#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 465

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I'm eating soup rn, then sausages and rice

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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you got me hungry <.<

worn galleon Jul 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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<< RL Engineer.

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Burgers got me through every exam in Uni.

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Also made great study session food.

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Better than caffiene

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:40 PM

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ikr

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aight, back to work

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brain's anatomy weeeee

worn galleon Jul 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Fun times.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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i just finish calculating for 2 bad oil node its gave me 50 refinery snuttstach_think

worn galleon Jul 20, 2020, 4:41 PM

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With the right recipes, it can be really incredible what you can actually get out of even impure deposits.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:42 PM

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i just need 800 empty canister now

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i need more refinery for plastic and rubber XD

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its 60+ refinery

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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22gw power plant?

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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🤔

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i was just maxing 2 inpure node 🤣 dident thonk about that

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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lmao

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anyway a little tip: you can turn the resin into plastic and the plastic into canisters, and have the system feed itself

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but do make sure to drop a sink where needed or your system will be stuck when it's 100% filled with canisters

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:50 PM

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i mean once you have the right amount of canister you can unconnecter the cannister making from the system and plug it on storage and sink?

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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yes, or rather you need to but it can take a really long time and you don't want to sit there like an idiot for hours

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also depending on your belting you might need sinks on other spots

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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good point im really good at that 🤣

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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smart splitter does help

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if you do it correctly, I think you will only need one smart splitter and one sink as long as you drop it at the right place

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and you can just walk away

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:52 PM

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i will probably connect it before the balancing

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if i dont just manifold

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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my problem was that I had to split the line somewhere due to belt capacity, so even the post canister prod line was saturated

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had to setup a temporary sink

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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gotcha

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when thing like that happen to me i think i overclock the packaging

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temporary

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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nah

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by full, I don't mean only the empty canister line but the whole plant

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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hoooo

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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so empty, packed water, fuel and so on

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at some point the unpackage line couldn't work anymore because the belts for the output were 100% full

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i was using coke on my old plant as a oil residu waster

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for not clug

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belt at 100%

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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anyway, even if it happens it is easy to fix with a temp sink and by disconnecting the canister prod line

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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gotcha

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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by 100% I don't mean item speed limit but space on belts

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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yeah i sometime got one mk over to dont take chance

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if i can

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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also if it isn't too late you might consider going for the max oil power

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takes quite a lot of work and space but gives a lot of power

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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what the difference from my setup?

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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can't say since you only go for fuel, but if you have all the alts you can turn 300m³ of oil into 666.66 turbofuel

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so a lot of gens

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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ahhhhh

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yeah i dont have turbo fuel yet you are right

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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need compacted coal too

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so takes a long long time to make

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I found it interesting tho

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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i will note that so a combo with my setup+ compacted coal and turbo fuel

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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also to minimize space nad pumps use:

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have the packaging done on bottom floor, unpackaging on 2nd floor and fuel gens in the middle

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that way the final fuel fall into the gens

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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i installed myself at the ocean

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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and since you're flooring you don't have to spread out too wide

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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ok

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

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well, ocean should gives you more than enough space not to bother

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but it's interesting to do in more cramped biomes

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i did that on a island on the west of the map a platic+rubber+coke+power setup

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:02 PM

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single floor might be better on the ocean if you plant to expand since you can make one line/floor then

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the one with ribs-like archs?

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:03 PM

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i named it US ambassee

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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name it "Freedom"
With ""

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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XD

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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saw ppl reeferring to it as golden coast iirc

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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jep novadil

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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my power plant is near the bamboo forest in the area with black bubble tree-like things

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

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at north of the map is where im at right now there is like 8 node of oil

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boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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thats spire coast

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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my rubber (and plastic when I'm done) prod lines are on the north beach

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i named it coast doggo

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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jeah same

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yup, that's where

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and yeah, tons of doggos

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i seen i think 15 when i killed a boss

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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should I call it oily dogs beach

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:05 PM

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they all spawn at the same time

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the liberation of the doggos

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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dont call them boss :D those are only alpha

chilly wigeon Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Only

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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snuttstach_stare

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mid boss then

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i just got a disgeia vibe XD

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ok back to calculation 😛

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ok from my calculation i can squize 40 rubber and 40 plastic out of this

uneven jay Jul 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I feel like I just lucked out. I got the Heavy oil turbo fuel recipe on my 5th HD.

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Looks like its straight from no fuel to turbo fuel for me

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 6:12 PM

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But the turbo fuel that uses normal fuel is better than the heavy oil one.

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 6:18 PM

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HOR>Diluted fuel>Turbo Fuel. The bomb

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 6:19 PM

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diluted fuel+ comapcted coal

hollow jewel Jul 20, 2020, 6:19 PM

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What's that? 14.5GW with only 300 crude oil?

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 6:20 PM

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22.22~GW

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 6:20 PM

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22GW

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But like 70+ refineries.

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 6:20 PM

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iirc it's about 250 buildings in all

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 6:21 PM

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150ish fuel gens.

hollow jewel Jul 20, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Sounds like a good time to to design a megafactory basement

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 6:22 PM

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I'm making a giant T in the north. The process leading up to the turbo are all in the main spine. And the fuel gens are the left and right arms double stacked.

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I'm still salty that I planned to big

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Are you saying you're wasting power on pumps while you don't need to?

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 6:24 PM

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like I initially tought about making 3 floors of gens, but in the end 1 floor was enough and easier

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so now I have 2 empty floors in the middle of the plant

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Put all your golden nut statues there

eager solar Jul 20, 2020, 6:29 PM

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aight, time to let my computer on for about 10k hours to farm enough coupons

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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when you gotta pipeline you pipeline XD

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i think i will need to stack it 5 time XD

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:20 PM

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anyone know how i can split of 3 lines of ore perfectly into 6 lines for refinery ( bearing in mine that the 2 refinerys take more ore then 1 line of ore can provide)

sand garnet Jul 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Why not just manifold

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:21 PM

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whats that?

sand garnet Jul 20, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Row of splitters

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Each connected to the next in the row and to a machine

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Wiki has examples

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:24 PM

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ah

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like that could work yeh

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 PM

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3 lines into 6 lines? just split each line in two

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 PM

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2 refinerys take more then 1 line can provide

abstract copper Jul 20, 2020, 7:38 PM

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How can only 3 lines feed 6 refineries then?

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:39 PM

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cos the 6th refinery only needs a little

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abstract copper Jul 20, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Then splitting perfectly not needed

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

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im using the MK++ mod so that 66.86 gotta be devided by 5 then again by 2.5 for using slugs

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a single refinery takes 437.5 ore per minute

abstract copper Jul 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Oh that sounds complicated

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I'd just split each line to feed 2 apiece and underclock them all evenly

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So each refinery does only 390/min

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Rather than only having one running low speed

rotund hatch Jul 20, 2020, 7:45 PM

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this should do it

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abstract copper Jul 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Something like that too yeah

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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so i did that
and i'm proud
and i mean
i could use mk3 miners soon.
BUT
i don't have anything producing anything anymore, so i'm like
nah no way i'm DOUBLING everything right after rebuilding it xD i'll do that later i guess, i ain't squizing 48 water extractors in that lake and 120 coal gens xD

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abstract copper Jul 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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That's the other idea in my head for how to do the injected manifold but much harder to explain lol

fresh leaf Jul 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Yeah my tractor rides down that rough cliff edge path there

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

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guess who's gonna do an unnessessary huge load balancer for funzies ? welp, it's gonna take a few hours... 900 to 15

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hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Eeek. Manifold them bitches.

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 9:30 PM

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i find load balancer so beautiful i can't think of another way to make that thing as majestic and impressive as with a load balancer xD

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Haha. It's all about how you enjoy the game!

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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last one i did:

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960 to 45

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Just remember that you can easily make your load balancer vertical. Especially with an easy setup like that.

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Beautiful. I would never have the time to do that stuff. 1 or 2 hours every couple days for me. Quick and simple is my game plan.

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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This is why I never force manifolds on people, that looks awesome.

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i was like that at first, rushed to tier 6 in 30 hours with everything automated. then i found the game so beautiful when going nuts with everything and organization

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Now that I'm working in tier 7 finally, I'm slowly starting to slow down and make things look good

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 9:33 PM

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this was what it looked like where i'm currently building the power plant before sinking everything in there

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Do you think for a 4 axel exchanger its would work?

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for train

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Could just make it a circular cross section.

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What you drew there seems excessive with 4 loops.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:01 PM

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the 4 loop is when i want to go back

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if i dont want to finish the trip

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so a circle should work?

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I usually make it like this.

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

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hoooo i only have a one way

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

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You can combine the 2

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

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ok

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do the line who connect to the circle are 4 connection or 8 connection

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Not sure I understand that part

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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i dont know how to say it in english

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the curve are on conection or 2 connection to the circle

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Like this

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:07 PM

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ok think i see it now so its 8 connection

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yeah, you definitely have to connect every track to the circle.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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thank you its still complicated for me you seen my drawing XD

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Again, I'm not sure how useful it'll be, because you can't steer the train, you have to switch things manually.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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hooo

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so its will not work :/

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Probably not the way you want it to.

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Hopefully they'll add in that functionality though.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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back to drawing i guess

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man thats some mind scrambling

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Atleast the autopilot does it just fine. I rarely drive trains my self. That's beer time!

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:20 PM

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i just want to cut the time

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I just more time.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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because if i do this i will go to trains station 1 ->2->3->4 but i want to be able to go from 1 to any port

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Like a personal train?

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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yes

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thats my plan

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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That's what I do. I just tell me train where at off it goes.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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on paper its hard to see what the ebst way to do that because of each intersection are a or gate

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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My intersections are shit shows.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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hmm I haven't quite fooled with that yet, but a train is able to pass clean through a station if it has to go through it to reach another yeah?

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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i think the result will be that

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@worthy copper yup.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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so the autopilot should be able to do all the pathing for you (but i feel like its been a tad glitchy at points)

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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It sure does.

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It doesnt matter where on my train network I am. If i tell it to go somewhere, it will usualy go.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM

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I had some issues pathing through a loop at one point but that probably had to do with a single rail having 3 branches, 2 of which formed one loop

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turning that into a t-junction fixed it

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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with a or gate you cant enter in a 3 branche but you can enter from the 3 branche

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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i mean the autopilot got thrown by it too

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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the autopilot will move the red thingy?

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:27 PM

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autopilot doesn't care about the switches, it'll automatically send you on the right rail to path to the station if a path exists

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:27 PM

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so the circle design is suposed to work

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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With autopilot yes.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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perfect

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Even manually it will, you just have to switch it.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:28 PM

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yeah i mean i manually change the destination inside the autopilot

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so yeah xD

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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my path looked something like this, the train couldnt autopilot from the red path to the blue path through the loop, which I assume was something with all the connections at that one rail joint

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:30 PM

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lol its like my drawing

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:30 PM

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after that I definitely dont want to screw with more than 3 rails at any one point lol

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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You can only connect in a Y shape. Not an X.

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So the X shape will randomly connect to one leg of the existing Y if you try.

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And it will cause one track to not be connected to others.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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okay so when I added that joint that would have made a third switch, it just didnt connect

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because theres nowhere to put the switch

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Well it connected, just not in a way to connect everything.

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So depending on what you did, the black may have hooked to the blue, and not the red. Because the red was already hooked until the upper black, the black loop either was hooked to the red or blue.

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That barely made sense to me.

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Im sorry. It's hard to explain.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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I get the general sense of it

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so if I wanted to link everything like that I'd need to do this

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where the green is a new section of rail

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Move the red line farther down.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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hmm, I'm getting thrown by the fact a double switch appeared then

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cause I'd think there would be one switch for red-blue, and another for green-black loop from the other side

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and then another black loop-straightaway switch

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I thought the same thing but in my testing, it didnt apear to work that way.

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I could never get an X shape to see all 4 stations. Only 3.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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huh yeah that is weird, cause the game is able to path via 'endpoint' stations if youre on a double-sided train from what ive found

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so if you can only see 3 the x is definitely borked

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Yup, I have one train that's just push pull for simplicity.

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My oil field had a resin and fuel shipment station, they where are up in an X junction, for the longest time trains had a ton of trouble. Then I just kept redoing it, now they go in a giant loop until they orient correctly.

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But they wont ever just go straight to their station.

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:41 PM

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so... yeah I guess just dont ever have any more than one rail branching off of a single point

hot ginkgo Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Tl:dr of it.

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:45 PM

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okay, this load balancer is way harder to compact that i thought

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xD

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:45 PM

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what quota you looking at?

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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900 to 15

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60 outputs... xD

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in theory it's super easy, but to actually build it and compact it is really hard

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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what mk are you with the belt

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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4

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two times mk4 inputs

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:47 PM

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and you want to send the output where

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storage or another machine

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:47 PM

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in this, using a load balancer just to make it fancy

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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15X4

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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yup

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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you have 60 output and 60 input?

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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i have two belt for coal input (2x450/mn)
and i want 60 belts (60x15/mn)

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Wait, heck there's 15? Why

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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100% efficiency coal gen

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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coal gens? I'd probably just do a manifold layout

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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^

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there is nothing less precise then a coal gen

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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eh ik i could ddo manifold overflow, i just wanted to make this super frigging cool looking x)

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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takes a little longer to bootstrap it because your overflow has to sort itself out but it'll do that just fine

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hmm

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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guess i'll go with manifold until i double it all :c

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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you can do manifold balancing maybe

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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cuz i'm only with mk2 miners rn

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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so when making your balancer... do you care about belt clipping or no lol

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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i just don't have the parts for the mk5 belts rn

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i kinda do yeah
i'm looking for super clean builds, not hell lmao

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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i dont think the belt is that much of a issue really

worthy copper Jul 20, 2020, 10:51 PM

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you can make some pretty load balancers with verticality but theyll unapologetically clip belts

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:52 PM

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i mean i could prob reproduce my old load balancer but i need to take it and divide it one more time, and i have forgotten how i did it and it's so far away xD

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:52 PM

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think about multiple input point at the place of one split in many

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i think its can help

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give like 4 machine there didecated machine

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i hate this kind of setup but its can work

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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yeah i'll prob split in 4 each line and merge loop(?)

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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What are you feeding it coal or coke

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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coal

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I would manifold even after the balancing because of underproducing but you can keep it stacked if you want

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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i'll do a split manifold, it'll take less space and time so i can focus on starting producing parts for the big oil factory i'm planning, i'll come back here and rebuild everything the way i want when i'll unlock miners mk3 and mk5 belts

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:57 PM

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I unlock mk5 i almost never use them XD

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:58 PM

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i have mk4 and have to split too much cuz of the crazy outputs i pull eveywhere, i'm sinking so much shit even tho i don't even make advanced parts anymore

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i overclock every miner

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Yeah i should start to do that i have like a hundread overclocker

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 10:59 PM

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it's crazy how much you can do once you overclock ressource generators

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this runs on 960 input of limestone, with only 2 mk2 miners, and it never ever stops

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fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Like my 2 bad oil node who would maybe produced 10k power output

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:00 PM

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i'm making 5GW out of 3 normal coal nodes

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:01 PM

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i made 2 storage container full of biofuel with all the dead alien i killed XD

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maybe even more

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:02 PM

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i use it for inhalers cuz i keep falling off great heights

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:02 PM

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yep even more

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you cant use the carapace for that

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:02 PM

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like , i fell 3 times for this screen

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celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Literally never made liquid biofuel, wish it was useful for something.

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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im not that far in but im guessing liquid bio is useless

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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its usefull for the explorer i still use it some time

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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oh lmao

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Color gun ammo is better tho?

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:04 PM

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i only use carapace for it

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no flower no organ

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Like, color cartridge? Better than packaged fuel. Only thing above it is turbofuel, battery, and nuclear.

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Even solid biofuel is better than liquid biofuel, which make zero sense.

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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wait..

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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wait

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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no that cant be right surely, why even use liquid if its worse than solid

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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you can use color cartrige as fuel

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Vehicles

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Check the list. The lower it is, the better.

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Not only that, but the better the fuel, the better the acceleration.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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LOLLLLLLLLL

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i dident knew about the color thing

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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WAIT tf color cart ??? lmaooo

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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thats dumb

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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@celest vault wiki is wrong tho

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Why hasn't anyone fixed it yet then

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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packaged biofuel has 750 MJ energy value

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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wait, where does petro coke come in

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Same as normal fuel?

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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https://www.satisfactorytools.com/codex/items/packaged-liquid-biofuel

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

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packaged fuel has 600 MJ

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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cool

unborn stirrup Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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considering bio is harder to make than normal because its not automated

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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So all the values are wrong?

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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probably, yeah

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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y u no fix if u kno

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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mine are exported from ingame data files, so I'm hoping they are right

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well, I found it just now 🙂

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Why hasn't anyone fixed it yet then
@celest vault everyone can edit the page :)

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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it was weird as you said it so I checked against my tool

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yes, anyone can. I wasn't aware it was incorrect until now.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:10 PM

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me neither

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:10 PM

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oh okay ^^

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well when noone is using it ...

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Oh also, I lied, it doesn't make things faster, that stupid graph says acceleration, but it's just the time it lasts.

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Says who Hiski? I'm sure people use it all the time.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I assume "accelleration" means how long the vehicle can "accelerate"

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vehicles basically either accelerate or not at any point in time

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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It's explained in the description, it's the wrong word usage.

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You reach max speed at some point.

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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manifold 1 done, 480 input, /2 /2 then main bus

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Unless it means the energy it uses when you would theoretically accelerate infinitely?

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Says who Hiski? I'm sure people use it all the time.
@celest vault okay... when noone is checking it (better? xD)

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Like, say you hit the gas, you're using full until you hit near max, you stop again, and then accelerate once more. In which case, that's a really useless stat.

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@boreal cypress i'm always checking it for recipes and other data

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:14 PM

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but not for biofuel :D

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Biomass has gone from 120 to 180, solid biofuel is still the same...

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:14 PM

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@celest vault well, technically yes, but practically no. The wehicle pretty much accelerates all the time (even if it's at max speed) unless it's braking for a station

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at least that was what I was told by devs when I asked them around U2 release

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:15 PM

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That's not acceleration, that's maintaining speed. Yes, you're using energy, no you're not accelerating, that's not what that word means.

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:15 PM

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@wind spade not when the vehicle is going downhill :)

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:15 PM

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hm, maybe they optimized the logic a bit

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Dunno. I get your point though. But semantics

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:16 PM

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but essentially the vehicle either uses X energy/s or doesn't. It doesn't do "half acceleration"

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:16 PM

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It's like the train using 110MW when it first starts off accelerating, then stabilizes around 50ish when you're on a straight track. If you hit the brake, or let go, it'll be it's default 25MW

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:16 PM

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yeah that doesn't work for non-rail vehicles

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they either use full value or nothing

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Hmm, that's even more than double stupid then.

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And would also mean that the wiki page using acceleration would not fit this situation at all, because then we're just talking about "are you holding gas or not"

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:18 PM

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btw I may be wrong. But that's what I've been told, may have changed since

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Sure. I have no idea either. xD

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I think I once tried checking it with how quickly the explorer uses leaves. But I think I got sidetracked.

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Should be easy to test either theory with leaves though.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:19 PM

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anyway, I'll check with wiki team and ask them about the MJ values

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Sure! There's a few changes in there for sure. Biomass, liquid biofuel. Somehow color cartridges still being better.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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somebody said they can't be used as fuel

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but that was long time ago as well

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Not sure who, but I don't need to load up my save to know you abso-positive-ly can.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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not sure if that's still true

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alright

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I know for a fact that there's 200 color cartridges in my explorer right now. Would bet my life on that.

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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when was the last update?

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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May

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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ok

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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#patch-notes

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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#patch-notes ... you can always look there xD

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Well, I mean, the big one

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There's been smol updates since then

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 PM

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teach a man how to fish... 😄

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 PM

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and he will use it as a ... hust

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 PM

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ty

celest vault Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Look, I try to teach people how to fish every time. Then 2 seconds later another person comes in and asks the same thing. :V

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:22 PM

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i had to cut my main factories off the grid to start off the 24 water extractors xD

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i only had 1.5GW emergy power left, and the small factories feeding the main one running, 1.5GW max, 1.48GW consumption xD

fresh geyser Jul 20, 2020, 11:23 PM

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yeah i think something like that is about to happen here too

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lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:24 PM

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x)

fierce ruin Jul 20, 2020, 11:24 PM

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wish i had enough money to buy satisfacory

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:24 PM

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coal gens are all fed, now need to fill up the pipes before plugging them

eternal crown Jul 20, 2020, 11:25 PM

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@wind spade Hopefully I'm not bothering you by pinging, but I messed around with the settings as you suggested, and this is wonderful! Thank you for your help! This is exactly what I wanted.

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lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:26 PM

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the noise is insane

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:26 PM

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happy to help 🙂 if you have any feedback or feature requests or anything, feel free to get back to me. The tools also have discord server that you can use for that 🙂

eternal crown Jul 20, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I did run into a little trouble getting the chart to generate for a few minutes. Kept getting errors saying that there was no possible outcomes. Had to refresh the page. A small annoyance I can work around now that I know I need to do so.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:27 PM

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huh

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next time you run into this, please share your setup

eternal crown Jul 20, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Sure thing.

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:28 PM

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we can try to help you find the issue (or you found the bug in the tool)

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:28 PM

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@wind spade when you move those blocks arround and go to another tab (in your calculator) and go back to the first tab, all blocks are reset and in standard position as before... is there a fix?

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:29 PM

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i only have 24 water extracctors , head lifters and 3 overclocked mk2 miners and comsumming 700-800MW lmao

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:29 PM

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@boreal cypress 🙂

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boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:29 PM

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ahh nice xD

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:29 PM

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no time right now

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there's like 10 items in priority column

boreal cypress Jul 20, 2020, 11:31 PM

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is this public?

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:31 PM

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4 minutes to fill up the pipes xD

wind spade Jul 20, 2020, 11:33 PM

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@boreal cypress https://trello.com/b/lMTz0RyT/satisfactory-tools-dev but there's not all of the features I want to add. But most of the bug reports are there

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

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@celest vault do you know by any chance if you can run vehicles on packaged HOR? 😄

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since that sounds weird

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or packaged oil

lucid needle Jul 20, 2020, 11:39 PM

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only got to plug the water pipes tomorrow 😄

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barren elm Jul 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Does it bother anyone else when people's bases aren't north/south aligned, or is it just me

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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not me XD

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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@wind spade interestingly, the wiki has a listing for packed hor burn time.

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 12:09 AM

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well packaged HOR has energy value

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my question was whether or not it is possible to put it in a vehicle

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same with packaged crude oil

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:18 AM

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ho no knuckle voice

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F

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 12:19 AM

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@wind spade hor cannot be used by vehicles not generators, despite it has a fuel value

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:19 AM

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glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 12:19 AM

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1712 to tier7? You are impressive

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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i dident know its was good XD

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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how do you have such a weird number? OC/UC a Generator?

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@fresh geyser

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:31 AM

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i dident overclocked yet XD

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nor underclock

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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but how do you get 1712 xD

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:32 AM

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i have a couple coal reator

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thats pretty much it

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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coal gen= 75 MW
Fuel Gen 150 MW

i dont see any possibility do have 2 at the end xD

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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i dont have fuel yet XD

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i use coke petrolium and coal

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i have it in canister thats all

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:34 AM

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maybe you have UC a gen without knowing

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:34 AM

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i can go look my train is setup

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i can go to my 4 base see

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its choo choo time

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i will count all my power generator and i will post it

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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noz only count xD look into them :D

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:36 AM

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ok

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:37 AM

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you have atleast one gen UC/OC

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:37 AM

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someone here told me to never touch a power gen so yeah give me 10 min i will check them all

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Gens throttle themselves and nothing is gained with overclock. More then likely why someone said that.

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:40 AM

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probably you even XD

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:41 AM

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@hot ginkgo jeah but he/she shouldnt have 1712 Capacity without any UC/OC

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yup. Just making sure they understood the reason.

I agree though. Definitely a clock issue.

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 AM

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i finish base A

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14 coal generator fuel with coal all at 100%

zealous cosmos Jul 21, 2020, 12:44 AM

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woot woot

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 12:44 AM

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im going at US ambassee after that tatooine

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ok Us ambasee 6 at 100% working on coke petrolium with 4 on standby

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 12:50 AM

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20 coal gens so far

dusty crow Jul 21, 2020, 12:52 AM

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a resource is 842m away from my base. how much materials would I need for conveyors and power poles?

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:53 AM

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A belt costs one item every two meters.

dusty crow Jul 21, 2020, 12:53 AM

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also poles

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:54 AM

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So 421 of whatever belt you have.

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A power lines max distance is 100 metera.

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This is all on the wiki as well.

dusty crow Jul 21, 2020, 12:55 AM

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welp

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i'm at the caterium and quartz point, well, approaching it. haven't done my first space elevator task yet

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Lots of juicy things in the MAM.

dusty crow Jul 21, 2020, 12:59 AM

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i've noticed. like the gun.. which is expensive to research

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the rebar one

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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ok last base 7 running at 100% on coal

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:03 AM

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wait 7?

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:04 AM

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yep

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:04 AM

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and you have 1712 capacity?

wtf ... you should have 2025 with 27 coal gens

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:04 AM

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there is a couple on off at us ambasee

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:05 AM

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jeah didnt count that 4 on stand by

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:05 AM

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so at this point idk XD

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thats my whole setup

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1725 capacity

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look like that moving around have raise a number

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:07 AM

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jeah that fixed it xD seems like 4 arent connected to the power grid

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:07 AM

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so yeah its legit i guess 😛

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all with coal

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and coke

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time to go to doggo bay

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:09 AM

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well ... want to check which one arent connected to your power grid? xD

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:09 AM

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the 4 on stand by

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they just at off right now because i dont produced enought coke

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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but i didnt counted them xD

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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so there is 4 who dont work?

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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wait are 4 of 6 offline?

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:10 AM

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let me check thats a lot fo number

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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in US Ambassee

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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4 off

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on 6 total

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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okay than its correct now xD

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thought 6 working and 4 extra offline

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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sorry

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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so 10 total

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np :D we solved it ^^

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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so yeah no underclock or overclock 😛

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time to pump thos number up with my first fuel generator

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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was still weird that you had 1712 xD

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have fun ^^

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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yeah its fixed itself weirdly enough

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i already have 13h of biofuel XD

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 2:38 AM

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purple juice flowing too much XD

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 4:11 AM

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1712MW is super insufficient consider you are approaching tier7, but you managed to get it, and that's where it is impressive

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 4:18 AM

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🤣

cerulean marlin Jul 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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whats the plastic and rubber meta/best ratios and what i need to do it

modern crane Jul 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Im in Tier 5 and got 10GW soooo...lil weird

cerulean marlin Jul 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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hell yea brother, im T5 and I just got 25 GW w/ turbo fuel

naive flower Jul 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Turbofuel made with heavy oil residue was the best thing that happend to me

vernal herald Jul 21, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Tier 7 still on coal power

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Still hunting for turbo fuel alternate

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 6:12 AM

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@cerulean marlin at beginning you need more plastic than rubber (220 plastic, 140 rubber), at the end you probably need equal amount of both (900 each, and scale up)

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@naive flower best until you unlock all recipes

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25GW at tier5 is overkill, but why not if you can😄

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 7:25 AM

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i post a screen shot of my setup man im so exausted its a take a lot of focus idk how you guys do xD

eager solar Jul 21, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I didn't do the 22 GW plant in one sitting that's for sure

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same for the 900 rubbers and the 900 plastics I'm doing

sand smelt Jul 21, 2020, 7:44 AM

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on the wiki for turbo motors, it lists a comparison between the regular recipe and the alternate recipe, and it also claims to have used a bunch of other alternates in the process. Is there an accepted "best" way to produce turbomotors (assuming you are going for a maxed out production, i.e. bottlenecked on bauxite) or does it not matter since nothing else is anywhere near as bottlenecked as the bauxite so you can more or less do whatever you want with the alternates all the way down?

celest vault Jul 21, 2020, 8:39 AM

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Bauxite is definitely the limiting factor. Best is kind of subjective, because you're either building a ridiculously complicated factory, or not using your resources properly.
If you want to look at the complete nightmare of making 156 turbo motors, here: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=3JT2KuBM2NKrvh9PDaq2
You can turn off some alt recipes and see if it's still possible.

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@sand smelt ^

sand smelt Jul 21, 2020, 8:44 AM

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when you say "not using your resources properly", what do you mean? You are not fully utilising them? Or you could be using them more efficiently?

celest vault Jul 21, 2020, 8:54 AM

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The latter. Seeing bauxite is the bottleneck, you wouldn't technically have to use pure copper ingots, or could be using steel rotors, etc.

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greeny's calculator finds the best possible combination through weighted calculation. Weighted being comparing all resources, seeing what you have the least of, and giving that a lower priority to be used than say iron, which you have an abundance of.

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Other than the obvious such as pure ingots and fused quickwire, i found that caterium computer is better tham crystal com, and silicone circuit board is better than caterium circuit board. HSC and cable better stick to vanilla.... and so on

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And coke steel is no way better than solid steel

river night Jul 21, 2020, 10:28 AM

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there is many alts that are just plain better

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 10:39 AM

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@stark bronze

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lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Would this actually function? this mess is supposed to be a manifold with multiple injectors but im not sure if it would actually work at 100% efficiency, the orange boxes are assemblers that require 50nails, blue S splitters yellow M mergers and black lines are mk2 belts carrying 100nails each

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wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 12:22 PM

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why not just split each incomming belt to two constructors?

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*assemblers

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 12:22 PM

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good question, yeah that would probably be whole lot more functional lmao

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

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screws (and wire and quickwire) are better made using 1:1 or 1:2 ratio

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rather than trying to manifold them

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

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yeah my whole factorys kind of a mess as i started a stupidly large project without unlocking steel first

chilly wigeon Jul 21, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Who doesnt?

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Is that rotors?

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 1:51 PM

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yeah im tryna make roughly 40-50 rotors a minute using copper rotor while tryna keep my power usage fairly low (so around 200MW), currently using roughly 30 smelters and 30 constructors for it, about to start building the actual assemblers

mental geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I dont think you can make 50 rotors a minute under 200 mw

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assemblers alone will take 150-180 MW

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let alone the constructors and the smelters

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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nah the large amount of assemblers, smelters and constructors etc is due to underclocking, the assemblers should only take around 30-40 MW

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4 100% working assemblers is 44.5 rotors a minute using copper rotor so im making 16 assemblers and underclocking them all to 25%

mental geyser Jul 21, 2020, 1:55 PM

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actually copper rotors quite a bit less of energy

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tell me if you succeed

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 1:59 PM

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sounds legit

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wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 2:02 PM

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what's that value anyway?

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is it just how many MJ you use in the assembler?

celest vault Jul 21, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Yep

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 2:02 PM

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because that just sounds like item energy value and I got confused xD

celest vault Jul 21, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Yes, let's put that item in the explorer fuel slot and see how far it gets.

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I mean having a rotor in your vehicle is nice

boreal cypress Jul 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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dont you have already a rotor in any vehicle?

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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that's why it's nice to have it there

fierce ruin Jul 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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1 megajoule for 1 second is 1 megawatt

azure hill Jul 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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use infinite scroll wheel for starter for fast fuel

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celest vault Jul 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Pfff, just use a macro.

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Wait my setup can do 900 plastix/ min with recycle alt XD

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I need those alt ahahhah

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 3:18 PM

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@azure hill rocky desert have a lot of dead bushes, all yield many woods which are superior to leaves

wanton axle Jul 21, 2020, 3:26 PM

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In Dune desert, you have to run far way to get more for biomass LOL

hot ginkgo Jul 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Just kills the mobs!

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@mental geyser finally im done with it lmao, 44.5 rotors a minute using only tier 2 stuff at 185mw a minute (ignore the iron smelters in right corner, they are irrelevant to this)

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mental geyser Jul 21, 2020, 3:43 PM

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nice!!!!

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damn 44.5 rotors / min at tier 2...

lean bobcat Jul 21, 2020, 3:45 PM

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copper rotors are so amazingly efficient, now to get a stitched iron plate factory going with those iron smelterys

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@mental geyser op

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 4:59 PM

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3/4 of the job done i just need to make some refinery to unpacking and im done

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glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 5:16 PM

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You might need 14 refineries for unpacking

mental geyser Jul 21, 2020, 5:22 PM

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the fact you need refineries for packages is bs

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I'm considering adding a packaging mod

glacial hemlock Jul 21, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Ok, then please do so.

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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yes i need 13.33 refinery 🤣

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 6:39 PM

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look like that overclocking fuel generator is a good idea

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i just done some math

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look not exponancial to me

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800 input fuel = 26.35 machines × 303.52 power = 7997.75 Watt 250% overclock
800 input fuel = 53.33 machines × 150 power = 7999.5 Watt 100% overclock

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time to test in on the field see if the calculator is right

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 7:03 PM

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you'll get the same power output from 800 fuel, no matter how much you overclock the gen

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@fresh geyser

fresh geyser Jul 21, 2020, 7:04 PM

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cool

chilly wigeon Jul 21, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@wind spade why your tool wants to use pure aluminium scrap recipe and not silica one?

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I guess it's more efficient to use that in terms of raw resources

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but you can always disable the recipe to force the tool to use something different

fresh leaf Jul 21, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Is there a way with the tool to say essentially... how many x/m can I make if I’m constrained to y/m of a specific part

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I’ve been able to brute force it

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Just change the target till the input matches

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:45 PM

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yes, you can. You can set your raw material limits in items, input and then use maximize instead of items/min

fresh leaf Jul 21, 2020, 8:45 PM

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👍

misty meadow Jul 21, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Afraid to ask if this is the right place to ask for help with pumps.

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:51 PM

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what help do you need? also if you're transporting fluids for longer distances or high up, consider other options instead

misty meadow Jul 21, 2020, 8:52 PM

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What other options?

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For high up AND long distance.

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:53 PM

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usually it's "bring other stuff to liquids, not liquids to other stuff"

misty meadow Jul 21, 2020, 8:53 PM

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So, move my coal burner lower and closer?

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And just stretch cable?

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:53 PM

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if you're doing coal generators, definitely just build them where water is

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you need the cable there anyway for water extractors

misty meadow Jul 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Why didnt I think of that? The water is right next to my coal mines anyway.

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I'm a dummy.

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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no worries 🙂

misty meadow Jul 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Thank you

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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transporting liquid for longer distances or high altitudes is a pain. It's doable, but it's better to just avoid it

prisma heart Jul 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Apparently Iv been doing Manifold/Bus systems in groups of 4 machines, without realizing it? O_O ... Though, Now I am having problems with, Do people create seperate entire lines for the same product but going to a different assembler?

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IE- Iron Rods make Screws AND Rotors

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Currently, my factory just splits off before its sent down the "Screws" line and shoots up to a floor above to be fed in for Rotors

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Theres no Container, or any of that jazz. Do I need to put storage containers after a line and junk?

radiant bridge Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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did you know that in satisfactory you can get rid of toxic waste from nueclear plants permantly by placeing toxic waste in a lizard doggos inventory and then freaking killing it?

wind spade Jul 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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yes you can but I assume that'll be fixed soon and it's also pretty slow way of getting rid of it

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@prisma heart for wire, screws and quickwire, it's better to make it onsite and connect it for example 1:1 instead of putting that into a manifold

prisma heart Jul 21, 2020, 9:22 PM

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cant really see it all THAT well, due to the return lines being on top of the input lines. But this is how Iv been doing my "Ingot" Production lines

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That way, I can easily expand onto this

scenic jasper Jul 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

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@prisma heart Make ROWS of the single use ingot items, then the double use ingot items make a seperate row, drag the stuff from the previous run back to the start and branch it off into a storage container and to that new run

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abstract copper Jul 22, 2020, 1:15 AM

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where does the 3 water per 8 coal generators come from? Coal generators claim to take 50m3/m and water provides 120m3/m, so that doesn't come out evenly... Is 5 water per 12 coal generators the correct ratio?

indigo vigil Jul 22, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Coal gens take 45. 45 x 8 gens is 360 water. 3 extractors at 120 is 360.

wind spade Jul 22, 2020, 1:18 AM

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@abstract copper coal gens take 45m3 of water

abstract copper Jul 22, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Thanks

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So the display in game is wrong?

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nevermind

indigo vigil Jul 22, 2020, 1:19 AM

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No, you're looking at the internal storage that it can hold.

wind spade Jul 22, 2020, 1:19 AM

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The display ingame is correct

abstract copper Jul 22, 2020, 1:20 AM

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derp I was looking at the wrong thing, right Suzaku

stark bronze Jul 22, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Ive been looking at the 900 plastic map for 3 hours

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The math is art

stark bronze Jul 22, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Wait you can also make 900 rubber? These recipes are amazing

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Excuse me what

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You can basically put one of them in a closed loop and make as much as the fuel supports

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Extreme stonks

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Fix cheap silica rates

fresh geyser Jul 22, 2020, 6:29 AM

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its progressing

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quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Let's talk about aluminum production for a moment. I've set this up both times and for the life of me I can't figure it out. I mean I understand the concepts of what makes what. But what is killing me is water pressure. Even if I match the water levels to the incoming water for the refineries making the alumina solution, the water backwash (or whatever you call it) from the next set of refineries fed back into the main water line causes those second sets to fill up with water. I've tried underclocking, overclocking, turning things off even.. It's either too high or too low.. can't figure it out.

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It's not a perfect 1:1. i.e this device takes 80 m/3 and we feed it 80 m/3.. but wait, here comes more water from the next set of refineries - now it's taking in 100 water. So go back to the first water extractors, and tune them down a bit...wait, the pipes are full of water, too late.... gah!!

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what I need is a water overfill device... Too much water in the pipe past nn level? Drain some out. Instead of a smart switch, I need a smart valve. 🙂

glacial hemlock Jul 22, 2020, 7:37 AM

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@quasi kettle i have a aluminum guide on the wiki, try to find it :D

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 7:37 AM

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alrighty

weak helm Jul 22, 2020, 7:51 AM

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"Alumina solution" produces 80 solution and eats 100 water
"Aluminum Scrap" eats 240 solution and produces 60 water
Balance is 2 water extractors (+240 water), 3 "Alumina solution" (-300 water, +240 solution), 1 "Aluminum Scrap" (-240 solution, +60 water)

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I replace 3x100% "Alumina solution" with 60% + 3x80%. 60% feeds from "Aluminum Scrap", and 3x80% feed from water extractors. Everything balanced and safe.

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:02 AM

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I need to read that a few times to grok it. 🙂 Thanks

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So in the end you're using 3 water extractors at 80% + the 60 coming back into the line from the Alum Scrap single refinery ?

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80% of 120 is 96... so you're pumping in 288 + 60? or did you mean 80 quantity of water, not percentage?

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I think I have my setup nailed down now - I'm going for the mega 720 per minute output. 22 refineries, 10 water extractors, 8 alum scraps - that's split evenly between 2 foundrys and 7 smelters on each side. Getting there.

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Doing it piecemeal like you mention might work, but I'm trying the "throw it all in the pipe" and use what you need methodology.

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something like this:

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chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Why are you using coke

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Not coal

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Coke is better, no?

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I prefer coal

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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The Alt recipe calls for coke

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Easier to setup

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Coal is better

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The recipe gives you more alluminum in the end

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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And I think coal is more efficient too

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Actually that's not the alt.. how do you do coal?? I mean the recipe calls for coke?

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Alternative

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Veery good alternative

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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The alternate uses coal instead of coke

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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How do you yield more aluminum when it's still producing the fluid, which then turns into scraps later on in the line.

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Or is there a step skipped someplace.

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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🤷

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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you said it gives you more, so I'm just asking how... what numbers are different? Swapping coke for coal, still yields the same fluid, unless I'm missing something.

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Look

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Normal is 1 to 1.5

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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ratio 2 to 3 with the original recipe
retio 3 to 5 with the alt

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Alternative is 1 to 1.6666

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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It actually produces less scrap

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150/m vs 360/m

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not sure how that yields more in the end.

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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But it consumes way more

river night Jul 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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its just slower, but more efficient

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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It makes you need more refineries, but you gst more scrap

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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you have one consumming 240/min and the othr 90/min

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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OIC

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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make it so they consume the same amount of alllumina solution and you'll see that it's more efficient

river night Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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assume 300 solution, the original makes 450 scrap, the alt makes 500

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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exactly

river night Jul 22, 2020, 8:20 AM

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but you do need more refineries

hoary gate Jul 22, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Just uses more power and use coal instead of petrolum coke

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:23 AM

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yep... weighing the diffs now.. more power for 12% more yield. with about 30 refineries already in this setup, not sure I have room for more in this loc. I already had the coke and rubber, so that's not a big loss to give that up.

chilly wigeon Jul 22, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Then its easy

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I am going home today..... time to get all tier 5 & 6

quasi kettle Jul 22, 2020, 8:50 AM

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@quasi kettle i have a aluminum guide on the wiki, try to find it :D
@glacial hemlock Tried to, maybe looking on the wrong wiki? If you have it, please link it and tag me - going to bed soon. 🙂

glacial hemlock Jul 22, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Ok wait...

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Tutorial:How_to_play#Advanced_Aluminum_Production

Satisfactory Wiki

Tutorial:How to play

This page serves as a how to play guide / walkthrough for Satisfactory.

fierce ruin Jul 22, 2020, 12:12 PM

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Tbh I don't bother with the coal recipe until I want to use more than a full 300 line of coke

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Literally everything is easier with the coke recipe, the math is easier, less refineries, less power

sand smelt Jul 22, 2020, 12:13 PM

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But 156 turbo motors!

fierce ruin Jul 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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I mean, you need to make a bootstrap aluminum refinery just to get mk5 belts

sand smelt Jul 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Ye ofc :)

fierce ruin Jul 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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That bootstrap uses coke

sand smelt Jul 22, 2020, 12:14 PM

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You are 100% right

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My bootstrap used coal but only because I wanted to get a feel for the full line

devout flax Jul 22, 2020, 3:46 PM

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splitter/merger math question, if you attempt to merge a 60 and 120 line, is it possible to immediately split into 2 90 lines with a belt that can handle 180 ore?

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 3:49 PM

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If the belt you use after the 60+120 line is mk3, sure.

open furnace Jul 22, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Does anyone have a good oil layout for a pure node?

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 3:50 PM

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To make what

devout flax Jul 22, 2020, 3:50 PM

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so it isn't possible to directly connect a splitter to a merger or vice versa without a belt?

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 3:51 PM

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You can only connect splitters/mergers directly to belts or lifts.

devout flax Jul 22, 2020, 3:51 PM

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copy

open furnace Jul 22, 2020, 3:52 PM

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To make what
Plastic and rubber

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 3:52 PM

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How much of each? Do you have the recycle alt recipes and the diluted fuel?

open furnace Jul 22, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Don't mind as long as it uses all the oil it can make. I've only got ''Residual rubber, residual plastic, plastic, rubber as recipies

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I've just unlocked the oil production

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 3:54 PM

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In that case I'd suggest just making like 4 or 5 refs of each for plastic and rubber, then turn the heavy oil into coke coal or fuel; you can easily sink the coke, not the fuel.

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You could make a really nice system, but without alt recipes you're not going to be able to use all product properly.

wind spade Jul 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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best layout is HOR -> Diluted packaged fuel -> Plastic/Rubber recycling, so unless you have all those or are willing to get them, I wouldn't build anything big

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you can also get some layouts from the tools that are in the pinned post

eager solar Jul 22, 2020, 4:01 PM

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yeah, if you want to make the most of your oil you need a few alt recipes, and you also want to have the mats for refineries automated cause you're going to build tons of them

fierce ruin Jul 22, 2020, 7:55 PM

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rapid vector Jul 22, 2020, 8:07 PM

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is it possible to produce 780 turbo motors/min without any mods? i tried using the calculator site but that has been running for a week now without a solution, just wondered if anyone ever thought about that

scenic jasper Jul 22, 2020, 8:10 PM

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@fierce ruin what program are u using to map those out?

river night Jul 22, 2020, 8:10 PM

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no there is not enough resources for that, you can at most make 156 turbo motors per minute

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and then you run out of bauxite

rapid vector Jul 22, 2020, 8:16 PM

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thanks for the answer, i kinda expected to not be able to produce 780, i just didnt think bauxite would be the biggest problem

muted crypt Jul 22, 2020, 8:27 PM

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@scenic jasper they might just be using draw.io

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Hello guys, I need some help with the coal and water, as this is my first time I have played with it. (used to old coal) Whats the math behind how many water extractor per coal gen. I simply cannot for the life of me figure it out

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 10:46 PM

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45/m per coal gen. And extractors make 120/m

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Should i just go 1 into 2 coal

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Meaning a perfect ratio is 3 extractors to 8 generators.

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:47 PM

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does flow rate have much to do with it?

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wait, nevermind

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thank you my good sir for your help

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 10:48 PM

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A little bit. Pipes have a flow rate max of 300. So when you have 3 extractors, you're making 360 water/m, meaning you need at least 2 pipes.

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Anytime!

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:49 PM

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ok, so i have 16 gens, which means if i have a pipe line of 4 splitting into the gens from the extractors, that should work?

fresh geyser Jul 22, 2020, 10:50 PM

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i made so many error on my line reee XD

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its 5 refinery for water but 8 for mk4 belt

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Sounds good Griff

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I hope you mean 4 pipelines, and not 1 pipeline that splits into 4 though. x)

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:51 PM

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there's so many variables.. i miss copper wire 😋

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now should i keep pipes separate or connect them so they can share

celest vault Jul 22, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I mean, you can let them share, it's up to you. As long as all numbers have some pathway without going over 300.

digital sail Jul 22, 2020, 10:55 PM

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sweet

fresh geyser Jul 22, 2020, 11:43 PM

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i finished the unpacking section now i need to think if i go full turbo or hybrid with recycle plastic rubber

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scenic jasper Jul 22, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Maths are lit

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I got my screw game on point!

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molten hare Jul 22, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Re waterex/coal ratio: Am I the only one using 5 to 13 coal ratio, here?

glacial hemlock Jul 23, 2020, 1:23 AM

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5 >13/2.66 so you have enough water, and that's means that's nothing wrong with your ratio.

molten hare Jul 23, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Whenever someone suggests 3/8, I become sad :(
5:13 is more efficient on the throughput, unlike 5:8 which is the I/O.

ripe light Jul 23, 2020, 1:47 AM

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First attempt to split 120 to 90 and 30 does it look right (comment or leave a reaction to the picture)

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exotic swallow Jul 23, 2020, 1:47 AM

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5:13 is 600 water and only using 585 for gen so 15 left over. 5:8 is 360 water and use 360 for gen, no left over. more effective

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@ripe light you should be ablt to do it with 2 splitters and 1 merger only

ripe light Jul 23, 2020, 1:53 AM

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yea probably thank you for the suggestion

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when i try it, it comes to 100 and 20 not 90 and 30

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nvm i figured it out i know what you mean

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does that look better @exotic swallow i think it checks out

exotic swallow Jul 23, 2020, 3:00 AM

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@ripe light yep looks good 🙂

quasi kettle Jul 23, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Thanks @glacial hemlock - I posted in #screenshots my success. 800/m aluminum factory. Sure, there's a bit extra, but the sink is hungry. 🙂

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I think the hardest part was realizing the 4th refinery in the pod - the one clocked to 96% is never full of water - it cycles around 25... That threw me as I've always tried to max out my inputs, but if you do that here, you constipate the system. After testing just 1 pod setup for a few hours, I realized that... copy/paste 4 more pods and 800/m output.

worthy copper Jul 23, 2020, 7:07 AM

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hmm i should rig my extra plates to a sink

wind spade Jul 23, 2020, 9:35 AM

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@ripe light why not just use manifold

weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 10:09 AM

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@wind spade because perfect split is classy

wind spade Jul 23, 2020, 10:10 AM

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@weak helm technically manifold also splits perfectly

weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 10:12 AM

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but backed up conveyors are frustrating

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and who knows, may be perfect split is better for performance?

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 10:15 AM

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a perfect split is perfect regardless of manifold or balancer

wind spade Jul 23, 2020, 10:25 AM

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yup, the result is the same and you'll end up with backed conveyors anyway, as futher down the road, perfect splits are hard/impossible

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 10:30 AM

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oh my god this is so triggering

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weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Collision boxes and conveyor port deapth MUST be alighed with 1m grid!

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:00 AM

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My balancer sense is tingling, and I'm hearing people spew nonsense about manifolds again.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:01 AM

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exactly which part is nonsense

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Manifolds splitting perfectly. Far from it.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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they do

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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I don't think you know what the word perfect entails, Tom.

sand smelt Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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I mean, ignoring the full inputs

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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if your machines need all the items per minute, thats a perfect split

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Exactly. If it needs that. If it doesn't, it doesn't remotely come close to perfect.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:03 AM

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if you provide 300 per min and you need 300 per min, all the items get used regardless of balancer or manifold

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https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/735801746609274880

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it was about perfect split.

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we werent talking about anything other than that

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:04 AM

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And? Just because it fits the situation doesn't mean you can make a general statement over all situations.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:04 AM

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I didnt

sand smelt Jul 23, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Malibloo, in what situation does a manifold not perfectly feed the machines

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:05 AM

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In a situation where you set things up slightly in the wrong way, and it literally takes hours for you to notice, while you'd notice it absolutely instantly in a perfect split.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:05 AM

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if you feed it with enough items per minute, manifold and balancer work equally well.

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it doesnt take 'literally hours'

sand smelt Jul 23, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Ah, so if it is not a manifold it doesn't work

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:06 AM

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It tooks hours on my end, because I had miscalculated something, and one of the machines was constantly short. And instead of being able to see it right away with a perfect split, I figured "Oh hey, manifold shenanigans, I'm sure it'll fix itself at some point."

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And before anyone comes along with the whole "But then you didn't make a manifold right.", that's the damned point. It's more prone to faults, and less likely to notice them.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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a manifold filling up takes at most 21:10 min

sand smelt Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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But you can have chained manifolds

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Not even remotely sure where in the world you managed to get that number from

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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for items that have a 100 stack size

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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For a mining setup like this, should I have the smelters staggered or at the same level?

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celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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There's multiple machines.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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im using a 780 belt filling 26 machines in a double manifold

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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You can place the smalters where you want @timber sentinel That's actually a good design.

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Alright, thanks

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Sure. But your item output is ridiculously high. Don't tell me I need to explain math to you now

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My item output was 12/m, iirc. And it had to be 16, or something.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:10 AM

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we're talking about a setup where manifolds get the required items per minute

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Do you listen to what I say at all, ever?

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:10 AM

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are you going to act condescending? we've been over this in DMs, let's stay civil

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Tom, I've pointed out twice now what I've been talking about, and you keep trying to swerve the discussion into a discussion I'm not having. It's obnoxious and disrespectful, because you're not reading what I'm saying at all.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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you joined a discussion with pre-existing context

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and you're trying to divert it to a context you provide after you join

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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I started a discussion over a general statement that might work in that situation, but definitely not in every.

weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

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For me manifold is like underused machine. It does all the work I need it to, but it's not perfect

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

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I never claimed it works in every situation malibloo

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Then don't make it a general statement

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

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where did i make it a general statement

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please quote it for me

weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Yes, gamewise underused machine wastes energy, and manifold doesn't waste anything. But still.

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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underused machines dont waste energy

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Yes, we're talking about when you provide the machines with all the required items

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if your line of machines need 300 and you provide it 300, it's irrelevant if you use manifold or balancer

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it will be a perfect split regardless

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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You didn't say that, nor was it the subject. This is just something you add onto every discussion because you think it's the default, while it's not.

lunar pike Jul 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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just unlocked nuclear "anyone got a pen, paper and rulers" need to start drawing up some plans LOL

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Ive mentioned it a few times though afterwards

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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That was the last thing you said before I started my discussion.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/735814258373427200

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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once again. Yes, manifold keeps 100% machine efficiency. But it's just not nice. Also I hate stacks of items when I dismantle setup.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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why not just let it run until its empty then @weak helm

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disconnect the input lines and then let it run til empty and then dismantle

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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And I always mention, relevant or not, that manifolds are exactly what people use in factorio, except they use inserters instead of splitters to put things in the machines.

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Using balancers to feed every machine can be cool, but it's not what most people do.

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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"You said this general statement that's incorrect."
-"But I said this thing after the general statement after you jumped in so it's okay."
"But then the general statement was still general and you can't change your past words, that's not how time works."

weak helm Jul 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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@sand garnet it takes time. And if here are multiple intermidiates, some may finish earlier.

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Balancers are more used to feed each of the manifold lines, that's where they can be valuable.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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@celest vault if you're going to quote me, please actually quote me so I can understand what you're saying

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i have no clue what you mean right now

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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You made a general statement. I'm saying the general statement is wrong. You're saying the general statement only applied to this one thing, but you never specified that at all, making the statement what it is, general. Anything you re-specify regarding said general statement after it doesn't matter, because I already pointed out the general statement is wrong.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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Im saying I made a general statement in the context of that particular thing, making it not a global statement but a statement within context

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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In/output in Factorio is heavily different than in Satisfactory. Not because of inserters, but because of the nature of the limited amount of material. In Factorio you mine a whole field, belts get saturated, and that's how you know you have enough. In SF everything is infinite, but has a limited output. It requires much more precision, ergo why belt balancing is a thing.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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you assume I automatically apply it to everything, which I dont, as we've had this discussion before

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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General statements generally have exceptions, and you stated one of the exceptions. I don't see what the argument is about.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

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you know how much each miner is mining

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that's how you manage belts

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and you need balancing in factorio

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

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But you never specified. You can't just say now that you called all apples dumb, and then later specify you think Granny Smith is the shit.

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That's the bad thing about general statements.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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you never asked, and since it was self-evident for me I never figured I'd need to specify

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Right, it's the "self-evident" part I have a problem with.

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Because it's not evident to everyone else.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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so ask me to clarify before making assumptions

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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This is basically the twitter argument of "you didn't list all the exceptions in your 280-character post"

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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It's not about "all the exceptions", it's about don't make general statements that you know are incorrect. It takes literally no effort to say "Almost all", instead of just going "All".

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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you could've just asked 'what situation are you referring to here?' and I would've explained it to you about the 300 input > 300 provided

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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May I ask a stupid question?

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Gopher it

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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then all of this mess would've never happened

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Or you could've just not made a general statement.

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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What do you mean with "manifold"?

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Running one belt down a line of factories and splitting off one by one until the last factory has the last items on the belt

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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a manifold is when you use 1 input line to overflow a bunch of buildings until they ballance itself out and take what they need

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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You made a general statement, I disagreed and pointed out how it didn't work. You can't just go "Yes, but all of my internal exceptions that I didn't bother listing because it's too many."

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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That´s not good ^^

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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@snow timber

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snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Too many cvhanging dependencies.

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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The idea behind a manifold is is that you always need to make sure you have enough input. Otherwise it doesn't work, or works badly.

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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@sand garnet That´s how I do it, too

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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thats called a manifold

empty hemlock Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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it still works if you don't have enough input to run everything at 100% 🤷‍♂️

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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pretty sure 'not enough input' is a problem regardless of the method you use lmao

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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No, you can run a manifold short of items as long as you realize the output ratio will stand for later parts of your factory

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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the advantage of it is that it's easy to set up, easy to expand

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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But in that simple case it is a perfect split as well, isn´t it?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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anyone who doesnt use manifolds is a lunatic tbh

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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got better belts later on? just add a few more machines, splitters and mergers at the end of the line

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

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The difference, Nova, is that when you do run into the problem of not having enough, it can take hours upon hours of noticing it, whereas with a balanced split, you can notice it after the first minute.

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That's just a dumb statement, artem

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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when you scale your production to be large enough its hard to balance

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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@snow timber depends of who you're asking, plz don't relaunch this storm rn

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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If I run a belt that only has enough for 6.5 factories and I have 10 factories, I just have to calculate what the accurate output of that is.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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it takes a lot more planning and space for balancers once you have enough production to the point that not using a manifold at some point in your process would eat up too much time

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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People get obsessed with underclocking the last factory when it doesn't matter unless you have no extra power.

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Right, and I'm saying the one moment you do make a mistake; lord knows I'm the only fucking idiot who ever made a single mistake in this game and everyone else in this discord are flawless gods, it'll be stupid hard to figure out if you're on the presumption you mathed right (and are using a manifold).

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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the downside of a balancer is that it takes more time to set up, and generally isn't as easy to expand as a manifold is

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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sometimes its just not worth it to balance

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would anyone ever build a 7:37 balancer

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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When you have 32 smelters and 24 assemblers, not really.

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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that, and the time you'd take to make a complex load balancer would prolly be higher than the time lost to detect a mistake on a manifold

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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so in the grand scheme of things, manifolds are the more idiot-proof setups of the 2

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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And like I said, if you play Factorio, you've used manifolds forever, but just never called them that.

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A belt line of factories in either game is a manifold.

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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That's the exact argument I have against it, Tom. The moment you do mess it up, an idiot will maybe never notice they've made a mistake in the first place.

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When you balance things properly, you'll immediately see if a machine is getting too many, or not enough items.

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Empty factories from underfeeding would be easy to spot, overfeeding though would definitely be hard to spot.

sand garnet Jul 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Malibloo, Ive chosen not to engage with you anymore on this topic, as it's something that always escalates. I'll just address the others instead

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Classy

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Well, I guess it's my personal mission to constantly be on your ass whenever you make incorrect statements entirely based on internal presumptions then.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

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there's not a single place in my factory that would be more convenient personally by using a balancer all the way throughout

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:31 AM

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And @queen rivet . How will you notice factories are being underfed when the initial few minutes the back machines will not be full? Will you just stand there for 15 full minutes waiting for everything to fill up to make sure everything is balanced correctly?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:32 AM

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there's never really a moment you're just standing

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I'll probably be off doing something else, so yes, I'll come back and immediately notice that something is wrong

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:32 AM

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there's always new factory that can be built

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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Exactly. So you go away, do other stuff, and then hopefully remember to come back to it at some point to realize that you made a single mistake in your math and you have to rebuild at least half of it

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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if you've made a mistake you usually build more

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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It's not like my game is "ruined" because I'm at only 90% efficiency rather than 100%

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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Also I have sincere doubts on that "immediately".

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Ah, yes. The black and white argument. I'm done here.

queen rivet Jul 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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Or I'll get product bound somewhere, and definitely notice that everything has shut down.

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It's not that hard.

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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@celest vault What does your perfect split do when you add a new factory for computers?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I usually check the machines for productivity

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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That's definitely a good one, artem

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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and the status is yellow if the machine is backed up

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Do all other plastic consumers get adjusted automagically?

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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I'm not sure what you're asking, DoomYa

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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what really bothers me is that I'm feeding 300m^3 of crude oil into 10 refineries that each use 30m^3 oil, the pumps are generating proper headlift yet the refineries at the end never get fed properly

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I've run it for a while and you'd assume that it'd even out

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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I mean, with a balancer, you will have not enough in all consumers, or?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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but pipes are really giving me problems

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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he means that balancers are harder to expand

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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sometimes the pipes have 80m^3 right next to a machine and they dont feed it properly until the pipe connecting the machine is rebuilt

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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And? I plan every factory and future-proof them.

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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@mental geyser I have a tank between refinery and lift

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Either with balancing, or manifolding, or whatever else.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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o thats probably what I need

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:38 AM

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The lift of the refinery and the pump doesn´t seem to add when on the same pipeline.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:38 AM

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well no I dont think its an issue with headlift

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its more of the earlier refineries hogging the oil

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since I assume each splitter splits the oil in half

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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If all pipes are entirely filled, even the back ones should eventually fill up. It would still be that last 30 that gets pushed through a full pipe. So I'm afraid your issue lies elsewhere where your 300/m gets limited somehow.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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well the extractor is at 300 m^3

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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HAve you checked the extractor, and is is always working?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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and the pipe at the highest final altitude has 300 flow rate

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yeah

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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ah, I have 5 pipes above each other, where only some refineries share the same pipe and in the end the pipes are connected.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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maybe I just need to wait for a while for it to work properly

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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if you're 'manifolding' a bunch of ref, the oens further away from the input can take quite a long time to fill up so it might be htat

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I always saturate my pipes before powering my refineries.

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:41 AM

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because you first fill the ref close to the input

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:41 AM

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yeah its probably that I just expected it to fill up faster

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:41 AM

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so it might look like it doesn't work

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:41 AM

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yeah I have 4 maxed out pipes of oil of 300m^3

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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@mental geyser look at the indicator amount in each of the split, if the one closest is filled and it goes down the further away you go, that's probably it

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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yeah that's the issue I'm pretty sure

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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If everything is mathed right, the only times the pipes will fill up is when one or more refs aren't working.

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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And I pumped my crude oil 40 m high into tanks. So it should have good pressure,

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Which can be super slow.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:43 AM

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I'll also have to deal with excess fuel because I have to flush it atm

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:/

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:43 AM

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also @snow timber to go back to what you were saying, a pump doesn't exactly add to the extractors headlift, it set it to 20 above the pump so even if you build it at the very start of the pipe you won't get a 30 m headlift

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:43 AM

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could set it to make aluminum coke and feed it into the awesome gen

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lul

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

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my bad if that's not what you meant but just in case

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

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I have a pump left and right to the tank. It works

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

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@mental geyser what kind of line are you making?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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I have a really inefficient 40 refinery into rubber/plastic using the base recipes and then the residual gets turned into fuel

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makes 800 plastic / min

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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do you have the alts for the recycled loop?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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no

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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if you're patient enough to make the 'ultimate' oil line, it might be worth looking into it

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Recycled is good

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:46 AM

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900 plastic or rubber from a single 300/m oil pipe is godly.

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:46 AM

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can anyone link the 1:3 guide

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preferably a text one

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:46 AM

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I have Crude Oil to Rubber + HOR, then HOR to fuel and fuel and rubber => plastic

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all my base is blue...

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plastic everywhere.

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:47 AM

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don't have a text one, kibitz has a video, the wiki has a diagram of the layout for rubber and you can use calculators like greeny's and daniel's to map it

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:48 AM

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225 plastic to 675 rubber?

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:48 AM

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I wish there were more text guides

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:48 AM

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is there a way for me to copy my line from daniel's tool? that way I ca just link it

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@mental geyser the thing you have to be wary of is the fuel split because weird number when you don't know how to do it

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

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ah

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meh it'll take too much time

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I already have the plastic I need

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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use these parameters in a tool to see the line

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snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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You never have enough plasitc!

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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ok

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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🙂

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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it does take a lot of time

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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I just want my plastic thing to make 800/min consistently

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:51 AM

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here are both rubber and plastic loop, to give you an idea of the size

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mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 11:51 AM

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the manifold feeding and the excess fuel is killing me

snow timber Jul 23, 2020, 11:51 AM

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so that you need 2 belts?

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:51 AM

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well, the recycled loop has 0 waste

celest vault Jul 23, 2020, 11:52 AM

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So much empty space. O:

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 11:52 AM

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I can walk around easily and made sure I had some leeway for modifs

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plus it looks nice

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also it's at sea so I'm not lacking building space there

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:02 PM

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I've got 2 smelters at 30p/s going into a merger and then into a splitter which goes into 3 constructers at 20p/s

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Is that a good setup?

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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math is right

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I assume normal node mk1 miner?

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(or pure node but no mk2 belts)

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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mk2

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no overclocking

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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what kind of node?

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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oh

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Impure

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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then it's right

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Does this not update with nodes?

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eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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without ocing, you're exploiting it to the fullest atm

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Alright nice

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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mk2 on impure is 60

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Ok

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I've got 4 mk2 miners, and I'll probably do 50/50 iron plates and rods

mental geyser Jul 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

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impure nodes are so bad

eager solar Jul 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

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use a part of those to make more advanced parts

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like rotor and reinforced

timber sentinel Jul 23, 2020, 12:09 PM

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part of the iron ingots?