#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 450

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 10:48 AM

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its a vast topic

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 11:59 AM

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Your forgetting, generation 1 jets were all manual 🙂

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But to reality, yes computers do alot of the work

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 11:59 AM

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sounds horrible

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 12:00 PM

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Computers did not exist in the current form in the late 1940’s, early 50’s

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Only computers that did exist were huge math machines, that main job was code breaking

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:01 PM

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then again, past jets are past jets

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Having a computer do the most complex work saves the easier task for the pilot

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Dont mean to say being a jet pilot is easy, no way, but the comps. sure do lift some load off them

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 12:03 PM

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They could also make life miserable. Looks at you, 737 Max

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:06 PM

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"Investigators determined that a new automated flight control, the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) malfunctioned on both flights, sending each plane into repeated nosedives."

the keyword here is "New flight control system"

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 12:07 PM

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using 737 max as thing to blame computers is pathetic

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:07 PM

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actually the article on the MCAS is pretty extensive to research what happened

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but that's kinda off-topic

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Im not blaming computers, but a design decision that should have been stamped out pre-mass production

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Borderline off topic but here, an excerpt:
"When MCAS detects that the aircraft is operating in manual flight, with flaps up, at an elevated angle of attack (AoA), it adjusts the horizontal stabilizer trim to push the nose down, so the pilot will not inadvertently pull the airplane up too steeply, potentially causing a stall."

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thing is, the pilots didnt even really know the MAX had MCAS

woeful skiff May 18, 2020, 12:11 PM

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thing is, the pilots didnt even really know the MAX had MCAS
@oblique hollow I guarantee they did.

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 12:11 PM

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the problem here is unability to override computer

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

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hmm well i guess i need to read the article more carefully then

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

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afaik mcas was faulty AND you couldn't override it

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(i may be wrong ofc feel free to bonk me)

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

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"Unlike the 737 MAX, however, MCAS could be overridden on the KC-46 by pulling back on its control column"

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one could, the other not, it seems

woeful skiff May 18, 2020, 12:15 PM

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No. That just means that pulling back on the control does not disengage the MCAS in the 737. It does not mean that the MCAS cannot be disengaged.

oblique hollow May 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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exactly. on that one plane gen

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i guess its better to read a full comprehensive article on the topic of that but this isnt the channel for that. Lets drop it here or move it to #off-topic-general

weary ravine May 18, 2020, 12:17 PM

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👀

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What McGalleon said

grizzled walrus May 18, 2020, 2:19 PM

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what is the max capacity of the final belt ? pls

sand garnet May 18, 2020, 2:19 PM

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mk5 is currently max

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which can hold 780/min

grizzled walrus May 18, 2020, 2:20 PM

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thx Tom

glacial hemlock May 18, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@grizzled walrus https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Conveyor_Belt

Satisfactory Wiki

Conveyor Belt

Conveyor Belts are used to transport items, such as raw ores and refined materials (and Lizard Doggos), between structures. They consist of a single track that can curve around bends, as well as slant up and down. Many structures have ports in order to allow belts to be connec...

dull rover May 18, 2020, 2:51 PM

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But apparently, the devs got Mk.6 belts lined up for us in a future update, which can hold 1600 or so

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So you can overclock your mines all the way and get all the benefits

wind spade May 18, 2020, 2:55 PM

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@dull rover iirc mk6 were confirmed for far future, but the number wasn't told anywhere. For now we simply don't know how fast will mk6 be

sand garnet May 18, 2020, 2:58 PM

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yeah the items per minute is pure speculation

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 2:58 PM

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why they are moving it really far if we already can have 1200? sounds not logical

sand garnet May 18, 2020, 2:59 PM

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what do you mean moving it really far

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 2:59 PM

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"confirmed for far future"

sand garnet May 18, 2020, 3:00 PM

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well mostly because far is subjective

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we know that steam release is first

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dedicated servers are up next

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we dont know when update 4 will be and/ or if that even contains mk6 belts

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it wouldnt be unlikely, but we have no info to base that off

wind spade May 18, 2020, 3:01 PM

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also, steam release work doesn't end when they release on steam. There will most likely be new bugs that need fixing

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same with dedicated servers

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so I'd expect like 3 months at least of no (or not many) feature updates (except for dedis)

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 3:03 PM

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sounds reasonable

well they work and deliver, i am happy. game even in current state is much more worth it's price, and they don't saw it on updates dlcs like some shady companies

wind spade May 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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I like how people say "shady companies" 🤔

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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ea is quite shady

wind spade May 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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because? 🤔

dull rover May 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Tell me something new

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"Pride and Accomplishment"

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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because fifa at least
i don't need to explain why ea is bad and i won't

dull rover May 18, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Well, pretty much all the AAA publishers out there are like that

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 3:11 PM

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won't argue

full thunder May 18, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Hey there, is there any up-to-date production planner?

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(I'm on experimental)

heady smelt May 18, 2020, 3:12 PM

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https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator

full thunder May 18, 2020, 3:15 PM

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tyvm, seems to work like a charm ❤️

fierce ruin May 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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How many coal generators can I power on 2 water pumps ram by 1 pipeline with no lifter pumps

sand garnet May 18, 2020, 3:22 PM

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2 water extractors provide 240 water per minute

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1 coal generator requires 45 water per minute

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so do 240/45 and you can figure it out by yourself

glacial hemlock May 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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lifter pumps or pipeline pumps don't provide boost to flow rate.

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:43 PM

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@fierce ruin I have 9 coal generators running on 2 pumps perfectly fine

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:46 PM

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that's because you're not running at full power

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or you OC'd your extractors

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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No it's running fine. No OC, no shortages

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The math doesn't work out I know

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But I just kept adding until it stopped and then backed it up by one. It stopped working at 10

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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are you running at full power?

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Yeah

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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#doubt

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Doubt all you want

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:49 PM

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show a picture/proof and I'll believe it

fierce ruin May 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Ok oc and running out of power at 6

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Hold on then. Lemme open the game

fierce ruin May 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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2 pumps

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Have I broken the game?

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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no, you're probably just not running at full power

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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what do you fellas think of this water distribution plan?

📎 residual_water_distribution.PNG

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I am though.

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:51 PM

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alright, show the graph

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Wait do you mean running at full power as in using it all?

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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yes, that's what's meant as running at full power

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Thought you meant underclocking

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No I'm not then. That'll be it

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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if you are, you'll run of water eventually

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Yeah that makes more sense

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:54 PM

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above 400 MW your setup's not sustainable

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basically you're actually only using 6 out of 8 of your coal gens

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unless ofc you add another extractor or OC

minor anchor May 18, 2020, 6:55 PM

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So I need one more water pump yeah. On it now

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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@upbeat tide looks good as far as I can tell

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Ty, just trying to optimize the water for this monster as much as possible

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📎 image0.jpg

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Already know how to break up all that diluted fuel. Honestly thats the easy part in all of this

glacial hemlock May 18, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Or i shld say, this part is just a small warm up compared to nuclear setup

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 7:28 PM

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True, very true

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 7:30 PM

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yea well making computers is already killing my head

golden bane May 18, 2020, 7:31 PM

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znc how

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i built liek 3 version of storage then i sort it all into 22 boxes atm

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so then i can plum from there what i need

dusky quail May 18, 2020, 7:45 PM

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@golden bane do you drop them into manufacturer storages?

covert edge May 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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@upbeat tide for the residual rubber i would slip the 80/min water extractor directly and merge it with the 120/min just above and below

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You gain one pipe depending on your setup

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For the raf there is some things you can do depending on your location.

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if your water isn't too far from the packaging you can go 240/min per pipe for 4 raf each.
You can "merge" the water extractor : 5 for 2 pipe at 300/min going to 5 raf each (10 total)

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Water isnt a issue. This whole system is being built over the blue crater lake. 20m+ above for room obviously

sacred blade May 18, 2020, 10:53 PM

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What’s a good early game (tiers 2 to 3) sink resource?

fierce ruin May 18, 2020, 10:54 PM

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spare spelevator parts

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they give huge Qpon rewards

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alternatively modular frames and anything from assemblers are good too

sacred blade May 18, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Okay. I was thinking about smart plating, so that sounds good

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I’ve got casted screws, so they are cheaper and prob faster then versatile framework

upbeat tide May 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Try to find stitched plates, its my personal favorite RIP alternate

dull rover May 18, 2020, 11:43 PM

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/AWESOME_Sink

Satisfactory Wiki

AWESOME Sink

The AWESOME Sink is a special building that produces FICSIT Coupons for use in the AWESOME Shop by destroying items inserted into it, converting them into points based on their value or complexity, which in turn can be used to print the aforementioned Coupons. Each successive ...

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In that page, there's a table with the values of each item you can dump into the sink. Just dump in whatever has the highest number on the list and you got way too much of

knotty cape May 19, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Hey can anyone send me a chart of an efficent factory i could replicate?

wind spade May 19, 2020, 1:35 AM

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uh... what do you mean by efficient factory? what item do you want to produce, how much? this is pretty vague question

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 1:37 AM

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^^ hard to answer that without background

knotty cape May 19, 2020, 1:37 AM

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I dont want to produce anything in particular I just want a really solid factory to see how much better at making things efficient other people are

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lol

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 1:39 AM

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This sadly isnt Factorio. There is not a one size fits all design

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There are general tips like use manifold based distribution but without more specific cannot give good advice

vale jungle May 19, 2020, 1:41 AM

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It's mostly just simple math, with the earlier parts being simple multiples of each other, with later parts requiring more complex ratios or decimal values.

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A smelter produces 30 iron ingots per minute. A constructor requires 30 iron ingots per minute to produce 20 iron plates, but only 15 iron ingots to produce 15 iron rods. Therefore, you can run one constructor per smelter if you're producing iron plates, but you can run two constructors per smelter if they're producing iron rods.

sacred blade May 19, 2020, 2:12 AM

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There's also designs like this that chart out production to give you a certain number of items per minute in an efficient manner

📎 20_RIP_min.png

chrome flume May 19, 2020, 9:45 AM

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hey, i have got 13 refineries in a line producing 20 rub each

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so it makes 260 per min right

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i am getting all of them in a single mk3 belt

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with 13 mergers

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it seems like the machines near the end of the line

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are somehow bottlenecking

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why is that happening?

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does mergers have a speed limit or so?

wind spade May 19, 2020, 10:02 AM

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They don't iirc

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Normal recipe for rubber is 10 refineries for 300m3 oil

warm fable May 19, 2020, 2:18 PM

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What is that thing y'all are using to make those diagrams?

fierce ruin May 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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@warm fable https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator

warm fable May 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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thx 🙂

fierce ruin May 19, 2020, 2:27 PM

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crazy useful, dont know how you've lived without it! xd

warm fable May 19, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Easy! Part guesswork and part working out the same thing 7 times

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Does this mean 4 smelters?

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wind spade May 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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yes

fierce ruin May 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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yeah, 4 smelters or smelters overclocked to the equivalent of 4 smelters

heady smelt May 19, 2020, 2:34 PM

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basically 400% of smelters
in any way you want, be it 400 smelters at 1%

fierce ruin May 19, 2020, 2:35 PM

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are 2 smelters at 50% more power efficient or anything?

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vs 1 whole, of course

woeful skiff May 19, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Yes

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irrc underclocking 50% uses about 30% power, whereas overclocking 200% uses 400%. There's an equation on the wiki.

warm fable May 19, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yea, this website is very useful

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Hey guys, don't plan everyhting on 1 sheet

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heady smelt May 19, 2020, 3:01 PM

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yeah don't

glacial hemlock May 19, 2020, 3:01 PM

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true. That is not their final form yet.

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took me a while to split a big mess into small messes

📎 Nuclear_Fuel_Rod_schematic_separated.png

warm fable May 19, 2020, 3:03 PM

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How do you get it to use alternate recipes?

glacial hemlock May 19, 2020, 3:04 PM

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look at the left

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try those settings

warm fable May 19, 2020, 3:05 PM

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ah

warm fable May 19, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Does it save the recipes if you want to go on after closing the tab?

heady smelt May 19, 2020, 3:50 PM

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for me it does
tab in browser if you mean it

try it in new tab to test

mortal grove May 19, 2020, 3:56 PM

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where can you make such sheets? is it some kind of a web tool?

heady smelt May 19, 2020, 3:57 PM

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cmon can you scroll one page up??

mortal grove May 19, 2020, 3:58 PM

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stay calm please

glacial hemlock May 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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@mortal grove https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator

slate solar May 19, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I actually prefer this one https://legorin.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html

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I wanted to do 60 alclad aluminum sheets, 60 fuel and 60 cartridges per minute and it looked like this

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Very neat if you ask me

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And on this one you can also set everything up to your preferences (over-/underclocking, alternate recipes, etc.)

dense leaf May 19, 2020, 5:39 PM

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But it doesn't do dual outputs, making it harder to have the whole picture planned out

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 5:40 PM

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For alclad I just made my own

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📎 image0.png

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Based around a clustered system, each cluster will make 83 alclad a min.

glacial hemlock May 19, 2020, 7:44 PM

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there are many ways to build a good factory:

Efficient factory
Cool factory
Efficient and cool factory (well, not really possible to do both)

fierce ruin May 19, 2020, 9:51 PM

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wrong

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cool factory for me is an efficient factory

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and many other people agree i think

vernal anvil May 19, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I think he means, that next to the efficient factory there are some "decorations"

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and honestly, I don't see a reason why the two wouldn't go together

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I build the guts of my factories first, only include decorations like walls where absolutely needed, pipe holes, conveyor walls, etc

Once I am happy and the facility is working, I add in the details to make it look nice

manic pecan May 19, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Are there any sites where you can input what nodes you have access to and then it tells you the maximum amount of x resource you can make with those nodes

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like e.g i have 2 pure irons, 3 normal coals, 1 normal&pure limestone with miner mk2 and I was wondering whats the maximum amount of encased I can make off it.

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Not really

latent slate May 19, 2020, 10:39 PM

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really i thought the calculator did?

upbeat tide May 19, 2020, 10:40 PM

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It can base off node type and miner tier but thats as far as it goes

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Eg normal with a mk2 miner, etc

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Or slowly adjust the number so that the input matches your ore mining rate

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Mining rate is affected by so many factors. You can check on the UI of each miner and add them up

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Guys what are the requirements to unlock turbo fuel?

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Unlock coal
Find the compacted coal alternate
Unlock oil and fuel processing
Find the turbofuel alternate

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I got fuel + packaging and alternate coal however I can't seem to unlock turbo fuel

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according to the wiki it should be an unlock through hard drives right?

wind spade May 20, 2020, 2:43 AM

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yeah, but those are random, so you may just have bad rng

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:44 AM

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I've literally unlocked everything, last Hard disk only offered 2 choices

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so i'm assuming i'm down to those 2

wind spade May 20, 2020, 2:45 AM

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it's not 100% clear if there's not another requirement

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I'm so confused right now.....

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Make sure you did not miss it

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There are two turbofuel recipes. Normal and heavy turbo fuel

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:47 AM

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........

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 2:48 AM

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https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/turbofuel

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:50 AM

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upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Do you have fuel gens unlocked?

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:52 AM

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upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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best guess, keep unlocking stuff and see what happens

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Just unlocked trains to check

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Could it be because I never unlocked jump pads?

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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dunno, I unlocked everything as I moved up the tiers

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Do you know at what point you for the recipe?

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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dont remember tbh

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Seriously?

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I don't think its after turbo motors...

wind spade May 20, 2020, 3:36 AM

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can be a tier requirement as well, doesn't have to be just hdd

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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But i've unlocked tier 7 already?

wind spade May 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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or any research requirement

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or MAM scan

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there's a lot of stuff we don't know yet

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 3:38 AM

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well yeah i'm really far behind on mam scans

spring flame May 20, 2020, 4:29 AM

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can someone help me do this math, I cant seem to make it work without bringing the % down and adding an assembler

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i have 15 output total from 3 assemblers. my other 5 assemblers need an input of 3, how can i make this happen with splitters and mergers?

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wait i think i found the solution on the subreddit

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📎 cehm5oonjdo21.png

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yep it works

dull vortex May 20, 2020, 4:44 AM

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too big for my taste. i just do the overflow method

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 5:01 AM

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this is a throughput limited 1:5 balancer

dawn pebble May 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Umm I have a belt that it back up on it self, I have a video of it happening can I upload it somwhere to report the bug?

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backing*

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 6:30 AM

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https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/search?search=nuclear&date=All Time

Satisfactory Q&A

The Satisfactory Questions and Answers website is a place to report bugs, suggest features, and look for fixes to any issues you run into.

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register, then post a question there, make sure there is no other duplicate post

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use links to post video and image

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i have seen quite a few bugs that splitters or mergers behaves very stangely.

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but never happened in my own save though

heady smelt May 20, 2020, 7:20 AM

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those 1 to 5 splitters are useless. just connect all together and it will saturate itself

dusky quail May 20, 2020, 8:09 AM

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MANIFOLDS FTW

heady smelt May 20, 2020, 8:23 AM

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BALANCERS FTV(irgins)

vernal anvil May 20, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Manifolds above anything else

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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in EX Manifolds now get the neat addition of a possible feedback with the overflow setting on Smart/Prog. Splitters

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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both balancer and manifold have their pro and cons. if you know what are you doing, then either is fine.

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i am going to use this.

📎 Managing_resources_with_train_schematic.png

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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that train diagram is cute

heady smelt May 20, 2020, 9:43 AM

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the only balancer pro is immediate saturation, and for storage usages if you need to split all input into x amount of containers equally, but they take shit ton of space

for 99% manifolds is same for performance and easier to use and takes less space

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 9:44 AM

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imma see if i can use the new overflow function and experiment with manifolds

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 9:51 AM

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The odd ratio of pure ingots really spice the things up. Have been thinkering about this before actually building

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I can now officially confirm that buffers don't cancel head lift. (made a bit of an oopsie before but the measure should be correct now)

📎 Pump_Headlift_Test_1_McGalleon.png

sand garnet May 20, 2020, 5:37 PM

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so they're just large pipes, confirmed

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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btw @glacial hemlock fixed the mistakes in the diagram

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i hope it really is free of errors now

tardy jetty May 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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this game is nuts

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i just brute force everything lol

fierce ruin May 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Me too.

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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if it works then congrats

fierce ruin May 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Whatever I need, I make. Math is for losers!

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Half the time it doesn't work or doesn't meet my criteria, but ehh!!

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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begone from this channel, math-hating demon!

fierce ruin May 20, 2020, 5:48 PM

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2+2 is 4.

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Is that math enough for ya?!?!

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:49 PM

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half the time i dont calculate stuff either. i just do something and if it works like i thought, hooray! otherwise: worry for 3 hours why it wont work

fierce ruin May 20, 2020, 5:49 PM

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The options are: Math for 30min, works perfectly.
OR
Build in 5min, breaks, troubleshoot for 2 hours.

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The 2nd one always wins...

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:51 PM

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ive never once built a factory based on calculations. perhaps, at times, i count how many machines i placed and how much power they gobble up and see if my power lines can handle it. most of the time they trip the breaker anyway

fierce ruin May 20, 2020, 5:51 PM

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The biggest math I do is power, too.

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I don't know why, usually i make way more power than i need.

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:52 PM

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for fluids, i just build something and it works. and if i feel like it i add the common "rules" to a graph like above and share it cuz, hoo boy at first people really had trouble with pipes and pumps

tardy jetty May 20, 2020, 5:55 PM

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ive just been using a website that does the math and sorting but i still just ramp everything to 100 and the extra is stored

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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100 of what?

oblique hollow May 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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100 percent efficiency ~~a dream that doesnt exist~~

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Its not always that simple. Underclocking is probably the most important feature for efficient design.

tardy jetty May 20, 2020, 6:04 PM

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this is what im working off of atm

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foggy sleet May 20, 2020, 6:05 PM

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can you send a readable version?

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Honestly im not a fan of that calculator’s map

sand garnet May 20, 2020, 6:06 PM

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the interactive map?

tardy jetty May 20, 2020, 6:06 PM

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same but is my first planned design and i only have abt 40 hrs rn

sand garnet May 20, 2020, 6:06 PM

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how dare you speak such vile words in this temple 😛

tardy jetty May 20, 2020, 6:06 PM

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https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner/index/index/concrete/1/wire/1/cable/1/screw/1/ironPlate/1/reinforcedIronPlate/1/copperSheet/1/steelPipe/1/steelBeam/1/encasedIndustrialBeam/1/modularFrame/1/rotor/1/stator/1/motor/1/smartPlating/1/versatileFramework/1/automatedWiring/1/direction/RIGHT/maxBeltSpeed/270/minerSpeed/2;pure

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

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o moved stuff (as in the pic) so the pic is my real layout roughly and the full map is there

upbeat tide May 20, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I prefer Daniel’s calc for sorting things

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https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/

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Just a cleaner look IMO

glacial hemlock May 20, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Once you get past a certain point, placing buildings, splitters and mergers become so obvious that you no need a calculator to tell you those minor details

wind spade May 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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and it shouldn't tell you even before. This should be a player's choice, any layout is opinionated unfortunately

shy mason May 21, 2020, 1:12 AM

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At this point I calculate a number of buildings to start off with to find room on the map for the base floor of buildings near the nodes I use

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:31 AM

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does anyone know of a formula for train loop time w/ efficiency?

wind spade May 21, 2020, 1:32 AM

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there's no formula, just calculate train's max throughput and compare to your required throughput

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:36 AM

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If your moving one resource, like sulfur for example, split the load into several freight cars and use both inputs and oututs for fast movement in and out of the train station. I also like to put buffer storage at the recieving and destination stations.

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:41 AM

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well the issue is we're trying to push 2500/m and however much of the sheets we make after this project is said and done

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we're trying to do 750 aluminum sheets a minute

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Where?

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I move my bauxite by belt because I use the swamp nodes, 2580 total

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No point to train it for me

wind spade May 21, 2020, 1:44 AM

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it's simple. Check how long the train takes to do a round trip. Multiply your desired input per minute with the amount of minutes the train takes to complete the loop. The result is how much storage the train needs to be able to handle that throughput. Take the number, divide by stack size times freight car size, round up and you get number of cars your train needs. Add one or two just to be sure and you're done

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:44 AM

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train takes about 5.5 minutes for a full loop without unloading anything

wind spade May 21, 2020, 1:44 AM

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unloading and loading takes 25 seconds each, no matter how many items are there

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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interesting

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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You can also use multiple trains, stations

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Dunno if its possible, but have you tried two trains per line? One loads while other is unloading?

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:49 AM

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wouldnt they collide during the docking process?

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:50 AM

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If timed to load and unload at the same time it should not be a issue

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Eg at opposite ends of the circuit

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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they dont clip on the track itself?

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Nope, but you can build the track as a big circle anyway as well

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:51 AM

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we're using double headed atm

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little cleaner

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Nice

candid apex May 21, 2020, 1:56 AM

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thank you

daring reef May 21, 2020, 2:00 AM

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So Im having a little trouble with some of my lines (and my math)... I need help turning 1x240 and 1x480 lines into 4x180. My mind is kinda shot rn and I cannot

wind spade May 21, 2020, 2:00 AM

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why 4x180?

daring reef May 21, 2020, 2:00 AM

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For the required input of my generators

wind spade May 21, 2020, 2:01 AM

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just connect each belt to the exact amount of gens it can run

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so connect the 240 belt to 16 gens and 480 belt to 32 gens (assuming they are coal gens)

daring reef May 21, 2020, 2:02 AM

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wait

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Ok, nvm, i was thinking i just ruined my build, but i was correct

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so I have 12 generators per floor though 😅

wind spade May 21, 2020, 2:03 AM

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alright if that's not an option, make it simple

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split 480 belt, so you have 3x240 belt

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connect each one to one line of gens

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take the overflow, merge, connect to last line

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something like this

480--S--12G--
     |       |
      --12G--M--12G
             |
240-----12G--

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Wouldnt it be far simpler to just manifold it?

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The 480 belt feeds 32, and simply stack the 240 above the 480 and feed more farther doen the line

wind spade May 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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well there are 4 manifolds in the image above

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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True, just attempting to simplify as there is no need to split to 180 belts imo is all

wind spade May 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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yeah that's true

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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And the coal to gen count is clean, makes it easier as well

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Build two rows of 24 coal gens, and send the coal down the middle.

fierce ruin May 21, 2020, 3:30 AM

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So I'm trying to determine if it's more efficient to run a pipeline to my coal generator right next to the coal miner, or to move the generator next to the water pump and conveyor the coal down.

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upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Depends on elevation. If you have to uplift water, build the coal gens near the water and belt the coal.

hazy pond May 21, 2020, 4:36 AM

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just want to make sure im thinking this thru correctly. to get the throughput of a train loop i take the number of items dropped off in one trip and divide by the time it takes to make a complete loop, correct?

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im a train noob and using cheap trains mod to get the resources i need for steel back to base, im mining 360/min each of coal and iron. after a bit of backup before i started the train it dropped off ~1300 coal each from 2 cars and same for iron. and it took ~6.5 mins to make the loop. so 2600 items / 6.5min = 400/min. so if my math is right my train can handle more than my miners are getting, correct?

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Sounds fine

I like to split my freight into multiple cars.

Like if I am moving lets say 600 raw quartz, I will divide it into 2 freight cars. I also use both inputs, and both outputs for faster material movement.

hazy pond May 21, 2020, 4:45 AM

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yeah i have 3 mk1 miners going into 2 cars via 120 belts, fastest i can do right now

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same set up for both coal and iron at 2 seperate stations in the same loop

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Nice

hazy pond May 21, 2020, 4:47 AM

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thanks for answering, ive been playing so long today im second guessing my maths lol

glacial hemlock May 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Once you got mk5, an easy number to remember is 4min 06sec

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This number marks when you should make a 2nd train or double train length. It only applies to mk5 belt and item stacked to 100

terse root May 21, 2020, 6:21 PM

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How many nuclear fuel rods per minute needs a nulear power plant?

upbeat tide May 21, 2020, 6:47 PM

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0.2/min

terse root May 21, 2020, 7:09 PM

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thx

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

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So, these three plans is my current master plan for my oll

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The 1800 rubber and plastic system

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Gonna double my turbofuel, this is already half built

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And finally a use for my impure node

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Im not gonna use the 800 resin from the turbofuel yet, im gonna make way more power than I would use with this

dawn pebble May 22, 2020, 5:00 AM

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@wind spade Update, Remember the other day I was complaining about not being able to unlock turbo fuel?

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I just figured out its behind the sulfur research in the MaM

wind spade May 22, 2020, 5:01 AM

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well you kinda need sulfur for compacted coal 🤔

dawn pebble May 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Yeah It unlocked after I got compacted coal in fact

wind spade May 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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uhhh... I think we were asking you whether you have unlocked compacted coal

bronze silo May 22, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Hey guys, how many coal plants do you tend to put with one water extractor?

summer field May 22, 2020, 9:13 AM

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8:3 if I'm being efficient, 6:2 if I'm being lazy.

bronze silo May 22, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Sweet

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I've struggled with more than 5:1 in the past.

summer field May 22, 2020, 9:14 AM

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yeah, 1 water extractor cannot supply that many coal gens.

bronze silo May 22, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Yeah, was getting dips.

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Currently am on 7:2 with 3 fluid tanks on the way up to the power factory. All 3 filled. 😁

dusky quail May 22, 2020, 10:29 AM

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I do 1 to 3 for starters - you basically cap out at 200 MW instead of 225

heady smelt May 22, 2020, 10:33 AM

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3 to 8 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

glacial hemlock May 22, 2020, 10:48 AM

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with underratio water extractors, expect power plants to have unexpected power trips. The water consumption and production of each building can be viewed by pressing 'E'

heady smelt May 22, 2020, 10:52 AM

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yeah, when doing power always plan for 100% consumption

fierce ruin May 22, 2020, 11:12 AM

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4:1.5 when i just unlock coal then 8:3 for the rest

heady smelt May 22, 2020, 11:14 AM

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i did 2 for 4 cause i was idiot there, and no OC researched too
then added 3rd and added another 4 gens

trim frigate May 22, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Does the coal consumption in coal generators vary with the electrical load?

oblique hollow May 22, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Yes

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Like with all generators

trim frigate May 22, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Thanks

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 1:49 PM

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hello, I'm just starting playing with Oil, and I spent quite a few hours building a skyway 2.5km from my base to a pure oil deposit. Now, if I get the math right, I could sustain 6 refineries with 1 oil extractor on the pure oil.

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I tried the calculator and I'm not too happy with the result....

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it doesn't redirect the top heavy oil residue to be reused

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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(and God, I hate pipes)

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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use that calc, it doesnt do weird things

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it wont tell you how to balance, but just shows totals

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also heavy oil residue is not reused in plastic or rubber with the standard recipes

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you can make it into petroleum coke and either sink or use it

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heavy oil residue, or HOR does become the most important byproduct, but you need a few alternates such as the recycled rubber, recycled plastic, diluted packaged fuel, heavy oil residue alt, etc. Thats endgame tho

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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thank you

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seems better

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also heavy oil residue is not reused in plastic or rubber with the standard recipes
@upbeat tide that's why i figured I'd make fuel out of it, at least it'll be useful. Now I got to think about l;ayout 🙂

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Aah, yes forgot about residual fuel, that works well too

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I do recommend getting some shards and overclocking your oil pump so that it spits out 300m3 a min

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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I've just started a few days ago, this is my 2nd attempt. my 1st attempt was ... very very messy. this one is slightly better. not pretty thou 😄

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and I discovered all the tool after the 2nd base of course. so I rebuilt part of it.... running out of 5 impure iron deposits didn't help 😄

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 1:58 PM

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-impure 150m3 @ 250% OC

normal 300m3 @ 250%
pure 600m3 @250%

But pipes are limited to 300, so if its pure you dont need all 3 shards.

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5 impure iron does stack up, alot of miners, sure but nothing to scoff at

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I didn't really pay attention to the quality when I setup camp 😄 I'm in the southwest corner .... and I haven't unlocked the map yet 😄

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Well, its good reference anyway

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You mean the islands? Oil field

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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yes

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base in the rectangle, skyroad to the oil

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upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Nice, good spot there

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Yea oil is in only 4 clusters on the map, and none are close 😄

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On the map select oil, impure, normal, and pure

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I need to upgrade my skyroad, it has only 1 belt now. So I'll need plastic/rubber + pipe for fuel at least to start.

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Will show them all

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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yes, but since I made the mistake with iron, I decided to go directly for pure oil this time 🙂

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Oil is too valuable to ignore the impures.

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Normals can fill a pipe to the max so dont ignore those too

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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2 pure and 2 normal at this location. so I'll start there 😄

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Yup, max of 1200m3 oil

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4 oil pipes at 300m3

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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thank you, gotta run 🙂

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Welcome.

fierce ruin May 22, 2020, 3:04 PM

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All this sky stuff makes me sad - everyones trying to bypass stuff 😦

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Weong channel for that comment, and why care how others build?

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In terms of asthetics

shy mason May 22, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I use rails for everything and only get creative with sky foundation building when scaling down a cliff to get down from red forest.

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and that comment is fine here for meta discussion, which can take into account building styles pros and cons and not just the math calculations.

fierce ruin May 22, 2020, 3:29 PM

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It has nothing to do with aesthetics, @upbeat tide. it just makes me sad when people throw away logic and just "fuck it, sky time"

meager parcel May 22, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I see convenience and efficiency over aesthetics I would rather have one long conveyor belt going across the sky than one that has to go thru twists and turns. I make my actually base decent looking but when transporting goods in from far distances I just wana get them back quickly. Thats me personally

heady smelt May 22, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I would rather have one long conveyor belt going across the sky than one that has to go thru twists and turns.

except that diagonal is shorter and more efficient so you contradict yourself

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but i agree
fps and efficiency > aesthetics. unless everything works and i get same fps then yeah i will do it cute

meager parcel May 22, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Yeah I get that but I’m struggling to get my brain around what you said surely a straight conveyer belt from point a to b is faster than something that has to weave In and out between rocks and sometimes up hills

dim thicket May 22, 2020, 4:28 PM

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There's different possible playstyles. One is "skybase"

fast thorn May 22, 2020, 5:05 PM

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That’s my latest base. I went to the edge of the map in the grasslands starting area to the south and built out over the void with foundations.

glacial hemlock May 22, 2020, 5:07 PM

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thats why, when you have like 10+ belts of material to transport over the same route, just use trains so it is rendered as a wagon instead of thousands of items on belts

eager pebble May 22, 2020, 5:25 PM

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is Compacted Steel Ingot considered as a good alternative ?

idle vigil May 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@eager pebble probably only if you have a bunch of extra sulfur and not enough steel... I'd rather used compacted coal as fuel

eager pebble May 22, 2020, 5:50 PM

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@idle vigil Thanks. Not the best one but not useless 🙂

idle vigil May 22, 2020, 5:53 PM

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@eager pebble I prefer the solid steel ingot

shy mason May 22, 2020, 5:55 PM

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compact steel uses the least amount of coal out of the steel options, so there's that if that's what you need. would make sense in a northern forest start as there's sulfur nodes there you don't really need until nuclear power.

idle vigil May 22, 2020, 5:56 PM

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@shy mason I use those for compacted coal generators

eager pebble May 22, 2020, 5:57 PM

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the solid one needs lingots instead of ore ? i don't really see the benefit , u need a fondry before the advanced fondry ?

shy mason May 22, 2020, 5:57 PM

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just an option, might do that personally when trying to further expand steel production for space elevator parts.

idle vigil May 22, 2020, 5:58 PM

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@eager pebble requires 2/3 the coal and steel

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*coal and iron for steel

shy mason May 22, 2020, 5:59 PM

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you just need a smelter for regular solid ingot usage, so not too complicated. or if you would prefer to stretch iron node even further you could use a refinery if you use the water + iron ore = iron ingot alt or foundry if you use iron + copper ore -> iron ingot recipe.

sudden saffron May 22, 2020, 8:55 PM

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All this sky stuff makes me sad - everyones trying to bypass stuff 😦
@fierce ruin I'm struggling with monsters and research and unlocking stuff... so less exploratiopn/fighting and more producing 🙂 (off to bed)

flat loom May 22, 2020, 10:34 PM

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how many fuel gens can be fueled by a 300 turbofuel pipe?

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 10:43 PM

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4.5m3 turbo a min

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66.66 total gens

flat loom May 22, 2020, 10:43 PM

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thx

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 10:44 PM

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My turbo pipes tend to be 250m3 tho. One 300m3 fuel pipe > turbo works out that way

flat loom May 22, 2020, 10:45 PM

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yeah mine are 250 aswell i just wanted to make sure i was in the right ballpark

upbeat tide May 22, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Yup. Should be 55.55 gens at a 250 turbo pipe

fierce ruin May 22, 2020, 11:38 PM

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skybase?

spark dove May 22, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Hey how many alt recipes are there for iron ingots? I have 3300 ore coming into a iron processing plant, I'm not sure how to get the most out of it

fierce ruin May 22, 2020, 11:49 PM

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pure iron ingot

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it used water and ore in a refinery

upbeat tide May 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Iron ore has 3 recipes

Normal, iron alloy ingot, and pure iron ingot

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Iron ally uses copper + iron ore in a foundry

fierce ruin May 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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copper is important for other stuff though

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and its a little rarer

upbeat tide May 23, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Agreed but it exists

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https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/iron-ingot

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Can someone help me with my mess. pls dm

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 6:44 PM

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maybe just ask your questions here

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or, if you're looking for people to play with, post in #looking-for-group-old

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 6:46 PM

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no with math

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How do you make 240 and 120 limestone in to 45

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 6:52 PM

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45 what

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what do you need 45 for

minor sphinx May 23, 2020, 6:54 PM

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you can decrease the clock speed so it produces around 45/m

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 6:57 PM

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@brisk plinth have you researched one of those green slugs in the MAM yet?

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 6:57 PM

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yea

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but

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also you need 45 limestone to make 15 concrete per min.

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 6:59 PM

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So, if you have a miner producing 120 limestone/min, and a constructor can turn 45 limestone/min into concrete, you have 2 options.

Underclock the miner so that it is producing 90 limestone/min, and split that into 2 constructors.
Split into 3 constructors, and underclock them to only consume 40 limestone/min each.

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:00 PM

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you can just make a manifold of constructors

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:00 PM

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You could also just split between 2 or 3 constructors and decide you don't care about the losses.

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:00 PM

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and underclock the last one

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:00 PM

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yea when I say "split" I mean manifold.

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I only have lv. 3 belts right now

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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thats 270 per min, thats plenty

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I can show you my miners

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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270 / 45 is 6, that's a good size for a manifold line.

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Leave some space on one side and you can make it longer later with faster belts

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:03 PM

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so you have perfect ratios then, problem solved

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:03 PM

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sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:04 PM

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connect it to a row of 6 constructors in LITERALLY any way you want and you're done.

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Ofc the only way to fill a mk3 belt is going leave you with excess limestone. You could underclock or sink it. (Sinking is a lot more viable if you are on exp due to the new overflow).

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Or, again, you could do neither and it's fine.

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:04 PM

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3 Lv. 3 drills

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how do I divide it

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:05 PM

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he doesnt have overflow yet

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I see now

sand garnet May 23, 2020, 7:06 PM

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and isnt on EX so just accept the less than optimal setup

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you're much too early game to worry about doing a perfect build

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Put a line of constructors in a row all facing the same direction. In front of the input end of each constructor, place a splitter lined up with the hole. On the other side place a merger lined up with the output. Belt it all together.

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---S--S--S--S
   |  |  |  |
   C  C  C  C
   |  |  |  |
---M--M--M--M

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S = Splitter, C = Constructor, M = Merger
Works for any machine.

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I'm trying to make Encased Industrial Beams

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as fast as possible

regal crystal May 23, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Does anybody know a site to construct the most efficient build?

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Like, a site that helps you achieve that

fierce ruin May 23, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Yes

brisk plinth May 23, 2020, 7:11 PM

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The only thing needed is the hard concrete automated

tall sluice May 23, 2020, 7:11 PM

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https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

regal crystal May 23, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@tall sluice Tnx!

woeful skiff May 23, 2020, 7:12 PM

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So you managed to automate the steel beams and also advance this far into the game and you are struggling with setting up concrete production. I don't understand.

dusty halo May 23, 2020, 7:38 PM

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to be fair i've kinda done the same

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left no space for concrete 😢

trim frigate May 23, 2020, 7:54 PM

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How much fuel can one fuel generator take? Maximum

dusty halo May 23, 2020, 8:07 PM

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bruh how does the fuz ekeep blowing

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when i have no new machines.

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i went for a shit, come back. Powers out.

fierce ruin May 23, 2020, 8:33 PM

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@dusty halo Inefficient design, no doubt.

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Your machines should be working 24/7
Or your power should assume they are.

fresh elm May 23, 2020, 8:36 PM

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otherwise you will randomly have your stuff power down when things have to spin up

dusty halo May 23, 2020, 8:44 PM

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truth be told, i was pretty sure they were all going 24/7

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so something must be wrong somehwere uh oh

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but thanks for the answer, at least now i kno what to look for

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I can see on one of my power poles the consumption is jumping around 50 MW

fresh elm May 23, 2020, 9:12 PM

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well, trains will do that, for example

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you have to expect some amount of variation just because of things like that

upbeat tide May 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Thats why I build buffers before and after a train.

Split up the load into multiple freight cars, and use both output/inputs on the freight station itself

fresh elm May 23, 2020, 10:27 PM

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oh I was talkign about the power flux

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trains accelerating and slowing down will use diff amounts of power

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so once you start using trains at least you will never see perfectly flat consumption

upbeat tide May 23, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Ooh, yea thats true

pulsar mauve May 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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im new to the game and was wondering whats the best like base build i guess i dont know how else to put it

fierce ruin May 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

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its a sandbox game, it doesnt matter

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the only thing that really matters is ~~lizard doggos~~ efficiency

heady smelt May 23, 2020, 11:32 PM

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wrong
the only thing that really matters is player's fun

pulsar mauve May 23, 2020, 11:45 PM

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is there not a certain way to make something in order to make it more efficient, like a certain strategy

dim thicket May 23, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Honestly the best part of the game is discovering how to play it efficiently

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But if you want spoilers, I'd suggest searching this discord for "manifold"

heady smelt May 23, 2020, 11:53 PM

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well yeah manifolds just... whenever you want to balance things out, go make 10 pushups

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:10 AM

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what's a good way of splitting 240 ore output to maximize ingot creation if the recipe is 3 ore/ ingot and it says capacity is 15/min ingot production?

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i know that they'll need to be fed with 45/min lines but how do i go about splitting

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Do you have mk3 belts?

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:14 AM

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yes i do have those available

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Just manifold it then

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:14 AM

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manifold?

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:15 AM

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---S--S--S--S
   |  |  |  |
   C  C  C  C
   |  |  |  |
---M--M--M--M

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C is whatever your feeding

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:15 AM

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S is splitter and M is merger or manifold?

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Merger yea

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The process is called a manifold.

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Pros, easy to balance, attach everything to one belt.

Cons things can take a while to get to 100%. Each machine needs to fill to its internal storage capacity, then the next and the next, but after a bit they will work perfectly

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:18 AM

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ahh ok

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:18 AM

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looks a bit pointles of a chart unless your sorting iteams

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:18 AM

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It has nothing to do with sorting

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:19 AM

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so there's really no way to get it to split down to the proper numbers immediately then

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:19 AM

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That said manufolds will work with sorting, you just need peogramable splitters

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There is but its messy

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Ah I see the aplicate of this now

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:19 AM

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not really worth the time for the messy i imagine

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:19 AM

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crafty

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:20 AM

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240
120/120
60/60/60/60
30/30/30/30/30/30/30/30

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Not gonna bother with the 15 row, you get the point

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Do IT!

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:20 AM

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ahh then you merge a 15 into a 30

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Basiclly you stop at whatever the input is

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If you do it that way

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:22 AM

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the splitter can divide by 3's as well not too shabby to get a common denominator this way but this is way to effective for me

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240- 120/120 -40/40/40/40/40/40- interesting

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:23 AM

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it'd be harder to do it if you split them by 3s though if you need 45 for the input

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Split once, split each once more

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Ywa 240 doesnt split well into 3’s. First split is 80/80/80 tho

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:23 AM

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what about increasing the input by like a fraction

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Not a option if 240 is your throughput

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Plus overclocking equipment isnt kind on your power grid

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Its better to underclock than over

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:24 AM

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you just need 270with a overclock with the /2 to /3

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i mean do as you wish you can always just over fill and keep the converyor full

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:25 AM

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OP said 240, so gotta stick with that

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:25 AM

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yea it's a pure caterium node with a mk 2

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:26 AM

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hmmm okay give me a second

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:26 AM

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You can put a shard in it and take it to 270 tho

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:26 AM

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might as well set it all up before i actually need the stuff later on

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i'd need a steady supply of those bugging slugs

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:26 AM

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270 caterium is enough for 6 smelters

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And here is just manifold. Simpler, less space

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:27 AM

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1 should be fine since it takes it to 150% but the numbers get messy if you go for exsact

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like when they add in 12.6 per min stuff

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:28 AM

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ouch

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:28 AM

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That 6 smelters will make you 90 ingots, which can support 7.5 constructors making quickwire

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Which ends up at 450 a min

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:29 AM

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or about 1 stack a minute

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Yup

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If you have these two alts:

Pure Caterium Ingot
Fused Quickwire

Your end result is soo much better

jovial crystal May 24, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Sounds sick, I need to do somethign similar with uranium eventuly. This chat experiance opened up new views for my near future. Thanks boys

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:30 AM

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how far down the research is the pure caterium ingot? or is that a hd thing?

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Hard drive alt

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:31 AM

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ahh

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i have yet to find one i can reach, though i think i know where one is i just have to platform to it

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and have to get the gas masks for the others that ive found but can't get yet

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so the manifold thing, i put my smelters in a line starting at the left M?

plain dew May 24, 2020, 12:33 AM

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JUST GOT THIS GAME AND ALREADY ON A 4 HOUR BINGE

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Here is the power of those alts

Same 270 caterium a min

11.25 refineries

270 caterium ore
270 water

Makes 135 ingots a min

Fused quickwire

7.5 caterium ingots
37.5 copper ingots (675 ingots)

Makes 90, in 18 assemblers

You will make 1620 quickwire

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:35 AM

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that's some crazy stuff for the alt recipes

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 12:35 AM

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You rarely need more than 1 caterium node before tier 6, and getting a second caterium node at tier 7 is a nice upgrade

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:36 AM

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yea i'm just starting my tier 6 stuff now

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but i unlocked caterium pretty early as i found some small 1 shots

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Good stuff to sink for points until you want to use it

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:43 AM

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true

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too bad the awesome store doesn't have caterium upgraded wall poles

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Just keep a stack of 500 quickwire on you, will last you a good bit

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:44 AM

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ohh yea defintitely will

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Or set it up so it stores the quickwire in a container before sinking

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:44 AM

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ohh is there anything bigger than the industial storage containers yet?

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:45 AM

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More industrial storage containers

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Flip it, stack on top and put elevators going up and down

marble mist May 24, 2020, 12:46 AM

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so 48 is the maximum at the current time unless you're talking about vehicles and such.... ahh good point

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 7:51 AM

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hello, I didn't find a calculator for oil power, so the wiki has this:

📎 unknown.png

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is that ok ? 1 oil pump / 2 refineries / 5 fuel generators ?

frank berry May 24, 2020, 8:04 AM

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can someone help me with powering my coal gens

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i am pretty new to the game

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 8:29 AM

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isolate them from main network, built a biomass burner, kickstart them, then conect to main network, then destroy biomass burner

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that's how I did it 🙂

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 8:43 AM

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@frank berry here you go https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Coal_Generator

Satisfactory Wiki

Coal Generator

The Coal Generator is a building that generates Power by using Coal and Water. It is the first fully automate-able power source the player has access to and also the first power source to use a mined resource.
See Tutorial:Setting up Coal power for a step-by-step tutorial on...

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 8:46 AM

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wait until you get to oil, that's where I am .... crude -> fuel + polymer resin -> use fuel to make power, but got to use polymer resin or it will stack and stop fuel and stop power ....

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at least with coal, there's no by-products 😄

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I have 1 oil pump, 2 refineries for fuel, 5 fuel generators. and 3 refineries making recycled plastic with 1 water pump. but that means I get to use the plastic ... 😄 (which is NOT a problem, one can never have enough plastic)

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 8:49 AM

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at start of tier 5, about 200 to 300 plastic is enough. At tier 7 once you want to bump up the production, 900 plastic / min is good to go

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these numbers are not easily achievable with original recipes

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:19 AM

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I'm probably not optimal, got 5 refineries making plastic from crude oil, heavy oil recycled to fuel, and 3 refineries making plastic from polymer resin+water

frank berry May 24, 2020, 9:23 AM

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thnxx

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:25 AM

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📎 Plastic_production_schematic.png

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hopefully this gives you an idea.

📎 Plastic_production_plan.png

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:31 AM

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WOW ! in red here, that's the number of buildings ?

📎 unknown.png

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:31 AM

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yes

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:32 AM

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ok, that's the thing I was miissing on this calculator then 😄

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that's huge 😄 I work on a much smaller scale 😄

heady smelt May 24, 2020, 9:32 AM

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not necessarily number of buildings, but number of 100% buildings

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:33 AM

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true, observe how i underclocked some of the buildings.

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there are some rounding errors here and there, but should be close enough

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:33 AM

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that's already 5400 concrete just for fondations 😄 😄 (30x30x6)

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:34 AM

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that is nothing compared to a decent mega base

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:34 AM

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so if I wanted to build something like this, I'd had to optimize everything in lower tier first 😄

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:35 AM

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since the maximum foundation building speed is 2 foundations per second, you want your concrete production to be close to 1200 concrete / min.

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I am producing 200 / min concrete so far, but is good enough

heady smelt May 24, 2020, 9:36 AM

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i think if there are breaks to think etc just having big storage for it is good enough

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:38 AM

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my mess (main base)

📎 Screenshot20200524-11374700000.png

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 9:39 AM

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ok?

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:40 AM

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lol, I'm at 45/mn for concrete 🙂

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 9:41 AM

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i have one normal node not overclocked

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so 45 as well

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I've absolutely not optimized concrete and copper.

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I've optimized quickwire production, and coal (maybe)

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iron is ok-ish I guess

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because I run on 5 impure nodes so I had to

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anyway, time for a break, have fun guys 🙂

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 9:50 AM

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have fun.

pulsar mauve May 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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when do you unlock coal?

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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tier 3

pulsar mauve May 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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ah ok

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thank you

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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which is after space elevator one

safe badger May 24, 2020, 10:11 AM

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1 Stator = 3 Pipe + 8 wire, takes 12 seconds per

I know how to get time & ingredient amounts based on Total Desired Products amounts

EG 5 Stators: 
Time = 5 Stators Divided by Original Amount | 5/1=5 (5 times the original amount per min)
Ingredient A (Pipes) = Multiplier X Ingredient A (Source) | 5x3=15 
Ingredient B (Wire)  = Multiplier X Ingredient A (Source) | 5x8=40

But how do I go about knowing about how much of Ingredient A (Pipes) + Ingredient B (Wire) = product amount ?

I'm not sure how to reverse this… - i'm a tad stuck... been a while since i've used math..
Anyone good with math could give me an example + formula?
As I'm trying to make a simple spreadsheet to help me check the numbers based on certain situations…
i know there are calculator sites out there but i want to be able to calc this manually from every angle...

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:13 AM

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by pipes do you mean copper sheet?

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Steel pipes if it's the default recipe

safe badger May 24, 2020, 10:18 AM

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📎 Screen_Shot_2020-05-24_at_8.13.46_pm.jpg

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:20 AM

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I don't think I understand the question.

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At some point, you just have to choose how many of something per minute you want the factory to produce.

safe badger May 24, 2020, 10:22 AM

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ok say i'm getting 30 pipe & 80 wire per min how do i calculate that into giving me how many Stators it will give me? before i even construct the factory?

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Ok, well we know that a single assembler makes 5 stator/min out of 15 pipe/min + 40 wire/min.

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we have 80 wire.

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80 / 40 is 2, so we'll use 2 assembers.

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5 stator/min x 2 = 10 stators / min

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I use per minute rates for my math, but you could use the 1 = 3 + 8 numbers instead -- end result will be the same if you are consistent.

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It's just a matter of if you do the 12 seconds per item multiplier before or after

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Since different recipes produce at different rates, the math is simplified if you convert the numbers to per minute rates right away.

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:29 AM

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what is the increase in effeciency for a non hab biomass burner if you use solid biofuel created in a constructor opposed to biomass

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:31 AM

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2.5

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:31 AM

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really?

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that seems a bit high.

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:31 AM

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You can check my math, look at the table on this page: https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Biomass_Burner

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:31 AM

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and a fair bit too smooth

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:32 AM

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I am assuming the data on the wiki is correct.

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:32 AM

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that doesnt match what im asking

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Ok then once again I misunderstand the question

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:35 AM

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when you take account how much energy the constructor uses

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what would be the increase?

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:37 AM

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ok, well
180 = MJ : 1 biomass
450 = MJ : 1 biofuel
So I did I did 180 / 450 = 2.5
... so to add the constructor in there, a single biomass 🡒 biofuel takes 4 MJ per biofuel produced but consumes 2 biomass to make 1 biofuel.

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🤔

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I've confused myself on the conversion of MJ to MW I think.

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Would 180 / (450 - 8) be right?

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If so that is pretty negligible.

safe badger May 24, 2020, 10:44 AM

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yep cheers for that earlier got my spreadsheet working 😉

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 10:49 AM

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A solid biofuel contains 450 MJ, and it requires 4MJ + 2* 4MJ to craft, so the net energy is 438 MJ

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a biomass, instead only contain 180MJ, and it require 4 MJ to craft, giving net energy of 176 MJ per item.

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:50 AM

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i craft biomass by hand so it doesnt take any energy from me

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and biofuel

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Can you explain 4MJ + 2* 4MJ ? Is that just the biomass to biofuel or did you add another machine in there?

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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how does biomass take the same amount of energy to craft

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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as 2 biomass is 352 MJ, the gain multiplier from crafting solid Biofuel is 1.244

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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it needs like 2 work

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and sold fuel is like 10 work

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for less result

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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constructor has a fixed power usage

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

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but wont it have produced more

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

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apart from overclocking and less %

boreal shard May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

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so there is less cost be produced biomassed?

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

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idk i handcraft it

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0 cost other than a little time

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

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ok never mind you don't need to explain 4MJ + 2* 4MJ anymore, I got it.

orchid dome May 24, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Maybe an odd question but I guess this is the best channel for it.

Is there a (problem) name or algorithm type linked with production chain calculations like Satisfactory/Factorio/Mindustry etc (in constrained space)? Searched for a while but could not find something in academia/research that seems to fit beside some graph theory or very domain specific things for small parts of the problem.

I can always use pen&paper, ML or evolutionary computing but wanted to know if there is a more general approach, since this kind of problem appears in many games I love. Hints or search words are greatly appreciated :)

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 10:53 AM

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great, that 12 MJ means for both constructors for biomass and biofuel

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 10:53 AM

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the calculator site?

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 10:53 AM

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https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator this is good for macro planning

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if you want micro planning, try https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

heavy vortex May 24, 2020, 11:22 AM

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ok say i'm getting 30 pipe & 80 wire per min how do i calculate that into giving me how many Stators it will give me? before i even construct the factory?
@safe badger

if you have A pipe and B wire then you will have min(A/3, B/8)stators

because 1 stator = 3 pipe + 8 wire

for example 30 pipes and 90 wire : min(30/3,90/8) = min(10, 11.25) = 10 stators, 10 wire spared
or 40 pipes and 80 wire : min(40/3,80/8) = min (13.333, 10) = 10 stators, 10 pipes spared

in general if Y = x1 + x2 + ... + xn, xi being the quantity of element number i to make 1 Y (if needed the base equation can be normalized)
you see how much Y you can make by just calculating E = min(e1/x1, e2/x2,..., en/xn) where ei are the quantity you have on hands, its assumed that for all i ei/xi > 1 or you wouldn't able to make a single Y.
And if a single factory (either a constructor, assembler or a manufacturer) produces n Y at 100% then you need E/n factories

The spared parts are calculated with the formula spared_i = ei - E*xi for each element i, the limiting factor obviously being at 0.

it's a bottom up approach i don't recommend
i prefer a top down approach, you want a final product, you go down from that to the ore you will need to make it happen

safe badger May 24, 2020, 11:35 AM

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@heavy vortex thx for the explanation, but that's a bit advanced 4 me.. i work better with full examples..

it seems i'm stuck again.. & the Time Multiplier is calculated using the Ingredient amount / Original Amount which is 3 | 30/3=10

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-05-24_at_9.19.13_pm.jpg

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 11:44 AM

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What numbers are you starting with?

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You can get these numbers from several places expressed in different ways, eg. the codex, or by looking at the UI of the machine after choosing the recipe, or from the wiki.

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You seem to be calculating a number that is a given. A constructor produces 20 iron plate /min using the standard recipe.

heavy vortex May 24, 2020, 11:48 AM

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2 iron plate = 3 iron ingots

if you normalize it's 1 iron plate = 3/2 iron ingot

if you get 10 and not 20 that's because you do 30/(3*10)*10 which is wrong, it's 30/(3/2) and it's 20 as expected

safe badger May 24, 2020, 11:49 AM

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i'm referencing them from the original recipes..

📎 1.jpg

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Ok so your using the numbers to create a single output item from some number of input items over some amount of time to derive the number of outputs per minute?

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(which you could just type in from the original recipe... but 🤷 )

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I can't tell from the spreadsheet what you are really trying to solve, and which numbers you are typing in and which are calculated.

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Why chart this way? Its kinda weird to base your calculations off how much the machine makes per cycle instead of at the per minute level

heavy vortex May 24, 2020, 11:54 AM

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your stator formula is wrong aswell, because the wire is not a factor in your formula
if i ask you to do the same calculus but with 150 pipes and still 40 wire, it's going to tell you 50 stators yet you won't be able to make more than 5.

safe badger May 24, 2020, 11:54 AM

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the ones in purple for each section are the values i want to change & in Red are the ones that are supposed to be calculated...

📎 Calc.xlsx

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 11:55 AM

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For example, this is my steel comparison chart. Its based on belt speed and per minute throughput

📎 image0.jpg

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 11:58 AM

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The only way to change the purple number is to over/under clock the machine. It's an odd way to work this out but sure, it can work if you want to do it that way.

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I cannot look at the doc, no excel on my phone

safe badger May 24, 2020, 11:59 AM

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/nmgbnb4xqcp8lcz/Calc.xlsx?dl=0

Dropbox

Calc.xlsx

Shared with Dropbox

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 11:59 AM

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Yea, I'm on my computer which also does not have excel.

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I probably wouldn't open an .xlsx from some rando on discord anyway tbh

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I dont have mobile 365 either so doesnt help, just google sheets on this device

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True

safe badger May 24, 2020, 12:00 PM

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1 sec i'll upload to google..

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:00 PM

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You've answered my question at this point anyway

safe badger May 24, 2020, 12:02 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RWUJ1axJvUOKMi74MPaWf0vRCsBQ9IXl/edit

Google Docs

Satisfactory Calc.xlsx

SatisFactory Calc

Product Name,Product (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Time Taken (Seconds),Base Calc,Product Name,Desired Amount Per Min,Ingredient Name
I...

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:08 PM

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My calculation design

Base off what I want
Base off throughput, belt speeds and pipe capacity
Allow for underclocking, disallow overclocking
Estimate structure requirement

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:12 PM

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@safe badger your time multiplier column isn't taking into account the # of items produced.
You calculated 60 seconds / minute divided by 6 seconds / iron plate
But should be 60 seconds / minute divided by 6 seconds / 2 iron plate

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Sometimes it is fascinating how other peoples brains work.

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(In that I would never find myself wanting to make these calculations this way... not that you are doing it wrong or anything)

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But I do think you may be overcomplicating the questions you are trying to answer for yourself.

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well you are doing it wrong but the approach itself isn't wrong just the math 🙂

heavy vortex May 24, 2020, 12:16 PM

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My calculation design

Base off what I want

Base off throughput, belt speeds and pipe capacity

Allow for underclocking, disallow overclocking

Estimate structure requirement
@upbeat tide

Yeah that's what a said above.
It's the top down approach.
That's the best one imo.

The bottom up can be useful to use leftovers. Like you already use 720 iron ore from an OC mine, you have 60 spared and can think of what to do with them. But no one usually try to produce a lot of base products to try after that to find what to do with them.

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:17 PM

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For the record, I think pmt and Verios are right -- a different approach would serve you better. But I still don't mind trying to help you get your approach to work if you're dead set on it.

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Yea, top down is the most efficient way. Such as for some of my major projects like alclad, I started with bottom top, but just to find out how much I could make based off bauxite limits. Then switched it to top bottom once I had my max production capability...which is 819 for that project

heady smelt May 24, 2020, 12:19 PM

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explain a bit top down and down top diff? so i am on same page

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Top down is calculating based off the end product. Lets say you want 10 computers. You then go down the production tiers

Bottom top is the opposite. You base your production on what you have and wind up with whatever end goal the math says

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:21 PM

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In their visualization, the final product is the at the top of the tree and the inputs are at the bottom, so "top down" means working from final product you want to produce and "bottom up" means working from what raw mats you have available.

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Both are effective, such as how I doscribed in my alclad example. Especially for the endgame products that use rare resources

safe badger May 24, 2020, 12:24 PM

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i'm somewhat set on it as i want to inspect say how many ingredients i am getting down the line belt/pipe and to be able to make adjustments to a current build without rebuilding it from scratch.
for me i need to be able to visualise it from both angles...

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Your gonna have to embrace the rebuild.

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Add pure ingot to your system, decide upon fused quickwire, learned how to turn one oil into 3 rubber or plastic, yea rebuilds will happen

safe badger May 24, 2020, 12:27 PM

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i want to be able to upgrade & modify with ease Up & Down the line 😉

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:28 PM

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I hear you, but once you add in new alternates that double or triple your end result, you most likely will have to change everything up

safe badger May 24, 2020, 12:29 PM

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or say i get a line to much resources i want to be able to calculate from the amount being sent to how much i can produce.. etc...

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Other than making an existing line longer w/o changing it's recipe that isn't really effective. For that type of refactoring I consider each line of machines working on a single recipe as "unit", and those units generally have to just be replaced and replumbed if their recipe changes. (occassionally you can do in in-place recipe swap, but generally you just can't)

heavy vortex May 24, 2020, 12:30 PM

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for bottom up, i repeat

if you want to know how many super computers you can build

and you have :

6 computers/min
17 AI limiters/min
11 high speed connectors/min
13 plastic/min

all you need to do is go look at the base equation : https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Supercomputer

and either you look at the normalized equation or at the one of the manufacturer that's not important but take the min of (what you have / the number in the equation)

in that case it's min(6/3.75, 17/3.75, 11/5.625, 13/52.5) = 0.247

with this input at max you'll be running a manufacturer at 24.7%

and that's it

that's an example of applying the general equation stated in my first post

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and 24.7% of a manufacturer is 1.875*0.247 = 0.46 supercomputer

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the formula shows that's everything can be bottlenecked by limiting factors
if we had 52.5 plastic it would be a manufacturer at 100%, and almost 2 manufacturer if even more plastic.

woeful skiff May 24, 2020, 12:39 PM

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@safe badger bottom line the problem I see with your spreadsheet is that for the output column ("Desired Amount Per Minute"), it depends on how many items the machine spits out -- your "Product (Single)" column -- BUT nowhere in your calculation is the value of "Product (Single)" used in the calculation for "Desired Amount Per Minute".

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 12:40 PM

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And another example, oil products. You kinda have to do a bottom to top approach, just because oil is scarse.

For example you want to make plastic via the basic recipe. You have one full oil pipe, 300m3. That can support 10 refineries, which will make 200 plastic and 100 heavy oil residue.

You can then turn that heavy oil into petroleum coke and use it.

This is a early oil example. Alternates complicate the system like crazy but end result is stupid, for example you can turn 300 oil into 900 plastic or rubber with alternate exploitation. Will use something like 80+ refineries though

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This is that endgame system but expanded to a rediculous level. Currently just need to pipe up the recycled rubber and add the final belts, this will be built.

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sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 1:22 PM

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320 buildings, LMAO

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well, I'm at the point where I'm happy with 2 pure quartz node and 6 contructors

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gotta go and get that quartz back to base....

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 1:49 PM

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And thats only half. The other half does turbofuel. Same system up to the diluted fuel stage, but turbofuel after. And the resin isnt used there at all

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@sudden saffron cheap silica + pure quartz crystal FTW

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 1:53 PM

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@upbeat tide you mean I should NOT have transformed the quartz on site but brought is raw.... and then split to crystals / silica ?

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I hate myself now 😄

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Nah you can do at site just as easy

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Those alts just make quartz go a longer way

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 1:55 PM

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but if I transform quartz to crystals and silica at the node, I need 2 belts to bring it to base

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 1:55 PM

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In tne end it depends on what your using it for.

I currently use 2 normal nodes for quartz crystals and 2 others for cheap silica.

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 1:56 PM

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and my steel processing sucks

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so I have to redo it.

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Solid steel ingot, unless you make obcene amounts of petroleum coke.

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 1:57 PM

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very messy

glacial hemlock May 24, 2020, 2:22 PM

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a few belts of steel ingots can last very long, unless you are using the steel ingot for those unnecessary items.

fierce ruin May 24, 2020, 2:24 PM

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counterpoint: unnecessary items + grinder = tickets

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 2:25 PM

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got now 6 foundries running for steel ingots

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time for a break and a snack 🙂

safe badger May 24, 2020, 2:25 PM

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ok i think i worked it out.... the spreadsheet.. seems to be reflecting the proper values now... (got to complicated trying to use multiple ingredients so i settled on 1 which changes everything else accordingly...)
multiplier is calculated from ingredient amount per which in turn gives me product per...
Product amount = original amount to make the original amount X the Multiplier
The Multiplier = ingredients coming in per min / original amount of ingredients per min.

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 3:05 PM

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If you inted to share it, consider adding some notes, and change the cell color to indicate which values are manually entered vs calculated 🙂

safe badger May 24, 2020, 3:08 PM

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i'm kinda lazy will see... need to fully test it in a build 2 make sure that calculations aren't off... (hopefully)
might add some more complexity to it to take power & machines & overclocking etc into account...
still need needs work as i need to port over every recipe in... sigh

fringe wind May 24, 2020, 5:43 PM

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does anyone know the name of the software where this was made?

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candid rain May 24, 2020, 5:44 PM

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powerpoint + lots of time? :p

snow bear May 24, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Anyone know a good way to build a 10 x 10 factory i want to build one side with storage and keep building up to be abel to make an efficient factory

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I already have coal power so power won't be a concern I just want to start getting to steel assap

sudden saffron May 24, 2020, 6:19 PM

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does anyone know the name of the software where this was made?
@fringe wind have you checked the desciption of the video ?

fringe wind May 24, 2020, 6:26 PM

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yep

round orbit May 24, 2020, 8:02 PM

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@fringe wind Try Draw.io

fringe wind May 24, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I don't think that's it but its basically what I'm looking for thank you

round orbit May 24, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I think specifically he uses Lucidchart but you have to pay for it

upbeat tide May 24, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Theres alot of variants, draw.io is a free one.

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Lucidchart, Visio, and a few others are paid examples

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Hmmm I wonder if I can get my 1,200 water generators too run off of a pure oil node with turbo fuel mix.

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I think i am going to be short cause i need to get 24,000 mw total just for water lol

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Excuse me 300 m3 per min oil node mix

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:08 AM

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300m3 oil will at max produce 666.66m3 turbofuel a min

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Thats 148.14 fuel gens and 22,221MW

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There is no way to use poly resin to make more fuel sadly

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System itself uses 90 refineries, 22 assemblers

11 heavy oil residue
14 package water
14 diluted fuel
14 unpackage fuel
14 (x2) turbofuel
9 turbofuel

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The 11 refineries for HOR is my preference, makes a 300 pipe and a 100 pipe. Split the refineries into 7.5/2.5

fresh elm May 25, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I like to use that resin to do stuff like make filters

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convenient byproduct

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Sooo I need like 2 sets of 300 m3 oil to get the power I need

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yup

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I got 1 set up So i can work on getting the second one set up eventualy

fresh elm May 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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if you want to do the same thing but don't have turbofuel, it will yield about 4GW of power / 300 m3 of oil

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so the turbofuel is a huge stretch for it

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I think

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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8GW

fresh elm May 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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oh right

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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But yea difference is huge

fresh elm May 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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sorry that was per 200

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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yeah but when your are running 1,200 water turbines power will be shutting down quickly and i got my city to still feed with power 🙂

fresh elm May 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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cuz I didn't do the pipes the same way as others I underfilled all of mine at 200

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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My turbo pipes are either at 250 or 166.6

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Based off a 300 or 200 fuel supply

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I think I am running 300 m3 off turbo fuel out of my main pumps at the moment but i havent placed all the fuel generators yet i am at like 30 out of the 110 or so

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I'm about to swap a 2700 oil/1800 fuel facility over to ~1500 turbofuel. Can't quite do your setup cuz it's not making enough polymer resin and I need the plastic elsewhere (the elsewhere a monorail takes all the plastic, in fact)

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Dont use resin from fuel production for plastic or rubber

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Unless your using 95%+ its capacity

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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trash it

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Or make fiber like stated above

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And deal with the slowdowns

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I was making coke with it the excess heavy oil but i have like no use for it anymore, I have way too much alinumium

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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yeah I've made a couple of mistakes in this playthrough but that was the point. Big thing I've learned this time around is just how much the alt recipes can improve things. Some of em are terrible, some are interesting but rarely useful, and some change the whole game.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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There is never too much alclad 🙂

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Until you hit the absolute max anyway, 2476 a min

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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like I can't believe I ever made steel out of coal and iron ore 😛

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Solid steel is far superior to coke steel tho

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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that a bunch. No i got like 20 industrual sized conatines full of the stuff for mk5 conveyor and got enough for battiers and heat sinks i am good

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I have 3 steel mills, 1 each using solid, coke and compacted

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Sulfur is too valuable to use in steel imo

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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"valuable" is as much a function of the location as of the resource itself

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if there happens to be more sulfur somewhere you want more steel....

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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There is a max of 6840 sulfur on the map. Once you make big turbofuel or nuclear there wont be much left

jovial crystal May 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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are there pure uranium nodes on this map?

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Nope

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Just 3 normal

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Lets say you want to go abaolute bananas nuclear and max it out, which is 94.4 nuclear rods a min you will need 3101 sulfur

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Lil under half total map supply

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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I have 200 hours on this save and have yet to touch uranium. I'm aware sulfur's finite but I'm alone and not a von neumann probe

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Homestly im arguing against my own opinion 😄

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Because 94.4 rods is absolutely insane

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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run everything on trucks powered by uranium cells

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Lol

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Dunno if they even take those

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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they do

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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My turbofuel plan is to use 1200 oil for it, will make 2666.66 turbo.

Gonna use almost 2200 coal/sulfur and my plan is to use the last of it for black powder

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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vehicles will run on any fuel, even just packaged heavy oil residue, which won't burn in anything else (generator, chainsaw, jetpack, etc)

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I haven't tried packaged water. They probably thought of that.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Lol

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Only packaging I do is for diluted fuel so far

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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if you could make jugs of sulfuric acid I bet cars would run on em

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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how the heck do you run a car on water lmfao

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:35 AM

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They are “magic” cars

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:35 AM

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yeah ok show me your car that'll run on a pile of leaves OR a nuclear fuel rod and then tell me water's ridiculous 😛

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I just wosh truck stops took liquid

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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LOL

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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them and vehicles yeah

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love 2 waste plastic jugs

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Id gladly pipe some fuel straight to the truck stops

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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"car that'll run on a pile of leaves"

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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And then we need a liquid truck lol

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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it'd make a truck stop anywhere near water handy

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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lol that is not something you usually hear

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:36 AM

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cuz you could conveyor/truck in solid biofuel

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JUST ADD WATER and presto, liquid fuel

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:37 AM

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You cannot automate biofuel, thus hard to maintain

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Especially en masse

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:37 AM

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not at present, without mods

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:37 AM

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you can semi-automate it

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well you need to still gather it but you can make a leaf->biofuel machine

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or whatever they're called

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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and yeah unless you're running a JB Hunt size fleet of trucks, I imagine random leaves, trees, carapaces etc you gather would be enough to feed the system

bronze marlin May 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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factory thing idk

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 3:38 AM

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When your building your new outpost away from main base for 50 hours, fully automated becomes needed

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:39 AM

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honestly farm mod's whole fertilizer-biomass thing is currently too good/effective. each biomass refinery should cost at least as much fert as growing berries

safe badger May 25, 2020, 6:16 AM

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[Treat This as a Demo] Google Public Ver: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J4uke2s_leqZwQCKeUnbFedVJgL0Ys_hBuYcffaq2Qg/edit (Dropdown works) [V1.2] - this will be unavailable at times as big changes take a while to port the google docs. [link may CHANGE every major update]

Note: to use dropdowns, select Data Tab 1st, then switchback.

[Stabe, DL your own copy]

Excel Ver (Google) (Dropdown lists won't work since its read-only): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wbIPRvedUG_2TkhwKhBGzXAa2ygumk6E/view [V1.2]

[the one i'm working on daily]

Most up to date ver (Dropbox): https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeys0ogjh9tsxis/Satisfactory Calc Advanced.xlsx?dl=0 (will need to DL & open on your device/machine to use dropdown lists)

Google Docs

Satisfactory Calc AdvancedV1.2

SatisFactory Calc

Recipe,Product 1,Product 1 (Single),Product 2,Product 2 (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Ingredient Name,Ingredient (Single),Time Taken (Seconds),Machine,Machines Qty,Recipe,...

Google Docs

Satisfactory Calc AdvancedV1.2.xlsx

Dropbox

Satisfactory Calc Advanced.xlsx

Shared with Dropbox

heady smelt May 25, 2020, 7:22 AM

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is there really need for this when daniel's exists? not to devalue work, just curious

safe badger May 25, 2020, 8:03 AM

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most of the calculators use a top down approach or only allow you to edit product per min, i want to be able to calc by editing any of the values in the supply chain. not just by knowing the product amount...
i'll try to incorporate overclocking, power consumption & production per percent which if i recall is 0.1Mj every 6 percent.

the tools out there a ok for visualising but i need to be able to see the finer details of every angle and able to reverse the build from the supply to the production etc... like for micro-managing purposes instead of rebuild from scratch..

glacial hemlock May 25, 2020, 8:40 AM

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I value Daniel's works

spark dove May 25, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Hey if I have 1500 coal per minute how many generators will I need?

sand garnet May 25, 2020, 10:19 AM

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divide 1500 by 45

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each generator takes 45 coal per min at 100%

spark dove May 25, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Cool, thanks I couldn't workout what the ratio was

woeful skiff May 25, 2020, 10:25 AM

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It's 15 though. (and 45 water/min)

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4 seconds to burn one coal, so 60/4 = 15

sudden saffron May 25, 2020, 12:19 PM

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==>> https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Coal_Generator

Satisfactory Wiki

Coal Generator

The Coal Generator is a building that generates Power by using Coal and Water. It is the first fully automate-able power source the player has access to and also the first power source to use a mined resource.
See Tutorial:Setting up Coal power for a step-by-step tutorial on...

safe badger May 25, 2020, 2:42 PM

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i usually like to get what each percentage of the clock speed gives me per each percent
if i recall take the value that is given at 100 Clock speed so, 45/100 = 0.45
0.45 x Desired clock speed to get new value per min.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/iron-plate

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Your math is wrong. Its 30 iron ingots makes 20 plates

wind spade May 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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that's 60 ingots, smelters make ingots

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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You need 90 ingots a min

wind spade May 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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from 60 ingots, you make 40 plates

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with two constructors

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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You need 90 ingots a min
@upbeat tide ☝️

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A plate is 1.5 ingots

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Rods are 1-1

safe badger May 25, 2020, 2:54 PM

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or you can try using my messy as excel sheet you help your out 😉 (doesnt tell you how much infrastructure you need though just the raw numbers)

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 2:55 PM

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There's always daniel's calculator.

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I would 100% recommend using it

safe badger May 25, 2020, 3:00 PM

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there is with mods

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Mk5 & 6 belts saw one that did 2000 per min

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Christ

wind spade May 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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780/min is pretty fast already

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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"Conveyors Mod
This mod adds a Conveyor Belt and Lift that can transport 2000 items pr/m"

wind spade May 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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check modding discord if you want mods

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Yes, @sharp shuttle.

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btw are there faster conveyer belts, or can you make them faster?
@sharp shuttle Right now, yours can do 60. At tier 2, you get ones that do 120. Then 270. Then 360 I think.

safe badger May 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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dont forget about infinite length belts 😉

wind spade May 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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idk, 780/min belt is pretty fast (that's max ingame)

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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There is very fast ones but mods make INSANELY fast ones

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Standing on a 2000/min belt must launch you

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@safe badger Isn't that wonky as hell?

safe badger May 25, 2020, 3:02 PM

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https://ficsit.app/mod/5wA6nqaRtULjUP
https://ficsit.app/mod/2Nzfn22iiwQ838
https://ficsit.app/mod/5B1RJZQRafa6JP

Mod - SMR

Satisfactory mods, tools, guides and forums. An extension to the FICSIT industries.

Mod - SMR

Satisfactory mods, tools, guides and forums. An extension to the FICSIT industries.

Mod - SMR

Satisfactory mods, tools, guides and forums. An extension to the FICSIT industries.

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Modding discord pls

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Oh ok I guess not

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where is this modding discord you speak of?

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https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/455857391477587979/677170263225270333

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thanks

safe badger May 25, 2020, 3:35 PM

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well there is one mod i would think essential & wont break your Vanilla Experience.

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in-game calculator 😉

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Never used

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that mod owns. no unlock, no investment, nothing to build, doesn't take up a slot, you just... have a calculator. 😛

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which is great cuz I can't divide 1503 by 26 in my head

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if anything it should be a fancier calculator. FICSIT launched me to another star system; they can spring for a TI-83 at the very least....

safe badger May 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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i'd think this should be built into the end release of the game or even build in spreadsheet would be nice just have it conveniently hovering on your screen allowing you to make edits & complex calculations while your on the build menu... QoL features...

sudden saffron May 25, 2020, 4:21 PM

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well there is one mod i would think essential & wont break your Vanilla Experience.
@safe badger win+ r calc, or cellphone 😄

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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No need for win+r just Win and tyle calc

sudden saffron May 25, 2020, 4:30 PM

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works too 🙂

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while exploring (in the explorer vehicule) I managed to get frame rate drop..... quite disapointed with my I7/RTX2080/32Gb RAM setup thou 😄

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Which i7?

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Thats like saying you have a Ford F150. Could be one form 1980 or one from 2019

sudden saffron May 25, 2020, 6:15 PM

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correct 🙂

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definitely not from 1980 😄

summer field May 25, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Before it's time, maybe.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 6:36 PM

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In tech years, a 8700k might as well be from 2000 🙂

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Especially one that isnt overclocked

summer field May 25, 2020, 6:40 PM

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2017, but sure.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Nah computer years are like dog years 🙂

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Bad joke ik

sand garnet May 25, 2020, 7:33 PM

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How does the 7700k hold up

crimson zephyr May 25, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I used the 7700k with both a 1660 and then a 2080 abd it was fine. Mine was over clocked to 5.1 thou

lusty musk May 25, 2020, 11:29 PM

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old 4790k here, in my base game runs below 20 fps 😅

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 11:40 PM

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3570k, runs fine. :p 16 GB of ram and a 1050 ti

lusty musk May 25, 2020, 11:51 PM

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16Gb ram here to, and a 980 Ti

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🤷‍♂️

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its usually fine at first but performance steadily gets worse the longer i play

fierce ruin May 25, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I turn down some gfx settings and my only big hits are entering areas with a lotta stuff to load or during the autosave. But it's not exactly a competitive shooter so meh.

upbeat tide May 25, 2020, 11:56 PM

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3700x, 16gb of 3200 cl14, and a 5790xt. Usually 60+ fps at 1440p, but in my dense areas...can hurt

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300h, 6Mb save file

fierce ruin May 26, 2020, 12:02 AM

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oh yeah I'm only on 1080p, that probs helps too

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Anyone kicking around that can help with a production problem?

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Can help via text

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:26 AM

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That’s all i need

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I have 6 foundries making steel ingots

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I have 5 constructors making steel frames

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I need a manifold or load balance system that can distribute said ingots to constructors

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Belt speed?
End goal?

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Making those elevator parts versitile frames or whatever

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I’ve got bottlenecks and finally figured out where they are coming from just cant get the ingots into the system

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Whats your belt lvl?

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:29 AM

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4

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:29 AM

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Using any alts?

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:30 AM

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The issue is the ingots are being made but i cant get the 6th foundry connected into the system

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I hear ya just getting all the info to help ya

fierce ruin May 26, 2020, 1:30 AM

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splitters/merges used cleverly can do stuff

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:31 AM

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I need a splitter that has 2 ins and 2 outs

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Are you using normal steel or one of the alts for the ingots?

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So I know your total ingot production

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Normal steel

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Kk

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You should be making 270 ingots a min and a steel beam constructor needs 60 a min

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I’ve got the factory built the way i want it i just need to add one more foundry’s woth of ingots into the system

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:32 AM

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So you can only have 4.5 constructors for steel besms

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Its a butchered version of TE’s layout

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Not familiar with that design 🙂

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Total Eclipse Gaming

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:34 AM

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But until you can expand simply cut down your constructors to 5 and underclock one to 50%

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And since its only 270 ingots, just use a basic manifold to connect all the foundries to one line and then feed the constructors

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:35 AM

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At this time I’m putting one faoundry directly into one constructor

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Wont work, not enough ingots

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:35 AM

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Right

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:35 AM

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One sec

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:36 AM

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So I added one more foundry but can’t get it into the production line

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:36 AM

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F F
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M - M

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Simply merge the foundries like that

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And take that merged line and split it into the constructors

S - S
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C C

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:37 AM

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So mergers out of the foudries then splitters into the constructors

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Yup

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As long as you do not exceed belt limit your good

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Spacing is tight but I’ll shoehorn something in

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The factory works its just cludgy

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Nothin wrong with that

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:39 AM

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2500 items i a lot

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Just let it run overnight 🙂

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:39 AM

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At least i’m not making computers yet

fierce ruin May 26, 2020, 1:43 AM

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computers, alt recipes can help you al ot

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like hypothetically you can make computers of some extremely limited resources

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the one that's circuitboards from silica + copper + the one that's computers from circuitboards + crystal oscillators, you're now down to iron, copper and quartz to make computers.

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no oil at all.

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I personally prefer caterium computer, but yup, crystal computer alt is very useful

fierce ruin May 26, 2020, 1:47 AM

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caterium computer owns if you're looking to scale up into supercomputers, cuz "also requires caternium" lol I got that

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plus both require oil so you're in the same framework ther

limber dirge May 26, 2020, 1:48 AM

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I’ve not got a lot of alt recipes but i was going to set up a quick wire / plastic circuit board set up

fierce ruin May 26, 2020, 1:49 AM

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my opinion is basically go ham on hdds as fast as you can, some of the alt recipes are REALLY advantageous

upbeat tide May 26, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Looks at the 60 a min turbomotor master plan, looks at some of the sub plans like 60 supercomputers

Sees north of 10k quickwire a min, shudders

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Even with using alts like pure caterium ingot and fused wuickwire thats a lot