Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[ocean trellis]

i got nearly the same stuff for 1k

not doing prebuild ofc

[short quail]

no

[untold finch]

EGHI -> LFPB

I'm very glad that the skidding issue is fixed next update
took a lot of footwork just to keep it on the runway

But otherwise, it's legitimately very good
Will have to try a runway with an ILS approach next

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lx-flg#31dedb7c
here's what i was copying for the route

[echo gorge]

it's weird, I've genuinely not had much of a problem with the skidding (except the one time I took off at flaps 30)

[untold finch]

It seems to be when you hit 80kts
apparently the flight model takes over from the ground handling whether you're airborne or not
and all that prop torque suddenly takes effect

I was fine until then, and then it suddenly wanted to go for the hangars
had to stamp my right foot down pretty hard to keep it on the runway

But yeah, hopefully fixed soon

the rudder-aileron interlink will take some getting used to

[untold finch]

ah, it needs rudder trim for takeoff? that'll be why
I never read the docs before my first flight, I just get in and go using the checklist 😎

[echo gorge]

iirc the rudder trim is in the to position by default

yeah the rudder aileron interlink's a pain in the butt, kinda cool that they modeled it but it takes some getting used to

[ocean trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8xNi9uU-e4

time to buy a vr

[untold finch]

it's not HOTAS compatible sadly, if you were hoping for that

[lethal jasper]

F-14 / F-22 looking thing

[reef isle]

Flying with a friend of mine and a random person 😄

(I have th 16 on trial)

[untold finch]

It's a good jet, the view is fantastic in VR

[reef isle]

Yeah i really enjoyed it

I mostly trialed it so me and my friend could fly with the same plane, but definitely interested in buying it now 😄

[echo gorge]

it has been tempting for the weaselly bits

I love planning a flight when vatsim controllers are online then by the time I've loaded in sim they've left

[reef isle]

As always

[echo gorge]

turned out center came on line right as I was about to pushback, so I'm not gonna complain

[reef isle]

Good 😄

This plane in this colours is just...

[echo gorge]

how to tell the controller kinda forgot about you

honestly though DEN_CTR was great tonight

[reef isle]

Oh nice 😄

I've flown a few times with DEN_CTR and the controllers always seem to be really good there

[echo gorge]

their controllers seem quite good, but it's also the center I most frequently seem to make a fool of myself in, it's like it's cursed because I did my first vatsim flight there years ago

feels like this flight was the first one I didn't screw up there 😅

[trim harbor]

F16 based

Good plane

Small mfds doe

[ocean trellis]

S7 has more planes then the a320 ?

[shadow burrow]

trying to to barbados - gatwick as quickly as I can

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVOXWls2moM

[echo gorge]

I'm interested, but only once they add the custom lnav/vnav they've promised

[untold finch]

I'm more interested in these than the 175s

Though I'd love if they could do the 145 as well

[echo gorge]

honestly if I could pick any it'd be the 145

[untold finch]

Half of Loganair is 145s, I love seeing the little tartan things

[echo gorge]

the 145's just look lovely in a way CRJs never can match

[untold finch]

100%

Embraer may not be loved by crews but they really know how to make a sleek looking aircraft

[echo gorge]

they're also far nicer than CRJs as a passenger, especially the e-jets

[untold finch]

i've not actually flown as a passenger in real life for over a decade now, should probably change that

[echo gorge]

my local's mostly e-jets and CRJs with the occasional main line narrowbody

not that I've flown in a while either 😅

[untold finch]

e-jets, ATRs, the occasional Dornier 228 or Airbus A319/20, and then private PC-12s/Dassault Falcons/TBMs

knew I'd get it eventually

one of those various european brands

[echo gorge]

the US in general is quite allergic to turboprop feederliners, it's a bit disapointing tbh

[untold finch]

they're quite nice to watch

very quiet too

when an Embraer 190/95 takes off, you know about it
when it's an ATR, you barely hear it

[echo gorge]

#1169044544201949275 message new images of the flightfx 'secret' project

[untold finch]

Looks like it's a Citation X

Very nice, I love their Hondajet

[echo gorge]

Yeah, people figured it out with the first images, which is a level of dedication I don't understand but fully support

Honestly if it's gonna be a modern glass bizjet, the c750's probably the one that excites me the most, I'm stoked

The hondajet's really well made, I just barely fly it because of its avionics suite, something to that quality (and especially a c750) with a better suite and I'll fly the hell out of it

[muted carbon]

Sorry can’t hear you over this fleet of CRJ-200s we just bought, this is the future of regional airlines!

[dusky leaf]

Question for MSFS folk. Does it have a reliable working save flight feature? Not something I have ever used, but I am told the XP save flight feature is fairly broken. Just curious.

[echo gorge]

No idea sorry

[untold finch]

I use Volanta to autosave my flights. Has saved me a few times now.

[echo gorge]

It can do that?

[trim harbor]

Any news on that

[echo gorge]

Think they posted about it recently

[shadow burrow]

Don’t use the one in the sim, most aircraft aren’t compatible with it and tbh most of the addons that are good have an auto save feature already

[untold finch]

I keep looking at the Leonardo Maddog. Is it really worth the crazy high price?

I know the sounds are a weak point, not sure if they've improved since launch

[echo gorge]

If you're gonna fly it a lot I'd very much say yes

The sounds still suck but immersive audio (iirc) is making a sound pack that should be out soon and until then ftsim's pack is quite alright

[echo gorge]

To expand on that, it's basically got the features of the Fenix but better, with a lovely wear and maintenance system

Nothing's got the slick presentation of the Fenix but if you can look past that what's under the hood is great

[reef isle]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion but for me the Maddog is better than the PMDG 737NG

[echo gorge]

Absolutely, it's honestly the best tube in the sim (if you can accept some low res but good looking textures and mediocre sounds)

[untold finch]

is the immersive audio pack going to be included with it, or is it a separate purchase, do we reckon?
Ah, it's separate but will be sold on JustFlight

How is it for bugs, also?

[echo gorge]

I know there are some, but I've never encountered any myself, it's patched every couple months with a few bugfixes

[short quail]

getting closer to Tampa Intl Airport with the CRJ700 i have

[untold finch]

Really can't wait until the ATR is more complete and the CRJs get some much needed love and attention. The state they've been left in isn't great.

[echo gorge]

Yeah, it's frustrating

They're so close to being actually really good but fell down at the final hurdle

[untold finch]

Return journey from Groom Lake

Really love how the -600 flies, absolute rocket

[short quail]

Over Utah and Decending to KSFO

[echo gorge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/hsL098i23D

[short quail]

Have a Buizy day of Flying from one Airport

9:25am KPIA--->CYUL ACA440 A320neo
11:49am KPIA---> KFWA AA105 A320neo
**1 HOUR 30MIN EARLY** 1:55pm  KPIA--->KITH UA410 A320neo
3:25pm KPIA--->KONT FDX1137 A330-300P2F
8:25pm KPIA--->KAFW UPS342 A330-300```

[untold finch]

All I can say about this is... STABILIZER MOTION

[echo gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-dog-angry-upset-gif-21225080

Welcome to the club

[untold finch]

I hit the TOGA button on the runway and it deleted my route, fortunately I thought ahead and copied it to RTE2

it was yelling at me all the way down the runway

[echo gorge]

Wait what? I've never had that happen

[untold finch]

what a great aircraft 😄

It replaced my route with the go-around plan

Note to self, don't do that again

[echo gorge]

Oop

[untold finch]

Also I'm not sure if it was the plane, the custom airports (Flightbeam KMSP/Asobo KORD) or FSLTL, but my frames were pretty rough throughout

[echo gorge]

I've never found issues with framerates on the plane myself

[untold finch]

Will have to try again tomorrow

[echo gorge]

Has better performance than the jf birds for me

[untold finch]

Any idea how to get boarding music to work, also? I had it set for this livery in the load manager, made sure not to select a custom registration, and press the EFB's "start boarding" button but i didn't hear any music

[echo gorge]

My favorite issue with the plane is that a couple updates back the mixture axis controlled the fuel cutoffs but didn't show visually, so I accidently shut down the engines after pushback

[untold finch]

oof

[echo gorge]

Do you have the right settings for the audio files? I had issues until I followed the instructions in the f28's manual for its boarding music

[echo gorge]

Best part is I was on vatsim, had just killed the apu, and had to redo everything on the fmc

[echo gorge]

Msfs requires some specific settings for the audio files

[untold finch]

Ah, cool

[echo gorge]

The old livery was so much better

[shadow burrow]

nah I love this new one tbh

[echo gorge]

(And I'm totally not biased because I flew on the old one)

[shadow burrow]

anything with neon pink is cool

[echo gorge]

Honestly the new livery is pretty good, I just prefer the old one

[shadow burrow]

I can one up you here, I flew the 737max in the old livery

[echo gorge]

Lame, pencil all the way 😄

[shadow burrow]

i wanted a 75 tbh

they are the good pencils

[shadow burrow]

oooooo

just found this image

hamburg

[echo gorge]

Ooh that's purdy

[untold finch]

classic

[echo gorge]

Didn't know that livery lasted that long

[untold finch]

also that Battleship Grey United trijet in the back

🔥

[shadow burrow]

yeah idk why he is there

tiny 172 as well

hahaha

[echo gorge]

What's that air Atlantic(?) bird in the back? Looks like a prop

[untold finch]

Air Atlantique DC-6, I think

In this livery though

[short quail]

Damn Im flying to much

[echo gorge]

Nice

[shadow burrow]

oops

this is in like 8 months ish?

[reef isle]

Do you do long haul flights?

[shadow burrow]

yeah

but not as many as short hauls

[untold finch]

i love that you can legit print out the ACARS messages from the maddog from your actual printer

almost entirely pointless to me as a VR user but
it's just fun

[ocean trellis]

cold war server go brrr

[trim harbor]

Cold war and hornet dont go together

[ocean trellis]

it was a coldwar server tho lol

idk why but yep

[untold finch]

Couldn't not take this out on today of all days. 120 years of powered flight!

[nimble pond]

More flying

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/just-flight-previews-fokker-100-for-msfs-duchess-for-x-plane/

@echo gorge

[echo gorge]

[untold finch]

Quick KLAS -> KONT hop

[reef isle]

wooo let's goooo

[ocean trellis]

🦅 3. most played game

[untold finch]

Fokker F.28 but with more oomph and smarts? Sounds good

[short quail]

CRJ700 KMDW--->KPIA

[trim harbor]

any1 know how the crj actually is now

i wanna do some regional hops

[untold finch]

Still basically abandoned until the ATR is done

[trim harbor]

[untold finch]

Still got the stupid reverser axis issue, still has the wonky autopilot, etc

[trim harbor]

so still no proper regional jet

sadge

[echo gorge]

Sad 146 noises

[shadow burrow]

late into tashkent

[short quail]

is that even an Intl AIrport it looks small

[shadow burrow]

small yes

this is just the international bit

small but with direct JFK flights

[short quail]

yes...

[echo gorge]

@light night give the server rules another read, thanks

[rustic charm]

Folks, might be a dumb question, but well I'm only learning the game now. So is there a keybind to hide the overlays temporarily, aka hide hud to take a screenshot in MSFS

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SruUU5ufdiM

[echo gorge]

I think there might be but I don't know

Also the drone cam should automatically hide the hud

[rustic charm]

Oh, then will try that

Thanky

[echo gorge]

https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/20308-inibuilds-a300-600-airliner-development-update-3​-on-the-final-approach/

[untold finch]

I just bought VerticalSim's KONT yesterday, and quite a few A306s use it... perfect timing honestly.

If this is half as good as the A310 then it'll be worth the purchase

[echo gorge]

yeah I'm quite excited, it looks like it's gonna be a lot better than the 310, and it'll be great for fdx and ups and fun for vAAL

[rustic charm]

Does look quite nice indeed

Hope it's gonna be on the marketplace. Love how it uses steam, so I can buy stuff actually 😎

Now all that’s left to do is to actually learn how to fly

[untold finch]

hate how BMWorld + AmSim seem to snap up all the interesting airports and then nobody else wants to make something better

[echo gorge]

the forum post makes it sound like it'll be a marketplace release some time next year

[echo gorge]

yeah it's really frustrating

[untold finch]

Some time this year I think

Version 1.0 product release before the end of 2023 - features list below 😉 🥳

Quick Comanche flight around Palm Springs. Such a nice aircraft to fly.

The feature set alone is great but the sounds and handling really sell it above and beyond all other GA aircraft for me.

[echo gorge]

yeah it really is truly incredible

[untold finch]

Reminds me, I need to fly mine home from KIAD...

[full plank]

honestly, haven't flown anything else this past week or so

trying my hand at all the scheduled stuff before attempting to do any custom routes with it

[echo gorge]

#900052826749800459 message oh, oh wow

[echo gorge]

New jf dev updates
https://www.justflight.com/in-development/f70-100-professional

https://www.justflight.com/in-development/rj-professional

[untold finch]

Oh nice, a Piaggio! I saw one at RIAT, they look really bizarre.

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/fnoKijGTQw

That‘s insane

Isk what to think about that

[untold finch]

not content with ripping off the FBW A320NEO then

[trim harbor]

Because we need

4 A320s

2 A380s

But 0 A350/220 and whatever

[untold finch]

at this point i just want someone to get the A380 out of the door

and tbf Inibuilds were working on an A380 before FBW announced theirs

[echo gorge]

I'm still really hoping it's a 350, at least that's interesting unlike the 380

[reef isle]

I really don't get all the hype for the 380

don't get me wrong, is a plane I really like and "respect" IRL, it's a very interesting piece of engineering, and an interesting demostration of economics in aviation

but to fly it in the sim?

eh

[trim harbor]

Pls a350

I want more regional jets

Long haul cool and all but man

Do i hate sitting on pc for 16 hours

Ejets, crj, atr, dash, a220 etc r all missing

And in a way the backbone as well

[echo gorge]

Yeah exactly, it's cool, I'll fly it once then never again

[trim harbor]

F70/100 plzzz

They need to hurry up

Im also really tempted to fly crj just because

As much as it sucks It‘s the best (modern) regional jet rn

[rustic charm]

Yeah a 350 would be nice too

[untold finch]

I did 6.5 hours once, never again

Only time I feel like going nonstop cross-atlantic now is with the Concorde

B-2 maybe with a stop in Iceland

[untold finch]

https://store.inibuilds.com/products/inibuilds-dubai-skydive-airport-landmarks-omdu-msfs

For free. Nice stuff!

[shadow burrow]

A380 is hard to get right, its airbus but has a custom avionics suite

just that msfs already has an A380 due

[untold finch]

Turns out WorkingTitle broke the GNS430/530 a bit

https://community.justflight.com/topic/5743/autopilot-after-sim-update-14/36?_=1703108924245

would explain why i couldn't convince it to work in the BKSQ Grand Caravan

Speaking of...

[echo gorge]

oh ffs

snagged air hauler 2 in the jf sale, seems like it'll be worth it for bizjet and turboprop charter ops

[untold finch]

at least a potential hotfix has been posted 😄

[echo gorge]

that's good

[untold finch]

just looked at the store page, very excel-esque

[echo gorge]

yeah it is, but as long as it works well (which I'll really be figuring out down the line) it'll be alright

[untold finch]

I have Neofly but I never use it, i'm just doing flights for no reason at the moment

[echo gorge]

I don't really care about the UI, I play hellfire for god's sake 😅

[untold finch]

😄

i picked up the analog caravan to go with the king air, got pretty much everything else i wanted from there

actually having to put the brakes on getting new content because i'm running out of disk space to install more

no idea how i've done this in a month and a half

flightsim.to has a lot to answer for

[echo gorge]

lmao

yeah I know your struggle

the caravan tempts me, but I just don't think I'll fly it much

[untold finch]

I really want to take it around Africa and places like PNG

It seems like the right plane for that

or Alaska

[echo gorge]

yeah that makes sense

really wish the kodiak wasn't a glass plane

For the bush stuff I'm really hoping milviz releases their otter soon

[short quail]

ima need a 1PB Server for that

[echo gorge]

https://www.justflight.com/in-development/tornado-gr1-msfs huh

really don't understand why they're making it for MSFS, just do it in DCS at this point

[untold finch]

They can't, the Tornado's already being made by Aviastorm

Admittedly in German IDS spec, but that's very close to RAF GR.1 spec

[trim harbor]

German spec best spec

[untold finch]

Imo not when it comes to fighter aircraft

[rustic charm]

Is LVFR stuff good? Noticed it is on sale

[reef isle]

No

It's just a tiny bit above default quality, if you're on PC there is a mod that makes their planes as good as the freeware FlyByWire A320neo

[rustic charm]

So it's justifiable?

[reef isle]

If you get that mod (which you should) you're only buying different 3D models for the FBW A320neo

[rustic charm]

Ah so, well... I was thinking to get the A319/318/321, but well, gonna have to think about it then

[reef isle]

Only you can decide if that's good enough for whatever they cost

[reef isle]

I think although more expensive if you want a good A320 it doesn't get much better than Fenix

[rustic charm]

Well I'm currently limited to whatever's on the marketplace in the game

[reef isle]

Oh... Xbox?

[rustic charm]

Nah, just Russia

[reef isle]

Ah...

[rustic charm]

Well tbf since I'd pay like $9 for the A318... doesn't sound too unreasonable

Thanks for the advice btw

[reef isle]

Np

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HemEbbU4Ts

[shadow burrow]

cant sleep?

do a transatlantic

KIAD - EDDF

[trim harbor]

CS sale, everythings‘ 9.99

[shadow burrow]

morn

[shadow burrow]

8h

KIAD - EDDF

[trim harbor]

@reef isle

https://fselite.net/content/flightfx-shares-new-piaggio-p-180-previews/

[reef isle]

looking forward to that

[echo gorge]

I really can't wait for it and the 750

https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2023?

[untold finch]

who has more than a terabyte of RAM in their gaming PC? christ

also DCS World at 3.2%... i'm fairly sure that's because most of the DCS community haven't got the first clue what Navigraph is, there's a perception that MSFS is an arcade game over there

[echo gorge]

yeah

[shadow burrow]

jesus christ, I have the most default FS setup imaginable

3080, 32gb, Sidestick

also no FF777v2

very angry

[echo gorge]

no JF RJ either 😒

[shadow burrow]

It's been like 3 months since I've flown the Q4XP

oh my

still love it

[reef isle]

1.7% of people think the F28 is the best addon of 2023, I see this an an absolute win

[echo gorge]

because it was

[reef isle]

Yep 😄

"what we learned from this survey is that 1.7% of people are correct"

[shadow burrow]

surprised by just how low xp ranks

[echo gorge]

well I say that but I actually think the vulcan was even better, I just don't like flying it anywhere near as much as the F28

[echo gorge]

I think pretty much everyone but the XP diehards have moved to MSFS (some still playing x-plane occasionally though)

[reef isle]

I think it's better for the price, but in terms of absolute quality I think the F28 is still a bit better, especially the FM, the Vulcan is good but as you get closer to the edge of the envelope it starts to fall apart IMO

[shadow burrow]

I guess MSFS has sort of created its own market as both an "Arcade" and "Realistic" flight sim

[reef isle]

While the F28 as far as I was able to tell always felt so good

under almost all situations

[shadow burrow]

the vulcan is ancient tho, just new textures and some new functionality

its an old aircraft that they ported to MSFS

[echo gorge]

I think XP's jank made a lot of people ready to hop off as soon as something else came along, and MSFS is finally getting proper quality airplanes (Fenix, PMDG, JF, etc...) people are willing to switch

[shadow burrow]

maybe

idk

I'm stupid so I stick to what I know

[reef isle]

I think MSFS has features that appeal to more people

[echo gorge]

I admittedly don't have the XP or P3D versions, but while yes it's a port, I'm pretty sure most of it was rebuilt from near the ground up

[shadow burrow]

yeah as do I

the XP one seems to be roughly the same?

[reef isle]

More people care about pretty graphics than system depth and flight models, we're starting to get FMs and Systems that are starting to be good enough in MSFS so that the "weird people" are starting to switch as well IMO

[echo gorge]

no I totally get that, if it wasn't for taking a couple year break from xp I'd probably still be playing it over msfs

[shadow burrow]

just with the jank 2k textures of early XP11 aircraft

[echo gorge]

could be

[shadow burrow]

I have it but have only flown it like 5 times

its cool but eh

not really something your gonna log onto vatsim with

"Hello eurocontrol, I've come to bomb east germany"

[echo gorge]

yeah I know what you mean, it's the same with the msfs version, it's cool but I probably should yeet it to save space 😅

[shadow burrow]

I'm happy Navigraph did this

It gives a cool insight into the current state of the FS community

[echo gorge]

I always like the navigraph surveys, but I don't think they actually capture 'flightsimmers' as a whole, just the more tuned in members of the community

which is still very interesting to see

[shadow burrow]

I would like to see the subscriber/response ratio

[untold finch]

Buenos Aires, however...

[untold finch]

yeah, only really civsimmers
Navigraph, outside of some charts, isn't really at all useful for DCS, Falcon BMS, and definitely not for IL-2

it's very self-selecting

[short quail]

PMDG cant be Working on a 777 Havent herd anything on it

[untold finch]

They've released previews of it

https://msfsaddons.com/2023/08/14/pmdg-reveals-progress-on-the-777-for-microsoft-flight-simulator/
https://fselite.net/content/pmdg-777-for-msfs-enters-beta-testing/

[short quail]

its like the CS's 777-300ER

[echo gorge]

what rock are you living under

honestly not that interested in the T7, if I wanted to do long haul I'd be running the felis in XP

[untold finch]

Except it's probably going to be considerably better quality

[echo gorge]

that's putting it mildly

[full plank]

days off, so I suppose flying is in order

[trim harbor]

i'm more shocked about the geofs number

[lethal jasper]

As long as Captain Sim isn't on that list, we're fine. 😂

[short quail]

Same Cockpit to So idk

[echo gorge]

uh, no

[trim harbor]

bruh 💀

a cs 777 is obv gonnahave the same cockpit as a pmdg 777

it a 777 after all

[echo gorge]

doesn't the CS one use 748 instruments

[trim harbor]

yes

[echo gorge]

lmao

[untold finch]

The DC Designs F-14 and HB/IFE F-14 have the same cockpits, one is considerably better

[dusky leaf]

https://store.x-plane.org/JRX-Bell-407-for-X-Plane-12_p_1829.html

[dusky leaf]

Aforementioned 407, Lovely flight model, an absolute joy in the hover. Buggy idle stop switch and not a fan of how he has the headphones set up

[lethal jasper]

Wonder if PMDG will re-charge for MSFS24 🤔

Nvm, just searched forums 🤦🏻‍♂️ 😂

[trim harbor]

Wym

[dusky leaf]

Dauphin CYVR area

[shadow burrow]

Ofc

They complained about making the EFB

PMDG are really money hungry

The way is see it

Zibo737 for XP free, has the same functionality, worse model since it’s based on the default 737

And PMDG are charging 80dollars per version

[nimble pond]

Trim is crazy in the first one

[reef isle]

Apparently A350 has been announced by iniBuilds for MSFS

[reef isle]

Yeah... The flight model of the 787 is questionable at best

[echo gorge]

yep https://inib.uk/ini-airliner-update

not really my cup of tea but cool for the long haul folks

[reef isle]

Actually I think this is another one of the few modern planes I'm interested in

I'm not super hyped about it or can't wait for, but much cooler than any A330 or 777

[echo gorge]

it's a neat plane, I just don't see myself flying it, if they made a c series I'd be far more interested

[reef isle]

Speaking of that... Synaptic delayed their presentation to January 😦

[echo gorge]

I'm slightly more interested in the 330 or T7 because they're both more common and they've got short and medium haul freight operations, whereas the 350's pretty much solely doing longhaul (I think)

[reef isle]

But I don't know, I don't really think ini is that good - so far their products felt decent but not that good, they feel a step down compared to PMDG/JF/Leonardo, etc...

Especially their flight models range from OK/Decent to absolutely unflyable

[nimble pond]

I mean Iberia often does London-Madrid in an a350

[reef isle]

I've tried the ini/MS MU-2 and it's the worst flight model I've ever seen in any flight simulator to date.

[reef isle]

(genuinely, not an hyperbole)

I'd rather fly Ace Combat.

[reef isle]

I think you're right about the 777, but the A330 for me it's not really different enough from the 320, to be fun, at least the 350 is a completely new (and very advanced plane), that (unlike the 380) does a bit of medium haul

[echo gorge]

yeah I totally get that with the 330, it's just the lame version of the 340

[reef isle]

Yeah, and the biggest problem with the 777 is PDMG and their fucking awful pricing model

Oh you have the -300ER? Want the -200? Yeah that'd be $70

I hate it with a burning passion

[untold finch]

Loyalty discounts for different versions of what is ostensibly much the same aircraft would be appreciated

I have the 737-600, 800 and 900
Not sure I'd pay for all 3 again, definitely not planning on getting the 700

[reef isle]

If JF gives me a discount on the RJ because I have the 146 I'll buy the RJ just out of kindness

[reef isle]

I'm really interested in the 737 Max but the idea of having to pay AT LEAST 100$ if I want more than one variant is just so off putting

[echo gorge]

I doubt they will given how different they are, but at the same time they did that for the pipers

Though now I think about it I kinda remember hearing there would be a discount, no idea if I'm remembering right though

[trim harbor]

W

So they are doing an A380 too

Interesting

[merry mason]

And still no 747, from anyone

[short quail]

I Say the A380 is the Queen of the Skys Not the 747

kind of a Hot Take if you mind

[merry mason]

it's certainly a take

[lethal jasper]

short and stubby wing king maybe

Love this game sometimes

[shadow burrow]

Japan

JAL run there entire 350 flees operating the Japanese commuter services

Tokyo - Osaka

Sapporo - Hiroshima

Shit like that

Also 3+h is some cool routes by Cathay and SIA that they do

[trim harbor]

Biggest L in the flight sim community rn tbh

Idk why theres no 74 but a380s

[merry mason]

so many roles the 747 can fit but seemingly everyone would rather leave it to PMDG

and not to say the effort in it isn't good but, the salty 747-8i isn't exactly worth flying a lot

[untold finch]

Salty 748 is outdated now, the base game one is better at this point

[merry mason]

shows how long it's been since I touched MSFS 😅

[echo gorge]

Theres a Maddog update out

[trim harbor]

Wuts new

[untold finch]

Aye, looking forward to DLing it

[untold finch]

Bugfixes for the most part, engine volume slider, some other bits

Aircraft Options in the EFB now too

[echo gorge]

Best of all 122.8 by default

[lethal jasper]

Does anyone know where Sun Country operated Amazon planes park/load at KMSP?

[echo gorge]

Iirc the cargo pad is near the fbos

Maybe the west cargo apron? The central one seems like it's basically just ups and fedex

[shadow burrow]

There is another one off the runup pad

[reef isle]

Eyyy I won the E195 on a giveaway

Looking forward to trying it

[untold finch]

Damn, nice

[trim harbor]

the FSS one?

[reef isle]

Yes

[trim harbor]

https://youtu.be/oQHmtXHr2X8?si=Fdq-edFXVdMStmBC

cant wait

stuff looks so cool

id get vr out for this

[echo gorge]

Oh I can't wait

[shadow burrow]

https://amzn.eu/d/bdBSItL

Very tempted

I have the Airbus side stick atm but zero room on my desk for the Quadrant

I bought both like a year ago but sold the quadrant because of the lack of space

This would solve pretty much all my issues

[untold finch]

https://www.flysimware.com/FLYSIMSTORE/home/130-flysimware-learjet-35a-msfs.html

Flysimware learjet is out

[trim harbor]

Ayo

[crisp adder]

I'd recommend looking into VKB Sim for a good flight stick. Their Gladiator is reasonably priced and very well made. I use it both in military and civilian flight sims. Plus, the whole system is modular and can be expanded with various add-ons.

[reef isle]

Departed from Sylt , this plane is so intuitive and easy it makes the 320 feel like a 737

[shadow burrow]

Issue is they are quite large and don’t have combined throttles, also I’m not much for DCS more airline flying so this would probably be way overkill for me

[echo gorge]

Careful taking it on vatsim though, it doesn't like directs on sids and stars

[shadow burrow]

This is good because it has the combined throttle/flap

Plus it’s not too large

[shadow burrow]

Reminds me of the Xcraft V2 Ejets

When they first came out for XP

[echo gorge]

They do keep updating it, so hopefully it'll have the new lmav/vnav in 2024

[reef isle]

Ah 😬

Guess I'll do DCT on the FMC, then do HDG, and then back to LNAV once I'm there

thanks for the heads up 😄

[trim harbor]

how is it?

would you recommend a purchase rn?

[reef isle]

Survived the DCT (just about), but I made it

[reef isle]

Only done 1 flight so far - but I wouldn't pay more than 25/30€ for it right now

But TBH I'm not the biggest Embraer fan, and I have no plans to ever study it and go much beyond getting it to go from A to B, so I'm biased against it somewhat

Glad I won it, or I wouldn't have bought it otherwise 😅

[echo gorge]

https://inib.uk/a300-release-information

[trim harbor]

23k in a atr is crazy

[trim harbor]

quite looking forward to this one - prefer it to the a310 personally

[echo gorge]

Yeah same

[trim harbor]

lord

[echo gorge]

Honestly I'm amazed you're willing to fly the atr 😅

[trim harbor]

nah i actually like the atr quite alot

i hate the dash tho

[echo gorge]

It's just frustratingly close to a quality model imo, but I'd doubt it'll get updated to make it actually worth my time

[shadow burrow]

Pressure at 1009 at 23k?

[trim harbor]

i keep forgetting to std

icba

[reef isle]

I just don't get why they did the -600

[trim harbor]

a300?

[reef isle]

ATR

[trim harbor]

oh

idek what the differences between all r

[reef isle]

New avionics and capacity

[trim harbor]

i like the current one

[trim harbor]

im happy we have the current one i cant lie

that cockpit looks horrid

[reef isle]

But a lot of the operators I'd like to "fly for" never had the -600

(and steam gauges>>>>>>>>>>)

[trim harbor]

depends on the plane

i do prefer classic aviation too though

90s were the golden mix of modern and old imo

[echo gorge]

At least jf are making the A30B

The 600 will be great for cargo, the b4-200 will be great for pax

[trim harbor]

737 classic plz

[echo gorge]

Nah pmdg's gotta make every long haul in existence first

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTGZq6IVgM

[untold finch]

There's an update coming in January apparently

[trim harbor]

i never knew this thing existed but i want it

[untold finch]

It looks very good, but I'm really just bored of learning new and fairly samey airbuses across the continental US at this point
I really want to start seeing stuff from the 60s and 70s

really is just like watching ants burst out of their Louisville nest

[reef isle]

Yeah I was talking about the ATR 😅

I'll only consider the ini 300 if costs about €30

I already know it'll be an A310 with a different 3d model and hopefully a twaked flight model

don't really want to pay too much for that

[untold finch]

£34.99 is the official price

[untold finch]

It's not though

[reef isle]

Is it not?

[untold finch]

#1165354616993632397 message
this has all the info you need

they've gone surprisingly in-depth with it

it has maintenance features apparently

i think it'll be like the A310, but more study-level, with cargo/passenger layouts, and more features

which is probably why i won't get it because the A310 is good enough for me

hard to argue with free

[reef isle]

Yeah

And I mean, they might add things that are not in the A310, but the cockpit and system will be exactly the same, which is what actually matters 😅

and 35GBP for that for me is not reasonable, especially when the JF A300B4 will be a variant that I find a lot more interesting, and I'm sure will be better quality

[untold finch]

dynamic tyre wear sounds cool but i can't imagine wanting to have to play Microsoft Mechanic Simulator before I can get into the cockpit

oh lordy the sounds though

[reef isle]

yeah

[shadow burrow]

Most modern variant, Modern avionics are much more approachable for new players and more will want to get it

[echo gorge]

It is a shame though, thr 500s are way more interesting

[shadow burrow]

Use the XP10 aerosoft one with the very modified ACF file that adds a bunch new stuff and working FMS

500’s are cool asf tho

[short quail]

Damn

[fathom fable]

I’m trying to sync the data from my mums Xbox but I’ve got between 500 and 800 hours

[muted carbon]

ok I'm just looking to nitpick since I know these planes fairly well, the Fedex and UPS planes they depict should have the late production large cargo door at the rear lower position, but I see the narrow door; curiously the main deck cargo door panel IS the late production version though (on most of them there's a lock handle physically mounted on the door instead of a switch that drives a motor to do that)

otherwise the A300 looks pretty nice, almost tempting enough to get back into flight sim

[crisp adder]

Sorry, ultra-late answer. But the VKB Gladiator is acutally quite small, maybe a tad larger than a Thrustmaster stick? It also has a small lever that can be used as throttle in a pinch. These days I mainly use it for civilian aviation (airliners and GA planes) and I really like the amount of buttons and encoders it has. Very convenient, plus it´s built very well, unlike Thrustmaster products. The TB products apparently have QC issues, at least according to r/hotas.

[shadow burrow]

TM products are shit

I'll have a look

I ain't bought anything yet so we will see

[trim harbor]

depends on ur usage, if u do dcs too i'd recommend winwing

vkb is great, virpil is supposedly also very good

[light night]

does anyone know why i have the fuel supply on but am not getting fuel

im desperate i have a 10 hour flight and i dont wanna crash

nvm i got it fixed

all good

[reef isle]

I fly in close formation with a team, and pretty much everyone has Virpil, IMO only good TM stuff is the medium/low range products which are decent value for money (in particular the Hotas X and T16000 - which is what I have ATM), I have some Virpil stuff coming once they decide to ship it

[untold finch]

Can confirm that Virpil is incredibly good. Went from a TM Warthog to a Virpil MongoosT-CM3 base, and my hovering skill in stuff like the Hind and Apache pretty much doubled overnight. I could hold a hover before but it was hard work. Now it's all just fingertip pressure, super easy.

[untold finch]

Quick Southend to Bristol hop.

[echo gorge]

The virpil stuff is very tempting bu the prices dissuade me (at least in the short term)

[untold finch]

entirely fair

[untold finch]

rip inimanager again, as half of the msfs community descends upon the A300

[untold finch]

okay i may have given in

It's pretty good

[trim harbor]

r there any features but the flying the actual aircraft

maintenanceetc

[untold finch]

Yes, it has a fair bit of maintenance

brakes, tyres (both with visual indicators), oil levels, etc

the performance is
not great

not the worst, but not great

[echo gorge]

On par with jf or worse?

[untold finch]

Worse

Hit a couple of bugs with it. It has an invisible third radio that you can't configure but does catch local ATIS, so I tried to disable that with the radio controls. Big mistake, because if you touch those you lose all ATC audio for the flight, same as the A310 which still isn't fixed.
It also seemed to stray off the flight plan once, it was almost like it forgot which leg it was on?
Navigraph chart implementation is a bit wonky - no pin function, and the position indicator (which you can't seem to turn off) actually seems to be referencing the top left corner of the aircraft graphic and not the center of it?
Also, might be something I did wrong, but I could not convince LOC/GS to capture at all. I've hit this in the A310 as well so it's probably user error.

The sounds were good, though for some godforsaken reason they were all turned down to 50% in the EFB (yes, it's got its own audio controls on top of the sim ones) so you have to crank them to 100% if you want to hear much.
Visually, impeccable. It looks absolutely stunning from every angle, as do most IniBuilds things.
Performance... it seemed to fluctuate throughout cruise? Not sure if it was FSLTL messing things up but I actually seemed to get better performance in VR than I did in 2D which is odd. If I had to rank it out of 10, with 10 being the most undemanding addon ever, and 0 being the A310 at IniBuilds KLAX with FSLTL cranked up to the max... I'd probably give it a 4.
Hand-flies a lot better than the A310 too.

Would have loved a way to view the OFP on the EFB as well, but oh well. The rest of the simbrief integration is good.

[shadow burrow]

lmao this is a bug in the xp one

has been since launch

the radios I mean

[shadow burrow]

with XP you can just disable the output of the radio in settings

[short quail]

going to

[shadow burrow]

worth buying xp11?

[crisp adder]

Thanks for your initial review! Tbh, the A300 looks like it could be a fun long-term plane that could replace the 737 as my "go-to yoke-aircraft". Looking forward to hear more of your impressions in the coming days especially since I'm gone over the long weekend and can't get my hands on it, yet.

[untold finch]

Doing a second flight in it now; performance seems better today, and I'm doing the reverse route of the one I did last night, so I think the perf issues were probably FSLTL.

Visually, again, it's incredible. Right down the orange peel on the paint.

[trim harbor]

no, buy 12 instead imo

performance and graphics are better

if you're new to flightsims though, buy msfs instead

[untold finch]

or DCS if you want to do combat stuff

[trim harbor]

yup

[shadow burrow]

dcs played msfs played too broke for xp12

[trim harbor]

i wouldn't recommend xplane because theres literally no free aircraft

msfs has the fbw atleast

n 330

and it's just abit old and outdated in my eyes

[shadow burrow]

What the fuck are you on about

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/topplanes/

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/138974-b737-800x-zibo-mod-info-installation-download-links/

https://forum.thresholdx.net/clubs/page/3-737ng/

[trim harbor]

i forgot about that

the levelup 737 that was abandoned

including their max because walthers' 737 max

quite unfortunate story really

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/85139-free-e-jets-by-x-crafts-e175-e195-v25/

[trim harbor]

that thing is pure dogshit

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/22160-let-l-410-turbolet/

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/77300-evektor-ev-55-outback/

Just go through the forums and look my friend

[trim harbor]

i'm condeming my words to actual comparable commerical aircraft such as 737/320

[shadow burrow]

Don’t just dismiss a sim because you didn’t look into it

[trim harbor]

brother wtaf

i literally fly xplane myself

r u ok

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/89173-x-works-a330-900neo-mod-for-default-a330-300-x-plane-12/

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/88373-x-works-a340-mod-for-laminar-a330/

[trim harbor]

xplane 12

my guy said xplane 11

you're getting super defensive jesus

all i said was that msfs is a better option for starting

theres no need to explode

[reef isle]

The planes I'm flying the most in Xplane11 are the Free B720B and the Tu-154

[reef isle]

And the Zibo 737 is as good (if not better) than the PMDG

[untold finch]

Looks like the A300 has the same failure-to-capture-glideslope bug that the A310 has had for over a year now 🤦‍♂️

[trim harbor]

i prefer pmdg visuals and systems wise probably zibo

[light night]

how do i turn on cabin lights in the C90??

[shadow burrow]

here's a question, have you gotten the bug with the 720 where you end up with the GPS not turning on at all when stating up

[shadow burrow]

i see

[reef isle]

I don't use the GPS sorry

[echo gorge]

https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/20551-inibuilds-a300-600r-airliner-for-msfs-v101-released/

[trim harbor]

that's alot for day one patch

[trim harbor]

super clear skies tonight

[trim harbor]

leipzig based

best airport

[untold finch]

i'm a sucker for airports that have taxiways over roads

[rustic cedar]

Jesus
https://shop.thrustmaster.com/en_gb/viper-tqs-mission-pack.html

[trim harbor]

thrustmaster is mid

theres better options

[trim harbor]

leipzig great because it's a big cargo hub

cant wait for the 777 to drop

aerologic my love

[untold finch]

Their sticks aren't great, their replica combat aircraft throttles are pretty solid though

still using my TM Warthog throttle with the slew sensor upgrade, it's great
not found anything yet that it doesn't have enough buttons for

[trim harbor]

i can vouch for the stick

i've used my warthog for the past 7 or 8 years now

the throttle was really good, the stick started giving in after 4 or so years though

[untold finch]

i just use the grip from mine now, mounted it on virpil stuff

[trim harbor]

reinstalling gsx might've been the biggest pain

that i've had w flight sims in recent times

[untold finch]

I keep looking at it but the setup seems like a real pain, especially if you go to lots of different airports

[trim harbor]

i've been installing it for 3 hours now

i dont even know what it's installing anymore

[crisp adder]

So, after the release and one patch, how's the A300? Worth the purchase?

[trim harbor]

for 35 bucks imo yes

performance is still abit mid

[crisp adder]

How are the flight characteristics (AP, ground handling etc.)?

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/bluebird-simulations-tease-767-and-say-757-release-optimistic-for-2024/

hype

[lethal jasper]

👀 Have to wait for flight reviews before throwing money at it

[crisp adder]

So after two short hops between Leipzig and Stuttgart airports I feel quite happy with purchasing the A300. An older Airbus is a nice change from FBW planes I used to fly lately. I also have a reason to set up the Honeycomb yoke again.

I only have a minor issue when flying an ILS approach. For some reason the plane doesn't capture the glideslope despite being set up for landing (I guess?). Now that I think about it, maybe leaving NAV mode on could be a problem?

[untold finch]

Known issue. The fix is to not be in Profile mode. Switch over to ALT HOLD mode before trying to capture the glideslope, and use LVL CHG if you need to ascend/descend.

I had the same thing on my first two flights

[crisp adder]

Ok, that's good to know. Thanks! I'll give it a try later. Otherwise the plane really is quite enjoyable.

[untold finch]

Absolutely is, I've done 4 flights in it so far, really like it

[ocean trellis]

mission breefing goes brrr

[echo gorge]

doing a big PVE mission?

[ocean trellis]

yes

[echo gorge]

nice, I've always wanted to try doing that, used to love big pve arma missions

[ocean trellis]

we'll so how it goes haha

also with srs and stuff

real atc

going to be interessting

[echo gorge]

sounds real fun, all teen series fighters?

[echo gorge]

how's the b2?

[untold finch]

Not bad. The CDU is completely frozen but fortunately I can use the PMS GTN750 window to sort my flightplan and radios

It didn't do this last time I flew it so I've probably installed something that's broken it

Surprisingly functional for a relatively cheap aircraft though, and very visually detailed

[echo gorge]

have you got the Vulcan? it's quite well made for a military plane in msfs (and is at a very decent pricepoint too)

[untold finch]

I do indeed, it's a lot more in-depth than the B-2

[echo gorge]

tbf I can kinda understand why a B-2 wouldn't be the most in depth 😅

[untold finch]

I just figured that, given that we'll never ever see the B-2 in DCS, I may as well give it a go in MSFS

yeah, we've only just recently been shown what the real cockpit looks like (this is based on those photos)

There's just something about this shape though...

[ocean trellis]

mixed

[echo gorge]

ooh nice, seems like a lot of them heavily focus on the most modern stuff, good to see some providing for (somewhat at least) older planes

[untold finch]

These are also droppable, which is quite rare for MSFS

but I don't think Canada would appreciate that so I shan't today 😄

[echo gorge]

iirc the free fall bombs on the vulcan are also dropable, but sadly not the missile, would be fun to watch that shoot off

[untold finch]

Can't even imagine what that would look like, Blue Steel was massive

but huh, will have to try that next time I fly the vulc

[untold finch]

Where are you taking the -800 today?

[echo gorge]

BOI-DEN

I love the Vertical BOI with all the A10s lined up on the ramp

[untold finch]

Ah, I bought that to fly the A300 to but I've not gone there yet

and KDEN is always good

Guessing you're running either Flightbeam or FlyTampa? I forget who made KDEN

[echo gorge]

Flightbeam, and yeah it's great

don't really fly modern routes much but joined a United virtual airline that just launched and currently only has modern routes but should add historical timetables in the future

[untold finch]

oh nice!

[trim harbor]

United W

[echo gorge]

this has gotta be wrong

[reef isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ackklzVyVM&t=98s

How did I not know anything about this

STEAM GAUGE HIGH QUALITY BIZJET

[echo gorge]

it looks quite cool, the early access scares me a bit but people in other servers I'm in seem to be enjoying it

and Lear 35s are

those tip tanks 🤤

[reef isle]

I learned about this thing's existence in MSFS a few mintes ago, is it already available to buy?

I really wanted a bizjet to operate routes that no commercial plane would reasonably do (not even a 72 )

I wish they implemented the KLN90B

[echo gorge]

yeah it is
https://www.flysimware.com/FLYSIMSTORE/home/130-flysimware-learjet-35a-msfs.html

[reef isle]

woah

that's so nice 😄

[echo gorge]

I'm very tempted to buy it

[reef isle]

I'll watch that video and then decide, I watched some snippets and it seemed that the only WiP part was the textures

and I can't care less about that if I tried tbh 😅

[untold finch]

i bought it the other day, still yet to fly it

[echo gorge]

for me the real trouble with buying it now is all the sales, the c160 finally has a sale outside the marketplace for example

[untold finch]

they've already put out like 5 patches for it as well

[reef isle]

Oh yeah, the C414 was crazy

[untold finch]

C-160 has never been in better shape, it's a great time to invest

[reef isle]

they like pushed 2 updates a day sometimes

[untold finch]

damn

I also got the FSS Embraer 190/195, pretty happy with them so far. The autopilot gets confused sometimes, but the lack of VNAV isn't too bad when you have a FL CHG button to work with.

[trim harbor]

learjet is scary

[reef isle]

it's just that friggin GNT750

I hate it

[trim harbor]

it's such a weird bizjet

[echo gorge]

yeah, the VNAV's not the problem imo, the LNAV is

[echo gorge]

at least there's a 530 option, though I'd rather true /a

[untold finch]

I can see that being the case. It behaved itself for the most part today but just started going off on a weird tangent at one point. Think it's because I changed the approach mid-flight

[reef isle]

Again, my knowledge is less than 0, would it be era appropriate to have this jet flying /a?

[echo gorge]

yes

[reef isle]

looks quite modern-ish?

[reef isle]

NICE 😄

[echo gorge]

built starting in 73, so no civil gps

[reef isle]

yeah, fair enough

I'll also try and suggest them adding the KLN90B

[untold finch]

tbh the 530 is so good at this point (thanks WT) that I use it quite a lot
even opted to keep it in the SWS PC-12, no point in running a GTN750 when the PC-12NG is coming anyway, may as well lean into the retro

[reef isle]

It's just that I hate the real unit ahah

I actually prefer the KLN90B to the 750

[echo gorge]

yeah, my only gripe at this point is that it doesn't let you load flight plan files

[rustic cedar]

soo does anyone here fly in VR

moved once in Falcon BMS, nearly died of death

[echo gorge]

I don't, I think @tired pond does in DCS

[untold finch]

I do, other than during cruise in airliners or strategic bombers

Falcon BMS' integration is a little janky I'm afraid, due to the fact that it was added after the fact. What issue did you have with it specifically?

[tired pond]

I do but haven't played much recently

[trim harbor]

falcon

gigachad

[echo gorge]

really need to play falcon again, the campaigns are just so

[trim harbor]

good news tho

dcs did mention the dyanmic campaign in their latest newsletter

i'm staying positive for 2024

[untold finch]

it's going to be longer than that I think

[trim harbor]

pleaseno

well theres pretense now

[untold finch]

it's a massive project, they've got to do so much untangling of old spaghetti code and fix up the AI to make it even playable

never mind designing all the systems, making the UI for them, playtesting, bugfixing, etc

[trim harbor]

i'm mostly looking forward to mig23 and kiowa this yr

[untold finch]

Kiowa yes. MiG-23... I'd be very surprised

[trim harbor]

well razbam been teasing it ALOT lately so im positive

[untold finch]

They have, but I think it's still about a year off. DCS stuff takes so much longer, the market's just so much smaller and the amount of development is so much bigger, as well as the relatively old APIs that they have to work with

We'll definitely get the Phantom, almost certainly the Kiowa, probably the F4U and the La-7, but I'd be surprised if anything else aircraft-wise turned up

[echo gorge]

really hope it's this year, but I think malakhit's right

[trim harbor]

i forgr the phnatom

i even preordered it

better be good

[echo gorge]

also really hope those 29 teases turn out to be real

[untold finch]

same, I got the edition with both vinyls - looking forward to the day they show up

[trim harbor]

i did too

both vinyls n shirt

[untold finch]

I think it's all just the FC3 one, they just like the model a lot. If they managed to find a way around the legal barriers they hit before, I'll be thrilled though

[echo gorge]

phantom's looking super cool, but being two person puts me off

[trim harbor]

jester my secret crush

[echo gorge]

yeah, certainly in the images they posted, I just feel they post too many images of it compared to other FC3 stuff to not at least be teasing, but god knows if it'll ever happen

a german 29 could get around the russia issues, or maybe some other export one

[trim harbor]

i doubt for a while

i'm really really sad that the redfor market is so undersaturated

they interest me more than a f18

[untold finch]

sadly, a MiG-29A is going to struggle in game against anything newer than the Mirage 2000

[echo gorge]

yeah same

[trim harbor]

balance in dcs is a really big hit or miss

thats why i dislike pvp so much

[echo gorge]

totally, but honestly the two of them would be a really fun match up

[untold finch]

i'm glad they don't bother with balance
better to make it realistic rather than artificially fair

my squadron is all PvE and all rotary, and I'm glad for that tbh

[trim harbor]

wasnt the f14 the plane they "balanced" the 54s' because they were unfair in pvp

i swear i can remember something along the lines a year or two ago

[echo gorge]

totally, but I think you can do more balance by choosing aircraft of a similar capability to model, instead of having ~2000s bluefor and at best early 80s redfor

[untold finch]

there was some talk about it, but it's never really been true
stuff usually releases a bit OP and then they tend to bring it down to more realistic levels based on new data

The Phoenix is currently in a good place honestly
it kills bombers well, doesn't do amazingly well against fighters, just like it should be

[trim harbor]

in ACM the 54 is a banger on a 20-25mile range imo

[echo gorge]

how's the jeff? obviously it's not gonna truly match the teen fighters but it does seem like it can be a reasonable asymmetric threat at least

[trim harbor]

i usually carry aim9s, sparrows and phoenixes anyway

[untold finch]

I prefer the AIM-7 for ACM honestly

[trim harbor]

yup

till they dont go pitbull

troll of the century rocket

[trim harbor]

i love the jeff

jeff looks sexy, flies sexy and is redfor

it's super modern

[untold finch]

It's good at BVR, can do A2G quite well but with limited payload, not great in a dogfight though. Really feature-packed little greenfor aircraft though

[trim harbor]

it's neat

[rustic cedar]

used to play 4.0 back when i were a kid, always jump back into it every now and again
always been a filthy casual though
haven't played any flight sims properly for years but clutch a cheapo hotas setup just to mess about with again

[untold finch]

okay, time to bring this thing home to Keflavik
descending from 43,000 feet is going to be a lengthy process

[trim harbor]

5000fpm all the way

[trim harbor]

i like bms because of (obv) the campaign and the f16 itself

graphics of course arent the best sadly but it's still good

[echo gorge]

the BMS campaign is just so good, I really wish we had a more modern sim with such a great campaign

I love that it has stuff like resource attrition

[trim harbor]

Like i said, for dcs try pretense, imo very good

Better than liberation

Ofc nothing will come close to bms sadl

[untold finch]

KSZL -> BIKF

6h16m flight time, still had plenty of fuel left. The approach mode was a little squirrely but it's quite nice and easy to hand-fly.

[reef isle]

Oh you need to change the course on the HSI yourself even if you use the GPS

that makes it more fun at least

(the Lear 35a)

[untold finch]

wait what

glad you told me, that'd have been fun to find out when i take it for a spin

[reef isle]

hehe

[ocean trellis]

tbf it was all modern exept for 2 f14 one of which i flew haha

[heavy schooner]

DCS?

or MSFS?

[reef isle]

DCS

[echo gorge]

redownloaded rise of flight and thought I'd give it a go, holy hell have textures improved in the past 10 or so years

(and it wasn't letting me bind anything to my throttle 😡 )

[reef isle]

@echo gorge asked in the Q&A and no plans for either KLN90B nor /A for the Lear 35a 😦

[echo gorge]

That's a real shame, I'll still get it I think but that's unfortunate nonetheless

[reef isle]

Agreed

[crisp adder]

Feels good to set up the Alpha again. Flying with a yoke just feels different than using a stick in a more modern, automated Airbus.

[dusky leaf]

I do love my Alpha, but hate that stupid cable, just makes it look cheap and nasty

[untold finch]

sad what's happening to honeycomb though
i initially looked at their Alpha (not sure how i'd attach it to my simrig though) but it really does look like they're not long for this world

[trim harbor]

I bought the honeycomb, still never used it

It takes too much effort to set it up and then only use it for T/O and Landing

Too bulky and spacey, really unfortunate

[reef isle]

Is the flap lever notched?

[untold finch]

fly GA more then 😉

[crisp adder]

Unfortunately not. It's just a normal axis. Though with some 3d printing magic you should easily be able to create detents.

[crisp adder]

It's fun to use with GA planes that can be flown manually. I also enjoy using it with the P-38 as that feels quite good, too. Though I really wish there'd be affordable force feedback yokes. The sim racing market is quite ahead of flight simming in that regard.

[light night]

yo i need help

i got the dc designs concorde

but it doesnt go faster then mach 1

i dont know why

afterburners are on

[reef isle]

Looks like you didn't follow the correct climb procedure, you're too high and too slow, that means you have too much drag to overcome now

Descend, and get some speed and then climb again

[ocean trellis]

Si

[heavy schooner]

Nice

[untold finch]

You also have to manage your fuel correctly to hit Mach 2. Look up how to operate the trim tanks in the manual. You need to shift the CG around using fuel weight in order to reach top speed.

[light night]

ight

[ocean trellis]

speaking of dcs

[light night]

im not much of a pro really

could hardly even work the autopilot haha

i just do lil flights over the uk

[ocean trellis]

i might got something in the sale

[light night]

so bit of a jump for me lol

[reef isle]

No need to on the DCD

[light night]

btw

[untold finch]

No, you absolutely do

[light night]

is there a keybind for the trim tank things

[untold finch]

It's more automated/simplified than it is in the FSLabs one, but it's still required

[light night]

so i dont have to press it manually

[reef isle]

I have it, and some time ago I decided to try without managing fuel and everything was fine

[untold finch]

Weird, I had to follow the steps in the manual to get mine to climb and hit the right speed

[reef isle]

Yeah, I followed the manual and did everything BUT transferring fuel and it was fine

[untold finch]

don't think so, it's all in the flight engineer's station and you kinda have to look at what you're doing to do it

[light night]

ohhh

damn

where is it in the engineers panel?

[untold finch]

Maybe there's been a change since? Dunno if he fixed something with or not. I know there's a big update coming with improved visuals and CIVA INS

[light night]

im really bad at finding a specific switch

[untold finch]

honestly it's best to read the manual for it, it's all in there
the engineer's panel is a bit of a mess of switches, and i've only flown it once

[light night]

ok

can you send a link to the manual

[untold finch]

it's included with the product

in Packages\Community\dcdesigns-aircraft-concorde\Documents\Concorde

not sure if it's hosted online anywhere

[reef isle]

Yeah, might have very well changed it for all I know

I still doubt the FM is good enough for fuel transfer to have an effect 😅

[light night]

so what should my climb rate be

1000fpm?

[untold finch]

I'm not sure if I set it to a specific rate - think i set it to speed hold instead

Ah, yeah - 1k fpm seems to be what's recommended from 40,000 feet up

I know it's DC Designs and it's lower fidelity that it could be but i absolutely had a blast flying the thing

[light night]

wait

do i put fuel in the rear during supersonic flight

or thhe front

[untold finch]

Forward for takeoff and landing, rearward for cruise.

[echo gorge]

have any of you played IL2 flying circus and if so do you recommend it? the first world war bug's bitten me again and ROF's both old and being tetchy with my hardware

there's something special about watching wings slowly fold off instead of the plane exploding in a fireball

[light night]

ight

im gonna move the fuel to the front by 10000ft

[crisp adder]

I purchased and played FC a while ago for exactly those reasons. Dogfighting with those old planes is indeed special, each fight feels like a deadly dance in the skies. FC is well done and the planes themselves look, feel and sound very nice.

I just gave up after a while because my interest in WW1 aviation wasn't as big as I thought it would be. I also don't own a reliable head tracking system which is absolutely necessary because otherwise you'll quickly lose track of enemies.

These days I also don't feel comfortable supporting Russian companies so I've steered clear off the IL2 franchise.

[echo gorge]

thanks, yeah that all makes sense

[light night]

i have a question again (sorry i suck at msfs)

can i lower waypoint height

if i want custom departure

[reef isle]

What do you mean by "waypoint height"?

[untold finch]

Taking in the sights and sounds of Costa Rica.

[echo gorge]

While undecided on flying circus decided to get my biplane fix in with the u-2

[untold finch]

That doesn't look like a Dragon Lady to me...

[rustic charm]

Is MSFS Premium Deluxe worth it?

Or even better to phrase it, is it worth it if the main reason to buy is the 787

[lethal jasper]

I have Deluxe, haven't really touched the Dreamliner. only b/c I'm too scared (if thats a way to put it) of flying the damn thing
Might try one of those Japanese Domestic hauls with it now though.

[reef isle]

I'm not personally the biggest fan of the MSFS 787, but I seem to be in a minority, a lot of people seem to enjoy it

[untold finch]

Isn't the new SR-22T limited to premium deluxe? The old SR-22 was

the Citation Longitude is quite nice now after WT got their hands on it, the Dreamliner is also a lot better now that WT have "fixed" it and the Kuro/Horizon versions are out

[light night]

i need help

i cant shut off the concorde engines

nvn

figured it out

finally did full flight

[untold finch]

I've only done EGLL -> KIAD in mine but yeah it's a blast

[rustic charm]

Damn then I think I might want it

Yeah I guess not this sale

[reef isle]

Nice 😄

[light night]

does anyone know if theres a way to get rid of al gui for screenshots

in msfs*

[echo gorge]

in the exterior camera? there's an option in the difficulty settings iirc to remove it

I'd really suggest learning to use the drone cam though, you'll generally get better results there for exterior screenshots

[rustic cedar]

cruisin

[trim harbor]

based

[ocean trellis]

niceeee

persian golf is such a banger map ngl

[rustic cedar]

is that where i am? ngl, only just got into DCS

saw the f-16 on sale and just thought fuck it

[ocean trellis]

you are probably playing on caucasus

persian golf is dlc map

[rustic cedar]

yee did briefly look at those dlc maps but damn, prices

[ocean trellis]

you missed the sale by couple of hours

persian golf was like 20€ only

[rustic cedar]

naa i was looking at them when they were on sale, just felt pricey after sinking the Ps on the F-16

[ocean trellis]

tbh

the 40€ or more you spent are worth it

you gonna fly that plane till you know the ins and outs of it

[rustic cedar]

hell yee

recognising a lot from my BMS days too which definitely helps

already nearly completely binned it into the ground
https://streamable.com/j2hdxw

[untold finch]

Cirrus-ing across SE Texas.