dedicated-servers

[blazing willow]

hello, it working with the wold

thank you

[quick mist]

you're.. welcome? (:

[blazing willow]

i must have take te Folder name as the session name

then it have worked

[quick mist]

glad you're in business

[slim spoke]

congrats

[unreal cave]

Is it normal for the dedicated server to use an insane amount of processing power for each player that joins?
Notice an increase in 30~35% usage for every person that joins

Which means 3 players cap it at 100%

[slim spoke]

wow

[quick mist]

that does seem excessive. Are you talking a spike or a constant load?

[unreal cave]

Constant load

[slim spoke]

what hardware is the server on

[quick mist]

yeah that doesn't track with the performance I see on my server

are these three people in highly distant sections of the map from each other?

[unreal cave]

It's on an Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v4, running on 3GHz boost clock

Close proximity most of the time

Running in an KVM container on proxmox

[lofty latch]

@quick mist https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Dedicated_servers

[grand geode]

@unreal cave Seems to pin it to 100% for me the moment anyone connects on an empty world

seems more like a while(1) { DoGameLoop(); }

[quick mist]

@lofty latch - looks good, but I would either add an "Operating System" specifying a currently-supported Windows or Linux distribution or leave the comment about post-EOL OSs not being supported after the table.

[lofty latch]

thats what I put?

"Any currently supported version"

[quick mist]

ah, sorry, glazed right over that.

looks like a winner

[lofty latch]

then that can almost entirely replace the Requirements section

[unreal cave]

Well, everything is running quite smooth. Even with the CPU capped to 100%, just a bit of strange behaviour with factories stopping for ~2 seconds every once in a while

But that issue also happens singleplayer

[grand geode]

Yeah it does until things scale up. We basically totally killed ours last night..... in the late game

[unreal cave]

Yea, the late game map I uploaded to stress test the server just caused desyncs/kicks

Especially when riding trains

So we just started a new map

[quick mist]

so successful stress test I guess, eh?

[unreal cave]

Sort of xD

[quick mist]

"server stressed successfully. Tick that box, boys!"

[grand geode]

Yeah same here. We started a new world on release day. Then played it kinda "hard" since then until last night almost constant presence on it

[quick mist]

fun fact: at another job I was monitoring a cache server that would routinely hit a system load of over 900 (on a 16-core system) that ran just fine under those conditions somehow.

[grand geode]

by the end there were some factories you basically can't go near and then it quickly got to the point where people could not build pipes, belts, power connections reliably

[unreal cave]

Yea, load does not equal actual system usage :p

[quick mist]

still, with 900+ processes waiting in line for a slice of a CPU, it was fascinating to behold.

[grand geode]

Loads is really number of tasks in the run queue + number of tasks in the D state * 1.5 or something

[quick mist]

I am aware.

[unreal cave]

That for sure, the context switching must have been insane

[quick mist]

anywho, current work crisis averted, now to try to get a wee bit more sleep before the normal workday starts. See y'all later.

[unreal cave]

o7

[grand geode]

normal work day started an hour ago 😛

[tropic stump]

Hello, I have a problem with the dedicated server. The EOS service does not start.

[slim spoke]

it is .. end of the thing is ur eos

try some more

it can take a couple connects

[tropic stump]

i tried reinstalling server and service EOS

[warped valve]

It isn't a network / port issue?

[tropic stump]

ports are open, the service EOS does not start when the server starts

[unreal cave]

How much memory does the server have and do you have a specific error from the logs?

[tropic stump]

64GB

on my pc the server starts up and works 16gb, on the remote server it does not want 64gb ryzen 3900x

[slim spoke]

try this ... 7777 set forward to a small range like 7777-7780

[unreal cave]

Is it a linux server of windows?

[slim spoke]

server actually uses a range incase the port fails for that one

7777-7827 but u dont usually need that many

[slim spoke]

dont know russian sorry

i do know the server though

[unreal cave]

The server itself uses no services if I remember correctly

[tropic stump]

it says that the service is stopped, it is active on my pc and the server is running

[slim spoke]

and ur image b4 showed u were using eos in the connection cause it filled in the id .. if it failed like u thought that would be blank at the bottom of the connection error

[tropic stump]

yes

[slim spoke]

just go back and look at what im saying

[unreal cave]

Can you open an powershell window as administrator and see if it actually binds to the correct ports? netstat is the commando you can use for that

Or netstat -ab

[slim spoke]

do you have ipv6?

not monitoring those adapters can help

[tiny wave]

Is it a common problem to have sections of your belt empty when it's supposed to be full of moving items when playing on a dedicated server?

[slim spoke]

where are the udp ports?

server doesnt use tcp

[unreal cave]

Yes, the belt is full but not visually

[tropic stump]

ipv6 disabled

[tiny wave]

thank you sir, you are a scholar and a gentleman

[tropic stump]

udp ports opened in Firewall

[slim spoke]

the ports you setup for dedi server are all udp type

[unreal cave]

tips fedora

[slim spoke]

whre is the server and the udp ports then

[unreal cave]

netstat -ul

[slim spoke]

cant read teh pick to good

[unreal cave]

That should list em

[slim spoke]

he has the beacon working at min

cause it did eos

could be needs more then 7777

thats a common port/range for gaming

[unreal cave]

@tropic stump Can you show the output of netstat -ul?

[unreal cave]

I hate windows -_-

[slim spoke]

lol

are you playing on the same comp as the server?

[tropic stump]

remote Desktop

[slim spoke]

ok so ur using lan ip to play?

[tropic stump]

trying to open more ports

[lofty latch]

on windows it's netstat -anp UDP | find "15777"

[tropic stump]

no

[lofty latch]

where 15777 is the port you want to check

[unreal cave]

netstat -a -p UDP is the correct command :p

[tropic stump]

Invalid parameter format

[lofty latch]

in cmd prompt rather than powershell for my command

[unreal cave]

A, now we know the listening ports are correct atleast

[slim spoke]

cmd = windows please pretend to be useful

[lofty latch]

in powershell the correct thing is get-nettcpconnection | where {($_.State -eq "Listen") -and ($_.LocalPort -eq 15777)}

[slim spoke]

try expanding 7777 like i was saying

i think ur just not getting port to join

when u mp before dedi it used a range

so i would bet thats the issue

[slim spoke]

forward 7777-7780 instead of 1 port

[lofty latch]

you only need 7777, 15000 and 15777 - no other ports are required

[slim spoke]

not true

[lofty latch]

very true or half my stuff wouldn't be working and all my users would be complaining xD

[slim spoke]

if it fails to get 7777 it goes up 1 til 7827

[lofty latch]

that means you should be clearing what's on that port number then

the fact that it auto-increments is one of the worst things about the server, it makes its behaviour unpredictable

[slim spoke]

#multiplayer-troubleshooting

[spare moth]

also remember to restart server after applying changes

[slim spoke]

go read there

[lofty latch]

apps mostly crash out if their ports are in use

[slim spoke]

thats what they used for teh code for server

literally range is right answer

[lofty latch]

unless you've got conflicting ports then you don't need the range - the range is a crutch to avoid having to check what's going on

[slim spoke]

his isnt working

hence try this i think it will help fix it

i honstly think it will cause he has game ports in that list and such

[lofty latch]

it won't - if his netstat is showing it's listening on 7777, 15000 and 15777 then the issue is either that he has no firewall rules on the machine itself allowing the ports, or the port forwarding is incorrect

[slim spoke]

i just didnt look at the server ports

and its been used many times by people to fix this problem

[lofty latch]

Calling Dr Kruger...

[slim spoke]

its one of the things it could be

[lofty latch]

that's not how networking works 🤦‍♂️

Check the listening ports, then check the local firewall

[slim spoke]

tell the devs they got their stuff wrong hten

they wrote the multiplayer troubleshooting

not me

u know why it says use this range in port forwarding?

[lofty latch]

The devs are giving overly broad and generalised instructions - but if he hasn't sorted out his firewall then you're not solving things by opening more ports.

[slim spoke]

cause if it fails for some reason it increments automatically

thats how the server works

so adding 1 port might fix it maybe 2

depends what all else runs on the server

[lofty latch]

Yes, so logic dictates that you determine if that's what's happening - not a random stab in the dark opening more and more ports until it works 🤦‍♂️

Check the listening ports, then check the firewall, then check the routing

[slim spoke]

do u have the list of software and ports to show?

back off im tryin to actually help the guy play on his server

[lofty latch]

Then have him check the local firewall before making his router more full of port holes than swiss cheese.

[tropic stump]

forwarded ports, still does not work

[slim spoke]

mike i know what im saying

[lofty latch]

have you opened them in the local firewall as above? ^

[slim spoke]

u can troll whoever leave me alone

[lofty latch]

@tropic stump make sure you open the ports on the machine itself too as above using the local firewall - you need to do this as well as port forwarding.

[tropic stump]

I opened ports both on the machine itself and on the router

-multihome=192.168.1.4 added a launch parameter to the desired network. did not help

[foggy agate]

might wanna check with a port scanner like nmap or an online version of that, that the ports are really open to the outside

[lofty latch]

Can you show us a screenshot of the local firewall rules on the machine?

[foggy agate]

also if your ISP uses DSLite or Dualstack the connection won't work properly.

[lofty latch]

or if they use CGNAT

[tropic stump]

I dont know

[lofty latch]

who is your ISP?

[tropic stump]

fryazino.net

[lofty latch]

doesn't look like they use CGNAT so you're fine there

[tropic stump]

our servers were running ARK Astroneer conan...

[lofty latch]

wait...

[slender idol]

I can see they've got a heap of other servers on there. Could pay to set port query and beacon via commandline to get it outta the way

[lofty latch]

you've got rules that are for both the binary and the port

remove the executable part

it should be rules just for the ports, not the programs

[covert shore]

i buy a satisfactory server on Nitrado.net but i don't know how to connect

can u help me pls ?

[slender idol]

You'd have to ask them

[lofty latch]

you need the experimental version, and you enter your servers IP/port into the server manager

[slender idol]

They should have instructions or ports etc.

[slim spoke]

server manager put ip/addy

[covert shore]

yea

but it doesn't work XD

[slim spoke]

get the ip

[covert shore]

its that ?

[lofty latch]

yup

[slender idol]

You've turned the server on yeah?

[covert shore]

sure

[slender idol]

If its on, thats what they've given you, and you cant connect, that'd be a ticket to their support team

[lofty latch]

Show us what you're entering into Satisfactory

[covert shore]

ah

ok wait

[lofty latch]

looks okay, so yeah if it's not working contact the host

[covert shore]

okok dam 😦

[slim spoke]

make sure defender isnt asking if it can use the network

[covert shore]

no zero notif

[quick mist]

PowerShell cmdlet to show open UDP ports, by the way would be Get-NetUDPEndpoint, not Get-NetTCPEndpoint

[strange fulcrum]

Do people have any recommendations for good dedicated server hosting services?

[quick mist]

I like linode

[lofty latch]

rent a VPS/dedi and set it up yourself 🙂

[unreal cave]

If you want real hardware go for Hetzner

VPS, then Linode or Digitalocean

[strange fulcrum]

any tutorials on how to use these as im not very tech literate

[lofty latch]

The wiki has a full tutorial

[quick mist]

hundreds, if not thousands

[lofty latch]

there's also automated solutions available if you don't like the look of doing it manually

[crystal eagle]

Guys anybody know where the server config file is in, mainly to control passwords etc?

[quick mist]

the config file location is in the Wiki

Passwords are not stored in plaintext form

[lofty latch]

The passwords aren't stored in any user editable file unfortunately

[crystal eagle]

Ah thanks

[strange fulcrum]

any good ones

[unreal cave]

In that case I would recommend renting a server from a gameserver hoster

[foggy agate]

Guys please stop advertising any services

#dedicated-servers message

[lofty latch]

I shouldn't personally answer that because I have a commercial interest - but there are some listed on the wiki

[foggy agate]

you can also look for the pinned messages.

[lofty latch]

Recommendations != Advertisements

if someone asks for a recommendation then replying with suggestions that they can look at is not an advert

[unreal cave]

Exactly ^^

We are not throwing around referral links :p

[lofty latch]

exactly

[foggy agate]

I would disagree with that. Any brandname is an advertisment.

[lofty latch]

I strongly disagree, that means that nobody can ever ask for any recommendations ever and get a reply

Advertisements are a call to action that was unprompted

[foggy agate]

yes, this the official discord for satisfactory, not for renting servers.

[lofty latch]

If someone asks me "Hey, what car should I buy?" then it's not an advertisement if I say "Well I personally like Tesla" - that's just a personal opinion, not an advert

[unreal cave]

We can also just ping the mod for an definitive answer on what is and isn't allowed :p

Instead of arguing about it :p

[rough turret]

Localhost is the best host imo.

[lofty latch]

and this is the discord channel for dedicated servers, so people may well want recommendations about how to go about getting one

otherwise the only answer people will get is an unhelpful "Check the wiki" and "Google it" which is hostile

[rough turret]

What's wrong with explaining what you like?

[lofty latch]

People are allergic to businesses making money 😂

[rough turret]

🤷‍♂️

[lofty latch]

apparently everyone is supposed to have a rig on-site that they got free as retired equipment from a local business and learn how to maintain it and never pay anyone for anything that runs on it

[sturdy pendant]

not a tesla if there going to moan about the electric 😆

[lofty latch]

Only daffy people moan about that though xD

[spare moth]

I thought this was to help people with get their dedis running but then again Im here just to learn things

[lofty latch]

but that's very OT

[rough turret]

I can use Azure VM's at work.

[strange fulcrum]

ok i'll look for a sever myself. do you have any recommendations on sever specs for running satisfactory?

[unreal cave]

Wouldn't recommend using them for personal projects though :p

[lofty latch]

Modern CPU with decent single-thread performance, 6-8GB RAM, 10GB+ spare storage

[rough turret]

Why not?

[lofty latch]

they're very expensive for personal use

[rough turret]

😅

[unreal cave]

What mike says :p

[rough turret]

I have a 130/m MPN subsc

Which can host it

[lofty latch]

that's a point, I have a MSDN subscription but I don't use any of the Azure stuff

I wonder what I can use for free

[rough turret]

Depends

We have the VS studio Enterprise subs

which include 130 euro azure credit each month

[lofty latch]

I'm only using Pro for now, not sure how many credits that includes

it's $50 USD on mine

[rough turret]

50

I

I have the one on the right

[unreal cave]

I just have some dedicated servers laying around :p
Don't really use any cloud for personal use, costs go up to quickly

[lofty latch]

ah so that 50 USD gets translated into 40 GBP/mo

[rough turret]

Yes

Azure VM's are rocksolid in terms of network speed and uptime

[unreal cave]

Only the disks are extremely slow if you get <2TB

[lofty latch]

lol £40/mo for 1 CPU core, 3.5GB RAM

what the actual

[rough turret]

there's a 7$ vm

[foggy agate]

is that still on topic? I think talking about azure server should be in #off-topic-general

[lofty latch]

or #off-topic-tech - but yes @rough turret lets move there

[orchid lodge]

hey im looking for a good cheap server host for satisfactory pls could somone send some links

[rough turret]

Oh no

[foggy agate]

just google VPS and your country, you will find one. 🙂

[rough turret]

Try localhost

[foggy agate]

take a look at the pinned messages, and you will understand, why we won't recommend anything.

[lapis isle]

probably go to reddit and ask or google

[orchid lodge]

ok thx

[lapis isle]

in discord no advertisement

[orchid lodge]

its not its recommendations as i asked a question

[foggy agate]

we can recommend you, to use google and use a hoster in a datacenter thats close to your city. 🙂

[orchid lodge]

thx

[lapis isle]

well to protect ourselfs we can only say to go to google and search for either a vps or game host or go to reddit from what i know they don't have this rule there

@foggy agate does the satisfactory reddit allow to answer with recommendations like that host is good or is it also not allowed like here

[foggy agate]

yes there you can ask 🙂

[slim spoke]

no advertising rule is cause people come and camp the chat

[lapis isle]

i am gonna make a post including all the services

[slim spoke]

so i agree with google

[lapis isle]

in reddit

[foggy agate]

we could also think about putting a post on the wiki.

[slim spoke]

like someone pretty much put their amp service on the wiki to show it .. wasnt cool thing to do either

[lapis isle]

we can?

[slim spoke]

once servers are more stable the devs might look at some of the big ones and comment about them .. they said long ago they had talked to some about working together to make sure people would get good servers

[foggy agate]

oh yeah I remember Snutt talking about that

[slim spoke]

like nitrado or sumthing was mentioned

[meager summit]

didnt they say they probably werent gonna do partnerships?

[slim spoke]

not true partnership

[meager summit]

i thought the idea was just to get the tools out there and let people use em

[slim spoke]

cause server is free for all

but like they would recommend some services

possibly at some point

[meager summit]

since bogdan is offline/away, maybe hes gone dark like he said to get working extra hard on fixes ;p

[slim spoke]

ya thats exciting hehe

he doesnt seem to screw around much lol

[unreal cave]

@meager summit What is the pioneers role?

[grand geode]

i suspect a patch coming soon then 😛

[unreal cave]

Or trusted for that matter, don't see any explanation about the roles :p

[meager summit]

Its given to people who have been active/shown to be a positive member of the community

[slim spoke]

if ur pun offends joshie ur elegible for ban lol

[meager summit]

Trusted is given to professional pun makers only

[slim spoke]

thats his super power

[unreal cave]

Noice xD

[sturdy pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-futurama-scruffy-gif-20750885

[meager summit]

unlimited power

no embeds for you (:<

[lapis isle]

anyone have a save file of satisfactory that has a lot of things build into it?

i want to see how much ram it can use

[slim spoke]

get kibitz old save file and run it then save and close then run it again .. if its the big old 320mb or whatever it was .. so it compacts the save to the newer system that came after he shared the one save

then u can take in scim and blueprint chunks of it

fill storages and such

[lapis isle]

ok

[karmic echo]

how do i turn off the autosave?

[lapis isle]

so first upgrade the old save game file to new by running in pc then upload to server

[sturdy pendant]

in the game settings 🙂

[karmic echo]

but it doesn't exist on the server or I'm blind

[slim spoke]

not option yet i do believe

i cant reach game comp to see what big saves i have lol

[karmic echo]

F

[sturdy pendant]

if it is in server i don't know, i have have yet to set one up but i do know it is here,

[lapis isle]

where can i get it

i can't find it on his videos

[slim spoke]

i found it there b4

im lookin to see if i can find it still on this comp

[orchid lodge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/ql21xk/server_hosts_for_satisfactory/

please answer and help me

[slim spoke]

lol

search for game server hosts

or hosting services

[lofty latch]

Maybe we should have a wiki page where there is a list of hosts offering Satisfactory hosting - and that shall be the only place they can be referenced - shown strictly in Alphabetical order? With a strict length limit on the description, and some requirement on them being identifiable?

Must be a registered company, etc

[slim spoke]

to much work when u can use search on the net

[lofty latch]

actually it wouldn't help - the whole problem is that people want recommendations

which we can't give

[lapis isle]

we can make a reddit post with all the services

[slim spoke]

some of us can

[lapis isle]

then use it

[karmic echo]

Yes there is the setting but it is missing when you are connected to the server

[slim spoke]

cause we arent selling the services

so just drop it already

[karmic echo]

But thanks

[sturdy pendant]

oh really haha no worries at all,

[slim spoke]

if you want to advertise then you should talk to moderators or community managers about it all

they can decide hey a wiki page list works

wiki just doesnt put css in a spot by linking random stuff

[lofty latch]

on /r/admincraft what they do is have a once-per-month 'you can advertise here' thread

where it's all free game, but the rest of the time they take a dim view of it

[slim spoke]

talk to them about it

its their rule about no advertising not ours

[foggy agate]

Also they might wanna partner with a company or thing like this and then we post here recommendations to another service.

[slim spoke]

ur literally barking up the wrong tree

[lofty latch]

I don't personally care since I'm not a host, but it strikes me that users asking for recommendations is going to be an ongoing problem

turning them away every time with "lol figure it out" isn't great really

[slim spoke]

u do though u stated u have interest in this

i was here and read it like the others did

[lofty latch]

I make server management software, so I can't recommend hosts either lest I be seen to give favour to my own Enterprise customers.

[slim spoke]

so u should take up with them about posting ads on wiki page or something

[karmic echo]

it is set to 15 minutes and nothing can be done during this time because everything is reset again

[lofty latch]

My company doesn't sell servers so it's purely an impartiality issue

[slim spoke]

u dont get the point though

[foggy agate]

hm but if we recommend something and they arn't happy, who would they throw the anger against? "I learned about HOSTER on the official Satisfactory Discord and the latency is so shitty" 😄

[slim spoke]

ur just talking into the wind if u dont talk to them

[lofty latch]

A list isn't a recommendation, but yes I understand that people will interpret it the wrong way - kids especially

[foggy agate]

kids shouldn't host a service anyways, in my opinion.

[slim spoke]

its about advertising services .. the cm's talked about css possibly doing that later when things are done and they work with them to know who they trust to say is ok to recommend like a list would

not tryin to beat ya or nothing but its that easy

[lofty latch]

no I know it's not, yes there are all kinds of issues surrounding it

[slim spoke]

i really think would be worth the chat actually so its not like im even discouraging

[lofty latch]

unrelated, the other thing /r/admincraft has is a 'server saturday' where people can freely list their server for others to join

which would be good

[slim spoke]

so many ask that having list of community trusted server hosts might be good

[lofty latch]

the Valheim discord server (also Coffee Stain) has a 'self promotion' channel on Discord for this very reason

so its problems they've solved before

[slim spoke]

ya but thats a publishing company not 2 programmers doing cm

[foggy agate]

its not a "problem" to be solved. The Mods and the Devs decided this for their Discord and thats fine. BTW this is #off-topic-general

[slim spoke]

i found kibitz save if someone still wants it

[crude tapir]

Sure a lot of wannabe mods, this Reddit?

[lofty latch]

wiki editors are the king of their castle xD

[slim spoke]

well there has to be some kind of set of rules for whats good .. cause someone was saying get a server with single thread performance... but the dedis are only 1 thread cause its a bug thats being fixed

[rough turret]

I keep saying it: Localhost

[slim spoke]

what ?

[vocal jungle]

I need to make one of those diagrams that uses circles

[reef lily]

i cant figure out why my server cant be seen outside my own network. windows defender is turned completely off. ports are forwarded under udp. server IS RUNNING, i can join using the servers local ip on my local network, but i cant join using my external ip or get anyone else to. does anyone have a clue?

[slim spoke]

did u forward ur ports or the ports on hte servers end

[reef lily]

i assigned the ports thru batch file since my 15777 was preoccupied. that got the server to launch. then went into my router itself to forward the corresponding ports

[slim spoke]

ok so u got 3 ports udp forwarded on router to srver comp

[reef lily]

yup

[vocal jungle]

did you forward the port to your IP or the servers IP

[slim spoke]

do u have ipv6 or did u try using range instead of 7777 the port settings in #multiplayer-troubleshooting

[reef lily]

i have not attempted range yet

[slim spoke]

k i would open a few like 5 to see

[reef lily]

i forwarded the ports tied to the server specifically

[slim spoke]

if ur not big into games an dservers then u dont need lots

[reef lily]

huge into games

havent done servers before

[slim spoke]

ok make it wider

it just goes to next port if it fails on 7777

trying to get a working port

[vocal jungle]

assumeing this is windows Colossal

[reef lily]

yeah

[vocal jungle]

what has 15777 preocupied ?

[slim spoke]

do u have multiple internet adapters on the server computer

[reef lily]

no idea

no

[slim spoke]

ya that is good ? to

try the range and restart server ... as we think if u havent

[vocal jungle]

you could run in netstat -a -b Administrator cmd

[reef lily]

range did not work

[vocal jungle]

or run resmon.exe under network you will see listening ports

[slim spoke]

its kind of just listing what could possibly be wrong lol

[reef lily]

those 3 ports are listening, allowed and unrestricted by the firewall.

[slim spoke]

and the router is all setup to

[reef lily]

but they do say ipv4 unspecified which sounds wierd but i dont quite understand

ipv4 is the server

[slim spoke]

u could pass -multihome=<adapter ip>, then it will only bind to that address instead of 0.0.0.0.

give it the lan ip

[reef lily]

on the router side?

[slim spoke]

u add to cmd for server

if u dont tell it then it binds 0.0.0.0

[reef lily]

wait so i have to specifically bind the ip in the cmd for the server or it defaults to 0.0.0.0? which ip do i put in the brackets, local server ip, or external public ip?

[slim spoke]

no i said u can

sanctum — Today at 9:01 AM
u could pass

no idea what ur looking at thts unspecified but its to do with ip could just help to tell it what adapter to use

plus no idea about ur setup or hw

could be anything that isnt just right stopping net

also the next line i said give it this ip lol

[reef lily]

so that would force the server to bind under the lan ip, but does that somehow make it visible from ouside the lan?

[slim spoke]

if u did the rest right yes

it has to use the right ipv4 addy

[reef lily]

and clients will have to use the lan ip to find it?

[slim spoke]

it cant try ipv6 or nothing funky

so u limited traffic there if it wont work then its blocked to that ip somehow

either on comp or router

router is fast cause its the port forwards

all udp .. range for teh one is better to test with. and double check its going to right lan ip for server

sometimes we make a mistake it happens

double check defender and such stuff on comp

[reef lily]

if i bind it to the lan ip do clients search for the lan ip or the external public ip to find the game?

[slim spoke]

u could shutdown server..check ports on the server then check running

see if ports are staying open without server

[outer kraken]

Hi guys, I got the server up and running, but I'm running into a slight problem. I have moved the savegame like the wiki asked me to do, but now when I'm trying to input Session Name in the server settings, the field keeps erasing itself, so I cant search for that session name

[slim spoke]

maybe one needs to be changed 15777 can be changed and a few had to

oln the net they use net ip

on lan use lan ip

[reef lily]

already changed it since my 15777 was preoccupied

[slim spoke]

all u do was tell the server what adapter its using

feel like im repeating stuff

[reef lily]

this was a repeat lol

[slim spoke]

did u kill server check ports

anything overlap still

this is taking way to long

lol

[reef lily]

i dont know what that is. honestly im a tech guy, i work for the geek squad, but networking isnt my thing so i can comprehend a lot of this, i just may not know what i need yet.

[slim spoke]

hahahaha geek squad

[vocal jungle]

that doesnt sound correct

[slim spoke]

talks a great circle though

[reef lily]

i mean im just trying to get my server going. you dont have to be rude

[slim spoke]

doesnt geek squad troubleshoot things?

its a simple game server setup lol ..sorry but thats why i laughed about it to start

1 setting in something like pfsense could stop it .. so its hard to guess every option

[vocal jungle]

ColossalCubes your taking our frustration as rudeness it not that it the fact that the things we are saying helped 995 of people and the wiki works 95% of the time except in your use case

[reef lily]

which is why im trying ot enlist help

[outer kraken]

Anybody have any idea why my "Session Name" field under Server Settings would erase itself? I cant search for the session name and therefore cant search for the save file

[reef lily]

duh

[slim spoke]

gotta do some troubleshooting too

or we are just guessing at all the things

im running out of things it should be

[reef lily]

iv tried all the troubleshooting i can find

[vocal jungle]

send me a SS of your port forwarding rules

[slim spoke]

i would guess its likely not hte setup but some software

or u have some mistake like a typo

and like we would u miss it for a while

[vocal jungle]

do you have a mic ?

[slim spoke]

could always try something like shutoff the firewall on server comp see if its blocking it

or temp dmz the lan ip for a min to see if it shows up .. that tells u comp or router

[balmy glacier]

You get it working?

[vocal jungle]

Ok ColossalCubes has been fixed and we got him figured out

[balmy glacier]

server or port forwarding ?

[vocal jungle]

your not searhing for a session name you are setting a session name

hes was a combo of both, so we went back to default ports and bam it worked

[slim spoke]

thats good have fun colossal

[vocal jungle]

also protip incoming before you decide on a port number to use in place of a default port make sure its not a Reserved port for a differnt protocal

[vocal jungle]

you get it worked out ?

[zealous epoch]

Hi guys, are we able yet to mod our dedicated server ? Like for mini dispenser

[vocal jungle]

not at the moment, i think

[outer kraken]

@balmy glacier @vocal jungle I got it working. For some WEIRD reason, either when the checkmark for "Keep server running" or when there's a user password set, the field just keeps emptying itself and you can't put in a session name so that it searches for the savefile.

[slim spoke]

no mods

type the pass .. copy and then go and paste and hit enter fast

[vocal jungle]

or just create game once then from in game load any save you want that in the server folder

[balmy glacier]

Ya I saw you do that on stream and was blown away that more people did not know about it.

[trim hearth]

anyone had any luck running in ubuntu on AMD?

[vocal jungle]

means i can swap saves when ever i wnat

[foggy agate]

yes

[slim spoke]

depends on cpu

[vocal jungle]

without doing the session id crap

[slim spoke]

someone started a post on the qa site about cpus and which arent working and such

[trim hearth]

i have Opteron 6176, proxmox hypervisor and ubuntu CT

[foggy agate]

should be working fine. 🙂

its not too old

but might be a bit slow

for a decent experience 😄

[trim hearth]

eh, its running other game servers fine that are just as heavy

[slim spoke]

lol famous last words

[trim hearth]

multiarch is on, but it fails with error code 1

running it through LGSM

[slim spoke]

people say that about hte game and their super computers

[balmy glacier]

oh you got to change some settings

[vocal jungle]

thats not much slower then my Xeon X5675 with EXSI

[balmy glacier]

they have not updated the start parms

[trim hearth]

lol i run Empyrion servers and they don't tank and that game is FAR less optimized than SF

[trim hearth]

got a link to some docs or know which flags to check?

i have it running on one of my xeon servers with 0 issues...

currently 5 players going mental and its just fine

[trim hearth]

solid CPUs i have 3x servers with 5680s and they dont miss a beat

[balmy glacier]

/home/user/lgsm/config-lgsm/sfserver/sfserver.cfg
add this line
startparameters="FactoryGame -ServerQueryPort=${queryport} -BeaconPort=${beaconport} ?listen -Port=${port} -log -unattended"

they have not updated to use ~~ port instead of -gameport~~ (if you update they have changed this)
and have not added ?listen

you can check _default.cfg to see org

[rocky sentinel]

I have yet to need ?listen on any server I've run so far. I've tried it on Linux and Docker containers.

[vocal jungle]

i wanted to use the 5680 in my r710 but it has a gen 1 mainboard and you need a gen 2 for the x5680/5690

[trim hearth]

have you looked on ebay for a gen 2? usually they go dirt cheap compared to the whole unit

[trim hearth]

yeah i can literally migrate the CT that its in to a intel server and it works as it.

[trim hearth]

im going to assume replace the start up call with that? but unfortunately it did not work

[balmy glacier]

what error is it giving you, if any?

[trim hearth]

/home/user/lgsm/functions/command_debug.sh: line 120: 20724 Illegal instruction ./UE4Server- Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -ServerQueryPort={port} -BeaconPort={port} ?listen -Port={port} -log -unattended

[vocal jungle]

yea i looked but when i upgrade my home lab it will be gen 13 or newer

[trim hearth]

you in the states? server stuff is sooo cheap there - shame postage is so expensive to aus

[vocal jungle]

canada

[balmy glacier]

Rip on our shipping costs..

[vocal jungle]

indeed

[balmy glacier]

I've been waiting to cross the border for cheaper parts

[trim hearth]

mmm but id kill for you interwebs

[vocal jungle]

not so cheap after exchange rate

[balmy glacier]

But just to save on shipping, free shipping in USA or pay $130 shipping plus Canada post duty tax..

[vocal jungle]

true

[fossil sinew]

Use ebay GSP. You can get an entire PC shipped for $80 - $100 to aus

[glacial spade]

me and a friend are trying to set up a Server, but when we add the server in the manager tab it says this. firewall clearance and port forwarding should be activated. or is this bc something is wrong with the ports/firewall?

[balmy glacier]

Win or linux server ?
local or external?

[glacial spade]

win, local

[trim hearth]

did you open the ports on the firewall?

for in bound and outbound

[balmy glacier]

who local you or your friend?

[trim hearth]

START: FATAL: core_exit.sh exiting with code: 1 more /very useful/ error codes

[grand geode]

what error code you keep getting?

[trim hearth]

exit code 1 unable to start server

[glacial spade]

i did yeah

[grand geode]

you get illegal instruction?

[trim hearth]

yup

[grand geode]

from you error message above?

[glacial spade]

im hosting the server on my local pc

[grand geode]

You on linux?

Whats the CPU? (Hint: cat /proc/cpuinfo look in flags needs sse4).....

[trim hearth]

yep, ubuntu 21.04 running Opteron 6176 proxmox hypervisor, and using LGSM

[balmy glacier]

So you can't connect? what IP were you using?

[trim hearth]

only sse and sse2

[glacial spade]

he cant connect to my server, i gave him my puplic IPpv4 address. he found the server but its offline, even though im on it

[grand geode]

ok just buy a modern processor to resolve that 😉

[slim spoke]

lol

[trim hearth]

lol

[balmy glacier]

oh ok, so you have forwarded ports
15777 UDP
15000 UDP
7777 UDP
on you router pointing to your local IP

[grand geode]

this is what flasg look like for an i3...

wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single pti ssbd ibrs ibpb stibp tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm mpx rdseed adx smap clflushopt intel_pt xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_notify hwp_act_window hwp_epp md_clear flush_l1d

So if it doesn't have sse4 it can't execute the instructions hence you get "illegal instruction"

[lofty latch]

Some older Opteron chips and AMD Ax series chips can't run it either

[slim spoke]

check out the post on the qa about the cpus and which ones dont have support hehe maybe add to it and devs can dev where to set the line at

[trim hearth]

it supports it - ill have to check proxmox, might not have correct flags passed through

[quick mist]

might be good to coallate a list of known-problem CPUs and put that on the Wiki in the Requirements section as "oh and not one of these"

[trim hearth]

anything post 2006 should support it

[grand geode]

Opteron does not support it

[trim hearth]

link?

[quick mist]

easy way to determine of Proxmox is the issue: try running the service on a host rather than a container

[trim hearth]

Opteron 6100-series "Magny-Cours" (45 nm)
All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4a, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet, AMD-V (SVM & Rapid Virtualization Indexing), HT-Assist

[quick mist]

the wiki is in the pins, Yarbles, not sure about the QA site link with "bad" CPUs

[slim spoke]

someone started one about chip versions like a8 not running on linux or whatever

[grand geode]

Well its resonable easy cat /proc/cpuinfo and look for flags. Does it have sse4? no? it ain't going to work

[glacial spade]

yep

[slim spoke]

i have a bad memory thats why i say people should go look at it hehe

[trim hearth]

yeah i can choose which flags to pass through to a VM/CT with the hypervisor

[trim hearth]

you and me both haha

[grand geode]

yeah it might emulate them..... you might also be able to emulate them with qemu but if the call rate is high to them performance is going to suck

[slim spoke]

plus one of the devs is kind of watchin it

so could be good for some

[lofty latch]

I'm surprised it simply doesn't have a non-SIMD code path though

I think the Windows build does have such a thing

[trim hearth]

welp host supports SEE4a - so looks like the CT isnt getting the flag

[grand geode]

compilers don't work that way

[lofty latch]

no, it's a runtime thing

[slim spoke]

live stream

[lofty latch]

and compilers kinda do work that way - they will produce multiple code paths and pick the best one to use at runtime depending on what the hardware supports

[rose valley]

I haven't looked into this yet but there is a chance it could be a simple build issue. It might be solved but don't hold that against me.

[grand geode]

yeah but its not sse4 😉 sse4a is a different thing in fact theres like 3-4 versions. sse4_1 sse4_2 and sse4a one is AMD specific in the opteron .... which was made in like 2006 as you said the one you need were published about a year after the chip you were using was designed

[lofty latch]

Intel have been in trouble before for making their compiler produce applications that pick a non-optimal path on AMD systems even though they supported the instructions

[grand geode]

compilers don't work that way 😉

[slim spoke]

#dev-streams hehe

[lofty latch]

Work what way? I don't think you understand quite what I'm saying.

[grand geode]

Before you bite off more than you can chew here i have written in 3 separate assembly languages 😉

[lofty latch]

So few?

I've probably been coding longer than you've been alive xD

[grand geode]

I can basically tell you why its breaking in a 10,000 word paper from memory......

[quick mist]

can we please not start a "who has written more assembly on more archs than whom" contest and stay more on-topic? (:

[grand geode]

If its compiled with gcc (which it probably is) if its permitted to use though instructions you won't be substututing them dynamically at runtime unless you switch on a whole pile of funky options and the output from the compiler doesn't have these options because you basically need to compiler and ship multiple seperate versions with dynamic symbols for various function paths to change them at runtime....

[lofty latch]

I know exactly why it's breaking - my point being that compilers will generate multiple outputs for the same input code and at runtime detect what features the host processor supports and use the optimal path - if they aren't using a compiler that supports this or there's otherwise a non-SIMD path to do the same thing then yeah it's just going to bail out.

[grand geode]

and it wasn't compiled that way... i looked

[lofty latch]

right that's the whole point I've been making >_<

[grand geode]

Right so? compilers don't work that way

Cause last time i tried to use that feature in gcc it didn't work

the path / layouts of the output programs are also completly wrong for it

[lofty latch]

The fact that you personally couldn't get it to work doesn't mean it doesn't work - because Intel has literally been to court over this

[grand geode]

Thats a different case lol

also a different compier

[lofty latch]

no it's not? The point of the court case was that the runtime behaviour of their compilers output was picking a non-optimal code path on AMD systems

stop being a pedant >_<

[grand geode]

yeah so you have to back to the dev's and ask them to do that? But they already state you require process X or better. the opteron doesn't not meet the requirment either

[lofty latch]

https://github.com/simd-everywhere/simde - this library is also usable on GCC, if the CPU supports the instructions then it uses it - if it doesn't then an alternative path is used - single binary, optimal code path selection at runtime based on the runtime hardware.

[grand geode]

yes i know thats basically what i just explained above. But.... its not enabled in the binary so its not going to work

[lofty latch]

so what are we arguing about then?

compilers do work like that and it is a thing you can do - the fact that seemingly they haven't enabled this in the Linux builds but possibly have in the Windows one (or don't use SIMD instructions on Windows) were only ever presented as theories.

[grand geode]

Yeah check again against the outputs from the compiles and you will be able to tell their entire build enviroment doesn't support it

[lofty latch]

right, that was never a question

[grand geode]

mostly because of whats where and how its implemented in linux

[lofty latch]

we're getting off topic again tho

[quick mist]

Theydies and gentlethem, it doesn't matter why dynamic execution pathing isn't working on this software; it's not germane to this channel.

[trim hearth]

lol please never open a repair shop together ❤️

or do and film it haha

[quick mist]

or do, but televise it

[trim hearth]

snap!

[quick mist]

put the Teutels to shame

[grand geode]

Yup which is why at the start i simply said. Compiler don't work like that...... which is a much easier explanation to "normal folk"

[trim hearth]

ok so i didnt read through the flags far enough SSE4a is there

but that != sse4?

[quick mist]

I suddenly want to see John Taffer ripping someone a new orifice for using PAE on a 64-bit OS deployment or something.

[trim hearth]

lel

[grand geode]

As I said there 3 version and the opteron doesn't have the one you need

eg flags should have sse4_1 sse4_2

[trim hearth]

shakes fist in amd

[grand geode]

and probably all the avx ones as well

[trim hearth]

welp guess ill have to migrate that one to an intel machine

[quick mist]

I'm just mad at AMD for using the name 'Opteron' because that sounds like an Intel brand like "Celeron" and "Xeon"

[trim hearth]

this is a specifically linux issue? if i span up a windows VM (hello overheads) then its complied different right?

[grand geode]

no

[lofty latch]

yes it is

[lofty latch]

on the same hardware, you'll get Invalid Instruction on Linux, but not on Windows

[grand geode]

ok... why does dcs (digital combat simulator) suffer the same problem under windows?

[quick mist]

that's an entirely different software suite

[lofty latch]

it's not an OS issue, there's just some difference in how they're compiled

[trim hearth]

programmer had his tongue poking the other way

[quick mist]

they may be compiling with different options for the Windows build

[grand geode]

exactly....

[lofty latch]

either the Windows version of UE4Server doesn't have the same SIMD instructions, or it has a redundant non-SIMD code path, or Windows can transparently emulate certain missing instructions (I don't believe this is the case)

[grand geode]

If the chip doesn't have the instruction or doesn't understand the instruction its throws a processor exception. Stating that it cannot process it

its a hardware thing....

however if you have a compiler which doesn't include the instruction sets... then it also won't occur either

[trim hearth]

i suppose i could spin up an instance and test it....

[grand geode]

its also probably a different ocmpiler

heres the gcc compiler flags from the binaries

compiler: gcc -fPIC -pthread -m64 -Wa,--noexecstack -Wall -O3 -DOPENSSL_USE_NODELETE -DL_ENDIAN -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_CPUID_OBJ -DOPENSSL_IA32_SSE2 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT5 -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_GF2m -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DKECCAK1600_ASM -DRC4_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM -DBSAES_ASM -DGHASH_ASM -DECP_NISTZ256_ASM -DX25519_ASM -DPOLY1305_ASM -DZLIB -DNDEBUG -I/home/work/zlib/v1.2.8/INSTALL.v1.2.8/Linux/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/include

and the -O3 will probably imply it

[versed merlin]

YOU! SHUSH! What have you been told about using LOGIC?!

[quick mist]

"It's an elegant weapon, from a more civilized age."

[glacial spade]

im on Windows, hosting locally via steam, Ports are forwarded in the router, outgoing and incoming ports in the firewall are set to open, no third party firewall used but the server still doesnt let us authenticate/ is shown as offline. any ideas?

[quick mist]

Are the ports open on the Windows firewall? There is a command to effect this change on the Wiki

[austere yoke]

I installed the server on the server with linux operating system, but I still encounter the same problem. Instead of naming the server, I come, I give its name, I press confirm, the game crashes, how can we solve it?

[quick mist]

is it the client or the server that is crashing, Xorc?

[austere yoke]

game

[quick mist]

Both the server and client are "game". Which? Or are you saying both are crashing?

[austere yoke]

client

[torpid sand]

any fix for signs on dedi server or just have to wait for patch?

[quick mist]

that sadly is the fix right now

I would be rather surprised if there were not another update this week, or in a fortnight at most, to Experimental.

[lofty latch]

the first few days there were updates daily xD

[quick mist]

devs need to sleep though

[lofty latch]

Lies, we just need more caffine

[glacial spade]

yep, did that. doesnt change anything

[quick mist]

I know this is probably covering things you have covered before, but:

can you double-check the LAN IP of the host running the server and compare it to the LAN IP to which you are forwarding the UDP ports?
Can you double-check that you are forwarding UDP, and not just TCP ports?

Can you double-check the server is actually listening on the UDP ports with PowerShell: Get-NetUDPEndpoint?

[lofty latch]

We should probably make a "Connectivity Issues" wiki page at this point

[glacial spade]

propably true yeah ^^ i hate asking bc i know it has propably been answered somewhere before

[quick mist]

depending on scope, maybe just a Dedicated Servers/Troubleshooting page

break out "networking" to a tertiery page if it gets too big

[minor narwhal]

Do servers auto-restart every 24 hours?

[quick mist]

not unless you ask them to

[tame solar]

sessions do in the base game to prevent time drift, so assumably servers do as well

[glacial spade]

how do i know its actually listening? should there be the ip with the destined port in the output?

[quick mist]

you know what they way about assumption, Ondar (:

Correct, Fue

or with the IP 0.0.0.0 which means 'all interfaces'

[glacial spade]

this is the case

for port 15777, 15000 and 7777

[slim spoke]

are u using ipv6 on the server?

[glacial spade]

ipv4 as far as i know, im using the steam tool and i didnt change the protocol anywhere

[slim spoke]

but if u have ipv6 it will use that with 0.0.0.0

so u can try pass -multihome=<adapter ip>, then it will only bind to that address instead of 0.0.0.0.

bind to ipv4 ip

no v6 support yet in server

[rich void]

IPv6 is coming later, they have added it in their internal development according to the tracker.

[slim spoke]

yup 🙂

[stone pendant]

I heard the building placing was fixed, I'm so ready for that patch when it drops

[slim spoke]

we are waiting they keep saying there should or might be one on the stream

[stone pendant]

There's a stream rn?

[slim spoke]

ya

[quick mist]

it's Tyr's Day, the Day of CSS Streams

[slim spoke]

they post in #dev-streams

lol they just said it again maybe a patch lol

for dedi

[glacial spade]

i guess you mean as starting option? are the brackets necessary? if i dont have them the server closes itself but with them the ports with the shell command are stil 0.0.0.0 and the server stays offline in the server manager

[quick mist]

No angle-brackets; see the example usage from the table in the Wiki

[glacial spade]

yeah, if i use it like that, the server closes itself instantly

[quick mist]

The table is formatted oddly for me, it's showing a line break where there shoudn't be one. Just to confirm, you are using syntax such as -multihome=192.168.1.4?

[glacial spade]

these are my sarting options

[quick mist]

and -- forgive me -- your host's LAN IP is in point of fact actually 192.168.1.4?

[glacial spade]

sry, was actually not. Now my ip is showing in the shell but the server doesnt come online in the server manager

[lofty latch]

using the server manager

[quick mist]

no worries, that's why I double-check (:
So, the current status - and correct me if I am wrong- is:
your server is running.
when checking Get-NetUDPEndpoint you see the UDP ports bound to your host's LAN IP
When checking the router's port fowarding, you are forwarding the correct UDP ports to the correct LAN IP
The Windows firewall has a rule allowing inbound traffic on those UDP ports
You are still unable to connect to your server from inside the LAN using your LAN IP address

[lofty latch]

you need the experimental version of the game and it just shows up

do you have the server manager option on the left?

then click it and add the server

click the add server button xD

[rich void]

we don't know because no advertising allowed here for servers anyway 🙂

[lofty latch]

advert != recommendation

[quick mist]

I recommend as a good dedicated server the Satisfactory Dedicated Server. It's still in development and kind of shaky but it's still pretty good IMO

[lofty latch]

lol

[glacial spade]

UDP Ports are shwoing as bound to my host ip, the port forwarding in the router i can only set to connected devices so i chose my pc, firewall inbound traffic allows the ports. redid the connection and now i can connect locally. for my friend the server still shows as offline

[versed merlin]

Here, lemme help you: This channel is for learning how to run and configure dedicated servers. Not to help you connect and play on one.

[still imp]

Server error

That what Im asking

[kindred sierra]

weird, i shared comparison pics from steam upload xd i guess it was flagged as sapm

[gray mist]

connection error, check your firewall rules are open. If you are running the dedicated server on Windows, check the firewall rule is open in Window's firewall.

[versed merlin]

I had that issue when I didn’t have ports correctly forwarded on my router.

Then, on an older laptop that needed more than the 30seconds timeout limit to connect and load all the assets.

[still imp]

Thats not the issue

[kindred sierra]

allow +1 port

i cant remember what it was but like 17778 or so

fixed for me

[lofty latch]

7777, 15000, 15777

[still imp]

there is no firewall between my PC and the server

[gray mist]

@still imp what OS is the dedicated server running on?

[still imp]

Debian

on ESXI

its been running since the date of the Dedicated servers made available

this just happened

[versed merlin]

And you’ve been able to connect successfully in the past, correct?

[gray mist]

How long has the service been running?

[still imp]

It reboots daily

[gray mist]

If you made it a service, I've found crash detection isn't working right

[still imp]

I had this issue trying to import an old game. it runs for a few Minutes and crashes with the same error

[gray mist]

How much RAM do you have?

[versed merlin]

oh? can you elaborate a bit on this?

[still imp]

12 GB ram for this VM

[gray mist]

@versed merlin On Ubuntu 20, using the simple service / shell script method, when my dediserver crashes it goes to the "dead" state, but smartctl doesn't restart it

[still imp]

I expected stuff like this so hit me with the questions

[gray mist]

So long as you don't have a massive save, that should definitely be more than enough.

[still imp]

I can throw more at it if you think it will help

[versed merlin]

Good to know. thanks. I have mine set up (ubuntu 20.04, too) as a service using the simple service method.

[gray mist]

Are you seeing any obvious errors in ~/.steam/steamcmd/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/FactoryGame/Saved/Logs/FactoryGame.log ?

[still imp]

lemme pull the log for ya

[gray mist]

I haven't dug into it, the server has been rock solid other than the known crash points like the rebar gun

[versed merlin]

I’m running a server on ubuntu with a 2.5mb save file and 8GB ram (i3-6500). So far minimal chugging even with three players going bonkers 😄 so 12 should be great

[minor hinge]

-can anyone tell me how I change the save file my server loads when I start it up?

[versed merlin]

Yeah, had to yell at one of my guys “STOP THAT! You’re crashing the server!” on voice comms. LOL

[gray mist]

"Session Name" in the Server Settings tab in Server Manager

[gray mist]

Unhandled Exception: SIGSEGV: invalid attempt to read memory at address 0x0000000000000038 You might want to open a second SSH session and keep an eye on memory usage when you start the server, might be OOMMing

[quick mist]

@glacial spade -
Sorry for the slow response. Okay, so you're at the point where you can successfully connect locally to your server-- that's good progress!
If your friend is still unable to connect, that points at one of four immediately apparent potential points of failure:

• Your friend is entering an incorrect address;
• Your ISP is not sending you the UDP traffic to your ingress (i. e. your router);
• Your router's forwarding settings are using incorrect ports; or
• Your router's forwarding settings are using an incorrect internal IP address

Earlier you had the wrong LAN IP on the command line for the -multihome switch, so I'd start by double-checking your router's forwarding settings- the port numbers, port types, and LAN address to which to forward the traffic

[still imp]

@gray mist Yup, agreed. The game wasnt really big yet so I hope the Mem usage can optimized in future release

[gray mist]

It appears that logs are rotated, so I can't look at the errors I got while trying to start a new save on a 4GB server

[rich void]

@still imp I think its the spiked rebar causing the bug, which is a known issue.

[gray mist]

he can't even get connected to fire a rebar gun @rich void, my testing found it was only when fired that the server would crash with that bug

[still imp]

I think that and the auto save triggers about the same time

[rich void]

Yes but look at the last line before the memory error, it is the SpikedRebar

[gray mist]

well shit, that timing then?

[rich void]

They loaded the rebar and fired it at a stinger, crashing the server

[still imp]

lets try to reproduce

[gray mist]

Welp, revert to previous auto-save and retry?

[rich void]

the logs literally said that, basically LOL

[gray mist]

Man, my caffeine has not taken affect yet... I shouldn't be reading logs in this state

[rich void]

No problem, glad we have multiple eyes on that

[still imp]

lol

waiting for server boot

[gray mist]

Just wget more RAM and call it a day?

[still imp]

thats just a few mouse clicks in VMWARE

[gray mist]

Indeed it is, especially if you have hot-add set up :D

[still imp]

I do

[rich void]

well, guess no new patch today 😦 hopefully they got something for tomorrow

[gray mist]

My game just crashed while sitting idle connected to my dedicated server... anyone else ever have that happen? Server is fine.

[orchid lodge]

yo anyone wanna go halfs on a server host and play together? if so dm me

[still imp]

Rebar gun confirmed

[gray mist]

big oof

[still imp]

Hey... now I know not to use it till its fixed

[glacial spade]

My friend is joining via my public WAN-IP (ipv4) address

[gray mist]

I put a sign on equipment workshop saying rebar gun crashes the server, but signs don't save correctly for me

[glacial spade]

"- Your ISP is not sending you the UDP traffic to your ingress (i. e. your router);" -> is there a way to change that or if that ios the case am i just doomed? ^^

[gray mist]

If your ISP is blocking the traffic, you can't usually do anything about that.

[still imp]

ISP dont block just UDP traffic

you tube uses UDP for video transmission

[gray mist]

Yes, however the connection method is a bit different.

[still imp]

if that works then UDP is not blocked by ISP

[gray mist]

You watching a youtube video will start with an outbound call from you to Google servers, a stateful firewall will know that a returning UDP datastream and allow it. Having a new connection attempt from "outside" is often blocked though, depending on protocol/port

[still imp]

That is your router not the ISP

[gray mist]

Not necessarily, ISPs often block traffic to reduce attack vectors, or lock connectivity away so you have to upgrade to their "business" account. I've had an ISP tell me I have to have a business account in order for inbound connections on 80/443 to be allowed.

[still imp]

Thats blocking ALL inbound stateless traffic not just UDP

[slim spoke]

game ports are rarely blocked by isps

[still imp]

Game ports are outbound Stateful

[slim spoke]

its kind of how game devs pick ranges lol

[gray mist]

It is a lot to ask someone just wanting to game, but if @glacial spade 's friend could do a UDP traceroute, we'd have a better idea

[slim spoke]

they use a call back to open the udp port lol

or ping whatever its called

[still imp]

try ping first to be sure it is hitting the server to begin with

do ping -t to their external IP

also you need to be sure ICMP is allowed

most routers deny by default

[gray mist]

A lot of ISPs will block ICMP on the gateway by default

[still imp]

again... ISP does not block this traffic its the router

[orchid lodge]

hey for a server are they avalible on ea or just exp?

[still imp]

ICMP is alot more than ping

[glacial spade]

ok im super confused why but somehow he was able to connect now. Thanks to everyone for your help! love this community 🙂

[still imp]

sometimes settings take a min to allpy

apply

[gray mist]

gateway = route/switch/WAP that most ISPs give to customers, @still imp

[orchid lodge]

hey for a server are they avalible on ea or just exp? ea = early access exp = experimental

[gray mist]

experimental only

[vocal jungle]

just exp

[orchid lodge]

ok thank you

[still imp]

@gray mist I had just said the router blocks by default before you made that statement. It leads me to believe you didnt know.

[gray mist]

The timestamp might say they are a minute apart, but I was hitting enter as your message popped up. great minds think alike

[still imp]

yes

[jade crater]

i dont have satisfactory on steam but where can i find the dedicated server download?

[gray mist]

But I have absolutely dealt with ISPs that block traffic before it reaches your router/gateway unfortunately. It is scummy, and shouldn't be allowed IMO :/

[still imp]

you can get around the router problem by changing the router in your home. some ISP will need to add your MAC to the routing table if you do this.

[slim spoke]

pinned messages has link to dedicated server downloading

[jade crater]

oh thanks

[slim spoke]

yw

Wiki for more info: https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers

[gray mist]

AT&T Gigapower technically doesn't allow any other gateway than what they issue, but I use EAP_proxy to circumvent their garbage gateway's nonsense and use a USG instead. Thankfully they don't muck with traffic elsewhere

[still imp]

VPN FTW

Scumbag ISP cant see your traffic encapsulated in the tunnel

[fluid turret]

but they still got cookies to eat, so please dont just use a VPN and call it a day

and no VPN does not stop them from seeing packets, they have to also be encrypted

[still imp]

VPN should be a last resort for this

VPN should be encrypted

[fluid turret]

It should but not all of them are

[gray mist]

I've never heard of a VPN that wasn't encrypting the encapsulated traffic

[still imp]

it isnt true VPN if not

What Martha said

[quick mist]

without a cipher it's just a VN or VLAN

[gray mist]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were "VPN" companies out there that were just routing all your traffic through their servers so they can scrape your data though

[fluid turret]

^

[still imp]

VPN is Virtual PRIVATE Network

well if you control the cypher then ...

you really need a good router with a good firewall that YOU control to be safe

even then you cant be absolutely sure

[jade crater]

i have downloade steamcmd but when i trie the command it doesnt work

[fluid turret]

do it in CMD not powershell

[gray mist]

add .\ to the beginning of the command and it'll work

powershell works fine

[still imp]

powershell is preferred

better functionaliity

[gray mist]

BASH is preferred by this Linux nerd, but PS > CMD all day

[jade crater]

thanks man

[fluid turret]

not when its reading steamcmd as a cmdlet vs exe

[worldly pond]

I just got an idea, can you run the linux server on WSL? I have no idea why anyone would do this, but I'm genuinely curious

[quick mist]

it's checking to see if it's a cmdlet because it can't find the .exe on the path

[still imp]

ahhhhh links not allowed

[fluid turret]

Yes I have got it working, the firewall settings are funky as shit but it works

[quick mist]

that red text is PowerShell's version of Bad command or file name

[still imp]

google LGSM

[fluid turret]

just link the wiki https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Automated_Solutions

[still imp]

you can setup a server with like 5 commands

[quick mist]

these days the only reason to run cmd.exe is bad muscle memory

[gray mist]

Windows firewall? I really don't like Window's firewall -_-

[still imp]

and a quick ping

[quick mist]

windows doesn't like Windows Firewall

[fluid turret]

No its WSL so linux firewall but its the fact that its a subsystem/VM like system running on your machine.

The same process for opening your VM to the outside world is what you need to do for WSL

[still imp]

LGSM does the firewall rules for you

[gray mist]

I haven't mucked with WSL much, do inbound connections touch the Windows firewall?

[still imp]

on the server that is

yes they do

[fluid turret]

I should try that but I distinctly remember never having to touch my defender filters

maybe cause they were already all open

[gray mist]

I just disable Windows Firewall and do all my firewalling on hardware. I've got a serious disdain for Windows Firewall.

[still imp]

as long as you dont care if that box is compromised

[gray mist]

It is still isolated, I just have to manage a different firewall

[worldly pond]

If anyone here uses Pufferpanel for remote server monitoring, I've made a VERY simple template to install the dedicated server in a puffer container

[gray mist]

But also... I have an internet connection. it is too late, everything is compromised

[tribal pumice]

I love love love Ubuntu Firewall. I have this Ubuntu server I run a ZFS pool on for my NAS that I also run some applications and dev on.

[quick mist]

ufw is the best firewall I've seen this side of shorewall

[gray mist]

UFW is nice

[worldly pond]

Is ufw better than firewall-cmd?

[gray mist]

I always forget about it because I've managed iptables directly for so long though >.<

[quick mist]

haven't used the latter

[worldly pond]

UFW is way easier to configure imo, but I've just always used CentOS for my servers so I'm always just using firewall-cmd

Too lazy to switch

[tribal pumice]

UFW is nice if you're using Ubuntu because you can get all of your rules at a glance in a nice readable form, adding and modifying rules is quick and easy.

[gray mist]

CentOS is dead to me. I also prefer to run game servers on Debian/Ubuntu over CentOS. CentOS was always better for the more business related shit

[tribal pumice]

Though the syntax for the rules is a little jarring at first.

I've used CentOS and Ubuntu for webservers and dbs for a long time. I don't think it really matters anymore now that Docker is a thing.

[worldly pond]

Is that just because of the CentOS Stream garbage?

[worldly pond]

I've always used Cockpit, which I find just works best on RHEL based distros without adding different PPAs and whatnot

[gray mist]

Yep. Not a fan of the changes RH decided to make in regards to CentOS

[worldly pond]

Neither do I, but I understand why they would do it as a business decision

[quick mist]

Rocky is the new CentOS

but I prefer debian package management to RPM anyhow so it's no bones to me

[lofty latch]

Rocky isn't too bad actually, I tried it out recently

most CentOS repos are compatible with it

[still imp]

just use RHEl

[quick mist]

Rocky was founded by old CentOS people to make "CentOS but inviolate to Red Hat's misfeasance"

RHEL is very very spendy

[still imp]

RHEL 8 works with all Cent OS

[quick mist]

that pesky E

[still imp]

RHEL is free

[lofty latch]

SLES too

[still imp]

What is the Red Hat Developer program's Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals?
The Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals is a no-cost offering of the Red Hat Developer program and includes access to Red Hat Enterprise Linux among other Red Hat products. It is a program and an offering designed for individual developers, available through the Red Hat Developer program.

[quick mist]

RHEL is free; access to support or the repositories is not

[gray mist]

I need to mess with SUSE/SLES...

[quick mist]

using it for actual providing of services outside of a development or personal context is a TOS thing

[still imp]

you can find most everything you need with google

[lofty latch]

the self support licences don't allow being run in a virtual machine, bare metal only

[still imp]

Nope

I run then in ESXI right now

and yes they know

my redhat rep at work was the one who told me about it

[lofty latch]

for most things though there's not a massively good reason to run RHEL

[still imp]

the same can be said for all the others lol

Cent OS is EOL

software support and updates are going away

not for EHEL

[lofty latch]

well more to the point it's not going to have a stable base any more

[still imp]

RHEL

[lofty latch]

it's just going to be the rolling release Stream which isn't suitable for Enterprise or mission critical at all :\

[gray mist]

^^^

[still imp]

For RHEl?

[gray mist]

CentOS Stream

[still imp]

well yea but Cent OS wasnt meant for enterprise. it was basically the same as RHEL

even the repos are compatible

mostly

[gray mist]

CentOS was heavily used by my enterprise customers, they just don't need the additional support that RHEL offered

[still imp]

being meant and being used are two different things

[quick mist]

CentOS absolutely was meant for enterprise

it was the Community Enterprise Operating System

it's right there in the name

[still imp]

and The rep says RHEL is free for commercial use up to 16 server instances

there is no support, it is user supported

[quick mist]

that doesn't mean it was not meant for enterprise use

[still imp]

meh

[quick mist]

just "on your head be it if you take a side trip to RPM Hell"

[gray mist]

Any of y'all like Gentoo? Because we ain't gonna get along :p

[still imp]

its just a discussion

no fighting

[lofty latch]

Gentoo was how I originally 'learned' Linux about 15 years ago

[gray mist]

(inherited) Gentoo was how I learned that I'd rather just work overnights than have my sleep interrupted because the RADIUS server went down, again. Soon as I could that was migrated to CentOS and virtualized

[quick mist]

I loved Gentoo for my "messing around and learning crap" box

no way I'd ever use it for any kind of service

I really miss portage and USE flags

I really don't miss waiting for distcc to complile everything on my cluster every time there was a kernel update

yes I know arch is a thing. No I haven't had time to learn its ways.

[lofty latch]

I'm no fan of Arch myself

[gray mist]

It was being used in prod.... It was not documented at all... and it was not maintained at all.

[lofty latch]

You can just never go wrong with Debian or Ubuntu frankly

[quick mist]

I might mess about with Gentoo again one day.. when I have free time again. That day is not today

[lyric rover]

a link to this license agreement would be great - im highly interested because all you can find online is normal paid licensing

[quick mist]

I do think anyone wanting to learn How To Linux should dig up the old Stage1 Gentoo install docs. It's really educational when your install docs get into "okay now select a cron daemon. here are several options, how they differ, and our suggestion."

[lyric rover]

if you like the mess and fiddleing around with compiling you could try arch linux 😉

ah you mentioned that a few lines earlier haha 😄

[gray mist]

I compiled Arch in a VM while pretty drunk once, got it all set up and ready to go... when I woke up I said "meh" and deleted it. I only did it to spite a friend lul

[lofty latch]

when I was at uni a big chunk of the course was "Take this hardware that wasn't designed to run Linux and port Linux to it" - a MIPS based system called the Puppeteer

then write a kernel module to control the on-board FPGA

then write VHDL for the FPGA to control this robot arm

then make the arm do things

[rose valley]

Is anyone aware of any dedicated servers out there that can gracefully handle port redirection ( eg forward from 9999 external IP to 7777 server IP )?

[bold light]

then realise you cant do any of those things and quit

[lofty latch]

Yes, most can in fact - but there are some caveats to do with those that use query servers

So if you take something like a SRCDS server, it'll tolerate the games main port being redirected - but you have to connect directly to its IP - if you use the server browser or a steam://connect link then it won't work because the query server will report the wrong port

[rose valley]

So exactly the same problem you would run into if you did that with our server's ports.

[lofty latch]

We have some funky logic that emulates a steam query server for this reason

well you could work around that by allowing the user to specify an external port and have the query server lie about the port

[rose valley]

I was thinking about adding some parameters, such as -AdvertisedBeaconPort and -AdvertisedGamePort which would not change the ports the server is listening to but change the ports it reports through the query channel.

[lofty latch]

the other approach some other games use is that the query port is always a fixed offset of the actual port

[rose valley]

Would that be a huge inconvenience for server admins, I wonder?

[quick mist]

that would actually be ideal

[lofty latch]

so if Game was 7777, query was 7787 (+10) - you could redirect 7777->8888 so long as the query was 7787 -> 8898

[quick mist]

then we have control over which port the service is listening on and can translate it freely at the NAT gateway

[solar remnant]

It would be in some cases, if you cannot influence it.

[quick mist]

it would only be inconvenient if you had to declare the "advertised" ports rather them defaulting to the actual listen ports

[rose valley]

Yeah exactly my though. It's a little annoying cause you kinda have to repeat yourself (tell it to your router then tell it to the server) but I can't think of any other way of handling that well and I'd rather put the burden of configuration on the server side and keep it simple for clients.

[lofty latch]

The big difference @rose valley is that most games that allow you to connect directly don't rely on being able to talk to the query server at all

Although the ideal world is not to have separate game/query ports at all and to respond to both types of request in the same port

[minor hinge]

When I try to change the Session Name in the server Settings tab it just instantly pastes the existing session name in. What am I doing wrong?

[lofty latch]

Minecraft for example accepts query and game connect requests at the same address

[quick mist]

make the "ad" port default to the "real" port if not specified; make the "real" port default to the "standard" port if not specified, then it only gets complex if you have to start overriding ports