#10 Days - Changes

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tender plover
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Appa Yip Yip!!

Can you believe we are Ten days away from the live action? We have received so much content in the last week, including interviews! Lets talk about the adjustments they have discussed.

1. Sokkas Sexism

🗣️🔉 "We took out the element of how sexist [Sokka] was. I feel like there were a lot of moments in the original show that were iffy,"
Via: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/netflixs-avatar-the-last-airbender-sokka-sexism-toned-down-1235890569/

• Why is his mindset in the show important to his character arc?
• Will toning it down take away a major aspect of his character?
• Do you think this is an improvement, why?

2. Kataras nurturing role

🗣️🔉“There are certain roles I think that Katara did in the cartoon that we didn’t necessarily also do here. I mean, I don’t want to really get into a lot of that, but some gender issues that didn’t quite translate from the cartoon.”

•Why do you think it couldn’t translate to real life?
•Katara is often labeled as the “mother” of the Gaang, if we remove this aspect of her character - how much should we expect to change?
•Will this have any effect on her interaction with Pakku?

3. Aangs detours and adventures

🗣️🔉 Aang will not go on many detours looking for adventures like riding the elephant koi. “We essentially give him this vision of what's going to happen & he says, ‘I have to get to the Northern Water Tribe to stop this from happening.’”

•A big part of Aangs arc is just wanting to be a kid, will removing these adventures have a impact on the story as a whole?
•They met Suki because Aang wanted to ride the elephant koi, how will she be introduced?

Variety
Zack Sharf
Netflix’s Live-Action ‘Avatar’ Series ‘Took Out How Sexist’ Sokka W...

The cast of Netflix's live-action "Avatar: The Last Airbender" adaptation say Sokka will not be as sexist in the series.

nova pier
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The first two changes are somewhat related and I wonder how much the difference with the OG show will be. On the one hand I get it: Sokka is really sexist at the start and Katara really is a mother figure. That aren't really likeable traits of both characters and certainly for Katara stereotypical.

On the other hand, starting with a flawed character is a great way of building your story, because you give so much room for your characters to grow and develop. So yeah hopefully there will still be something of both things there. So Sokka and Katara will experience the same growth as in the original show.

Not having many detours is logical for this show, because I doubt it will have the full lenght of the original show, while on the other hand trying to introduce new storybeats. For that I think, if we want the goofy stuff we can just watch ATLA itself ☺️

rose isle
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Just curious, has there been confirmation that the “Katara gender role” element is her mother role/nurturing side? I see why people jump to that, but is that the case?

untold yoke
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it will come out in february break 😮

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i know what im doing in february break now

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(if it comes onto stremio in time that is)

icy kelp
green crater
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if we have to tone down sokka's sexism, i would do it so its a bit more subtle, but its there

untold yoke
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soaka

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Sakko

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untold yoke
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soukuh

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sockuh

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Sokken

novel nimbus
icy kelp
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I don't think we have to worry about them changing the pronunciations of the characters names.

wooden stream
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I'm thinking Aang will get a vision from Kyoshi to come to the island

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If he's not going there for the Koi Fish

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maybe they'll mention Kyoshi being half air bender too

novel nimbus
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Sokka sexism...
Well, he is just a teenage boy, left all alone to try and find his way about adulthood and manhood, with so much responsibilities on his shoulders. So a few problems are to be expected honestly.
Without his comments, Katara wouldn't have waterbend by accident and discovered the Aang's iceberg. So it is important. And it's mainly resolved during the Kyoshi warriors episode. So very early on. But it shows us there's more to Sokka than his goofy and bad attitude with girls. He can learn and improve. He just has to understand that things are not how he thinks they are.
At the same time, his sexism was exagerated a bit in the cartoon. So toning it down will make it more realistic. It won't be shocking to see Sokka changes his mind after 2 encounters with the Kyoshi warriors and a little time to think. So, in that sens, it is an improvement for me and won't take away anything from him. He is a fun character, a good brother and will become a very good strategist.

As for Katara...
I hope they have toned down her "girl teenager having a crush". It was kinda awkward to watch her interact with Jet even during the cartoon for me.
If Katara is not the mother, there will be a lot of troubles. She is the one thinking about practical things, helping the others to stay positive. She cares for everyone and tries to help.
Well... The Northen Water Tribe is sexist, so no matter what is changed for her, she will still have issues with Pakku. Because he still won't be willing to teach her waterbending.

If it's done correctly, cutting some adventures out won't affect the story too much. They can show Aang wanting to be a kid in other ways.
If Suki is not introduced because Aang wants to ride an elephant koi, maybe it will be because of Avatar Kyoshi?

untold yoke
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frail mantle
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Mmm Netflix do the thing of butchering something

untold yoke
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cant wait for aang to be pronounced uhng again

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or better yet uung

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katara boutta turn into qatar 😭

green crater
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cosmic linden
# novel nimbus Sokka sexism... Well, he is just a teenage boy, left all alone to try and find h...

Sokka's sexism was pretty much the foundation for the growth in his and Katara's relationship as siblings. I don't think "toning it down" is a good idea for the live-action, it's just another way to include a certain ideology into this show. As much as sexism is a bad thing, we do know that Katara begins to understand why her brother treats her like that, and Sokka eventually learns (in the original show) that saying that stuff is wrong. Taking it out of the story is just sad and takes away from the complex story web of the entire Avatarverse

rose isle
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It really does depend on how they do it. Personally, I do think toning it down to a degree is a reasonable move. He can still have it, but how it’s presented could be more believable as well as his turnaround. (The “tone down” statements have gotten conflated with “removed”)

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Katara? If I were to target a change for get in terms of roles, I think my main focus would be alter her dynamic with Jet. It’s never been stated what they’re changing, but based on her bio on Netflix, I would guess her “mother of the group” Role would be at least mostly intact. But her interactions with Jet in his debut kinda sting with the annoying trope of “person gets crush/significant other, stops listening to those closest to them.” Throw in that he’s a rebel/bad boy-like..

deep finch
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sokkas sexism is important to his charachter arc, we need to see him see suki as a warrior and woman

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its just

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idk

terse prism
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Sokka’s sexism can easily be toned down in order to make sense of how he completely changes his entire mindset in a single conversation/fight. If his sexism just channels itself as “men are better warriors than women so let me show you how it’s done,” he can be easily humbled and realize that the Kyoshi warriors do have something to teach him. His original sexism was a bit of a caricature of what sexism looked like, so I think we will get a more grounded and earnest look at it in this show

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Katara is a very caring person and I feel like removing her “mother of the group” type tendencies would be a mistake. Hopefully, she was referring to something else.

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Aang physically can’t go on as many random side adventures in this show because we have 8 episodes and that is it. However, every single other interview has said that he is a goofy, fun loving kid, the trailers show shots of him not wanting the responsibility of being the avatar, and we still get quite a few side missions, so I’m not that worried

green crater
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i can't wait to see their interpretation tho

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lets hope we dont go dai li for this one

green crater
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Why does Netflix have to change these traits for these characters… that is one flaw of the show

frail mantle
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Writers did it's thing for fitting into "modern" audience. I'm sure the showcreator and the Netflix writers has dome disputes and they left because of it probably

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jade radish
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ATLA’s most acclaimed aspect is how well it portrays all of its character developments.
Netflix wants to change those character development arcs.
Why would you change the single most well done aspect of the show.

THATS the only issue I have. I have no problems with “less detours” or any of that. But changing character traits is just insane in a show that already did it “perfectly”

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green crater
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I can’t wait any longer!!

heady rapids
jade radish
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Or you end up with stuff like rings of power with the main character having no believable character development.

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In the case of something like Sokka and the Kiyoshi, it's not even like they need to worry about people thinking the message they're sending across is what Sokka initially believes, because the pay off is in the exact same episode.

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jade radish
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By softening the extremes, you severely weaken the message.

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jade radish
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So now instead of the Kiyoshi arc making kids UNDERSTAND that woman are warriors too, they simply are shown woman warriors. Not as impactful of a message/lesson.

Obviously yes, we don't know to what extent these changes even are yet. But it's just weird to want to change the impact of the lessons taught through character development in a show that did it about as perfectly as one could hope for

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It's not like I think there shouldn't be changes, all adaptations need changes for multitudes of reasons. It's just worrisome to see something like "we made Sokka less sexist" because it kind of makes you think they missed the point.

novel nimbus
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I think we should wait and see how it's done.
Sokka is more than that. And he is not really a sexist neither. He is just a boy trying to figure out what being a man means. While having no male adults around him because of the war. I would say he is misguided, but he really isn't guided at all here.

jade radish
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So "less" than barely at all, seems odd when the very little that "was" was always immediately used to teach a clear lesson.

novel nimbus
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That's... a feeling. It's subjective at one point.
I don't know what exactly he says in English because I haven't watched it in English yet.

rose isle
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In terms of Sokka in the show “not being that sexist,” I mean…he pretty much outright says that girls are just better at house stuff and putting down the Kyoshi warriors just because they’re women. It’s exaggerated in that it’s in your face, and his 180 on that is super quick.

We don’t know how the kyoshi warrior bit is gonna play out still. It does it in a way for younger audiences to get it. Toning his attitude down to maybe not be as exaggerated of statements, could make the turnaround feel more believable.

jade radish
rose isle
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🤷🏻‍♂️ i enjoyed it

jade radish
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I didn't even have it either, it's rare for me to hate something. (I didn't even hate [redacted]) But it objectively wasn't good.

rose isle
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“Objectively” is a strong statement, that probably would require some level of standard to point to. But I digress

jade radish
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Well just like one could watch [redacted] and not hate, while still acknowledging that it was objectively not a good movie.

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But yeah I enjoyed that video specifically because it does not approach it from "why this is bad" but rather "I enjoyed it but here's what they did poorly"

queen vector
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5 more days

terse prism
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Let’s gooooo

green crater
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My body is ready

cosmic linden
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terse prism
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green crater
sour jacinth
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THREE MORE SLEEPS

green crater
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YES!!

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raw heart
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so its avatar without the main characters. cool.

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if they cant get the main characters right, then wtf are they doing

terse prism
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what are you babbling about? 😂

cosmic linden
novel nimbus
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queen vector
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2 more days

green crater
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YIP YIP

raw heart
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Do you have a link or something?

raw heart
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like they made her less bossy and motherly

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raw heart
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raw heart
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novel nimbus
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I'm going to be busy but I can give you the link within the server later on if you wish

raw heart
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raw heart
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why do you talk like that

novel nimbus
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Ok, I'm out of this

raw heart
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lmao

novel nimbus
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I'm not a native

raw heart
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you talk like an AI

onyx flume
novel nimbus
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I was giving you an out

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rose isle
# raw heart they're making sokka not sexist, and took katara's nurturing character away

The articles in question state they “toned down how sexist Sokka is” (Can be read as “removed,” sure, but can also be “less overt”) and “some issues with gender roles” for Katara. Nothing ever explicitly stated her motherly aspect, people just jumped on that. It could also be moments like her interactions with Jet, the “teen girl falls for rebellious boy and proceeds to ignore her brother over someone she just met because he’s cute”