Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[mild zenith]

Which joysticks do you use

[echo gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nHCKO9Hb-M

[rustic cedar]

😭

the components system is actually insane like tf

[untold finch]

Virpil MongoosT-50 CM3 base with 20cm extension and a Thrustmaster Warthog grip.

[untold finch]

EIDW -> EGLL

(nice)

[shadow burrow]

https://www.thresholdx.net/news/jfltor

oh hello

[reef isle]

Why don't they just release the UNS-1?

[mild zenith]

Thanks

[shadow burrow]

Fuck knows

I just like tornados

[rustic charm]

Welp, I bought the MSFS premium deluxe...

No idea what to expect, but now I have a Dreamliner

[untold finch]

Maddog just got another small update, always good to see:

FIXED
- fixed issue that could cause T/O trim setting not to work on second flight leg
- fixed issue that could cause aircraft not to be loaded on second flight leg
- fixed issue with trim sometimes not saved in turnaround mode
- fixed issue with ADF/NAV ident volume set
- fixed issue when pressing TO/GA that caused FMS to sequence route to MISAP when not on approach mode
- fixed issue of aircraft loosing too much altitude when initiating an AUT G/A
- fixed issue when loading a saved flight
OTHER
- added working briefcase and map lights for both CM1/2 sides
- added working overhead speaker volume knob
- added WindowShades variable to maddogx.ini (0=auto, 1=always open)

[crisp adder]

Short flight from EDFM to EDDR with the DA-42. Weather was meh, especially because of quite strong winds. Fortunately no icing.

[dusky leaf]

https://www.x-plane.com/2024/02/whats-new-in-x-plane-12-1-0-oh-boy/ 😋

[trim harbor]

gd bless

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ndze3imJE

yippe

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/ifly-shows-off-new-737max-previews-in-msfs/

wwwwww

[untold finch]

I hear they have good history with P3D? Hopefully they can challenge PMDG

[shadow burrow]

Man

I ain’t seen iFly since the 744

I thought they were dead

[full plank]

only issue I have is the external load manager, but otherwise the MAX is pretty solid

[trim harbor]

it's a very good product

and certainly a pmdg competition

[full plank]

one of those flights again

[untold finch]

This the FSLabs one?

[full plank]

affirm

[untold finch]

If they hadn't pulled that malware stunt I'd be so excited for their upcoming MSFS one

[full plank]

yea quite shit for them to pull it & then sweep it under the rug essentially

still some decent product offerings, probably will be flying the Concorde once it releases for MSFS (provided I can run it), though no big fuss

[crisp adder]

https://fselite.net/content/fenix-simulations-confirm-block-2-update-will-release-tomorrow/

I might actually cave in and finally buy the Fenix. So far I'm really happy with the FBW A320 but with Block 2 this might change.

[untold finch]

Even Block 1 was really good. Got some features I've never seen before in flight sim, like your company asking you why you were late leaving the gate 😄

[tired pond]

If you like airbuses I would really recommend

[reef isle]

Fenix Is by far, without a shadow of a doubt the best MSFS aircraft, can't believe it's getting even better 😄

[untold finch]

Block 2 is out!

1.5GB download, ooft

[wide zenith]

smart financial decisions occurred today

[echo gorge]

enjoy the download

[wide zenith]

taken all afternoon

[rustic charm]

This was close to not landing

Was too lazy to set up IFR (and I don't really understand the autopilot anyway) so a manual VFR flight between KLAX and KSAN. The weather was definitely not ideal for that. Cause of the clouds I was close to being too far off the runway

And yeah not to mention that I forgot to disable autothrottle until at like 500ft so landed at basically 200kts, and yeah I don't wanna say it but I nearly forgot about the landing gear

[echo gorge]

do IFR /W between LAX and SAN, I dare you

[rustic charm]

/W?

Also fun thing, I actually wanted to see which data SimBrief will give me, so I just loaded it, told it 'KLAX to KSAN in a 737-800'...

...so SimBrief as any normal thing said I have 186 passengers on this flight

30 gonna stand or something?

[rustic charm]

Also genuinely I would if I could figure out the fucking buttons

[echo gorge]

radio navigation only

[rustic charm]

The only thing I manage to get working is the autothrottle, speed is fine. But I couldn't even get altitude hold to work

[rustic charm]

So like, visibility 0?

I don't know IFR but I sure as hell can try VFR in 0 visibility*

* - success of the flight is not guaranteed

[untold finch]

the first flight always is 😄

Just wait until you're landing a 747 into heavy fog with almost zero visibility, that's when it gets really good 😄

[wide zenith]

seeing the area I grew up so well recreated was weird, huge change from xp11's default scenery when I played it :o

[wide zenith]

looks so good, am very excited

[untold finch]

Yeah, MSFS is just incredibly good looking. Getting to see your own house from above is an experience

[wide zenith]

4-5 years ago I'd have to have terabytes of ortho to get close to that 😅

[untold finch]

just leaves space for terabytes of custom airports and liveries now

[wide zenith]

[trim harbor]

https://fxtwitter.com/XPlaneOfficial/status/1762934016074821755/photo/3

@echo gorge @reef isle

[echo gorge]

Oh nice

Shame it's for xp12 only

[reef isle]

If I bought the "732 Twinjet V3 pro" would I need to purchase it again for Xplane 12?

at least I know that whenever I decide to upgrade to Xplane 12 I wouldn't need to buy things again 😅

[trim harbor]

pobably

i think toliss required an xp12 upgrade, same with FF

[dusky leaf]

Why would they make it for an old dead version?

[echo gorge]

Fair, but I don't really see myself getting xp12, if I get back into the sim I'll stick with 11

[reef isle]

Same, I think the only thing that would change that for me is either a good L-1011 or the Hotstart A220

[shadow burrow]

11 isn't dead

people still play it as there main sim

pretty much all in development addons will support both 11 and 12

the only one that isn't is seemingly the Aerobask Falcon

FF787, FF777, Toliss shit, the Hotstart 220

all support both

the same thing happened with XP10

[untold finch]

And back again...

[untold finch]

yeah, until 12 gets the performance fixed, i can't see people fully migrating

[trim harbor]

textures streaming

game runs at 60 fps and blurry textures all over

[shadow burrow]

looks good

looks very good

[wide zenith]

doing some shared flight

[trim harbor]

about time

[untold finch]

nice... XP12?

[shadow burrow]

11 and 12

these look like 12 tho

[untold finch]

the hum is so good

love these new IAE engines

[dusky leaf]

The guts of my Virpil stick. Quality engineering

Going to try springless

Feels nice

[untold finch]

CM3? I've been super happy with mine

[dusky leaf]

The very basic one WarBRD-D feels lovely with no springs

[wide zenith]

returning to gatwick from faro

[untold finch]

FBW A20N?

[wide zenith]

si!

I also got the fenix last night so thats fun

FSDT also has a sale which made GSX a lot cheaper too 😅

it was almost as if they knew I was gonna buy it soon :o

[untold finch]

Thanks for letting me know, I've been after it for a while!

[tired pond]

Enjoying?

[wide zenith]

back to LFSB

[wide zenith]

a really nice bit of kit, thoroughly enjoying it

thats it tbh, everything about is it just nice. to the way it flies to the efb to even the flightdeck button animations

for 50 pound, with all the functionaliy, engine types and incoming sharklets too, i'm very happy with my purchase

[untold finch]

yeah, it's insanely good value for money, especially compared to the PMDG Boeings

[wide zenith]

yeah, I am interested in getting their 800 at some point.. but for every variant... thats gonnaa be expensive

LFSB-EGKK-LFSB rotation done

[crisp adder]

Hullo, fellow easyJet wageslave pilot!
Flying the party bomber from EGKK to LEIB (Ibiza).

[dusky leaf]

Freeware Yak 18, going to take her round the pattern for a looksee

[untold finch]

The flight sim community as a whole needs more Soviet stuff

[trim harbor]

russian pls

any kind of soviet/russian stuff would be appreciated

[echo gorge]

That's the x-plane one right? iirc it's quite decent

[rustic charm]

KBOS - KJFK

Flying actually in the noon, but decided to take screenshots at sunrise

[dusky leaf]

Its lovely

Do you know why its called a whisky compass?

Because you need to be on the whisky to navigate by it

[untold finch]

"Quick" hop from KSDF -> PANC, will follow it up with PANC -> VHHH soon

[rustic charm]

First full successful IFR flight

[untold finch]

always a good feeling

[tired pond]

gg

[rustic charm]

I gotta get the A320 at some point too

Looks very nice, and even though I’m not much of a fan, it’s something great for variety

I guess the FBW one is enough for me for now, since I can’t get Fenix

[dusky leaf]

The not crap crapenado 210

Not crap cause crapenado didnt make it 😆

This is an XP11 aircraft resurrected from the dead and running in 12 thanks to REP

[wide zenith]

little uk vfr tour I wanna do is all routed, now need to decide what I wanna do it in 😅

[untold finch]

A2A Commanche is the way to go imo

I am planning on doing the entire world in it, not looking forward to the Bering Strait

[rustic charm]

God these views are gorgeous

Doing KSFO - KLAX

[untold finch]

Nice, great route for PSA Maddogs

[rustic charm]

Welp all I have is a 737, so that's enough for me. Plus, I really really like the Astrojet livery

[untold finch]

Yeah, it looks very retro

[rustic charm]

Yeah it does

I mean, it is very retro

That's why I love it, stands out a lot in the modern world

[wide zenith]

went basic with a 172 😅

[untold finch]

finally getting around to installing GSX Pro

not looking forward to having to exclude all my payware airports and hunt down profiles

oh it has an automagic button to do it? awesome

[untold finch]

okay this is cool

[rustic charm]

Looks nice

[untold finch]

i didn't realise just how long this would take, looks like 1 truck load won't be enough

no idea where my cargo things went either

[tired pond]

Is it your first IFR aircraft?

[rustic charm]

The 737 is the first one I tried IFR on, yeah

Pretty much the only plane I fly ever since I bought it

[tired pond]

Yeah that's fair, I learnt with the airbus

About 8 years ago with the aerosoft airbus for FSX

It's addictive though, I go through phases of flying myself

I'm in one of them atm since block 2 of the Fenix came out

[trim harbor]

Baseddddddddd

Aerosoft airbus

My man

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWc1a0tn_dg

Free upgrades are never a bad thing

[rustic charm]

Oh I gotta get the 146, it looks so nice

Also, how to get the cabin view? I still haven’t found lol

[untold finch]

arrow keys are the way i do it

you can use quick views if the aircraft has them

i tend to just move around with the arrow keys until i get to a spot i like, then save that as a snap view

[rustic charm]

Ah

Thanks!

[merry mason]

Kodiak 100

[untold finch]

Just some Fenix screen detail appreciation

[wide zenith]

so good, the display reflections 💜

[shadow burrow]

Shared cockpit in LOWI

[untold finch]

How is Shared Cockpit these days?

[rustic charm]

Beautiful

[wide zenith]

me and my friend did a gatwick faro rotation and it worked perfectly majority of the time with the FBW neo

[echo gorge]

https://www.flightbeam.net/post/fresh-previews-of-ksfo-captain-s-edition?postId=6d5f0c5a-c6c4-4293-a13a-cfea86148878&utm_campaign=55d8eb5a-7b17-4bfc-bccf-624c899286d7&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=77dfb4a3-10a4-43ef-9de2-11aac61efcdb&cid=41524dac-b9d5-4216-b065-8e6b041fafa7

[shadow burrow]

pretty good, sharedflight still has bugs but it works pretty seemlessly

just a plugin

example

if you type something accidentally on the MCDU then it will sometimes not sync if you delete it quickly. This means when your putting in data for the other person it will go "entry not avail" and desync

you just need to redo the steps on the other client and it will sync again

[crisp adder]

BIKF to EDDF.

[crisp adder]

Approaching Frankfurt/Main.

[trim harbor]

tfw still no proper frankfurt or msfs

i still find that somewhat funny

it's like lhr

[untold finch]

I just want Flightbeam KSFO already

It surely can't be that far off by now

Need a decent KPHX and KDFW as well

The fact that Asobo left their KDFW to rot is kinda sad

[tired pond]

BMSim's KPHX I actually really like

Same with their KOAK

[untold finch]

Huh, I heard very mixed things

Might take a look again

[wide zenith]

late evening arrival into gatwick soon

[untold finch]

you using the fantastic freeware gatwick?

[ocean trellis]

abit of su action

[untold finch]

the FC3 revamp is really nice, the cockpits feel so much more "deep" now

[tired pond]

https://tenor.com/view/cristiano-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-siuuu-ronaldo-the-goat-sewy-gif-17616218981871012597

[untold finch]

ZGGG -> ZGDY

[untold finch]

FlySimWare are getting on my nerves

They release updates almost daily, always a smaller number of things fixed than is really necessary. It's a coin-flip as to whether the installer will trigger windows defender. The installer does literally nothing that the old drag/drop folder didn't.

Their website is clunky AF and it takes half a dozen clicks just to get to the update

It's like being on the FBW dev branch but without the added convenience of the updater software

the guy just tells people to turn off antivirus during installation... that's really not ok

For anyone on the fence about the learjet... it's a good product but, until the dev sorts out their release management, i can't recommend it

[reef isle]

I like the idea of an analogic bizjet but the Lear 35 does nothing to me, if that makes sense, I don't really care about that plane ahahah... I'd much rather have an older Hawker jet.

Also the way the responded to me when I asked if they could do a /A version without GPS or if they considered the KLN90B really left a bad taste in my mouth

[echo gorge]

I'd snap it up in a heartbeat if the did /W version, until then

[reef isle]

I have read on their discord that they're still using the A/P logic embedded in the GPS units... that's not good 😬

and I guess that's why they can't do a /A or /W

[echo gorge]

Yep, makes me question the fidelity of the rest of the plane

[reef isle]

yeah...

some of my recent MSFS flights 😄

[untold finch]

Miltech's Chinook is out for MSFS, will give it a try later

[untold finch]

Flybe 😢

[wide zenith]

😔

[reef isle]

survived my first pilotedge flight

[echo gorge]

how'd you like pilotedge?

also horizon my beloved

[reef isle]

It was really cool, but scary, I think the controller had like 2 or 3 traffics so he wasn't busy and everything went fine, they seem to be a lot more familiar with /A compared to VATSIM, I got given a re route and heading to join a V airway, I don't think they would have ever given that to me on VATSIM

this particular controller was also quite nice to me, he gave me the clearance fairly slowly, I think he understood I was terrified ahahah 😅 but unlike VATSIM they are demanding and they point out mistakes (for example while switching from twr to app on departure I forgot to tell them my cleared altitude and he pointed that out to me)

[echo gorge]

that pointing out mistakes honestly sounds nice, with vatsim 90% of the time you never realize you made them

[trim harbor]

pilotedge is still only california, right?

[reef isle]

No

[trim harbor]

or west coast i meant

and it paid innit

[reef isle]

I have the Western Expansion (which is the yellow part)

[reef isle]

Yes 😦

It's quite expensive, I mostly wanted to try it, still unsure whether or not I'll keep it, maybe I'll do it every other month

[trim harbor]

wait

so it's like a dlc?

[reef isle]

No, you can get it as a standalone

[trim harbor]

ah

[reef isle]

You can either get only LA (green bit), only western Expansion (yellow bit), or both, but that's really expensive

[trim harbor]

im pretty sure that PE controllers r actually paid for their atc services

[reef isle]

Yes they are

[trim harbor]

i would like to try pe but beyondatc is hopefully gonna release soon

and vatsim is just

such a shitfest

especially in europe

[reef isle]

I think it's been worse since the Fenix update released

[trim harbor]

i feel bad for controllers

i couldnt deal with everyone who doesnt know

[reef isle]

I'd just avoid the UK, Germany, Austra and the Netherlands are usually fine

[trim harbor]

why is the uk so bad actually lol

i never understood why its a magnet

germany is usually super fun to fly through

the upper radar positions r a massive

w

[reef isle]

No idea but it's definitely one of the worst places in terms of pilots

[trim harbor]

without a question

i remember my 10 min overflight on a transatlantic

poor london center

most hectic 10 min radio communications i've ever heard lol

[reef isle]

Yeah

[trim harbor]

maybe i should boot up g'ole flight sim and do a little widebody flight on vatsim

still no 777 tho

[reef isle]

When the A380 is going to be released VATSIM will be borderline unplayable for at least a few weeks I reckon ahahahahahah

[trim harbor]

oh man i will love and hate the release

cant wait for EGLL-EDDF a380 flights

oh man dUBAI

the traffic pattern for dubai is horrendous during busy times

[reef isle]

EGLL-EHAM will become the n.1 A380 route

[trim harbor]

pft lmfao

that's gonna be hilarious to watch on vatspy

[reef isle]

Yep, the controllers will have fun with the huge separation requirments and pilot skill 🤪

[trim harbor]

'pilot skill'

aw mane

it's too bad that pilot skill has dropped so much honestly

vatsim imo should've done some training program stuff

not saying im perfect but

i know how to fly my planes and communicate

[reef isle]

Yeah, and the thing is that it's the most basic things, it's not like everyone should be a pretend real life pilot, but perhaps if you don't know what a SID/STAR is, and how to actually put that in the FMC then maybe fly a bit more offline...

[trim harbor]

dont know how to fly a hold is the biggest problem too lol

[reef isle]

Yeah, nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes but at the same time I've seen people that lacked the most basic knowledge

[rustic charm]

Quick question (I don't remember if I asked it before) is there a quick key to hide the hud in MSFS

[trim harbor]

you're not the only one

unicom might be the second biggest problem

i hate text pilots with a burning passion

[reef isle]

Not sure, there is a thing in the settings

[trim harbor]

the amount of times they started to cut infront of me on approach and didnt say they were landing

i will never forget you easyjet pilot who cut infront of me at berlin and made me go around after my little 9 hour flight

[reef isle]

Oof

[mossy plaza]

Tbh I rather have that over a idiot nearly causing the tenerife disaster for the second time because he didn't listen to my communication

that bloody turkish airlines A330 at Copenhagen, won't forget you

[trim harbor]

ikik but im just saying unicom in general

is just bad

and so r text pilots

[mossy plaza]

text pilots are fine on unicom, but when it comes to having atc. I would understand it's a pain

[mossy plaza]

And yes

[trim harbor]

i meant when atc

[mossy plaza]

and I think it won't help when vatsim does that CTAF test in USA now

[trim harbor]

ngl i never look at vpilot

[mossy plaza]

ah

[trim harbor]

so i never see their messages either

[mossy plaza]

in xpilot we get a text box that shows the text up in the sim

[trim harbor]

whatever happend to poscon

oh really

[mossy plaza]

ye

[trim harbor]

i never sawe their messages either in xpilot

[mossy plaza]

weird

I get them all the time

[trim harbor]

tbf i dont pay attention either

wonder if the 777 is gonna release b4 summer tho

[rustic charm]

Cozy

[rustic charm]

Approaching JFK

The first approach wasn't necessarily great, doing a goaround

[shadow burrow]

Lots of really good scenery, quite a few short hops to good airports (Amsterdam, Crackfurt, Zurich, Dublin, Paris) plus a rather large domestic network. Everyone knows heathrow, not many people can name the full title of München airport.

you also have a feedback loop, More pilots = More controllers = More ATC online = More Pilots ect ect

Early days of vatsim there was JFK, SOCAL and London

I have seen some very idiotic things recently on VATSIM

way more than there used to be

Not to be rude or seem insular but MSFS has done some quite hefty damage on the Flight sim Community

[untold finch]

It's also breathed new life into it, tbh

I don't think younger generations are going to be willing to try out FSX or P3D at this point, X-Plane maybe. MSFS has helped convert so many people who may not have given flightsims a look beforehand

[wide zenith]

Hiroshima time

flew right back over Haneda, what an awesome departure 😅

[rustic cedar]

jem out here cruuuuuisin

[wide zenith]

we doooooo

I am a fish and simulators are the hook

but also

[crisp adder]

The Japanese flight sim community has created so many high quality free airports, it's a real joy to fly over there. Only downside is the time difference when using live weather. In winter it's usually dark when I get to fly. 😅

[dusky leaf]

What model is that?

[untold finch]

The new Miltech Simulations CH-47D, came out yesterday

[trim harbor]

very very much so

thats an undeniable fact

as rude as it may sound

[trim harbor]

that's also true

i just think it's too easy to get into vatsim

the quality has dropped so much

[rustic cedar]

christ

[shadow burrow]

On this, have training servers for first wings events

You fly in them then you get in

All they need to do

[trim harbor]

lovely c2 recovery

[trim harbor]

i agree

[full plank]

setting up for a saturday slog crossing the pond

nap required on this one

[shadow burrow]

fucking vatsim pings

scared the shit outa me

[trim harbor]

lmao

r u flyin in europe

[shadow burrow]

yes

OYPWO

EKCH LEPA

[shadow burrow]

yes

[trim harbor]

what is a e55p

[shadow burrow]

Phenom 300

[trim harbor]

ohhhh

[full plank]

sheesh OY 🥶

[reef isle]

debating wether or not to buy the ini A300 Beluga for Xplane, it's on a 25% discount, currently at €47 (more or less, depending on the GPB/EUR exchange rate), I was hoping I could grab it for something more like €35/40, but if it's on sale now I'm not sure if they'll discount it during easter.

I know it's a good plane, just not sure that I'll end up using it that often, any suggestions? I know from time to time ini does crazy sales, should I wait for those or is €50 a reasonable price to pay?

[shadow burrow]

won't have any support

wait for a better sale I would say

[echo gorge]

they do 10 pound sales relatively often, wait for them imo

[reef isle]

If they're relatively often I'll wait for those

[echo gorge]

Couple times a year I'd say

[dusky leaf]

Luxury interior and glass cockpit goose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1znSOi5AAFQ

[reef isle]

They haven't done one in a while so I'm hopeful they might do that soon-ish. I'm also hoping there will be a bigger discount during Easter. As I said, don't need the full crazy 10GBP discount, even at like 30/35 I think I'd get a good enough product

[wide zenith]

some spicy cloud coverage in south UK today

average uk moment

[dusky leaf]

Dont seem to be able to get my rudder pedals assigned

Got toe brakes 💀 Thats the trouble with running an unfamiliar flight sim. No idea how to do anything

[dusky leaf]

The husky is very meh tbh

[dusky leaf]

She does look the part though

[young hazel]

where can I find these airports

[echo gorge]

flightsim.to

[untold finch]

KONT -> KPHX

[wide zenith]

using the new update?

[untold finch]

Yep!

The changes they made to the livery manager are much appreciated, it definitely didn't need to verify them every time

[wide zenith]

Nice! yeah a lot of the changes have been great

I'm glad they fixed the retard constantly playing after touchdown lol

the updated IAE interior sounds are so good too

[untold finch]

100%, going from 50% N1 to FLX on the takeoff is glorious

[crisp adder]

Like DocTrench said, flightsim.to is the place to go.

[wide zenith]

more EZY ops as im a basic bitch

[wide zenith]

did my first flight on vatsim, that was daunting 😅

[trim harbor]

vatsim W

from where to where did u fly

[wide zenith]

EGGP - EGJJ - EGKK

Ive flown on before but made the hurdle to using voice only and it was awesome tbh

little things like being able to see aircraft above whilst on ground burning up the sky was cool

[trim harbor]

respect u flew in the uk 💀

[wide zenith]

got in before school finished

if I arrived around now i'd be contemplating

[trim harbor]

yummy

uncontrolled too

oooof

[wide zenith]

thats a huge pass

[wide zenith]

to top it off, landed right into an s2 exam 🙃

[trim harbor]

700 ft whoops!

[untold finch]

Gonna give this thing another go, see if they've improved it or not

[trim harbor]

has there been any updates to it at all

[untold finch]

Not since 2022. One is apparently being worked on though.

[trim harbor]

really sad

i like the crj but aerosoft butchered it imo

[merry mason]

Why do I have to trick the bleeds into switching properly? One button half a second too soon? Everything is fucked. Deadheading in a window seat? Too bad there’s a fucking wall where your feet go. Need anti-ice in a descent? That fucking sucks, the thing only has enough power to get the anti-ice to come on at goddamn 75% thrust. Descending with power in and spoilers out. Fucking brilliant. Put blowers in the thing so maybe everyone won’t die when you shut the packs off to start an engine in PHX in July? Naw, fuck that. Don’t worry though, once the engine starts are complete, the cabin will cool down. Around the time you get to FL330, which will take around 2 hours because you had to level off at 230,250,270,290 and 310 to take a running start at the next altitude. And that’s if you were one of the lucky bastards that actually had a working APU, even though that pile of shit didn’t do half of anything anyway. You’d see people with their fucking lips on the gaspers trying to suck out whatever “fresh” air they could because the APU puts out air like an asthmatic breathing through a straw. Also, thanks, bumble-fucks at bombardier for not giving the thing slats. I just love 170kt GS approaches into Denver in the summer. Good fucking thing there’s 12000’ of runway, because once I flare from this stupid lawn dart 5 degree down approach angle, there’s a pretty good chance I’m floating forever. Sure hope there isn’t too much of a crosswind. Nothing says stability like main wheels that are 6 feet apart from each other. Taking off is a grand old time too. Flaps 8? Have fun with your 147kt vr speed in a plane you have to start flying at 50kts or the wind will pick up a wing and you’ll wing strike the downwind wing that’s only 3 feet off the ground anyway.

[trim harbor]

what am i reading lmfao

[untold finch]

copypasta about the CRJ-200

https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/40btht/your_least_favorite_aircraft/cyt1c99/

[untold finch]

They do seem to be utterly inept at anything other than making airports

[merry mason]

A classic

[trim harbor]

true

wasnt there a twotter for msfs too

[untold finch]

yes, which then got completely pulled

[trim harbor]

bruh

[untold finch]

theory is that they've given it to Microsoft for FS2024

[trim harbor]

maybe they should finish the a330

[untold finch]

meanwhile the guy who is in sole control of the CRJs is also busy fixing the ATRs

[trim harbor]

hans

[untold finch]

yep

[trim harbor]

or whatever that mans name is

[trim harbor]

g'ole brisbane

[merry mason]

4 years and they still haven't built a spotting area for the new runway like they said they would 😭

I wonder if orbx ever updated their YBBN or if it's still mostly an FSX/P3D port lol

[rustic charm]

Flying Aeroflot for once

ULLI - UUEE (St. Petersburg - Moscow Sheremetyevo)

When I get to UUEE it should be already dark, and I predict (aka see by looking out the window right now) the weather might be not that good

There's snow now

[rustic charm]

Approaching Sheremetyevo

[trim harbor]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2023-03-17/

good sale

[rustic charm]

Average Moscow approach be like

[trim harbor]

whadda hell

[rustic charm]

That’s what Moscow approaches look like xD

There is actually 1 small unnecessary zigzag there cause the plane stopped LNAV suddenly and started banking right

Also I got lucky that MSFS live weather/time were wrong, so it wasn’t dark and was quite clear

[echo gorge]

how's the ortho in russia?

[rustic charm]

Ortho?

[echo gorge]

the photoscenery

[rustic charm]

It’s actually not that different from the rest of the world

Except in some areas outdated (I flown around my house for a bit, it’s there but circa 2019 I’d say)

[echo gorge]

good to hear, flew over china once in sim and was incredibly disappointed

[rustic charm]

Oh is the scenery there bad?

I mean to be fair, it’s taken off Google Maps so it’s not that surprising

[echo gorge]

yeah, did a flight from ZYTL to Kai Tak and I remember the ortho being pretty disapointing

went right over shanghai and was hoping it'd be good but it wasn't

[rustic charm]

I think there are some enhancements for cities

[echo gorge]

that said china's a massive country and there's likely areas of good ortho as well

[rustic charm]

I actually own one, not for China though, for Boston

[echo gorge]

yeah that one looks nice, don't have it yet but it does look really nice

[rustic charm]

It was actually in a pack of iirc 4 cities

USA Modern Cities Volume 1

Boston, LA, Philly and Miami

There’s also volume 2 with SF, Atlanta, Charlotte and Honolulu. Idk if I want to buy that yet, been spending quite a bit lately

Also there’s a separate NYC one from the same dev, which looks awesome

[echo gorge]

one of my friends has the NYC one and loves it

yeah I've just not really flown much this year and don't wanna spend money when I'm not flying 😅

[rustic charm]

I'm just too tempted to get everything yet don't wanna spend anything xD

Wanted to buy the ATR too, it's on sale for quite a while already, but just not sure if I can handle a plane like that

And yeah been tempted to get the ini 300 ever since it released on the marketplace

[wide zenith]

the ini 300 looks great, my friend flew with me with that yday and its now on my lil wishlist 😅

can even open the cargo doors with one of the panels outside the cockpit

[rustic charm]

Well idk if I really want it though, cause I pretty much never fly the A310, and the last time I tried, well, I kinda didn't fly it good

[trim harbor]

thats been my experience w the new ini update

i meant

fenix

whoops

i dont like that the flight controls are handled by an external program

[rustic charm]

I don't know why I didn't fly it good, I probably just am not used to how that thing handles

[trim harbor]

i quite literally got cucked in the ass

by that

[rustic charm]

Also really I've been flying just the 737 for like... 3 months? Other planes feel kinda weird to me already lol

Today I wanted to do a small flight in an AirSerbia 320neo (FBW), loaded in and was like "Where yoke?"

Just wanted to try to land in Tivat that is, cause the airport is bit difficult indeed, and I've flown there pretty much every summer of my life for like 13 years

So then I kinda was like "How the hell do you use autopilot in this thing", changed into a 737 and did the flight. Landing was bit scary really, very close to the mountains

[trim harbor]

i need my 777

[full plank]

haven't flown any Airbus in ages

[trim harbor]

narrowbodies dog

wide best

i pray that ff drops it soon

[rustic charm]

Yeah a good 777 would be nice

[reef isle]

I thought I never cared about the graphics of a flight sim... that changed the moment I started to fly in the Northwest US

It's so beautiful in MSFS, and in Xplane 11 is just... ugh

[rustic charm]

Tbh MSFS overall is very beautiful imo

[reef isle]

It is, it's just that I never really cared that much, and even flying in "beautiful places" in Europe (like Switzerland) I never really felt like I was missing too much, but northwest US for some reason it's just so much worse

[merry mason]

747 is the only thing that’ll get me to reinstall MSFS

Probably will die before that happens though

[rustic charm]

Yes

And to be fair a full 747 pack (or well more likely packs)

With -100s, -200s etc

[merry mason]

I’d settle for a good 400 with related variants but with PMDG it’ll take 50 years and still be missing things that were in the QOTSII for P3D

JF was doing a -200 already iirc

[trim harbor]

748 :)))

[merry mason]

Rather die thanks

Nothing can save that -8, flies like shit

[trim harbor]

i want an a321 tbh

ive never flown it skull

i dont like how the 787 flies

all the planes in msfs feel weird to fly regardless

[merry mason]

Last time I tried the 748 even with the salty mod it was so bad to fly, landing it was miserable as fuck

It either wants to just float forever or slams into the runway and there’s no in between

[trim harbor]

i'd prefer to fly xplane but

the textures

urgh

[echo gorge]

doesn't matter how good a 748 is anyway, they're pretty useless in sim, they're just so restricted in their routes

[rustic charm]

Honestly I just want an older 747 to do classic transatlantic flights

But indeed 747s are legendary, beautiful, but genuinely quite restricted in use

I’d really like a good DC10 tbh

[wide zenith]

I'm most excited for the 75/76, whether or not that'll be good or not 🤷‍♀️

[merry mason]

Nippon Cargo flights out of NRT while I cry myself to sleep at cruise realizing we’ll probably never get a -400D for a modern sim

[echo gorge]

it seems like that 75 will be good, but given how many times they've basically restarted from scratch god knows if it'll actually release

that said, while I think 75s are super cool irl, I hate their cockpits (and the cockpits of all boeings since)

gimme a 72, 73, or early 74 cockpit instead

[trim harbor]

747-200 for xplane

[trim harbor]

i have a friend whos working in that team

[rustic charm]

I don't have xplane, that's the thing

[trim harbor]

apparently solid aircraft

nda though so idrk too much either sadly

[wide zenith]

[trim harbor]

i meannnn

get prosim

oh waits its not prosim

idk who makes the 747

aerowinx that's it

[merry mason]

Will give up the 747 for a MSFS port of the Abacus 787

[trim harbor]

Abacus 787 omg

Memoriesssss

[merry mason]

Kids nowadays wouldn’t know quality flight sim payware, Abacus was best of the best

[trim harbor]

It truly was

Nothing came close it

Better than fenix

[untold finch]

You mean to tell me that you don't like Anchorage?

[wide zenith]

stansted - dublin - stansted rotation done

[trim harbor]

11 hour hop

[trim harbor]

or not because flight sims dont like me and the 787 NWS just broke

[wide zenith]

domestic 787 ops

[untold finch]

The CRJ just kinda... worked?

It didn't go into a hold very well, but other than that it did quite well

GSX Pro doesn't seem to play super nicely with it, it seemed to fail to load the passenger and baggage weights, but otherwise I'm happy

Realturb is awesome, very much glad I bought it

[untold finch]

Ah, apparently this is normal?

Looks like it only loads the fuel weight, the rest is not GSX accessible for most aircraft 😦 I've been spoiled by the Fenix A320

[wide zenith]

GSX has been a bit over the place on aircraft apart from the fenix for me, some loads fuel only, some loads pax only, some can open doors and others can't

Fenix does it best.. I too was spoiled 😅

[untold finch]

Ah well, I mainly bought it for the pushback and marshalling honestly

those are worth the price of admission alone

[untold finch]

Where is this?

That's a fantastic view

[alpine coral]

Chicago Midway

Yeah, I noticed it just roaming around and lined up for a shot

[wide zenith]

that looks incredible

[untold finch]

https://youtu.be/2fjSoDHrDHs

Goes live in 14 mins...

[alpine coral]

👀

[untold finch]

I'm torn on it... On the one hand, it's a ubiquitous real world aircraft made to a high standard... On the other, it's PMDG, and it's a long-haul aircraft...

[wide zenith]

Its not something i'll be rushing to buy, if I could even afford it right now :x

would be a lot of cargo hops as long hauls aren't my thing usually, maybe this aircraft could change that idk

[alpine coral]

Same

I'll get it down the line

[trim harbor]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

finally 777

-300ER only

[untold finch]

Well that told us nothing

[trim harbor]

walkable cabin kinda mid

not really something i care too much about

i hope u can disable it to save frames

[untold finch]

If there is one thing I am not worried about with PMDG, it's performance

Usually runs way better than, say, the Fenix A320 or Leonardo MD-80s

[trim harbor]

im abit weary on it

their NGXu launch for p3d had horrid performance if anything

try #2

god bless

[merry mason]

godddddddd the fucking wing flex again

[shadow burrow]

80eur for each variant and 200 for the group package

If your lucky

[untold finch]

i wish they'd bothered to do a package deal for the 737s

i might have bothered with the 700 in that case

[shadow burrow]

Are you fucking serious

You can’t buy them together?

Joke

[untold finch]

nope

[untold finch]

I'm honestly more keen for an update on the TFDi MD-11 - their discord seems to be indicating slow but steady progress, but I think it's a few months away still

[trim harbor]

theres alot of progress in the

dev channel

they push weekly updates to the plane

i cant complain

lovely

[shadow burrow]

PMDG think they are the shit and that’s really fucking annoying because they aren’t. 737 series is cool but it took them 2 years to make an EFB, they charge so much because they are the only real offering for 737’s in MSFS. $80 is about $20 too expensive for it by default before you even start to think about the fact other sims have the same aircraft for free with the same level of system and flight depth.

[trim harbor]

pmdg still have their fsx/p3d mentality

[shadow burrow]

The 777 should be good I think

[shadow burrow]

100%

[merry mason]

it shows in their work too lol

[trim harbor]

dont get me wrong

i loved their NGX and NGXu

[merry mason]

thhe 777 does not look great

[trim harbor]

but holy shit

is it all average now

we got freeware stuff that's on their level 😭

[shadow burrow]

They think they are the shit when really they are as good as the competition

[trim harbor]

doesnt help that their ceo is a child in an adult body lol

[merry mason]

but PMDG are Boeing partnered or whatever!!!111!!1!1 must be better!!!!!

[trim harbor]

never

[merry mason]

fuck randazzhole

[shadow burrow]

FF777 is the one I’m actually looking forward too

[trim harbor]

i hope that comes out soon

[shadow burrow]

Been 2 years in development

[trim harbor]

as i am also waiting for that

[shadow burrow]

They have liveries on it already, I think they are finalising some systems and then gg

I just know FF will charge $80 for each variation but this time it might actually be worth it

[trim harbor]

do i qualify for veteran status yet

[shadow burrow]

I have a FS2004 CD lying around somewhere lmao

And the iFly 744

[trim harbor]

ifly 747

omg

i honestly liked the ifly 737 more than the omdg one

it had way better visuals imo

[shadow burrow]

What one?

FS/P3D?

[trim harbor]

the normal ifly vs the old ngx

fsx

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

I just flew 320 series aircraft back then

[trim harbor]

aerosoft based

[merry mason]

flytampa kai tak + this bad boy intensifies

[trim harbor]

i flew md11 and ngx back then

pmdg md11 was love

[shadow burrow]

Who made the L1011?

[trim harbor]

CS

[shadow burrow]

I remember flying that once or twice

Yeahhhh

[trim harbor]

or justflight

[shadow burrow]

Back when they weren’t shit

The CS one

[trim harbor]

yea dude cs made good stuff

their 707 and 727 were acc quite nice

[shadow burrow]

The CS L1011 and the Felis AN-24 were my two go to aircraft

[trim harbor]

i tried xp9 and 10 and just gave up

[shadow burrow]

One for P3D one for XP10

[trim harbor]

too complicated

[shadow burrow]

Still easier than P3D

[trim harbor]

p3d is just a goddamn hassle to set up

[shadow burrow]

You install a livery wrong and GG

[trim harbor]

fuck orbx and all the million of graphic enhancement programs u need

[shadow burrow]

Sim reinstall

[trim harbor]

p3d served me well tho

[shadow burrow]

Same here

Just gave up and switched to XP when 11 came out

[trim harbor]

i flew both

[shadow burrow]

11 was really fucking good for when it did come out

[trim harbor]

and then abandoned p3d in favor of x12 and msfs when it became stable

xp11 physics

chefs kiss

[shadow burrow]

8 years ago now man

Fuck

[trim harbor]

yep

[shadow burrow]

FF777 V1, FF757 v1, Jar 320

Can’t believe I put up with them for that long haha

[trim harbor]

jar a330

[shadow burrow]

I still fly that haha

[trim harbor]

xplane sadly never had the success with developers like fsx/p3d

[shadow burrow]

Still doesn’t

[trim harbor]

although the current planes out r great nowadays

[shadow burrow]

XP never had the backing of payware devs, the freeware community was what made it

Still is really

Lack of a GSX is sad however

[trim harbor]

i meanu can buy jar groundhandling :)))

[shadow burrow]

GHD really annoys me

[trim harbor]

theres a free plugin though isnt there

what im looking forward to is hotstart a220

albeit that's a few years away

[shadow burrow]

Oh yeah nah don’t get me wrong that’s really nice to have that equipment, issue is it doesn’t have the same functionality as GSX

[trim harbor]

i know

[shadow burrow]

Loading, pushback, auto liveries, auto config

“DNATA will be your handler for today”

[dusky leaf]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2000800/B17_Flying_Fortress__The_Mighty_8th_Redux/

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Dont think I played it first time round

Dont think I will be this time either

[trim harbor]

g'ole vegas

[untold finch]

Wish that NTTR would be updated

it's one of my favourite maps, it just looks dated now

[trim harbor]

it's good for training

i love using the map for it

[trim harbor]

hooked to the f15e now that it's becoming a proper module

it having JDAMs is great

[untold finch]

F-15E's always been a proper module 😉

[trim harbor]

i bought it on release and was disappointed, although it's EA

[untold finch]

It was just delivered in roughly Operation Allied Force spec

[trim harbor]

felt like the hornet again

[untold finch]

I felt they had a really solid base product, it was just lacking some of the weapons and features people wanted

[trim harbor]

ye thats what i meant

[untold finch]

I probably wouldn't have released it without TFR, but imo, JDAMs, Datalink, JHMCS, etc is all superfluous stuff that it doesn't need to be great

[trim harbor]

datalink is very important in a gen 4

thats one thing that i find super important

JHMCS/JDAM i can agree, it's a QOL thing

but steady progress

i gotta give razbam that

[untold finch]

for a small multirole fighter with average radar, datalink is useful

for the F-15E which may as well have the eye of sauron in the nose? i can't say i'm missing the extra SA, I can already see targets at ~100 miles

[trim harbor]

ig

good makeshift awacs btw

can say from flying f14 that if theres no awacs u might as well be it

[echo gorge]

the iranian way

honestly the thing that interests me most about the F15 is that it's the closest thing to a vark we're likely to ever get

low level penetration

[trim harbor]

i meannn it workss

[reef isle]

Yesterday night there was a great event in the Boston Vartcc featuring dead airlines. I thought I'd try and find the strangest one 😛

Unfortunately there were lots of JBUs and AAL... but I heard plenty of Clippers and Continentals and I landed behind a B-25 in KBTV so, that was a lot of fun 😄

[untold finch]

Guess it was a good time for me to get back into the CRJ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Jqz5yM5Pw

The sounds are one of the weaker aspects, the switches all sound quite plasticky, so this will be a big upgrade

[trim harbor]

i just pray for the erj

[untold finch]

it's slowly getting there

it still does weird LNAV stuff

it cuts the corners on approaches way, way too much

but they've made some good progress on their custom FMS and autopilot stuff, and it'll pay off soon for sure

[shadow burrow]

first major issue i have had with the TU-154

SASL crash

• So SASL crashed and immediately broke the radio's
• I reset the breakers as shown in the flight manual
• the breakers resetting then tripped sasl to shut down the relevant system and because it wasn't present the switch essentially did nothing
• I reset the batteries, engine gen's, APU and a few other things that cause the aircraft to break even more because they rely on SASL to work
• aircraft essentially reset to an "un-activated state"

sent an email to one of the guys maintaining the addon

[agile oak]

Thinking of getting a flight sim

I can run P3D but Idk what people would think of me running P3D

[mossy plaza]

Charter flight to Gran Canaria

[agile oak]

XP12?

[rustic charm]

I’m late, but so they’re doing a 777

I gotta say I don’t wanna spend much, but having flown on those things probably already over a hundred times, I’m definitely gonna be buying it quite quickly

[full plank]

once the 777 releases, that might be P3D gone from my system for good

[tired pond]

good

😛

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/flybywire-shares-new-overview-on-their-a380-for-msfs/

sadly no video of it

[shadow burrow]

on the subject of 777's.....

the new FF one should be just around the corner

this too me seems to suggest different window configs based on liveries

[trim harbor]

r these new pics

[shadow burrow]

ye

[trim harbor]

i need it

ff lemme buy rn pls?

[shadow burrow]

2 months at most I think

If these are anything to go off of then this should blow the PMDG out of the water

[trim harbor]

it will

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyqyL8QcAhs

im wet

[untold finch]

can't watch it right now, but i assume no hint of a release date or even estimate?

[untold finch]

Watched it, looks like that's a no

[mild zenith]

There isn't one

[wide zenith]

BA 💙

also snap!

[wide zenith]

heathrow dep

[wide zenith]

fwiw my friend is at fsweekend, and overhead one of the fbw devs saying at least 3months minimum, so still a bit out for the 380

its freeware and open source so my expectation is they'll release it in a state of a to b and they improve it overtime like the fbw320n

[untold finch]

KMMH -> KPVF

The current progress toward Alaska so far... really need to make progress with this more often

[hollow oracle]

BA1390

[agile oak]

plen

[hollow oracle]

NH3822

still learning landings, i havent crashed yet though, just some really offcenter landings

[agile oak]

First screenshot

[shadow burrow]

I think when I’m back I might install FSX again

See if I can get some gooooood aerosoft action going

P3D is way too much of a pain in the ass to get running

[hollow oracle]

i bought the aerosoft A318/A319/A320/A321 during the spring sale, only to find out that you HAVE to own a physical throttle to use it

cant even use my xbox controller to control the throttle

it needs to be a physical throttle

[shadow burrow]

Yeah

I have that

I also have the aerosoft 320 family

[hollow oracle]

you got any games on your phone

[hollow oracle]

and i definately did not use MSFS timeskip feature to finish this 5 hour flight in under an hour

[hollow oracle]

i finally got a boing off the ground

took all night, but im confident on setting it up from cold and dark, and taking off, and from the looks of it i should be set to land as well

the shag carpet seats have me horrified to say the least, at the very best theyre sponges that soak up every single pilots ass juices

after a few 12 hour flights the smell is going to be unberable

[agile oak]

Ewwwwwwwwwww

[untold finch]

it's sheepskin, it's generally pretty good for seating, easily cleaned, etc

[shadow burrow]

Yeah there is a reason they use it

Don’t really absorb ass juices

Warm, soft and comfortable

[wide zenith]

do quite like this livery, but still prefer the one before more I think

[dusky leaf]

Those bead seat covers are great, gives your arse room to breathe.

[untold finch]

I see the ATR's LNAV is still crap then

hardly what i asked for

[wide zenith]

you made a dodgy $ 😆

[untold finch]

the new zealand dollar

looks nice though

[untold finch]

the approach to NZQN is always really fun

pick your poison

[trim harbor]

left will always remind me of this legendary video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxmFCw-Dig

such a nice approach

[shadow burrow]

Fly it like the Aerosoft

I should fly that again

Still holds up even now

[untold finch]

I have been flying the CRJ lately, it didn't/doesn't do that

only seemed to struggle with holds

Not really sure what happened here, it looks like it tried to go for ISGAN but it was still reading OVLAM as the next waypoint

[shadow burrow]

So yeah the way I usually do stuff like that with default FMS’s is fly manually, nav not engaged then fly direct to the first waypoint and engage nav

[untold finch]

yeah, i might have engaged it too early i guess

ah well, no harm done

[hollow oracle]

WN5723

only my second flight in the 737 and had a safe landing, a little rough and i missed turning on some lights, but its on the ground in 1 piece

[agile oak]

Aerosoft is garbage

[shadow burrow]

This is known

[untold finch]

The CRJ is fine, imo. It's not been updated in a long while but it's a serviceable aircraft that will generally do what you ask it to do.

[untold finch]

Plus new Boris sounds for it soon 😎

[dusky leaf]

Is there a DHC-3 otter for msfs?

[echo gorge]

Milviz says it's on their list, no idea if/when it'll release

[hollow oracle]

I got their airbus packs during the steam spring sale, and you literally cannot fly them with an Xbox controller

You have to have a physical throttle

Related, I am buying the thrustmaster airbus captains pack, with the flaps and speedbrake stuff, I’m all in on airbus

[merry mason]

Pretty decent kit for the price

[hollow oracle]

It kind of sucks that it means I’m limited to flying airbusses realistically, but it is what it is

[merry mason]

There’s a bundle with rudder pedals too but they’re kinda meh, the main one with throttle and t16000m is worth tho

[hollow oracle]

I want to get rudder pedals too, but I’m already way overspending with the throttle and side stic

[echo gorge]

Nah that stuff's fine for basically all civil aircraft

[hollow oracle]

The side stick is really an airbus specific thing, the throttles are good with a lot of planes though

[echo gorge]

For dcs your really want a hotas with more switches but otherwise the airbus throttle and stick will be fine

Well yeah, but it's not like you can't fly a stick plane with a yoke or vice versa, it's fine

[merry mason]

The stick is just a recolored t16000m, you can fly anything with it

Pretty good joystick for the price too, had a couple for years

[hollow oracle]

I really cannot do DCS, too quick for me

[wide zenith]

The twist on the 16000m does me fine for taxiing and basic rudder controls, wouldnt hop in a heli with it tho

[hollow oracle]

That’s what I was planning on using, it’s not fully realistic but it works

[merry mason]

Really wish it twisted further, one of my gripes with it

[trim harbor]

nah its fine

i use a f15EX throttle

[wide zenith]

The main problem is button activated brakes, that fucks me up on sharp turns

[trim harbor]

its a bit jank with a afterburner detent and not realistic but owell

[wide zenith]

yeah fr, can only do so much

[merry mason]

Yeah would be nice if the trigger was analog

Just imagine the passengers breaking their necks during every turn

[wide zenith]

[reef isle]

Can only say good things about the T16000m.

I now have a Virpil stick, and while it's better than the T16000M, I think the 16000 is exceptional for the price. And I'm still using the throttle from that set (TWCS)

[merry mason]

Did you grease the throttle at any point?

[wide zenith]

its doing me fine for now, defo do wanna get some rudder pedals but my fucking uncle sold my old tfrps

which i’m still holding a grudge on

[reef isle]

I disagree. I have no rudder pedal and it's fine.

You can use the paddle in the back of the throttle or the twist grip

It's good enough once you get used to it

You can also use the little dial on the throttle as a brake if you really can't stand a button

[echo gorge]

I really want to get a virpil as my next hotas but the price is daunting

[wide zenith]

Disagree with?

[echo gorge]

My x55 is practically falling apart at this point 😅

[merry mason]

The TWCS paddle is a bit shit as pedal replacement imo, the weird positioning makes it feel like there isn’t an equal amount of travel on both sides (even though there is afaik)

[reef isle]

Well, I do close formation aerobatics, and since I started to lead I felt I had to get the best I could for the people that followed me 😅 otherwise 16000 was good enough to follow

[wide zenith]

I’m either between virpil and a full warthog setuo as the throttle with 16000m doesnt feel that great to use imo (could have got the manufacturing rng)

[reef isle]

I think it's good enough for broad non-precise adjustments. I find it useful to taxi and for helicopters, everything else I use the twist grip

[wide zenith]

so expensive both ways

[reef isle]

Also on Xplane I have the paddle set as tiller and the twist grip set as rudder, so that's nice 😄

[echo gorge]

Yeah very much so

[reef isle]

I think rudder pedals are nice to have rather than necessary, even if you do stick and rudder

[wide zenith]

Ah yeah I agree

[echo gorge]

Virpil's soviet style stick option is a big draw for me, especially the analog brake trigger

[reef isle]

Ah, then I just misunderstood your message, I apologise

[wide zenith]

the twist does me fine for most things, but rudder pedals would make specific movements a bit easier

npnp! I was confused if you were saying my uncle was right for selling my rudders smh

[echo gorge]

The one thing where rudder pedals really are almost a necessity is helos

[reef isle]

Have you looked at winwing? A friend of mine has it, and apparently they're very good value for money if you're looking at something "above" the 16000

[echo gorge]

Especially gun helos, good luck being accurate with a twiststick

[wide zenith]

The twist I suppose is also semi correct in airliners cause iirc they use the tiller irl for taxiing but the pedals for braking