Yeah space is one reason why I brought up the dunes, it has basically infinite water and a ton of coal next to said water
#math-and-meta
barren elm
fresh geyser
im on noob greenland XD
velvet fractal
very south @muted crypt
muted crypt
so the grass fields
velvet fractal
on the "right pure coal"
barren elm
Yeah the green land suffers from the same problems as the dunes, oil and bauxite are not that close
muted crypt
@velvet fractal I know where you are, just a sec
Yeah the green land suffers from the same problems as the dunes, oil and bauxite are not that close
@barren elm nor is quartz lol
velvet fractal
I take the water from the lake above the valley with the big elite guy
fresh geyser
seriously the lake at the bottom i really want to go live there XD
boreal cypress
@barren elm can we get a SF Map in Direct Strike? xD
muted crypt
I recommend this @velvet fractal
go follow the arrow to that location
four normal nodes of iron by a much bigger lake
velvet fractal
you mean coal not iron?
fresh geyser
with sky highway to the middle
fresh geyser
yeah the one on the left dosent have a boss
velvet fractal
well, I'm nearly done with my first power plant there :)
Just need to figure out the water supply with 6 instead of 8
muted crypt
hang on
muted crypt
@velvet fractal pretend this isn't the single worst diagram you've ever seen in your life
blue = extractors
orange = pipes
green = pipe junctions
fresh geyser
you better then me at drawing XD
muted crypt
this will work to do what you want it to do, and each pipe will have 180 water/min in it - enough for four generators
fresh geyser
let me draw my setup 🙂
muted crypt
obviously rearrange and add pipeline pumps as needed
but this is essentially what you want
I'm your microsoft paint diagram guy
come to me if you need more shit drawings
velvet fractal
couldn't make it better
fresh geyser
yep its my coal reactor setup
muted crypt
which doesn't work as well with the 45/min requirement of the generators due to ratios
buuuuut it still works
you can support 6.67 generators per pipe
fresh geyser
yes
its not perfect buy i dont have enough reactor yet but i can play with underclock worse case scenario
underclock is underrated
brb
velvet fractal
now the other side and I'm done
tiny sentinel
so I just unlocked steel and i'm reworking the basics on my base. Hows this looks for Rotors and Reinforced plating? I I'm making 120 screws from each set of 3 constructors, so i siphon off 20 from each line and combine for the 60 needed for reinforced plates. that leaves me with 100 for each rotor assembly. I have 6 lines of 60 Iron/min coming into my factory so I plan to double this setup.
fresh geyser
what app you use to make that 😮
velvet fractal
@muted crypt diagrams, right? 😄
tiny sentinel
velvet fractal
so I just unlocked steel and i'm reworking the basics on my base. Hows this looks for Rotors and Reinforced plating? I I'm making 120 screws from each set of 3 constructors, so i siphon off 20 from each line and combine for the 60 needed for reinforced plates. that leaves me with 100 for each rotor assembly. I have 6 lines of 60 Iron/min coming into my factory so I plan to double this setup.
@tiny sentinel you haven't unlocked any alt recipes yet, right?
muted crypt
I didn't wanna take the time to use that for such a simple diagram, so I just used paint @velvet fractal
velvet fractal
it was perfectly fine 🙂
tiny sentinel
only like one, and it was for the medicine inhaler
velvet fractal
your answer ins such a diagram would have confused me more than it helped 😄
tiny sentinel
and it was worse than the default
velvet fractal
you can use https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ to check out the ratios
wind spade
if you want to keep diagrams, you can use my tool https://www.satisfactorytools.com/, it has an option to save the diagram (though it isn't as detailed as yours, it just lists e.g. "5 buildings making screws"
fresh geyser
a 1/8 ratio splitter was enough to fix my coke issue
velvet fractal
I wouldn't split coke by 1/8 - they will notice
boreal cypress
uff
fresh geyser
boreal cypress
fresh geyser
Im thinking about making a loop of package unpackage fuel for a fuel generator its will save me at less 2 machines
with the diluted fuel alt
hot ginkgo
Thats part of a common set up.
uneven jay
I just did out the math for how big a Pure Caterium ingot refinery plant needs to be.
Im going to go over here and cry in the corner...
fresh geyser
there is a alt with water no?
hot ginkgo
HOR>diluted fuel> turbo fuel.
Recycle the empty containers back to the start.
muted crypt
how much ore/min does one refinery use for pure caterium?
@fresh geyser that's the "pure" recipe set
fresh geyser
@hot ginkgo HOR?
hot ginkgo
Heavy oil residue.
muted crypt
7 iron ore + water -> 13 iron ingots
6 copper ore + water -> 15 copper ingots (I think)
2 caterium ore + water -> 1 caterium ingot
fresh geyser
oh ok
hot ginkgo
Turn that into diluted fuel for a large boost to the fuel.
fresh geyser
so i need to unlock turbo
boreal cypress
@uneven jay welcome to my world xD i need 2k Caterium ingots and 18k Copper ingots :P i had fun building the refineries for those numbers
hot ginkgo
You can also use diluted fuel n a plastic or rubber loop that outputs 900 of either from 300 oil.@fresh geyser
muted crypt
I need 31.75 refineries oh boy
hot ginkgo
I was doing the turbo fuel refineries last night and suddenly remembered I never re automated motors.
fresh geyser
i will need to start from the begining again because i unlock tier 4
by hand crafting computer 🤣
velvet fractal
did the same 😄
fresh geyser
i post a screenshot XD
velvet fractal
I think it's not possible to build them with a machine because it has 4 parts, right?
fresh geyser
yep
uneven jay
Yeah......... this is the first time I have gotten to the point where I actually NEED a crap ton of a rare resource.
fresh geyser
i was just spaming the item inside it
im grabing a jetpack and im going to visit the spot i found on the map with all the ore
just need 23 computer to unlock
fresh geyser
time to calculate how many fuel geenrator i can fuel with my actuel setup
hot ginkgo
@fresh geyser I don't know if you're interest in the math. But I have explanations of multiple different set ups off 300 oil.
fresh geyser
i love math 🙂
im producing 60 oil a min right now i just need to figure some number 😄
hot ginkgo
Best crank that up!
hot ginkgo
Are you just doing straight to fuel?
hot ginkgo
I did that at first as well. Then used the resin to pack excess fuel for personal use.
fresh geyser
yeah its the output of my plastic and rubber farm i already use most of the residu fueling my coal generator
if i switch to only fuel its can be something (need more math)
hot ginkgo
The set up I'm currently working on uses 70ish refineries. Maybe a little more with my underclocking.
fresh geyser
i think underclocking is the key of my current calculation 🙂
hot ginkgo
Easy to make whatever ratios you want!
Every machine in my diluted fuel set up is at 84%
fresh geyser
i will reduce of half the diluted fuel and see if its value the cost to put that in reactor directly transforme
ho ok
or the reverse i emplify my diluted output
why you choose 84%
the problem with the diluted is the exponancial stuck to it
stray moon
whats better. the bolted frames recipe or the defualt modular frames one.
warm wren
I think the best efficient is regulars with sitched plates, but I'm not sure, the meta may have changed since I checked
stray moon
@hot ginkgo should know
boreal cypress
whats better. the bolted frames recipe or the defualt modular frames one.
@stray moon the one which dont use screws xD
stray moon
so defualt XD
fresh geyser
i will take a look
i would say the default because of the double speed but with screw to the mix i dont think its good enough
stray moon
i feel like the screw recipe is for people who have the casted screw recipe
fresh geyser
bolted plate i find a use to it
because reinforced is slow
and its 3 time faster not 2
hot ginkgo
I use stitched in my iron works because screws in mass still suck.
fresh geyser
yeah but having the choose i would take stiched
can we have all the recipe or its only finite
hot ginkgo
All of them.
fresh geyser
dear god i was scare
hot ginkgo
There are more drives then alts.
hot ginkgo
That with iron wire is great.
hot ginkgo
Maybe if you're already doing steel in the area. With the solid steel recipe, steel becomes very easy to make.
So it may be worth it if the situation is right.
hot ginkgo
So you use less ingots for the rods, and you get a fuckton more per ingot. Combine that with solid steel. And it's a strong contender for heavy use in a steel focused plant.
fresh geyser
yep
i would love that
steel seem more intuitive to me
i found a pure caterium node next to my base 😄
fresh geyser
yep i need a lot of them for fuel generator
hot ginkgo
My current power grid runs off like 21 max OCed fuel gens because I didn't have enough computers. Now I have a full indy bin of them.
I cant wait to remove all that and get all those shards back.
fresh geyser
what the difference between oc and just double the amount it is because of the materiel needed?
low cliff
i only have 2 impure coal nodes. how many coal generators can i use? im using mark 2 on them.
muted crypt
power production in generators and power consumption in producers is not linear
Check the wiki
fresh geyser
mark 2 will save the day i think
low cliff
with mark 2 im getting 60/min on both
hot ginkgo
@fresh geyser never OC gens or production. Only miners.
hot ginkgo
I did it for resource limitations at the time.
hot ginkgo
Depends in node purity.
fresh geyser
he said bad one
hot ginkgo
Apparently I need to go read.
fresh geyser
my calculation gave me 20 coal generator @low cliff Full overclocked miner
fresh geyser
yep
low cliff
thanks
boreal cypress
uff ... headturner
fresh geyser
sorry
my cellphone is too bad to turn picture
one sec i will try to flip it
ty paint 😛
low cliff
very cool thanks
boreal cypress
two unpure mk2 coal nodes? its 120 with 100%... with 250% its 300
300/15 coal use is 20 coal gens ^^
fresh geyser
🙂
boreal cypress
20 x 45 water= 900 water
900/120 is 7,5 water extractor
beautiful handwriting btw xD
muted crypt
it's hard to write with a mouse to be fair
fresh geyser
its was on paper XD
ahhahaha
i write as bad as my doctor
Im better with number normally
boreal cypress
jeah my numbers are better than letters too xD
velvet fractal
@muted crypt check out #screenshots - plant is done!
boreal cypress
@velvet fractal uhm you know that pipes dont have a balance system? xD
velvet fractal
you don't see my face now but it says no
meaning?
ah, I could connect all 4 gens to one line instead of first spilt in 2 and then in 4?
muted crypt
pipes naturally work as if they were a manifold
fresh geyser
i mean if you put 2 pump on 1 extractor its suposed to work
fresh geyser
i use that with my 5 water extractor
exactly from what i know its suposed to be one way
velvet fractal
yes
boreal cypress
its one way and headlift supporter
velvet fractal
the headlift is 0m in this case
velvet fractal
was it this what you meant with balance system @boreal cypress ?
boreal cypress
was it this what you meant with balance system @boreal cypress ?
@velvet fractal yes ^^ pipes are always overflow/manifold, no need to split
btw you didnt have to balance belt either :P
velvet fractal
but the backflow I didn't think about
boreal cypress
jeah ^^ it looks nice but there are some situations where you cant or shouldnt balance anymore
fresh geyser
wait
boreal cypress
like this... 10x35 refineries... balancing them would be a huge mess
fresh geyser
the setup i made with 2 pump was to keep 2 range of tube with maximum pressure
velvet fractal
holy crap!
fresh geyser
hmm
fresh geyser
why there is no tube on the front?
velvet fractal
I guess it's WIP 🙂
fresh geyser
but you are right the maximum is 300
velvet fractal
on the lower level there's one pipe for around 15 refineries
@boreal cypress explain! 😄
fresh geyser
he is using turbofuel i think so because its burn less its will overflow
its burn 18.75/m
boreal cypress
@velvet fractal i use a mod which quarter water through refineries ^^ so 1200 water turn into 600 water which turn into 300 water ^^ so i can use more water through one pipe :D
velvet fractal
well - that explains everything
lucid needle
trying to make a load balancer for a 2-way input of 960/mn and scratching my head, first time making one here
fresh geyser
what mk are you at @lucid needle
fresh geyser
what machine you want to fill
lucid needle
i'm trying to get 45/mn outputs
which in now how to do in theory, but struggle how to do the final split from 60 to 45
i know i should have something that splits it then returns half of it somewhere else kinda
fresh geyser
you have 60 and want 45?
lucid needle
yup
fresh geyser
from what i see its would be a 1:4 ratio
lucid needle
honestly i know how to do it in theory but i'm struggling so much getting the right way to not make it 20 fondation square wide or something like that xD
fresh geyser
you need a splitting contraption who would output 15 mn the other will output 45
so if im not mistaken its would be this one
lucid needle
awesome
i'll need more space to try this out before figuring out how to compact it xD
fresh geyser
with 15mn increment its gave me 15/30/45/60 so i think its your best bet
boreal cypress
manifold is compact :D
fresh geyser
ahahahahahaha
lucid needle
i'm wanting to try every type of build so next on the list is a big big load balancer
i've already done other ways
and tbh i really like perfectly simetrical factories
so the load balancer just makes me want to put that everywhere when i look at them on youtube
boreal cypress
@lucid needle than have fun with this: https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/732373785218515015
fresh geyser
he cheat with mod half the fluid compacting
lucid needle
so for now i've got one section done, 2x45 i think i'm correct, pretty compact
boreal cypress
why'd you need so many of those ? xD
@lucid needle i need 7800 copper sheets for 120 Turbo Motors
boreal cypress
@fresh geyser i quarter them :D and its not cheat, just pipe saving ^^ still need the same ammount of water
runic kiln
damn I need to get better at compactness
fresh geyser
i will do the same as you but not mod 😛
runic kiln
mine is everywhere lol
boreal cypress
i dont wanted to have 30 pipes :D now i have only 10
fresh geyser
spaguetti monster
lucid needle
juuuuust a few more to go
idk how i'll make it so much more compact but oh well, i can do as usual and rebuild it 51564 times
boreal cypress
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/730735264485343253/Screenshot20200709-12344000000.png didnt wanted to do something like this again ... and those are 144 pipes for 144 Nuclear Power Plants
fresh geyser
noise
boreal cypress
wdym?
lucid needle
like, ressourse costs
boreal cypress
i dont cheat ressources xD
fresh geyser
he want to know if you build all of that in game
lucid needle
how would you even feed all of them ? there's like 3 uranium patches :c
boreal cypress
every pipe and belt was builded by hand
fresh geyser
thats what i thonk
boreal cypress
how would you even feed all of them ? there's like 3 uranium patches :c
@lucid needle i did wrong math :D you can have with all 3 nodes over 1TW of power. i only have 360 GW
terse hollow
not finished but about to be a 48:200 turbo fuel generator
fresh geyser
the only way to move in most of my base is by sliding XD
lucid needle
oh i know that mate
boreal cypress
i dont read message.txt
lucid needle
i'm rebuilding stuff all around the map just bc of my old base lemme show you
terse hollow
lucid needle
this is my latest power plat, oil based, at 30% of its max size i could build it with the patches i'm currently extracting, pretty super neat and very beautiful to look at, super simetrical, took me the afternoon
and uh, THIS was the mess i was talking about xD
fresh geyser
i need a jetpack for better picture 😛
lucid needle
not jetpack here
boreal cypress
i need a jetpack for better picutre 😛
@fresh geyser use lookout or radar tower
lucid needle
just... lots of cargo
and the mess i showed higher, pic taken on the cool side, where you can't see much of the concrete mess
anyways, i think i got the load balancer thingy right, i just need to fit it
18 outputs of 30/mn, i want 45/mn outputs only
so 12 outputs total i think
fresh geyser
wait you need another ratio?
lucid needle
nop i only need all 1:2 and the 75%
fresh geyser
gotcha
fresh geyser
i said almost XD
lucid needle
also, that was my iron factory before i unlocked smart splitters lol i didn't even know they were a thing
lucid needle
coolio elevator, starts with bottom
fresh geyser
so you store different material all at the same place
lucid needle
nope
fresh geyser
like a bus?
lucid needle
that was just to have a whole lot of rubber and plastic before running the oil on fuel only
fresh geyser
i was thinking about making a bus setup
lucid needle
i do buffer storage
fresh geyser
yeah me too
lucid needle
also that was my first clean factory from the outside, for iron parts only, small manual output, auto overflow sinking, buffer and external outputs for main base, 100% efficiency from bottom to top for plates, rods and screws
fresh geyser
i use that when the storage of frame is full
lucid needle
3 mk2 miners, 12 smelters, and a whole lot of constructors
for the copper one i used 25 constructors and same smelters / miners
currently sitting at 1.2GW consumption and 2.7GW max output
fresh geyser
i will check how much i sit
lucid needle
this is the coal plant i had done a lot earlier, before making the small temporary but very neat fuel plant
fresh geyser
531MW at low range 812MW at maximum range and maximum capacity
quiet cove
how many extractors on all of those? ;O
lucid needle
lots
quiet cove
damn
boreal cypress
3 water extractor can feed 8 coal gens
quiet cove
thats overclocked?
fresh geyser
^
boreal cypress
nope nothing oc
fresh geyser
base i think its 2.5:5
lucid needle
120m3/mn to -> 45m3/mn coal gen = ~-3coal gens per extractor at full capacity
if you run the gens at 20% you can have many more
i run 16 gens at 6 extractors just in case
quiet cove
good to know, thanks ;D
lucid needle
6x120m3/mn = 720m3/mn DIV 45m3/mn = 16 coal gens
so i can run them at full load
just waiting for the day to show you the load balancer
i finished it
boreal cypress
show us
lucid needle
Tadaaaa
all 45/mn outputs, from 960/mn input
as compacted as i could've thought it around
@fresh geyser
fresh geyser
i see it 😛
lucid needle
oh mb :x
fresh geyser
i was zooming
lucid needle
basically i split down to 60 then split again and merge 1 line to 2
fresh geyser
i never thinked about using lift with splitter
lucid needle
i made that to make things more compact
fresh geyser
hwo do you see your building on the map its a unlock?
lucid needle
now just gotta adapt the conveyors
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
and get the save from
C:\Users\USER\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\76561198243484356
granite locust
That's south of my base location, your oil pumps in the top left are where I have mine
lucid needle
ah, much more organized than i thought it would be considering what you said xd
fresh geyser
oil island
lucid needle
now for thje most fun, the 12 constructors to place and route all the conveyors
fresh geyser
🙂
lucid needle
soooo simetrical
lucid needle
you'll enjoy it.
hot ginkgo
That overflow function changed the way I played the game.
Especially my storage arrays.
lucid needle
the overflow splitter..... saved me a TON of space
i mean
this is what i had to do xD
fresh geyser
i did some 1:8 ratio splitter to sink as backup
hot ginkgo
Hell to the no. We're now in the 21st century. All hail the overflow!
fresh geyser
i was not able to do it XD
hot ginkgo
fresh geyser
the coal coke line coudent support a sink at the end
lucid needle
damn that's a good big ol main bus storage
hot ginkgo
Once I unlocked programmable splitters, i totsly changed my storage. Room in there for everything I might need to store in mass. And a few extras in each section just in case.
lucid needle
QUICKWIRE
boreal cypress
rookie numbers
hot ginkgo
Fucking quickwire.
fresh geyser
nothing is automated XD
boreal cypress
i will produce the ammount x2 soon :D
fresh geyser
ahhhh
fresh geyser
its mean i need to build a news level just for that
boreal cypress
i will produce over 24k/min soon xD
lucid needle
uickwire 59,700 units
Screw 51,291 units
Wire 34,838 units
Raw Quartz 24,661 units
Steel Pipe 22,373 units
Concrete 19,625 units
Steel Beam 17,720 units
Plastic 17,147 units
Rubber 13,536 units
Copper Sheet 12,886 units
Iron Plate 11,508 units
hot ginkgo
Did you pull that off the map site?
fresh geyser
im 67h into the game
Wire 19,809 units
Screw 12,000 units
Packaged Fuel 9,600 units
Petroleum Coke 9,600 units
my top 4
lucid needle
tbh i'm slowly and finally starting to do storage, i have screws and quickwire bc they are mass produced and stored away for the prep i did for trains
fresh geyser
i need to setup my basic resource better then that
hot ginkgo
Central storage is a must.
lucid needle
i have made 3 nodes mk2 for copper and iron
fresh geyser
yeah i agree i love the concept
hot ginkgo
Then all the overflow can make you tickets!
lucid needle
like big 100% efficieny cool looking factories
second atempt to doing something that isn't pure chaos
lucid needle
on the far right a slight opening for 3 buffer storage
yea, making a big ass concrete farm rn to build stuff
fresh geyser
yeah my main base dosent sink yet
lucid needle
that also helps you not trigger the global grid fuse
fresh geyser
i will probably destroy it like after some calculation and setup wirth smart thingy
you mean when i dont CPR the crap out of it during 20 min
lucid needle
just put overflows everywhere that leads to the sink xD
hot ginkgo
My main factories are just large boxes with conveyor lifts for decoration.
It's amazing what windows add to a factory.
hot ginkgo
I usualy build the insides as compact as possible because in weird and like to torture my self. So I never leave room for decorations.
lucid needle
i make it all super frigging compact but also decorate
and make things ultra simetrical
hot ginkgo
Simetrical for bust. I do that as much as possible.
fresh geyser
i will tear down my main base again i will see what will happen of it after 100 of calculation XD
hot ginkgo
I could never do the main base. I always do seperate factories for a group if itemsm
Do as much local stuff as possible.
fresh geyser
its what i did with oil but i want a main building where all the item will go after first step of producing
mix item together at main base i think its can be cool
lucid needle
just gotta make storage and convey the outputs there
and a few fixes for conveyor speeds to make it all look super frigging clean
fresh geyser
i have a idea
as i soon as i unlock the jetpack and build it i will visit the east i think i found a nice spot to a multi base style town area
wow!!!!!
i can choose what item go where!!!!
lucid needle
my absolutely perfectly simetrical, balanced and 100% efficiency factory is ready
and i'm too tired to link it up to storage so it'll do
fresh geyser
damn
lucid needle
fresh geyser
computer crafter in waiting new building
lucid needle
what mk convoyers do you have ?
lucid needle
the smart splitters are good, but i don't recommand using it for this cuz it just makes a whole mess and if a single material blocks itself the others won't go through.
fresh geyser
lucid needle
been running the factory for 10 mins, half a big cargo full
fresh geyser
fixed
lucid needle
marsh swan
Noob question here: If I input 45 items into a splitter, which outputs onto two belts. Does it split into 23 items and 22 items, respectively?
fresh geyser
its round robin after that its space priority
marsh swan
Oh, I see. Thanks!
hot ginkgo
@fresh geyser you're best way to try what you where doing is a manifold arrangement of the smarts, with a sink at the end.
As long as you're supplying the correct amounts, everything will be perfect.
fresh geyser
im experimenting more then anything i think
hot ginkgo
Always fun to do.
hot ginkgo
Youd still need a sink and overflow.
lucid needle
if you have smart splitters set for multiple precise outputs sorting, make sur you have an ALL output that goes to other ones for more precise outputs and a loop so it doesn't get stuck
fresh geyser
gotcha
lucid needle
the all outputs needs to be all if you have other smart splitters ahead, or overflow if you only use one
hot ginkgo
The overflow setting is still acceptable in this case. It would just function like a regular manifold, filling the first machine and sending the rest down the line.
lucid needle
yeah, basically the overflow is a all and an output that accepts whitelist bypass if it blocks
fresh geyser
its will be usefull
hot ginkgo
Yup. Either method works. Yours would actually function closer to how a standard splitter manifold functions.
lucid needle
also for those who do like me, for the load thingy, remember miner outputs once full, will rather match conveyor speeds than max output, and constructors slightly less input than said, so you need overflows both at input and final output for best results to keep the constructors and miners always running
peaked at 1.5GW consumption for the first time now
load balancer really showing with everything working like at charm at 100% and my miners mining 480/min, 200% clockspeed, always between 69 and 70 items stored x) perfect
0.05s per item generated xD
i have put 125% on half of the constructors to balance the input better since it's not perfectly as told on the menus
210 concrete per minute out of two mk2 miners
proven flame
does anyone know if there is a spreadsheet with all the ingredient inputs and outputs?
fresh geyser
i died because 2 boss glitch me in a wall and i was not able to draw a weapon
now i need to request my stuff back
fresh geyser
can you help me to choose a good one 🙂
i think the rotor is the best bet
im going with rubber cable i guess 🙂
polar sleet
rubber cable is the only one i know is junk from that
since it uses up oil which has high demand for various recipes
celest holly
i wouldve went with coppor rotors
but thats just because MY factory has way too much copper
wind spade
@boreal wagon don't spread hoaxes
safe hawk
Cool and all but i don't think you can get someone's IP with friend requests
You can read it if youre on the same server tho
wind spade
Having someone's IP won't help you anyway.
safe hawk
I mean it won't help me but it will help the guy that has nothing better to do then DDoS a random guy
wind spade
You can't get your computer's IP usually
You'll get your router's IP most of the time
wind spade
Which is usually filtered at router/ISP's level
safe hawk
Usually
wind spade
But I don't think you can see any IP in discord, no matter if you're friends or not
safe hawk
You'd be surprised by the amount of work someone with nothing better to do in thier life is willing to put in just to fuck somone over for a few minutes
You can use discord to get IPs
Not normally but you can
royal minnow
How do you guys feel about encased beams vs encased pipes? Currently building a large steel production facility and trying to figure out what my beam:pipe ratio should be
zinc geyser
pipe ratio is way better
boreal cypress
How do you guys feel about encased beams vs encased pipes? Currently building a large steel production facility and trying to figure out what my beam:pipe ratio should be
@royal minnow pipes are better
zinc geyser
3 -> 2 vs 4 -> 1 for beam
royal minnow
@boreal cypress Do you think it's worth the marginally slower production speed?
boreal cypress
pipes are always better for the ratios :) same steel but more pipes
and you get 20 pipes per minute and not 15 beams per minute ^^
royal minnow
word, I won't need a ridiculous amount of beams in that case since they'll only be used for building and steel screws
boreal cypress
you can get alternate which let you get rid of screws completly
glacial hemlock
in the end game, produce 20 steel beam/min and spend the remaining steel for pipes. Let's say, 9999/min
royal minnow
yeah, actually looks like i have enough alternates to remove screws from my production chain completely!
that rules!
I'm finding that the pure iron -> solid steel production chain seriously increased the amount of material available to work with
boreal cypress
thats the chain to get max steel ot ouf one iron ore ^^
royal minnow
So, i actually won't need a large supply of iron rods anymore either since they're only used for construction, standard rotor recipe, screws, and beacons?
cyan skiff
Hi is it better to go steel beam -> Screws or steel rod -> screw?
boreal cypress
get alternates which get rid of screws completly @cyan skiff
cosmic knot
screw you @boreal cypress
cyan skiff
what do you mean?
cosmic knot
pump a ton of concrete into the awesome sink
you're not gonna use all of it anyway
then use the tickets to buy screws
boreal cypress
there are alternate recipe for almost every item @cyan skiff
just explore, get HDDs from Crash sites
stark bronze
Is it smart at all to turn oil directly into plastic?
Also whats the technical difference between polymer resin and HOR recipe
stray willow
Depends what you want to do with the residue, HOR can be made into fuel to produce power, resin can be made into more plastic/rubber
wind spade
@stark bronze depends. Usually best way is to turn all oil into fuel using the diluted packaged fuel recipe and then if you need plastic or rubber, use the recycling loop to get plastic/rubber
abstract copper
Thoughts on a no-dissassembler challenge?
glacial hemlock
Do you mean no-dismantle?
abstract copper
Yeah sorry
glacial hemlock
That is possible, but very unlikely to success
stray willow
Plan it out properly and you’ll be fine
glacial hemlock
With this handicap, what will be the target goal?
wind spade
I mean, it's pretty easy
stray willow
Turbo motor production at all seems like a reasonable challenge
abstract copper
Get nuclear power hooked up I guess
wind spade
(as long as it's allowed to dissasemble if you missclick)
glacial hemlock
Splitter placement,pipe junctions, etc have never been easy
abstract copper
Nah no misclick dismantling
stray willow
I mean why not make you live with a mistake? It makes it even more painful
abstract copper
That's really the crux of the challenge
stray willow
But also interesting stuff like you can’t replace mk1 miner with mk2
glacial hemlock
Build a megabase - misclick a critical belt - Rip
wind spade
still pretty easy challenge
since you can always just put overflow splitter on a belt to disconnect existing factory and start over
abstract copper
That's a lot of starting over
stray willow
I would do a very decentralized base for that to minimize what you have to abandon if you screw up, seems like that wouldn’t be too bad
wind spade
decentralized bases are good anyway
so that's what you should be doing even in normal playtrhoughts.
also
That's a lot of starting over
@abstract copper not really. Just from starting base to first modular base, only once needed
stray willow
I find it painful to decentralize before trains, long belts and stuff is messy and laggy and not fast enough
Not to mention moving oil around
wind spade
huh, then I guess you think about something else when talking about decentralized
stray willow
I’m thinking outposts, do you have a diff concept?
wind spade
I mean building a factory that has single product going to storage, placed somewhere close to nodes it needs
wind spade
(or multiple products, if needed, but still they should be separated physically)
stray willow
The one issue with those bases is running around to get stuff, I build way too many hyper tubes in those bases
wind spade
that's why you transport the mats to central storage
abstract copper
Hmn... Maybe combine it with a "everything must be inside an enclosed building" challenge?
Less room for mistakes somehow?
stray willow
I do that anyway, open machines look bad
wind spade
+no handcrafting
abstract copper
But could just make the building huge then...
stray willow
Is no handcrafting even possible?
wind spade
technically yes
abstract copper
Except for portable miners
wind spade
since you can collect stuff from around drop pods
stray willow
Oh, that would be super tedious to start
wind spade
but my definition of no handcrafting would be
"don't handcraft anything that is possible to automate at the current point in game"
so if you e.g. need X to make a building that produces X, you can, but only for one building
but iirc they removed a lot of this in U3
haven't played for a year or so
oh, it's still true for assembler
barren elm
Can't imagine playing without blade runners and just the default mace
wind spade
I guess equippment falls under the "you can handcraft it because it can't be automated" category
barren elm
Oh yeah portable miners too, forgot about those
You start with 3 if you skip the tutorial but afaik there's none in the world
wind spade
yeah there are none
or maybe just make the rule "don't use crafting bench, unless the material is required for automation of said material"
that allows you to use equippment workshop freely
barren elm
Had the thought for a while of only using mk1 miners as a gameplay challenge, forcing you to go wide instead of tall, haven't given it a go though
tiny sentinel
How do you get the blade runners? I’m moving into steel production and don’t have them unlocked.
primal jungle
Caterium research in the mam
strong bison
anyone knows the best place for iron?
hot ginkgo
No one place will get you all the iron you will need.
strong bison
:(((((((((((((((((((((((
hot ginkgo
But northern forest has a spot with 4 pure nods really close.
primal jungle
This wouldn't be the best place to ask that question though would it?
strong bison
@hot ginkgo ok thanks
dim raft
Hi
I share with you a technique that I have just developed and which proves that trucks are definitely the best way to carry items accross the map
This technique is developed from three observations: the trucks follow the blue arrows, we can delete these arrows and the trucks teleport from arrow to arrow when we are far from them.
From there, it's simple, just make the path with a truck, remove all the arrows that are not in front of a loading / unloading station and move away from the truck; and then the magic works: we can literally teleport stuff across the whole map for a ridiculous cost and with a crazy speed.
Sorry for my bad english
I would precise that I didn't test if it use fuel
muted crypt
it does use fuel, and this is a well known test (at least I think it is...)
This is... quite interesting, I will say that
primal jungle
So would trains just be obsolete at that point
muted crypt
I mean keep in mind
Without dismantling the vehicle you do have to set up the path still, then go and set up each node individually..
zinc ledge
Hi! I have 300 coal per minute. How can i separate it to two different conveyor belts? First one needs 240, the second one 60.
eager solar
use a splitter and make it so the 60 line has a mk1 belt
boreal cypress
^
sand garnet
or just manifold and let it sort itself out over time
eager solar
since it's max 60 items/min
zinc ledge
Thanks!
dim raft
Yeh, it's quite long to create all the path but after that, it would be very very very efficient
eager solar
yeah, manifold is usually the easy way out, but the split might be better if you need it to go to two separated locations for whatever reason
wind spade
even two separated locations work the same way as manifold
fresh geyser
I full my 10 coal generator + my steel production with a mk2 miner with the small truck
On 1 pure node
what would you take i have a rubber production who produce petroleum coke i guess the 2 on the right are good egaly?
3 by minutes tho is really bad
i will take the steel one its would do a funny combo
boreal cypress
you should ask in #old-questions-and-help next time xD
boreal cypress
btw all 3 are bad :D
fresh geyser
XD
scenic pendant
3 is very good for mid-game before you get to have enough power for production with more efficient recipe
dim raft
The third
boreal cypress
solid steel is just better ^^
fresh geyser
probably
boreal cypress
most steel out of one iron ore ^^
fresh geyser
i dident unlock it yet so i donno XD
boreal cypress
thats why i tell it to you :P
fresh geyser
?
stray moon
which recipe is best
narrow mango
i'm not sure since i'm still a fairly new player, but don't worry about it too much since you can unlock all the alternate recipes eventually
muted crypt
@stray moon 2
narrow mango
there's enough hard drives on the map for everything
muted crypt
Stitched Iron Plate, combined with Iron Wire, is the least amount of iron needed per reinforced plate out of any combination
fresh geyser
noice
river night
stitched plates are pretty good while you still need loads of RIPs
river night
frankly you never stop needing plenty RIPs since they also go in frames
muted crypt
you might not need all of it
boreal cypress
you will not need all
stray moon
which one do i get?
fresh geyser
iron wire
boreal cypress
2
fresh geyser
here we go i just fix all my old water pipe and raise my power passe the 1000MW
boreal cypress
first GW :) gz
barren elm
Is iron wire even meta anymore?
river night
i would get casted screws first, it greatly simplifies the production lines with a step less
boreal cypress
nah its not op anymore
barren elm
Yeah casted screws seems like the pick there
wind spade
it's not OP, but iirc stitched plates are still decent
boreal cypress
jeah because you dont need copper ^^
fresh geyser
bolted plate have carry me all the early game
river night
yeah stitched plates + iron wire is almost ~50% better then the alternative, but still, casted screws are neat for simplicity 🙂
wind spade
my tools pick this as most resource efficient reinforced iron plates (if you don't use oil)
fresh geyser
lets switch all the copper material in iron and the iron material in copper XD
boreal cypress
So I guess #3
@barren elm nah Steel rotor is better
barren elm
Yeah I threw turbomotors into your tool and it picked copper rotor just to confirm what I thought
boreal cypress
@wind spade and fused wire isnt ressource efficient?
barren elm
I don't see how steel rotor could ever be better than copper rotor
wind spade
for rotor:
barren elm
If resources had a value, copper and iron would be worth 0
boreal cypress
oh then i misthought something
fresh geyser
copper = -1
river night
if you turn on all the recipes, then RIPs get a hell of a complex production chain with oil in it
but who wants that
wind spade
@boreal cypress @barren elm I'm using values (weights) for the resources relative to their appearance in the world. So if a resource is 3 times rarer, it has 3 times bigger value. So if for example copper is 3 times rarer than iron, using 2.8 iron is still better than using 1 copper.
barren elm
Yeah that reminds me I was using it earlier to plan something and noticed the extreme preference it has for "pure iron" and "pure copper", does it totally ignore power usage? I guess it was designed with nuclear in mind
boreal cypress
okay thats a point ^^
wind spade
see above ^ 🙂
fresh geyser
pure node take more power from what i readed
wind spade
@fresh geyser nope, miners nodes use the same power, no matter the purity
but they are also talking about "pure ingot" recipes, not nodes
boreal cypress
okay, for 100 pure iron ingots you use 45 MW in total
100 iron ingots 16 MW
45/16=2,8125
Copper
pure: 79
normal: 16
= 4,9375
Caterium
pure: 284
normal: 41
=6,9268
@barren elm
wind spade
@river night you can just disable the oil recipes or disable oil usage entirely. But technically the oil way is most resource efficient considering the weights as stated above. But I get that you don't want to use oil for some plates 😄
fresh geyser
guess im wrong XD
river night
Oh yeah I know, I typically always set it to the resources I actually want to use there
wind spade
I was surprised initially with this as well, when I was developing the tools
but then I calculated the weights and the tool was right 😄
tbh the iron savings are masive for pretty small oil cost
boreal cypress
wouldnt it be better to have values for time (items per minute) and power usage? or would it be to complicated
wind spade
yeah, but you also use super small amounts of oil 🙂 so for the tool it makes sense
and the user can always disable what he doesn't want 🙂
river night
small amounts dont transport easier then big amounts 😄
wind spade
@boreal cypress time is irrelevant, as you can just build more/less machines to increase/decrease production
power is something the tool doesn't do yet, but will do in the future
river night
but yeah, I learned to use the input tab right away to tune it to the resources I actually have on hand, then its decisions match what I want 🙂
wind spade
there will be option to change optimization from lowest raw resources to lowest power usage
as well as limit max power available for a given production tab
@river night yeah, the tool is always right, you just need to learn how to express your preferences 😛
boreal cypress
thats why i deactivated iron and normal wire :D
wind spade
it's the same as saying "why this code doesn't work?". The code always works exactly as it was written. You just didn't write it correctly 😄
I agree that sometimes the tool does some weird decisions but I think it's fine, since you can easily tune it as you need and it's better to return 100% mathematically correct results rather than trying to be smart and estimate what the user wants or not
river night
yeah its fine, its just weird when you run into it the first time
boreal cypress
nerver trust blind, always double check ^^
river night
everytime plastic or rubber is involved it builds that full heavy residue loop and it just makes recipes explode
can be overwhelming 🙂
boreal cypress
everytime plastic or rubber is involved it builds that full heavy residue loop and it just makes recipes explode
@river night but its the most efficient way :D
wind spade
it also usually happens when user clicks "all" on alternate recipes, so unless the user has all of them, he's "lying" to the tool 😄
yeah, the oil stuff I actually agree with, as opposed to oil iron plates xD
diluted packaged fuel + recycling loops is the best way for making rubber/plastic/fuel
river night
if you wanted to stop people from hitting "all" all the time, maybe it could copy selected recipes from an existing tab to a new one, in some fashion? 😄
although knowing from which might be a concern
wind spade
you can "clone" the tab
boreal cypress
you can clone
river night
oh, never knew that
boreal cypress
shame
wind spade
it's one of the rainbow buttons there
but in the future there will be option to set "default" settings for any new tab
boreal cypress
"rainbow"
wind spade
(that isn't cloned)
river night
sounds good
by now I have enough recipes to warrant pressing all, so its not like it makes me factories i cant build .. i may just not always want to
wind spade
for now you can just make one empty tab with your recipes and clone from it instead of making new one everytime
(you can also set some cool icon and name to it)
river night
i'll often setup resources i want to spend anyway and then use Max
wind spade
for max, there's slight issue currently
it indeed makes the correct result
but it doesn't optimize the result for raw resources
so I'd recommend just copying the max numbers and using those instead
so e.g. if you want to make rotors from some resources and the tool gives you "40.35 rotors", you just use that in "items/min" and it optimizes it correctly
(though the 40.35 amount is maxed, you won't get more, that's correct 😄 )
boreal cypress
@wind spade very hard to see that you have to loop xD
wind spade
😦 I don't have control over this
boreal cypress
shame xD
wind spade
this is all done by the library that makes the visualization
boreal cypress
i just wondered why it stand there xD
wind spade
I may put there something like Loop: Sulfuric Acid instead
so it's a bit more clear
or idk. Will add this to TODO list and see if I can come up with something cool
river night
the back and forth in one of those diluted fuel -> recycled rubber/plastic factories is also not the clearest, because it seems like one arrow with two ends, thats basically for two resources, not sure if you can make the arrows take a slight curve in such a case so that they arent on top of each other, but once you have seen it once you understand it..
boreal cypress
and also something strange ... when you make the 1:3 oil chain your tool will always do the residual rubber ^^ so no residual plastic
wind spade
well... it's an arrow with two ends xD
stark bronze
Polymer Resin looks like a much better alt than HOR? It makes a heck ton of PR that can be turned into plastic
Or then it wont make enough HOR for fuel
boreal cypress
HOR alt is better than Resin alt
because you use the fuel to get recycled plastic/rubber
1:3 with HOR alt
1:2 with resin
river night
for 300 plastic you need 100 oil with the full HOR chain. With the resin chain, you need 287 oil. Even without making HOR directly, you can only use 150 oil by making rubber and recycling that with the waste HOR
in short, the oil -> resin recipe is pretty bad
stray moon
what do i get?
stark bronze
Not the middle thats for sure
boreal cypress
@stray moon how far into game are you?
stray moon
just got coal power unlocked XD
boreal cypress
then 1
wind spade
there's better alt recipe for reinforced plates
stray moon
even interms of output rate?
wind spade
so while bolted are kinda nice, it becomes useless when you get stitched plates
output rate is not a good measure of how recipe is good, since you can easily build more buildings to get more rate
river night
bolted are the best for power/space, but those are not metrics one usually optimizes for
wind spade
^
boreal cypress
@stray moon the bolted ironplate is more expensive than original recipe x3
wind spade
maybe early game you optimize for power, but it becomes obsolete pretty early
boreal cypress
its just less power but more items
wind spade
@stray moon the bolted ironplate is more expensive than original recipe x3
@boreal cypress oh right. true
river night
and if you just unlocked coal, you might be in trouble using bolted iron plates properly, since you likely dont have steel yet to make mk3 belts to feed 250 screws into one assembler
wind spade
even my tool prioritizes normal over bolted xD
wind spade
yeah
river night
right all that to produce them faster
wind spade
sorry for confusion 😄
boreal cypress
yes
wind spade
should really play the game at least once
boreal cypress
xD
stray moon
which one? im guessing casted screws?
boreal cypress
yes
wind spade
casted screws are decent yeah
first one is crap
last one is good if you have extra iron and not enough copper, though doing pure copper ingot is better imo
boreal cypress
there is no situation where you ever want to use
river night
copper alloy can be useful later, somehow you start needing a lot of copper
boreal cypress
pure recipe are always better, more power expensive but give you more ingots
boreal cypress
i have 360GW and dont even drain 1% of the water xD maybe 2-3% with the pure recipes
wind spade
well it's also infinite 😄 for now
stray moon
it better not become finite
river night
if water were to run out, imagine if metal nodes do as well
stray moon
also. why can we not just trash or sink nuclear waste. yet we can trash/sink anything else.
or like. atleast let us refurbish it back into rods.
like maybe 100 waste turns into 1 rods
wind spade
because nuclear waste is there as a balancing element for nuclear power
it's there to be a disadvantage, otherwise nuclear would be super OP
(well it's OP already, but the waste at least doesn't make it nobrainer)
boreal cypress
@wind spade
stray moon
it should be op. cause its literally the final thing in the game
wind spade
for now
stray moon
atm
wind spade
devs are trying to have some balance in the game 🙂
boreal cypress
@stray moon there is a mod which let you recycle waste into fuel rods :P
sick dew
there should be an environmental damage mod. It's not enough to feel like I'm destroying the planet with all these factories, I want to know for a fact that I am ushering in the next mass extinction
boreal cypress
when i finally set up my TM Factory i will use it ^^
wind spade
I won't use that mod. Feels like cheating 😦
waste is supposed to be stored
I'd be fine with some mod that encases the waste into some lead/concrete containers that reduces radiation by a factor of 3-10 or something
stray moon
and whats the point of the day night cycle besides to be realistic and annoying. like. we dont even have solar panels or proper lighting yet. just out helmet light
boreal cypress
its very very expensive to recycle the waste
wind spade
only realism
boreal cypress
optic
wind spade
@boreal cypress but still it's possible 🙂
and costs in game where resources are infinite... 🤷♂️
you already have tons of power from nuclear
and tons of saved resources (oil) from not using turbofuel
and most of the other resources are plentiful
stray moon
like. why have something thats forces itself to be a thing. thats just annoying. atleast give it a benificial purpose for being there. like solar panels. and maybe a battery item.
boreal cypress
If I wanted to build anything else, I wouldn't care, recycling is just another goal I want to achieve and so don't ignore the game until U4 comes out^^
wind spade
@stray moon nobody forces you to go nuclear though. It's your choice. Either nuclear + waste or turbofuel + no waste
stray moon
im talking about the day night cycle
wind spade
ah
boreal cypress
permaday mod
wind spade
well I guess they wanted realism
river night
What I would like for the waste is maybe a relatively expensive storage unit that isolates the radiation a bit, not eliminate, just maybe let us process the waste into a cement/steel contraption so its less radioactive for long-term storage, gives the waste a tiny bit of gameplay to optimize it
boreal cypress
i think when there wasnt a daycycle most people would complain about always day ^^
wind spade
containers would be hard to do, but the encasing into concrete wold be pretty easy
stray moon
or another thing would be to add lead infused buildings.
river night
yeah another alternative is a specialized storage container
stray moon
what do i pick?
wind spade
radiation currently is done in a way that makes isolated buildings pretty hard to code
river night
but i think processing the waste into a "mini-castor" would be ok
boreal cypress
1 for lategame (thats what i use) but all 3 are shit for early xD
stray moon
figured XD
wind spade
I guess you can pick 3 if you need some fast RIPs
stray moon
thats what i was thinking
river night
@stray moon help yourself to a sheet that gives you an opinion on all them recipes https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1TqO6DwlKZibUia8USbbV_UD63LSS1yE9hBU_d64f0X0/htmlview
boreal cypress
i can tell you why i use 1 :D
wind spade
but I don't see a reason to use 1 for anything, copper is plentiful
boreal cypress
well greeny you are right xD but i already need 18k Copper ingots and dont want to use more :D
wind spade
isn't that like 6k 8k copper ore with pure ingots
boreal cypress
i need 900 wire per minute, , 10 assembler, only 30 caterium ingots and 120 copper ingots
with other recipe i need
(normal) 450 copper ingot and 30 constructer
(iron wire) 500 iron ingot and 40 constructer
royal minnow
i like that spreadsheet a lot, it uses actual data to inform opinions
river night
not sure I used fused wire before, now fused quickwire.. that i produce en masse
the problem with your math above is that 30 caterium ingots are almost worth as much as those 500 iron 😄
wind spade
I guess it saves a lot of copper...
wind spade
best wire according to my tool
river night
if you have the caterium to spare, nothing wrong with using it
boreal cypress
@wind spade i have over 660k Waste ^^
wind spade
was just checking how good the wire recipes are
boreal cypress
peeppeeppeeppeeppeeppeeppeeppeeppeep my ears .-.
wind spade
@boreal cypress well I guess it's because you have it on large place
got 318 meters from my tool for that number
so I guess it's something around that from the edge of the radiation cloud to first storage
boreal cypress
maybe i have the solution :D i have a x5 stack multiplier ^^
wind spade
my tool assumes all the items are in one place
boreal cypress
is it the red bubble or also the blue bubble?
wind spade
not sure how Anthor calculates it
boreal cypress
because only red is ~600m
wind spade
he has the formula from me, but I'm not sure how accurate he implemented it
boreal cypress
so when the peeppeeppeep comes
wind spade
since you need to calculate it for every place separately
boreal cypress
well idc about the radiation for now xD its few km away from my bases :D
stray moon
wait. with the waste. cant you just go to the edge the map and drop it out your inventory?
wind spade
there's no gravity for items
boreal cypress
it will just drop to the ground
boreal cypress
well jeah ... they float in air xD
river night
and even if it worked, getting rid of all nuclear waste manually .. thats like biomass all over again, in reverse
stray moon
and? your still getting rid of something that could eventually flood the world and kill you when ever you spawn (if you too niave)
river night
thats why nuclear is in a late tier, you hopefully had enough time to figure out how to do it properly 🤷
wind spade
@stray moon you'd need several years of gameplay for the radiation to cover enough of the map to have these issues
(also the items you drop still radiate)
stray moon
what do i get?
fresh geyser
hmmm
river night
all pretty bad
wind spade
one of the first two for no reason
or third to maybe use it as HISKI does
to save on space and machines, while still being decent recipe (though not as efficient as other wire recipes)
stray moon
it would kinda work well with A.I Limiters
river night
AI limiter need quickwire
fresh geyser
spoil of war of the mushroom lake 19 mushroom 7 computer and 5 hard drive
😄
and a couple slug
stray moon
AI limiter need quickwire
@river night i know. but they need copper sheets too. so. id still need to pump copper and caterium to the same place anyway. why not pump a little extra in and make fuzed wires
river night
wires are very high volume, so unless you need them right there, best to produce them where needed
wind spade
and 1:1 as well
glacial hemlock
uses Caterium to make wire? Usually we play the other way round.
boreal cypress
i do it
boreal cypress
copper+cat for wire
fresh geyser
i have cat only wire
glacial hemlock
I will rather use copper to create quickwire
fresh geyser
the cat wire with only cat is 120 wire by min i was sure its was good 1 cat for 8 wire
glacial hemlock
10k? That's very impressive for copper
fresh geyser
for quick wire i use copper too
boreal cypress
i need 24k Quickwire per minute and 7800 copper sheets per minute
fresh geyser
boreal cypress
thats a bad recipe xD
fresh geyser
lol
boreal cypress
cat is to ... uhm selten ...
fresh geyser
i have a pure node next to my base