#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 469

muted crypt Aug 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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😩 oh god

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worthy copper Aug 10, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Just a few refineries

muted crypt Aug 10, 2020, 11:47 PM

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decided that I want to do 30 nuclear fuel rods per minute

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but to do that I need to get my updated factory going

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so I can have alclads, supercomputers and turbo motors more easily accessible to me

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Do you need 150 power plants in your life? Dats a lot of power

nimble tree Aug 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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there is no such thing as tooo much power just watch the frame rates drop its glorious! hehe

scenic jasper Aug 11, 2020, 1:20 AM

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what is the best Steel ingot recipe, alts included

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:21 AM

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I vote for solid steel.

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30% increase in output. Only extra step is ingots. Easy.
Benefit over coke steel is you dont have to hassle with oil by products.

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And compacted steel needs sulfur, which already has so many other uses.

scenic jasper Aug 11, 2020, 1:23 AM

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@hot ginkgo what about Iron ingots, best recipe?

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Pure for the sheer output. But me personally, I'm not building large enough to need to worry about maximizing iron.

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There's already so much iron on the map.

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70k potential max iron ore. That's a lot of iron.

spring grove Aug 11, 2020, 1:27 AM

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There's never enough iron for screws.......

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I expect my steel production to be like 80/20 solid steel and compacted steel

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reserve enough sulphur to max out nuclear fuel rod production and the rest goes to compacted coal into compacted steel

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cause that lets me make more steel overall because its more coal-efficient (obviously ill need a box full of nobelisks but thats not constant consumption)

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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With pure iron you could turn 70k ore into 130k ingots.

Is that enough screws @spring grove?

spring grove Aug 11, 2020, 1:31 AM

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nope

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never enough screws....

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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522k screws.

spring grove Aug 11, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I mean, I need to make at least 2k computers/min

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otherwise, is it really a mega-factory?

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 1:33 AM

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well, there are alt recipes for that

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Nah, use caterium computer.

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Or even crystal.

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Really either one is good because no screws

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 1:36 AM

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ooh im looking at recipes for nuclear fuel rods and im noticing i can make beacons entirely with iron

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Sure the hell can.

scenic jasper Aug 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Electrode Aluminum Scrap, or Aluminum Scrap

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Electrode

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Well

scenic jasper Aug 11, 2020, 1:38 AM

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big difference?

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Thats a personal preference.

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I just don't want to deal with oil.

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I yhinm it has all the same numbers. Just less per machine.

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One sec.

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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if youre strapped for aluminum the electrode recipe is more efficient aluminum-wise

scenic jasper Aug 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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i'm looking to max out my aluminum production

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 1:40 AM

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yeah youll want the electrode recipe then, youll need more machinery to use it but itll get you more aluminum out of each node

short perch Aug 11, 2020, 2:31 AM

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I posted a screenshot above for an aluminum factory with electrode aluminum

fierce ruin Aug 11, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Nah, don't do that one, it's not balanced properly so it sucks. You want 9 refineries making al solution and 8 electrode refineries, then you can backfeed all the water into 3 of the refineries and boost it with a single water extractior at exactly 50%

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Do that 12 times and that takes care of 7560 (7650? Something like that) bauxite. Then make a special set of a few refineries to do the extra couple hundred bauxite where the water is converted to wet concrete and sunk.

terse prism Aug 11, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Then convert all that sweet sweet aluminium into turbomotors?

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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you dont need a 9 raw water->3 recycled water if you arrange your extractors and refineries a certain way (I could spoil it, but whats the fun in that?)

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if you rig it all to one pipe network such that the recycled water is used up first

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I know this is possible because i've been sinking plates off a setup that does this and it doesnt ever clog

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and it makes the setup much more extendable because you dont have the delicate balancing to do, was nice cause i got to rig it for 1200 bauxite/min for once we get t6 belts

stuck pivot Aug 11, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Does a coal power plant power more then a biomass burner?

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If so by how much?

worthy copper Aug 11, 2020, 5:52 AM

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the power gens should list their output in the build menu

eager solar Aug 11, 2020, 5:57 AM

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8 coal gens is 600MW

vestal otter Aug 11, 2020, 6:05 AM

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make coal. better than bio

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 7:48 AM

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hmm wierd... i got 18 fuel gen consuming 15 each = 240 per min, i have 4 fuel producers 40 each = 160 per min, my buffer isnt going down, im going to assume its because i have 50% more capacity than i need ?

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aaaaah 35% efficient so 35% of 15m3 = 5.25m3 per min consumed

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and those who said we didnt need math in school were morons

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k so 18 gens at 37% only consume 88.8m3 per min wicked i can add around 10 more

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 8:13 AM

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@lunar pike generators only use as much fuel as is needed for your power consumption. If you'd use more power, you'll use more fuel

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On max power usage they use 15/min, so you can only have 18 gens from 240 fuel

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Or 10.66 gens from 160 fuel

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:05 AM

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@wind spade ye so im going to use efficiency to calculate my requirements and not max, besides setting the Gens to max consumes more resources, so i always make sure i have 50%+ capacity on power if it gets too 60% i have more power generation

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:06 AM

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setting gens to max doesn't consume more resources

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you always get the same amount of power from 1 fuel, no matter if you use 1% or 100% of your capacity

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:07 AM

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not what i ment

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let me rephrase... id rather have the generator operating at 30% eff. than at 100% due to resource consumption 😛

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:11 AM

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but, if you have generators at 30% eff, then you also have 3.33 times more generators, so in total they eat the same amount of resources

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:12 AM

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the more power you add the less resources it chews...

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my buffers dont lie, or do they LOL

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Its still exactly the same as with less generators

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2 generators at 50% consume as much as a gen at 100%

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:21 AM

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exactly

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no matter how many gens you build, you'll still use the same amount of resources in total

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:22 AM

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30 gens 15m3 @ 100% = 450m3 per min
30 gens 15m3 @ 50%(7.5m3) = 225m3 per min "good for 1 pipe" x 30 gens...
im not challanging the math on percentage... im going on how little to how much per node etc etc... then also taking into account the method in which you generate the fuel needed for those generators, its a daisy chain on balance V production... etc etc....

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:22 AM

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you forgot to take your consumption into account

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if you only consume 50% of your power capacity, then you'll only consume 50% of the fuel

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:23 AM

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nope i have a pretty excel sheet, prod v consu c prod

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another way to put it is, the crude oil used to create the fuel isnt just being used for fuel, balance 😛

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:26 AM

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for your example:
30 gens 15m3 running at 100% capacity = 450m3/min, produces 4500 MW
30 gens 15m3 running at 50% capacity = 225m3/min, produces 2250 MW

if you only consume 2250 MW, then your 30 gens will only run at 50% capacity.

Also, keep in mind that "running at 50% capacity" isn't the same as "underclocked to 50%"

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but if you only consume 2250 MW and you have 15 gens, they will run at 100% capacity, while still eating only 225 m3 of fuel/min

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if you consume 2250 MW and you have 60 gens, they will run at 25% capacity, but still eating 225m3 fuel/min

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no matter how many gens you have or on how much % of capacity they are running, they will still consume 225m3 fuel/min, if you consume 2250 MW

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number of generators and their OC values don't matter at all in your final power production and fuel consumption (as long as they can produce that amount of power in total).

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that's why you should always build gens in a way that you can feed them all at 100% capacity (15m3 fuel/min)

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:30 AM

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yes at 100% @tidal ember

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with them being lower to 50% you have time...

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true, hence the keep them to 50% or below, that way that graph in power gen, even though it waves, it wont trip

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and you can go back and flatten out the production

chilly wigeon Aug 11, 2020, 9:31 AM

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JUST MAKE FLAT GRID

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I dont think you understand how power works in this game

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:31 AM

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tom i do

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:32 AM

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@lunar pike I don't think you understand what are we telling you.

So let's start from the begining, please answer this question:
Would you be able to run all your generators at max capacity? (15m3 fuel/min each)

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:33 AM

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in all this converstaion, percentage is global i know that but im just saying in my personal pref dont run gen at 100%, cause shit can happen, where as running them at 30% or 50% gives a person time to adjust things

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Greeny i know consumption, is the same across the board, my pref, is i want to time adjust things, rather then it tripped cause i was to lazy to check the grid before adding more 😛

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 9:34 AM

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that doesnt really answer his question

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:35 AM

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I wanted a simple yes/no

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:35 AM

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no i wouldnt because i run other things off the main lines too

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:36 AM

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so the point of building gens to be able to run them at 100% capacity is to actually see how many % of the capacity are you actually using

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while in your case you don't know that and you have to rely on the fact that your buffers would save you

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:37 AM

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nope

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buffers are there for show...

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i can remove them

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:38 AM

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doesn't change my point

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you don't know if you have enough fuel or not

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:38 AM

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hmm i do

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:38 AM

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while if your gens are built to last at 100% capacity, you can clearly see it from the graph

eager solar Aug 11, 2020, 9:39 AM

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the point of building the exact amount of gens is to know precisely how close you are to your grid shutting down, building more will just make the numbers on the graph inaccurate and you will just guesstimate how close you are to the blown fuse, so you're just losing precision

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for no benefits

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:40 AM

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guys gusy, wow... personal pref, lets use that... and on point of blowing fuse havent had one yet, due too my setup 😛

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:40 AM

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not due to your setup, but due to the fact that you never used more than 100% of your capacity

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:40 AM

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same thing lol

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:40 AM

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in both your and mine setup, your fuse will blow at the same time

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so don't say "due to my setup, it didn't blow"

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because that's misleading

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:41 AM

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kk, whats your production usage and your capacity ?

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:41 AM

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irrelevant

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:42 AM

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oh come on please

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:42 AM

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no matter what you build, you'll still use the same amount of fuel

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:42 AM

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i know that

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:42 AM

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then why do you claim that your setup does something more than my setup?

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:42 AM

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never did

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 9:43 AM

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and on point of blowing fuse havent had one yet, due too my setup

lunar pike Aug 11, 2020, 9:43 AM

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yes to me own not mentioning others...

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 1:06 PM

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PSA: supercomputer isn't the 2nd most valuable item sink-points-wise

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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had to look it up

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thats an interesting one.

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its the second most valuable one you can automate, at least

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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yeah 😄

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top 5 valuable items:

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actually from 20 most valuable items, 8 are equippment items that you can't automate

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 1:15 PM

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i wonder why

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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idk. Normal recipes double the point value of ingredients

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maybe it's the same for equippment and just the items are made from a lot of mats, so it sums up?

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at least for hazmat suit it seems it's true

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it's (sum of sink points of ingredients) * 2

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so I guess it's just because they are made from a lot of materials

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 1:26 PM

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yeah guess so

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the problem is that for handcrafted items, it encourages more handcrafting

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 1:27 PM

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well technically you get the same % increase of points

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as if you'd sink supercomputers or whatever

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 1:50 PM

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you cant automate hazmat suits? that saddens me a bit

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 2:02 PM

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you can't, sadly

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 2:36 PM

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@wind spade re: pipe laod balancing, it looks like for alt hot+diluted fuel I need 10 refineries -> 13.33. I was trying to figure out easiest way to ensure maximum hor usage when the last refinery is at 33% underclock

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i could use a supplemental pipe, or split the pipes haflway and underclock all refineries evenly...maybe

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 2:37 PM

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if you need two pipes, just merge 5 refineries into each pipe and then 6.66 refineries from each pipe

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 2:39 PM

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so two refineries would need to be underclocked instead of just one for that. but yeah that works

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 2:42 PM

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yeah, but you don't bother with pipe balancing that way 😛

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and pipe mechanics are still a big unknown

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so who knows if it works or not

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so it's better to have isolated systems

eager solar Aug 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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if you need several pipes, just do it like you'd do an injected manifold

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I feel bad for people who have like 8+ pipe systems then

eager solar Aug 11, 2020, 2:54 PM

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most of the time you can subdivide it in smaller parts, also sometimes you can have a perfect ratio between input/output and don't have to make complicated operations

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 2:58 PM

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that works as long as they dont have uncertain scaling increase down the road

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eg. distributing refineries per node instead of centralizing

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geez if/when pipes mk2 come out we are all going to be rebuilding our refinery factories like mad

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 3:26 PM

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So whatcha guys think? compacted steel ingot, or solid steel ingot? compacted is super efficient for coal but uses sulfur

sand garnet Aug 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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solid steel ingot, no doubt

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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sulfur often has more valuable uses elsewhere like for turbo fuel

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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kk that's what I was thinking. Next project will be large-scale, modularized, centralized iron and steel ingot factory off of my new railway

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 3:33 PM

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@wind spade How does your site give priority to a recipe? Assuming everything is available. Does it go off lowest resource use?

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 3:33 PM

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lowest weighted resource use

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weighted by their amount on the map

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Hmm. Okay.

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 3:54 PM

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oh no, bando is back

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Just on break at work. Clowning around either super computer and turbo motor set ups. Trying to decide efficiency vs convenience.

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 3:58 PM

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lol you're over there designing super computer factories. I'm over here deciding on an efficient iron ingot

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Hey, I'm also redesigning my iron production. Never forget thr basics.

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 3:59 PM

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use the pure ingot alt 😛

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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haha yea that's what I'm thinking. I need a good modular design that makes efficient use of resources, is train based, and modular, so I can just build an additional module whenever I run low on ingots

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@wind spade yea, I'm going to build it on the south eastern lake

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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@pine rapids oldshavingfoam on reddit has a lot of good stackable designs. And of course you can always rely on the good ol' manifold to modularize horizontally

glacial geyser Aug 11, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Are refineries for things like “steamed copper sheets” more efficient than constructors?

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@lucid sonnet oh he does, that's cool. Thanks man

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@glacial geyser the refinery alts are generally really good. I'm going to use them for copper and iron ingots as well

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 5:11 PM

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The only downside is the increased power use, and the sheer size of those refineries. Both easily workable.

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 5:26 PM

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stacklable refinery layouts are 😆 because of their size

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you see a 160 meter tower. "how many refineries are in that?" "6"

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ok, technically 5

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:35 PM

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haha that's how my power plant is. 8 floors, 200 meters

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 5:37 PM

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screenshots or its not real

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:40 PM

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haha can do, but you'll have to trust me till tonight

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I'm starting to call this game satisfinery.

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:40 PM

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lol so true

snow lodge Aug 11, 2020, 5:41 PM

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how much turbo fuel/m does one fuel generator use?

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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4.5

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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4.5/min at max power consumption

snow lodge Aug 11, 2020, 5:44 PM

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thank you

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 5:45 PM

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As I start doing alclad sheets, and starting to up plastic and rubber production. Im realize that 22GW isn't really all that much

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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lol nope. So the question is... do you build a second 22GW stack, or do you hold your breath and try to reach nuclear?

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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That is really a fun question.

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Either way I need super computers. I'm currently hand feeding bins.

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And that's poo.

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:47 PM

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lol yea

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although for super computers it could be temporarily somewhat ok... a stack of super computers can go a long way

hot ginkgo Aug 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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200 will get me 100GW worth of nuclear plants. Hmm...

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i had the same problem with computers and gunning for trains

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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haha I'm still there man. I started building my trans-continental railway while still hand feeding my computer manufacturer. I have like 3-4 full stacks of computers though, so... trains!

short perch Aug 11, 2020, 5:59 PM

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@fierce ruin Don't be toxic. You were looking at the wrong one. I posted the snip from greeny's calc on the factory you're referencing. It's 630 bauxite/min input.

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@pine rapids the biggest thing for me is that I wanted to jump immediately silica circuit boards but my silica is so freaking far away

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and I tried vehicles...I really did...

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I think since I got trains, I'm going to start over again. Build a separate, modular factory for each resource type (like a kilometer apart), and I'll toss a few thousand plastic into the storage feeding my computer manuafacturer every time I swing by my base haha

lucid sonnet Aug 11, 2020, 6:26 PM

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heh

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I was doing one modular building per resource but im shifting slightly to inlining most things that produce more than their input, eg. screws, wire, quickwire etc

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I also may producre steamed copper sheets offsite soon

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otherwise though I like the building per resource type. and throwing all belts underneath out of sight

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I'm hoping that trains will mostly solve the shipping problem, so it won't be a huge issue for me if for instance I need a lot of motors but my motor factory is 10KM away

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Do you think if I build this, my computer will break Instantly or in a few minutes?

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elfin oracle Aug 11, 2020, 6:30 PM

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What kinda computer do you have

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Also do you have 10 hours

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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My computer is awful, but works on high settings

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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I'm not sure what's more dangerous there. The lag or the radiation

elfin oracle Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Yea

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Radiation not problem

elfin oracle Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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I have no idea

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Suit?

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Or it doesn't work

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I wish I could use my supercomputers to help run the game

elfin oracle Aug 11, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I’ve never gotten past tier 6 soooooo

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Ha

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I wish I could use my supercomputers to help run the game
@pine rapids I have laptop On these cases

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He works on ultra settings on tier 6

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And there are already a lot of buildings at that time

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:34 PM

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My laptop is fine on ultra at tier 6, but... What i have now is a total joke compared to what’s coming

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I'm more afraid for the egg that will be fried on my computer at this time, suddenly burn

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Haha

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Maybe it will have to be watered, although it will evaporate instantly

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The first time I passed to the space elevator of the first phase in 40 hours (I know a lot), and now in 6 hours has already opened the first phase, Right now on the 5th and 6th

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yea it definitely gets faster after your first playthrough. I’m thinking if I did it again though it might get a little slower... cause id be trying to overbuild everything

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:45 PM

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I spent the first 20 hours on plugging in wires and stuff.

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And then a lot of hours of crafting, who is your Automotization?

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I have my hands.

pine rapids Aug 11, 2020, 6:51 PM

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The other day I finally walked two kilometers to the nearest quartz, then spent like 2 hours feeding a single bioburner to power a bunch of refineries and make a couple of stacks of oscillators

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I’m not sure why but it was freaking a lot of fun. That bioburner was a beast

cyan wing Aug 11, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I'm was walking Near, Because of the monsters, I was afraid of me and thought that with one blow they would kill me, so they did not go further than their base, and then went for the coal went, it was terrible, first one rockoppendra will come out, then the second,, uh

muted crypt Aug 11, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Anyone have the 900 plastic/rubber setup diagram on hand?

wind spade Aug 11, 2020, 11:28 PM

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@muted crypt this? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=j3YT7KLJsJyg9idOXssx

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

muted crypt Aug 11, 2020, 11:29 PM

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yeah that, I couldn't remember what recipes I needed

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ty

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I'm thinking of doing a very spread out game as a sort of self-imposed challenge, mostly using trains to shuttle stuff around. I'm curious what you folks might suggest in terms of splitting up production. Like what things to mainly ship out on the rails, and what to just produce locally =|a

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Everything locally, ship final products to storage

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Agreed. Thats what I do.

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My storage facility is far off from my production. And most of my production is separated into buildings that are fairly spaced in the norygweat.

scenic jasper Aug 12, 2020, 12:43 AM

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does anyone have the diagram for the 900 rubber/plastic

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Scroll up.

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Its like 5 messages above.

scenic jasper Aug 12, 2020, 12:45 AM

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you should be a dev=)

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Man, I hardly have time to poop.

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Plus I work on factories. I couldn't make a game. Not in my skillset.

faint pike Aug 12, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Who better to run the balancing team?

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 12:49 AM

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I do work on blow/extrusion molding machines. I'll balance the packaging recipes.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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What is the most efficient thing to sink?

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Thoughts on this balanced refinery setup?

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=TyPWakH2LMIdkyuMHF3W

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viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:08 AM

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why not use the resin?

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

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😄

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:09 AM

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nvm your using it for the fibers

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I use the resin for my plastic and rubber TBH

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Does anything even use cloth? Like regularly?

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Filters for gas and radiation.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:10 AM

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I would have a set up that feeds resin into all 3 and overflows back into the line so you dont have a back up

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that way you can adjust how much of each you need

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:11 AM

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I mean, I could just sink excess fabric if it gets to that. But I intend to build an armory facility to produce ammo, beacons, filters, nobelisk, etc this time.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I mean sink is OK, but I try to recycle when I can

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For example this is my aluminum

📎 unknown.png

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I get extra parts that I recycle back into the process

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:14 AM

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I have not the slightest idea what comparison you're trying to make.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:14 AM

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You make extra silica when making scrap

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but you can use it in the process

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even if you dont need to

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so instead of just sinking it, I add it back in

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Yeah, sure, everyone does that. What's that got to do with spending resin on fabric instead of rubber or plastic?

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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you said you would sink your extra fabric

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Yeah, like, if the container is full.

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Smart Splitter with overflow.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:15 AM

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right, so why not just make it so that instead it goes to plastic production?

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You know, use the whole buffalo

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:16 AM

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If I needed to do that I could just switch the recipe in the existing refinery? I'm not sure I understand.

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I intend to use the fabric.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:16 AM

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its automated

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it self ballances

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Yeah but are you saying have additional foundries that you just overflow resin to?

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And to be honest, with 400 plastic/rubber production, I'm gonna have way more excess of that than I would of the fabric.

worthy copper Aug 12, 2020, 3:26 AM

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arent turbomotors the best for sinking because they have the most steps to make?

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 3:29 AM

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I guess that depends on if the time and materials to make it are properly reflected in the sink value.

viscid shadow Aug 12, 2020, 3:30 AM

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There is a chart for points, it also depends on how fast you can make them

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I haven't tested it out though

muted crypt Aug 12, 2020, 4:24 AM

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I have no idea why SCIM is telling me I need ~1800 rubber per minute

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genuinely no clue why

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oh wait...

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I had silicone AND electrode circuit boards selected
dropped my rubber down to 397.5/min

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I dont know why but i have a hard time thinking about pipes properly

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especially when it comes to input-output balancing

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I hear they are omnidirectional, but the flow gauges are directional

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so like does it matter where I place pipe junctions or not, assuming no vertical difference across pipes?

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in my case Im balancing 14 inputs -> 3 outputs

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:22 PM

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the flow guages arent directional

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they can go either way

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the pipeline pumps ARE directional

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:23 PM

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ahh so the wiki may not be accurate
"Flow direction: Indicated by the pattern of the pulses. The first ring that expands indicates the fluid is flowing from that direction. The fluid flows towards the 3rd ring."

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Thats accurate

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:24 PM

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no the wiki is correct

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its just that the pattern can go either direction

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if the flow is from right to left, so are the pulses

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:24 PM

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gotcha. but like once the pattern is established, liquid cannot "backflow"

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:25 PM

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if the flow is from left to right, so are the pulses.

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:25 PM

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so like if i ahv 14 mahcines and i junction after #7, and feed that into a refinery, the other 7 dont feed into that?

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:25 PM

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it can, it depends on if stuff shuts down etc

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and depends on where you buuld

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build*

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:26 PM

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The liquid will flatten itself out

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:27 PM

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so in this case im building off the coast, less than 10 meters vertical elevation anywhere

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:29 PM

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As long as you dont hit that 300 limit anywhere it sorts itself out

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:30 PM

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800 m3 total, so I need 3 pipes output to feed into my generators. I was thinking of slapping two junctions between the three output pipes at the begining of the pipe manifold

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so the refineries output to one pipe, that is already junctioned to the other two, before the first machine's output

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Just a side note about the flow indicator, I have watched many of them abruptly switch directions

stark bronze Aug 12, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Thats because they never flattens out

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 2:32 PM

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My best example is on recylced water loop coming from aluminum production.

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:32 PM

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so what I am hearing is that as long as al lthree pipes are junctioned before the are used as input, I am good?

stark bronze Aug 12, 2020, 2:32 PM

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If you have a 400 buffer and a 100 buffer connected with pipes they will constantly change between 400 and 100

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Also does the indicator show exit rate

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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@lucid sonnet why do you need to connect the 3?

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I essntially want to balance 14 inputs : 54 outputs

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at about 800m3

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and I didnt want to calculate like "which input machines go to which pipes?"

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Oh, so one line may have overflow that you want to redirect to the others thst may have not enough

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:40 PM

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yeah. same principle behind load balancing: I want to abstract potential uneven input from even output

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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You should be fine as long as there is no point in any of the 3 lines giving or taking more than 300

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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thanks!

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:45 PM

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And if you do, throw a junction before that

chilly wigeon Aug 12, 2020, 2:47 PM

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is it worth building some big plastic/rubber production lines without alternative recipes?

viscid crown Aug 12, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Not sure if this is the right area to ask this but does anyone have a simple yet efficient (100% pref) modular frame setup? Can use alt recipes if need be. Just looking to make around 10\m....

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@stable siren each line should be about 266.667 being used

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@chilly wigeon define big?

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:48 PM

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@viscid crown what alts do you have

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https://satisfactorytools.com should help you@viscid crown

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A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

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you can select the recipes and items you want to use in the calculator

chilly wigeon Aug 12, 2020, 2:49 PM

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@lucid sonnet I need like 2k plastic

lucid sonnet Aug 12, 2020, 2:49 PM

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so I guess it depends on your oil node availability

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2k may be tricky to do without accessing many oil nodes, but im not sure without mathing it out

stable siren Aug 12, 2020, 2:50 PM

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The first part of the plastic and rubber factories use the original recipe anyway

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The later parts use the alts so you can just add those on later if needed or just use fuel gens

glacial hemlock Aug 12, 2020, 2:57 PM

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I see someone has problem with pipes...

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📎 Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

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📎 Coal_generator_pipe_analysis.png

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this is one of the example. Fluid flow in pipes will automatically even themselves out, and you don't have to worry about their directions.

viscid crown Aug 12, 2020, 3:31 PM

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@sand garnet yeah I use that often. Was more wondering what alt recipes people used themselves for a better idea. Im building vertical assemblies and trying to do a layout in my head

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I like using the 'steeled frame' alt

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because that also lets me set up the entire chain for heavy modular frame with fewer recipes

viscid crown Aug 12, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Ok ill look into it

terse prism Aug 12, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I use that pipe 'trick' as often as I can. If the water extractors are on the same bus that water is removed from, the 300/m3s isn't a limitation because it never hits that on a single pipe... it's when the transport is a point a to point b that it becomes a problem. I typically use two pipes regardless and loop the ends just in case there is a balance issue later on (or transiently).

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Is the list of useful alternate recipes on the wiki recent? Been pondering which to plug into this calculator and start my planning =|a

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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if you plug them to my tool, it'll pick those that are useful for you 😉

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so you can just pick all that you have

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and the tool will automatically choose those that lead to lowest resource consumption

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Which one's yours? Satisfactory Tools?

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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about the wiki list, I'm not sure. Because it can be edited by anyone, I remember it was sometimes a bit opinionated

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yeah, https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Ah yeah, that's the one I'm using. Mostly 'cause I can split it into separate factories, since I'm in the mood to do a self-imposed challenge of a widely spread game with distinct factories.

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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then you shouldn't worry about what recipe is good or bad and just choose any you have 😉 you can also remove recipes you don't want to use (even the basic ones) or disable resources that you don't want to use (sometimes the tool recommends e.g. reinforced plates with oil, which are technically most resource efficient, but some people don't want to waste oil on those)

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Greeny have you considered adding an option for 'simplified build' with recipes that work well together but arent optimal as far as resources?

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Yeah, that's the sort of thing I'm looking for atm.

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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all recipes work well together 🤔

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Example of this is using steel rotors and regular stators

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Same items used in both

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:34 PM

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this sounds like something that can be a lot opinionated

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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I'm assuming the math is skewed towards most output for least input?

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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in "items/min" mode, it just does least input for that amount of output

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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It would be a 'lazy player' checkbox or something lol

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:35 PM

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and resources are weighted, so oil is "rarer" than iron for example

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Right but that can lead to the use of pure recipes for example

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@sand garnet I'm not sure that you can mathematically describe "working well together"

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I cant be arsed to set those up for example

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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well then you can disable them 😛

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or disable water usage

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@sand garnet I think in those situations, you can disable them, yeah

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Well, in the case of motors, working well= using same materials for both sub parts

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I mean that could be described as "use the least amount of different resources through your production line", but I'm not really sure if that would be something that will work nicely or just return crap setups just to get rid of one more resource

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:38 PM

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I dont know the result for heavy modular frame but steeled frame, solid steel ingot, encased iron pipes and heavy encased frame are great in that combination

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As it simplifies the stuff you need to make

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I guess in the case when player wants a certain combination of recipes (because he knows they work together nicely), he needs to select only those recipes 😉

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Only extra thing is RIP

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Yea but what if youre a casual player without that knowledge

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Oh, that's also a question. The 'Maximize' mode. Is the raw resource limit global (ie, a second factory will divide the available ores)? Or per-tab?

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:40 PM

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then I'd argue it's better to teach him to build efficient setups that save him some materials rather than simple crap setups that will need to be rebuilt later

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@normal dove for maximize mode it makes as much as possible with the limits it has. It's per-tab limit, but you can have multiple maximized things and even a combination of per minute and maximize in one tab

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Gotcha. Danke!

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Maybe a ' minimize machine count' is what im asking for lol

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Or ' minimize recipe count'

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:42 PM

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there's a "bug" (or rather not implemented feature) though, which makes it ignore the resource weights and efficiency in maximize mode. So I'd recommend after you use the "maximize" and get the max number you can build, copy that number and use it for "per minute" mode, so that you get the setup more efficient

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the maximize mode calculates correctly what's the max, but then just picks random way to achieve that without taking the efficient ways into consideration

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sometimes that can save you a lot of resources

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Lol

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Whoever built it is a bad programmer :p

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@sand garnet machine count optimization is something that I was thinking about, it's planned (if it would work properly)

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however I'd still argue that it's better to teach players to build efficiently from start

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less chance they'd need to rebuild setups or restart

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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That i agree with

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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I know the one thing I want is to be able to set it to only suggest round numbers of buildings, if only to satisfy my OCD XD

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@normal dove in bigger setups that would lead to gigantic numbers or even not possible numbers due to map limits

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Maybe by also calculating the optimal build and showing a ' heres what you couldve done ' button lol

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@wind spade I figured, yeah =p

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:46 PM

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and underclocking is a good thing anyway 🤷‍♂️

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Yeah, it wasn't a serious suggestion

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:46 PM

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though it's one of the most suggested things 😉

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@sand garnet well currently anything it gives you is the most optimal build for given set of conditions 😛

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Yes i mean IF you were to do my idea show them an alternative for when they git gud lol

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

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ah

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well it still is blocked by the fact that I need to figure out a way to mathematically describe the "easy mode setup"

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Basically " i know you said you wanted this but look at this beauty too!"

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:52 PM

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well I could do that already with anybody who hasn't selected all the alternate recipes xD

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Lol

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I wonder if you could let players upload their save so you can see what they have

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Allowing players to make stuff based on their current alts and tech

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:55 PM

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that's planned

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Neat

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 8:55 PM

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but save parsing is hard

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and my time is very limited xD

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Its just a button :p

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I'd also like to request a 'Reach through the screen and slap you in the face' button. Because I keep second-guessing myself on my builds, trying to plot out what numbers to aim for >_<

sand garnet Aug 12, 2020, 9:24 PM

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all of them

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I mean... Yeah, but I'm still new. I dunno what's considered a good output of what per minute. Like I see '88 turbo motors per minute' and I'm like 'Is that a good number? Why is it a good number?'

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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It's all kind of arbitrary because the entire point of the game is just to make stuff for fun

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I usually ask myself, what do I need the item for. Is it just for research? Or also for building? Do I plan to use it as a coupon generator? And I base my numbers on the answers

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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^ also that

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88 turbo motors per minute would be thoroughly impressive

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do you need 88 turbo motors per minute for anything in the game? absolutely not. Would that factory be impressive to behold? almost certainly.

normal dove Aug 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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That number's from a post I saw on Reddit, but yeah.

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I have a question actually:

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Most of the endgame refinery setups start with Crude Oil -> Alt: Heavy Oil Residue -> Package Fuel -> Unpackage Fuel.

In those setups, you have 13.33x Packaged Water -> 13.33x Diluted Packaged Fuel.

Is there any need whatsoever to manifold the output from the packaged water and manifold it back into the diluted packaged fuel refineries? Or do those produce exactly enough packaged water 1 to 1 and I can just route them straight across?

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 9:56 PM

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the whole diluted packaged fuel loop is 1:1:1

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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beautiful

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I have no desire to bother splitting AND manifolding 800/min if there's no reason to do so.

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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so you can build the thing in modules of 3 refineries (package water -> diluted packaged fuel -> unpackage fuel) and just put a few canisters into each loop

cold rock Aug 12, 2020, 10:03 PM

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yeah

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this makes sense

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Just to add my 2 cents. When I did my diluted set ups i lower clocks to 84%. Gives each machine an input/output rate if 50. Which is much easier to split considering its all 800 or 400.

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 10:12 PM

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fair, but still I'd prefer the 1:1:1 setup 😉

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Oh. You're talking just going from one machine directly into the next. The no manifolds comments make sense now.

That's a really good idea.

wind spade Aug 12, 2020, 10:21 PM

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yeah 😉

hot ginkgo Aug 12, 2020, 10:22 PM

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I do need to make some rubber and plastic loops. The plans and possibilities are already flowing.

faint pike Aug 13, 2020, 12:15 AM

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It gets messy turning the fuel into turbofuel though. Any clean solutions?

glacial hemlock Aug 13, 2020, 12:18 AM

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No.

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It it is clean, it won't be turbofuel.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:18 AM

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messy? just put fuel in a refinery

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add compacted coal and take out turbofuel

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what's messy about that process?

faint pike Aug 13, 2020, 12:24 AM

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The ratios

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:26 AM

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huh? it's 3:8

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Just use 300 oil. Makes 666 turbo fuel. Very well documented and most of the intermediate steps are easy.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:26 AM

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you can pretty much just make one big pipe and connect inputs and outputs to it

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as long as you keep the 3:8 ratio for each segment

faint pike Aug 13, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Yes, but physically fitting all the refineries in

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I dont exactly consider that a concern. A fully kitted out turbo fuel plant is hardly going to be the largest thing you build.

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Late game this basically turns into Satisfinery.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:43 AM

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also space is pretty much infinite

faint pike Aug 13, 2020, 12:46 AM

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fair enough. guess this is a sign i should just get a new oil pipe to make my turbofuel gens from, rather than trying to convert my 80% done regular fuel power plant

untold steeple Aug 13, 2020, 12:48 AM

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I was wondering about something. How do you all move things around your factory to assemblers/manufacturers? I only have assemblers atm and things are already a big mess moving materials around the factory to craft everything I need and I'm just wondering if there's a better way to do it or not. I was thinking maybe I could use lifts/stackable conveyor poles and moving everything around above the factory and that may make it look a bit nicer but I'd like other input before I tear everything down and rework this

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:49 AM

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well simple answer is pretty much: "it's up to you"

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I'd say try to reduce belts as much as possible, so if you're processing e.g. ingots to rods and then rods to screws, build all that together

untold steeple Aug 13, 2020, 12:50 AM

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I hardly craft rods anymore since I now use steel screws

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But yeah I see what you mean

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:51 AM

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basically ideal case is node -> building -> building -> building -> belt -> storage

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having buildings as close to nodes as possible

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and transporting only final products to storage

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either by belt or by trains

untold steeple Aug 13, 2020, 12:53 AM

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The way I have it set up is a multi-floor factory. I have the first floor for smelting, and then 3 floors for crafting base materials with constructors, and after that an assembler floor where I put everything together which is what I'm currently on

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I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do for a storage area yet

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:53 AM

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yeah I've seen a lot of people going this way, but I don't really like it

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I'd prefer to have the setup more streamlined, so that materials don't have to travel a lot

untold steeple Aug 13, 2020, 12:54 AM

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I like it this way personally

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:54 AM

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yeah, as I said in first message, "it's up to you" 😉

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I'm just trying to answer what I'd do 😛

untold steeple Aug 13, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Alright, guess I'll just experiment and see what works

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Seems there's a lot of tearing down and rebuilding in this game xD

vestal creek Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Howdy everybody!

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Just wondering if I can have 2 games at once

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Like 2 saves I mean

faint pike Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 AM

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yeah, although that would be more served in #old-questions-and-help

vestal creek Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Thank you!

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Oh haha my finger slipped and I tapped the wrong channel

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On my phone #old-questions-and-help is the one right below this one

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Thought I was there lol

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 1:00 AM

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@vestal creek mobile here too. I feel the pain.

vestal creek Aug 13, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Lol I’m glad to know I’m not alone

fierce ruin Aug 13, 2020, 3:55 AM

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how much of oil is 7 refinarys

foggy ferry Aug 13, 2020, 4:00 AM

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i have tons of refineries on two oil pipes with about 2-3 on each pipe and it works for me

worthy copper Aug 13, 2020, 4:01 AM

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either 5 or 10 refineries can go off of a single full crude oil pipe

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depending on recipe

fluid arch Aug 13, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Can you send refinery production plan? 😋

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 9:16 AM

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if you use sites like https://satisfactorytools.com you can make your own @fluid arch

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clever cedar Aug 13, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Using starting zone metarials efficiently gives you KiloBase,
using whole one side of map (such as Dune Desert) metarials efficiently gives you MegaBase,
using whole two sides of map metarials efficiently gives you GigaBase,
using whole three sides of map metarials efficiently gives you TeraBase,
using whole four sides of map metarials efficiently gives you PetaBase,
using whole map (swamp, pink forest etc.) metarials efficiently gives you ExaBase,
using whole & update 4 metarials efficiently gives you ZettaBase.
Comment below which one you have.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 11:42 AM

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and since there's no definition of megabase, you can't say if your base is megabase or not

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also, there's no "update 4 materials"

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or shit pc

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@wind spade

My base is a megabase

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my base is so big it that my world can only be run on Google's supercomputer

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 11:59 AM

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doubt

fluid arch Aug 13, 2020, 12:01 PM

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@sand garnet thanks I ll try :(

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 12:01 PM

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how big is your power usage

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thats the test of a megabase

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 12:02 PM

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its not really

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you can build a factory that builds the world's largest powergrid with over 1 TW of power, but it doesnt USE as much power comparatively

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 12:04 PM

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yeah but how much power do you use, not how much do you make

eager solar Aug 13, 2020, 12:04 PM

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he said power usage, not capacity

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that being said, a guy abusing oc will have a bigger power usage even though the base would be smaller than the same without oc

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

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whats oc

eager solar Aug 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

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overclocking

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

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oh but you need overclocking to make the most turbo motors

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

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you can just build 10000 jump pads and have 50 GW usage while not producing anything

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@prime briar also you don't need overclocking to make the most turbomotors (only for miners)

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

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and I'd argue a megabase is just 'a large factory'

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regardless of the source of the size

eager solar Aug 13, 2020, 12:06 PM

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yeah but there is a diff between ocing miners to get more raw mats and ocing the prod buildigns to build less of them

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:07 PM

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megabase has no clear definition. It's just a term that people use instead of "big factory", although it's hard to define what a big factory is

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for example if I have tons of small factories all around the map, is it a megabase or not?

eager solar Aug 13, 2020, 12:07 PM

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yeah, there is no common definition atm

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 12:13 PM

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I shall use my powers to define a megabase soon

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:14 PM

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your base is a megabase if you have 100k messages on discord

empty hemlock Aug 13, 2020, 12:15 PM

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shouldn't you already be at 100k? i suspect you have another 1k messages in the wiki channel

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:16 PM

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he needs 199 msgs to reach 100k

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I would define a megabase as a here is where I build all the things while having all the resources shipped to me. Or rather a consumer but not a producer of anything. My main base is larger than the rest but I’ve actually been migrating portions of it to remote locations and using trains to ferry goods out of my main site to the remote locations and to it from them.

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I personally feel like everything built on the map is part of the factory

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regardless of how sprad out it is

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:48 PM

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^

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Yeah but the term implies some level of contiguous connection other than conveyors which are just a logistical device

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:50 PM

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I don't think so. For me "megabase" is just "a player built a lot of things and produces a lot of things"

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:50 PM

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You can replace conveyors with at least two other alternative models of transport. I would not consider everything built on the overall map as part of “the factory”

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:50 PM

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I would tho

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because e.g. without the miners the "main factory" wouldn't work

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I would say you’re wrong then lol

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:51 PM

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so it's a logical part of the factory

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:51 PM

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In that case everything on the earth is one big megabase factory

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Doesn’t matter which company owns it. What country hosts it. It’s all one big megabase IRL since it’s all “connected” in some way

prime briar Aug 13, 2020, 12:52 PM

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it is. it's controlled by the illuminati 😆

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I mean... are we talking about the game or about IRL?

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ingame you're the only person on the planet and you're working for a single company

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Har har. The definitions come from IRL analogous definitions

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:53 PM

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I've never heard "megafactory" IRL

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and it still has no definition anyway

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:54 PM

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https://www.natgeotv.com/za/shows/natgeo/megafactories

National Geographic - Megafactories

Go behind the scenes as Megafactories explores manufacturing goliaths and brings to life some of the greatest one-of-a-kind factories in the world. National Geographic for everyone in everywhere

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:54 PM

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that's a name of a show, not a commonly used term

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Yeah but that’s how definitions become a thing. Commonly used term = definition

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A single factory producing many things in a contiguous block would be a mega factory

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:56 PM

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but it's not a commonly used term

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:57 PM

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You can’t argue it’s a commonly used term and then say it’s not

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that's a name of a show, not a commonly used term
@wind spade

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:57 PM

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not a commonly used term

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:57 PM

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But it is a commonly used term

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 PM

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it isn't. I never heard anyone call something "megafactory". People use "big factory" or smth like that, but never "megafactory" (apart from that show)

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Tesla’s gigafactory is also considered a megafactory

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 12:59 PM

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and again, even if it would be commonly used term, it has no clear definition

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which is the point we were talking about the whole time

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Eh it’s whatever. To me a megafactory is something that has multiple disparate outputs.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 1:00 PM

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so two machines each one producing one item is a megafactory?

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 1:00 PM

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That is also contiguous.

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I reject the idea that everything on the map is “the factory” the map is “the world” where you can make completely isolated factories you have to drive to manually to convey items

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Sure you could say that. Or you could add a qualifier such as some level of parallel production or the number of items. I would make sure to note that “disparate” means the multiple outputs don’t end in the same result.

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Or rather are not part of the same result

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For instance if you make rotors and stators in the same factory, I would not inherently consider it a megabase because you can combine both to make a motor in a single step without any byproduct

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But if you make supercomputers and turbo motors in the same contiguous factory, I’d consider that a megafactory since there are items that are unique to both chains

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 1:06 PM

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all of that is just your definition, so it's irrelevant to the original discussion, which was "is there a clear definition of a megafactory" with a simple answer "no"

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 1:07 PM

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I believe there is but sure.

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 1:10 PM

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there is no clear definition. There's no number that you need to beat to be considered a megafactory. It's all based on player's opinions

crimson pasture Aug 13, 2020, 1:21 PM

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if i wanna make a motor production line should i use the alternate one or not?

glacial geyser Aug 13, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Depends on your resources

crimson pasture Aug 13, 2020, 1:22 PM

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let's say i want to get every single node at some point to my base

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 1:25 PM

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@crimson pasture if you have the steel rotor alt recipe, use that

fluid berry Aug 13, 2020, 1:25 PM

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there is no clear definition. There's no number that you need to beat to be considered a megafactory. It's all based on player's opinions
@wind spade
even the term "to be considered a megafeactory" is misleading, as it too involves other´s opinions about soemthing you put together on your own.

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 1:25 PM

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it uses the same materials as the regular stator recipe

crimson pasture Aug 13, 2020, 1:26 PM

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but what about the motors it self?

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i have all alternate

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 1:30 PM

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I'd say the regular motor recipe is easier

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 1:30 PM

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^^

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 1:30 PM

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alt is if you want a higher output

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so its your decision to make

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Especially considering how easy steel rotor makes motors.

crimson pasture Aug 13, 2020, 1:31 PM

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hmmm

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 1:32 PM

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I would consider the alt for maybe using with turbo motors. Otherwise I have no use for that much motor production.

crimson pasture Aug 13, 2020, 1:32 PM

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that's true

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a small storage should be plenty to have full at all times

hot ginkgo Aug 13, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I think I have 2 machines making motors for personal use, stored in one ISC and one normal container. All else gets sinked. Even during my turbo plant I never ran out.

clever cedar Aug 13, 2020, 1:36 PM

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https://fullycharged.show/blog/the-rise-of-the-ev-battery-megafactories/#:~:text=What is a battery megafactory,of battery cells per year.
That is a scientific proof. So end of discussion.

Fully Charged Show

Paul Wood

The Rise of the EV Battery Megafactories - Fully Charged Show

lucid sonnet Aug 13, 2020, 2:22 PM

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My megafactory definition: if you built something that inevitably has at least one mistake in it and it makes you want to tear it all down start over, or quit Satisfactory, then you probably built a megafactory. /s

sand garnet Aug 13, 2020, 2:25 PM

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that makes every starter factory a megafactory

stray mural Aug 13, 2020, 2:35 PM

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or you take my route and keep building upon the chaos.

glacial hemlock Aug 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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@lucid sonnet there is no mistake that cannot be fixed. Oh, unless you have accidentally mixed the belts of uranium with a 20x20 iron ore bus belt balancer.

lucid sonnet Aug 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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hehe

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Megafactories are generally a community based connotation rather than having any given denotation from a dictionary

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In factorio, for example, a megabase is generally considered to be at least 1000 science per minute. In this game, however, there are so many different definitions of a megabase that I don't think one has been clearly community defined.

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Because factories are always different, they may not be consuming the same amount of resources and outputting the same amounts of items.

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There needs to be some clear, concise label with varying levels of complexity to classify as a megafactory - something that isn't just like 30 turbomotors/min, but also isn't just sinking as many iron ingots as the map + pure iron ingot recipe can provide

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Although... I suppose setting up the infrastructure for this game might take significantly longer, so if you did do the latter, it would still be an impressive feat... assuming area actions was never used..

queen rivet Aug 13, 2020, 5:27 PM

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The only definition that matters: "I know a megafactory when I see one".

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 5:29 PM

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i think im doing this math right but idk,

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Whatcha got for us, Rayray?

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Ive got 300 crude to 400 heavy oil

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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uhuh

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I assume you're using the heavy oil residue alt

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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ye

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i think i see where i messed up already lol

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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that should be 10 refineries at 100% clock, outputting (to make it easy on yourself) 2 pipes of 200 HOR

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(5 refineries per pipe)

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

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yee i have like a almost symetrical turbo fuel plant

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my end math was like 148 fuel gens

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at max 4.5 rate but i watched kibitiz vid and hes got like only 120 ish

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 5:34 PM

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he's only using 300/400 HOR

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he has 112 fuel gens

eager solar Aug 13, 2020, 5:35 PM

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148.15 is the right number

muted crypt Aug 13, 2020, 5:35 PM

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(i.e. 149, you get more power out of one at 100% and one at 15% than you do from one at 115%)

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 5:36 PM

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im glad my math wasnt bad afterall lol

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but now is the array of fuel gens i need to place

cold rock Aug 13, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I think my favorite part of the max turbofuel setup is that it comes out to 666m3/min of turbofuel and I think that's beautiful.

chilly wigeon Aug 13, 2020, 7:49 PM

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welll...

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whats why I use 900 crude

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so its normal number, not 66666

snow lodge Aug 13, 2020, 7:56 PM

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I think I shrunk the footprint down pretty significantly but it's still a massive plant lol

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Hopefully it will be done today and won't need to worry about power for a bit

pine rapids Aug 13, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Mines not technically done haha

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I built three floors of refineries, 5 floors for fuel generators, and the top floor is storage for turbofuel... but I only actually put in 2 floors of generators. I’ll swing back by and build more when my power useage has gotten higher

lucid sonnet Aug 13, 2020, 10:50 PM

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i should probably plug buffers into my power plants

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I have browned out before but I have always been able to fix it without buffers

cold rock Aug 13, 2020, 11:42 PM

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I know that the maximum efficiency route is the 149 gen turbo fuel stack. But there's just something about the sheer simplicity of this 71.1111 gen setup:

📎 unknown.png

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I think the something is that I could actually finish this one in a reasonable time frame. 🙂

wind spade Aug 13, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Uses slightly more compacted coal tho

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It's pretty much this: if you double the amount of refineries, you save 1/2 of oil

worthy copper Aug 13, 2020, 11:55 PM

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and double your compacted coal needs

kind glacier Aug 14, 2020, 1:08 AM

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@lucid sonnet Buffers don't help against the inevitable, if you're not making enough, you're not making enough. Imo, fluid buffers are only useful when training fluids.

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 1:51 AM

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gotcha

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Fluid buffers are for looking cool and for if you need to do construction that throws off your numbers short-term but you don't want to stop production.

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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never thought about them in that light

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Ok so riddle me this: in a multiplayer game we saw 6 coal.gwnerators seeming to run flawlessly off of:

one water extractor
one 60 ppm belt of coal into the manifold

My math says it should need 85 ppm of coal to work?

I checked all the machine queues and nothing was draining

faint pike Aug 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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what % of capacity were you using power-wise?

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Ahhhhhhhhh

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About 60%

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So that makes sense then

faint pike Aug 14, 2020, 3:55 AM

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common problem with power plants is them working when people first make them, and once power consumption scales up a bottleneck appears and shuts down everything

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Good fun

crisp ridge Aug 14, 2020, 4:07 AM

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What I hate is when the power goes out on a steam plant or fuel power then to start it all up you have to build a couple bioburners.

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I usually can get it started by disconnecting resource hogs like train stations or manufacturers

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Or cutting lines

crisp ridge Aug 14, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I tryed that but the pumps for water, oil and fuel stopped pumping, so it can't get to where it needs to, to keep the power on

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Yeah it can depend ok timing. For all my brownouts I was able to respond quickly to cut the external line and reboot

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I also havent positioned where I need pumps so far

faint pike Aug 14, 2020, 4:14 AM

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make sure the power producing buildings are on a different line than the rest of the buildings

shell rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:19 AM

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If im not mistake, there's no downside to having your power plants largely separated from the rest of your factory right?

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Unless you're splicing supply lines or don't like shipping fuel long distance, but still. . .

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:25 AM

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You can provide a different power grid exclusive to coal miners and water extractors. Need careful cable management though.

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For me, i simply build an overkill power so that i don't ever have to worry about

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 4:25 AM

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yeah theres no downside to it

shell rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Oi, since this is the meta chat and all, can anyone tell me how useful trains really are?

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:47 AM

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As useful as belts

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Trains (actually, railways) are easier to built than long, parallel belts. For short distance or single belt, then just stick to belt

pine rapids Aug 14, 2020, 6:27 AM

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For distances over like 1 km, trains are totally the way to go. Needs more power though oc

proud gorge Aug 14, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Do belts need power at all? I didn't notice them using power yet

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 12:10 PM

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they dont need power

proud gorge Aug 14, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Xd

lucid sonnet Aug 14, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I am actually for belts needing to be powered, at least after certain distances, or something. it feels a little OP

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 1:32 PM

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once you get to high tier... nah

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as im setting up to harvest a lot of the dune desert, this is a LOT of belts

📎 unknown.png

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like im expecting to be running 40 belts up the ramp by the time im done with this area, training the rest of the way cause screw making a bus that long

digital yew Aug 14, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Wait until they add machine decay and repairing

sand garnet Aug 14, 2020, 3:08 PM

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they wont

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it would be against all the mechanics theyve put in place

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so i dont see how those things make any sense

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theres no need for a damage model if there's no factory defense either

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 3:58 PM

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alright, I've done some simulations and I've come to conclusion that putting mk1 belts to manifolds doesn't make them start up faster. It actually makes them startup slower.

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however you produce slightly more resources while it's filling up

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example case:
600 ipm input (mk5 belt)
20 machines @ 30ipm input

with mk1 side belts:
Time to stabilize: 1225.0 seconds
Average efficiency before stabilization: 85.3%

with mk5 side belts:
Time to stabilize: 1142.7 seconds
Average efficiency before stabilization: 84.2%

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for other cases I've tested, it's usually around 1-1.5% difference in production as well. So if you're willing to trade 1% of your production while the manifold is filling up for faster fill time, keep mk5 belts, otherwise if you're fine with it filling slower, but producing more resources in the process (on average), put mk1s there

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all of that is for any item that has stack size of 100

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Also an extension that appeals to conservation of material...
If you run two manifolds with the same input rate, and take a certain time point after they’ve stabilized and the buffers filled...
You’ll always get the same efficiency

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Cause you’ve dumped the exact same amount of material into the input and there’s the same amount in the buffers

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:08 PM

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efficiency yeah. But not efficiency over time

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efficiency here is considered as how much the setup produces vs how much the setup can produce on full load

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done some more simulations. Turns out it's not benefitial at all

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so PSA:
Keep your manifold belts the max tier

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:13 PM

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efficiency for me, it refers to how much you can setup a production line within a given build time, with the setup running at its full and consistent load.

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:13 PM

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if you build mk1 belts there, best case it's just a few seconds slower to 100% efficiency, worst case you'll wait several minutes or even hours (based on a manifold)

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@glacial hemlock sure, just saying for the simulations I've set efficiency this way

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but basically it takes longer with mk1 belts than with mk5 belts

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:16 PM

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your individual machine takes less than 60ppm per item, right?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:16 PM

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sure, for the case of 60ipm it's obviously helpful

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:17 PM

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the result is counter-intuitive at the first thought.

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:17 PM

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it is, but that's what I've been saying all the time. If you have mk5 belts there, it fills way faster and overflows earlier

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I just didn't know how big effect it has

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:18 PM

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i thought the mk1 belt kinda restrict the flow rate of previous machines, thus giving more 'priority' to the machines towards the end

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:18 PM

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yeah, but at the same time it takes way longer to fill the first machines to overflow for the machines at the end

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I got the simulation code now, but I may be able to turn it into a manifold tool for the new site

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just need to figure out a nice way to display the stuff

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and how to input stuff as well

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 4:19 PM

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modular gif?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:19 PM

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maybe also allow for stuff like different machines consumptions

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I guess I'll stick with something similar to whatever was in the old manifold tool

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@cold rock @stark spire @south moth you may be interested in the above ^
TL;DR is that faster belts are better to use in manifolds than slower belts

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:23 PM

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@wind spade good to know for sure

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:23 PM

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it's not a big difference, but in some example cases I've come up with it was several extra minutes

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and I'm sure there are cases where it could be even more than e.g. 30 minutes

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Wait

south moth Aug 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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so basically

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just use the highest belts everywhere

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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obviously if the input for the machine is exactly the same as belt speed, then it's better to build the exact belt

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Are you basing that on fill time or time until all machines are producing uninterrupted?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:25 PM

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basically until leaving the thing for more time has no longer any effect on production

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I've tested it for exact setups only so far though

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so total input = total consumption

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didn't do any test for input > consumption

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Because in cases where you do input = consumption you would never fill

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If it worked

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:26 PM

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yeah

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but basically I calculate it until no more machines can be filled

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which works for any input <= consumption

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because filling a machine does change how the thing behaves (some machines futher down the line get extra resources)

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:27 PM

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^ wait what does that mean

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:29 PM

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imagine a situation in time.

if there's a machine in the manifold that gets more resources than it consumes, it will fill up eventually. When that happens, the extra resources that were filling it up can no longer go in and will go futher down the line, therefore changing input for the machines that are there

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so I'm simulating the whole thing as long as any machine is filling up

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in the end, machine can have one of these states:

filled to 100% and producing 100%
empty, but producing 100%
empty and producing less than 100%

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so I'm simulating the manifold untill all machines are in one of these three states

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Interesting.

pine rapids Aug 14, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I always use mk 1 belts for the actual manifold entrances. If you have a mk 5 belt feeding a manifold and mk 1 belts going into the actual machines, it means your first 13 machines are actually being load balanced

south moth Aug 14, 2020, 4:34 PM

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?

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:34 PM

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It does not mean that unless you overfill you’re branch belts.

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Your*

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Because the splitter round robins regardless of the belts attached.

pine rapids Aug 14, 2020, 4:35 PM

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So a mk 5 belt in a line, with splitters going into machines with mk 1 belts. Each machine is fed at 60 res/min. It takes 13 mk 1 belts to consume the full throughout of the mk 5 belt

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@pine rapids that's only in case if the machines each eat 60/min

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@wind spade can your simulator do manifolds of manifolds?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:35 PM

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but we're talking about the case when they eat less than that

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@cold rock what's that lol 😄

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or rather, where did you use something like that

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Uhhh I don’t know how to explain it in words.

south moth Aug 14, 2020, 4:37 PM

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or

| | | | | |
-- x-- -- x--
| |
----x----

late snow Aug 14, 2020, 4:38 PM

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it seems to be more space efficient to do the top one

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@south moth obviously load balancing is better if you want immediate 100% output. But manifolds are easier to build and expand, so it's usually not worth to load balance stuff

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(and space efficient, yeah)

late snow Aug 14, 2020, 4:38 PM

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also, it would be an absolute bitch to load balance https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/743869679520579605

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i did do it, and it chewed up SO much room

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but it also was on 15 instead of that small amount

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though they were in that configuration

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:39 PM

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yeah for wire, quickwire and screws it's much better to make the setup 1:1 or 2:1 as you did

late snow Aug 14, 2020, 4:40 PM

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i like the configuration i posted because its very compact for what it outputs, also thats only with t4 belts

south moth Aug 14, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i load balanced everything up until now

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 4:54 PM

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there's nothing wrong with that, but imo it's just extra amount of work with not a big gain

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in the end, both manifolds and balancers will work at the same efficiency

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just manifolds take some time to reach the efficiency after they are built

south moth Aug 14, 2020, 5:02 PM

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so in the end

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just do manifolds all with highest belt, everytime, everywhere.. it starts slow but in the end everything will fill up... less space and time needed to build

cold rock Aug 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I wanna talk about this more later when I have an actual keyboard

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Hahaha

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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lol sure

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feel free to @ me or dm

hot ginkgo Aug 14, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Manifolds are life.

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:07 PM

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assuming it's full and uses fuel, yeah

frigid turtle Aug 14, 2020, 5:34 PM

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New to the game, thought I'd try my hand at flowcharting for efficiency, made in GIMP.

📎 HeavyFrames_Blueprint.png

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@frigid turtle looks nice
although if it was for me, I wouldn't overclock stuff (you can always build more and you're losing power) and also not use balancers (although that's a personal preference)

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you can also check some of the tools in the pinned post, they usually allow you to generate similar flowcharts

frigid turtle Aug 14, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I understand your aversion to using overclocks, but my builder likes making factories as small as possible so I have to adjust to accommodate him

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I use balancers when making spaghetti factories because the placement doesn’t matter and it’s a couple fewer splitters lol

frigid turtle Aug 14, 2020, 5:38 PM

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And I have yet to find a tool generates them in a way I like, but I still haven't tried many..

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:39 PM

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well feel free to try mine and give feedback if it doesn't give you what you want 😉 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

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for the space issue - you have almost infinite space, but you don't have infinite power, so for me the choice is obvious 🙂

worthy copper Aug 14, 2020, 5:39 PM

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The only thing I don’t like in that flowchart is the double 125% screw producers

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Waste of a power shard evildoggo

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:40 PM

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double 125% use less power than 100+150

frigid turtle Aug 14, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@wind spade you've got a good point, I'll try to convince my builder of that...

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:41 PM

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again, it's your choice, just saying my preferences 😉

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 5:41 PM

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360 screws i can see, so It's actually 9 constructors

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 5:41 PM

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hey greeny, does your calculator do power? I'm trying to figure out how much to underclock a coal gen to process byproduct hor -> petro coke

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:43 PM

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it doesn't do power (yet). And I'm not sure what do you mean by underclocking a coal gen

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coal gen needs 25/min coke

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(on full load)

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I'm producing petro coke from hor as a byproduct, so my build ends up with an amount of petro coke that is not a multiple of 25

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so I can either just throw the extra coke away, or underclock an extra gen

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 5:45 PM

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How about awesome sink?

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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there's gonna be one at the end anyway for overflow, that's what I meant by "throw away"

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but I found the codex, and that gets me the info I need anyway 🙂

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:46 PM

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in that case you can open this page https://www.satisfactorytools.com/codex/buildings/coal-generator and see how much does it use based on overclocking

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

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but I'd say you can just round up anyway, as you won't be most likely using 99% of your power anyway

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so you won't get close to the limit of your power network

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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eh I don't like having an inflated number for my max, and now I can get the number I need

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 5:48 PM

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fair

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I don't like to inflate it as well, but if the situation is like this where I just round up one gen, I usually don't care. You want to build more power when you're above like 80% anyway

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 5:50 PM

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yeah I try not to get too close to max either, cause you need some to startup new power plants

glacial geyser Aug 14, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I love using overclocks because now I have nuclear energy. I’d rather not build out massive factories

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I have a mix of over and underclocked things to make the math line up

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I also like having factories spread out in different regions. I make aluminum and sulfuric acid in the red forest. Everything I need to make nuclear fuel cells, sans any radioactive material, is made in my central factory where a train takes those items and plastic up to an arterial train station that sits between 4 smaller factories.

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From there, concrete, encased beams, and control rods are conveyed across the waterfall to an area near the cliff I set up to make the rest of the nuclear fuel cells. With the nuclear reactors in the same area. The waste is trained up to the north east corner of the map. But the arterial train station also delivers plastic to my supercomputer factory just behind the train station. It takes in silica byproduct directly from the aluminum/sulfuric acid facility.

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It also takes in AI limiters, copper sheets, cable, reinforced plates, and quickwire from a separate facility which feeds only that. That separate facility is placed on a nearby oasis that has iron, copper, caterium, and water to make all those things.

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The supercomputer factory is built around the quartz and encased in glass walls that expands out as it gets taller with 4 manufacturing floors making oscillators, high speed connectors, crystal computers, and finally supercomputers at the topmost floor.

I don’t like the unnatural look of flatting out an area and building a crap load of foundation to build everything in neat rows and straight lines. I also don’t like spaghetti and clipping conveyors or power lines.

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But that also means I typically am constrained within regions based on the natural geography as to the number of machines I can fit there. So I have a very wide mix of both over and underclocked factories.

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Most are over/under from ~33%-150%. I have a few at 225% because I had vastly underestimated just how much copper I would need even with the most efficient recipes crafting wire. I made 2 foundries and thought “this is fine” and ended up actually needing closer to 750 ingots/min after everything was done so I squeezed in another foundry, upgraded the mine heads to mk3, and set the clock rate to 250% on the foundries.

bleak coral Aug 14, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Sounds like the kind of playstyle I'm going for, I try to keep stuff producing around the resource it needs, and then move the produced thing over to another factory if I need to mix resources

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and I try to avoid floating platforms as well, and generally conform to the terrain

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I think my warehouse breaks that rule the most, partially cause it's old enough I'm not 100% sure where the ground is anymore underneath it

glacial geyser Aug 14, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Lol I’ve got a few of those as well. I also didn’t realize trains could go back and forth across the same track with opposing engines the first time

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So I made a huge sky loop that wraps and extends across the huge pillars

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But I have a personal rule that I put in concrete pillars on anything large that extends out from any structure or land

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If I can’t make it at least look like it could reasonably hold up what is on top, I do it differently

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Like near my oil fields I made a huge refinery platform above the lake but I use concrete pillars under it and the frame foundation + glass top so I can still see the lake underneath and I have plenty of room underneath to place water extractors

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It may be double the concrete but it’s so worth it for how it looks IMO lol

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Put the frame down and then place the glass inside the frame at the topmost layer

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Looks beautiful when done

late snow Aug 14, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Someone had a really fancy aluminum setup

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i dont remember what it was, does anyone know who made the flowchart?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 10:26 PM

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you can probably make one yourself by using one of the online tools

late snow Aug 14, 2020, 10:26 PM

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yeah, i just dont remember how much they had their chart tuned to

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i know it wasn't a full belt

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i just... cant remember

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 10:27 PM

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this should be a choice you make, not one that you copy from others lol

plush forge Aug 14, 2020, 10:39 PM

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heyo, I've just unlocked crude oil and it looks a bit intimdating, how should I get started on that, is there a guide?

quasi kettle Aug 14, 2020, 10:53 PM

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So is the recipe for Uranium Pellet similar to Aluminum in that you have a byproduct you need to recycle into the system again?

snow lodge Aug 14, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Slap refineries down for now until advanced fluid @plush forge

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And get some alternative recipes too those will help alot

plush forge Aug 14, 2020, 10:57 PM

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thanks!

tawdry pebble Aug 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Need a math check for nuclear - at 12 nuclear rods a min i can power 60 reactors at 100% capacity and those same reactors will produce 300 nuclear waste a minute?

wind spade Aug 14, 2020, 11:08 PM

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yeah (the waste amount is also only at max capacity)

tawdry pebble Aug 14, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Thanks, my first time doing nuclear in the game. 672 fuel gens take up to much space and need the foundations for other buildings.

glacial hemlock Aug 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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@plush forge there is a guide on wiki, but spoilers ahead

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 12:14 AM

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rigour motor alternate or normal motor recipe for endgame?

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:17 AM

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the alt is better imo

shrewd fox Aug 15, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Whatever is convenient

cold rock Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

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So anyway what I meant before about a manifold of manifolds, @wind spade, is that I've got a manifold with 4 splitters, and that manifold feeds into 4 rows of six machines.

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 AM

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why not make one manifold to 24 machines at that point? 😄

cold rock Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Space

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4x6 grid looks better in this particular spot

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no other reason

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but it might actually be an interesting point

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:50 AM

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I guess you could still make it with one belt, but w/e

cold rock Aug 15, 2020, 12:50 AM

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because if you do the slowed belts thing, but instead of at each individual machine, do it on the first child set of belts

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:50 AM

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and no, it can't do manifold of manifolds (although I could theoretically make it do so)

cold rock Aug 15, 2020, 12:50 AM

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so there's 600 units coming in in this particular case, and each machine needs 25

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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well basically I figured that in the end it's the same

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no matter what belt tier you use

cold rock Aug 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I'm pretty sure if I use mk3's on the first branch belts, I'm going to reach full operation faster than I would otherwise.

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But idk, I'm going to try it.

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

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not 100% sure with manifolded manifolds, but with single manifold the tier of belts doesn't matter (as long as it's high enough to carry enough items to a building)

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Is there an half-life to nuclear waste?

worthy copper Aug 15, 2020, 1:01 AM

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No half life

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It must be stored indefinitely

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Have fun making your storage solution

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:03 AM

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a.k.a. put down a few dozens storage containers and never have to think about it again

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:16 AM

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when you all are doing belt work on your iron ingots, is there a good ratio of refineries you use to make belt/pipe work easier?

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sorry, should have mentioned, *pure iron ingots

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:19 AM

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wdym by ratio that makes belt work easier?

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just add refineries as long as there's iron left and then connect belt and pipe 😄

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:20 AM

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@celest knot I just did some quick math but this is what I came up with.

If you take 12 refineries, the output will be 780/min. Input is 420 ore, and 240 water.

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:21 AM

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ah, i never thought about reducing water intake down from 300

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clever, ty

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:21 AM

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That way you can manifold the whole thing. And feed it with exactly 2 extractors.

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420 is a weird number for input however.

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:22 AM

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ya, was just looking at that

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Have to do some fancy stuff with node puritys and splitting things to make it work well.

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Even using a full water pipe, gives you 15 refineries. And 525 input ore.

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Or the other route is 780 input. Which gives you 440 water. And 1400 output.

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:28 AM

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ya, doesn't appear to be a clean way to do it

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just started these, so figured i'd check before i plodded ahead

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:30 AM

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The 420 input gives the easiest per module set up. Just that funky infeed number.

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The other set up makes the ore easier. But complicates the water and needing underclocked machine or machines.

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I'd just go with something like 390 iron

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:33 AM

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But that gives you 11.14 refineries?

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:33 AM

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makes almost a full belt, 12 refineries, one underclocked to 15%

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Is it normal to still be highly radioactive after emptying the thing that was causing you to be radioactive in the first place?

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:33 AM

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and is 1/2 of maxed node

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@quasi kettle no, I guess you forgot something somewhere

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also you can't get rid of waste, so not sure what you tried, but you can't 😛

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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While still needing less then a full pipe of water. Definitely not a bad idea.

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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nope, died, came back and picked up my inventory box...all good. no radioactive in my inv

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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isn't there a radioactive item nearby?

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I was shuffling around fuel rods - trying to balance them

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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or uranium node?

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rods are super radioactive

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so if you're near, it may as well be that

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:35 AM

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nah, rods... I had about 300 on me, I was dividing them and splitting them up between all the gens. Then I was done, but the radioactive meter was still going crazy, but I had nothing on me.

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Imoved away - far distance, still radioactive. I put all my stuff in a bin, and then died. Came back picked it up and it was fine.

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:36 AM

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may have been a bug

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:36 AM

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ficsit fabric softener + detergent

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:37 AM

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that's kinda what I'm thinking. I mean it's not normal to be carrying radioactive material, so maybe if you do it for a long time, you're just dead anyway. lol

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:37 AM

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in real life, even if you drop the radioactive material, you're still making the meter go crazy

quasi kettle Aug 15, 2020, 1:37 AM

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right, that's kinda what I was thinking

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:37 AM

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but sounds weird, as radioactivity is calculated from each radioactive item, not from you

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:38 AM

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and ty greeny for the 12 refinery idea

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just makes it easier to remember what past self did if the beltwork just hits 12 refineries instead of snakes inbetween some odd number

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:39 AM

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also back to that - it's usually better to build refinieries based on what you want as final product, not build 12 refineries and then think "what to do with all these ingots" 😄

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 AM

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i needed 36 total, so this worked out really well

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 AM

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fair 😉

celest knot Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 AM

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will have to fiddle with junk till i unlock aluminum, but i can do it

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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hey, is it me or is the wiki wrong on nuclear waste production? at the maximum of 94.5 rods per min production feeding into 473 (one at 50%) reactors would produce only 472.5 wastes per minute as reactors make 5 wastes per rod but the use time is 5 mins/ rods so effectively 1/ min? so the wiki's 2362.5 wastes per minute would be wrong. right?

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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reactors make 25 waste per rod

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or 5 per minute on max load

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@wraith notch

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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er yeah. at 25/ rod at 5 mins a rod is 2362.5 wastes per 5 mins

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as the max is 94.5 rods per mins. so it would be 472.5 wastes per mins sustained. not the 2362.5 per minute the wiki claims

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right? @wind spade

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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but it uses 472.5 rods/min

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so it produces 472.5 * 25 waste/min

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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but you can't produce that many

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you can only produce at peak efficiency 94.5 rods per mins

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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sorry I got confused reading your message

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ignore that above lol

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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no worries. just don't want to submit an edit to the wiki without double checking the math first

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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94.5 nuclear fuel rods / min, so 94.5 * 25 waste is 2362.5 tho

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:41 AM

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but that's over 5 mins

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:41 AM

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no

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94.5 rods/ 1 min

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I was writing how I was seeing the thing. and just as I was checking the math it hit me. yup absolutely right

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the 472.5 reactors would each make 25 wastes using their 1 rod for 5 mins before getting a new one. meaning 11812.5 wastes per 5 mins or 2362.5 / min

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am dumb thanks

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 9:46 AM

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you don't even need to figure out reactors or burn time

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you can think about it way simpler - you produce 94.5 rods/min, so if you burn all of them, you'll produce 25 times more waste

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because 1 rod produces 25 waste

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 9:47 AM

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no matter what. yeah

glacial hemlock Aug 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

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@wraith notch welcome to math and meta. And 2362.5 was written by me 😄

chilly wigeon Aug 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

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How much power you can produce with all nuclear?

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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think it was 1.14 TW

cedar mica Aug 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

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94.5 nuclear fuel rods, 472.5 nuclear reactors, so 1,181,250MW

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:14 PM

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I need to 5x my storage now @glacial hemlock thanks :b only a few thousand more large containers to place

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

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4.725 stacks/min at full capacity when using all the map's uranium, you have the time to see it coming since you will most likely never reach full cap

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:25 PM

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I mean i want to set it up. That's my project. Im currently stacking up steel pipes and steel beams to make 1000 hrs of 100% usage of 100% of the map's uranium. So yay. Currently just above 200hrs worth (just a bit over 1200 double storage containers.)

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:26 PM

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I see, well good luck with that and have fun

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you're in for quite the repetitive work

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:28 PM

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I've already done the platform for it just above the void far from everything else.
Already calculated the amount of assemblers, foundries, etc. Needed.
I've also already put down about 400 containers and linked them together in a chain.

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My main issue is on how to group up all the radioactive crafting at the same location as to not condemn a large portion of the map.

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:31 PM

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well, if you're going for the max nuclear plant (and assuming you don't take future updates into account), you could pretty much build the plant next to the waste storage since you would have no reason to go back there

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Yeah that's what I was thinking the thing is that if i craft everything there it's 380+ manufacturers. Which would make it massive.

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:37 PM

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~~you picked your poison, now assume it~~

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:37 PM

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So im thinking of moving the uranium there and only have the machine there to craft the radioactive bits. Crafting everything else further away and just transport them there

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:37 PM

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sounds good

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:38 PM

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To make the "exclusion zone" smaller

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:38 PM

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you can also pick another corner of the map and have the rods (or waste) transported by trains

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Trains aren't radioactive if their content is?

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:39 PM

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their contents is still radioactive tho

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:40 PM

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yes but if you go on a corner on the same side, you can have the train line follow the border of the map

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thus the dead zone should bring no problem

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:41 PM

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I just thought you meant there was a way to transport the radioactive bits without basically having a trail of sadness

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:41 PM

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radioactivity is not tied to a place

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Aka a corridor of radioactive mess

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:42 PM

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oh, my bad

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:42 PM

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only to items

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so if you move the items, then the zone will move too

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:42 PM

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yeah, I know that it's still radioactive, that's why I proposed this since it should allow you to have the radio area out of the way

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Ill be constantly mining uranium so there'll be a trail of radioactive material moving no matter what @wind spade

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:44 PM

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also iirc you can build out of the world so long as your character isn't in there, so you could technically make a rail out of the map, if you spread the radioactive mats in a bunch of wagons you could make it so the radioactive area stays out of the map too

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Yeah ill find a way to path stuff to minimize the effects of that corridor

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:44 PM

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(for the train)

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:45 PM

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I mean technically my storage is halfway under the mesh

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:45 PM

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don't make so big deal out of uranium You'd need 1000s of full containers and you'll still have only like 500m radioactive radius

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I plan to have a storage capacity of 5907 double containers for nuclear waste...

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So its kind of a big deal

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 12:47 PM

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@wind spade he wants to make a storage able to hold 1000h from full cap max nuclear

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Which is 1000 hours of 2362.5 wastes/ min

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 PM

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that's 5906 ISCs

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 PM

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5906.25

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But i round up

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 PM

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that still radiates only ~80 foundations radius

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635 meters

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Yeah that's not the issue. My issue is the infrastructure needed to make the 94.5 rods/m

wind spade Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 PM

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well but the radiation is not a big deal 😉

wraith notch Aug 15, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Their footprint is big.

hot ginkgo Aug 15, 2020, 12:52 PM

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I would consider it an endgame item. And then you're trying to make the max amount of that. I would except it to be huge.

glacial hemlock Aug 15, 2020, 3:08 PM

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@wraith notch it will be super massive

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You hardly even need half of the 94.5/min

shy mason Aug 15, 2020, 3:36 PM

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You will have a good future proof energy capacity for any future updates at least, if the save still works.

terse prism Aug 15, 2020, 7:51 PM

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What are you going to make to use the 1.1tw of power, though?

worthy copper Aug 15, 2020, 7:52 PM

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lots of turbomotors!

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I’m about to automate turbo motors and I still only have 9 nuclear reactors and I’m using barely a third of my energy capacity

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More like 1/5th

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And I’m making more than enough rods off one uranium node to support something like 30 reactors

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The node in the red tree forest is the one I am mining and I built my nuclear processing atop the node basically since we can’t remove the radiation from the node and the map o figured it’s as good a place as any to refine uranium. I pipe in sulfuric acid and rail in every non-radioactive component that I make in my main base (up to electronic control rods, concrete, and beams)

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That reduces the overall radiation-area footprint to just the uranium refinement bits

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I will totally avoid nuclear as long as the waste can’t be recycled... I rather have 500 fuel generator with turbo fuel

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 8:05 PM

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It’s not a bad way to go@young rover. It just caps way under what nuclear is capable of

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:05 PM

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if you do your storage right, you can pretty much play for hundreds of hours before the radioactive area starts encroaching on land

muted crypt Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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it takes one nuclear reactor running at max power draw like 3 days 8 hours to fill a single industrial storage container

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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and that's assuming you're using the plant at full cap

muted crypt Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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assuming I did my math right

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I just don’t like the idea of wasting my map ...

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:06 PM

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@muted crypt I heard 80h so yup, you're good

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I hope they are doing something with those waste in future update

muted crypt Aug 15, 2020, 8:07 PM

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64 industrial storage containers full of nuclear waste has a radius of like 370m around the center point

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:07 PM

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do the containers on the corner of the map (like NE corner, you have a lot fo empty space

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and by the time waste become a problem you will prolly have left satisfactory for a new game

muted crypt Aug 15, 2020, 8:07 PM

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for comparison, the map edges (including water and blank space) are 7500m long

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Burn fuel is so much more ecological 🤣

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Sadly the game don’t render pollution ...

muted crypt Aug 15, 2020, 8:08 PM

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ficsit does not waste
that uranium is going to waste by not being used

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:09 PM

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also it's 80h for 1 nuclear reactor running a full capacity, in the end your power plant will msot likely not run at full cap

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Imagine the smog cloud above that coal plant

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Turbofuel requires compacted coal and oil and IIRC the cap for turbofuel power is ~160GW using every resource node for coal/oil/sulfur

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:11 PM

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well, if you need that much power chances are you also need a lot of oil products, so you can't really do htat

young rover Aug 15, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I use 6 GW now ... 🤣

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:12 PM

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anyway, unless you go big nuclear plant is indeed not needed but the waste itself is not a problem as long as you store it correctly

analog mist Aug 15, 2020, 8:12 PM

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meanwhile me just using 12 coal plants because i suck at progression

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:12 PM

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gotta start somewhere

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I was feeling extra proud when I did my first set of 8 coal gens

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Omg you can use nuclear fuel rods in your vehicles?

analog mist Aug 15, 2020, 8:13 PM

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that sounds... dangerous?

eager solar Aug 15, 2020, 8:13 PM

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yes but vehicles are then radioactive

glacial geyser Aug 15, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Lol but for automation if you need to truck in something you could autopilot and use rods instead lol

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But does that mean no waste is generated by the vehicle?