60, 120, 270 ??? 480, 720
#math-and-meta
fierce ruin
270 is logical
fierce ruin
270 is perfect for division of foundries and smelters
2 foundries take 90 3 smelters take 90
safe hawk
I mean that would be cool for non load balancer setups but eh
lone orchid
I just want automation 😛
lone orchid
true 🙂
I like having things in motion rather than stuck I guess, but meh, not that important tbh
safe hawk
But muh efficiency
fierce ruin
Because yes it was split unevenly at first. And the closest machines to the source will get the most st first but as the closest machines get backed up materials on the belt it redistributes to further machines
stiff jungle
how many refineries(not overclocked) will a maxed oil extractor will keep running? anyone do that math yet?
fierce ruin
PSA: manifold splitting is always less efficient than chain splitting, and especially so if your production chain stops occassionally
the only benefit of it is that it looks better and causes less headaches
stiff jungle
Manifold splitting? Like a tree?
safe hawk
Isn't that load balancing tho?
fierce ruin
no, that's chain splitting - a splitter, then another one, etc, then - machines
manifold is like a line
stiff jungle
okay
fierce ruin
every splitter splits to a machine and to the rest of the line
safe hawk
Fair enough but once it ramps up isn't it just as good?
fierce ruin
yep
stiff jungle
thanks for the info guys, I'm about to do a serious overhaul to my base now that I got a reactor going 24/7. My rubber and pastic lines are almost always dry so it was time for an upgrade
safe hawk
Was confused there bcs chain spliting just sounds like manifold but with a different name
fierce ruin
yeah, basically splitting 1 into 4 with chain splitting does 1/4 to each output, while manifold splits 1/2 then 1/4, then 1/8, then another 1/8, but eventually machines will clog and the system will be splitting 1/4 due to clogs
cedar basin
whats the fuel rod consumption per minute of a nuclear power plant?
wispy patrol
0,2 Nuclear Fuel Rods per Power Plant at MAximum consumption
wind spade
@fierce ruin sorry, but you're wrong. Manifold systems run at the same efficiency as balancers
cedar basin
at max overclocking?
wispy patrol
@glacial hemlock Especially when you want to build big... I have a Setup for nearly 100 Heavy Modular frames per Minute... if i had to build it with balancers i would have lose my mind... Manifold safes your sanity....
Thx @safe hawk, youre right - i meant when you consume 100% of the Power you prduce you need 0,2 Nuclear Fuel Rods per Minute for 1 Nuclear Power Plant
fierce ruin
@wind spade manifold systems run at the same efficiency when full, which equates to losing efficiency to fill items buffer, whereas chain systems simply don't need that items buffer
wind spade
you don't care about building efficiency before it starts getting full input anyway 🤷♂️
all you care about is that the system runs at 100% of what it can do
fierce ruin
so while the difference is negligible in a system that runs for many hours, because startup happens only once, it still exists
wind spade
it's easily negated by the fact that manifold is easier to expand, can run with different machine speeds (which you have more than often), is usually smaller, etc
glacial hemlock
@fierce ruin the time spent for building the balancer can be used to build more manifold and more machines
and in return, higher production rate can be achieved within the same gameplay time.
fierce ruin
well no, I'm not going into the whole speedrunning the game argument
wind spade
it's not speedrunning
fierce ruin
maximizing production within given time is nearly that (since it's needed to get through the game)
drowsy orchid
question what is the difference between manifolds and balancers?
wind spade
how would you build a balancer that splits between 4 machines @ 100% and 1 machine @ 47%?
fierce ruin
however, one thing that I personally don't like all too much - is machines with input buffer filled to max stack, even though in theory it's not needed
wind spade
fierce ruin
@wind spade well, you won't - chain splitting has its limits indeed
fierce ruin
dunno, call it a "tree" splitting
wind spade
it's called "balancer" 😉
fierce ruin
everything is a "balancer", manifold or a tree, or other setups
drowsy orchid
thank you @wind spade
wind spade
sure, but it's the term that the community uses and understands, so you should stick to it 😉
fierce ruin
well, in that case it's a very poorly used term - all the splitter configurations exist exactly to do load balancing, so calling a particular setup a "balancer" is quite wrong
glacial hemlock
when referring 'balancer', we means perfect balancer. No one want to spend the time and effort to build a balancer and yet not perfectly balanced.
safe hawk
There isn't actually a problem with systems that dont run all the time with manifolds
wind spade
you also call Greenland and Iceland their respective names even though the logical thing would be to switch that, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to call them by names they have been using since forever
glacial hemlock
manifold obviously is not a perfect balancer
safe hawk
If they get backed up while idle, when they start they get 100% efficiency again
I doubt theres anything in this game that can use up items so fast it messes with backlogs
fierce ruin
ideally, your machnices are never idle 🙂
fierce ruin
and they're producing either for next assembly line or into stock or into sink
wind spade
nobody yet reached this, since you can't make a machine work in the exact millisecond when you put it down
fierce ruin
okay, so "never idle since first started".
wind spade
also pretty much impossible
glacial hemlock
no, should have said 'running continuously' once the entire system is stabilized
wind spade
recipes don't always have good ratios
glacial hemlock
provided you underclock certain machines according to the calculator's result
fierce ruin
yes, and all the leftovers can be either stored or sinked
glacial hemlock
error that arises from the tick rate?
safe hawk
Nah weird ratios
fierce ruin
yeah, I noticed weird things with rotors too
glacial hemlock
rotors have good ratio imo, they can be built in module with 2:5
fierce ruin
despite being theoretically a 100% setup, there's small hiccups
glacial hemlock
2 rotor assemblers: 5 screw constructors
glacial hemlock
and you know the 'efficiency' display in the game is bugged, once it dip below certain %, it will never reset unless you reload your save
safe hawk
Yeah i know
wind spade
depends which recipe 😉 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/items/rotor
safe hawk
Oh yeah then it wasn't that
I guess everything can have good rations if you go high enough so it multipies by a good amount
glacial hemlock
most alternate recipe screws up the integer ratio of buildings (no pun)
fierce ruin
some alts just need a lot of scaling
safe hawk
I was planning to use steel rotors now that i have it
fierce ruin
e.g. cast screws with their 12.5 consumtion
fierce ruin
with big enough multipliers you can balance it all
e.g 12 constructors will take 150 ingots for 600 screws using that
wind spade
well still manifolds > balancers 😉
glacial hemlock
that is when Mk.5 belts become handy
safe hawk
Oh yeah ill still use manifolds over balancers any day
fierce ruin
I still won't when I can split it perfectly 😉
safe hawk
Unless the situation is better suited for balancer
fierce ruin
but in other cases it's pretty unavoidable
safe hawk
I like space efficient stuff
wind spade
you make it sound like it's a bad thing
how do you expand your balancers? do you rebuild them everytime you add a few new machines?
fierce ruin
yep
safe hawk
Space isn't an issue but nothing would if i just do things all over the place
safe hawk
Gotta make stuff look compact
fierce ruin
building and rebuilding is kinda the most of the game
safe hawk
Or brain tells me to fix it later
fierce ruin
when you consider rebuilding "wasted hours" - it raises the question, why even play at all?
wind spade
idk, I feel like people are overreacting with all the "rebuild my whole factory" stuff
fierce ruin
granted, I wouldn't say "no" to some helpful mass-action tooling
but that will likely come, if not from devs then from modders
wind spade
well there already is some
safe hawk
Hasn't it already come
wind spade
both from devs and from modders
safe hawk
In the form of area actions
fierce ruin
yeah, there's area mod, but it has plenty of quirks
safe hawk
Idk why youd say no to mass building features
wind spade
because I like the feel of building everything by hand
fierce ruin
^
safe hawk
Since and i said this earlier too youll do it by hand anyway
Oh you yourself would say no
wind spade
same as in minecraft, it's makes stuff more impressive if you know that the person put every block down
fierce ruin
the one thing I dislike about Factorio - when people in MP just unpack their huge blueprint books and start plopping stuff that they probably won't even designed themselves
kinda kills the main game point
wind spade
I only use my own BPs
safe hawk
I did do that in factorio but only for balancers
Cuz fuck trying to design that myself
wind spade
with exception of balancer book
safe hawk
Other stuff i dont see the need
Well maybe the solar array with perfect rations
But i think i did use one of my own creation for a while
wise mango
@leaden belfry a quick rule of thumb for basic fuel->power is this
If you have a 300m3/oil line coming in, you should have 5 refiners making fuel. They will make 200m3/fuel which can be used to feed 13.3 generators at max load
The direct answer to your question is if you only have 4 refiners making fuel for some reason (can't overclock extractor, or impure node?) you could power 10.6 generators
opaque canyon
is 1 belt = 1 meter?
summer field
Depends how long you make the belt.
opaque canyon
if you use lets say 1 steel beam(for mk3)
summer field
Not quite sure, perhaps? I know that foundations are 8 meters in length and depth, and whatever height you choose.
opaque canyon
Oh, good idea, i can measure it that way, thanks!
summer field
Build a belt from the edge of a foundation to the opposite edge, if it uses 8 steel beams, then it would suggest that it's 1 [item] per belt meter. Not counting supports.
peak fractal
I think the last time I looked into this it was one steel for every 2 meters of belt
well, 1 item per 2 meters
summer field
build 1 meter get 1 meter free!
peak fractal
depending on the belt type; I measured this because the maximum belt length uses 25 items and extends just a bit over 6 foundations, which would be a bit over 48 m
obsidian trench
I kinda wished that they would add a "Consumption Rate" for all the consumed items here as well. You always have to do the maths yourself (Production Rate / Amount of Items produced * Amount of Items Consumed)
indigo vigil
Doesn't it show that when you mouse over the ingot?
obsidian trench
No it shows you the crafting recipe for Iron Ingots :P
indigo vigil
Yeah, just checked. Seems I was wrong.
obsidian trench
Whats a good Plate/Rod/Screw ratio?
round zinc
Helper, for what kind of factory?
You will need a pretty good supply of plates for casual construction - you'll never stop using mk1 belts for some applications and you'll need a bunch for wall construction if you build factory buildings. Rods are mostly used for belt posts and power poles. You won't consume many screws except in manufacturing things.
all that said, it's a good idea to have at least one constructor filling a container with each of those three all the time, so that when you need more plates, you can go back and have a few thousand ready to go, rather than have to wait on them to be built.
obsidian trench
Im relatively at the Start of the game still. Just want some casual constructions stuff. Nothing specific. And I honestly only use Mk3 Belts for pretty much everything. I havent built anything else since Ive got Steel Beams automated.
glacial hemlock
@obsidian trench the consumption rate is displayed when you open the Constructor crafting the iron plates
obsidian trench
I know, but it would help if you dont have to select the recipe in a constructor/assembler, for planning
shadow prairieBOT
You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @glacial hemlock
obsidian trench
Ehh too lazy :P
glacial hemlock
if you played long enough, you will have more or less those figures stuck in your head. Else, just let the calculator do all the job.
obsidian trench
I doubt that you have the consumption rates for all common recipes in your head :P
glacial hemlock
I can only memorize until concrete and cables 😅
fresh elm
I remember a lot of them.
but not all
AND they all changed in update 3 anyway
so a lot of the values that I think of by deafult I double check anyway nowadays
wind spade
and you can always check online 😉
mellow dew
Why is it that constructors are just a tiny bit wider than 8 meters T_T
glacial hemlock
constructors are 8x9, in U1 they were 9x10
safe hawk
Can the satisfactory calculator make a power prodution chain?
I wanna see how many gens i can supply with a full oil pipe and diluted fuel
exotic swallow
just divide 300m3 (1 full pipe) by generator usage rate of 15m3. So will be 20 generators
round zinc
Uh. Can you make diluted fuel that way?
you pretty much have to go oil > heavy > diluted > fuel, right?
round zinc
no turbofuel though, right?
exotic swallow
ok you can get 800m3 of diluted fuel from 300m3 of crude oil
safe hawk
Sadly i don't think i got it yet
exotic swallow
so 53.3333333 gens
safe hawk
Also just to be sure, was the recipe that produces heavy available from the start or is it an alternate?
exotic swallow
an alt
exotic swallow
plus diluted alt as well
safe hawk
I know i have that one
exotic swallow
collect more hard drives 🙂
round zinc
so you go 300m3 oil in > 400m3 heavy oil, which you need 14 refineries to turn into 800 packaged/min, unpackage that to 800 fuel/min in another 14 refineries
exotic swallow
except that one lol
safe hawk
Yeah exept that one
round zinc
At the scale you're talking about, going to turbofuel will drastically increase your output
safe hawk
I know
Not sure if i have the recipe
I have the infrastructure necessary to run it if need be
round zinc
there's two - one that is heavy oil to turbofuel, one that's fuel to turbofuel
exotic swallow
second one is better
round zinc
the former is less of a multiplier but easier to set up since there's no diluted step. The latter gives you nuclear-power levels of energy
exotic swallow
yeh 22.2GW
but you use 3.6GW in production of the turbo fuel
and 120 refineries
round zinc
so it's like... setting up a diluted fuel factory and NOT going turbo means you're doing 90% of the work, but only getting 8 GW for your trouble
that's still a lotta juice
safe hawk
I need any kind of power boost since ill be moving on to bigger projects but i only have 16 coal gens atm
exotic swallow
i had about 100 coal gens before moving to turbo fuel
safe hawk
Ill probably have to go set up a temporary coal gen array
So i have enough power to start the gens
exotic swallow
yeh i keep the coal gens as a backup power supply
late leaf
for 24 coal generators, how many pipe systems and water pumps should i have?
river night
9 pumps
cyan berry
3 pumps per 8 coal - so 9
river night
and you need to carry 1080m³ of water in total, so thats overall at least 4 pipes, but depending on how close your gens are to the water you might arrange that differently
stable bridge
for coal plants, I usually just make 240 pipes and balance to 270 which feds 6 gens fine
The 3 pumps to 8 gens works well for a closed loop but I find it becomes kinda annoying well scaled
But yeah, the deciding factor is really how close the gens are to the pumps
modern python
my design for a super compact 3 to 5 belt splitter https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/722731499488542740
wind spade
manifold
wind spade
Pre-fill the manifold and you have fast startup 😛
wind spade
https://www.satisfactorytools.com . Official release tonight
stable bridge
Nice
round zinc
One suggestion - might wanna add a column in "Usages for Schematics" that says where that schematic is (like "MAM - Caterium" or "Tier 4 Milestone" or something?)
worthy siren
Thanks, greeny
wind spade
@round zinc good idea. I'll see what I can do
torn jacinth
Hello. I am a newb around here and I got a question. I have been checking calculators here but all of them are: "define the results and we will show you the requirements". However I want to "define the inputs and play with what results I can get with those inputs". Are there such a calculator?
stable bridge
Haha
glacial hemlock
Wow, that is going to be a big hits, once released i will put that into wiki
cedar basin
greeny, will that replace your "old"calculator?
wind spade
Yeah. There will be notice that it's no longer updated and a link to the new one
I'll leave the old one running tho, at least while I'm moving tools to the new one
wind spade
Well the map is not random, so it's not luck 😛
summer field
Greeny shall henceforth be known as captain buzzkill.
modern python
lol
wind spade
Ok
glacial hemlock
buzzkill's calculator? hmm
safe hawk
So if im correct it would be better for me to run just diluted fuel straight into gens instead of using the heavy oil turbo fuel
Since i don't have the fuel into turbo yet
willow minnow
Hey gang, I have a question. I'm getting my oil going and my plan was basically to make Rubber and Plastic using regular recipes, then turn the Heavy Oil Residue into Fuel to power Fuel Generators. I've run into the problem of the Fuel Generators not running at full capacity clogging up the system, meaning that all the Residue isn't being used and capping my production of plastic and rubber. The solution I
I've come up with is to have two additional rows of Refineries to just pack and unpack the Residue so I can throw the overflow into an Awesome Sink, but is there another way?
It seems like if there was a way to automatically flush the Fluid Buffers that would solve it, but is there?
vale jungle
Once you have the recycled plastic/rubber alts, you can use fuel that way.
tepid shell
make petroleum coke into a SINK
indigo vigil
^ This. You can put a refinery or two at the end of the fuel-creating line so that any remaining HOR is turned into coke, and you can sink that to keep things moving.
vale jungle
Petroleum coke is the simplest way to sink excess HOR, true.
willow minnow
But I need the power. Should I just make an entirely separate system for power perhaps, and just throw the residue in the sink in this?
tepid shell
i did
willow minnow
It just feels so inefficient :p
tepid shell
So is NO power 😉
willow minnow
Am I allowed to post pictures?
indigo vigil
Never!!!
Of course.
willow minnow
vale jungle
Overflow is relatively easy to manage with fluids, as Suzaku described.
willow minnow
That's the current system I thought up, but those middle two rows of Refineries are just packing and unpacking and it feels stupid
vale jungle
Yeah, you made that way more complicated than it needed to be.
indigo vigil
What's all the packing and unpacking doing there?
Like, does it even do anything in this case?
willow minnow
It makes it so the system doesn't clog up with HOR. If it does, the first refineries stop producing rubber and plastic
vale jungle
Your 300 m3 HOR should run into a line of refineries producing fuel. At the end of that line, put a refinery that turns anything the previous refineries don't consume into petroleum coke, and sink it.
willow minnow
So any overflow of HOR is now thrown into the sink
Man, that's way easier
If I just pipe it out in a line, would that work @vale jungle? Or do I have to do some more advanced splitting up?
indigo vigil
Just make it a straight pipe. The earliest refineries in the line will consume all of the HOR as needed, and whatever remains flows into the last ones that are turning it into coke
vale jungle
Pipes and fluid are different than conveyors. Sometimes they're different in a way that makes things more complicated, but sometimes they're way, way simpler.
indigo vigil
But seriously, what is the packing and unpacking doing there? It really just looks like 25 refineries wasting power to me. I'm not crazy, right?
willow minnow
Well I can't throw liquids into the sink, so I thought I would pack and unpack the HOR and then throw the overflow into the sink
But obviously your' guys idea is much better :p
The system I have right now doesn't have those, and instead have me running around flushing Fluid Buffers
glacial hemlock
the packing of HOR is an inefficient way to sink excess HOR.
indigo vigil
Ah, for some reason, my eyes completely skipped right over the sink there in the middle consuming the packed HOR. 😄
vale jungle
I believe the idea was that anything the unpackers couldn't unpack was overflow, and got sinked.
willow minnow
Exactly
indigo vigil
Yeah, but then that starts eating through the plastic used to bottle it up. Yeah, sinking coke is the way to go.
I see it all now
vale jungle
It's a clever idea, but not the most efficient. But the more efficient thing to do just required knowledge you didn't have. Now you do 😄
clever heron
So when using oil, you would be getting the oil into refineries, pumping it out and then back into another refinery?
upbeat tide
@willow minnow put a overflow on the rubber
You never want it to stop
Also your gonna need enough petro coke refineries to consume 100% of the heavy oil made there.
Unless you use all the power made there, it will back up eventually.
clever heron
Do you want 10 refiners on that line aswell then? @upbeat tide
willow minnow
Yeah, thanks @upbeat tide. I guess I'll just keep filling in more Petro coke refineries as I go
upbeat tide
You dont need 10 more, petro coke uses alot of heavy oil
In the end its not advisable to mix plastic and rubber making with power production for that reason. Things get complicated 🙂
Yea its 7.5 refineries for petro coke at 300m3 heavy
vale jungle
Well, ultimately you either have to mix things, or waste/sink. Petrochemical processing is intended to be complicated.
upbeat tide
Thats why I like the diluted packaged fuel system soo much
You can use it to make fuel for power, and fuel for the recycled plastic or rubber alternates. Only byproduct is resin, and you use that for residual rubber.
And for my powerplant side I use resin for fabrics
You need all the alts tho for oil to make it work, only drawback
Heavy oil residue alt, diluted packaged fuel, recycled rubber, recycled plastic, turbofuel, and compacted coal.
willow minnow
I watched one of the youtubers, Kibbitz? Or something, make that super efficient plant that used 300 crude oil to power an insane amount of Fuel Generators
vale jungle
Yeah, the alts for oil fit together pretty neatly.
willow minnow
Using that packing and unpacking method
upbeat tide
Yup
upbeat tide
Rephrase that...someday present Viktor! Future Viktor has the answers!
willow minnow
Word :>
clever heron
Looked at that graph out of interest although all arrows are pointing upwards, is the oil from the previous line of refineries input to the next?
upbeat tide
Crude only interwcts with the rubber and plastic refineries
willow minnow
Yeah, the oil is technically not included in my flowchart
upbeat tide
And those arrows arent modeled
But its a 300m3 crude pipe for each of the 10 refinery blocks
clever heron
How come some refineries progressively outputs a higher amount of residue?
upbeat tide
It used to be the reverse. Plastic made more than rubber
But its always been that way in one form or another.
tired stump
Hey guys. I know it's not advised to overclock generators (and production beyond miners) but my friend and I have an excess of shards and can't help but fall into the "overclock everything" trap. I recently had to tear down and redesign all our coal generators because we kept having multiple issues with water balance and we we're transporting all our coal some distance. I moved all our energy production next to the coal now (crater lake). QUESTION IS: If I have 2 sets of 8 generators all max overclock, they require 91 cubic m/min. 3 water extractors overclocked to 242 for each 8 should work, yes?
upbeat tide
Doesnt work that way, pipe limits are finite.
91x8 = 728 which makes the 3 to 8 water system inefficient
Thats why you should not overclock power gens. The math gets from clean to less than clean.
tired stump
Yeah it is dirty math, but what about 1 to 2? 182m3 water extractors to 91m3 generators. I forgot about water pipe load. I know in the end it's most efficient to just build another 16 generators and 6 water extractors....
I'm currently using about 2000MW and trying to expand. Getting fuel soon...
upbeat tide
I would just build 16 more gens. Your power cost of overclocked water extractors is gonna offset the gains
tired stump
Is power use of water extractors exponential?
upbeat tide
Yup same as any other non power producing structure
oblique hollow
power of EVERYTHING
tired stump
Ah! Well F
oblique hollow
on the other hand: underclocking is also "exponential"
meaning it costs less than linearly expected
tired stump
But I like things to go zoom
upbeat tide
Yes it is. 50% UC for example results in about 70% ish power reduction
oblique hollow
zoom has it's price
tired stump
It's also hard to convince my friend to make things go slower
upbeat tide
You have to sometimes, balancing n such
oblique hollow
things still go zoom on conveyors when you got loads of machines
upbeat tide
Lol...thinks there is a end date.... 😄
lean shard
So I'm toying with use of overflow in a merger sorter logic as detailed here through the wonders of MS paint https://i.imgur.com/MIiqu2o.png
mergers with two different input materials can get stuck taking in and outputing that one material right?
set up a quick test, store of A and Store of b feeding a merger puts out a belt of A,B,A,B,A,B. Alls well
crystal terrace
What is the simplest way to optimize a basic production line of an impure iron miner, smelters and constructors?
crystal terrace
That's perfect, thank you!!
junior lion
@tired stump https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ihm9atl4sb
I made a graph for you, it compares clocking k many 200% powerplant vs n many 100% powerplants, with coal as the default
junior lion
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/etopnhcruw this is more correct with non integer n
pearl adder
anyone know the best locations to build a base?
left oak
@pearl adder I’d say reasonably close to pure nodes. They’ll be what you’ll want mid and late game due to tech capabilities.
I started in grasslands but have build my main base (after having a few satellite bases) up between rocky desert and red forest sort of area
pearl adder
ok
left oak
But @pearl adder o see lots of people liking the desert on the north east end of the map
dim pebble
if my math is correct, if you want to optimize for rotors, you can make 8 rotors per minute by using exactly 3 iron mines, 3 iron smelters, 6 constructors on iron rod production, 5 constructors on screw production, and 2 assemblers for making the actual rotors
wind spade
8 rotors per minute can be made from 7.11 coal, 2.84 iron, 9.24 copper and 20.27 water per minute, using the right alts
dim pebble
hmm, must be some alternate production scheme
fierce ruin
congrats on needing copper, water and coal to make rotors that normally only require iron?
wind spade
@fierce ruin way less resources tho
fierce ruin
well yes
I'm a fan of steel rotors
similar production increase but let's leave the copper at home.
fierce ruin
oil? what in tarnation
river night
being able to directly turn on/off resources or specify how much you have available is really useful, good job on the calculator 🙂
karmic trellis
Thanks for that @wind spade. Every day I learn that I am just scratching the surface of what this game has to offer. I knew Miner Mk. 2 was a thing, but realized what that really means today. I am doing a lot of tearing down and rebuilding as my technology advances. That's why they tell us on youtube to leave plenty of room for expansion.
maiden spire
omg i didn't realize it could get this complicated
wind spade
this is just a start, there's tons of other options
upbeat tide
Anyway I have a delima.
Or
Difference is do I use my rubber or not, or go the simpler way of just iron and deal with the loss
Likiting factor is 1200 raw quartz.
I can go either way tho.
Eeh door no. 2 wins. Decided on other things for my iron supply
dim pebble
yeah the second option, although more complex, is almost twice as fast. Note I haven't played the game much, I still only have only 1 assembler, haven't dealt with any of the advanced materials (anything beyond copper, iron and limestone) yet, so I don't know what all those materials do, but option 2 seems better.
upbeat tide
Anyway I need AI limiters and copper sheets for other projects, so gonna use up the normal caterium node and 2 normal copper nodes to their full extent.
clever heron
Out of my 360/m iron production, mid game, is a dedication of 90 iron /per minute towards steel production a good % share of the overall iron supply?
glacial hemlock
difficult to say. I suggest not to mix your iron ingot and steel ingot production.
at the end game, you should spend about 1/3 of your total iron ingot into steel
clever heron
@glacial hemlock Well I have 3 mk2 mines, iron supply was in reference to the amount of ore
glacial hemlock
which tier you are currently on?
glacial hemlock
get 8 to 11 iron miners should be good, based on normal purity
if you have impure, count that miner as 0.5
clever heron
Right
Well I don’t have much steel usecases currently, so 25% of it going into steel seems fine based on 33.3...% for endgame
wind spade
@terse wave #streams-and-videos
hollow mango
what are the pros and cons of fluid trains VS pipelines
glacial hemlock
Pipelines are more reliable than trains, but at large number of pipes and large head lift, trains are more power saving
hollow mango
more reliable howso?
glacial hemlock
Trains sometime will not work.
This happens when you have a sufficient large train network. I guess the Pathfinding and switch logic is not stable yet
hollow mango
as in they bug out?
glacial hemlock
Yeah, bug. Like if you save the game just 1 second before a train docks, then the train may miss the station next time you load the game
hollow mango
ahh thank you
mental dirge
So, I am planning on a turbo fuel power plant. If my calculations are correct, from 900m3 of oil and 960 compacted coal, I will produce around 32GWh
The thing is, it will also need around 210-240 fuel generators, which I guess is a lot of space.
How do OC on generators work?
misty turret
I suppose it works like normal OC (150% for 1 powercell...) no?
empty hemlock
@mental dirge OCing generators just ups the max capacity they can supply. they'll still linearly scale fuel consumption to your exact power need at the same fuel efficency
copper fiber
I've been working on a starter mall, any comments or ideas would be welcome
wind spade
alternate recipes 😉
copper fiber
this is early game, so most don't have good alternate recipes yet
safe hawk
You usually do get alternates for a few things by the time you get to steel
wind spade
you should get alternates before building anything big tho
even early game, hunt some nearby drives while the base is slowly making stuff
polar sleet
yeah it's best not to build anything permanent until you have all the (good) alts for it. also avoid building anything really big until you can sustain large power grids (oil and onward)
first big build really should be a large oil based power plant (using as many of the alts for it as possible, 5 of them i believe)
polar sleet
i suppose. personally if find my self upscaling to oil by then thus i only build coal generators as needed, switch to oil, and dump most of my coal into steel
granted turbo fuel can only go so far before it starts hogging oil.
glacial hemlock
I had fun click and drag around.
Turbo motor with 42 intermediate items involved.
wind spade
hehe
also in the latest version I'm working on, it has a bit better view
with colored nodes 😉
glacial hemlock
@wind spade the Recycled plastic and rubber is mutual dependent. But that also means the elements are overlapping.
glacial hemlock
i see! great!
hopes the option to ungroup the similar machines
also, the ability to display the in/out in each cell.
and the ability to enable / disable the label on the leading arrows.
wind spade
ungroup?
glacial hemlock
like iron ore feeding iron ingot and steel ingot, they can be grouped / ungroup in to 2 different cells
wind spade
I guess. But it's already a lot of nodes even if they are grouped 🤔
glacial hemlock
might be useful for certain modular setup, for example, I build Fused Quickwire separately for AI Limiter and Caterium Computer.
I have compared yours and daniel's calculator just now, they show exactly the same result, but yours are drag-able which is a clear win.
deft lichen
@wind spade suggestion: give looping recipes a looping arrow rather than this nod
wind spade
that's handled by the visualization library 😦
deft lichen
how it could look (stolen from Daniel's)
deft lichen
oh I see
wind spade
there's not much I can do about it right now
deft lichen
np, just a suggestion
glacial hemlock
this is the best solution I can to minimize the number of crossings. haha😆
this made me feel slightly relieved when looking at PUREX again https://i.imgur.com/uO1veIz.jpg, maybe not that hard...
deft lichen
all that to reprocess waste? 
deft lichen
can't you just sink the recycled uranium cells
idk I have to actually test mods one day
wind spade
it's nice of you two to play with the tool, but new release is coming soon 😛 then you can report all the issues 😉 (also. it may be better to report to the tool's discord 😉 )
deft lichen
oh there's a discord
glacial hemlock
have you considered to create a redirect from your U2 calculator to the new site?
this is going to be fun, and I am planning to replace all the infograph in my guide to use your calculator.
wind spade
not a direct redirect, but there will be a modal popup at the begining notifying about the new tool
stuff like radiation and manifold tools are still completely usable, as that hasn't changed
and at least until I move those over, I want to keep the old site
deft lichen
ah, but the production calculator is completely obsolete isn't it?
wind spade
yeah
unless you play on U2
and yeah, we have a discord specifically for the tool (link is on the website, top right menu)
glacial hemlock
will there be an option to switch between light / dark mode?
I prefer dark though
wind spade
for now I'm staying with dark only
I didn't want to worry about two different designs, when not even the first one is finished
but there may be light mode if it gets some attention
I'm considering the possibility to export the visualization in several different modes tho
to fit on other websites
glacial hemlock
export in png or jpg option will be great. For large infograph I have to use paint.net to manually merge the multiple screenshots
wind spade
you can rightclick the visualization and choose "save image", but that still only exports the visible content
(but it puts it on a transparent background)
also, don't replace the schemas yet, you should wait for the latest update (colored nodes 😛 )
glacial hemlock
I see. I tried right-click save image, it is essentially a partial screenshot. lul
wind spade
yeah. it just saves the image without the background, so you can put it on your own (which may be useful sometimes)
though coloring of the nodes and texts isn't supported yet
glacial hemlock
if I zoom out until no text can be seen, then the image is also the same (no text can be seen in the cell)
wind spade
yeah
glacial hemlock
not the HQ I would expect
wind spade
it just "screenshots" what it sees in the border
it's a browser feature, I didn't put that in
definitely want to make it somehow sharable, but it's not a priority right now
pearl adder
Was watching a video where they were showing iron setups, I saw this small bit here where they make screws
if you look at the top where they feed in the bars they split the bars into the 3 constructors, is this an efficient way to split the items into 3 ways?
wind spade
yes
pearl adder
Cause doesn't the constructor to the left get a fourth of the one to the right
wind spade
no
pearl adder
im confused ;-;
wind spade
the first one overflows because it's storage will get full
pearl adder
cause don't they get split twice
ah so it's divided equal kinda
or like just incase it overflows
hot cargo
It's cascades downstream. I think of the belts as plumbing. It will balance eventually
pearl adder
ok
wary tulip
This is the difference between balanced and manifold designs. Manifolds rely on the overflow mechanic to balance out the system. Balance style balances the splits without relying on overflow.
real dome
I'm trying to get the ratio's right (factorio player, so yeah...), and most things are easy and make sense, however I can't figure out concrete. How do you produce concrete without any bottlenecks or underclocking?
real dome
(Just completed t4, so I got mk2 miners and mk3 belts if necessary)
Normal recipe, I don't have alternates yet. And underclocking feels like I'm wasting stuff, just a personal preference
wind spade
you're actually not wasting anything. Even better, you're using less power than you'd normally do
real dome
True that
wind spade
also, basic recipe = 45 limestone -> 15 concrete
junior lion
If you have a node of 120 limestone then 120/45 = 2 + 2/3 so 3 constructors, 2 at 100%, one at 66%
Sadly we are dealing with computers and can't represent 2/3 exactly in decimal 🙂
real dome
Allright thanks!
Even when we cap the constructor at items instead of percentage? That should be exact, right?
wind spade
67% btw, not 66%
make use of that 0.6666666666666% extra production
@real dome no, because OC % can only be an integer
spring knoll
what if you overclock the miner? will it make 180 / min ?
which would be 4 constructors on the nose? 🤓
wind spade
yeah, OC miners and get a nice number from them
real dome
@real dome no, because OC % can only be an integer
@wind spade Ahh yes of course, thought maybe behind the scenes it would be something more accurate
wind spade
nope, unfortunatelly
cedar basin
how am i supposed to transfer 600m³/min of oil, when pipes can only transfer 300m³/min?
kinda counter-logical
wind spade
well you produce only 300m3, so you're fine
cedar basin
i'd set it to 300m³, but i could go 600m³
wind spade
same as you can't make 1200/min out of pure node with mk3 miner
the game has limitations that you must work around
cedar basin
so ill have to just let it run at 300m³?
😦
wind spade
yes. It's still more than enough oil
cedar basin
(i need 810m³ of oil/min for my tubofuel plant)
frail swift
Whoa, did you just suggest that there was enough of something?! Blasphemy! 😆
cedar basin
ill convert 360 compactcoal/min into 540m³ turbo/min, which needs alot of fuel
empty hemlock
pipes were planned for 600/min but technical limitations prevented that, so they got downgraded to 300, while all the recipe balancing stayed on the 600/min. they intend to change that when they fixed the issue
cedar basin
"technical limtiations"?
waht?
vague tapir
hey what is the best coal generator setup
cedar basin
depends on your coal node
vague tapir
120/min
cedar basin
120/15= ammount of coal gens
vague tapir
i am using them at %143 so they use 20/min
cedar basin
15 = coal consumption of 1 coal plant at 100%
vague tapir
and a water extractor at %150
Thank you, so i can feed 6 generators at %143 with 2 %150 water extractor and a 120 coal/min extractor
cedar basin
1 water extractor at 100% produces 120m³ of water
1 coal plant at 100% consumes 45m³ water/min
1 water ex can feed 2,666 coal plants
vague tapir
ok so with 3 water ex i can feed 8 of them
agile crane
You just have to split one between two pipes
cedar basin
overclocking is not really necessary, unless you want to get:
a) the max out of it
or b) get even numbers
so save yourself the hassle and oc them to even numbers
agile crane
though normally just more of the machine is more efficient than overclocking it
vague tapir
my generators at %143 are using 60/min water and 20/min coal atm
summer field
If you want to be a truly efficient pioneer, you should only overclock miners.
vague tapir
i will create 3 more because i left 60/min coal left
cedar basin
or oil extractors
vague tapir
Thank you so much, love you all.
cedar basin
you are welcome!
wind spade
edgy galleon
needed 100 Plastic for my Computer set up, ended up producing 300. looks like the sync gets 200 plastic per minute
quasi dock
so when it says 20 parts per minute is that total or is it 20 parts per minute * parts made?
empty hemlock
it's total
wraith umbra
It makes 2 part every craft, for an average of 20 parts per minute.
quasi dock
okay
wind spade
it's not 40/min. The game has done the math for you 😄
edgy galleon
imagine if they didnt 😦
wind spade
yeah
if you mean https://www.satisfactorytools.com/
(it's mentioned on the bottom of the page)
quasi dock
why doesn't it show plates when I do this?
in fact it just outputs screw
so what does maximize do?
what I though it would do is tell you if you wanted % possible of the source given a spit to the others you can get a maximum of x/m
wind spade
oh yeah. I completely forgot about this. It's a bug, has been reported before, I'll try to fix it.
wind spade
yeah it's issue when you have multiple maximize options
wind spade
maximize should produce as much of that resource as possible, with the slider changing the ratio between the maximized resources
quasi dock
even witht he bug this helps so much
I figured out the first stages myself but it was getting hard 😄
😄
edgy galleon
woot 8 Minutes too Geothermal research
quasi dock
I'm a newbie
glacial hemlock
do you have Belt Mk.3? I bet you have only belt Mk.1 now.
it is better to simply based on 60 iron ore / min and work out separate productions for each type of item
glacial hemlock
Then base on 120 iron ores
halcyon zodiac
hey guys, i need an adivse how to creat my factory, i would love to hear what you think
from there would my ore come and i would to know how you would build with this element your factory
glacial hemlock
You should try to unlock more tech. I see you are using bus design
wind spade
you shouldn't use the bus design 🤔
halcyon zodiac
i just try to get my idea along or kinda let it work for an while, want finally to get trough and not drop alawys my idea and restart and get nothing done :/
its acutally only one lane per miner
glacial hemlock
Nono, no need restart, just abandon the stuff you don't need
If this is your first gameplay, try to reach tier 4 before restart should give you some idea
halcyon zodiac
im acutally already at tier 4 ._.
glacial hemlock
But your belts...
quartz wedge
with heavy oil residue, diluted packaged fuel and turbo fuel recipes how many fuel generator can i supply at the northen oil fields ?
with my calculations im calculating 8k /m3 of turbo fuel a minute
halcyon zodiac
just dont have enough mats to get better ones casue strange base i build
glacial hemlock
Turbofuel is bottlenecked by sulfur
@halcyon zodiac if you are already tier 4, then push a bit to reach tier 5 at least
Get the idea that getting better belt is as important as getting coal power
halcyon zodiac
the space elevetor stuff holding me back
glacial hemlock
Nothing move if the belts are that slow
halcyon zodiac
okay, i think bakcground is needed. im coming from factory and i played many many hours in it, after i finally won the game with the rocket i locked how other plays and i learned that an bus system exist, but never truly understood how it worked, how it transit from early to end game, since them i lost my interest in factorio and neve coulndt get back. with that knowledge that such efficent system exist i could never get inside of such games, i reached tier4 with only handcrafted stuff even...
i just wanted finally set up an automatic base, but i cant think trough how to do it right
glacial hemlock
Omg, handcraft god
Factorio is a nice game. Btw, bus do not work in Satisfactory, manifold and modular setup is the way to go. Interestingly, modular setup is beneficial to all types of factory games
halcyon zodiac
teach me how, i have nightmares of that bus system....
halcyon zodiac
found it already, but thanks
other question: in the wiki stands "Stitched Iron Plate with Iron Wire is more resource efficient." but with the daniel2013 site it shows different ways to build it for most value
so modular building is not to connect all stuif together but mainly all for they own and getting new nodes simply using for new modular systems?
river night
if you want to stick to Iron-only, then Stitched Plates are best, almost 50% better then normal plates, although their odd resource consumption factors bug my mild OCD - but I use them anyway!
halcyon zodiac
Ah okay^^
upbeat tide
Or go bolted plates. Uses more iron tho
Stitched plates uses the least amount of iron per plate interestingly enough
upbeat tide
Decided to compare all the RIP recipes based off one assembler at 100%
Standard
Bolted
Stitched
Adheredp
So, yes the stitched alt is the most efficient for your iron use. Unless you want to use rubber anyway.
To equal what bolted does, you need 3 stitched assemblers. It will use 79.08 iron ore with the pure ingot alt
fresh elm
I'm still unsure about using rubber for things.
I know I can make so much more than I could before U3 now
but it doesn't mean I don't cringe at the though still
winter ingot
So I got an 120/m Coal node, and a 120/m iron node. I'ma feed both into foundries to make steel, but the foundries take 45 of each per minute. Not sure how to split up and balance the conveyors to make it all even. I'm havin' trouble working out the math myself, any help?
edgy galleon
man, why cant I run the chainsaw off fuel, Or maybe they should have a Fuel Chainsaw with larger range, and it dosent pick anything up
upbeat tide
Solid biofuel only. Even liquid bio doesnt work
winter ingot
So just split it into three Foundries? 120/3 is 40, making the foundries slightly under capacity. Which is acceptable for what I want, but I also wanna know if there's a way to make if fit perfectly?
upbeat tide
Not with 120 no
edgy galleon
yeah and it sucks, I am making gasoline and wish to never use Biofuel ever again
upbeat tide
Either UC all of them or UC the last one to 30/30/30
Keep making packaged fuel tho. Your trucks, tractors, and jetpack will use it
winter ingot
Ah I see. Thanks for the help!
upbeat tide
Np
proven cobalt
is there a downside or benefit of using all 3 outputs of a splitter in a manifold vs just 2?
upbeat tide
Not really, just build the machines like this
X
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— S
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X
edgy galleon
how am I only noticing now that there is two moons
slender patrol
Wait what
woeful skiff
Actually I think it's one moon and one planet. You are on a moon.
glacial hemlock
@halcyon zodiac 'not connect all stuff together' is the key idea
wraith umbra
If I had to guess, https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator
crystal terrace
Hey guys, I have a new factory set up. I'd make it in the calculator to make this whole thing easier to visualize but I really don't know how to display splitters and other stuff in it
Basically, it's 2 Normal Iron nodes being split into 4 smelters
The smelters each input 30 iron ore per minute and output 30 per minute as well
Two of the smelters lead into constructors making Iron rods
The constructors output 15 iron rods per minute but only input 15 iron ingots
Why is that? 30 iron ingots could be flowing into it per minute, why is it only accepting 15?
Also, any tips on creating that setup using the satisfactory calculator?
wraith umbra
Because the constructor only uses 15? It clearly shows how much it uses and how much it makes.
crystal terrace
So it will only accept as much as it uses and won't just keep taking in iron ingots to store?
wraith umbra
It will take extra ingot until it hits the max stack for that resource but it is still only using 15 ingots per minute to make 15 rods per minute
Just one of your smelters with a splitter can max out two constructors to make rods
pastel oxide
dose anyone know the screw assembler to reinforced plate assembler ratio?
swift ice
dose anyone know the screw assembler to reinforced plate assembler ratio?
@pastel oxide what?
do you want to know how many screw assemblers you need for each reinforced iron plate assembler?
the answer depends if you are working with %100 efficiency (not overclocked) and if you have alternate recipes or not for screws/reinforced plates
swift ice
its 40 screws produced per minute for each screw factory and 60 used each reinforced so I would say 3:2
3 screws > 2 reinforced
for simple recipes and no overclock
swift ice
@pastel oxide what is your highest tier belts unlocked?
crystal terrace
Is there a tool for visualizing a full factory set up, not the calculator one?
swift ice
if you have mark 1's you might not make it work correctly unless you split-merge a few times in a row
pastel oxide
3
swift ice
@crystal terrace the one apart from satisfactory-calculator.com ?
@pastel oxide then yes 3>2 is good, merge 3 into 1 belt and split into 2
since mk3 belts can handle 120 screws per minute
crystal terrace
Oh I didn't know about that one, thank you <3
swift ice
yw 🙂
glacial hemlock
270
ocean garnet
which alt recipes do I need for fuel gens to make sense? making fuel directly seems to lose to making alt: heavy residue, and then fueling coal gens with the petroleum from it
glacial hemlock
Wiki turbofuel
wind spade
ocean garnet
thanks for that! looks like i'm missing diluted fuel then
glacial hemlock
@wind spade now your calculator is out, how about @ community manager to update the Welcome page to include your link?
wind spade
oh, I didn't even know it's there. I've asked Rekalty to update pinned posts here. Thanks for the notice, I'll try
tight anchor
@wind spade does your new tool work out power required?
loving the layout of the site btw. great work
wind spade
not yet. It's one of the features that's planned
there is a vote going on in the tool's Discord
power is 2nd most requested
so I guess will be implemented soon
tight anchor
I joined, looking forward to seeing it develop
indigo solstice
one thing that always bothered me in all the calculators is stuff like this
like... how am i gonna ever get those ratios on belts?
glacial hemlock
manifold.
indigo solstice
but you need to know the ration in whole numbers for that right?
glacial hemlock
Manifold is the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything.
But in the first place, how did this graph turn out like this?
indigo solstice
just used the calculator and set "versatile framework" to 10/min
glacial hemlock
I doubt versatile framework only use 60 iron ingots/min
indigo solstice
ah sry it was set to 5/min output
with 10 it looks like this
but still, those ratios...
glacial hemlock
There is a reason behind any numbers. You expect whole numbers, but fraction is ultimately unavoidable in this game
river night
dont even try to load balance those, just connect the output all together and chain them into their destinations, and the system balances itself ... eventually. ie. manifold
glacial hemlock
Manifold solves the problem
indigo solstice
hmm i see
so basically you create a manifold between each step? (where it's not clear cut and matches exactly)
river night
often many steps wont even need it, but otherwise yes
glacial hemlock
manifold where necessary, to allow overflow from one machine to flow into the other. In some cases, use dedicated connection (direct 1:1 or 1:2). Avoid Bus at all costs
river night
a bus is a large-scale manifold over your entire everything
glacial hemlock
not from factorio? Bus is multiple parallel belts that you often see in other's factory showcase
river night
dont be afraid of the manifold, its a fancy word that just means connect everything together 😄
glacial hemlock
its price, not to mention its update frequency. I quitted months ago
but Anno is complex as well
indigo solstice
well yeah but not like this 😄
wind spade
you can either make one big manifold (if your belt allows it) or put a splitter and two manifolds
indigo solstice
but at the end, you will either have too much or too little for the next constructor/assembler, right?
glacial hemlock
oh, in that case, you can adjust the clock speed of a building
wind spade
yeah but if you have too much, it would overflow to the branch that has too little
indigo solstice
ah right... and when everything is full?
then that tells me to either overclock or add another consumer, right?
glacial hemlock
add more consumers. But you should build the buildings in correct ratio at first.
wind spade
if you build exactly as you need to (exact ratio as the tool suggeests), you wouldn't have any excess
indigo solstice
but how do you build 2,33333 constructors? 😄
glacial hemlock
build 3 instead. Underclock the last
wind spade
3 constructors, one at 34% underclock
indigo solstice
ah right, underclock
oh boy 😄
back to the drawing board. thanks so much, i can understand those diagrams so much better now
wind spade
if you have any suggestions for improvements, feel free to share 😉 I'm always looking for ways to improve the tool
indigo solstice
well yeah i already looked into it, but I'm a react dev 😕 so I can only provide user feedback ^^
wind spade
well that's what I mean. Ofc you can also improve the code, but functionality > code quality 😄
indigo solstice
oooh bold statement 😄
wind spade
it's not some generic statement. It's taken from my priority list when developing the tools
indigo solstice
i do subscribe to "ship early and often" tho. sounds better imo 😄
wind spade
functionality > UI on desktop > code quality > UI on mobile
that was my priority list until yesterday's launch
after I fix the most obvious bugs and add a few features, I'll reconsider this to be something like
code quality > UI on mobile > UI on desktop > functionality
indigo solstice
i think it will evolve in sync with the game itself
wind spade
it evolved a lot already 🙂 I need to find my old screenshots of the tool
indigo solstice
if you don't need to change core functions because the game mechanics changed so often, you can more easily focus on robustness and maintainability
wind spade
from the 15 or so months back
indigo solstice
haha that would be interesting yeah 😄
and if you ever switch to (obviously vastly superior 😉 /s ) react , i'll join in
indigo solstice
is that a new version or? (angularjs vs angular)
wind spade
"Angular" (or Angular 2, Angular 6 or ngx) is a completely rewritten AngularJS from scratch, using Typescript and is generally considered to be much better.
indigo solstice
ah nice
dry crag
ooh where can I get that?
wind spade
@dry crag that's over a year old screenshot. The tool has since evolved so much. Currently it lives here https://satisfactorytools.com/
dry crag
well if I can still calculate things that would be amazing because I have a huge project rn and I am tired of counting everything myself
wind spade
it can calculate things for you 😉
indigo solstice
@wind spade what's the reason behind not including miners btw?
wind spade
several reasons:
- I wanted to get the tool out and I didn't consider it essential feature
- miners are generally hard to calculate, as you can have different purities and different tiers of miners
- the UI and functionality for picking miners wasn't included in the release (yet)
I think displaying the raw number as a requirement is good enough for most cases, there's definitely plan to include them tho.
indigo solstice
oh yeah i agree it's good enough. just wanted to know if there's something more to it
at least for my stage in the game I mostly go "i have this many resources, how much can i make with it" and not "i want this amount of output, how many resources do i need"
wind spade
you can do that with the tool as well 😉
indigo solstice
um, ok? a better way than lowering the target output until it matches ? 😄
wind spade
set the limits in "items" and change the "items per minute" to "maximize"
indigo solstice
aaaah this is so goood omg
man when i come home from work with all this new knowledge i will have so much rebuilding to do in my base
wind spade
hehe
indigo solstice
is there a well-known solution to storage in general?
i have been building a sort of storage lot where everything comes together from all over the factories
wind spade
usually a centralized storage is the way to go
glacial hemlock
avoid building buffers unless absolutely necessary. I only build buffers for building ingredients and at train stations.
indigo solstice
By buffers you mean like storage containers inside factories?
glacial hemlock
yes
candid sonnet
any up to date guide on oil efficiency?
upbeat tide
What ya looking for?
Dont have a guide, but I have been setting up insane oil setups for north of 150 hours now
glacial hemlock
@candid sonnet wiki plastic or rubber. The guide is there
glacial hemlock
that was a big booi
upbeat tide
Lol one sec, look at the screenshot channel
first is my power, second is a huge recycled rubber/plastic setup
paper flower
lol I was like "Man I logged 24 hours on this game. I practically mastered it!"
And now I'll be quiet and listen.
Okay, so the beginning of the game is pretty straight forward ratios, as the game progresses how often are you balancing incoming resources from various regions?
I ask because I am interested if I should just accept inefficiencies or import distant resources for maximum resource utilization.
glacial hemlock
you should always expand out and build more outposts
swift ice
you should always expand out and build more outposts
@glacial hemlock or add more floors
lol I was like "Man I logged 24 hours on this game. I practically mastered it!"
And now I'll be quiet and listen.
@paper flower Im near 300 hours and I havent even touched nuclear stuff
glacial hemlock
I am at 243 hours, I am not sure if I can pick up all the power slugs before 300 hours
swift ice
I stopped bothering with slugs after 300 power shards
I would still pick one if I see one but that happens rarely
dry crag
ok so currently progressing to tier 5 and 6 only got the game after steam release do you suggest investing in coal power a lot now or wait a bit to get better stuff?
swift ice
ok so currently progressing to tier 5 and 6 only got the game after steam release do you suggest investing in coal power a lot now or wait a bit to get better stuff?
@dry crag get like 10-20 coal gens
should be enough to keep you going till you get to oil unless you build big factory already
I went with a 36 coal gen setup after my first 8 coal gens
kept me going untill I reached a high tier and then I made oil generator setup with turbofuel
dry crag
I currently have around 18 and I have automated tier 5 and 6 progression so rn is just waiting and optimizing other stuff
swift ice
18 should be relatively enough
if they can work efficiently
aka enough water-coal for each if they get %100 load
dry crag
Yeah they all function fine other one is from pure source so it produces more than needed even though it also is used for my steel production and other one just mk2 miner can easily keep all 9 up
swift ice
then in theory unless you go crazy for efficiency it should be enough to keep you going till higher tiers
indigo solstice
so ive been trying out what i learned today.
is this what a manifold looks like?
swift ice
@indigo solstice yes pretty much
indigo solstice
sounds like theres a "but" coming
swift ice
as long as you have equal or higher intake than used products total it will work fine
if u have less going in than used the production will balance itself out to the input levels since the "last ones" will not get materials to work with
wind spade
but it will still work the same way as a balancer
indigo solstice
well here it's basically equal. two miners -> 120 ore -> 4 smelters with 30 input each
swift ice
yes both way works same except 1 is divided evenly and works same speed at any time and other ramps up slowly to reach same speeds
load balance or manifold wont matter in most cases
if you wait enough*
indigo solstice
so now the next step would be to do the same between smelters and constructors for the ingots, right?
dim thicket
Pree much. Play with it to find the best ways to integrate steps between things
dim pebble
so if i understand correctly it will work if the total input is at least as high as the desired input, because the belts from the splitters that go to the inputs will be full, so the rest of the input will be divided to the belts that aren't full, so essentially it will self-balance?
glacial hemlock
true
dim thicket
Ya
dim pebble
nice
dim thicket
If you're running too little input, you don't necessarily care about the lost efficiency compared to simply not using all of your input
swift ice
@dim pebble in some situations manifold is not useful since belts can only handle so much
but in theory it works same either way as long as your belts can handle the load
indigo solstice
so yeah i can only go as high as my highest belt will let me right
if I need more i need to acuallty split it in two or something
swift ice
only if you have more in 1 belt than your belt can handle
2 manifolds etc might be needed if you plan to get a lot of screws with low tier belts
pearl adder
Anyone who can check if my math is right
There shouldn't be any overclock in this setup
swift ice
you are wasting iron ingots
pearl adder
how come
swift ice
why is there a random arrow that goes back to constructor?
pearl adder
o shoot the arrow is not supposed to be there
good eye lol
Let's see if this is bigger
swift ice
you dont need manifold here but it doesnt matter (you can jst use use 1 splitter to split into 3)
but yea it looks fine
swift ice
seems like
swift ice
also naming splitters and mergers is more confusing just write "splitter" or "merger" on it
😉
or if you want info on them write more instead, like "120 screws > 60+60 screws"
or "60+60 screws > 120 screws"
etc...
pearl adder
yeah I was thinking that, but I just wrote that so it's a little easier to remember
instead of counting all the different splitters it goes through
covert edge
The alternate recipe to make screw with iron ingot is really useful. If you get your hands on it go for it.
swift ice
The alternate recipe to make screw with iron ingot is really useful. If you get your hands on it go for it.
@covert edge I agree @pearl adder
pearl adder
Yeah I have the stitched recipe, just trying to keep this Iron only so I have a seperate building for iron only items and for copper only
Really not a good idea later on but I'm still in the early game
real dome
Just a quick question, since my math is'nt great. Is there a way to produce steel ingots which perfect ratios without underclocking?
(got 1 pure mk2 coal node and more than enough iron, mk3 belts, overclock if needed)
swift ice
@real dome try using https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner
safe hawk
Theres an alternate steel ingot recipe that uses iron ingots
I think that one gets nice ratios
real dome
@swift ice I did, but it didn't give me any solution without underclocking
swift ice
you wont need to underclock if the solution doesnt want you to underclock
if it tells you to underclock then underclock
safe hawk
You could also get perfect ratios by overcolcoking the miners to get 270 /m
swift ice
overclocking non-miners arent that wise early on
real dome
@safe hawk That's good to know, unfortunately I don't have alternates yet
real dome
@swift ice Allright, I did the concrete without underclocking even tho the calculator didn't give me any solution without underclocking
safe hawk
Which works perfectly with the basic steel recipe
Thats...
Thats not mathematically possible is it?
real dome
@safe hawk Allright thanks, that's probably the best idea, even tho the constructors won't be perfect ratios after with a 270 full belt of steel
safe hawk
It will
real dome
Thats not mathematically possible is it?
@safe hawk Doing the concrete?
swift ice
@safe hawk at what part of steel ingots you need concrete?
real dome
Oh my bad I thought they need 60/m
real dome
Allright I think I'll do that. Thanks!
swift ice
@real dome without alt recipes, 1 pure mk2 miner will give you 240 steel ingots
safe hawk
Also yeah idk how you got perfect concrete with the basic recipe
swift ice
(same with your bottleneck coal)
safe hawk
I was so happy when i got wet concrete cuz no more weird rations
swift ice
you get same steel ingots of your slowest intake (coal or iron doesnt matter)
you dont need to underclock since the machines will just work at the efficiency they can work in
but if you want perfect ratios I agree on the overclocking miner to 270
real dome
@safe hawk I did concrete with 1 mk2 normal 150% (180/m) and 4 constructors (4*45=180/m)
swift ice
any exact multiplication of 45 is gona be exact numbers
I was talking about steel
idk how you got concrete involved into the question
real dome
Yeah sorry that was response to the question how I did concrete
Allright thanks! I'll do that, thanks for the help
real dome
Yeah that makes sense, thanks!
upbeat tide
I wish this was 1200, not 1215... stupid numbers
Making alot of crystal ocilators for nuclear prep
wind spade
here you go, now it's 1200 😛
sacred gust
Serving the community...
upbeat tide
Yea ik but I want to make 94.5 CO. Way more than I need for 31.5 nuclear rods, but tripling all but the uranium incase I want to expand it
And go for the 472.5 nuclear nuthouse
upbeat tide
Anyway I think I have gona mad
More mad than building a 2666.66 m3 a min TF power farm
Im gonna go max nuclear. The resource usage isnt horrible. Even makinf 190 beacons a min isnt as bad as I thought.
wind spade
yeah, other than 1200 oil, it's acceptable
wind spade
Fair 🙂
upbeat tide
Total oil products making
- 2666.66m3 TF
- 1830 rubber
- 1800 plastic
- 510 petro coke
- 20 packaged fuel
The packaged fuel, coke, and extra rubber are from my impure node
sacred gust
Early game: Assume a node with normal purity. With one stack of leaves (7500 MJ) one can get either 577 ingots from 2 smelters running at 100 % clock rate or 818 ingots from 6 smelters running at 33 % clock rate. Underclocking saves 'e' key.
glacial hemlock
31.5 nuclear? man that is going to be huge!
upbeat tide
Not really, 1/3 total uranium use tho
Granted my definition of the word huge in this game got muddled a long time ago.
glacial hemlock
Even if all the resources is fully utilized, the power consumption won't exceed 0.5 TW
polar sleet
at least until higher teirs unlock
grizzled shoal
any good turbofuel diagrams?
swift ice
depends if you want simple or diluted (complex) one
swift ice
grizzled shoal
yeeeeeeeee
swift ice
there was another more complex one but I forgot
the most efficient way should give you 666 turbofuel per minute using only 300m3 crude oil (1 max pipe)
and the bottles are reused
swift ice
1 fuel gen takes 4.5 tf per minute and give 150 energy each
you do the math
666 tf gives 148 gens and 22.2GW power
(1 max crude oil pipe)
grizzled shoal
ONLY 7.5 TURBOFUEL PER MINUTE?
swift ice
but you do consume some of that power in the process
grizzled shoal
HOLY SHIT
swift ice
non diluted (simpler) oil gen I have made giving 99.5GW power
swift ice
compacted coal factory somewhere else to feed the system above 2925 sulfur/coal per minute
grizzled shoal
i thought oil was good not op
swift ice
diluted is better if you want to conserve crude oil but you will run into the "not enough sulfur" problem regardless
so I went with simple setup since the real bottleneck for me was sulfur
grizzled shoal
how many sulfur nodes is there in the desert?
swift ice
3 pure on desert-vicinity