#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 447

orchid iris Apr 21, 2020, 2:28 PM

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I just wanna know what's better. Here's a screenshot of my options(literally just got back to base).

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glacial hemlock Apr 21, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@woeful skiff we do.

lyric pecan Apr 21, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Anyone fancy doing a little ratio maths? :P

I need to setup this adjustable splitter to give both belts 540 ingots each

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1 left 3 right?

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the belt on the left has 360, it has a deficit of 180 ingots from 540

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720 / 180 = 4

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so, sooooo 3 units of 720 should be 540? and 1 unit of 720, should be 180?

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right?

wind spade Apr 21, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Or just put normal splitter and let it balance itself 🙂

lyric pecan Apr 21, 2020, 6:31 PM

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true lol

glacial hemlock Apr 21, 2020, 6:59 PM

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use 2 splitters and 2 mergers if you really wish to build a balancer.

slender turtle Apr 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@lyric pecan Yes, you want to send 1 unit left for every 3 units right.

lyric pecan Apr 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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thanks

willow igloo Apr 21, 2020, 11:22 PM

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pro tip, if ever you want to lower a belt's throughput by 60 at a time, have it go through a normal splitter, a mk 1 belt output (which in the case of 720 going through) will only split off 60, lowering it gradually down to your desired 540

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so going from 720 to 540 is 180. Go through one vanilla splitter, 1 exit with a mk 1 60/min belt and 2nd exit with a mk 2 120/min belt. 3rd belt will have 540

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then you just merge those smaller output belts into the 360 to make your 2nd 540

woeful skiff Apr 21, 2020, 11:48 PM

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lyric pecan Apr 22, 2020, 12:28 AM

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well, I tried just using a vanilla splitter and letting the belts balance themselves out... but what's actually happened it that clogging on one of the belts has ever so slightly slowed down throughput of ingots.... seems like the total 1080 that should be running in to these machines, is more like 960-1000. I have 4 machines that aren't processing anything 70% of the time.

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clogged belts do not balance themselves out, they slow down overall throughput. i'm gonna put an adjustable splitter in there.

wind spade Apr 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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@lyric pecan if you don't have more than 780 items per minute on one belt, then clogged belts do balance out. It's called a manifold and works mostly based on "clogged belts"

lyric pecan Apr 22, 2020, 12:42 AM

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the clogging on the belt is creating delays of a fraction of a second

wind spade Apr 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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which is not an issue since mergers/splitters have internal 9 items inventory

lyric pecan Apr 22, 2020, 12:45 AM

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well the uptime on those 4 machines has increased since using an adjustable splitter

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the machines ive setup require exactly 540 x 2 ingots

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and supplying exactly 1080 ingots

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i can't afford to have a tiny delay

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for machines stop running

wind spade Apr 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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have you waited long enough to let those belts balance?

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it usually takes some time

lyric pecan Apr 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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i gave it a good 15/20 minutes

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there was a noticeable stuttering from the 720 belt

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this way makes me feel happier anyway 😛 every belt is moving at full speed and every machine is processing

wind spade Apr 22, 2020, 12:49 AM

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also "I can't afford to have a tiny delay" is a bit exaggerated imo 😄

viral girder Apr 22, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I am thinking about stacking my design on top of itself, as many people suggest. My question is: How do the upper floors get any resources, since the pathway is already used by the first floor?

pine wedge Apr 22, 2020, 1:19 AM

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@viral girder I create aisles. 1 sec I'll throw something together in MS paint

viral girder Apr 22, 2020, 1:21 AM

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@pine wedge much appreciated as this is stumping me atm.

pine wedge Apr 22, 2020, 1:22 AM

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I'm such a bad artist

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my view

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OK - so first floor you have a bunch of machines making rods and plates

viral girder Apr 22, 2020, 1:42 AM

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... The Giraphant just used my stairs to now mindlessly wander on the main floor of my factory. smh.

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Before we get conveyor lifts, there are spiral conveyors.

spiral stratus Apr 22, 2020, 6:39 AM

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3 water extractors and 8 coal generators w/ a mk 1 miner on a pure node is 100% efficiency right?

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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yes.

fierce ruin Apr 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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3:8 is the ratio yes

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but its not a must

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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provided you have at least Mk.2 belt

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see wiki / youtube for setup guide

spiral stratus Apr 22, 2020, 7:05 AM

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yep. got mk 2 belts

fierce ruin Apr 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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also this way your pipes are only transporting 180 fluid, so that not 100% efficient

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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lol

prisma copper Apr 22, 2020, 8:30 AM

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@woeful skiff i think the iron wire

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@orchid iris i think the circruit board

torpid robin Apr 22, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I went 3 full pipes to 20 coal gens. Then just repeated it 10 times . The belts don’t work out as neat as the water . But that’s easy to deal with

wind spade Apr 22, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I'd even say belts work better, why do you think they don't? 😄

torpid robin Apr 22, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Cause a 270 belt only can supply 18 not the 20 the water does is what I mean

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I do not have the 450 as of yet

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 10:12 AM

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well, if you can do it, then you are pleased to do so.

orchid iris Apr 22, 2020, 10:53 AM

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glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 10:56 AM

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none is good, but 3 is the best among them.

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 10:57 AM

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I'd probably take 3 but then never get around to using it. I don't know what beacons ever really need to be optimized for and there's only so many space elevator deliveries.

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Well, I wouldn't not use it, I just don't know when I'll be making any more rip's and I have no intention of rebuilding the existing rip's I'm producing.

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I feel like you need to pick up the alts pretty early for the space elevator alts to be helpful.

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I do hope they find a way to make the space elevator and the parts it requires relevant in the end game.

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 11:01 AM

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if the next delivery is released, then you will have a new goal for it.

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I would say each delivery is 5 to 10 times more difficult as the previous

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 11:03 AM

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True

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 11:03 AM

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lol, i see you are typing a lot. It is just one word 😂

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 11:04 AM

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That is still finite, compared to other products in the game which have no time in the future that I anticipate never needing them again. So in my brain I'm comparing finite to infinite and the one I'll use forever always seems to come out ahead 🤣

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Yes, sometimes I struggle with written communication.

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 11:05 AM

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if you want infinite challenge, then buy all Golden nuts you can afford. Yea that would be infinite

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 11:06 AM

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If you pay attention you'll probably notice that over 50% of the "Bryan is typing..." never even result in a message being sent.

orchid iris Apr 22, 2020, 11:06 AM

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k so 3 sounds good

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 11:07 AM

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you skip a step and saving some power, then you lose 0.666 screws for each RIP.

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it is good though

orchid iris Apr 22, 2020, 11:09 AM

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I have casted screws so it's pretty good tbh

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:21 PM

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How do i dump water when making aluminium?

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 1:21 PM

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click on the pipe, pull the "flush" level and flush the water.

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If you asking how you can use up the "excess" automatically, there are options. Find a recipe that you don't care about that uses water as an input "wet concrete for example" and then just sink all the product.

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Or you can create and elaborate feedback system that feeds the water produced as waste back into the system as input.

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:24 PM

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i did the elaborate loop.. it went horribly wrong... I guess concrete makes sense

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I do believe that is one of the big challenges for making "aluminum". I saw one post in reddit where someone had reduced their production down so that it worked. I will see if I can find his image and post it in screenshots.

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

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it works as long as I pull on alu, but when alu starts to back up... the pump floods the system

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I guess I could dump alu but that feels so wrong

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Send some of your alu to the sink. so that you constantly make it.

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 1:28 PM

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excess water → pure alts?

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I want my pure alt to run tho 😛 not run out of water when alu is producing lol... wtb a if gate on pipes.

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I could train it... hmmm

woeful skiff Apr 22, 2020, 1:29 PM

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You would ultimately I think need to be sinking something since you'd then have tied together alum and the pure alt production.

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 1:29 PM

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I posted what someone else's solution was in screenshots.

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:30 PM

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yea I am using coal

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 1:30 PM

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You can always put a water pump on the pipe and NOT power it to create a backflow preventer if that is what you are trying to do.

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 1:30 PM

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100 water then 30 from alu

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also janky because alu makes 80 and need 90

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so I made 8x9 😛

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i was wondering if the overflow trick worked on trains

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pump water into a station then use the output

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if it backs up the train runs off with it to dump

pale jetty Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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i did the elaborate loop.. it went horribly wrong... I guess concrete makes sense
@left flame I use a train station for water delivery there and the waste water just flows down from my platform into the upper inputs of the train station that is connected to the pumps. Like that I don’t have that problem ^^

dark wadi Apr 22, 2020, 2:26 PM

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That actually sounds like a great solution to fix the 'water' problem. lol

left flame Apr 22, 2020, 3:00 PM

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I am using height to prevent "backflow"

shy mason Apr 22, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Now I'm thinking of the costs of pumps vs loading it all into a train to bring water to heights, or do you just have a train unload water at top of a cliff for free water potential energy. Might be easier to just use a belt lift and two refineries to package😋

upbeat tide Apr 22, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Does quartz crystal get used in anything other than crystal ocilators?

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I dont need silicon anymore for alu, got that alt recipe that removes that need.

shy mason Apr 22, 2020, 11:09 PM

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alternate recipe for radio control units, otherwise nothing else

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you do need silicon for alternate uranium cells that will eat a bunch as well

upbeat tide Apr 22, 2020, 11:11 PM

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True, im only tapping two normal crystal nodes so far anyway

glacial hemlock Apr 22, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Eventually you will have to tap all nodes in the game

upbeat tide Apr 22, 2020, 11:57 PM

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True

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Currently setting up to max out crystal ocilators from two normal raw quarts nodes and one iron pure

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Using mk5 belts and mk3 miners

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Pure iron ingot
Pure quartz crystal
Casted screws
Iron wire

Each manufacturer is at 200% tho in my plan

wind spade Apr 23, 2020, 12:01 AM

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just build 2 manufacturers at 100%, you're losing power othwise 🙂

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Was thinking of space, im using a vertical solution

wind spade Apr 23, 2020, 12:02 AM

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idk I feel like space is pretty much limitless

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 12:02 AM

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True just make em skyscrapers then

wind spade Apr 23, 2020, 12:02 AM

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or just have more buildings per floor?

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Was planning on 5 towera anyway so only 6 stacks each

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Yea pretty much

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Inspired by u/oldshavingfoam

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In style

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 12:27 AM

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@wind spade the towers to the right will house the manufacturers, constructors, and assemblers. The two buildings more to the right are all pure iron. Pure crystal isng visible in this angle

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fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Anyone has an efficient rotor build design ? I'm trying to find one by my own, hard...

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:10 AM

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just build 2 manufacturers at 100%, you're losing power othwise
or 100 at 1%, max energysavings

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:10 AM

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XD

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2 manu of what ?

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:11 AM

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not to u 🙂

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Rotors break down pretty easily into 8 rotor per minute manufacturing units running off 90 ore/ingots/rods per minute

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Rotors break down pretty easily into 8 rotor per minute manufacturing units running off 90 ore/ingots/rods per minute
@manic storm 2 assmebler at 100% at the end of the line ?

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:16 AM

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yee

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plus five screw constructors, and possibly smelters and rod constructors depending on how your factory is set up

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:17 AM

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yep 5 screw constr which means 50 rod/min and I don't know how to get them, because I also need 40 rod/min for the 20 rod/min x2 (for the 2 assembler)

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so 90rod/min in total

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how to split them correctly?

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:17 AM

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ah yeah splitting up the rods can get dicey

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i have my rotors integrated with my reinforced plates and modular frames rn so all the rod stuff happens together

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:18 AM

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oh

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:18 AM

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lemme see if i can do some quick maths

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:20 AM

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i've seen this

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but for my tier it's not possible to do 132/min, ive only mk2 belt

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:21 AM

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that's less complicated than my current setup :P

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:22 AM

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or maybe i dont care if at some place it get stuck a bit

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:22 AM

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so simplest way to do just rotors assuming you've already got a 90 rod/minute input belt (which can be made with a splitter, a merger, and two fully saturated Mk.1 belts) is to split from 90 to 30x3 with one three-way splitter, then from 30x3 to 10x9 with three more three-way splitters, then merge to 20x2 and 10x5 with two two-way mergers

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:22 AM

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oh yeahh

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:23 AM

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screws are a little harder to deal with using only Mk.2 belts, since you can't just merge to 200 and then split to 100x2 (which is what i'm doing)

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:23 AM

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thanks you i didn't think about this way

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:23 AM

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for the screws you'll have to merge from 5x40 to 2x80 and 1x40, then split the 40 into 2x20 and merge those into the 80 belts

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:24 AM

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easy

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:24 AM

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logistics

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:24 AM

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I'm not used to :p need practice

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:26 AM

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you can also use less complicated setups and rely on full machine inventories to meter materials, but that greatly increases the ramp-up time of the factory

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generally better for later game when that doesn't matter as much and being able to scale out a ton is more important

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:27 AM

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you can split not evenly tho
if you have enough input and connect everything it will just balance itself based on how much each needs because this way oversaturated belts will not take rods and let them move to undersaturated ones

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:27 AM

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that's what i was just saying:P

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:27 AM

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i was thinking and didn't read my bad

manic storm Apr 23, 2020, 10:27 AM

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but then you have to wait for the belts and inventories to fill up, which can take a while (especially with screws stacking to 500)

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i like to target perfect flow early-game to get things moving, then move to simpler setups that rely on full belts later in the game when i have more production to fill those belts and rapid horizontal scaling becomes the name of the game

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:37 AM

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do you have Mk.2 or Mk.3 belt? because that will make things a lot simpler

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:37 AM

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mk2

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im drawing a plan right know to see things clearly

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:37 AM

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how efficient is the frame part of this

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glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:41 AM

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replace the 120% iron rod with 2 x 60%

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overclock your miners to 200% and double the output.

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it is pretty good imo

fierce ruin Apr 23, 2020, 10:43 AM

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overclock your miners to 200% and double the output.
@glacial hemlock or just a 120 ore output

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:44 AM

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im using it to try get space elevator 2nd time

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you need so much stuff

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:44 AM

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maybe he is using normal nodes, thats why 60

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2nd space elevator? means tier 5?

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oh, no, you probably need to quadruple your production.

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:45 AM

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yep

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i need like 500 steel support beam looking things

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:45 AM

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i made versatile things with just 120 ore tbh

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had stuff to do so it collected

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:46 AM

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how long then?

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:46 AM

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and before i can do that i need to put batteries in my coal generators but i have no slugs

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:46 AM

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idk 20 mins?

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one 100% manufacturer

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:47 AM

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?!? how is it possible to get manufacturer while you are still preparing for versatile

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:47 AM

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i meant assembler 🙂

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:47 AM

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lol i dont have manu

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i have 72 versatile

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:48 AM

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ok, 100 mins probably

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i had a lot of concrete work to do so i forgot about it

ripe lava Apr 23, 2020, 10:48 AM

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does anyone wanna help me maximize my factory

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 10:49 AM

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now you have 2 iron nodes producing the above parts right? just find another 6 then build the same🙃

heady smelt Apr 23, 2020, 10:50 AM

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not hard tho
i had 4 nodes on start location, two nearby and two more 300 meters away

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:09 PM

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any glaring errors?

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infrastructure is

28 manufacturers
28 assemblers
112 constructors
42 refineries

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:26 PM

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actually refactoring instead of going vertical, considering a more efficient way, not using 5 machines per manufacturer I mean

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Let me chk with Daniel's calculator

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28 manufacturers, 27 refineries, 13 assemblers, 82 constructor

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:39 PM

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revisions comin in a sec

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Mobile screenshot. 😅

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:40 PM

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thats what I got

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Why screw is involved👀

past atlas Apr 23, 2020, 7:41 PM

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i need to split a belt into 2 belts. I need it 70% on one, 30% on the other. How could i do that using only splitters and mergers?

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Search wiki for 1:10 balancer.

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:42 PM

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screws cuz stitched plates isnt that much more efficient in comparison

glacial hemlock Apr 23, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Ha. (MC villager noise)

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 7:51 PM

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?

pine wedge Apr 23, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Am I the only one that was stoked to get coal power because that meant I could leave my factory running overnight?

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8 hours of feeding smart plates to the AWESOME sink and I have all the tickets I need

wind spade Apr 23, 2020, 9:34 PM

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where's the fun in that 🤔

pine wedge Apr 23, 2020, 9:35 PM

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The fun part is building the factory

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Guys real quick, if I have 8 machines but I want them all to be producing as much as 6.8 machines would, what level do I underclock the 8 machines to?

indigo vigil Apr 23, 2020, 11:19 PM

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85%

cedar mica Apr 23, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Underclock 6 machines 20%, would also work

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:20 PM

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yes but preferably I would like them all underclocked, or 4 of them underclocked

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:20 PM

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If the math comes to 6.8 its easier to just build 7 machines, keep 6 at 100% and the final one at 80%

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:20 PM

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so 85%? is that exact, or slightly more/less?

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:20 PM

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What is this for anyway?

cedar mica Apr 23, 2020, 11:21 PM

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You need to lower the overall % from 800 to 680.

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:21 PM

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I know but here's the situation: I have 4 sets of 2 refineries making aluminum scrap, I want a nice ratio of foundaries to refineries making aluminum ingots, so instead of doing 7 foundaries I wanna do 8, 2 for each set of refineries

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:22 PM

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680/800=0.85 so yea 85% each will do it

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:22 PM

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sweet, thanks!

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that math was very simple why didn;t I think to do that?

woeful skiff Apr 23, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I do similar things just for symmetry. Just take the number you need divided by the number you have and that's the percent

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:23 PM

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oh okay, thanks

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Percentage math is easy in this game

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There are extea coefficients in the math for power draw tho when overclocking

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I don't really bother to do math with power

woeful skiff Apr 23, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I don't calculate power consumption really I just keep an eye on it as I build and when it gets over like 70% usage I go build more power generators.

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I tend to just check my grid every so often and when I'm averaging 60-80% usage I get ready to expand power

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yeah same

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Well, I mean that if you OC a machine by 200% the input and output increase linearlly, but the power cost is curved

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

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as far as trains go tho I believe one engine can handle 5 freight cars?

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I dunno the train limit tbh

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Yeah I know about the power when overclocking

upbeat tide Apr 23, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I have seen 6+ long trains tho so it may not matter

gleaming patio Apr 23, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I test the trains by taking it to the steepest incline on my network, which I'm pretty sure is darn close to the steepest you can build rails anyways, then bring it to a dead stop and activate autopilot going up the incline. If the train can accellerate up the hill from a dead stop, it will never not make the hill

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it doesn't matter on flat ground, but going uphill you can overwork the engine

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I tested that with my 10 freight 2 engine setup and it could make the hill from a dead stop, but only barely. It slid down the hill a ways first since engines take a moment to spool up and during that time it slid down and had to work to stop and go forward, but it worked. Just very very slowly. So I switched to 9 freight 3 engines to be safe.

torpid robin Apr 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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iv heard to get up the steepest and longer of hills. your best best is 1 loco per 3 carts

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 12:01 AM

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You shouldnt use 4m inclines for trains anyway

2m or 1m inclines only

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 12:11 AM

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you cant even place a track on a 4m incline

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Anyone got a 4 to 6 balancer (and a 6 to 4 balancer)

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:22 AM

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@gleaming patio usually you don't need to balance stuff, you can just use manifolds

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Yes but in this scenario, I know what I'm doing. I usually use manifolds but this very specific situation calls for a balancer

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:23 AM

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what's the situation if I may ask?

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I mention "balancer" and people treat me like I have never played before :/

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:23 AM

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sorry, it's just that 95% people coming here asking for a balancer actually don't need it

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:24 AM

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4 480/min belts into 6 freight platforms, and back to 2 780 belts at dropoff

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I don;t want to extend the train station because then my OCD would force me to extend every station on the line to match

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:24 AM

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you can manifold platforms as well 🤔

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:24 AM

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yes but even T5 belts couldn't achieve the throughput

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:24 AM

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well not with one manifold ofc

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:24 AM

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the train isn't fast enough to just do 4 belts to 4 freights

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:25 AM

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anyway, depending on your usage, you can just go with two 2 : 3 like this

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no need to balance everything

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:25 AM

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"need"? I suppose not. "want"? yes.

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:26 AM

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assuming the incoming 4 belts are all full, therefore all balanced, the contraption above would yield same results as proper balancer

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:27 AM

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That may be true, but is a man not allowed to want to use a balancer once? I don't normally use them. But I'd prefer to load/unload each station evenly

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I'm not forbidding you to use balancers

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I just gave you a contraption that does load each station evenly

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:28 AM

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sorry if I seem hostile

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:28 AM

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it's just not a balancer

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:28 AM

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I'm just passionate

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also I don;t understand your picture

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:28 AM

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S = splitter, M = merger

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:29 AM

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if M is merger and S is splitter how is it splitting 2 to 3? the splitter has 2 inputs and 1 output, that looks like a merger

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:29 AM

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picture is 3:2, for 2:3, just swap splitters with mergers

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:29 AM

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ah

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maybe

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part of me wants to use a balancer anyways just to say I did. I've done a few things in my current playthrough using "the path less travelled by" as it were. Like making a packaged water route instead of just using pipes.

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:30 AM

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sure, go for it

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but I can't help you with that. I don't use balancers (and don't play the game)

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I already got a solution to that

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maybe I'll do yours at the loading and a balancer at unloading? I dunno

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:33 AM

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idk, if you're merging it to two 780 belts, you're losing 360ipm throughput anyway, so balancer would be useless there

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:33 AM

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how so?

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I mean, if the freights are being loaded at the same IPM and balanced to the same IPM and the 2 780's are full, aren't I gettin all the items?

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:34 AM

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4*480 = 1920
2*780 = 1560

those two 780 belts can't carry the full 4 480 belts

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also beware of the 25ish seconds of locked platform when loading/unloading, can mess with your throughput if you don't have buffers in place

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:38 AM

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wait...

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oh... OH.... I totally forgot that T5 belts aren't exactly 2x T4!

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You're right! and I need like 1568/minute but thought I would have to settle for 1560!

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also unless I understand balancers wrong, what you gave me is a balancer

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:42 AM

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balancer:
a contraption, that given X inputs and Y outputs, makes all the Y output rate the same, no matter what the input for any of the X inputs is

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:42 AM

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ah I suppose balancers are for inputs of different speeds

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:42 AM

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so e.g. if only one belt is incoming, all 3 should have the same output, which can't happen obviously

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(also, it's not a balancer anyway, even if you'd consider all inputs the same)

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25% 50% 25%
 |   |   |
 S---M---S
 |       |
50%     50%

(input at bottom, output at top)

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Ah

bitter jacinth Apr 24, 2020, 1:44 AM

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So it is a semi-balancer?

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I might use a balancer at loading then

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:45 AM

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idk what's the definition of a semi-balancer

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I need each freight platform to be loaded at the same items/minute to accurately gauge if the train can deliver fast enough

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:45 AM

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but in any case, it'll eventually balance itself, since that's how the game works

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:45 AM

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think of it this way:

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let's say that over the time it takes to travel, one train can deliver 480/minute with 2 freight platforms. of course this means nothing if the loading stations aren't getting 480/minute. if I use a semi-balancer, and the system hasn't balanced itself by the time the train returns, then each station is getting loaded disproportionately

manic storm Apr 24, 2020, 1:49 AM

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if they're getting unloaded into the same buffer, does it really matter if they're loaded evenly?

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:49 AM

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they aren't

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because T5s can't support 1980/min

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:51 AM

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true
but there are two options:

the train returns fast enough so that it can carry all the items from the middle platform, which is getting loaded twice as fast (because of the 25/50/25 split). In this case, there's no issue, since you're still getting the full throughput, only the platforms aren't loaded evenly
the train doesn't return fast enough, therefore the middle platform is filling up (can't empty it fast enough). At some point, the platform will be full and block the belt coming to it, making more items coming to the direction of the other two platforms. After a few cycles, the train is able to carry the full throughput again. So again, no issue (just have to wait a little)

again, not pushing you away from balancers, just pointing out this 🙂

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:52 AM

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... huh

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hadn't thought of that

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:52 AM

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it's the same principe as in manifolds 🙂

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:53 AM

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true; manifolds can take a while to get up to speed but once they fill up they work

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I am dum dum

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 1:53 AM

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ok, the above balancer works only assuming the input belts have equal input rate. if you want a true balancer, you have to split each x input into x/y, the 2nd part being combine x/y to y.

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:53 AM

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yes but my inputs do have the same rate

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:54 AM

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don't worry about it 🙂 the mechanics of the game are quite complex and not always obvious 🙂 you still can use balancers, I'm just pointing out that in 99% of cases they are not required and it can work without them 😉

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Yeah I get it

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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when designing a balancer, no single segment of the belt should carry more than its belt capacity, or it will be throughput limited.

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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@glacial hemlock you mean this?

25% 50% 25%
 |   |   |
 S---M---S
 |       |
50%     50%

that's not a balancer, see the 25/50/25 split? 😛

bitter jacinth Apr 24, 2020, 1:59 AM

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gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 1:59 AM

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hold on Greeny, is 50% in your diagram 50% of a 480 belt?

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 2:00 AM

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50% of the total items coming through the thing

gleaming patio Apr 24, 2020, 2:00 AM

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ah

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 2:00 AM

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input is at the bottom, two belts

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so 50% = 1 belt worth of throughput

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 5:22 AM

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A AB B
| | |
S---M---S
| |
2A 2B

fast rain Apr 24, 2020, 6:46 AM

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So I noticed that when your jetpack uses fuel, you don't get the plastic container back. Is that normal?

summer field Apr 24, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Do you get it back when you use it in a vehicle?

fast rain Apr 24, 2020, 6:49 AM

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I haven't tried yet. I just managed to get the packaged fuel recipe....and I saw there was an

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unpackage version. So my thought was, oh cool, you get the containers back.

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I had grandiose plans of dropping off empty canisters and picking up full ones LOL

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 7:33 AM

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balancers overrated manifolds ftw

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 9:32 AM

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if one find building the balancer is troublesome, they will eventually switch to manifold.

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 9:32 AM

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let them do 6-6 balancer
they will def switch 🙂

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 9:41 AM

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hold my belt.

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wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I think it can be made simpler

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 9:42 AM

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interesting.

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 9:44 AM

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after first set of splitters (having 12 belts), you can merge them back to 6, e.g. 1 with 3, 2 with 4, etc. and then split each into 3

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without losing throughput

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 9:44 AM

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but what if each input belt have different item rate?

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 9:45 AM

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then I'd ditch the whole balancer and use the item rate that's on the belt 🤔

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tbh contraption like this is totally useless

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 9:45 AM

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yes. they are for fun only.

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 9:53 AM

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yes they are useless cause manifolds

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let machines balance themselves

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FICSIT approves cause of less space, material and engineer time wasted. And FICSIT do not waste

limber nest Apr 24, 2020, 10:05 AM

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whats the point of 6 to 6?????????????????????????????????????????????????

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just conveyor belt that bitch from 1 to the other

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 10:05 AM

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different ouput/input rates?

limber nest Apr 24, 2020, 10:06 AM

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ez

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just dont bother

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just it all balance itself

lime imp Apr 24, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I might be bad with math, but you want to balance all input and output rates so you dont have 1 input tha toverproduces and one output that would need more but those are not connected together

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 10:08 AM

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to fix it you can just manifold it. but if output is > max belt then we need to split to at least 2 halves equally

ripe lava Apr 24, 2020, 10:50 AM

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if 1 oil extractor produces 240Mcubed of oil per min, and each refinery used 10Mcubed of oil per min. Shouldn't i be able to have 24 refineries

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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if it uses 10 then you should 🙂

ripe lava Apr 24, 2020, 10:51 AM

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do you really need that much plastic

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lol

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and wow thats alot of power

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im struggling with 3

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 10:54 AM

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didn't know plastic takes 10. for me it takes 30

fierce ruin Apr 24, 2020, 11:02 AM

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me too

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 11:22 AM

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lol your icon is just discord rotated -90 deg

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 11:25 AM

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ikr

woeful skiff Apr 24, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I don't know how I didn't see that the discord logo is a gamepad until I saw it sideways.

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 11:57 AM

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modern comet Apr 24, 2020, 12:00 PM

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1+1=2

past atlas Apr 24, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Hi
I tried the 1:10 balancer yesterday but I wasn't entirely sure how I was supposed to follow it to set it up how I want it. I can only use splitters and mergers.
How would I split 1 conveyor into 2 so the conveyors are split so 70% of the input goes to 1, and 30% goes to the other?

30%              70%
     |               |
            ?
            |
            |
          Input           ```
Thanks 🙂

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'test'

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are code blocks disabled? why can't i use them?

woeful skiff Apr 24, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Use this thing: `

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One of them does it inline

Three of them does a block

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So another way to think about it is to just use a normal splitter, and on one side of it put something that consumes exactly 30% of what you are feeding into the splitter.
The other side will then be 70%.

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Until the thing that's supposed to use 30% of the resources gets backed up at least.

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But, it will never consume more than 30% if you build it that way.

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Note: the thing that should consume 30% will consume 50% of everything, due to how splitters work, but only until the internal buffer(s) of the machines in that branch fill up, then it stabilizes to 30% / 70%. That's fine.

past atlas Apr 24, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I need to use both conveyors

woeful skiff Apr 24, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Yes you do, if you don't then it'd just be 100% down one conveyor...

past atlas Apr 24, 2020, 12:31 PM

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so further along i have 2 smelters on both conveyors, and then after that i have 2 constructors which are making iron rods and plates

woeful skiff Apr 24, 2020, 12:34 PM

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What I'm suggesting is an alternative to what you actually asked how to do, which is to think about it backwards from how you are approaching it.
In other words: Build the relative number of plate and rod constructors so that one of them is consuming 30% of the total iron input, and it will balance out and the other will get the remaining 70%.

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So, if your total iron input is 120/min. 30% of that is 36. Build enough smelters / constructors so that one half is consuming as close to 36 iron/minute as you can. I tend to use numbers that divide evenly into my belts / whatever recipes I'm making if possible.

past atlas Apr 24, 2020, 12:48 PM

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thanks

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 1:19 PM

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heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 1:23 PM

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how about just split connect it and let it balance itself? manifolds ftw

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you can of cource do some trickery with feedback loops and a lot of splitters but why?

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just split for two, add stack for each machine and let belts be saturated

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 2:40 PM

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If you have refineries, wet concrete is a must

It is the most efficient limestone > concrete recipe in the game

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:41 PM

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how much does one need concrete tho?
i have wagons of it

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 2:41 PM

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and water is a pain

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just for concrete

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 2:42 PM

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When you start building big factory floors and walls, you will go through crete like candy

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As well as iron plates too

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:46 PM

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two impure nodes give me enough so far

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well i play slowly and don't build walls

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it's not efficient to build a lot of walls and FICSIT wants me to be efficient

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 2:48 PM

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oh man. i placed 25 thousand walls the other day. not fun. much not recommend

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:49 PM

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was it fun? no. was it needed? also no. why you did it? ocd?

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 2:50 PM

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i have made massive floating bases with no walls before. it doesnt look cool. so this time i have a base on teh ground 65x65 all walled in. and ima make sit look pretty lol

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so OCD lol

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:50 PM

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i would just add columns then

tawny chasm Apr 24, 2020, 2:50 PM

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https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/5e6e82a7559bfff82343a55a hey guys, is this still a thing?

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has it even been confirmed by the devs?

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:53 PM

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so far it seems it's very minor

tawny chasm Apr 24, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@still grove tagging you cos the folks in here really know their numbers 😉 if it is a confirmed bug they'll know about it

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 2:54 PM

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i dunno if it is still a thing. i was monitoring my set ups before. my belts are full i dont use all outputs. yet all my machines are running at 100%

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Actually after doing some math

Crete efficiency limestone per crete

Standard 3:1
Rubber 1.111:1
Wet 1.5:1
Fine 1.2:1

Hope that makes sense

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:55 PM

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what matters is not limestone/crete but crete/min imo

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cause like what's it easier to get more limestone or add water?

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 2:56 PM

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what's crete?

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:56 PM

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concrete

still grove Apr 24, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Yeti exactly, if you dont use the full output its okay according to the reports

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Limestone per crete is kinda more important because it determines how efficient your node extraction is

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That said, rubber is the closest to a 1:1 ratio, but the rubber...that part sux

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:57 PM

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why you care about efficiency of limestone if your goal is to get more limestone faster?

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time > limestone

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 2:57 PM

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limestone is essentially useless apart from concrete. Any added material would probably be more important (maybe not water)

still grove Apr 24, 2020, 2:57 PM

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apprently its caused the clog by having more than 780/s input, less than 780s comes out, which shouldnt be the case, cause 780 belt in -> Split or Merge -> 780 belt out, 1000 items in -> S/M -> 780 out, which only leads to conclusion that the merger or splitter has a throughput limit

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 2:58 PM

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if you put 1000 you get 780 out only it's sensible

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because, duh, belt can't carry more

ripe lava Apr 24, 2020, 2:59 PM

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so a mk2 pure coal node can power 32 coal generators

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 2:59 PM

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780 lime in standard will only net 260 crete a min

In wet that doubles to 520

Big difference for needing an extra thtee water extractors to make it work

torpid robin Apr 24, 2020, 2:59 PM

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i thought they tried to solve throughput with splitters and mergers by adding an internal buffer

still grove Apr 24, 2020, 3:00 PM

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HellMachine, yes thats how it should be, but the issue persisting apprently gives you less than that

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Ill test it the next days, need to setup a new save for that

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 3:02 PM

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not three, 520 crete is 130 items/min and it's 650 m3 water/min

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5.4 extractors is meh

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Wet is 120 lime 100 water, 80 crete

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 3:04 PM

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for concrete, I'd just go for wet / normal.

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other alts don't seem good

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 3:11 PM

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wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 3:13 PM

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nice

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though probably goes to #screenshots ?

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 3:15 PM

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just trying to find out the best one for the factory

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 3:15 PM

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depends on your factory

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what are you trying to produce, which alts do you have, which are you aiming for, which resources are available and what's your target goal of production

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 3:15 PM

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the first one is useless currently i need both of the others

wind spade Apr 24, 2020, 3:16 PM

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you can't really say "this one is best" without context 🙂

heady smelt Apr 24, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i would take 2
if you have a lot of pipes like i do

orchid iris Apr 24, 2020, 3:17 PM

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ive got iron screws but otherwise everything else is mainly default and i do have a full storage of pipes and of iron and plastic

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casted screws*

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sorry doing some xbox ambassador stuff at the same time

upbeat tide Apr 24, 2020, 3:31 PM

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kinda feel like I wasted a hour of my life, but decided to compare the concrete recipies.

Did not go as far as power efficiency, space, or alternate resource input needs ( eg. how much stuff you need to make the alt recipe extras)

📎 concrete_recipe_comparison.PNG

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@ripe lava 16, unless you overclock it.

ripe lava Apr 24, 2020, 3:43 PM

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overclocked to 200%

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 3:43 PM

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then yes, it is 32. your belt? mk4?

ripe lava Apr 24, 2020, 3:43 PM

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mk3

glacial hemlock Apr 24, 2020, 3:49 PM

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then it is 18, until you have mk4 belt, then become 32

tawny chasm Apr 24, 2020, 6:54 PM

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looks to me like wet concrete is pretty good then

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i'd rather use rubber and quartz for other things

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water is almost free 😄

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nice w ork @upbeat tide

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post it to the main subreddit if you haven't already!

modest elk Apr 24, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Help

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Do you guys have a setup for heavy modular frame i'm new and struggling to properly automate this item

jade yew Apr 24, 2020, 8:23 PM

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https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator I recommend an online calculator.

tawny chasm Apr 25, 2020, 1:54 AM

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oh nice

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somehow i have not used that particular calculator

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been waiting on greeny to update his tool cos i really like his too, i think it's the most user friendly so far and has nice features

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but this one isn't bad

glacial hemlock Apr 25, 2020, 3:10 AM

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It is just that you can't drag it around

bitter jacinth Apr 25, 2020, 4:23 AM

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How many coal generators can a single water extractor support at a time? Say with optimal pressure and they are right beside the extractor, etc

Was seeing my 10 coal generators are using 91 m3/min each and the 4 water extractors say they pump 120M3/min... which sounds like I'd need a lot more than 4 water extractors to me

pine wedge Apr 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

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1 extractor @ 100% can power 2.66 generators

upbeat tide Apr 25, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Each coal gen needs 45m3/min of water

bitter jacinth Apr 25, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Interesting. All 10 of my generators are at 250% (which I remember reading before it would be better to add more instead so I may do that in teh near future) and are maxed at 50m3

glacial hemlock Apr 25, 2020, 5:10 AM

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But you are not using the full 250% (actually, 202%) of your power

copper gale Apr 25, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Does anyone have a sheet for a factory that produces everything?

lofty pumice Apr 25, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Its maths

woeful skiff Apr 25, 2020, 4:02 PM

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But not really on topic math. But wait, you have to add up 4 numbers for the second row, and the 4 smallest numbers available 1+2+3+4 = 10. And you have to have a single number in the third row, the largest number you can put there is 9, which is less then 10. So how is that even possible?

heady smelt Apr 25, 2020, 4:54 PM

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i added all things in big system and first discovery was that 2x (where x = number to which each row should be added total) is equal to 15

so this and the fact that smallest sum of 4 is 10 and max single dot is 9 i call this bullshit

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31 + 41 + 42 = 15
31 = x
41 + 42 = x
2x = 15

glacial hemlock Apr 25, 2020, 5:43 PM

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@copper gale https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=nuclear-fuel-rod:45&t=turbo-motor:153&t=supercomputer:147&t=computer:10&t=alclad-aluminum-sheet:19&t=cartridge:30&t=nobelisk:50&t=cable:100&t=iron-plate:20&t=iron-rod:20&t=copper-sheet:20&t=concrete:100&t=crystal-oscillator:11&t=encased-industrial-beam:25&t=filter:20&t=iodine-infused-filter:20&t=heavy-modular-frame:790&t=high-speed-connector:20&t=modular-frame:30&t=motor:20&t=packaged-fuel:20&t=plastic:100&t=rubber:100&t=screw:100&t=quickwire:100&t=radio-control-unit:3&t=reinforced-iron-plate:20&t=rotor:20&t=spiked-rebar:20&t=steel-beam:20&t=steel-pipe:20&t=wire:100&t=ai-limiter:20&t=automated-wiring:50&t=versatile-framework:50&t=circuit-board:20&t=smart-plating:50&c=r:uranium,cap,1800&c=r:iron-ore,cap,70380&c=r:copper-ore,cap,28860&c=r:coal,cap,31680&c=r:sulfur,cap,6840&c=r:caterium-ore,cap,11040&c=r:bauxite,cap,7800&c=r:raw-quartz,cap,10500&c=r:limestone,cap,52860&c=r:crude-oil,cap,7500&c=r:alien-carapace,cap,0&c=r:alien-organs,cap,0&c=r:mycelia,cap,0&c=r:wood,cap,0&c=r:leaves,cap,0&or&ar

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This produces everything

upbeat tide Apr 25, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Dont build nuclear with everything though. Only comment I have there

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Radiation is a killa

wanton island Apr 25, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Numbers from Top to bottom.... not in order of triangles but by circles... so the first row has two.. next row of 4 circles.. next row of 1 ..last of two... numbers are... 4, 2, 3, 8, 6, 7, 1, 9, 5

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so triangle one has 4+3+8, triangle 2 has 2+6+7, triangle 3 has 1+9+5, middle triangle has 8+6+1

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obviously the key is 8, 6, 1

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wait, each row adds to the same total?

copper gale Apr 25, 2020, 6:28 PM

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@glacial hemlock thanks

inland shadow Apr 25, 2020, 9:04 PM

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How many foundations can pipe transfer liquid before starting to drop (I have 300m^3 at the source)? I want to keep 300m^3 the whole way so I want to know how often I need to put a pump

woeful skiff Apr 25, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Vertically it is 20m, which is 20/4 = 5 8x4 foundations tall.

inland shadow Apr 25, 2020, 9:07 PM

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this is all horizontal, no vertical lift involved

woeful skiff Apr 25, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Horizontally I think it's indefinite? Or at least, I've never ran anything long enough to require any pumping horizontally.

torpid robin Apr 25, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I have some prettt long pipes with no pumps and no problems

bright osprey Apr 25, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeh - although there is some weird behaviour if you go down then back up over long distance. I normally stick one pump at the beginning to make sure

inland shadow Apr 25, 2020, 9:11 PM

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I found it out 450m or 56 foundations

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I was at 92 foundations

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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After 450m, fluid flow reduces?

upbeat tide Apr 26, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Smth like that yea

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 4:47 AM

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water extractor have base presure 10, can i increase it?

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 4:54 AM

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yes with pumps

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 4:56 AM

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pump increase water presure?

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how much?10%?

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 4:56 AM

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sure do.. by 20

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20 meters... or (for math purposes) 5 8by4 foundations worth

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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do that work on oil extractor?

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 4:58 AM

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you put the pumps on the pipes

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and yes all liquids

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 4:59 AM

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if the presure increase so the liquid transportation speed increase too right?

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 5:00 AM

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as far as i know... there is no way to get over 300m3 per second

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so you just build and extra pipline which isn't actually that hard with the stacking pipline things

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the pumps are really just for headlift...

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otherwise like i said... build a second or third pipeline

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im using 3 to get my 900 m3 of oil to my bae

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base

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 5:03 AM

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if the pipe can only transver 300 m3/sec and my oil extractor extract rate is 480m3/sec and i split the liquiid into two direction the first pipe get 150m3/sec and the second pipe get 150m3/sec too

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 5:04 AM

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hmm sounds buggy... just take out that extra boost item and accept that 300 is the max

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for now

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who knows they may add new pipes to increase throughput

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 5:05 AM

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so just decrease the overclock ratio so i just get 300m3/min?

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 5:05 AM

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yeah i would

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sounds like for now you are just wasting power

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 5:05 AM

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yes

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and i hate nuclear power plant it generate 300 waste and i cant delete that waste

coral salmon Apr 26, 2020, 5:08 AM

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hmmm honestly i have not actually built a functioning power plant... but i guess just build a ton of storage containers and let it go there

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damn now i need to go play... thanks....

nocturne jay Apr 26, 2020, 5:13 AM

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your welcome

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Yes, there is no way to push the flow rate in a pipe over 300, in any pipe segment. This includes the very short pipe between the oil extractor and the pipe junction.

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Oil can be overclocked to 600, but only 300/min will flow out

dusky rock Apr 26, 2020, 7:02 AM

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It's a shame we cant overclock oil at the moment for what its truely worth

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 7:03 AM

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You have plenty of oil anyway

dusky rock Apr 26, 2020, 7:05 AM

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You can never have enough oil lol

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 7:38 AM

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yes it is a shame. To overcome it, use your best combination of alts to squeeze the most out of it.

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200 plastic from 300 oil can be boosted to 900 plastic per 300 oil

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Been playing with the idea of 3-lane-bus

📎 3-lane-bus-proto.webp

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idea is to have left lane priority lane for output

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 10:27 AM

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unfortunately it does not work all to well, as splitters see belt output as full unless i make this hell of a contraption a lot larger with more belt distance between splitters and mergers

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double the area needed for the splitters and mergers to get an idea of space requirement.

📎 3-lane-bus-update.webp

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Vertical bus did the trick and A LOT easier to expand with additional capacity.

📎 vertical-bus.webp

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 10:52 AM

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I would suggest just use an overflow splitter.

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Yea its meant as a main bus through a huge factory that way i can just addhook to the bus where ever i need material at the end it will all go to a sink.

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so basically its just a multi level overflow splitter

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I would suggest not using bus 🙂

sand garnet Apr 26, 2020, 11:07 AM

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But taxis are more expensive greeny

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 11:17 AM

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🇬 🇪 🇹 🇴 🇺 🇹

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 11:49 AM

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yeah i know i should avoid it but making things overly complicated is just so fun tho 😛

heady smelt Apr 26, 2020, 11:49 AM

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i hope those lifts don't directly attach to splitters/mergers cause it's cursed

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 12:23 PM

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making stuff over complicated because we can

📎 v-bus.webp

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and it works 🙂

midnight grove Apr 26, 2020, 12:32 PM

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teh more complicated the more fun

limpid scaffold Apr 26, 2020, 12:34 PM

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now to handcraft this for 30+ different materials with multiple outputs 😅

deep lark Apr 26, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Seems like satisfactory to me, nothing different XD

ripe lava Apr 26, 2020, 2:25 PM

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how many constructors for 1 pure node of concrete overclocked to 200%

shell kraken Apr 26, 2020, 2:33 PM

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How I make my production line waste gates (Orange cells are Elevators that connect over the top of the splitters / mergers.

📎 Satisfactory_Super_Splitter.jpg

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 2:46 PM

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you can just use train with two stops to have 100% overflow splitter

strong hare Apr 26, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I use trains where I can... and mods with actual smart splitters where that doesnt work 😄

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BUt the Splitter/merger lins works nicley if you dont/cant use eaither

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 4:12 PM

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every additional splitter / merger reduces the leak by 2/3 of the previous

ripe lava Apr 26, 2020, 4:24 PM

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can you have 16 smelters for 480 iron ore/M

shy mason Apr 26, 2020, 4:39 PM

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once you get mk 4 belts in teir 6 if you're relying on a single miner.

upbeat tide Apr 26, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Alclad questions

I want to make at least 100/min

I already have all the alts, are any in this chain worth using? The alu alt? Alu scrap alt? Etc?

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Default scrap + alt aluminum ingot

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Cheap silica too

fierce ruin Apr 26, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Quick Question, could someone post an up close pic of a bus system for me? I'm new to complicated Satisfactory.

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Hello?

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Oh. Someone is probably setting it up and screenshotting it. I'll be patient.

lime imp Apr 26, 2020, 7:11 PM

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A bus system isnt that complex

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 7:27 PM

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but also not very efficient, you may consider doing build without a bus

upbeat tide Apr 26, 2020, 7:46 PM

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I use busses to bring in close range (less than 1km) resource nodes to my production centers.

Other bus use for me is moving products from one facility to another.

Both of these are not “main” busses tho

sand garnet Apr 26, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I want a stationary bike that links to a generator in the game so i dont have to farm biomass early game lol

shy mason Apr 26, 2020, 8:16 PM

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WIth the creature respawning in my base, I'm just using their carapaces to fuel my early game burners if you skip tier 0 and use Mam immediatly

wind spade Apr 26, 2020, 8:45 PM

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@upbeat tide you mean you use belts?

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bus is something different than a long belt lol

upbeat tide Apr 26, 2020, 8:47 PM

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True but they tend to look like busses after a bit 🙂

shy mason Apr 26, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Buses on computer boards are the multi use cables between components on the mother boards, with cpu controlling which components send / receive the signals needed to transfer necessary databits / addresses between various memory / network/ processing components. So in Satisfactory terms they are often where you coordinate the mixing of items on the belt upstream and the separation downstream before they enter the machine, or it becomes jammed and unusable.

sand garnet Apr 26, 2020, 9:21 PM

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That explanation is Nuts

woeful skiff Apr 26, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Actually circuit board design is the one place in computers where when people say bus they really are just referring to a group of wires* run together. (pcb traces on the board, actually). Other than that very lowest level what I think of as the distinguishing factor is that a bus that more than one component is communicating over it -- versus a straight connection where it is one thing connected to one other thing and those only those two things.

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A simple bus can accomplish that through timing, a higher level bus (requiring smarter components) can have a protocol.

glacial hemlock Apr 26, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Bus is a group of spaghetti pulled straight.

rose ferry Apr 27, 2020, 12:01 AM

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So, to people above saying no bus, What do you use?

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 12:16 AM

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dedicated factories built near nodes and shipping final products to storage

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@rose ferry

rose ferry Apr 27, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Ok, That makes some sense.

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 12:20 AM

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less lag too

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Little point in amassing 5000 ore at one location and being unable to move as soon as you start building

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 12:36 AM

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What do you fellas think of this plan?

390 alclad alu sheets / min
1A. Use the alu ingot alt
1B. Thats 780/min alu ingots
Use the plastic and silica for computers, silicon circuit boards n such

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Not understand your plan. Try to be more specific about your goal, like '10 turbomotors /min'

tawny chasm Apr 27, 2020, 12:44 AM

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yeah ditto

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what's the /exact/ plan 😄

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 12:45 AM

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is 15 the speed of mk1 belts and then 30 mk2 60mk3 or wut

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Plan is simple

Make 390/min alclad

And use the byproducts for computers

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And my byproducts here are plastic, water, and silica

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Really as simple as that

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 AM

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@fierce ruin 60/120/270/480/780 for belt speeds

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 12:52 AM

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i was looking at this

📎 Tjt4HCH.png

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theres 15!

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how u get 15

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 AM

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split 30 in two belts

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or just use manifold and not do any balancing

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 12:55 AM

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ok ty

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 12:56 AM

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That's pretty much exactly what me and my friend who played factorio together built the weekend the he and I played satisfactory for the first time.

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Before I learned how to play satisfactory

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 12:58 AM

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started playing like 5 days ago with a friend, we got to mk2 belts and are starting a new one to get a better start since we know things better xd

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:00 AM

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For a starter base, that'll get the job done, so in that respect there's nothing wrong with it. You'll discover its pitfalls though. It will be hard to upgrade -- in fact I wouldn't try to. I'd leave it, and build bigger elsewhere. It also takes up a ton of space, but meh, there's a ton of space to work with.

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:01 AM

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epic

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do the speed of the belts in that matter or can i just go with the fastest i got

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

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There's no harm in using too fast a belt.

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:04 AM

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mkay

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:05 AM

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I'm trying to think if what I just said is 100% true.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:05 AM

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The only consideration for belt speed is if you are producing more than the belt can handle

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If you have mk4 belts but you are only producing 10 reinforced iron plates for example, no harm with using lower or faster belts.

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BUT if you need lets say 240 screws for something you cant do that with a mk2 belt.

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:07 AM

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ty

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:08 AM

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The “items moved a minute” is the only thing you should care about. In the end

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Do you prefer to see slow moving densely packed belts flowing through your factory, or do you want things zooming by quickly even if it's more sparse. 🤷

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:09 AM

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z o o m

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I like to see densely packed belts zooming quickly if possible 🙂

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:10 AM

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that too

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:11 AM

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If your building enough of the materials for the belt u want then no harm in the end

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I personally use a mix of mk4’s and 5’s these days

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I don't have mk5 and I pretty much use exclusively mk4. Simplifies inventory management.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 AM

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You need mk5 to get the max out of a pure node

Or a normal at 250%

But making alclad is an intensive process

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Upon reaching trains I have stalled r&d efforts and am focusing on expansion.

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I don't even have a space elevator set up at the moment, let alone started working on the last delivery.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Next delivery is alot of stuff

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I should probably get it going so it can chug along while I expand.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Store up alot of versitile frames, modular engines and adaptive control units

tawny chasm Apr 27, 2020, 1:15 AM

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i mostly use mk5 and mk1 😄

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not automated mk5 belts yet

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not since update 3. But fortunately i stockpiled quite a lot of them before update 3 dropped so, so far I'm ok. But i am starting to run low 😄

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Im planning a 390/min alclad system...not simple

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Was in similar position, stocked up 10k EIB and alclad before update 3

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:34 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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whats this splitter for, to delay?

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:36 AM

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splitters don't delay things

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Its not splitting to anything else tho

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:42 AM

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s0 its purpose is pointless

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:42 AM

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There's really no reason to put storage containers between every step like that diagram does.

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I think that splitter is a mistake.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:42 AM

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Unless you want to store stuff for later use

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I do something like that

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Soutce — S — storage M — exit

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Splitter and merger are connected to form a bypass

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:43 AM

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so i can get rid of the ugh iron ore and iron ingot storages ye

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:44 AM

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between every single one though?

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Ooh those? Yea no need to store ores and ingots

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No I setup storage for end products

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:44 AM

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aight ill only store the main parts like rods plates etc

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:44 AM

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oh duh of course 😄

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Iron plates, rods, wire, cable, etc are still very valuable even in late game

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I didn't say no storage, I was commenting on the picture from earlier.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I can go through 5k iron plates just in building walls without even a blunk of the eye

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 1:45 AM

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ty for all the help :> good community

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 5:25 AM

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@woeful skiff I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to belt speed by working under the assumption that greater belt speed = more updates per second for your cpu

dim thicket Apr 27, 2020, 5:54 AM

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As far as I know, it's the opposite. Higher belt speed = less parts on your belts

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 5:59 AM

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not sure on whether that would be more a gpu thing than cpu though

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depends on how it's coded

dull bolt Apr 27, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Adding numbers is the same operations so it does not take extra time... the only time it would take longer if you have overflows. And barely then it's noticable.

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 7:21 AM

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The game is ultimately cpu-bound, so I'm suspicious of anything involving larger numbers on the label 👁️

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Cpu bounded- quickly see linux tech video to learn how to setup a supercomputer at home

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 8:04 AM

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don't or you're bound to drop things

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Lol

serene ruin Apr 27, 2020, 8:13 AM

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My fuel generators are using less than 15m3 normal fuel per minute. Is this a known thing or am I missing something?
I am currently running four refineries that are supposed to be putting out 40m3 each and if fuel generators use 15m3 then I should be able to run ~10.33 fuel generators but I am running 14 generators and one of the refineries are backed up

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~10.66*

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Either I am completely off after checking several times or fuel gens just don't use 15m3 of normal fuel per minute

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 8:44 AM

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but do you use this much energy tho?

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they produce % of you consumption
unless you fully use energy capacity they will underwork

serene ruin Apr 27, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Oh ffs. Right

oblique hollow Apr 27, 2020, 8:45 AM

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people like forgetting that

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a lot

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 8:45 AM

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well i don't really care i just connect and see my capacity grow and be happy

serene ruin Apr 27, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I'm sorry, I'm a dufus. Getting liquids going and preparing for aluminum is making my head spin. Thanks for the help

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 8:46 AM

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np

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 10:44 AM

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in real life, power plants are monitored and are underclocked in realtime to match the power consumption. (not referring to frequency though)

obtuse sundial Apr 27, 2020, 11:49 AM

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@glacial hemlock actually frequency is one way they measure supply vs demand. At least any place using turbines.

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 11:50 AM

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If oversupply, the frequency will go up

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True, so the frequency shall be maintained

obtuse sundial Apr 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

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yup, and under it goes down. it's actually one of the problems with many green energy sources. One of the major thing that keeps the frequency stable is the many many many tonnes of spinning metal in turbines, due to inertia it takes a lot to change their speed, and hence the frequency. Giving the system a time to adjust to the new demand. Most renewable don't use turbines and don't have that inertia.

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 12:35 PM

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turbines are in wind power and i think also in hydro

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right?

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 12:46 PM

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yea I was going to say earlier, solar is really the only thing that doesn't use turbines, except hydrogen fuel cells I guess, but I decided not go down the off topic rabbit hole 🙂

obtuse sundial Apr 27, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Hydro yes, Wind no. They are the big vanes are called turbines, but are a different style. They are also not synchronous to the grid, there is electronics in-between the generator and the grid that adjust the frequency. Main reason being we can't control how fast the wind blows, so we can't control how fast the turbine spins.

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 12:49 PM

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still a turbine

obtuse sundial Apr 27, 2020, 12:50 PM

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yes, but doesn't add to the system inertia. so if you have a grid just powered by wind, you would need additional measures to balance the instantaneous demand.

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Battery buffers?

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Alright, I defer to your expertise. But circumstances that prevent the inertia of the turbine playing a role in balancing production to consumption is a wholly different statement than "doesn't use turbines"

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 12:54 PM

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well it's a problem
what would happen if we don't lower production to match demand? what will be overload of this outcome?

woeful skiff Apr 27, 2020, 12:57 PM

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There are entire power plants in the us that run for a fraction of a day per year just to satisfy peak demand but are not needed 99% of the time. Once batteries are good enough and cheap enough power companies will pay to put a battery in every customers house. It will eliminate insane amounts of overhead and turn large scale power distribution completely upside down.

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Just my prediction.

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what would happen if we don't lower production to match demand? what will be overload of this outcome?
That electricity has to go somewhere and will find naturally find the path of least resistance to the lower potential, aka ground, and probably cause a fair amount of damage on the way there.

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well no, actually probably transmission wires would just start to get hotter and hotter until they structurally failed

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then the arcing

obtuse sundial Apr 27, 2020, 1:02 PM

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And the screaming and the burning and the oy vey...

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And battery buffers are one option they are looking at, also fly wheels, pumped storage, compressed gas storage. And the answer in the long run will probably be a bit of all of them.

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Decided to see how much I can get out of diluted residual fuel -> turbofuel system

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Ran these numbers

600m3/min oil -> 20 rubber refineries -> 400/min rubber, 400m3/min HOR
900m3/min water -> 13.3333333 packaged water refineries -> 800/min packaged water out
water is in line with the DRF refinery it feeds
Diluted -> 13.3333333 refineries -> 800/min packaged fuel
unpack fuel -> 13.3333333 refineries -> 800m3/min fuel
Turbofuel -> 35.6 refineries -> 800m3/min fuel + 533.3/min compacted coal -> 666.6m3/min Turbofuel
148 fuel generators -> 22,200MW power generated

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Seem right?

strong hare Apr 27, 2020, 1:17 PM

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@upbeat tide Looks about right. I went with a oil->heavy->diluted fuel-Turbo for my power system I just made (screen in screenshots) and uses the following:
270 Oil - 480 Sulfur/Coal - 720 Water Transformed Into 600 Turbo Fuel for 128 FuelGens at 19,200W of power. (I can put a few more Gens i n there, but the numbers are more 'even' this way) 😄

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Yea im considering scaling down to 600 turbo too

glacial hemlock Apr 27, 2020, 1:49 PM

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You have to be very sure about the rubber belt will never backup.

strong hare Apr 27, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Indeed. When it comes to power especially I leave no room for error when it comes to things getting backed up (anything 'excess gets sinked' - my current one has some residue that I sink)

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Yea 400 a min rubber can be very useful, but indeed, sacrafices I suppose

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Actually decided to cut out rubber/plastic

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Replace that stage entirely with the HOR alt

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Crude -> HOR/resin

covert rune Apr 27, 2020, 2:28 PM

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What exactly is this channel about..?

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mathporn?

summer field Apr 27, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Why did you just say math twice?

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 2:33 PM

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?

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 2:33 PM

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XD

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 2:34 PM

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With the HOR alt I can get 800m3/min HOR instead of 400 with rubber. Same number of refineries and 600m3/min oll

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Thats insane for this need, and ill just be sinking resin, which I still feel isnt that valuable of a byproduct

analog zephyr Apr 27, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Question what is the max flow rate of pipes?

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And is there a way to get expanded flow rates

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 2:52 PM

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300m3 per min

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input for a pipe cannot exceed it

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in that sense they're just like belts

shy mason Apr 27, 2020, 2:55 PM

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just that they can go backwards if the flow directs it

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Snutt hates us 😦

willow igloo Apr 27, 2020, 3:03 PM

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what we need.... is mk 2 pipes

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maybe make them bigger or just have a different animation.

serene ruin Apr 27, 2020, 3:11 PM

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They'd have to make mk2 wall pipe holes and stuff if they were to be bigger

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 3:34 PM

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im guessing theyre just going to go with different materials rather than size inreases

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 3:54 PM

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and it'll have to be pretty exotic material indeed

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as iron, steel, copper, plastic - it doesn't matter what your material is in the real world - flow rate = inner diamer x speed

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:55 PM

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friction may play some role tho

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and viscosity and stuff like that

compact hornet Apr 27, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Friction doesn't 😂

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It's a liquid m8

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:56 PM

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and you think liquids don't have friction?

compact hornet Apr 27, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I'm a physicist. I know they dont

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:57 PM

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they do actually

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it's proportional to fluid viscosity

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 3:57 PM

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1+1?

idle sundial Apr 27, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yes they do have friction

compact hornet Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Ah wait I forgot the Darcy formula

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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@fierce ruin hahaha you're so funny. Seriously. Stop this stupid joke

compact hornet Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Doesn't look significant tho

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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aggressive

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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well it matters a bit. The numbers may not be significant, but they are there 😉

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also, material matters, since better pipe material means you can have higher pressure in the pipe and therefore more speed -> more throughput

vapid hazel Apr 27, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I need to play satisfactory more so I can make use of the mathematical perfection that is possible

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 4:00 PM

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@fierce ruin well you're the one that posts spam / meaningless messages

idle sundial Apr 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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greeny your wasting your time

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I guess I have nothing better to do 😄

idle sundial Apr 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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oh well

fleet cypress Apr 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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1 + 1 = 3

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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ffs

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 4:30 PM

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And here I was thinking my sense of humor was bottom of the barrell

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 4:31 PM

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what is 10 -56? im dumb xD

wise obsidian Apr 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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What is the fluid capacity on freight cars/stations in Experimental? The desert is throwing a wrench in my factory plans.

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 4:57 PM

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1600

old socket Apr 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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10 - 56 is -46

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lol

primal blade Apr 27, 2020, 5:57 PM

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You guys want to figure out the Quantum Stability Of The Existential Life On Satisfactory?

sand garnet Apr 27, 2020, 5:59 PM

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perhaps.

shy mason Apr 27, 2020, 6:37 PM

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so as long as your hard drive is powered does your game world persist, otherwise it just poofs out of existence.

heady smelt Apr 27, 2020, 6:48 PM

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@primal blade 42 obviously dumb question

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Just realized my insane turbofuel production is gonna make 1000m3/min when its all said and done.

4 pipes with 250m3/min each

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 10:32 PM

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clearly you haven't seen imkibitz

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 10:32 PM

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I have but im only worjin with 600m3 oil

fierce ruin Apr 27, 2020, 10:32 PM

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oh ok

strong hare Apr 27, 2020, 10:33 PM

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only watch kibitz if you want to feel small and insignifigant with your builds... lol

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 10:33 PM

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And it can feed 220fuel gens

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Each turbo pipe can do 55

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600 crude

To

600 HOR (could do 800 but chose to UC to 75%)

To

1200 fuel

To

1000 turbo

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Soo did some comparisons

600m3/min crude is the baseline

Standard turbofuel path

Crude -> fuel -> turbo

333.333333 turbo a min

Heavy turbo fuel

Crude -> rubber(HOR byproduct) —> turbofuel

320 turbo a min

Crude -> HOR ALT -> turbo

640 turbo a min

Diluted fuel

Crude -> HOR ALT -> diluted -> turbo

1000 turbo a min

weary ravine Apr 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Gah, that formatting

upbeat tide Apr 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Interesting comparison between the main methods of fuel production

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Formatting? What formatting? 😄

wind spade Apr 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

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maybe use less spaces in your text

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so I don't have to scroll 5km to read 3 messages

obsidian seal Apr 28, 2020, 12:26 AM

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omg doing math on my own for 60 tubro motors... let me take a break 😄

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I can't seem to get the right balance in my oil line. On the fuel side, producing fuel and using the byproduct to make plastic and rubber, I eventually top out fuel and it stops the process. On the Heavy Oil side, producing fuel and petroleum coal out of the heavy oil, the petroleum coal usage drops sharply and the whole process also stops. It seems to step from not using enough fuel...but..my power is already to a point where I'm only using 50% capacity.

obsidian seal Apr 28, 2020, 12:28 AM

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been doin good like im almost done than i looked last thing up... radio units still need some more calculations... 🙂

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:29 AM

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You got to keep things flowing 100%

Either sink it or use it all in a product.

That end product also needs to never stop.

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I keep having to manually empty out my fuel...but that's not very automated.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Like if your using the residual plastic recipe, and the plastic for something you gotta keep that chain constantly moving too

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:30 AM

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That's the problem...I keep running out of plastic because the oil process stops due to too much fuel or heavy oil

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Thats why I sink resin instead of using it.

I use coke for steel tho

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But I use a sink balancer to make sure the coke never stops

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Source — S — S — M - process

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Connect first splitter and merger. Second splitter goes to a sink

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:33 AM

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ok, I'll give that a try. The coke must flow.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:33 AM

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It creates a bypass. So the process your using the resin or coke for can always get its resources, and excess gets tossed.

fierce ruin Apr 28, 2020, 12:34 AM

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??

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:40 AM

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ok, @upbeat tide so that basically means at any time you lose 25% of your coke, but in case of overflow, there's a sink for it.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Explain your inquiery

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Yea that its point, its a bypass for overflow. If your steel making, alu or whatever the coke is used in backs up, storage gets maxed, etc then that bypass will save your butt

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Hmm. Seems like we need a 'really' smart splitter. Go right all the time, unless you can't , then go left.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Think a mod out there does that but yea would be nice

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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There is one, it just requires a small building to house it.

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:44 AM

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I'll keep an eye on it for a few hours and see how it holds out, but I think you just solved all my problems.

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LOL @woeful skiff

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I try to avoid merger/splitter contraptions the size of buildings as much as I can.

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 12:46 AM

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you can just use trains for overflow

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:46 AM

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They aren't actually that big, compared to how much space everything takes up in this game.

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:47 AM

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explain the idea with trains please

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Using trains for overflow is good til you forget to check the storage of what your making, or forget to sink that stuff too so it doesnt stop

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From my exp anyway

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 12:47 AM

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two stations. First station: belts go in and out (through the platforms) to storage. Second station: everything is sinked

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train takes out any excess after storage is full

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:49 AM

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You'd need two trains there, right? One to deliver, the other to haul away the excess?

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 12:49 AM

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no

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there's no delivery

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Right I don't know what I'm thinking a station can't do both.

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Train overflow is nice. I have an "Awesome Sink" station that most of my trains go to after they have 'dropped' off at their normal stops. Majority of my factories are always running 😄

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 12:50 AM

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--> Station 1 --> Storage
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        V
    Station 2 --> Sink

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yeah, that's other option, you have 3 stops

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Pick up --> Drop Off --> Sink Station

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:50 AM

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oooh...that way you can mass 'sink' through your bus line!

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:51 AM

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It basiclly does the same thing my solution does, but that has alot of storage. Mine is in-line so to speak.

Dofferent solutions for different uses

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 12:51 AM

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📎 ks7778a677i41.png

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I get it

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:51 AM

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it puts everything in storage unless storage is full

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 12:52 AM

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But I use that for 'end products' Anything that needs to be sinked mid production gets a 'priority' spilter/merger system (usually 5 splitters / mergers stacked) to get lik 99% to the priority until it backs up

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Nice! I like it.

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 12:52 AM

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takes a bit of room, but super useful 🙂

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Wish sink had a fluid port. Would make life a little easier

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Stick at the end of a fuel system, never back up 🙂

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 12:54 AM

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So far I've just been going with the splitter/merger elevator with 5, which only wastes 0.4% before the priority output backs up.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Not the prettiest of draw.io jobs

But for an inline sink that isnt complex I like this personally

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strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Would be nice if the smart splitters were.. smarter, lol

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But luckily.. there are mods that have actual smart splitters which reduce all of those into a singular splitter 🙂 (most of my overflow still goes out via train though)

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Perhaps, but this seems to be a fundamental need, no? If not a 'really' smart splitter/merger combo, then perhaps some logic machines that will allow us to work in simple decision making branches to our process lines.

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Granted, I'm sure this has been rehashed many times.

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I'm relatively new to the game, so the thoughts start to come to me.

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 1:06 AM

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It does get talked about a lot. They even talked about it on a stream a few weeks back.

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I'm afraid of misquoting them, but the message I got was basically the devs agree at least with the premise that there's something missing along those lines that they'd like to be there in the final game, but are still working it how they want to do it.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 1:09 AM

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The thing with logics like that is its not simple to develop. Even less simpler to perfect. Its something you would expect alot of glitchiness and bugs for a while

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Also their priority right now is cross save, steam release, and working out the kinks with the multi hotbar experimental release

fast rain Apr 28, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I understand...priorities.

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 1:16 AM

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If only we had logic like factorio logic system... ok.. it doesnt need to be that complex.. but one can dream, lol

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 1:17 AM

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We dont need little bots IMO

But that said logistic based storage transfers would be very useful.

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I already have factorio though I can play it whenever I want.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Out building your next facility far away from your usual storage and need more crete or something? Drop down a shared storage, power it, and let the magic happen 🙂

We can dream

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

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I meant logic as in beaing able to turn on/off productions lines with T-Flip Flop types gates and such.. we dont need no robo-factories, lol

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Or a signal / alarm type thing where if storage goes under XX amount - trigger an alert on the UI (like if you backup fuel storages went under 50%, play an alert type deal)

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Again.. all pipe dreams.. for now 🙂

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I don't like to speculate too much, I'm really enjoying what we've got and would rather just wait and see what they do next. I'm also really anticipating a lot of great mods to fill in all these other great ideas people have that won't be in the game.

strong hare Apr 28, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Indeed, already a good amount of mods filling the 'gaps' 🙂

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 1:33 AM

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I'm probably going to go all in on mods someday but so far still play vanilla.

hearty vapor Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Most mods are cheats, and dont add much to the game. Except one of the overflow splitters I wouldnt use any of the mods.

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I would disagree with mods like MoarFactory that are cosmetic in nature tho

torpid robin Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 AM

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probl;em with mods. every time there is a decent update anything you have modded now wont work

hearty vapor Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 AM

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^ that too

upbeat tide Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 AM

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True, but I was expecting to need to restart when update 3 happened, and instead of redesigning my already massive base I just restarted.

Easier that way imo

dim thicket Apr 28, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Take a look at factorio, which has many mods just to make the game harder. I'm eager for those

sacred gust Apr 28, 2020, 5:57 AM

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@dim thicket "Nuts and berries don't respawn" mod for me, please.

north merlin Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Has anyone ever done the math on the maximum number of nuclear reactors that can run off of all 3 of the uranium nodes assuming they run at 100% constantly?

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 6:47 AM

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more than two

dull bolt Apr 28, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Atleast five?

sand garnet Apr 28, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Such bold assumptions

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 7:23 AM

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that's not bold assumption

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more than two

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that is a bold assumption

north merlin Apr 28, 2020, 7:57 AM

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So I did the math a while ago and apparently using the base recipes you can get 117 of them. Sadly limited by the mk4 conveyer belts. 180 if you could use the full potential of the overclocked Mk3 Miners.

sand garnet Apr 28, 2020, 7:58 AM

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We have mk5 belts

north merlin Apr 28, 2020, 7:58 AM

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I meant Mk5 belts.

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780 resources per min

sand garnet Apr 28, 2020, 7:59 AM

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With alts it used to be somewhere around 144 i think

north merlin Apr 28, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Actually with the alts it's 614.25 Reactors

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With the Mk5Belts.

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Mk6 Belts and you could go up to 945 Reactors

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That's 2.36 TeraWatts of power.

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If you would actually use that much power that's nearly 5000 barrels of nuclear waste per minute.

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That's enough to fill an industrial storage every 5 minutes.

sick tendon Apr 28, 2020, 8:17 AM

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use a for

hot delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Can someone tell me the balance of nuclear waste and recycled uranium cell? (using PUREX Fuel Reprocessing)

I mean how many recycled fuel units are made from (for example) 100 nuclear waste.

wind spade Apr 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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this looks like modded content, which doesn't belong here

hot delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Yea I send this post to 5 different channels and I'm waiting for respond

woeful skiff Apr 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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From #rules

We encourage mods for Satisfactory! However, we ask that discussions about mods are handled on the affiliated modding community discord.
You can find a link to that in #welcome

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 12:20 AM

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The process looks very complex, so much fun...

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Soeaking of complex im loving this recipe

Turn

600m3/min crude oil
1200m3/min water
800/min sulfur
800/min coal

Ends in 1000m3/min turbofuel, 220 fuel gens sustained

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 3:02 AM

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1000m3 from 600 oil? Are you sure....?

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upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:06 AM

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im reducing HOR from 800 to 600

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for sake of simplicity

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 AM

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i see.

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you can run with 3 pipes.

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:14 AM

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im considering expanding that way but not sure how to psin off the excess 200 HOR without compromising the other pipes

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that are already at 300

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 3:15 AM

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if you can build 2, you can build 3.

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:19 AM

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this may work

attach a buffer to both pipes, attach another buffer to those, and make a 200 HOR line from that should work and not interrupt anything major

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 3:26 AM

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btw, polymer resins can be converted to fabric. But if you want to sink it, sink the resin instead of fabric.

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yea its sinked in this case

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Another 2 water extractors squeezed in (space getting tight) and will work on the final 200/min HOR conversion tomorrow

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Gonna make another 400 fuel/min which equals another 333 ish/min turbo and 74 more gens 🙂

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And im glad I chose to over supply coal and sulfur. Expanding that was simple

fierce hill Apr 29, 2020, 11:37 AM

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@glacial hemlock what is that software again (been out for it for awhile)

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 11:38 AM

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You mean the calculator? It is daniel Satisfactory calculator... try search it

fierce hill Apr 29, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Yeah found it, thank you :3

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 1:03 PM

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anyone tried overflow function on smart splitter yet?

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 1:04 PM

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scroll up #satisfactory-experimental, we've messed around a little

muted carbon Apr 29, 2020, 2:35 PM

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yes works well @glacial hemlock

limpid scaffold Apr 29, 2020, 2:46 PM

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w00t overflow

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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How can I load balance a 240/m Iron ingot line into 12.5/m Cased screw constructors?

sand garnet Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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manifold?

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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if you're moving 240 ingots per minute, just use a manifold lol

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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whats a manifold?

sand garnet Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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a row of splitters

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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just chain splitters into each other

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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wont that back up?

sand garnet Apr 29, 2020, 3:09 PM

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where each splitter feeds the next splitter and a machine to the side

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if there's space, it fills,

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:10 PM

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i mean yeah, it relies on each machine backing up so materials feed to the next

sand garnet Apr 29, 2020, 3:10 PM

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it balances out over time

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:10 PM

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once all the machines are full, you'll have perfect flow assuming your input and output ratios are correct

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you'll just have full buffers and belts

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:11 PM

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I see. I will try this method

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its just an awkward ratio. i'd need 19.2 constructors

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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overclock or underclock one

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Oh right, I forgot I can do that

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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turn 1 constructor into 1.2 :P

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I hate the % underclocking sometimes

Trying to use my last 200/min HOR in my diluted oil system. Got everything setup, but im gonna only make 199.2 turbo (times 2 lines) sadface

Imperfect numbers thanks to needing to underclock one refinery line to 33%

errant summit Apr 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Thank you

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:13 PM

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yeah, not being able to clock perfect thirds is annoying

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error is usually on the order of one extra part in every hundred or so though, so not a huge issue overall

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Well, im using the complex diluted fuel > turbo path

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33% of 60 is 19.2, which doesnt help

manic storm Apr 29, 2020, 3:16 PM

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33% of 60 is 19.8 according to my computer

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 3:19 PM

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200 HOR > 400 fuel > 333turbo theoreticlly

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Yea 19.8 I got myself mixed up with a diff calculation

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Even with the slight irregularity, the end result is the same, 333 turbo

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Im dividing this 200 HOR setment into two sets of 4 refineries, 3 and the 4th at 33% to make the process as evenly distributed as possible

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Still, impressive im making 1333turbo from 600m3 crude, 1800m3 water, and the compacted coal need

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And its 1066 compacted coal total as well

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 6:49 PM

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or just leave everything run at 100%

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if you need to change the clock speed, remember to ceil up to the nearest percent

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Dont produce enoguh for 100%

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Math is 3.33 refineries needed for the diluted fuel stage

glacial hemlock Apr 29, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i mean, let it run, it doesn't hurt...

upbeat tide Apr 29, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Anyway its all built now. Next up the absurd number of fuel gens

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Also I think flow rate is still kinda weird. My final two turbo lines are supposed to make 166m3/min but pipe flow rates into my buffer array say 200+

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178 refineries
44 assemblers
2 oil extractors
6 water pumps
296 fuel gens
44,400MW of power

My biggest project yet

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 9:35 PM

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gusy, since it's mostly math and some calculations in here, i would like to post my tool (hopefully more than few in soon) that allows you to plan almost entire factory, with realtime calculations out of the box
https://toolbox.satisfactory.lucek.io/

For now i would recommend to stick with "Factory planner" which i focus on mostly right now.
I'm trying to perform at least few updates/day with smaller and larger features, bugfixes and so on

Thank you for checking, testing and eventual feedback

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 9:59 PM

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hey @rugged scarab i'm testing out the tool and was wondering if there's a way to see the "net" production for a given item?

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like if i wanted to know how many extra steel pipes i'm making

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 10:00 PM

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production/consumption, and there's alro 3rd colum which is consumption to production rate

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nothing else than that, however it may be added anytime (just noone before asked for, and wasn't that necesary for me :D)

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 10:01 PM

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ah ok, just thought it'd be nice so i know how many extra i can send to stock pile or just to the item sink

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 10:01 PM

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so in this case, for Steel Beam you produce 360/min while consume is 0

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 10:02 PM

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yeah, for this case i more seeing if i was producing enough steel pipes to stock pile it somewhere

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other than that though it works great so far

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 10:06 PM

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i'm not an frontdev, nor any of UI/UX related, so usability migh be pretty poor 😐

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 10:07 PM

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it works relatively well, the only 2 UI features i think it may be missing so far is being able to drag/drop groups

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and setting # of buildings/overclock values manually in the text input

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maybe have the "Details" collapsible bar be a slightly different color too so it stands out more

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 10:09 PM

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yeah, groups drag&drop are planned for this wekend

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and also were thinking about pointing details with different color tho

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@weak hollow i've added NET into stats, simply refresh the page

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 10:12 PM

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oh wow that was fast, thanks!

rugged scarab Apr 29, 2020, 10:12 PM

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yw, thanks for testing this out

weak hollow Apr 29, 2020, 10:14 PM

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np

flat loom Apr 30, 2020, 2:17 AM

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coal or compacted coal best?

upbeat tide Apr 30, 2020, 2:20 AM

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For what use?

flat loom Apr 30, 2020, 2:20 AM

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for power

upbeat tide Apr 30, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Coal is 15 a min
Compacted is 7.14 a min

flat loom Apr 30, 2020, 2:21 AM

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nice

upbeat tide Apr 30, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Also compacted is a pre req for turbofuel... which is more insane

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Fuel is also 15m3 a min
Turbofuel is 4.5 a min

granite crow Apr 30, 2020, 2:24 AM

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If sulfur abundant, then go on with compacted

upbeat tide Apr 30, 2020, 2:29 AM

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sulfur is also needed for nobilisks, rifle ammo, etc soo gotta decide

wind spade Apr 30, 2020, 2:36 AM

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those aren't usually produced in large quantities and not 100% of time

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so you usually have just a little bit of sulfur going there (or overflow from power)

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Can someone help with quickwire setup maths

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:45 PM

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ok

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:45 PM

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I know I'ma be underclockong stuff and that's what I wanna do

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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how much input of ore do u have?

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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120

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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ok

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so 3 smelters, u dont have to underclock it it will make the same anyway

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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Catherium+water = ingots +copper ingots = 90/min

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

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I don't have the materials with me

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And I only have the main recipee onny

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:47 PM

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and then 10 constructors making the wire

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after the 3 smelters

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

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120/45 = 3 smelters

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Well I was gonna say how can I just underclock cause I'm currently low on power I can set that setup later

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

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ok

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

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And if I remember right underclockong saves power

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I could be wrong tho

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:48 PM

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so set the last smelter to 30ppm and then just hook them all up to 10 constructors

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pretty sure it does

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:49 PM

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30 would require over clocking

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:49 PM

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no

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Or are you talking taking 30?

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:49 PM

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30 parts per min on the smelters

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:49 PM

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you dont have to use 10 constructors with 120 input

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Hold on I'll need to build factory expansion hold up

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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45 ingots = 4constructors

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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they each take 12/min

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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He sed that he have 120 ore?

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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and he is making 120 of the ingots

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yes

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

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oh nvm than

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:52 PM

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sorry about the terrible diagram

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:54 PM

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120 ore turns to 45 ingots in 3 smelters 2.66 to be exact 2 on 100% 1 on 66%
45 ingots turns to 225quickwire in 4 constructors 3 - 100% 1 - 75%

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:54 PM

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how much quickwire/min does your calculation make?

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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225

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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ok

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wait isnt the ore: ingot ratio 1:1?

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

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ofc no

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3:1

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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oh ignore all my stuff then

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Oh

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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sorry

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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It's 45 ore per minute

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To make 15 ingots per minute

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With stock reccipe

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:56 PM

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did they change that

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i remember it being 1:1

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Im on the base game not experimental so...

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 PM

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You sed that you are mining 120 ore

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 PM

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The smelters bit still is acurate right tho?

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Correct

fierce ruin Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 PM

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sure but the constructor thing is wrong that i said

fiery lagoon Apr 30, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Okay I haven't built all the smelters yet anyway as I don't have all the stuff needed with me

long hinge Apr 30, 2020, 12:58 PM

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Caterium_Ingot

Satisfactory Wiki

Caterium Ingot

Caterium Ingot is mainly used to craft Quickwire which is used in Caterium electronics.