (much more recent) flying in the 727 and 737-200 on Xplane you have to down trim quite a bit while you're accelerating from rotation speed to 200/250kt

[reef isle]

Yeah, if you are flying anything that isn't an Airbus you definitely need pitch trim up and down somewhere very easy to reach

Remember that in the real cockpit they have the electric trim switches in the actual yoke because you need to use it A LOT in the 737

[hollow oracle]

Yeah, I remember that because they call them pickle switches

I really am realizing that I should have gone with the thrustmaster Boeing set rather than the airbus one

[reef isle]

I mean... I guess? I have trim on my throttle, but I guess that's not really an option with the airbus throttle 😬

[hollow oracle]

The only thing is that I feel like it would be extremely weird to fly a Boeing without any force feedback or movement

[reef isle]

I think if I were you I'd set trim on the up/down axis on the little thumb stick on top of the stick, but it would suck if you used that to look around

[hollow oracle]

I use mouse to look around for the most part

[reef isle]

Then I'd use that for trim

[hollow oracle]

I really kind of want someone to make a 3D printed part that blanks out that plate plus the button on the left though, it feels really kind of goofy with that giant hat switch in the center

I found a simulation store that sells the rubber apron for the stick, so that’s what I’m planning on getting eventually, at least to keep the dust out during storage

[reef isle]

Eh... Unfortunately flight simming has been like this since forever, it's only now that we're starting to see some viable force feedback sticks. Although I don't think you'd miss it as much in the 737 as you would in a fighter or GA plane

[rustic charm]

Eh, honestly not all that necessary

At least in the NG

[reef isle]

Fair enough

I still wouldn't fly without being able to trim at any moment while having my hands on the stick and throttle

[rustic charm]

I barely touch the trim while flying, autopilot does a good enough job. If you're unsatisfied with the way it flies though, of course just trim a bit yourself

[reef isle]

Well, AP does of course trim for you

I meant hand flying

[hollow oracle]

I haven’t decided what I want to set the trim control to yet, I could do Dpad up+down, or shoulder buttons

[rustic charm]

Ah, hand flying of course, if you want to hand fly properly and for some great distance, gotta trim

[reef isle]

Yeah, even for short distances, if I remove the AP when I capture the ILS you need a (relatively) big trim change between intercepting the ILS (which is probably going to happen at 200/180kts), extending flaps and slowing down to final approach speed

[reef isle]

Also coming back to this I think trim is useful to get some "feel" out of the aircraft, I don't like to fly with "perfect" trim (so aiming to keep the stick centered as long as possible), I like to leave a little bit of nose down trim, I feel like it gives me much better control (as the stick is going to have more resistance), and you can also tell how "heavy" the aircraft "feels" by how much you have to pull, if you always correct with trim immediately you can "mask" a potential stall until you hear the stick shaker.

Saved me countless times with planes that don't have Autothrottle 😄

[rustic charm]

Well, I just leave the AT on til the very end pretty much xD

[echo gorge]

If the stick has a nipple switch use that

They're really handy for trim

[rustic charm]

And AP, depending on the situation, until about 300-400ft. That is if the autopilot does everything correctly. But basically, at that point the plane is in full landing configuration

[reef isle]

Fair enough, I really enjoy the power/pitch balancing you have to do for a proper approach, and tbh, on some planes (like the Fenix) I find hand flying with A/T during the approach annoying, as A/T reacts in some way I don't expect or that's too drastic and makes me end up high or low on the G/S

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that’s also understandable of course

Sometimes A/T indeed can do some stuff you don’t want it doing. Plus flying without it makes it easier for your occasional flight in a Fokker, if that’s something you do xD

[reef isle]

Ahah indeed, I think I have some kind of curse with A/T in planes, the only planes I fly with A/T are:

Fenix: I find the A/T weird during approach, so I usually turn it off

Maddog: sometimes it goes into the stupid CLMP mode, so I'm starting to just kill the A/T and keep the thrust at idle myself

Beluga: A/T doesn't work at all in Xplane 11

Tu-134/154: A/T is terrible for anything but straight and level

😭

[hollow oracle]

I can not stomach flying a Boeing using an airbus stick and throttle

And you really don’t need to trim airbus planes that much anyway

[reef isle]

Airbus trims for you all the time 🙂

A320 and later at least (excluding the 220, which isn't really an Airbus)

[rustic charm]

Plus to be fair, when it comes to usage of AP, AT, and even overall flying, we all have different styles in which we do stuff. Like, if you look at any of my landing videos (which you can’t because they’re all unlisted and I don’t share links…) you’ll see I like to have the plane in full landing configuration quite early. So by the time I intercept ILS (depends on how far away the intercept point is too of course) I’m usually ready or at least half-ready, so I need to only further look through the goaround process and monitor that the plane flies the correct path

[rustic charm]

Welp, that’s quite a situation

The Tupolev situation sounds very much how I’d imagine they are in reality. “Comrade we built the most glorious plane that flies very good. It will keep speed itself, you don’t need to touch throttle! But for that you need to fly straight and level, no turn. If you want turn, do it yourself!”

[reef isle]

Hahahahahah yep

[rustic charm]

Though what’s important to take into account is those planes have at least 3-man cockpits. 134 most likely even has a 4-man cockpit, and earlier 154s too. There’s always a flight engineer onboard responsible for the throttles, so in reality pilots wouldn’t really operate them either way

[reef isle]

Yeah, on that post I was exaggerating a little bit, A/T is good enough for cruise, or if you need to be reasonably sure you'll be at roughly the right speed if you don't change altitude and you need to reduce workload a little bit, but it's not great if you want to descent, or if you want to level off 😅

Also regarding the fact that pilots don't operate them, from some videos I saw I got the impression that either:

the pilots moved them for T/O and then thrust reduction/acceleration, then the FE would manage power during the climb and cruise to make sure everything was within limits, and they'd set the thrust for cruise. Then the pilots would be back in control for descent and for approach.

Or,

The pilots would set the throttle in a place that was roughly correct and then the FE would "micro manage" the throttle to make sure they were all producing the same thrust (before FADEC you could need throttles in slightly different positions to have all the engines producing the same amount of thrust)

(although I think the original official purpose of all the first A/T system was to be used to do an ILS CAT II/III or Autoland)

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I was understating it by saying pilots wouldn’t operate throttles. Of course they would to some degree. And like, during takeoff and landing usually it’s mostly 1 person who operates the plane. Because trying to spread out the work across 3 people… it’d be like driving a car, except 2 different people have the steering wheel and the pedals

[reef isle]

Yep 😬

Have you seen that demo of the Trident Autoland?

[rustic charm]

Nope, don’t think I have

[reef isle]

https://youtu.be/flVcxfOnWi0?si=sIX_qTbcgv7rLx-I

Only the 1 and 3 engines have autothrottle ahahah

There's also a very similar video for the VC-10

(also sorry, I tend to get very rambly when we start talking about this stuff)

[rustic charm]

So like…. Not all of them? xD

[reef isle]

Yep ahah

[rustic charm]

Yeah don’t worry

[reef isle]

I think they left the N2 throttle somewhere that gave enough thrust but also allowed the A/T to control the speed well enough by adjusting the 2 outboard engines

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that would be the sensible way

To be honest I haven’t yet tried to do an autoland at all. And MSFS doesn’t really require me to do so for now, live weather usually isn’t foggy

[reef isle]

Fair enough, I think I only did it once or twice as well

[rustic charm]

I’d expect conditions where you genuinely have to do an autoland aren’t all that common in reality either, unless it’s some specific place where the weather is always awful xD

[reef isle]

like the UK 😛

[rustic charm]

[reef isle]

But yeah, I think real pilots need to do autolands every X amount of hours to keep current

even if the weather if perfect

but apart from that I guess I agree, it's not that common

[rustic charm]

Yeah, there’s probably some requirement like that, just to make sure they do remember how to do it in case they need to xD

[reef isle]

yep ahahah

[echo gorge]

In places with significant ground level fog they're not particularly uncommon

[hollow oracle]

giving this flight another try, with the original flight model again

with trim control this time too

[hollow oracle]

this is another stupid question that i somehow havent asked up until this point, what do ATCs mean when they say "visual approach"

is that manually landing the aircraft all the way down? does that entail using ILS or even just localizer?

[hollow oracle]

oh yeah, wow, its like flying an entirely different plane

the only issue is that im kind of tired and burnt out, and im also trying to fly with beyondATC yelling at me to switch frequencies, which led me to get off sequence with checklists in my head

thank god its just a sim because i wont be fired for leaving out my landing gear like 5 minutes after takeoff

[hollow oracle]

i need to listen to the teachings of ken dravis some more

i managed to slow down enough to taxi with probably 100-150yds to spare before the end of the runway

music intentional, thats the only thing that should be playing quite frankly

this clip might be more fitting for the music actually

[hollow oracle]

to be fair, i only have 5 flight hours in boeing aircraft total (10 if you count the non-sped up 5.5 hours of the LAX-HNL flight i did in the 777), compared to 15 in A320 family aircraft

[lethal jasper]

Reduces workload on the Controller, you as the pilot are in charge for getting safely to the runway. There is more but its a interesting topic to review for more info.

[tired pond]

If you could have a study level anything aircraft wise for MSFS what would you want?

I myself would want a 737 classic fleet (300,400 and 500) to the same standard as the IXEG was in XP

[hollow oracle]

A320ceo that wasn’t laggy

The closest we have is the latinvfr/headwind mod, which truthfully sucks, it’s the FBW A32NX internals with the latinvfr ceo externals

Far from the worst out there (especially the default latinvfr garbage), but far from the best too

I can fly it with the same performance as the PMDG planes though, which id call the gold standard when it comes to performance

[hollow oracle]

Honestly, I wish someone could just go through and replace the wingtips and engines on the FBW A32NX to create a ceo

[tired pond]

The Fenix really isn't that bad, nothing like inibuilds stuff

[lethal jasper]

Combi included? Then I'd say take my money and let me have EA lol 😂

[reef isle]

L-1011

[untold finch]

Hawker Siddeley Trident

[echo gorge]

722 or DC8

[echo gorge]

Frequently yes, there are some published visual procedures as well such as the river and mount vernon visuals at national and the harbor visual at pwm

The atc will specify a procedure by name if it has one though

[rustic charm]

Several choices here on my end, just cause I don't know which one I want more.

• 73 Classic (including the Combi. I mean, I fly Alaska the most, how could I not want the Combi?)
• Full lineup of the 707 (need I say more?)
• Full lineup of the 727 (same, need I say more?)

[rustic charm]

Basically the ATC is saying "You are responsible for your own navigation"

For those best to really do it by charts

[reef isle]

Just a word of caution, regarding visual approaches, thanks to a friend of mine I've learnt that ATC can give you a direct to a fix that's part of the ILS (or some other procedure) on the assumption that you have that loaded in the FMS, because pretty much every carrier has loading the ILS to back up the visual as part of their SOPs. So keep that in mind, of course there is nothing wrong in just typing the fix (without the whole procedure loaded, or saying unable and requesting for a vector).

But yeah @hollow oracle, when cleared for a visual approach you're free to navigate your aircraft however you like to best position yourself for a stable final approach and landing, that includes loading an ILS and following it and doing an autoland

[wide zenith]

757 and 767, including the various retrofits

basically just the ff series in msfs

[rustic charm]

Those are awesome too

Tbh there's just so many planes I'd love to see in the sim in high quality

Can I just throw IL-86/96, Tu-154 and Yak-40 into the discussion?

[shadow burrow]

GET XP

all of these are in XP and study level

well

no 86

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I know they're in XP, I just doubt I have the money for RW, TSW, MSFS and XP lol

[shadow burrow]

all free 👀

[rustic charm]

Hmm, true though, there's a fair bit of freeware

[shadow burrow]

https://en.x-flight.su

this website is a godsend for Russian airports

all really well done and free

means you dont have to use the shitty drizweki design moscow stuff

[rustic charm]

Those do look good

[shadow burrow]

they have a good Hahn as well

[trim harbor]

if only il62 :((((((

[shadow burrow]

this is something I'm waiting for

[trim harbor]

i think fsx had a bunchj of good russian aircraft

[shadow burrow]

Felis put the hint out that when he's done with the 742 freighter he may return to russian aircraft

[trim harbor]

pLEASE IL62

🙏

[shadow burrow]

yeah but post XP10 they all switched

[trim harbor]

i havent flown the TU154 since xp11

i might give it another shot

[shadow burrow]

XP is easier to build stuff for and it already has a huge freeware community to help out

[trim harbor]

there was a mod u need for it though

i frogot what it was

[shadow burrow]

uhhhhh

it had the B2

[trim harbor]

i think thats what i meant

yea

[rustic charm]

FSX seems to have, but it seems MSFS basically is now just the FSX ports

[shadow burrow]

was on a russian website and very little details on how to get it working properly in english

[trim harbor]

goddamnit

[shadow burrow]

ask @reef isle I think he knows how to do it

[rustic charm]

If you want, I can translate, probably better than Google xD

[trim harbor]

i should also fly the 742 again

flyjsim please hurry with ur 732 and 727

[shadow burrow]

Russian payware in both communities has had a history of being shit, so you had all these small developers working out of there mothers basements in russia making shit that was better than the payware for free

they moved to a cheap sim and made stuff

[rustic charm]

True

[shadow burrow]

hence why XP and FSX both had large communities whereas MSFS doesn't

1080ti works well in XP12 still

idk about MSFS

[trim harbor]

bruh i need to know why

xplane 12 runs so damn bad

[reef isle]

I have Xplane11 if that's what you're asking, I have no idea how to make things work on 12

[rustic charm]

Folks just moved to XP, and tbh it seems like for MSFS there's pretty much no freeware aircraft scene whatsoever

[shadow burrow]

have you tried 12.1?

[trim harbor]

ye

[shadow burrow]

nah Felis Tu154-b2

[trim harbor]

atleast the ejets run so goddamn bad for me

WITH autoortho and simheaven

[shadow burrow]

can't remember how to install

[shadow burrow]

autoortho runs like shit

[trim harbor]

it does but it's needed

idk anything that enhances autogen or ground textures

[shadow burrow]

just get a mesh and ortho4xp

I fly with that

ZL12 ground textures outside of airport zones aren't bad

[reef isle]

I think it just counts as another plane? I've installed that a long time ago.

I can send you that if you want

[shadow burrow]

not for me

lewd wants it

[trim harbor]

ill take it please

[trim harbor]

do u just do the entire of EU for example or nah

[shadow burrow]

its the entire world

240ish gb

[trim harbor]

oh that's not too bad

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/48974-global-photoscenery-ifr-only/

I use this

[trim harbor]

wait are both 240gb

or only 1 part

[shadow burrow]

both together

[rustic charm]

The antarctic got left out

[trim harbor]

that isnt even a thing on xplane

as i have learned recently

[shadow burrow]

https://maps2xplane.com/antarctic-sceneries/

[trim harbor]

ye that

[shadow burrow]

cough cough

[trim harbor]

p good scenery thoughg

[shadow burrow]

its really really nice haha

[rustic charm]

To be honest idk if it exists in MSFS either. Probably, it exists on google maps after all

[shadow burrow]

all this is free as well

as per for XP

[reef isle]

Sorry, I've ran out of space in everything I could use to share it 😭

I'm trying to delete stuff

because apparently the fact I PAY DISCORD FOR NITRO isn't good enough to share it directly

[rustic charm]

With nitro it's what, 100mb limit I think?

[reef isle]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dkc-fAwwaJWaFSgSc4Ee_XIUcJdO-zIK/view?usp=sharing

@trim harbor

[reef isle]

500MB

[rustic charm]

Oh wow

More than I expected

[reef isle]

yeah, I often share videos and small-ish files via discord so it's very useful to me, but I wish I could do more, it's not cheap

[trim harbor]

thank u sm ❤️

u only used it on xp11 right

[reef isle]

yep

[dusky leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7unFn-AY0xA

[rustic charm]

Welp folks

Guess who's finally getting the 77W

...that is if the payment goes through, which it doesn't wanna for now

Guess I spoke too soon xD

[hollow oracle]

its absolutely worth it

even if yor not a fan of long haul flights, they fly 777s everywhere

[rustic charm]

The purchase doesn't go through... such a headache. Will try again later I guess

To be honest might as well wait until they get it onto the marketplace. Steam always works at least.

[mild zenith]

casual austin W

[hollow oracle]

the support in the FBW server is horrible lmao

its 99% commands that have nothing to really do with the problem

all the people helping you do is just do commands that spawn this giant block of text that doesnt really help

YES!!! FINALLY!!!!! an actual built-in takeoff calculator

[wide zenith]

Oh is that out already?

[hollow oracle]

yes, in the latest testing/dev version

[wide zenith]

neat

no more using a github page

[hollow oracle]

and i think we finally get programmed go-around procedures too????

i dont think it had that before, it just ended at the end of the flight plan

[wide zenith]

fbw cooking for that 380 release

[hollow oracle]

nevermind, the calculator is worse than the github one

data entry is completely manual, theres an option to "fill data from OFP" but it does nothing

and it doesnt give you trim setting, just flaps and speeds (which were also all incorrect

vs this data i got from this performance takeoff calculator app

wtf, its telling me those TO speeds are too low

the braking and tiller feel extremely off too, extremely sluggish to apply and release

is there any way to turn off these roof lights or are they just stuck on?

[hollow oracle]

apparently this is correct?

it doesnt give you trim because they want you to calculate it yourself, for whateve reason, its at the bottom of the checklist

[wide zenith]

Interesting choice considering most aircraft will give you the trim setting

also world update 17 got announced today, england and northern island

Gaya simulations EGSS, EGLF, EGFF and EICK

as well as a LXGB

huge

[hollow oracle]

i mean, it is kind of fun to do the calculation yourself, but i know for a fact that if the sim can do it, so can a tool pilots use irl

[wide zenith]

wonder if gaya EGSS will be better than inis

[hollow oracle]

god bless crosswind takeoffs

i also love OBS

its my favorite computer software

why is it so hard to have an A320 in a flight sim

it just refuses to exist

[rustic charm]

Scotland wen

[wide zenith]

nvm UNITED KINGDOM and NI

Whole new edinburgh which is like perfect considering EGPH v2 is out on friday

and glasgow

[rustic charm]

Noice

[wide zenith]

free EGPB too

so 6 free airports in one world update

[rustic charm]

Maybe I will fly Britain more finally

You know what would be just fire though?

If we got planes for BOAC

The best British airline.

[hollow oracle]

just a casual -4293fpm landing

i dont know why OBS will record fine at 30FPS in the pmdg 737s, but struggle to reach 15 in literally any A320 in the sim

i forgot that updating the A32NX means that you have to fix the ftsim soundpack, i had no external engine sounds

[hollow oracle]

huh, updates for the PMDG 737s

[hollow oracle]

i dont think i should have taken off in the middle of a thunderstorm

it was literally pitch black until about FL200

though i have turbulence on "realistic" (which ive been told is actually really extreme compared to irl), and i had no issues

actually i had a better departure than i did heading out of dublin on a clear morning

something about gigantic spaces like this give me massive anxiety

i cheated and turned live weather back on, because i was tired of flying through biblical thunderstorms

[dusky leaf]

Holy 💩 Laminar dafuq did yo do with the clouds 🤦‍♂️

[hollow oracle]

i finally realized the power of focus

i had an exceptional landing though, no go around needed

could be smoother, but beats running off of the end of the runway

that was in a big ass boy too, the 900ER rather than the 800 i usually fly

that was my first midwest flight too, finally, the middle of the US was looking really bare with no flights

[tardy hedge]

WAIT WHAT

a32nx update??

how do i get this

[hollow oracle]

latest development version, 45f295e

https://x.com/FlyByWireSim/status/1806296426424553887
https://x.com/FlyByWireSim/status/1807459082023940151

FlyByWire Simulations (@FlyByWireSim) on X

FlyByWire A32NX custom FMSv2 is now in the Development Version! Introducing missed approach & alternate flight plan capabilities, improved routing, better constraint handling, and accurate STARs.

RNP/RNAV vertical aspect is not yet available. Update now!
https://t.co/CXJdksymaV

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 12:00 PM

FlyByWire Simulations (@FlyByWireSim) on X

Our A32NX now has a custom-built performance calculator tailored specifically to the A320neo. Available now on the Dev version!

VSpeeds auto input LSK on the MCDU will be disabled shortly on the Dev version.

See our documentation: https://t.co/C4DXzug71U

Twitter · Jun 30, 2024, 5:00 PM

[crisp adder]

First full flight with the tubby little 737 went super smooth. Stuttgart - Rotterdam, went by like a breeze.

So next question, is the 777 worth it and different enough from the 737, the A320 and other airliners to justify a purchase?

[tardy hedge]

wtf help??

oh wtf

LTFM doesnt exist in MSFS

[reef isle]

@untold finch @echo gorge https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1084758804803092481/1263201340444774512/image.png?ex=669a082c&is=6698b6ac&hm=4142904953042807b13fff560449561d74756fccc58c9aba043e5f78e945e296&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[untold finch]

Aeroplane Heaven though 😞

[reef isle]

Caravelle as well?

[untold finch]

Sadly so

[reef isle]

Oh well, I maintain the same opinion as the 707, as long as:

It's flyable, and most systems work reasonably well, and it flies decently and, you can have original non retrofit variants

I'd be happy enough

[untold finch]

Yeah, and the modding community often rescues stuff like this

[reef isle]

yep 🙂

[mild zenith]

I mean in terms of size and handling, it definitely behaves differently than a 737 or an A320. There are a few differences between the 777 and the 737 but there are also similarities between the two. Whether the price is really justified, I can't say - opinions are divided (for example the sounds could be better...)

[crisp adder]

Fair enough. How´s the performance? I read about some people experiencing crashes and other bugs, but PMDG already seemed to ahve fixed quite a few issues with their last patches.

[mild zenith]

After the smaller updates that came out, I personally haven't noticed anything that restricts the gameplay experience in any way. I was able to complete all my flights without any issues so far. As for performance I prefer not to comment since I don't have a PC that can provide a general assessment (I didn't have a single crash though)

[rustic charm]

Meanwhile how my Volanta looks

[reef isle]

I've sent you a friend request btw 🙂

[rustic charm]

A bit in Russia/out of Russia, 1 flight in the UK, some bits in US and all of the milk run airports

[rustic charm]

Yup, I see

[reef isle]

Cool 😄

[rustic charm]

I also have some weird unfinished flights as well...

[crisp adder]

Alright, thanks!

[rustic charm]

Did it release yet?

[mild zenith]

I've added you if you don't mind

[reef isle]

cool, added 😄

[reef isle]

No, neither the 707 or the Caravelle

[rustic charm]

Welp, a shame

I just want a 707

[reef isle]

I don't think it's too far away

[rustic charm]

Though tbf there was another one said to be in dev iirc too