#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 456

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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2 actually inside desert

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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also, 166 turbofuel gens sounds really spicy

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I've got 72 running myself and it's quite comfortable

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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those arms go a little further than 1-2 km

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I have 630 gens (could have had 650 but decided to use less than I produce)

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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will i get to nuclear with 99.5 GW?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:14 AM

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in that setup

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you can get to nuclear with far less

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FAR less

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u can reach nuclear with 10gw if you dont overdo it

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:15 AM

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im going full out

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166 fuel gens here i come

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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also if you go diluted each pipe will give you 148 gens

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not 166

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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huh?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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dont do the numbers in the picture I have sent you... work with 300 crude instead

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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looks like i screwed up somewhere

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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pipes can only carry 300 liquid atm

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so 333 would make you waste a lot of potential

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:18 AM

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is it worth making the refining and power gen at the same spot (northern oil field)

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:20 AM

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yes

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since north sea is the biggest and flattest buildable area in map

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:20 AM

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😄

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:25 AM

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@grizzled shoal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550566991724545/718435173405818950/unknown.png

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I recommend you to just sink the polymer resin since the production is not going to be consistent

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:25 AM

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thats not a big loss

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actually

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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since gens slow themselves if you dont use all the power available

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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its way better

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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therfore a lot less polymer resin production

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so you cant rely on

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or you can just ship it somewhere else and use it for rubber-plastic-fabric etc

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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why do u need resin?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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you "get" resin

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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oh

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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as bi product

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resin is good but since system is going to slow down when ur using less energy it wont produce much resin. you can still use it or sink it, up to you

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 8:27 AM

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I use mine in a fabric factory since I have that recipe. I don't use enough fabric to need it to be consistent. But you want to have an overflow to a sink because it'll gum up the works otherwise

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:27 AM

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yea you can overflow sink the fabric instead

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 8:29 AM

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well, more like "overflow sink the extra resin", because you don't want to build fabric plants counting on 100% power flow for production; at the same time you don't want to build 1 fabric plant and then have 200 resin/min production

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:29 AM

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fabric is worth more points so overflowing the extra fabric makes more sense in my opinnion

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 8:31 AM

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but then you have to have enough fabric plants to deal with the theoretical max of the resin coming out, because if you don't, and you use all your power, your resin will gum up the works, fuel production will stop, and you will have a HELL of a time getting it going again.

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The sink is... you don't actually care about the points, it is an overflow valve in this setup

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the only reason to do fabric at all is because it's something you CAN do with the byproduct, but because resin input will vary with power consumption, the resin amount will be variable and thus you can't build supply chains that rely on having at least x amount of it.

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so rubber or plastic is not a good way to go with those

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 8:40 AM

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@swift ice fabric worth less point than the resin.

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I still craft the byproduct resin into fabric, but i sink the overflew resin.

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 8:43 AM

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yeah, and nothing says you can't overflow fabric too. But it's a waste to build a ton of refineries for it and then have most of them idle because you're not using all that extra power yet.

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 10:00 AM

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@swift ice fabric worth less point than the resin.
@glacial hemlock havent checked the values but I assumed it was higher since it was higher product but yea that seems most logical

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@glacial hemlock can you pm me the "buildable boundaries" picture you had?

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 11:18 AM

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swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 11:43 AM

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@fierce ruin wrong channel

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 11:43 AM

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swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 11:44 AM

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grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 11:52 AM

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im done

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 11:54 AM

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@swift ice the buildable boundary is on wiki - world

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a fabric need 16 resins to craft. Resin is 12 points, fabric is 140 points. 12 * 16 = 192 points

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 11:55 AM

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ok found it ty @glacial hemlock

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 11:59 AM

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making a point farm arent we?

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 12:00 PM

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turbo motor.

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 12:06 PM

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huh?

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turbomotor needs fabric?

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:08 PM

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it needs rubber imo

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:44 PM

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@wind spade i guess this is kinda an Injection Manifold, but for Pipes

📎 Injection_Manifold_Pipes.png

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:45 PM

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is that even needed?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:46 PM

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@wind spade it falls into the "M OR L" category

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:46 PM

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since it's capped by the pipe on the left side anyway

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:46 PM

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thats the kind of L or M method for pipes

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@wind spade

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:46 PM

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no?

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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I mean if the first machine uses 300 then you dont need a junction anyway

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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well I can't find any reason why would you build the bottom pump and pipe

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does it help with throughput?

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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definitely

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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"evenly distribute imput" is written if you cant read 😄

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hehe

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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machines at the end often starve

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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@swift ice that doesn't distribute input evenly at all

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:47 PM

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since the pipes are all bidirectional

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:48 PM

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its literally what L or M looks like in pipes

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:48 PM

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so the first few machines, even though Input demand is met, could gobble up all the liquid

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:48 PM

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@oblique hollow pumps act like valves and junctions will distribute liquid evenly as long as both side flows

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so yes its a L or M situation

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i know that, no need to tell me. I know my Pipes very well

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Its the same principle as the 3:8 water coal setup, just with one pipe

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:50 PM

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not really since input is still limited to 300 here , for the 3:8 you actually use 2 pipes to meet 360 m³/min

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 12:50 PM

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True, but the loop is what I am thinking of in the comparison

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:51 PM

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the bottom pipe is really just a compensator, yes

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:51 PM

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the picture is to get the liquid distributed half from front and half from back side

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:51 PM

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yep

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:51 PM

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its a 2 split load balancing added on the manifold

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Now you have fluid getting supplied at both ends... does the machine at the middle get filled last?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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@glacial hemlock yes

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Yes

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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its not a full load balancing method but rather a mix of both to feed both ends first instead of just 1 end

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mid will get liquid last yes

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:53 PM

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its simply a small improvement to the normal pipe manifold

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:53 PM

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wait half the time for the system to ramp up

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:53 PM

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this is the full sheet

📎 Ficsit_Pipeline_Infograph_3.png

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:53 PM

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for MY perspective its not worth effort spend I would rather make 1 manifold and wait double the time while doing something else in majority of situations

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doing the 2 way split

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:54 PM

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the thing is that normal manifolds can actually lead to starvation

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:54 PM

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the thing is that normal manifolds can actually lead to starvation
@oblique hollow not if you math it out correctly

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:54 PM

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i think @upbeat tide actually had an issue like this once

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input was actually correct

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Aah, two ways I found to solve

Reference, it was a 10 refinery manifold using the recycled alt, so 300m3 fuel use total. 30 each

Prime each machine. Turn them on one at a time, and let the pipes fill up
Add a pump every two refineries, fount that reset flow rate problems

My issue was the last two refineries did not get the proper flow rate despite providing the correct total

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:58 PM

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if your refs arent that far from each other 2nd step is not needed in most cases

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if you are getting low flow rate on last since your pipework is too long before

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you can add 1 pump before first ref and be done with it

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:59 PM

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the pumps were added to prevent backflow

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:59 PM

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but yea mostly waiting enough for machines to get fully saturated before turning on next step refineries and doing same in tiers or/and adding buffers help balancing

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 12:59 PM

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remember that these arent belts, they arent one-way

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 12:59 PM

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@oblique hollow it wont backflow if the pipe is full

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all pipe network is full already*

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📎 Screenshot20200610-00570700000.png

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there is a pump right outside the screenshot at left side

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and its enough for whole ref system

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thats taking black pipes (crude) and use all of 300 crude into hor

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had to split the hor into 2 since its more than 300 total

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 1:01 PM

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if you just build gradually, the first manifold is filled before you build the next step, eliminating all these problems

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:01 PM

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added buffers before turning into TF

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and after tf I added buffers and a pump before going into gens

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Why use low tier belts?

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:01 PM

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they are mk5 hehe

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Im just on a high spot

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details wont show since Im far... all my belts are 5 hehe

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📎 Screenshot20200616-05110400000.png

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Also using low tier belts isnt a problem, as long as you match the belt tier properly

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Also using low tier belts isnt a problem, as long as you match the belt tier properly
@upbeat tide yes also true

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Such as most of my assembler arrays use mk1’s as the feeder belt from the manifold into the machine itself

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Except those that need over 60 items a min obv

rustic rose Jun 20, 2020, 1:04 PM

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a me piace il pisello....poi non so voi

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 1:04 PM

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@rustic rose english only

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:04 PM

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as long as you wait enough and the most heavy line is matching the speed of total imput all belts can be the highest tier

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you dont "need" to put low tiers right before machines

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but it still works if you do

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:04 PM

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I kow but I like the look

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:04 PM

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hehe

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Sure its unnecessary but

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:06 PM

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yea its personal preference. I like having all mk5 so I dont make a mistake in a step by using a lower than needed tier belt

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:06 PM

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BUT I dunno if it works with mergers the way I think

But I merge 13 recycled plastic refineries into a mk5 belt. I swear once I made the feeding belts from machine to the mk5 mergers into mk1’s the whole thing seems to eork smoother

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I have a sh.tton of alu plates that Im just sink'ing atm

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my "smol" bauxide setup is producing 460+ alu plates/min

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I make 819 alclad a min atm soo not a shortage issue

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:06 PM

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yep exactly

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:07 PM

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And I need more alclad too

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958 or somethin like

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For a eventual 60 a min TM setup

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60 TM
60 SC
60 HMF
31.5 NFR

Current endgame goals

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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60!!!

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Why not 155 😆

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Lol

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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ppl need the alu for other things hehe

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Sounds legit

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Keep in mind mk6 legit belts are gonna need alclad and heat sinks

According to wiki anyway

oblique hollow Jun 20, 2020, 1:12 PM

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but the true question is where they got that info from

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Datamining game files usually

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:13 PM

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yes I expect heat sink cost only rather than 2 materials

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doesnt make sense tho hehe

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so both can be true. Im stocking up on heatsinks atm in case mk6 is released after summer break

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I can finally use my mk3 pure miners correctly hehe

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Want mk2 pipes tho

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We are losing soo much oil from that issue

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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yup

lunar pawn Jun 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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or improved oil mk2 and mk3

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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I cant wait to redesign my 630 generator setup hehe

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📎 opera_2020-06-16_04-24-37.png

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I could have another 600m3 immediately without any new oil nodes tapped

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I just want a way to get TF without compacted coal

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sulfur is bottlenecking me

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Not gonna happen

lunar pawn Jun 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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im also going compacted coal and sulfur is indeed tedious

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I stopped at 2666.66 TF

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Im at 2880TF

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not even bothering to dilute hehe

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since sulfur is a bottleneck before crude

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I diluted. Used 1200 oil only for mine

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 1:18 PM

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At 750 TF, and planning to de-commission it

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:18 PM

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117 assemblers working to supply 2925 compact coal per minute... fck sulfur

📎 opera_2020-06-16_09-53-47.png

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 1:18 PM

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2925.... nice

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:18 PM

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I diluted. Used 1200 oil only for mine
@upbeat tide Im using 9x300 pipes and not bothering to dilute it like I have said. sulfur is bottlenecking me a lot before crude

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ill redesign maybe if they add an alternative to TF recipe with some other item that doesnt involve sulfur

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or more efficient way to use sulfur into compact coal

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Im happy with my 2400 a min CCoal setup

2133 goes into TF
75 goes into black powder
192 to compacted steel

Using 2400 coal and 2580 sulfur

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:37 PM

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why not same coal and sulfur numbers?

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@upbeat tide did you mean ur pumping 2400 and 2580 into it?

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I have a pure sulfur tapped and 3 normals

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And the unused 180 sulfur goes into the black power setup

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So its really convenient for me actually as I wanted to automate munitions.

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:40 PM

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so yea thats what I meant

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ur putting in but not "using" some of it

upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Well, origionally yes

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Now, 100% used

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For all 3 processes listed above

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Anyone know any good starter coal generator layouts

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Anyone know any good starter coal generator layouts
@pearl adder think simple and build yourself

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coal is relatively easy

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15 coal 45 water per generator

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Yeah just really confused how pipes work

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nvm ur right I'll try, that way it'll be easier in the future

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 1:59 PM

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the ratio is 8 coal generators and 3 water extractors for full efficiency

signal sky Jun 20, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Pipes carry a Max of 300 water, idk the extractor rate off the top of my head tho

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 1:59 PM

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120

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 1:59 PM

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120

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Yeah I got all the stuff prepped up, just trying to find an effective way of building it

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so it's all straight and clean

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Well the easiest setup would be 1 water at 75% devided to 2 coal gens

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:00 PM

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I have 240 Coal/Min so I'll need 6 water extractors

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:00 PM

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👀

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:00 PM

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and then 16 coal generators

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:00 PM

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You wanna use all of it?

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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why not?

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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what about steel and stuff

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Then you can already do 16

signal sky Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Steel yea

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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haven't unlocked it yet

signal sky Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Steel is soon after coal

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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you should prob keep at least 45 coal/m

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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hm should I do half and half then

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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prob ya

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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120 coal for steel and the other for power

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I think i needed about 16 coal gens up until i hit oil

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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well then, I over prepared

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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there are many other coal nodes that u can use for steel

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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After that i needed more

tidal ledge Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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seems about right, i was alright with 2x 67.5 steel/m

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Yeah I just found 4 normal nodes right next to my base

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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You can build coal power plants anywhere rly

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But steel you should have close by

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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so transporting it would be hard since the closest "best" transport I can get is either a tractor or buses

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Just do a long bus

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Tractors are rly bad

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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ok

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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When you get trucks or explorers you can use stations but until then its eh

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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he means a long belt line

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not an actual bus

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:03 PM

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yeah I know what conveyor buses are lol

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 2:06 PM

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just to be clear hehe

pearl adder Jun 20, 2020, 2:06 PM

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xd

oak spade Jun 20, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Why does it take like 50 refineries to refine 1 pure copper node?

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Bcs they use very little copper ore

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I think they use like 7? to make 15 igots

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Why does it take like 50 refineries to refine 1 pure copper node?
@oak spade refineries use the raw matterials "efficiently" by adding water to get ingots

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compared to just smelting them

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thats why it takes too many refineries

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:19 PM

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I belive it comes out to 35 ore per minute

oak spade Jun 20, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Most of me just complaining lmao

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Well then just use smelters?

oak spade Jun 20, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Copper is 15 ore per minute

safe hawk Jun 20, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Ah ok i wqs confused why it only needs 15

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Its slower but more efficient then iron

echo adder Jun 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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The conveyor lifts don’t have a return animation so it looks like they have an infinite amount of those platforms.

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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they do imo

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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The conveyor lifts don’t have a return animation so it looks like they have an infinite amount of those platforms.
@echo adder think of it as they fold into a belt-like structure and go back on the back side of actual lifts if it helps you sleep at night

glacial hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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lol

echo adder Jun 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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@swift ice if they had some kind of opposite animation to the direction that the lift is going in it would have a more natural feel to the motion. Right now it just goes in one direction and looks like the platform is created at one end and then destroyed at the other.

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I think the platform folds down and goes back in the encased end of conveyor

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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@echo adder yea and infinite resources totally makes sense right? hehe

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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The belt goes under

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You know like tank treads

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Threads?

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Also if youre to worried and stupid to figure out a belt system, that literally is around you almost every day. Like for instance escalators use the same sort of design. Maybe this aint the game for you 😂

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Also if youre to worried and stupid to figure out a belt system, that literally is around you almost every day. Like for instance escalators use the same sort of design. Maybe this aint the game for you 😂
@fierce ruin lifts dont really have a return animation like he said... its nothing to do with stupidity.

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belts do have returning animation below them

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Oh lifts huh

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Disregard what I said 😂

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Now im curious how lifts are animated haha

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:21 PM

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imagine never looking at lifts so far hehe

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yeah the lifts are dumb i agree they just gone

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I think the lifting platform folds down and goes back in the encased part of conveyor lift

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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thats kind of what I said @wind spade

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Well yeah but theres nothing going the other way

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So where do the platforms come from?

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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with the red part being the "wall" of the conveyor lift

📎 unknown.png

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/magic-shia-labeouf-snl-skit-fingers-gif-4860090

Tenor

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Theres no wall

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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theresnospoon

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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📎 ConveyorLiftMK5_256.png

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Oh its mk2

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Mk1 has no wall

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 5:30 PM

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idk I don't play the game 😄

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I just googled image

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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idk I don't play the game 😄
@wind spade

fierce ruin Jun 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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@wind spade simon_smile

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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remember once a ~~slave~~ pioneer always a ~~slave~~ pioneer

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hehe

fresh elm Jun 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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those elevator lifts are real things you can find real animations of physical objects that work like that

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lol

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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sparlexna

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@swift ice

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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hehe

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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could u send me turbofuel diagram again?

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simple one:D

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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merci

swift ice Jun 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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this is not the simple one tho

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this is the diluted way, simple gives you 320 TF per 300 crude

grizzled shoal Jun 20, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i prefer this one

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thanks

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 9:57 PM

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My first set-up

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I split my belt into 15 ppm separate belts to power this beautiful machine

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 10:10 PM

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@north osprey I recommend not doing exact splits and just make a manifold. You'll save yourselves a lot of issues later

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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a what now

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lol

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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I didn't read the entire discussion earlier, but what was the outcome of the manifold vs balancer?

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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@north osprey

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

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S = splitter
X = any machine

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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wait, that seems inefficient to me. If you use that each time you'd split more and more.. And the end barely gets anything

serene whale Jun 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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@north osprey

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

@wind spade

Is there a downside to do it this way?

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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You can split it to both sides

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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@knotty osprey both work the same, manifolds are more meta especially for larger bases, balancers look nicer, but work immediatelly

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Assuming that each needs a certain amount

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Manifolds are neater than balancers but require perfect planning of what you are using, right?

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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I've been using manifolds, for expansion ease.

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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@north osprey @serene whale it works because first machine gets filled and overflows the rest to second one, etc. Disadvantage = takes a few minutes to work at 100%, advantages = easy expansion, simplicity, usually takes less space, etc.

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Ah, I see

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you know what.. that makes sense

serene whale Jun 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Then that sounds like the way to go

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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That is different from Factorio where it splits and that is all you'd get

serene whale Jun 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Do you guys have any suggestions for add to plan a mega base from the start?

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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If you did a bus from one single source

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Well, my first playthrough is usually a f around have fun playthrough haha

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But to plan a megabase

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Everything would be on a grid probably

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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yes, grids are key

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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I only started doing that

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AFter I got boored of sphaget

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spaghet*

wind spade Jun 20, 2020, 10:40 PM

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@north osprey not really. Manifold can be compared to inserters taking from a belt to machines. You don't balance for every machine in Factorio as well

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:40 PM

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oh you are right

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what am I saying

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It would work the same way it is just less efficient because of how Factorio works vs. Satisfactory

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but I forget that everything is from source to source

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I'd also consider using a working floor between layers. EG: if we count a wall as a measurement tool, 3 walls high is enough for machines, so a "floor" should be 3 machine and 1 working floor under it. This working floor allows you to route all your wires ( if you unlock wall cable attachments) and input / output conveyor belts under the floors.

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Really quick build to demo what I mean 😛

📎 Screenshot20200620-23431800000.png

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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I'm all about symmetry so I would probably do this too

     S   S 
     |    |

-----B-B-----
| |
S S

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I do have concerns for how to stack machines

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How does that work exactly?

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Can I just place smelters on smelters?

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Or something?

dim pebble Jun 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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i think yo'll need foundations in between

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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you'll need floors between yes

north osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:47 PM

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oh oh

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Is every machine 1 wall high?

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except select few?

knotty osprey Jun 20, 2020, 10:47 PM

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normally 3

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miners are more

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2 and a bit, but it means you have to use 3 😛

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all varying heights, but between 2 and 3

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upbeat tide Jun 20, 2020, 11:25 PM

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3 walls - constructor, assembler, smelter, and foundry
4 walls - manufacturer
5 walls - miner mk1, 2, 3, and water extractor
7 walls - fuel generator, awesome sink
8 walls - refinery, oil extractor
9 walls - coal generator
13 walls - nuclear power plant

silver raft Jun 20, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Anyone have a guess as to why my pipes would prioritize filling the buffer before feeding the starved machine in front of it?

empty hemlock Jun 20, 2020, 11:53 PM

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is the pipe that connects the machine higher than the buffer pipe?

silver raft Jun 20, 2020, 11:54 PM

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it's a vertical pipe coming off another horizontal pipe that comes off the buffer

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struggling to deal with this input/output water business with aluminum (it's working there cause the buffer is full)

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round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 11:56 PM

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why are you putting in a buffer for -water-?

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either you have the pump capacity to pump enough to run the plant, or you don't

silver raft Jun 20, 2020, 11:57 PM

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but the next machine outputs water, so I have to do something with it

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Just run it back into the input network.

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preferably into a pipe where you're not worried about hitting maximum flow to begin with

silver raft Jun 20, 2020, 11:58 PM

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with only it I don't have enough water, with extractors on the machines don't dump anything and they stop

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in current scenario tho the buffer needs to fill before the water will go anywhere else so it's not doing anything lol

round zinc Jun 20, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Well, yes. That's how they work

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nothing at a higher altitude than that buffer will get any water until it fills up.

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well, subject to max pipe flow limits

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I have a similar setup elsewhere and it remains almost empty while the stuff overtop of it uses the oil residue

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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I'm not saying that you can run ONLY off the output water from the aluminum production. But at some point in your water distribution network, there's a pipe that doesn't have maximum flow into it

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

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it has a pump on the output tho

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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ah, one of the things to remember is that pumps also serve as backflow preventers

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:01 AM

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ohhhhh I bet that is the key

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once it hits the level of the pipe it lets it flow out and not come back? Not sure if they work that way in game tho with the pipe being at x amount

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works.

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:08 AM

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I think I need to switch to 2 extractors per 3 refineries instead of 1:1 then I think I can pump it back in easier

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:10 AM

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that's basically how the math breaks down

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3 bauxite refineries need 300m3/min of water

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the two extractors provide 240

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those three refineries put out enough alumina solution for one more refinery, that outputs 60/min of water

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so 240 + 60 = 300 and you're balanced

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:11 AM

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oops. I was looking at the output so I thought it was 80 each for perfect 2:3

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:11 AM

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AND, conveniently, right at total pipe capacity so you don't have to worry about that

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:11 AM

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ohhhhh

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So each refinery puts their own water into the 2 extractor network

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:12 AM

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downside is that setup only eats 210 bauxite/min so your miner may not be going full blast.

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well, you have 4 refineries total. 3 are bauxite to solution, 1 is solution to scrap. Only the last one outputs any water.

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I have 7 outputting solution, 2.3 using it, should add up to 480 bauxite/min for like 137 alum

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3 feed the 2 running at 100% and 1 feeds the 1 at 30%

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:14 AM

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no harm in having one extra machine to handle some leftovers

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you just need to make sure that you're keeping the water networks separated (and the alumina solution, for that matter) so that you aren't ever trying to push more than 300m3 through a single pipe

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:15 AM

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yeah that's how I have it split now, most solution that feed is 3 into 1 pipe for 240

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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@silver raft wiki Alclad aluminum sheet, the answer is in there

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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what recipe are you planning on using for the ingots?

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:16 AM

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standard

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with silica

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:17 AM

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that's a hell of a lot of silica, you got it worked out?

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Haven't made it to that part yet lol

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should be 9 constructors tho

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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yeah, about that... about 205 quartz/min unless you're using the cheap silica recipe

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I have a belt coming in from a pure node I just haven't done anything with it yet

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But that will cover it fine

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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yeah, I wanted to do the math to make sure you COULD do the setup with mk4 belts, it works out (just barely)

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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mk4 belts are 480/min

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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your silica demand is 480/min.

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 AM

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ohhhhhh

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I thought you meant for quartz lol

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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ah, nah, that'll be okay with a mk3

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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but yeah I didn't look too much cause once it gets running I can make mk5 belts to cover any areas if needed

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:24 AM

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I'll be honest, I've got a single setup of 3 refineries for bauxite, 1 for alumina solution, 2 foundries for ingots, and I've got all the aluminum I need (though I use the cheaper alt recipes for my turbo motors)

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:24 AM

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hmmmm maybe I'm biting off a lot more than needed lol

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I just saw that like everything in t7 needed it so I was like yeah I'm gonna make a stupid amount of this stuff

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 12:25 AM

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well, more capacity isn't ever BAD

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Nothing is more satisfactory than building a hugely complicated setup to overproduce something you really only need a little bit of.

silver raft Jun 21, 2020, 12:26 AM

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@glacial hemlock I checked that out, it is helpful but understanding how the stuff works helps me more now since I already had a production map...harder than the map made it look haha

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 1:01 AM

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lol

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:15 AM

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so i have a factory with 10 screw constructors and i want to feed these 10 into 4 assemblers. how can i balance 10 outputs into 4 inputs efficiently? i mean i can double them up, but then i end up with 5 outputs

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:15 AM

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all into 1 manifold, then split into 2 then 4

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:18 AM

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oh yeah that makes a lot of sense

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thanks

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is this viable for other options too? merge them all into one and then split accordingly?

river night Jun 21, 2020, 11:20 AM

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10 into 1 might be pushing belt limits though, so I would probably go with 2 seperate manifolds to feed 2 assemblers each

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:20 AM

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^

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unless you got high mk belts

river night Jun 21, 2020, 11:20 AM

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and manifolds work for most things just fine, just need to keep belt limits in mind

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Screws suck for belt limits

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Underclock assemblers to 80%, build 5 of them and do 2:1

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Screws suck for belt limits
@knotty osprey true, i might go with 2 manifolds then. greatly appreciated

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Greeny has the best idea tbh.

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I make quick and dirty fixes, greeny thinks things through XD

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:25 AM

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ohhh assemblers

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that might do the trick too

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i didnt even know you can underclock

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:26 AM

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||You need to unlock overclocking in the MAM first||

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:30 AM

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ahh there is a flaw because i have 4 iron rod constructors that also feed the assemblers, so underclocking wouldnt be that efficient

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:31 AM

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reinforced plate factory?

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:31 AM

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rotor

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:32 AM

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so run 5 iron rod factorys at 80% as well?

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:35 AM

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yeah, just underclock them so that it's 1:1 or 2:1

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it's way easier than trying to build balancers

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or struggling with manifolds, because your belt speed is low

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:37 AM

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the problem is that i have to replan the whole factory then, which i dont wanna do tbh. i was going with this. i have the iron nodes, 6 smelters 12 constructors 10 screw constructors and 4 assemblers

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knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I'm always rebuilding my factorys XD

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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what's your belt tier? mk2?

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Until I've unlocked every alt recipe, it'll be a constant rebuild to perfection

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

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i can make mk3

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

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then do a manifold

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I'm always rebuilding my factorys XD
@knotty osprey yes me too but i wanna have atleast something going. so i can focus on other stuff

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

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and just make 5 assemblers at 80%

knotty osprey Jun 21, 2020, 11:41 AM

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True Filipo, I have many systems all going and a "mall" where I can grab from a full container of everything I have running so if a machine is down for a rebuild, I've still got plenty to keep me going

acoustic night Jun 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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and just make 5 assemblers at 80%
@wind spade gonna settle with that. @knotty osprey yep that's a good one. thanks so much for your help

simple jetty Jun 21, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Just wondering, how many coal generators can a pure coal node hold?

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 11:52 AM

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what miner?

simple jetty Jun 21, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Mk1

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Although I can use Mk2 conveyors

lunar pawn Jun 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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miner makes ur output so 120 i believe and devided by 15 so 8

simple jetty Jun 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Hmm ok

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Thanks

lunar pawn Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 AM

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Miner Mark Impure Node Normal Node Pure Node
Miner Mk.1 30 60 120
Miner Mk.2 60 120 240
Miner Mk.3 120 240 480

pearl adder Jun 21, 2020, 12:21 PM

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anyone know how many rotors and/or modular frames 1 Iron Pure node (Miner Mk1) can make?

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I've been looking at mutiple methods but can't find a 100% efficient one

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

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10.67 rotors

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or 5 modular frames

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modular frames: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=51tjRI6FFCIkJA42hj6K

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rotors: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=pZWiIvX7GOe8Pe0fYK3J

pearl adder Jun 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Wait how would I split those ores

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:26 PM

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wdym? use a splitter

pearl adder Jun 21, 2020, 12:26 PM

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since it's like 66.67 and 53.33

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wouldn't it try to split them equally

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:26 PM

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sure, but then one side will overflow to the other

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since it would get more than it needs

woeful skiff Jun 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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It would try but it would not succeed because the one that is using less would back up and force things down the other side.

pearl adder Jun 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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so I use a sort of manifold system

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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well manifolds are considered better anyway

pearl adder Jun 21, 2020, 12:28 PM

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yeah just they won't work if the input is the same as the output

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which is what most of setups are like

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anyways ty for showing me this website

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:31 PM

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they work if input is same as output tho @pearl adder

woeful skiff Jun 21, 2020, 12:31 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean, they balance out fine as long as you wait long enough to the machine buffers to fill. Unless you build an open manifold that doesn't use the overflow option on the last splitter, then you can build something that will never fill.

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It can take longer than you might think for the buffers to fill up. (https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill is handy for calculating that time)

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 12:34 PM

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well manifolds are considered better anyway
@wind spade triggered

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Also if you do not want to wait, you have a few choices

Turn on the machines one at a time, let it fill up and move on
Attach a cargo container with the desired resource to kickstart the system

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:35 PM

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prefill the machines

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 12:35 PM

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use faster belts

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 12:36 PM

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All the above

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:36 PM

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do 1:1 and screw manifold

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

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do 1:1 and screw manifold
@wind spade you still need to wait for some time even tho its a lot less

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

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you always need to wait thonk3D

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

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what Im doing atm hehe

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

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if you build the buildings in the 'correct' order, by the time you power the final machine, the previous machines should already pre-filled

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 12:38 PM

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yeah, some people just build the whole thing, then hook it up and then are complaining that they have to wait. If you hook it up at the start, it'll be filling while you're building 🙂

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Unless you pre wire the system fully before attaching the final connecting wire

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I purposely don't connect the final output to allow the whole system to build up first

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Same, and once everything is properly fed I toss on a sink, a throughput counter and make sure its working accordingly

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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its harder to rebuild-change your design while building if resources are already flowing cause they take space but hey you can always destroy em

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 12:40 PM

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so that when the machine is running, and if any of the machine buffer drops, then I know something is wrong

woeful skiff Jun 21, 2020, 12:42 PM

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I don't like stuff flowing through the system while I'm building so I don't hook up a new factory until I'm done. Then I move on and start building the next factory while the previous one fills.

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Sometimes that means I build a totally broken factory and don't notice until I go back to check on it days later 🤦

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Also when looking at machine buffers, I like to put underclocked machines at the back of the manifold, so when looking for issues, I check the last 100% machine plus the UC’s

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Is it normal for Reinforced Iron production to be this big?

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wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:24 PM

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you mean this small? 😛

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:24 PM

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that's small?

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I'm new to the game

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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yeah, your factories will be much much bigger

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also the ratios don't seem to match on your screenshot

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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I've overclocked the assembler twice

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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if you build more instead, you will use less power

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Significantly less?

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:26 PM

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1 assembler @ 200% = 36.3 MW
2 assemblers @ 100% = 24 MW

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Ohhh..

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Well, I know what I'm doing next 😄

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 PM

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overclocking is not recommended, unless for miners (but it's still better to build more miners if you can)

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Noted, I'll be more careful next time I imagine.

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:28 PM

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a lot of people do this, don't worry 😉

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:28 PM

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👌🏼

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Is there a better way to setup pure iron?

Ill have two output belts with 557.14 each

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glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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@feral canopy there is no 'small' or 'big' in factory building game. The limit is your imagination (well there IS a hard limit on the map itself, but you probably won't hit that so soon)

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Can't imagine so 😄

glacial hemlock Jun 21, 2020, 2:39 PM

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see #screenshots for inspirations.

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Screenshots hurt my brain

upbeat tide Jun 21, 2020, 2:43 PM

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How so?

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 2:58 PM

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any mod/command to fasten up hard drive research speed?

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 2:59 PM

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it's just 10 minutes and you can take your MAM with you on drive hunt 🤔

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:01 PM

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@grizzled shoal if you really want that, the simple answer is cheat engine, probably not allowed to teach you how to but shouldnt be difficult to work out with a google search

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:02 PM

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bless you

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@candid sonnet sorry for asking, but do you have a version without viruses?

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cant find one

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:08 PM

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cheatengine dot org

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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dont push the "C word" stuff in this channel/discord hehe

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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virustotal is crying in 22 viruses

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:09 PM

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the program acts as a virus itself

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since it manipulates the coding* of other programs

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:10 PM

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ce should be clean on virustotal afaik

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leme go look

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yeah its clean

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https://puu.sh/FYQLn/616858f289.png

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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mine is crying

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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are you downloading from cheatengine dot org?

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:11 PM

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📎 Annotation_2020-06-21_180651.png

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yes

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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by the time you find a nice cheat engine, you would have already found the recipe in your HDD 🤔

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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hehe I was thinking the same thing

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there is a reason why devs made hdds's the way they are... just play the game hehe

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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im scanning the second hard driive and its still no recipe

lusty musk Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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seriously - its just 10 minutes... theres planty to do while you wait

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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im scanning the second hard driive and its still no recipe
@grizzled shoal "second"

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 PM

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hehe

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fun thing its not even second

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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well beats me then , cheat engine.org has no viruses for me and tbh wouldnt be surprised if some things picked it up as a virus seeing as its the basis for how cheats for almost every game is made

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 3:13 PM

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there's ~70 recipes and you should get at least most of them. So go hunt for some HDDs and do the research in meantime 😉

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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its a memory debugger which most antiviruses would hate

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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no freacking way

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just got it lol

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:14 PM

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exploration is a very joyful part of the game

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I dont understand how you people can "enjoy" your time when you are running with this many cheats-mods-godmode-fully unlocked recipes at the start of your gameplay experience

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ruins your early game, ruins your knowledge, you dont learn from mistakes, you dont enjoy the game the way its meant to be played in general.

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I dont say this to the people using mods-godmode/flight etc when they are building their supermasive bases/structures like 1180GW nuclear plant complex

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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well to each their own i guess

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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but to the people just want everything at the very start

candid sonnet Jun 21, 2020, 3:17 PM

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i used ce to get around the map fast when i was scouting possible base locations to avoid spending 2 hours running here and there

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:24 PM

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You cannot split anything evenly into a prime number (except 3) amount of inputs right?

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:25 PM

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technically with enough splitters and mergers you can... but at that point I would go for a manifold @obsidian trench

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:26 PM

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But how would you? Lets take 5 for example. How would you split 2 outputs into 5 inputs? Afaik Prime Numbers cannot be "made" from any other numbers, which makes them Prime.

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:26 PM

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5 "per minute" right?

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or 5 exact number of products?

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:27 PM

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You have 5 inputs. Like lets say smelters. And you have 2 outputs. Lets say Iron Ore Nodes.

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How do you evenly split the 2 Iron Ore Outputs to the 5 smelter inputs. I think you cant

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:27 PM

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let me draw with my horrendous paint skills 1 sec

frail peak Jun 21, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I guess you could split to a shared multiple of 3 and 5 = 15 , then merge back to 5.

rancid lark Jun 21, 2020, 5:29 PM

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What you are trying to split, rates, is not limited to ordinal values. 2 split into 5 would be 2/5ths rate into each input

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Im not talking about rates. I just want everything evenly split.

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:30 PM

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@obsidian trench well we do have even the slowest miner working with 30/minute if you dont underclock it so the multiplicaton and additions are "easier"

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but if you absolutely limit the 2 miners into 1 ore per minute

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~~I can make you a setup~~ I meant I "cant" make you a setup... it was a typo

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I see. An assumption I made is that all outputs have the same rates

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:32 PM

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in the end if you only have 1 ore per minute from 2 miners you can just have 1 smelter working with 2 ore per minute

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they will slow themselves down to match the intake in ~~most~~ all cases where ore is lower than smelter* capacity

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at that point belt work wont "really" matter

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but if you want an example with 2 normal node mk1 miners trying to split into 5 smelters I can give you a clear example

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Well this is a pretty hypothetical case youre talking about. Im mostly talking about Mk3 Miners at 250% OC

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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a rather easy one

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mk3 miner at %250 is a lot easier to deal with

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780 (belt max) is your limitation

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so 2 lines of 780 into 5 smelters is a lot easier to do

rancid lark Jun 21, 2020, 5:34 PM

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A 2:5 balancer would split each output into 3, feed 5 of those 6 splits into the inputs, then the 6th unused split would be fed into a splitter and merged back evenly into the 2 input lines

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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A 2:5 balancer would split each output into 3, feed 5 of those 6 splits into the inputs, then the 6th unused split would be fed into a splitter and merged back evenly into the 2 input lines
@rancid lark yes that would work

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or you can have 1:2 manifold with 0.5 into overflow back to other system

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or use industrial storage container to merge 2 lines and split back

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:36 PM

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@rancid lark The last split would only receive 50% tho

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:36 PM

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to "balance" the system

rancid lark Jun 21, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Ya, manifold would be easier setup

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:36 PM

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no last split will get %50 extra from 1st split and since each split has %50 extra of its own to start with it will add up to 1 for the last smelter

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1:2 (full 2 smelters) > 0.5 overflow /// 1:2 (full) > 0.5 overflow > /// merge both overflows for 1 full smelter

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2:5

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its not really a manifold at that point

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more like a load balance-fold hehe

rancid lark Jun 21, 2020, 5:38 PM

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The setup I mentioned doesn't work well if your 2 output belts are already at max rate though

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Ahh I see

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So basically you can always go to the next highest non-prime number, and subtract the actual prime you wanted to go to, and use that as overflow to feed it back into the inputs

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So 2 - 5, 5 is prime, next highest is 6, 6-5 = 1, 2 inputs so 1/2.

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:40 PM

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obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Nah

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:41 PM

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that is literally a 2:5 load balancer hehe

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:41 PM

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This is simpler to understand tho

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atleast imo

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But yours works better for belt capacity

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:42 PM

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same thing with less splitters-mergers-belt segments if you ask me

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hehe

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Hmm not quite the same thing

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:43 PM

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ffs again with the balancers 😄

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just do a manifold

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:43 PM

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They are important xD

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:43 PM

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they are pretty much useless

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manifolds do the same thing and don't require thinking 😄

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:44 PM

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But they dont balance anything

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In my case I would have my last smelter running at 0.00001% efficiency

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I have a few of them 😅

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wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:45 PM

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what?

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what's your case, where a manifold doesn't run equally as good as a balancer

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:46 PM

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The first smelter would always be filled first

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Remember him?

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obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:47 PM

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In case there is an interuption of production because of a power overload, the last smelter would take forevery to be refilled. So in case you have something hooked up to the last smelter, then that wont be produced for a while.

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Balancers > Manifolds. Change my mind

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 5:47 PM

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this is him now

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scenic pendant Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Mooore

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@obsidian trench but that doesn't matter as you merge it with a manifold as well

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 PM

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this is barely a 1/3 done

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@wind spade Belt capacity is maxed tho. I can only merge so many

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Merging more than 8 smelters at 100% is not possible with Mk3 belts. Therefore you can only merge up to 8 smelters at max. (At my point in game)

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:49 PM

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multiple manifolds

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Thats honestly more ridiculouse than balancers imo

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:50 PM

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also if there's a shortage in power, machines stop working, so nothing will change and there won't be any time needed to re-refill the last machines

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Well sometimes I delete a cable on accident, when mass disassembling. And then only parts of the factory would power down :P

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Plus I like doing the maths on balancers

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:53 PM

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here we go again with manifold-load balance argument again...

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2 times a day wasnt enough anyway hehe

grizzled shoal Jun 21, 2020, 5:54 PM

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hehe

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Id say its pp

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:54 PM

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they both will achieve same thing in the end if you have your setup correctly hehe

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I'm not saying you shouldn't build them. I'm saying that they are not required for efficient factory and factories that use balancers vs factories using manifolds will perform the same

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and with that said, manifolds are easier to plan and can work with different machine speeds, so they are objectively better 😉

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:55 PM

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neither is required, neither is superior, both have advantages and disadvantages, in the end both will achieve same thing given enough time for balancing the system flow

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I mean you could literally just spam splitters and mergers everywhere

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As long as your input rate is higher than your output rate it will always balance out

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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sure

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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As long as your input rate is higher than your output rate it will always balance out
@obsidian trench not needed to have imput higher, it will balance regardless of which is higher or equal

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 5:59 PM

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No if you need more than you can provide

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and you use a manifold, it will never reach the end

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 5:59 PM

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1 method turns off some factories and make others work %100, other method will slow down whole set, in the end end product is gona be same

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to match intake

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No if you need more than you can provide
@obsidian trench yes it will also balance regardless. thats what Im saying

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Yeah exactly you can either have it 100%, 10% or 55/55

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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true

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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The devs should implement a "Charge Up" cost for smelters :^)

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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hence both methods same when it comes to reaching the same goal with same starting point

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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So it takes energy/time to heat them up to work temperature

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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2 ways to reach from A to B

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both different ways, same result at the end

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regardless of your case

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 6:01 PM

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why are you both just saying the same thing all over again?

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I literally said this exact thing a few messages back

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I literally said this exact thing a few days back hehe when you were claiming manifolds were better hehe

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 6:02 PM

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the advantage I (and most of the people here) see for manifolds are not related to the functionality, but to the complexity of the build

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that's why I consider them "better"

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not because they work better, but because it's easier to build them, easier to expand them, easier to work with different machine speeds

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:02 PM

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personal preference

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I also prefer manifolds now after reaching into "more than 30 sets of constructor" kind of builds. but again its just a personal preference 🙂

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I also sometimes do a mix-match

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manibalancefolds hehe

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 6:06 PM

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easier build is not a personal preference, but objective value

obsidian trench Jun 21, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Some people like building stuff more complicated

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Some people simply like the aesthetics of a factory and dont even care about efficiency at all

fresh elm Jun 21, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I've been trying to do both lately, it ends up taking a lot more time

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I've been trying to do both lately, it ends up taking a lot more time
@fresh elm do what you like, do what makes sense, do what your heart desires, do what is most satisfactory

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sounded like a game trailer announcer in my head while I wrote it hehe

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 6:12 PM

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"some people like" is a personal perference, so while you can use it for arugment why you build balancers, it can't be used for objective comparsion

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Would anyone be able to explain to me the difference between load balancing and manifold, been hearing those two things a lot recently.

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Would anyone be able to explain to me the difference between load balancing and manifold, been hearing those two things a lot recently.
@feral canopy nice meme

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 6:39 PM

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@feral canopy https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/btexf7/satisfactory_saturdays_2_balancers_vs_manifolds/

r/SatisfactoryGame - Satisfactory Saturdays #2 - Balancers vs. Mani...

109 votes and 75 comments so far on Reddit

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Just given that a read, cheers @wind spade

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:46 PM

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i have 3 train depots going into 28 refineries ( 2 lines of 14) is there a good way to balance it ?

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compacted coal

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or should i just manifold it splitting my middle train depot into each line

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@quartz wedge how much compact coal are you producing and using total in that setup?

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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compacted coal wont be the problem i have ) will have) 153 assemblers running at 100% efficiency

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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compacted coal
@quartz wedge

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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but i need to calculate the train ride

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:52 PM

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do you need to calculate/balance the sulfur/coal line that goes from station to assemblers?

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also 153? are you planning to use all sulfur in map or something? hehe

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:53 PM

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im taking 1 impure 2 normal 3 pure sulfur nodes at 250%

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the train depot to refineries is for my turbo fuel production

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:53 PM

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did you take the belt speed on pure nodes into acount?

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153 seems a bit more than it should be

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havent done the math to check tho

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:53 PM

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im creaation the compacted coal off site and trasporting it in

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300/m 600/m 780/m

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or would it be easier to train the sulfur and coal in at the north oil field where im making my turbo fuel and craft it all here ?

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:55 PM

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yes just checked it does make 153.6

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either works

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I used a belted-sulfur system and a remote compact coal factory with 117 assemblers

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then train it to tf gen area

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:56 PM

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i plan on having 777 fuel generators

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:56 PM

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are you diluting?

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:57 PM

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yes

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i have all the alt recipes needed

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im using ImKibitz recipe/yt video

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I didnt dilute and went with 630 gens (could have went with 650-ish but decided to overproduce TF instead of using it all)

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the real bottleneck isnt crude oil but rather sulfur

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so didnt bother diluting

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harder to make an ocd-setup with diluting

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quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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ya i need to grab all the desert area one and still will have a 300 line of oil not being used

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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📎 Screenshot20200616-05110400000.png

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used 9x300m3 pipes from just north shore

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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nice

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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adds up to 9.5x 300m3 pipe worth crude oil if maxed

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didnt bother tapping the 0.5

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if you need help sorting/balancing the train station > sulfur/coal > assembler lineup I could help

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but gotta specify what exactly you need

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and have or planned to have

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:00 PM

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im uploading my map to take screenshots

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:00 PM

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k

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thats a long a.s.s upload @quartz wedge hehe

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how big is your save file

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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it failed the first time

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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yikes

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try not to alt tab while map loads

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:08 PM

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the north line of refineries are the 28 turbo fuel maker

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split in 2

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on the left is my old fuel generation plant

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:11 PM

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pink are train stations right?

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@quartz wedge

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:11 PM

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yes

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:11 PM

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so what exactly do you need

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:12 PM

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3 going east 3 going west alternating

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the 3 blue lines are the train depot outputs for my compacted coal i have that 9x15 empty area to balance out the comapacted coal 3/28

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warm wren Jun 21, 2020, 7:31 PM

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thinking_helmet The smart arrays are working

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swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:32 PM

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@quartz wedge u said you have mk5 belts right?

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:33 PM

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@swift ice yup

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I would just 1:9 x3 and overflow the main line on each and merge those 3 overflow lanes into 1

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3:28 that way

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easy to work with 1:3 or 1:9 setups since splitters can go 3 fold

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:34 PM

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thank you

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:34 PM

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use the overflow first and then split into 3 then split those 3 lines into 3's

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or just overflow, then manifold and yeet hehe

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overflow > manifold with 9 stops X3

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merge the overflow lanes into 1 at the end

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you have enough room to do both easly

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@quartz wedge

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also I would just make all stations face 1 side since both resources are going to be input in same machines

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:39 PM

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i was planning on copying my turbo fuel line on each side and stacking it 3 levels

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so 1 compacted coal factory will supply 56 turbo fuel refineries

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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its easier to just do a 153 assembler setup next to each other, use a manifold that runs inbetween the lines of assemblers, collection lines which goes into train stations/buffers/elsewhere

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can show you how I did it with my 117 assemblers

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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sure

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i like to take as many ideas as possible and morph them for me

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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can also show in-game but gona take time to get there with train... dont have hypertube launcher in that direction

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if u arent using mods that is

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i am using mods

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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crap... cant show in-game then... but I can share screens

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 PM

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its all good i get the idea from that pic

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I meant to show you the belt-merger-splitter setup I did

quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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ah ok

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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ill go take a picture for you

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waiting on my "illegal human trafficking" train to arrive

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hehe

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@quartz wedge its gona be hard to show in a screenshot but here it goes

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quartz wedge Jun 21, 2020, 7:54 PM

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nice setup

swift ice Jun 21, 2020, 7:55 PM

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ty

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bottom belt carries compacted coal

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top 2 belts brings stuff

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x9 (went with 9 setup for all parts for easier distribution and management)

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13 assemblers x9 lanes

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feeding 9 stations

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which ends up feeding 9x identical setups of (I believe it was 12) TF refinery systems

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9x 300m3 crude pipes

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and son on

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not diluting obviously hehe

feral tiger Jun 21, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Anyone have something to explain the math of satisfactory? I’m new and don’t understand this part of the game. Normally I’ll slap down some crap and give it power and call it perfect

fallow tulip Jun 21, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@feral tiger Check out the pinned messages here for the production calculators

feral tiger Jun 21, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Alr but what are they exactly??

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 8:31 PM

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they are... calculators? 🙂

feral tiger Jun 21, 2020, 8:32 PM

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What do they calculate?

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The time it will take to do something or what’s most efficient or make something perfectly timed or what??

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What situation would u use them in?

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Are they viable? As in would you practically use them in a late game resource scenario?

wind spade Jun 21, 2020, 8:36 PM

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depends from site to site. For example mine calculates the best way to make a certain resource, including how to make it, number of machines, etc. Also allows you to maximize production based on your raw resources.

fresh elm Jun 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I have found diff calcs useful for certain types of things

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and like greeny said, sometimes you are just looking at something and wondering what you can make with it

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"How many HMF can I make from this much coal?"

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especially endgame, when you are resource starved in a few different materials

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(if you build big)

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I tried to make a Manifold, did I do it right?

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indigo vigil Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 PM

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You got it

spring snow Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 PM

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I'm trying to think of whether or not I have my numbers right. It seems like a pure resource node works best with 3 smelters attached to it, but I'm trying to think if I can make it more efficient.

feral canopy Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 PM

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Noice

round zinc Jun 21, 2020, 11:59 PM

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depends what kind of node and what kind of recipe

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and which kind of miner, too

coral thorn Jun 21, 2020, 11:59 PM

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for like iron/copper, a pure node with mk1 drills is 120 ore/min

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which is 4 furnaces

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mk2 miner doubles that to 8

round zinc Jun 22, 2020, 12:00 AM

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if your'e using smelters with the default recipe, sure

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:00 AM

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caterium is different

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and for foundry stuff you gotta go case by case

round zinc Jun 22, 2020, 12:01 AM

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later on you'll have access to foundry or refinery recipes that shake things up a little

spring snow Jun 22, 2020, 12:09 AM

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@coral thorn Thanks. I've been doing 3 on a mk1 miner with a mk1 splitter. Good to know I can squeeze a bit more out of it.

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 12:13 AM

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@feral canopy looks good, but if all the buildings are the same speed, you can just connect them 1:1 🙂

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:14 AM

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What do you mean same speed?

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:14 AM

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stuff like furnaces to iron plates

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each furnace makes 30 ingots / min, each plate constructor needs 30 / min

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Oh, Cuz 30 30

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:15 AM

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instead of recombining and splitting, just have it go straight in

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:15 AM

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It's a mix of rods and plates

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:16 AM

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yeah, that's not gonna be 1-1 anymore so merging would be easier

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Aight, cool

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Is the size of manifolds limited by the output of the miner?

round zinc Jun 22, 2020, 12:20 AM

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you shouldn't build a manifold in a situation where you have way less input than the various machines can use

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Understood, cheers

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Anyone able to tell me if I've got this setup right for a Rotor manifold?

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coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:31 AM

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rotors are weird because they need 100 screws / min which is a weird 5 to 2 ratio with the constructors

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frankly just cuz I'm a neat freak, I actually build it as a 6 to 2 with 2 constructors on 50% so it's symmetrical

upbeat tide Jun 22, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Eeh clipped belts....OCD

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I'm just trying to make it work 😄 One thing at a time

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So 'somewhere' in this I need over 100 screws right?

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:33 AM

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if you want 2 assemblers for rotors

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you need 200 screws / min and 40 rod / min

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Oh I've screwed this then

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This game's hard

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:33 AM

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that's 5 constructors of screws

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and the rods to screw ratio is 2:3 when making your screws

indigo vigil Jun 22, 2020, 12:35 AM

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For the screws, make 5 constructors. Merge the 2 on the sides with each other (so each side has 80/min), and then take the middle one and split it to the others. This leads to 2 belts each with 100 screws on it.

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Not sure my brain is big enough for this game

spring snow Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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You get used to it. It's a learning curve.

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No need to start with anything crazy. Just kinda mess around to it. Ask a few questions, try new stuff.

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Ohhh I'm asking questions 😄

indigo vigil Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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If you're aiming for 100% efficiency, big brain and patience helps, but it's not necessary if you just want to have a big factory making everything.

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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also remember there's nothing stopping you from just slapping it together and eyeballing the setup and fix it as you go

spring snow Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I relate it to a model train set. Sure, there are guys who know everything about everything, but they learned all that by getting their first set and playing around with it.

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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doing the math ahead of time and making everything perfect isn't a requirement if you don't want to

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Would this work as a manifold?

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spring snow Jun 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Also put on some music with Spotify. When you're frustrated, Satisfactory's one-song OST can drive you mad.

indigo vigil Jun 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Keep all 90 rods on a single belt and it works. The 50 rods/min you need for the screws will be taken as needed, while the remaining 40 will continue along the manifold and into the assemblers.

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If you try to split it like in the diagram, you'd get 2 belts with 45 rods/min, which would harm screw production.

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:41 AM

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I'll give that a whirl then

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 12:42 AM

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@indigo vigil nope. It would balance itself automatically

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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if your input has a path to everywhere, stuff will backlog and eventually even out

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if your belts are fast enough

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all that matters is that you feed in the amount that it needs in total

indigo vigil Jun 22, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Well, I suppose eventually it would, huh? but at a rate of 5 extra rods/min, 100 rods in each constructor, 5 constructors, we're looking at 1 hour and 40 minutes to fill

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:44 AM

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as long as the 90 rods go in and are always moving, it's fine

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don't matter how you split it or distribute

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if it's always flowing, it's working

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I think it's way less than that

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1h40m is assuming that the assmeblers produce nonstop, but they don't, because they're short on screws, so it backlogs faster

glacial hemlock Jun 22, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Or you can purposely jam the final output to allow all the machines to be filled up quicker

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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or prefill them and not worry about anything

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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yeah, I never even bother worrying about startup times or anything, bc it usually doesn't matter that much

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once the system's built, it'll eventually just start working and you can be working on other stuff while that gets going anyway

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if you really need your thing to start producing at full efficiency right this second, an even split works fine, but at least how I play that is basically never

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Can someone do a manifold check?

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coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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the actual manifold of splitters / mergers will always be fine if your belts are fast enough to hold everything, the actual thing that's important to your build's efficiency is if you have enough of each ingredient

feral canopy Jun 22, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I think I do

coral thorn Jun 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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as long as you got enough screws / rods in the whole system and they have a path to reach everything, you're good

winter ingot Jun 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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How would I spit one line into five equal lines?

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Hmm, I could split into two, then split into 3, which would give me 0.1666- of the original amount... Which is close to 0.2, so start up the conveyors before the assemblers and with the storage system acting as a buffer it should work.

silver ridge Jun 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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so any magic out there to split 520 screw into 5X100 screw ? 🤔

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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manifold

junior lion Jun 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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split into 6 @winter ingot then feedback one of the 6 back into before the 5 lines

winter ingot Jun 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Split it evenly and have an extra 4 screws per line

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So split into two, split into three, then feed one of the lines back into before the splits?

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Thx

junior lion Jun 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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yeah

silver ridge Jun 22, 2020, 1:05 AM

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oh and i only have mk3 so 270/min

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 1:09 AM

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@silver ridge

|           |
S--S--M--S--S
|  |  |  |  |
X  X  X  X  X

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assuming your 520 screws are on two belts

silver ridge Jun 22, 2020, 1:10 AM

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yeah they are from 2 constructor

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 1:10 AM

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so yeah, like that

silver ridge Jun 22, 2020, 1:10 AM

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wow thats live saving

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thanks 🙂

fierce ruin Jun 22, 2020, 1:26 AM

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would love to have help figuring how to manafold correctly with my shitty save file. >.> i'm gonna quickly do a post in #looking-for-group-old but i dunno what to do.

proud sleet Jun 22, 2020, 6:16 AM

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when using convergers, is the output belt saturated only if all three input entrances are used?

I'm seeing backed up input lines when doing 2x mk1 belts with 30 items/minute each into a converger, onto a single mk1 output belt.

I'm expecting 30+30 saturating the output belt at 60.

Is this purely a visual inconsistency thing, or should I be using all three input slots to avoid getting bottlenecked by the converger?

dull bolt Jun 22, 2020, 6:19 AM

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2 belts merged into 1 belt should work. It's possible the output was backed up, making it yield more items due to internal storages.

elder frost Jun 22, 2020, 6:42 AM

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@fierce ruin if you are around i can take a look

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@proud sleet i would 100% suspect oversaturation due to preload on storages.

wise mango Jun 22, 2020, 7:00 AM

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@proud sleet also to answer your question directly, you do not need to use every input. One input can saturate the output of a merger assuming the belts can handle it

swift ice Jun 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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would love to have help figuring how to manafold correctly with my shitty save file. >.> i'm gonna quickly do a post in #looking-for-group-old but i dunno what to do.
@fierce ruin still looking for help?

fierce ruin Jun 22, 2020, 8:13 AM

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@swift ice @elder frost yeah i could use the help, just dm me.

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mind you, some of the stuff i've done, was part of help with a few others

fierce ruin Jun 22, 2020, 9:35 AM

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What is 2 + 2?

versed verge Jun 22, 2020, 9:49 AM

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What is 2 + 2?
@fierce ruin 22

glacial hemlock Jun 22, 2020, 10:05 AM

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22 indeed

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in case you don't know yet, pressing 'N' in game opens up a search menu. Just type your math equation in the search bar, it will act as a calculator

fierce ruin Jun 22, 2020, 11:37 AM

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if i have 2,402 do i have to divide it by 8 times 4 to get to the total?

glacial hemlock Jun 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Just type 2402 / 8 * 4. Surprise.

fierce ruin Jun 22, 2020, 11:39 AM

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thnx

dull bolt Jun 22, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Why type when you can copy paste.

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Or it's not possible in game calc?

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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hello

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whats the best way for maximi screw with mk.2 ? plz hehe

dim thicket Jun 22, 2020, 5:40 PM

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What?

upbeat tide Jun 22, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Gotta be more specific. What are you using screws for?

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:41 PM

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sorry i'm french xD

upbeat tide Jun 22, 2020, 5:42 PM

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No worry

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:42 PM

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i mean, how can i maximized the production of screw

twin vapor Jun 22, 2020, 5:43 PM

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How much iron does your mk2 output?

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:43 PM

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120

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its an mk2

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 5:45 PM

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you can put 3 constructors on the 120 line to produce 120 screws a min with 40 screws made by each constructor

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:47 PM

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mmmh coz i divise by 4 the line for 4 foundrie (u know wat i mean ? xD) + 2 construtor for each constructor + 3 constructor for each xD

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it work

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but somtime left line have iron during 1 or 2 seconde

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and that, stop the production 😩

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if u have a tips or management for the production dont stop

jaunty plover Jun 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Tu peux essayer en français, je peux essayer d'aider
I'll try to help in french

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 5:49 PM

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oh okey

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Alors le fer arrive et ce divise en 4 pour 4 fonderie, chaque fonderie possèdent 2 constructeur pour des "rods" et chaque constructeur de "rods" possèdent 3 constructeur pour des "screws"
le problème est au niveau des fonderie, le flux arrive de droite et la fonderie tout a gauche est parfois vide alors que celui de droite est bien remplie

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good ? hehe thanks if u dont understand something tell me

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 5:52 PM

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english guys

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if you need french, take it to DMs

jaunty plover Jun 22, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I will translate for tout my friend

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:01 PM

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okey thanks hihi

jaunty plover Jun 22, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Soooo

Iron is coming and is divided in 4 smelters (on MK2 i guess). Each smelters go in 2 constructors to make rods. And each constructors go into 3 others constructors to make screws.
The Iron Come from the right part if thé factroy, and sometimes the oeft part is empty when the right part is full.

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:03 PM

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yea! xD

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thanks for the translate haha

jaunty plover Jun 22, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Mk1 conveyor still there around if the left part.

Il reste un tapis mk1 qqpart sur la partie gauche ? Sinon je vois pas pas trop la dsl.

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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mmh wat do u mean ?
maybe my problem is how when i distributed the iron for smelters ? hmmmm

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let me draw a schema xD

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left side sometime is empty, also right and front is everytime good

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:12 PM

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make 1 splitter before ur 2 splitters mate

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split the iron 50/50 into 2 splitters that both handle a smelter

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no before the two splitters

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so the splitter feeds into the two splitters

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:13 PM

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draw schema ? i'll understand

dark badge Jun 22, 2020, 6:13 PM

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!FicsitHR ban @trail meadow posting nsfw

meager kilnBOT Jun 22, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Banned spets 👳🏿♂#9807 (303500854605119489) (Indefinitely)

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:14 PM

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x)

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Lmao omg I love that display pic

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:16 PM

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if you connect 2 smelters to 1 splitter

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and u have 4 smelters so 2 splitters and u connect those 2 splitters with one splitter then it balances out

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:17 PM

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1-2-4 splitting

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:17 PM

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ooooooooooooooooh okeyyyyyyy

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Realistically though, what @south linden showed is a manifold. The person they're helping just needs to give it time to fill

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:18 PM

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i'll try this tonight after my job thanks

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yeaaa the left side dont have time to fill x) so the smelter passed off before turning on again and turning off again ect xD

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yeah if your calculations are correct the last one will fill aswell it will take a bit of time though but then it becomes 100% efficient aswell when the first 3 are full

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:19 PM

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but i'll try the solution of @lunar pawn

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yayy

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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and maybe there is a mk1 belt in there @south linden check that if it isnt capped somewhere at 60 resources a min

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I just wanted to clarify, are your belts capable of 120/min?

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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thanks all! i fckng love this game for real xD
yepp 120/min

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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he has mk2 belts

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:20 PM

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on a pure iron

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:21 PM

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So I brought this up before, but it got missed in chat (days ago). When upgrading belts, the belt inside of the splitter doesn't get upgraded all the time

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:21 PM

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sometimes it upgrades the full belt sometimes only a part and small pieces can be lower belt

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:21 PM

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If I place a belt and then place the splitter on that, the belt doesn't get upgraded. But if I connect the belt to a splitter on the ground, it works.

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So even though it's mk2 belts now, the belt inside the splitter might be mk1?

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:22 PM

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i wish they made splitters and mergers that snap onto a building l

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like a seperate one that is far enough so u can still attach from all sides

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Like conveyer lifts extend the tube to connect to containers.

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:25 PM

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why cant conveyer lifts not end and start in splitters and mergers since the tops arent used and then the resources get send straight from a splitter into a merger with a lift if they are above eachother

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so u can build more compact and nicer imo

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:25 PM

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i dont understand wat u talking about guys x)

frail swift Jun 22, 2020, 6:26 PM

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We're not talking about your problem anymore @south linden lol

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:27 PM

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ohokey xD

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:27 PM

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but nenoo how u have it now also works just needs a bit of time to warm up and fill the machines then it will give more iron to the last constructor

south linden Jun 22, 2020, 6:27 PM

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okeyyy thanks 😄

silver raft Jun 22, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Is there any reason to do 3 water extractors vs 1 150% and 1 100% per pipe? Just to save the power slug?

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 6:46 PM

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yeah, overclocking costs power

lunar pawn Jun 22, 2020, 6:46 PM

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there are loads of power slugs but if you needs less water extrators or have a small lake only its usable otherwise its the best with 3 on 100water a min

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I think overclocking something to 250% uses more than 250% power

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like, it's more power-efficient to have 3 water extractors on 1 pipe as opposed to 1

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but who cares, power is unlimited. space is not

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:40 PM

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its realistic too

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overclocking takes exponentially more power

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:40 PM

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haha, tell that to actual CPU overclocking

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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it does

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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which makes it take a tiny bit more power than usual

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it's not double, or even close to 150%

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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and a shit ton of heat

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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overclocking in this game has a high power cost, astronomically unrealistically high

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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lost energy

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:41 PM

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but it's good for game balance

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:42 PM

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at a certain point thats what will happen

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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not even a 100% increase in wattage

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:43 PM

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especially if you go 250% clk

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thats a 1/4 increase

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but just on a side node thats actually realistic

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:44 PM

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there are also CPUs that are meant to be overclocked with much prettier graphs than that one

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:44 PM

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to an extent

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if you go higher you will get exponential, is how physics works

hardy skiff Jun 22, 2020, 7:45 PM

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computers are low-power machines speaking generally anyways. less power to play Satisfactory than it is to run a fish tank light bulb

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i say we do away with cooling our CPUs and just engineer them to run when molten

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infinite power, infinite heat, infinite framerate

barren barn Jun 22, 2020, 7:49 PM

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infinite fire hazards, infinite death

wind spade Jun 22, 2020, 7:49 PM

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@hardy skiff power is more limited than space