math-and-meta

[jolly holly]

For me i think making a separate factory for fabric is a better idea

And have that do its thing and not have it all rely on everything working

But thats just me

[frosty owl]

For me i think making a separate factory for fabric is a better idea
@jolly holly I just cram it in that loop as it makes just enough as needed xD (from 1 pure node at least)

[jolly holly]

For me this seems the most difficult to understand setup in the game

Like understand it in a way where you can adapt some numbers here and there

Without messing it all up

[frosty owl]

What do you mean?

[jolly holly]

So for me its just a big structure that produces X rubber

That you can turn into plastic with more fuel and do what you want with ut

But to adapt it looks like it messes all the maths involved

[frosty owl]

You shouldn't try to adapt it, just use the output plastic/rubber and know you'll never touch it again 😂

[jolly holly]

Exactly

Thats precisely my view of the setup

[fresh elm]

I haven't seen that diagram in an age of man

[glacial hemlock]

@jolly holly good luck splitting the '1', haha!! But wait... you got valve now😂

I would say it was a talent who created that

[solid elm]

What is the best plastik/rubber setup?

[frosty owl]

What is the best plastik/rubber setup?
@solid elm Best as in "most rubber out of set amount of oil"?

[fresh elm]

any setup that uses DPF

[frosty owl]

Including alternative recipes?

[solid elm]

yes, every single one

[frosty owl]

As Klepdar said, the one that uses diluited packaged fuel

[fierce ruin]

which is more efficient, regular turbofuel or heavy turbofuel

[frosty owl]

Which goes: oil > heavy oil residue > packaged fuel > unpackaged fuel > residual rubber/plastic

[fresh elm]

regular turbofuel, assuming DPF

[solid elm]

thx

[fierce ruin]

what is dpf?

[fresh elm]

diluted packaged fuel

[fierce ruin]

i dont know many acronyms

without dpf?

[fresh elm]

turns water into oil

[fierce ruin]

yeah i know

[fresh elm]

without that prob heavy turbo

[fierce ruin]

alright

[fresh elm]

I didn't do the math, just a gut feeling

[fierce ruin]

i only have heavy turbo atm so i was wondering whether it was actually worth it

[winged dagger]

turbofuel doc'd https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Fuel_Generator#Stage_5

[fresh elm]

well, I mean, I did the math like forever ago

but I don't remember how much better it is

[fierce ruin]

although i also dont have the alt for oil > HOR

[fresh elm]

just run around the world getting drives. you can do the research with portable mams while you're out

[fierce ruin]

yeah i know

it would be a lot harder with the old mam

you would have to bring the girls everywhere

hub* phone autocorrected that

[frosty owl]

just run around the world getting drives. you can do the research with portable mams while you're out
@fresh elm I felt so big-brain when I figured that out 🤣

[oblique hollow]

there, reddit post on my Pipeline Guide Diagrams has been created
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/jmqw9d/pipeline_infographs_fluid_update_version/

[frosty pawn]

3 stacks iron plates, 3 stacks iron rods, 3 stacks concrete, stack of nobelisks, stack of wire, stack of cables, some rotors, stack of filters for gas mask, stack of parachutes. prepared for an entire day of crash site hunting 😄

[fierce ruin]

@frosty pawn For serious crash site hunting you should have a hazmat suit and a whole bunch of turbomotors and heatsinks.

[frosty pawn]

you will find heatsinks along the way. by the time you get to the ones that require turbomotors, you probably already got most of the hard drives and put beacons on the ones that require that high level stuff

or you found the mats to make turbomotors with a crafting bench

[frosty owl]

@fierce ruin Hazmat is for p***ies! Real pioneers venture out with only a xeno-zapper/basher and NUTS IN HAND!!

[frosty pawn]

big blue ones

[frosty owl]

big blue ones
@frosty pawn There's a joke that could be made here, but I'll refrain for decency

[frosty pawn]

prude

[brave bison]

How many coal plants can be supplied on miner mk1 on a pure node?

[signal sky]

120/15 = 8

[brave bison]

So consumption of coal is 15 per min

[bleak coral]

yes, at 100% power consumption

[night jay]

Question. With one pure coal node with a mk1 miner and one pure sulfur node with a mk1 miner, how much black power can you make?

[dusky dust]

Greeny's calculator's probably the best to use for questions like that

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

Specifically in your case, using all available alts: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=LLyADrpnPavTbl35DJ2s

[jolly holly]

behold my first turbo motor automation

i rushed all the rotors and motors cuz i wanted to sleep

[azure gull]

Anyone here know how to line up water collectors and pipe splits?

[jolly holly]

also i got lazy so i overclocked my manufacturer

[azure gull]

Anyone?

[jolly holly]

You cannot

Eyeball it

[worthy copper]

the only other way ive done it is to get it pixel-perfect once, check distances with area actions (mod) and then duplicate at pixel-perfect multiples of distance

[bleak coral]

If you're looking down you can get the guide lines to show up for junctions on foundations, but the tricky thing is getting the output of the water extractors to actually be lined up with one of the snap locations

Which, like crocketeer pointed out, is exceedingly hard

[glacial hemlock]

It is possible to line up. Check wiki

[cedar mica]

Place pipe splitter, jump on top of it, line up extractor with it. Dont take long, once you have a system

[cosmic hawk]

you want a screenshot?

well its not all being made on site. just the nuclear stuff

its kinda ugly atm

but im making 31.5/min

im not gonna use the full amount because i kinda ran out of room for plants so ill just sink the excess. i have 140 plants laid out

beacons, oscillators, control rods, silica, quickwire all made offsite and trained in.

i loop it back in

i had to do some extra work with the pipes after i started it

its a little weird to figure out

let me load up my game real quick ill tell you exactly how i have it

[silent mortar]

You make the refineries in sets of four. Three of them get the acid normally, the fourth one gets all the output of the first three and itself jammed back into it's input.

[cosmic hawk]

so i have a row of 9 all feeding into one pipe. then the next row has 3 all feeding into one pipe. the pipe from the 3 loops back around and connects to the other pipe and then to the 3 refineries

i haven't had any issues with it backing up. it was running a little inefficient at first but i think it was actually on the end of the sulfuric acid refineries

2>1 what?

sulfuric acid output to input?

well you need 80 per

and they ouput 20

so you could do 3>1 and have the 1 loop back into itself

but make sure they're all connected

hard for me to tell whats going on there. i assume those are all making pellets

do you have more making pellets?

so just 8? what is your uranium output from the miner

what miner are you using

fully overclocked?

so 600

you could make more pellets

you should turn your miner down to match what you're using

do you have 5 sulfuric acid refineries?

[dusty crow]

where is a single use coal deposit

like, you mine it and then it's gone forever. that isn't on a coal node

general location is around this area

yknow like uh

hang on let me find it...

[cosmic hawk]

the little chunks

[dusty crow]

thank you

[cosmic hawk]

that you hand mine

[dusty crow]

i.e this quartz

but instead of quartz, coal.

fantastic.. now I need to know how to do 100% efficent caterium

given a furnace smelts 45 ore per minute and the node in question gives 120..

3 furnaces wont cut it. how can I do this?

[green crescent]

3 miners and 8 smelters?

[dusty crow]

i only have one node

Is it possible to overclock the node to a certain amount to do this

like the miner on top

[green crescent]

112.5% on the miner

[dusty crow]

and this'll alow three smelters?

which is about.. 135 ore

[green crescent]

120x1.125 is 135

[dusty crow]

thanks boss

um.. I can't do decimal values

[green crescent]

then make it 113

[dusty crow]

you sure that'll cut it?

no wait hang on.. 180

no that would be too much..

[green crescent]

135.6 at 113% .6 extra big deal

[dusty crow]

will that decimal harm it?

[green crescent]

how

[dusty crow]

an additional ore on the conveyor potentially causing a jam

[green crescent]

why would it cause a jam

the miner will just stop for a very short period every long while

[lament saddle]

wait

just overclock one of the smelter

to like 102

[dusty crow]

to fix the 113 problem?

[green crescent]

if you don't want excess ore then set the miner to 112%

[lament saddle]

yes

to get rid of that 0.6

[dusty crow]

So miner is 113 and one smelter is 102

[lament saddle]

about that

[green crescent]

but now you've created a deficit again

[dusty crow]

so i'd need three smelters, or two?

[lament saddle]

well you only need 1 smelter to be set at 100.6

and the rest normal if you need more?

[dusty crow]

i hope you realize the running im doing :)

[lament saddle]

wait

[green crescent]

it's still not an equal production so there is no difference

either way it's not a perfect match

[lament saddle]

2 smelters at full effeciency

and 1 at 66/67

[dusty crow]

why don't I underclock the miner

i mean think about it

[lament saddle]

that makes the ratios harder

[green crescent]

that all depends on whether you want 100% output from the smelters

[dusty crow]

that way I only have two smelters

I want 100% output

[green crescent]

so set the miner to 113% and be done with it

[lament saddle]

wait

2 smelters at 100

and a miner at 75?

[dusty crow]

30 cat per minute

yes :P

[lament saddle]

you could do that

[dusty crow]

cat isnt as important to me right now

[green crescent]

how about this? miner at 150% and 4 smelters

that's equal

[dusty crow]

how would I equally distribute the splitters..

[lament saddle]

omg yes

1 splitter

wait

like a simple tree

1 splitter feeds 2 splitters and the 2 splitters feed the 4 smelters

[dusty crow]

Genius

[lament saddle]

yes

[dusty crow]

time to execute idea. hopefully it works right

If it doesn't I'm gonna be furious

[lament saddle]

please dont hurt me

[dusty crow]

also what should I do with my spare metal plates and screws from my reinforced plate factory

[lament saddle]

modular frames

[dusty crow]

i need to be producing rods too..

[lament saddle]

do you have the casted screw recipe?

ingots to screws?

[dusty crow]

I have no recipes like that yet

i think the bitch part is i remember there's coal nearby in the desert

and its FAR

good god the power line... :/

[lament saddle]

have you found any alternate recipes yet

[dusty crow]

nope. im running back to base now

[lament saddle]

ok

well casted screw should be the literal first one

[dusty crow]

i can just do shift+c+w

and space to move faster

[lament saddle]

or belt running

[dusty crow]

why not both?

[lament saddle]

unless your belt is facing the wrong way

[dusty crow]

alright at base, time to set up the foundations some more and this.. monstrocity of splitters

[green crescent]

that is why I always aim for some overproduction and just do manifolds

[dusty crow]

alright.. what do I do?

[lament saddle]

the setup of splitters will look very effecient if you do it right

[dusty crow]

one splitter that splits into two splitters?

[lament saddle]

it should look like a U

balancing 2 Us

[dusty crow]

here's splitter one

[lament saddle]

ok

now put 2 more up and to the right and up to the left

[green crescent]

https://satisfactory.tash.fyi/8

[lament saddle]

yes

thank you

[dusty crow]

?

[lament saddle]

voids chart explains it

[dusty crow]

i have an ocd problem, dont question it

[lament saddle]

that is literally why this game exists

[lament saddle]

yes

[dusty crow]

did i accidentally catch little creature in the background

Yes I did.

[lament saddle]

that is not a little creature tho

[dusty crow]

he got small head

[lament saddle]

because he bean

[dusty crow]

the caterium mine being that far isnt really going to have an effect now that i think about it

i mean maybe I should speed up conveyors but.. I dont know

180 on 60, i doubt 120 is gonna change anything

[green crescent]

what level conveyors do you have?

[lament saddle]

im guessing at least mk 3 because it looks like the ocean along the purple forest

thats a moderately difficult place to get to

[dusty crow]

....mark 1.

I can upgrade to mark 2.

but mark 3? fuck that I dont own it kid

[green crescent]

then you ain't doing 4 smelters lol

[dusty crow]

ok what do I do then

please teach me your ways god

[lament saddle]

bruh im trying to help swearing aint gonna fix it

[dusty crow]

yeah i know lol

[lament saddle]

so you have the one mine at 180 per minute correct?

[green crescent]

anything above 120 doesn't matter since he only has mk2 belt

[dusty crow]

120. so I downgrade the mine then

[lament saddle]

yes

and this was critical to my design

back to the drawing table

[dusty crow]

Time to waste another 5 min running back

[green crescent]

next time mention what conveyors you got 😛

[lament saddle]

ye

[dusty crow]

so currently

mine is at 120
I need to upgrade these conveyors to mark 2, no problem with that

so let's assume the convyeors are already at that point for when we're making the uh.. splitters and stuff

To save time, yes?

[lament saddle]

please dont leave out any details

[green crescent]

you're back to uneven ratios though

[dusty crow]

:)

[lament saddle]

i dont see a way of balancing this other then underclocking several smelters

[green crescent]

can't get an equal value that way though

only by setting miner to 75% and running 2 smelters

[lament saddle]

yeah

[dusty crow]

So I have

to run back again

[green crescent]

this is why you figure out the plan before doing the running

[dusty crow]

god im so stupid

[lament saddle]

yes

WAIT

GRAB A BUNCH OF CATERIUM AND THROW IT IN THE MAM

get them blade runners

[dusty crow]

done that but i need quickwire

[lament saddle]

handcraft it

its worth it

[dusty crow]

how much

[lament saddle]

look in the mam

you can just build one wherever you are

[dusty crow]

yup. got that. now i need to do these smelters

given its at 75% power for the miner

Only two smelters! :D

[green crescent]

or 4 at 50% if you wanna save some power

[dusty crow]

and how would I get the constructors working?

i'll figure this out tommorow

i need to sleep...

[lapis bronze]

Someone help how the hell do you do a five-way split

I have a conveyor with 15 ips and need to make 5 tracks with 3 ips

[silent mortar]

Supposedly this.

[lapis bronze]

Looks like it shouldn't work but I have faith

I think I understand it

Thx for the help

[silent mortar]

The only warning the creator had with that splitter, is that you will have 120% between the merger and splitter, so it won't work if the input is the entire line. Since you're dealing with such small numbers it'll be fine now, but if you were running a full 780 on a mk5 belt, the feedback would get jammed up and the numbers would get skewed.

[wispy cradle]

split the feedback and merge in both sides

[lapis bronze]

@silent mortar thx for the warning bc I also wanted to 5-way-split a line of 60 only using mk1s

So I would need 2 mk2s right

Or no wait just one

[silent mortar]

Everything could be mk1 except the small bit between the first merger and splitter that reads 120%.

[lapis bronze]

Yep ok

That's actually dreadful bc I just stopped for today I hope I remember tommorow

This new wing consumes too much power so I didn't get the chance to see this potentially catostrophic flaw before pulling the plug

[silent mortar]

I just manifold everything and let it fill. :p

[wind spade]

@lapis bronze you can also use manifold as was said

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

[frosty pawn]

The added benefit of manifold is that when you upgrade your input source later, you can just continue adding splitters and machines to extend the manifold in exactly the same way. Also, the machines don't have to produce the same thing; you can mix it up as long as they all require the same parts to be input. The quantity of each input doesn't matter as long as it's the same item and the total requirement doesn't exceed supply.

[lapis bronze]

I would do that but since the items come in at a trickle it would take absolutely forever to get it running

The method I used worked fine off the bat

[frosty pawn]

you can put machines on standby or disconnect the power or belts to give the input belts time to fill up

or if you just leave it and go do something else for a while, by the time you come back it will all be running smoothly

[bleak coral]

early game I do like load balancers cause mk1/2 belts are so slow, and there's not as much else to go do with the simple processes

[lapis bronze]

There's like 100 items in an assembler, plus a couple items in the internal storage of splitters, so at 15 ips it's gonna be like at LEAST 125 minutes that way

(5 assemblers ofc)

[frosty pawn]

you can also go to the machines on the input side, pick up materials, go to the machines at the end of the manifold, put materials

[lapis bronze]

Still gonna take ass long

Both methods have merit

The 5 way natural split is fun to look at too

[frosty pawn]

i have a building with 18 foundries and 72 smelters, 1 long manifold where at 2 points I add more material because there are 3 miners feeding it. works fine for me, but these are with mk4 and mk5 belts

[lapis bronze]

Yeah exactly I'm using mk1 and 2 because I frankly don't need to use anything more expensive than steel for this

[frosty pawn]

well, do whatever works for now, but don't spend too much time on it - it's just temporary. when you get new alternate recipes or up to tier7 you will want to dismantle and reorganise all of it

[lapis bronze]

Yeah I've restarted a couple times now because I've made so many mistakes before

Like not using verticality at all

Or not putting factories on foundations

And building extremely close to the hub

[frosty pawn]

those are problems that can easily be fixed. you can even dismantle the hub and build it somewhere else

same with space elevator

[lapis bronze]

I'm aware but I just felt like I could do everything right from the start instead of doing a huge cleanup job

I made extreme systemic errors

Like whenever I needed to make a new factory I wouldn't mine out more resources and build bottom up, I would borrow from factories that produced it's constituents and it became this huge conveyor mess

[frosty pawn]

i restarted a lot at first too, but at some point i decided no more restarts - if i make a mistake this time i will fix it as punishment. got to tier 7 really fast then

[lapis bronze]

Now whenever I make a new factory I make an honest attempt to make it independent so that I don't have resources going all over the place

[frosty pawn]

that's good

[lapis bronze]

Anyways I'm on experimental and I save manually, then restart it acts like I died and fills all my health and replaces my inventory with nothing except a zapper

So that's pretty annoying

[frosty pawn]

that should only happen if you are offline or there is a problem connecting to steam/epic

[lapis bronze]

O yea it only happened today when I was playing in offline mode

Makes sense

I guess inventories are attached to your steamid or something

[frosty pawn]

yes

if you are playing singleplayer, you can start the game online and then disconnect internet once you're in

[lapis bronze]

That's helpful

Idk enough about the epic launcher meta to know how it works there but probably similar story

[frosty pawn]

yeah the game just needs to know who you are when you join the session, even if it's an "offline" session

[lapis bronze]

Ik a lot of games that have single player be just a local server and distinct client, it makes things easier from a development standpoint but you end up demanding some level of technical know-how from your players

[frosty pawn]

This game runs like peer-to-peer server-client so one player will also be the server, but the client side of it is really buggy so if we run the player side of it somewhere else and make everyone clients, everyone has those bugs. When those bugs are fixed, we will do exactly that except there will be an option for the server side to not actually render any graphics so it can run on real server hardware that doesn't have a graphics card

the server side will be free, so players can arrange their own hosting. it would be great to do something like a LAN party in this game 😄

[jolly holly]

am I the only one getting weird behavior with pipes and liquid when i am outside render distance

like my alumina factory keeps losing efficiency for no reason

but when i go near it, it fixes itself

[signal nimbus]

So, like... reverse trucks?

[jolly holly]

this little problem isnt really satisfactory

[signal nimbus]

No, I'm referring to the fact that trucks fix themselves when you walk away.

[jolly holly]

yeah and its very interesting

its like it sees me go away

and it starts messing up

when i come back to debug

everything mends itself perfectly

[marble stump]

witch one is better #screenshots ?

[blazing aurora]

I'd tend to the coal Blueprint

It's way better for gunpowder and coalgererator

[frosty pawn]

@marble stump unlocking compacted coal allows you to unlock something else that's very important, so you should always choose compacted coal over anything else when you see it

[glacial hemlock]

@oblique hollow hey someone reading the wiki pointed this out:
https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Talk:Fluid_Buffer

[marble stump]

oki thank you

[oblique hollow]

Huh

Well. Guess ill look into that and correct it

Yeah, slight mistake on my behalf.

Dunno what i was thinking about when i wrote it like that.
Thanks @glacial hemlock

Hmm. I think i remember what i meant when i wrote that.
Buffers dont output as much when they are less than 10% filled.

[fierce ruin]

how much nuclear fuel units does one nuclear power plant uses per minute ?

[sand garnet]

0.2

[fierce ruin]

oh really ?

[sand garnet]

assuming its running at 100% it uses 1 rod per 5 min

[fierce ruin]

thank you tom

[night jay]

LMAO
@fierce ruin I created that lmao

my greatest creation

[marble stump]

@frosty pawn what is compacted coal used for i unlcoked it

[wispy cradle]

turbo fuel

[frosty pawn]

@marble stump allows discovery of turbofuel from more hard drives

[marble stump]

ahh oki thank you ive got 2 more hard drives so lets hope

[wispy cradle]

I have 64 coal generators and 16 fuel generators. I have no pump in my setup. Im thinking if is possible dont use any pump in the game,

[boreal cypress]

it is yes

[frosty owl]

I have 64 coal generators and 16 fuel generators. I have no pump in my setup. Im thinking if is possible dont use any pump in the game,
@wispy cradle If you manage to, it'd be a nice show of good planning ^^

[wispy cradle]

@frosty owl , i have 4 copies of this.

left 10 plastic +2 residue-> fuel. I have no alt recipe.

[bleak coral]

It might be difficult to exploit the blue crater completely without pumps, but a lot of the oil is near the ocean so you could get a good amount done without pumps

Sulfur and aluminum liquids can be done on foundations and just movjbg sollids up/down

And obviously water stuff has the ocean and large water bodies

[boreal cypress]

well you can pack/unpack to get rid of pumps^^

[wispy cradle]

@boreal cypress that would be cheating in a no pump challenge. I will transport just packaged fuel due the alternate recipe, that is more efficient.

And I think that will be enough to avoid pumps.

[boreal cypress]

I wouldnt declare that as cheating

[frosty pawn]

"no pump challenge" lol i never use pumps

[wispy cradle]

everytime I plan a new setup, no pump used.

[bleak coral]

I'm like the opposite of a no pump challenge, I'm like "throw that shit up 200m! Also make it twirl like a ballerina around the building!"

[wispy cradle]

I'm trying to keep my plastic production stable. So when the output is full of fuel, refineries will use less heavy oil residue, and when the system will become full, the last refinary will create petroleum coke to a sink.

[night jay]

I'm trying to keep my plastic production stable. So when the output is full of fuel, refineries will use less heavy oil residue, and when the system will become full, the last refinary will create petroleum coke to a sink.
@wispy cradle do you have an overhead view or a calculator diagram of how you are doing this? I'm super curious as to how I could perhaps replicate this.

[frosty pawn]

i think it has something to do with that intentional hump in the pipe, but i can only guess

[wispy cradle]

i think it has something to do with that intentional hump in the pipe, but i can only guess
@frosty pawn The hump guarantees the overflow

[oblique hollow]

Hump = simplest overflow

[wispy cradle]

It makes sense, I tested and worked.

[night jay]

that's actually kind of clever

[glacial hemlock]

We don't have something that prioritize one fluid source over the other though...

[frosty pawn]

yes, "gravity"

[boreal cypress]

hmm UC is breaking the time xD right one is on 2% and time say 1,6s
left one is 100% and have 32s

[frosty pawn]

different fluid sources at different elevations basically give you that prioritization

[glacial hemlock]

Weird.. btw overclock chart only updates when the existing item is fully produced

@frosty pawn really? That's wonderful

Would they work if the entire pipe is full most of the time?

[frosty pawn]

think about it, 2 water extractors, one higher than the other, output at the mid point. when water consumption is 50% of the total provided by those extractors, the lower extractor will fill up and shut down because of backflow while the top one continues

the problem with this is water level is level

[oblique hollow]

apparently that priorization doesnt work. ive read someone had an aluminium refinery with feedback, but then the prioritization didnt work anymore after the fluid update

[glacial hemlock]

I see...

As far as i know, backpressure from pipes won't stop a machine's output

[frosty pawn]

if the machine's output fills up it should stop

[oblique hollow]

pure pressure not, but the inability to move more liquids in does

[frosty pawn]

you could try with pipes in a Y configuration with 2 inputs, 1 output where only 1 input has a valve to force directional flow so the input without a valve has the opportunity to fill up and stop

when consumption is less than 50% one of the machines should stop

[glacial hemlock]

Gonna experiment with it. Finally a viable solution to process aluminum chain and sulfuric acid chain

[frosty pawn]

might also need a valve on the output after the Y junction... i'm just theorizing here

[oblique hollow]

well, time to fire up the ol' test rig i guess

[latent frost]

I read that if you have 2 trains on the same track they will eventually become out of sync. Is the desync rate random or can it be timed and predicted?

[frosty pawn]

train cannot use a station that is in use

also timing is not perfect, so those two facts combined and....

[latent frost]

my track loop is 6 min, I wanted to put 2 trains 3 min apart

so in an ideal world they won't ever be using the same station

[frosty pawn]

part of that is due to trains (all vehicles actually) do not calculate velocity and position in real time when you are far away, they do it in time intervals, so when you get in range of one trian while the other is still doing this in intervals, and then you move away again, the timing is slightly off

[glacial hemlock]

@latent frost yeah, multi train on the exact same track will lose sync over time. Trying to setup something like 'binary star' won't work.

[frosty pawn]

again, dedicated servers will fix that 😄

[latent frost]

I get that, but is their any way to predict the rate of desync, or is it random, based on how much time you spend near or far away?

[frosty pawn]

not how much time, but how many times and exactly at which time you do it

[latent frost]

so unpredictable then

[frosty pawn]

yep 😦

[latent frost]

that doesn't work for me

[frosty pawn]

make a longer train?

[glacial hemlock]

Basically impossible to predict once you have couple of dozens of trains. I use networked rail system and they are pretty unstable. Part of it is because train may not take the shortest route between stations, and that's pretty random

Longer train is better.

[latent frost]

well, this one is a closed loop, only 1 path. I don't mind having to resync the train every 3 hours or so, but if its less will get annoying

[wispy cradle]

If you put the overflow bellow other machines, you get the greed cup effect

[bleak coral]

Like a reverse overflow, the machines before the dip only fill up when the bottom ones are full?

Wouldn't that still bleed some liquid away before the dip and not be as effective as the hump, which will only supply any liquid to the overflow machines if the priority machines are satisfied?

[wispy cradle]

The hump is still there.

But the machines after the hump are bellow,

So, after the overflow starts, all the machines after the hump will run 100% draining the system.

[bleak coral]

That sounds disastrous

[wispy cradle]

and just after almost full draining, they stop and the cicle starts again

ordinary overflow -> machines in same level after hump (or above).

[oblique hollow]

@frosty pawn alright, can confirm: the valve forces a priority

[wispy cradle]

greed cup overflow-> machines bellow after hump

[oblique hollow]

though its somewhat finicky

[bleak coral]

That greed cup thing is cool, though I don't know why'd you want it

[oblique hollow]

the system doesnt like competing pressure situations at all

[wispy cradle]

That sounds disastrous
@bleak coral I think it could be usefull if you want more stable energy. Like, your overflow machines start, run 100% for a long time and stay 0% for a long time too.

I need test it. I just figured out the greed cup effect now.

[frosty pawn]

@oblique hollow yay! i was right! my brain feels big xD

[oblique hollow]

its not very elegant though

i set up two extractors, both at 60 m³/min, and an output
Situation 1: Output limit is 60: after a bit of fighting, the extractor with the valve won
Situation 2: Output is limited to something greater than 60: Both fight, are sometimes stables, and sometimes not

[frosty pawn]

but it means that you can have a coal generator setup where the power draw from water extractors is much more stable than without

[oblique hollow]

Right now i have it limited to 80 and the extractor without a valve doesnt like it at all
Sometimes it sits idly, supplying 20 m³/min
But right now, it is demolishing the other extractor

[bleak coral]

You could use situation two to mix fuel and water and have surprise power

Sometimes you get power from fuel, sometimes from coal

Only the fates decide

And the fates like tripping your power

[frosty pawn]

impossible, game wont allow connecting pipes of different contents

[bleak coral]

Oh I thought that was the point of this exercise, to have pipes switch fluid types

[oblique hollow]

no, switch supply pipe, not fluid type

[bleak coral]

Oh for like loops like aluminum or sulfur

[frosty pawn]

the only benefit to having a priority is to have stable power draw because you can't just change the input type unless it's coal generator fuel types

[oblique hollow]

i have two competing water extractors that behave like t3hpwnz0r expected most of the time, but they dont like it

[frosty pawn]

could we put a fluid buffer somewhere to improve this situation?

[oblique hollow]

no, it will fill up and thats it

then the tug of war continues

it is stable if the valve is set to EXACTLY the ammount a machine can supply

if it is greater, then they fight
The valve will win more often though

[frosty pawn]

well my idea initially was not to have the valve restrict flow, just prevent backflow

[oblique hollow]

which valve, output?

[frosty pawn]

one of the extractors

[oblique hollow]

i didnt limit that one

only the valve on the exit

[dusky dust]

If you're using valves, make sure that you've got a valve on every output coming out of a split, rather than just some of them Yes, let's give advice to the person who knows more about it than you. :)

[frosty pawn]

so if one has a valve protecting it from backflow, the unprotected extractor should have a lower priority and shut down more often

[dusky dust]

~~There's some pretty great diagrams at https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/jmqw9d/pipeline_infographs_fluid_update_version/~~ Yes, let's give advice to the person who knows more about it than you. :)

[frosty pawn]

@dusky dust read the signature on those diagrams xD

[dusky dust]

Oh hah

[oblique hollow]

hah

[dusky dust]

This is what I get for never looking at nicknames

[frosty pawn]

is the limit from valves proportional or fixed? i thought it was proportional to the input

[oblique hollow]

proportional

[frosty pawn]

then dont limit

[oblique hollow]

though that only applies on SPLITTING

not merging

[frosty pawn]

the only limit should be a fixed limit imposed by the machines at the other end

[oblique hollow]

they do have a hard limit

You cant go above their Limit, but they also scale while you are below it

[frosty pawn]

if it's proportional, it will keep trying to adapt to the amount of water coming in from extractors and that's probably what's causing them to fight

[oblique hollow]

no the problem is that if one of your extractors alone cant supply enough, then the other will turn on from time to time

[frosty pawn]

that's intentional

[oblique hollow]

see, both can supply 120 but its limited to 60 and wont go above

[frosty pawn]

so it's fixed, not proportional

so only 1 extractor should be on

... half the time

... oh i see whats happening

[oblique hollow]

again: i have set both extractors to 60 m³/min output

right now they are stable

[frosty pawn]

both extractors shut down, pipe empties out a bit, both extractors come on

[oblique hollow]

the valve is still prefered, dont worry, its only a problem at output rates greater than a single extractor can supply

or a row of extractors connected to one valve

[frosty pawn]

but that's when its supposed to help though, so when 1 extractor can supply enough the other one never turns on. when more than one is needed, one should always stay on and the other one only sometimes stay on

[oblique hollow]

well, it does that then

[frosty pawn]

so it works!

we have prioritization

this means when only half of your extractors are required to be on, only half of your extractors are on, as opposed to all of your extractors continously spinning up and down trying to provide 50% of their output capacity

you could theoretically have a standard 8 generator, 3 extractor setup where only 1 extreactor is running at first, then as your power draw increases the second extractor automatically joins the party and later on the third extractor. all this time you have a more steady power draw from water extractors which means less probability of fuse breaks

this would only help in the early game though and would not be possible without a pipe that can support 360 water.... 😦

unless we find a way to organise the pipes and extractors to put valves in the right places... hmmm.....

[oblique hollow]

i would have a picture in mind for that, but its a sort of messy build

[jolly holly]

I keep watching videos of people load balancing insteaf of manifolding

I dont get what the benefits for that is

It really seemed like a waste of time and space for me

As the outcome is the same, it just needs to overflow first

Am I missing something?

[oblique hollow]

@frosty pawn I Present: The Variable Prioritized Input System

[dusky dust]

re: balancing, I think it's just that's what most folks' first impulse is to do, and until you've been shown how manifolds work it might nont even occur to you

Heck, I played another factory sim called shapez.io for awhile, and even knowing what I did about manifolds in Satisfactory, I still found myself building balancers by default when I was hours into the game

Especially since in the early game, the ratios you're working with lend themselves well to balancers, compounded by the fact that you're starting off with few enough machines that the space savings are negligible

It's easy to just carry those habits forward even when manifolds would make more sense

[frosty pawn]

@oblique hollow hmmmm... 🤨 This looks like there is only 2 priorities, the one on the right vs the other three

[oblique hollow]

nope, it is multi priority

[frosty pawn]

water coming in from the top yes?

[oblique hollow]

yea

[frosty pawn]

we still have the problem of 120*4 and max 300

[oblique hollow]

i dont quite know how Valve vs Valve priority works though

then upgrade it to mk 2

[frosty pawn]

if you have mk2 valves, at that point priority doesnt matter

priority helps when you have limitations, this occurs in the early game when you can only build so many coal gens

in late game, just make more of everything

the valves create priority by shutting down extractors, it does that by only allowing selected extractors to shut down due to backflow

wait

are valves available at tier 3?

[waxen scaffold]

Nope

tier 6

[frosty pawn]

😦

[frosty owl]

re: balancing, I think it's just that's what most folks' first impulse is to do, and until you've been shown how manifolds work it might nont even occur to you
@dusky dust Coughs in balancing

[frosty pawn]

ok so how is this? we have 3 fluid input sources marked 1, 2, 3. When 1 is not enough to supply the output, 2 will automatically power up. When 1 and 2 are not enough, 3 will power up

[jolly holly]

@dusky dust Coughs in balancing
@frosty owl but why do you balance

can I know a reason?

[frosty pawn]

for train stations so that all platforms can fill up at a uniform rate before a train comes along and pauses loading

[jolly holly]

yeah ok thats also where I use it (the only place might I add)

[frosty pawn]

otherwise depending on how full each platform was with a manifold, you might not get the optimal quantity of items loaded

[frosty owl]

ok so how is this? we have 3 fluid input sources marked 1, 2, 3. When 1 is not enough to supply the output, 2 will automatically power up. When 1 and 2 are not enough, 3 will power up
@frosty pawn I don't think that'd work 🤔
There's nothing stopping water from 3 to come in, reducing the flow from 1/2

[jolly holly]

also is that how valves work?

[frosty pawn]

@frosty owl backflow stops it

1 and 2 will overpower 3 and it will shut down, then 1 will overpower 2 and it will shut down... then when demand picks up 2 will power up, when more demand, 3 will power up

@jolly holly that's how valves with no limit work, they just make sure fluid goes in 1 direction

[frosty owl]

can I know a reason?
@jolly holly My personal reasons are: 1) Full belts moving look cool. I especially like belts filled between 1/2 and 3/4 as you can clearly tell if they saturate (so completly full) or lack something (so go less then 1/2 etc...)

2. Very quick start-up time
3. You can easily check the efficency of machines by cheking if they are storing materials. With perfect balancing, they will never have more then needed, going back to 0 or 1 each production cycle (which I love seeing)
4. I like math :3

Also, I think the shape of the resulting belts usually looks cooler. I merge outputs in row, though. No balancing there

[jolly holly]

i might try an only balancing run

but thats a big might

[lunar pike]

god its amazing how much quickwire and stators you need, anyone else got a "dam i need this alot"

[frosty owl]

Only 1 advice: make your life easier and leave 1 floor for each kind of material needed by a building below the machines (e.g. refineries with 2 floors below, 1 for pipes, 1 for belts)

[jolly holly]

also with the valves : for me it didnt prioritize consistently

i had an aluminium setup that flows the resulting water back into the system

[frosty pawn]

@lunar pike i found some, you can have it

[lunar pike]

ah tnx man

[jolly holly]

and I tried putting a valve on the recycled water to give it prio and i just didnt change much

some times it would give it prio sometimes it wouldnt

[frosty pawn]

@jolly holly but if it changed at all it was a success

[lunar pike]

aye a valve is ment to limit not prio

if your pipe behind the valve has no liquid/preasure its pointless

[frosty owl]

1 and 2 will overpower 3 and it will shut down, then 1 will overpower 2 and it will shut down... then when demand picks up 2 will power up, when more demand, 3 will power up
@frosty pawn Doesn't make sense to me. How I see it, the last junction (between 3 and 2) would push in the pipe to the generators an amount proportional to the inputs it recives.
E.g.: 300 coming from 1/2, 60 coming from 3 would result in 300 going to generator with ~280 flow from 1/2 and 20 flow from 3

[frosty pawn]

ok so maybe valves won't work... maybe we try verticality?

[frosty owl]

But enough with the talks. I'll come back after finally trying them out properly (been putting it off since days, I don't like troubleshooting...)

[lunar pike]

then you in the wrong game LOL

[frosty owl]

I mean when done for anything else then for my own gains (e.g.: progressing my base) xD

[lunar pike]

tis all about trouble/balance/splitting etc etc

hehe

[frosty owl]

Btw, would anyone be willing to share a savefile for pipes troubleshooting...?
I would definetly prefer that over loading my 1k machines just for that...

[lunar pike]

back to my question / its amazing how much quickwire and stators you need, anyone else got a "dam i need this alot" PS need more then what @frosty pawn can give

[frosty owl]

Wait, what was the question again...?

@lunar pike

[frosty pawn]

@lunar pike we are assuming the fluid production is not limited, but consumption can vary, so we want to prioritise machines that produce the fluid, thereby reducing fluctuation in power draw and making the system more power efficient

ok i got it! producing fuel for fuel generators, put your refineries at different elevations, generators on the ground floor. Say you have 3 floors of refineries, if only one is needed, only the highest floor refinery will be on because all the pipes below that will be full. when more is needed, the middle floor refinery will come on first because again the ground floor pipes are full., only when all 3 refineries are needed does the ground floor refinery come on

[ionic thunder]

Hey there, I’d like to talk about early game meta (for « experienced » players (not 1st game is what I mean))
What are your main milestones ?

[lunar pike]

@frosty pawn was assuming that fluid was not limited, just stating that the valve curbs was coming into it, if you set it to 300 and the input is 600 itll only allow 300 in that direction, cause remember the value is directional

[cunning frigate]

Foundations -> Splitters -> Bee Line for Coal, is what I do, Mathieu.

[lament saddle]

caterium if you stumble on some

[frosty pawn]

@ionic thunder i unlock MAM and advanced melee asap and go hunting

[lament saddle]

dont go into caves

just no

[lunar pike]

@ionic thunder research everything in M.A.M as fast as possible, dont worry about organisation till you finished T7, scrap it all and prep and large factories heading towards nuclear

[lament saddle]

thats until you have at least the rebar gun and plenty of ammo

and a lot of heals

[ionic thunder]

I mean, I did coal->1st factory->quartz MAM but idk if it’s the fastest

thats until you have at least the rebar gun and plenty of ammo
@lament saddle I skipped that one and went straight to the rifle in my 1st game, spideys are too scary to be fought with the rebar gun

[lunar pike]

oh and inbetween that try get as many harddrives as you can from the get go

[lament saddle]

well they can one-shot the small and medium ones

and 2 shot the big ones

[ionic thunder]

I speedrun quartz to get to the radio scanning, which is the condition I set to use the interactive map to get harddrives

[lament saddle]

or just get the ficsit firearms mod

fully automatic 100 round rifle with double damage

[ionic thunder]

There’s so much to do in vanilla (and I’ve so little time to play 😓) that Im not sure I’ll ever try modded

@ionic thunder research everything in M.A.M as fast as possible, dont worry about organisation till you finished T7, scrap it all and prep and large factories heading towards nuclear
@lunar pike I started anew precisely not to commit this « error » (I consider it an error, I’d rather have a beautiful working factory at any time)

[lament saddle]

i started with a simple rectangular prism of a factory

then i added a second floor with windowed walls

and glass foundations

[frosty owl]

I deleted a portion of my base to be able to test stuff with no lags. Took 20s for area action to process that 🤣
But at least it runs smoothly now
#screenshots @frosty pawn @dusky dust @bleak coral

[frosty pawn]

"finish" the game by unlocking all the tiers and enjoying their contents at least once before using mods... that's my plan anyway

but honestly i don't think i will use mods... unless i decide to start making mods myself

[lapis bronze]

If I overclock a foundry with a 45 ipm recipe so that it's now 60 ipm, does it output 60 items per second and only take 45 or do the inputs also become 60 ipm

I'm hoping the latter

[ionic thunder]

The latter

The ratio input:output always remains

[lapis bronze]

Wait so if the ratio is constant then the input should scale with the overclock right

[ionic thunder]

You can only change the speed of execution by over/underclocking

Yes

[lapis bronze]

Ok good

I used the wrong word at the end of my sentence

I was assuming that the game didn't break physics

[ionic thunder]

Actually, if you set the overclock, it will display the input required with overclocking after 1 cycle (idk if I’m understandable there)

[lapis bronze]

Yeah I get it

Even tho I set my dpi super low I can't get it to 60 even

So would it be better to under or overshoot it

[ionic thunder]

you can also click on either items/min or %, and type it yourself 😉

[lapis bronze]

pog

[ionic thunder]

But it’ll very often be .0X or .9X indeed

[lapis bronze]

I just got an alt for reinforced iron plate from iron plates and copper wire so that's p pog

[ionic thunder]

To be noted : energy consumption per speed is exponential, so underclocking is actually quite valuable in some cases (rather underclock than on/off than may create pikes in consumption)

[lapis bronze]

Yep I get the advantage

[ionic thunder]

Actually, I consider using it for every rod production line

Oh but my computer might disagree 😅

[lunar pike]

"finish" the game by unlocking all the tiers and enjoying their contents at least once before using mods... that's my plan anyway
@frosty pawn amen brother, i did exactly that...

[heady zealot]

how 4:5 balancer

nevermind

[wispy cradle]

I'm doing almost anything with walls to avoid future lags. But I saw many of you talking about crash with a lot of objects in the world. Whats the best approach to avoid both problems? Context: Im just doing small factories for specific items and using transport when possible.

[bleak coral]

there's a limits of "u-objects" in the world; an unreal engine thing
each structure is not necessarily one u-object, in fact most are made of many u-objects
foundations and walls are exceedingly simple, so they actually don't contribute much to the u-object limit
also I'm not sure if there's any documentation out there of what contributes most to it, if anyone would know it's the modders

but the limit is also very big, so only if you start building like klepdar and kibitz do you start butting heads with it

and there's work arounds

[slate chasm]

I also heard that if you have a lot of conveyor busses or maybe use a main line bus that covering it helps too. I don't have actual experience with this but it's just a common advice I've seen.

[bleak coral]

putting stuff behind walls doesn't stop it from rendering, the devs have confirmed that

but if you get far enough away it simplifies it, which helps

so like a belt basement away from everything else

[slate chasm]

Oh, that's good to know, thanks. I'm new to the game and only figured out recently pre-planning before starting a setup is a good idea 😅

[muted crypt]

<@&387163995947270144>

happening in multiple channels too

[dark badge]

!FicsitHR ban @knotty rover spamming is bad

[meager kiln]

Banned Camo_boy67#4425 (495333025811398666) (Indefinitely)

[muted crypt]

oh cool someone's responding, sorry for second ping in #satisfactory :C

@wind spade I got bored and made a thing for me to use until you add power consumption to your calculator lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267369658330382337/773345357131546634/unknown.png

used turbofuel as the sample here

you basically just type in all of the machines and their quantities for each of the orange nodes, plus water extractors since they're a constant 120/min at 100% clock speed

[bleak coral]

why not include miners and oil extractors?

[frosty owl]

why not include miners and oil extractors?
@bleak coral Why not pay him for that?

[wind spade]

now we're talking

[muted crypt]

why not include miners and oil extractors?
@bleak coral because node richness (and with miners, the miner tiers) all vary.

[bleak coral]

fair enough

[muted crypt]

something something turbofuel flow chart in progress

[night narwhal]

What are people's suggestions for dealing with the water output when making making aluminium scrap? I've currently got it so the water from extractors + output from scrap = the amount needed to make alumina.

I've let the water pipe back up fully as a test and it seems to be able start up again without any issues.

[bleak coral]

that's the most efficient strategy: recycling the waste water

some people who aren't confident in making a recycling loop will use pure recipes or bottling recipes to sink the waste water, but it's not better than just recycling it

[glacial hemlock]

Or to be safe, separate the pipes between recycled and fresh water and feed them into different refineries

[night narwhal]

some people who aren't confident in making a recycling loop will use pure recipes or bottling recipes to sink the waste water, but it's not better than just recycling it
@bleak coral any advice on how to do this properly?

Currently I have 4 refineries with a pipe connecting all 4, on one end I have the water source and on the other I have the recycled water.

[bleak coral]

If it's already working I wouldn't change it, but also I like kwjcool's idea of just separating the systems better, even if you might need to add an extra refinery to get the numbers right

Better than sinking it I mean, recycling is best if you can get it to work, which it sounds like you did

[night narwhal]

I've designed it so it can kind of be copy pasted for every 240 bauxite I add so I'm aiming to keep it all self contained. We'll see what happens when I add in copper and actually start using the Alcad sheets for stuff.

[boreal cypress]

<@&387163995947270144>

[nimble ore]

Already dealt with

[dull bolt]

That's a good way to get yeeted off the server.

[fierce ruin]

@boreal cypress what happened?

[boreal cypress]

pirate things

[fierce ruin]

honestly satisfactory got me to buy it after like 8hrs on me pirated copy

such a good game

best $44 I spent

honestly first game I've bought in a good few years

[boreal cypress]

you should delete the first sentence :D

[fierce ruin]

no reason to honestly

If there was a demo I'd have no reason to 😄

but alas there is not

[boreal cypress]

alot more games need demos

[silent mortar]

The demo is watching Kibits and Josh utterly destroy frame rate. :p

[dull bolt]

xD

[fierce ruin]

Honestly might just get an RX 6800 just for satisfactory

me poor 5700 XT is already having a bad time

[silent mortar]

It's running okay on medium at 1080 on a four year old 1060 so far. But the bigger the base, the more your cpu will melt into a puddle.

[boreal cypress]

@fierce ruin well GPU isnt the problem in lategame

[fierce ruin]

is satisfactory optimised for multiple cores

might just be the weak single core performance of me 3600 then if so

not sure if I'm in early-game or mid-game yet

https://imgur.com/a/MxUo1sr

[boreal cypress]

still early with coal

fuel is mid and nuclear late

[fierce ruin]

Yeah prepping for fuel just trying to nail the turbofuel and plastic/rubber

Got all the crude oil nodes at the north connected just gotta hook em up to me main base down south

I remember you used to be able to reach Fuel in like a day before the liquid update. Has taken me 2 days to get to coal now.

how come its taken longer?

Well might just be that i havent played since the game came out and i'm getting used to all the stuff still.

[boreal cypress]

well they buffed bio generators

[fierce ruin]

oh shit really

[boreal cypress]

uff not playing since the game come out ... so you have to learn alot of new stuff xD

[fierce ruin]

Bio gens are really good now. I'm running like 10 assemblers on just 7 bio gens.

uff not playing since the game come out ... so you have to learn alot of new stuff xD
@boreal cypress What did they do to the M.A.M? xD

[dull bolt]

IT's a new structure...

[boreal cypress]

some new research stuff :D

[fierce ruin]

I managed to get there. But now it's like a tech tree and stuff.

[boreal cypress]

and no... multiple MAM dont let you speed up research or multiple research

[fierce ruin]

I learnt that the hard way..

[boreal cypress]

and have fun with the AWESOME Shredder and Shop ^^

[fierce ruin]

I'm playing on a map i've never played before though so finding slugs is being tricky.

[dull bolt]

It's the same map tho

[fierce ruin]

and have fun with the AWESOME Shredder and Shop ^^
@boreal cypress The whot?

[dull bolt]

The Sink.

[boreal cypress]

:) you will find out xD

[fierce ruin]

Damn dude this game has so much more content now... you could finish the game in like 3 days if you just went at it really long.

[boreal cypress]

its in t3 I sink

ahh think

[fierce ruin]

I'm not complaining

[glacial hemlock]

@fierce ruin more relying on single core performance

[silent mortar]

You can, however, build a new MAM right next to the crash site, start the hdd scan, and deconstruct it, heading off to the next one.

[boreal cypress]

fluids are nice but pipe ... have fun with them :D and dont forget all the alternate recipes

[fierce ruin]

You can, however, build a new MAM right next to the crash site, start the hdd scan, and deconstruct it, heading off to the next one.
@silent mortar hdd scan? Are you saying i can scan the hud? Didn't really understand what you said haha

@fierce ruin more relying on single core performance
@glacial hemlock hmm I'll probably get a 5th gen Ryzen then in a couple years

[glacial hemlock]

@fierce ruin finish the game? Oh my gosh do you include 100% power slug?

[fierce ruin]

If they ever optimise for multi-thread I'd be set with 11 threads

[boreal cypress]

@fierce ruin the Harddrive you can find in crahssites

[silent mortar]

Sorry, you can loot hard drives from crash sites, then use the MAM to research them for new recipies.

[fierce ruin]

@fierce ruin finish the game? Oh my gosh do you include 100% power slug?
@glacial hemlock Not in everything. But it was easier to get slugs for me before since i used to know where they all were haha.

https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Hard_Drive is useful for seeing the good n bad recipies

Sorry, you can loot hard drives from crash sites, then use the MAM to research them for new recipies.
@silent mortar ohhhh. That's helpful.

[silent mortar]

So instead of dragging it back to the base, you can just build a mam at the site, and be scanning it as you go to the next crash site.

[fierce ruin]

Oh i see. So i can just keep adventuring and getting more hard drives?

[boreal cypress]

yes

[fierce ruin]

Recipes from hard drives aren't pre determined either, the 3 possible recipies you can get from it are decided once you start scanning

So you can save scum pretty easily

[silent mortar]

Yup. Instead of just going back to base and staring down the MAM for hours shouting at it to go faster. 🙂

[fierce ruin]

https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Hard_Drive is useful for seeing the good n bad recipies
@fierce ruin woah. I just kinda clicked whatever recipe's looked interesting.

yeah its updated to in case the devs change how they work

Its so good for planning ahead

damn dude this game became so cool!

And it's like what half done too

still a fair bit to come hopefully

I have no regrets buying this game.

I do regret i didnt wait till it came out on steam though. I baught it the day it came out for early access.

[boreal cypress]

I didnt regret it buying it on Epic ^^ I support the devs ... and bought it on steam too :D

[fierce ruin]

When i have more money i'll buy it on steam aswell. I'm just really broke XD

[native lagoon]

i dont have any games besides free ones 😦

[fierce ruin]

I respect that

[native lagoon]

theres three games i want to buy

fall guys, raft, and astroneer

[fierce ruin]

Fall guys doesnt look that fun to me XD I just play among us.

[native lagoon]

yea

i have among us

[fierce ruin]

Hell yeah. I wanted to get astroneer as well. But then i baught Ark Survival instead and i dont regret it.

[native lagoon]

i like watching satisfactory more than i want to play it

[fierce ruin]

lmao that's a mood. I relate.

[native lagoon]

if theres a game thats free and i dont think its fun i still buy it

[fierce ruin]

I just play cs:go 24/7

[native lagoon]

lol

the election is the definition of stress

(looking at the results)

[fierce ruin]

Damn i haven't checked it out.

[sand garnet]

not sure how this is related to math and meta in satisfactory

[fierce ruin]

It's the math and meta of the inner working of our brains.

[sand garnet]

#off-topic-general

[native lagoon]

lol

[frosty pawn]

I just realised copper alloy ingot recipe is freaking awesome and the unused pure iron node that i have can perfectly balance with the 2 pure copper near it using that recipe

[cosmic hawk]

Copper alloy is amazing

I always use it over the pure copper recipe

[frosty pawn]

50/min copper ore + 25/min iron ore = 100/min copper ingots

[cosmic hawk]

Anything to avoid refineries

[frosty pawn]

thing is i already finished the building for steel using the 3 pure iron ignoring the 4th one right next to them, so this works out perfectly for me. I just ned to bring in more coal

[silent mortar]

Building the 66 refineries to turn two pure caterium nodes into ingots sapped the soul out of me. And it isn't even a complicated build.

[frosty pawn]

@crimson night that's way too many biomass burners, add water to make liquid biofuel and use fuel generators :p

[crimson night]

i'm on a modded save with creative mode

i also have alot of coal

and i have a way to reverse decompose stuff

[bleak coral]

with a mod to turn coal into biomass liquid biofuel would actually be better than normal fuel

[magic flint]

I'm not liking the ratio for encased steel beams. Makes trying to balance my steel factory a nightmare.

[ornate ridge]

Is trying to load balance a nightmare for big bases though?

I just use a manifold and say that is good enough satisfactory 😄

[nova orchid]

Load-balancing becomes imposible later into the game

[wispy cradle]

true

[ornate ridge]

I guess because the splitters and mergers would take up too much space?

[nova orchid]

manifold is the way

I guess because the splitters and mergers would take up too much space?
ratios are a nightmare

even more if you use the pure recipes

[ornate ridge]

Imo load balancing is doable IF you split up your factories into smaller ones

[nova orchid]

and other alternatives

[ornate ridge]

Larger factory nah :/

[wispy cradle]

you dont need @ornate ridge , backpressure works

[ornate ridge]

What is back pressure?

Like an injected manifold?

[wispy cradle]

when you send a belt to 2 places, zones or even factories

and 1 is using just 20%(could be any number bellow 50%)

[ornate ridge]

But doesnt a manifold automatically take care of surplus input? You can just route the last node to a sink or off to another factory

Am confused

[wispy cradle]

at start both belts after split carry 50%. After 1 belt become full and its machines, the split works at 20% 80% ratio

[nova orchid]

well, thats the principle behind manifolds

[ornate ridge]

I think still need to do the math on throughput though

If you end up sinking too much into production the last node might not get anything :/

[wispy cradle]

you just need know the total.

[magic flint]

Been slamming my head into my desk trying to come up with a way to split 150 steel beams/min perfectly into a 60/min line and 48/min line with the rest going to a storage container.

[nova orchid]

Been slamming my head into my desk trying to come up with a way to split 150 steel beams/min perfectly into a 60/min line and 48/min line with the rest going to a storage container.
@magic flint just use manifolds

feed every machine with a single line and eventually it'll balance out

[wispy cradle]

If you end up sinking too much into production the last node might not get anything :/
@ornate ridge last machine underclocked

[ornate ridge]

Dont you mean underclock the first machine in the line?

So the last machine gets resources?

Oh right

[wispy cradle]

or the last, the order doesn't matter

[ornate ridge]

I see what you mean

Ye xD

[wispy cradle]

or in the middle, if you have mental issues. But it works too

[ornate ridge]

Thats a good point I keep forgetting you can underclock production line

I just overclock all my miners lol

[bleak coral]

you can always fenagle your way into load balancing with clockspeed

you just end up adjusting all the machines instead of just the last one, and end with extra machines so you can balance right

I don't do it myself, but it's possible

[ornate ridge]

Theres a mod that lets you check input and output of belts and pipes which is amazing, but that's neither here nor there (:

[silent mortar]

I just set up my base in such a way that if I remove one rotor from the backed up line, a gigawat of power from my entire iron line starting up blows my breaker.

[nova orchid]

lol

[ornate ridge]

Interesting set up lmao

[nova orchid]

That's why i rather sink the excess production

[ornate ridge]

Have you thought of seperating the power supply line from your other machines?

I just have one power line coming to my base from my power stations

Realistically its kinda meme, but practically ingame it makes alot of sense xD

[nova orchid]

i think he meant the entire factory starts running again so the power isn't enough to keep up with demand

[ornate ridge]

Oh i see

So like so machines are idle?

[nova orchid]

yea

[ornate ridge]

Yea

Ive experienced the pain XD

[nova orchid]

havent we all

[ornate ridge]

Its a big fun in the transition phase just after coal too lol

Why did I delete my bio burners ):

Coal power trips is good fun

[worthy copper]

huh, pipeline pumps are currently working even if they arent powered

[fierce ruin]

Actually pumping or just the animation?
If you're on Experimental I think that's a known glitch. At least animationwise.

[worthy copper]

no animation, but actually pumping

and yeah experimental

(right theres a channel for that now)

[pastel brook]

Any videos to explain the math in the game

[mystic umbra]

Try looking up load balancing systems

[fierce ruin]

what is the best spawning place

i think its desert

[mystic umbra]

That depends on personal preference

there really isn't a best spawn location, since each biome is different in its own way. Some biomes have more resources in it, but its harder to navigate, while there might be less in another but much easier to navigate

[jolly holly]

the grassy spawn place is awful in comparison imo

[worthy copper]

grassy spawn is nice until you figure out how to build compact and/or set up foundations to make your own surfaces

then northern forest just becomes op cause it puts you near everything except bauxite

[mystic umbra]

indeed

[cedar mica]

I would say the North-East desert, is better then the grass land

Northern forest, is quite good, but require lots of knowledge to make use of the beginning space

[dense temple]

for making nuclear, for the stators, i'm trying to work out the best way, i've seen one list that was suggested quickwire stators, (7.5 quickwire each) over wire (8 each, but a bit less steel pipeage). and copper ingots using the copper and iron ore recipie, what are peoples recommendations and why certain ones over others?

[glacial hemlock]

I am sure that is not the optimized path. Where you see this?

[dense temple]

on someones spreadsheet, i'm thinking pure copper ingots, but also normal stators, and with caterium wire would be more efficient on both counts

but then theres normal wire and iron wire also,

[glacial hemlock]

Just use any online calculator and that will show you the optimized path

You can try yours, well there are many ways to play the game

[dense temple]

I think the caterium wire is definetly better than quickwire stators, just trying to get my head around how much more copper/iron and i spose water and power i'd need for normal wire or iron wire, the caterium wire is very material efficient, but then if i need that caterium later on... 🙂 im' just trying to avoid too much maths myself

satisfactory calc is saying quickwire stator for some reason

[boreal cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production
@dense temple try this and change recipes you want ^^

[glacial hemlock]

@dense temple when you mention copper ore mix with iron ore, we knew you are not using the optimized recipes

[dense temple]

yeah, so i'm playing around with numbers and hopefully not mucking anything up

but going to pure copper ore, iron wire, and normal stators, i'm using 400 less caterium ore, 600 less iron ore, 1000 less copper ore, for the cost of 300 more coal, 1000 more water and 4000 MW more power

(making the wild assumption that I havn't mucked any calculations up)

[glacial hemlock]

Don't mention water, they are basically free (aside from power consumption)

[dense temple]

yeah, so i'm going for that setup, just wondering weather to go normal network connectors or silicone network connectors, I think its fairly even, and turbomotors seem to use the same amount of both, so I'm not sure if one is better than the other or just pick one and hope i dont run out of that one first

if i go silicone i'll need 2 pure and 2 normal, and theres 3 pure and 1 normal nearby, so that might seal the deal

[glacial hemlock]

silicone circuit board + caterium computer.

[wispy cradle]

I'm building my train network with almost no foundation, just using to pass over small valleys or craters, otherwise I follow the terrain. Is there any strong argument against it?

[boreal cypress]

its up to you so no

[rain olive]

How do you guys handle screws 😦

[ionic thunder]

Casted screws are bae

[boreal cypress]

you get alternate recipe which dont use screws

[rain olive]

yes i know but you basically cannot be 100% effient with screws

because, uh... 12,5/min ingot use

like

[wispy cradle]

multiple belts.

[rain olive]

2x15 reinforced iron plate = 9x20 plates + 10x50 screws
2x15 reinforced iron plate = 270 iron + 125 iron = 395 iron

[boreal cypress]

get stitched IP

[rain olive]

but stitched produces (waay) less per minute

[obsidian sluice]

I use steel screws? but realistically I only consume screws to create copper rotors

[boreal cypress]

well yes, but you dont need screws ^^

[rain olive]

my issue is that looking at alt recipes, the screw one is just better

[obsidian sluice]

stitched iron plate is slower but it's more resource-efficient imo? so I don't mind building more assemblers for it

[rain olive]

but i dunno how to get over the 12,5/min usage lol

[boreal cypress]

every alternate have it costs... more power, less items per minute, more expensive but faster

[rain olive]

its not more resource-efficient iirc

like i did calcs on screws

cast screws are superior every way over rods lol

[boreal cypress]

its more resource efficient but more expensive with power

[rain olive]

nope

surprisingly

[boreal cypress]

i mean stitched IPs

[rain olive]

oh i think its neither

its just more convenient

[obsidian sluice]

I meant that SIPs use 10/3 iron plates per RIP, while base RIPs use 5 iron plates per RIP

[rain olive]

thats true but

90 plates + 250 screws -> 15 reinforced - 60 sec (min)

this alt recipe is just

[obsidian sluice]

wire can also be substituted for iron wire, but I generally have enough copper to go around

[rain olive]

too good

like compare it to standard

[obsidian sluice]

to each our own I guess 😛

[rain olive]

30 plates + 60 screws -> 5 reinforced - 60 sec (min)

you pay extra 70 screws to use 1 constructor instead of 3.

[obsidian sluice]

are you referring to bolted iron plate? that's the one that uses more screws

[rain olive]

ye. its just superior xd

[obsidian sluice]

stitched iron plate substitutes screws for wire

[rain olive]

ye ik

but cast screws + bolted is just...

[obsidian sluice]

ohhh I think SIP is better than base RIP, but I haven't done the math to figure out where I'd rank BIP

[boreal cypress]

bolted iron plate produce faster yes, but need more screws than 3 normal RIP

[obsidian sluice]

but pure iron + solid steel + steel screw should produce screws at a more resource-efficient rate at the cost of a TON of power

so there might be people who'd prefer BIP over RIP in some weird niche situations

idk I use SIP and steeled frame just so that I can avoid manufacturing screws 😛

[boreal cypress]

screw screws

[wind spade]

[boreal cypress]

hi greeny

[wispy cradle]

Whats is the late game quartz use ratio? Silica and Crystal quartz.

[boreal cypress]

2:1 ... but always depends on recipes

[wispy cradle]

all enabled

[boreal cypress]

you use more silica than quartz

[wispy cradle]

Thank you @boreal cypress.

[worthy copper]

cast screws+bolted?
Let me introduce you to iron wire+stitched

[fierce ruin]

true chads use steel screw and bolted

[wind spade]

use steel rods + normal screws if you really want to go screws

[fierce ruin]

is the steel:screw ratio better?

[wind spade]

less coal, less water, less iron

[cedar mica]

Steel Rods + Pure Copper + Steamed Copper Sheet, for Copper Rotor, is quite resource efficient.

[wind spade]

steel screws are even worse than casted screws

[cedar mica]

You dont need to mass produce Steel Beams, after you are done with Versatile Framework. After that its just used for manual building, so 1-2 machines is enough

[night jay]

I just got to basic steel production on a new world with a friend and Im gonna try this blueprint out. Thoughts?

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=r9DkoxFNNTLMlalRmzDk

[fierce ruin]

yeah this is good

[worthy copper]

yeah steel screw gives 52 screws for 4 steel ingots, steel rod->normal screw gives 64 screws for 4 ingots

steel screws just nice for the 270/min out of one constructor

[fierce ruin]

damn

[worthy copper]

but what's better than all of this is not needing screws at all

[spiral carbon]

Hi can anyone assist me working out how many coal gens i can connect to a pure coal node with a Mk.2 Overclocked please?

[dusky dust]

Each gen takes 15 coal/min. So take the output rate of the miner and divide by 15

[spiral carbon]

Thank you 🙂

[muted crypt]

😔 I feel like this flowchart for turbofuel looks like garbage.

steel screws just nice for the 270/min out of one constructor
@worthy copper 260

[worthy copper]

...close enough.
Screw screws

and its coz it is, waaaay more shit than needs to be done for turbofuel

[muted crypt]

I just wanted to make a flow chart that looks nice 😭

could be much nicer if I had like

mk2 pipes and mk5 belts

[worthy copper]

This is the setup I JUST did, compacted coal was done offsite

[muted crypt]

which this diagram implicitly displays the mk5 belts

I mean I have a setup in another save

but that only uses 225 crude/min

it takes in 300 but then a quarter of the HOR is just turned into petroleum coke and tossed into a sink

[worthy copper]

packaged water is pulled out/inserted at both sides, water extractors are placed underneath

like i appreciate manifolding but abusing the 1:1s is so good

[muted crypt]

yeah I did the 1:1:1 where possible here

I think I remember why I worked with 225 crude

the numbers are just nicer

[worthy copper]

ahh it looks like the flowchart does do the 1:1 for package->dilute->unpackage but in a different order
and it doesnt 1:1 (really 1:1.4) the HOR->dilute as a result

[muted crypt]

oh no

I guess I could set it up like that..

but it just seems difficult, given that 1:1.4 you mentioned lol

[worthy copper]

basically just put 2 extra refineries on both sides and they can all link to the same pipe

[muted crypt]

eh yeah good point

[worthy copper]

cause it doesnt choke at any point still (thank GOD)

[muted crypt]

this diagram could probably be smaller if I resized pipe junctions, splitters and mergers

welp fuck it time to make a second diagram

[worthy copper]

oh that was your flowchart i dissed. rip. I thought it was just pulled from somewhere.

[muted crypt]

no

I'm not mad

I appreciate criticism

plus this is giving me something to do while I painstakingly idle to unlock t7

[worthy copper]

yee, optimizing is great. I could just afford to be a little less crass lol

[muted crypt]

since I'm trying to unlock t7 anyway I may as well set this up to work with mk2 pipes in mind, seeing as I already set it up to take into account mk5 belts.....

that's part of why this is as overly complex as it is tbh

[worthy copper]

yeah, the way i set mine up doesnt particularly benefit from mk2 pipes in any way. Part of that is cause it was specifically built for mk1 pipes but i like how it manages the edge/middle connections to deal with it

[muted crypt]

ye I do too

[worthy copper]

its nice and (mostly) square

on the other hand the numbers are juuust awkward enough for a mk2 pipe, 800 fuel and 666 turbofuel (for 300 crude, hence the 225 working better)

[muted crypt]

right

[carmine stump]

Is it just me or does everything that involves refineries need massive amounts of them and a lot of space?

[night jay]

@carmine stump Welcome to mid/late game. Hope you packed your concrete platforms.

[carmine stump]

Just did 3 HOR refineries yesterday and had like 27 refineries in the end to get it all going. Not even doing a full pipe oO

[jolly holly]

i have a full biome covered by a massive platform just for refineries and stuff

for my plastic/circuit board/rubber production

and then here are the oil islands with no drop of sunlight anywhere near it

[whole geode]

😔 I feel like this flowchart for turbofuel looks like garbage.
@muted crypt NGL that looks like a shit ton of Logic Gates

[muted crypt]

Nah just flow chart

But I see what you mean

[ornate ridge]

Ive heard the ratio 3 water gen to 8 coal , but what is the general ratio of refineries to fuel generators?

[wind spade]

Depends on a recipe and type of fuel

[ornate ridge]

Say if using default clock speed and residual fuel recipe?

[wind spade]

residual fuel = 40/min
fuel gen consumption = 15/min
so 3:8

[ornate ridge]

Hmm that comes out nicely neat

[bleak coral]

residual fuel gives less energy than petroleum coke though

if you want fuel, make it directly or through diluted fuel

[ornate ridge]

Hmm ye wasnt sure what to make with my residual fuel after making plastics and rubber

Using the default recipes rn, any good alternative?

[bleak coral]

just make it petro coke and burn that, and let it overflow into a sink

[wind spade]

heavy oil residue -> diluted packaged fuel ( -> recycled plastic/rubber)