#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 445

left flame Apr 4, 2020, 3:19 PM

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concrete...

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hmmm alternate encased beams>

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 3:47 PM

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In the spirit of the current corona crisis, what is the max amount of mask filters you can produce per minute in satisfactory

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 3:48 PM

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alot

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 4:02 PM

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i will inevitabally end up producing more plastic/rubber than needed at a given time and the train station will overflow, then my heavy oil stops, preventing petroleum coke from being created. what can i do to counter this besides spamming storage containers?

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industrial container with the overflow leading to a sink?

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 4:05 PM

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overflow System which sink at the end

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have the same problem

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 4:19 PM

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but what if i have no way to get rid of the heavy oil?

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theres no fluid sink

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 4:20 PM

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turn it into petroleum coke and sink the coke

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 4:23 PM

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oh right

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 4:35 PM

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You can also use it to make cables (Coated Cable), turn it straight to Turbo Heavy Fuel, normal fuel and diluted fuel. Most options, better then just sinking it

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Not to mention coke burn in coal gens, at 25/m

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 4:41 PM

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use coke for aluminium and or steel

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Depends on how much you make vs what you need

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Package the heavy oil residue and void it with a sink.

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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That would cost plastic

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yeah tons of plastic

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Not if you dedicate Residual Plastic to making the canisters

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I guess but it still seems like a waste

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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So is heavy oil, or at least it seems to be so far. I assume later it has a use.

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Residual plastic, is made from Polymer Resin... Which you get from making HOR...

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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The Polymer Resin is from fuel

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 4:59 PM

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HOR can be made to fuel...

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Or at least that's how I have it set up.

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 5:00 PM

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there's also an alternate heavy oil residue recipe that converts crude oil straight to HOR and gives polymer resin

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yes, heavy oil turns into residual fuel, which I have being separately made into packaged fuel for my jetpack and vehicles.
Didn't know about the residue recipe, though hunting drop pods is a pain...

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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HOR can be made into Coke (Steel and Aluminum), Fuel and Turbo Fuel. Why would you get rid of it?

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Or mix it with wire and get cables

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I don't have access to aluminum, turbo fuel, or any advanced cable recipes. This is my first playthrough so I had no idea.

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Sorry for sharing ideas

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Coal gens then. Makes the process almost 0 power usage

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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No space near my petrochemical setup. It's already pretty cramped...

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Also how do you burn oil residue in coal plants

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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you burn coke

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Ohhh

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Residue to Coke, then burn that in coal gens, at 25/m

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:04 PM

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25 coke/m?

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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coke is used for aluminium and steel too

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Coal is 15/m, Coke is 25/m, in coal generators

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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steel coke is an alt recipe though

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Is there an alt recipe you need to unlock for steel?

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Ah that's what I thought

paper mauve Apr 4, 2020, 5:05 PM

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you'll get regular steel in one of the tier unlocks

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it's iron and coal in a foundry

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Best I have is iron ingots + coal

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Another reason to burn Coke. Lets use you more coal for steel

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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or you use the coke for steel and burn the coal :D

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I already have my coal figured. I tap one node exclusively for power, and then a different one gets loaded into my trains for crafting

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I just said I don't have the coke recipe for steel

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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well find it :D

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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There is no set way, but sinking it, should be the last option, as you are spending power to get rid of it

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:07 PM

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but its inefficient

radiant kindle Apr 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Well at my point in the game there's nothing else to do with it. Yes I can burn it as previously stated, but my petrochemical area is such a rat's nest I don't think I have room for more coal gens. I was just trying to share my ideas to help Bullworm.

wise obsidian Apr 4, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I set up a novelty fuel generator site (novelty because it makes use of a couple impure nodes I'd be hesitant to bother with otherwise). I sink 60 packaged fuel at a time by making use of mk 1 conveyor as simple throttle

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polymer resin goes to making canisters

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 5:16 PM

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can someone show me a manifold example

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i cant get these dumb splitters to fill my belt

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:17 PM

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manifold

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fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 5:19 PM

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my output belts are full

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:19 PM

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wdym?

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 5:20 PM

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im trying to use the 3rd one to fill the main belt, and split the excess elsewhere but i need that main belt full

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:23 PM

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splitter dont have a overflow method

cedar mica Apr 4, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Put a merger on the main belt, then merge in a 2nd line. Makes sure that the main belt if more then full.

sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 5:27 PM

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@fierce ruin here you have 5 to 1 priority splitter

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or 3 to 1

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tired barn Apr 4, 2020, 5:44 PM

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i need help with load balancing

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i have 5 reinforced iron plates coming in

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i want to separate it into exactly one line of two and one line of three

violet stirrup Apr 4, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Any reason it needs to be exact?

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You could just use a manifold and let it balance itself out.

sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 5:46 PM

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@tired barn better use main bus; and control things by overflow.

tired barn Apr 4, 2020, 5:46 PM

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cause it allows me to run one spart plating and one modular frame assembler at 100

violet stirrup Apr 4, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Then use a manifold and after some balance time, they will both run at 100%

tired barn Apr 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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ok

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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i need help with load balancing
@tired barn use manifold

sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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you need be exact for power only before your second 8coalgen plant

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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alwys do manifold :D smaller setup, much easier

violet stirrup Apr 4, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Basically, after a bit, your smart plating assembler will become overloaded with plates, and that forces all the extra down to the modular frame assembler .

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Even before that point thought, your framer assembler will be working, just not at 100%, as time goes on, it will get closer and closer to 100%.

boreal cypress Apr 4, 2020, 5:48 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/btexf7/satisfactory_saturdays_2_balancers_vs_manifolds/
When you want to read about it :)

r/SatisfactoryGame - Satisfactory Saturdays #2 - Balancers vs. Mani...

107 votes and 75 comments so far on Reddit

sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 5:48 PM

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and main bus is the fun thing 😄

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sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 6:53 PM

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what is good rubber to plastic ratio in first (240m/min) refinery?

fierce ruin Apr 4, 2020, 8:22 PM

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1 + 1 = 2

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maff

scarlet marsh Apr 4, 2020, 8:32 PM

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go all plastic

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rubber only used in alts and higher tier items

sudden pumice Apr 4, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Nelson you forgot about Gas filters

shy mason Apr 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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And ammo, and modular engines

nimble knoll Apr 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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i made 2 plastic refineries and 1 rubber for the moment just as a starter thing

fierce ruin Apr 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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thoughts on clover/diamond junctions? best throughput for rails?

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Just make sure you get the station parking order right and not have the trains reverse cart order on you

fierce ruin Apr 5, 2020, 3:27 AM

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wats that

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you mean how trains go through stations they dont belong in?

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oh you mean the cart seperation glitch, thats been fixed

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@shy mason

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I'm talking more on possibility of train doing a k turn with those rail junctions and turning around, reversing the order of carts you are loading / unloading each trip

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 4:04 AM

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it depends on whether the train goes in a loop or stops and goes back

inland shadow Apr 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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How wide (in # of foundations) is the sharpest 90 degree rail road track turn?

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nvm I found it out on my own. The smallest 90 degree turn is 5x5foundations

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 6:29 AM

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no it's 3x3

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@inland shadow

glacial hemlock Apr 5, 2020, 6:53 AM

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It is 17 meters, or 2.125 foundations

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 6:59 AM

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that seems far too odd. I would expect it to be a perfect division

slim yoke Apr 5, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Hello, i try to use satisfactory-calculator(really good tool btw) but i'm looking for a different tool, i am planing my game start and i would like to know if a tool exist where you can select the amount of spot(iron/copper...), chose what you want to craft, and it display the best shem to produce the max amount from what you have?

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 8:33 AM

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once greeny's calculator is working for u3, it should probably do that

slim yoke Apr 5, 2020, 8:34 AM

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@nimble knoll okay i'm going to check ty 🙂

empty hemlock Apr 5, 2020, 8:34 AM

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The consumption tool IIRC does that

slim yoke Apr 5, 2020, 8:39 AM

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@nimble knoll @empty hemlock Ty for your answers, i find what i want on greeny 😄

wispy kestrel Apr 5, 2020, 11:50 AM

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not really a meta question.. casted screws alternate recipe is just less machines to produce same amount and ratio as regular screws right?.. from smelter, 1 constructor instead of.. ~3?

scarlet marsh Apr 5, 2020, 12:13 PM

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correct

oak fern Apr 5, 2020, 12:29 PM

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anyone have data about Turbo Fuel? how many i need for 1 generator per minute. i dont get it.

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 12:30 PM

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4,5m³ turbo fuel
15m³ fuel

oak fern Apr 5, 2020, 12:32 PM

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4,5 m³ per min? thanks

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 12:32 PM

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np :)

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:23 PM

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I'm having some trouble understanding pipelines. With 3 water extractors running at 100% efficiency, I'd think that I'm producing 120 * 3 m³ = 360 m³ of water per minute. But the pipelines never see their full 300 m³/min of flow, instead hanging around 200 - 260 m³. There is pretty much no change in elevation, but I've tried adding a pump either way; but of course that does nothing.

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The pipelines are connected to 2 buffers and 8 coal generators, and the buffers never fill up

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They just get some water in them

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:24 PM

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pipes are keeping some fluid to themself... 300m³ is only when the pipe is full

sudden pumice Apr 5, 2020, 3:25 PM

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if buffers are dry you should use some pumps

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Shouldn't I eventually reach that point, or does the speed (or lack thereof) of the flow make it so there's inherent loss in long runs?

sudden pumice Apr 5, 2020, 3:26 PM

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in long run you can have backlog with headlift because no pumps. Distance isn't a problem for fluids

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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The entire pipeline is basically flat

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:27 PM

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just needs its time to fill everything up

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Could it be a design issue, having the buffers connected like this?

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boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:33 PM

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use buffer before the gens not between

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Okay, removed the buffers and placed a single one at the intake of the factory instead. Behaves the same. Buffer fills to about 110-120 m³. Pipes are full all the way from the pumps

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Flow rate at the intake is about 220 m³, even though I am producing more than that, and there are consumers waiting to be fed

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And the extractors still claim 100% efficiency

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:45 PM

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is there any height difference?

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Only this. I've tried adding a pump by that power pole

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boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:47 PM

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what say the flow rate where all 3 extractor merge?

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Same as at the intake of the factory; ~220 m³

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:49 PM

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are all three extractor full of water and their pipe too?

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:50 PM

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2 extractors are full, 1 is empty, all are running 100%

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:51 PM

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and the pipes directly in front of them?

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Yep. Let me get a screenshot of that as well

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boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:53 PM

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and the right pipe is full or not?

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Two on the left are full, switching between 299-300. Rightmost is empty, switching between 0-1

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Pipes are full

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boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Strange, maybe it is because they do not produce permanently but once every second and therefore it fluctuates all the time, but actually 3x120 should easily manage the 300

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I can invite you to the game if you want to have a look. Seems strange to me as well, even though this is the first time I'm using pipelines

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 3:56 PM

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dont need to, as long as everything works you shouldn't have any problems. just wait until everything is full

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Adding a buffer after merging the extractors, and adding a pump before the elevation into the factory seems to have solved it

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Buffer in factory now filled to 300

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Might also be how fast the generators are using the water, as it uses water same rate as it burns coal = % of power being used at that moment

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:17 PM

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They use 45 m³/min, so 8 of them would use 360 m³/min at full blast. Sitting at around 60-70% load on the grid though

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM

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with 360 usage you need a second pipe

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Yeah, I have it set up to be able to fetch water from the other side of the factory too eventually

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The design with the 2 buffers in the middle also works fine now btw. Thanks :)

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 4:19 PM

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So 60% of 360 is 216m3 per minute, close to what you posted before as your flowrate

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Nice observation. The reason I started wondering at all was because it never filled the buffers to 300

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 4:20 PM

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but flowrate should still be 300 when pipes arent full

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 4:21 PM

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You'd start running into issues once you hit 85% power utilization and burn off your water stockpile and hit the 300m pipe limit

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Do we have a neat looking way of stacking pipelines, or laying them close to perfectly parallel?

shy mason Apr 5, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Could have sworn there was wall pipeline supports and stackable racks for them, check the awesome shop

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I have the supports and wall mounts, but the supports don't stack, and I don't have walls running all the way from my extractors

fervent bloom Apr 5, 2020, 4:29 PM

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on tier 4 > logistics mk3 you find the stackables

gentle scaffold Apr 5, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Ah okay, thanks. I'll wait until then before running a second pipe then

fervent bloom Apr 5, 2020, 4:31 PM

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for now you could just stack the support on top of the first pipe

shadow kite Apr 5, 2020, 4:37 PM

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is there a tool to design load balancing? i have 2 belts with 300 and 4 belts with 240 coal/min and i would like to split this into 40 foundries somehow

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 4:43 PM

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manifold dude :)

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and nice graphic card you have as your profilepicture

shadow kite Apr 5, 2020, 4:45 PM

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hmm. that could work

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also thanks

left flame Apr 5, 2020, 7:09 PM

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anyone have a diluted water recipe for https://satisfactory-calculator.com/
it seemed bugged out for me atm

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

shadow kite Apr 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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i would think you need rain to dilute water but...

scarlet marsh Apr 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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what are you diluting water with?

sand garnet Apr 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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more water

summer field Apr 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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h2oh oh

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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What is the difference between a midwife and a chemist?

The chemist says "H2O".

The midwife "Oha, two" !!!

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Is there an efficient rotor production design out there somewhere? I've been using one of the calculators online and the ratios seem to suck

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:37 PM

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well how many do you want per minute

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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anything that is 100% efficient

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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anything can be 100% efficient

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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I've gotten up to 80/min without getting that efficiency on one of the online calculators

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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what

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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with or without alternate?

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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that isn't how it works. the calculators always give as close to 100 as possible

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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no alternatives

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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and how many do you want?

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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if you mean there are machines on 50% speed, that is different

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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so if I use this calculator and do 18/min https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/calculator

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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greeny is not u3 updatet

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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that one is for update 2

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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oh, what should I be using instead?

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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your brain :D

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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or this one works too https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator

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but yeah brain is a pretty good one

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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alright

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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rotors are simple

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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25 screws per, and 6 rotors per minute, so I need 150 screws

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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2,5 constructor for 100 screws and 0,3 constructer for 5 iron rods =1 asselmber for rotors

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:41 PM

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look how easy that is

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rotors are really simple

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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so slightly less then half of the rods go to another constructor

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how would i make a balancer and/or manifold to do that?

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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well it depends on if you have cast screws

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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no alts

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:42 PM

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just use manifold

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and go hard drive hunting

sacred blade Apr 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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then I might build a reinforced iron plate production first, then go hunting

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alright, thank you. i've gtg

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:43 PM

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np

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:45 PM

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have to redo half of my NPP .-.

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:46 PM

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why?

boreal cypress Apr 5, 2020, 11:49 PM

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because uhm ... else I would build in the deadzone xD

nimble knoll Apr 5, 2020, 11:52 PM

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oof

fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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its epty lol

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empty

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 1:05 AM

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how is that math and meta? :D

fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 1:07 AM

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need advice

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on what to do

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 1:09 AM

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go further in tech

nimble knoll Apr 6, 2020, 1:23 AM

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literally hasn't unlocked tier 1

glacial hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 2:00 AM

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@fierce ruin welcome to the world of automation

vale sierra Apr 6, 2020, 3:46 AM

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I'm curious, for those who have mid to endgame production going, what is your overall ratio of iron/copper?

left flame Apr 6, 2020, 3:58 AM

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fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 4:02 AM

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open original

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cuz therye too far apart

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so i had to do the whole thing

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there

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i use alot of alt recipies so i really dont need copper

glacial hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Copper consumption is about 40% to 25% of iron.

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I often need 5 pure iron nodes, but 1 copper node can last until tier 4 before i need to find the 2nd.

reef turtle Apr 6, 2020, 6:58 AM

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I just finished resuscitating my old factory for Update 3, and I know the addition of copper sheets meant I had to massively increase my copper production.

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It was quite a project. I completely tore my old oil setup down to the foundations, and then built new foundations.

jagged grail Apr 6, 2020, 7:18 AM

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THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBER! GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS UP!

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i forget where the extra 1000 is coming from

nimble knoll Apr 6, 2020, 7:41 AM

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but why

glacial hemlock Apr 6, 2020, 8:57 AM

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What is your end product? You are producing so much quickwire

fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 9:40 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/696570488138498098 - This picture in the channel showing input and output per product/material. Where can I find these?

rancid lark Apr 6, 2020, 10:53 AM

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that's one of the reports of the interactive map at https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 10:58 AM

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that's one of the reports of the interactive map at https://satisfactory-calculator.com/
@rancid lark Thank you so much 🙂

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 12:59 PM

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THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBER! GOTTA PUMP THOSE NUMBERS UP!
@jagged grail thats some quickwire xD

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well helle there Water

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fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 1:08 PM

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why so much

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 1:09 PM

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soon power plants

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they need 43200m³ water

fierce ruin Apr 6, 2020, 1:10 PM

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reactors drink water like that?

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o

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 1:10 PM

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300 per

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 2:11 PM

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how do these solutions compare?

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alpine cairn Apr 6, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Why have the gods forsaken us with 270 speed belts, and not 240

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 2:17 PM

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because it's too slow :)
mk4 belts used to be 450 instead of 480

slim yoke Apr 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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hey, someone know a tool, like satisfactory-calculator reverted ( where you only enter what you want(rotor) and how many spot of iron you have (3 pure) and give you a graph with all what you need and the order like : iron miner-> mk2 belt -> splitter...etc) ty in advance 😄

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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maybe try a different one, like https://legorin.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html#items=rotor:f:1 ?

dark wadi Apr 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I thought greenys planner did that. Where you put in what you wanted to produce and it tells you what you need to get it to happen.

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Opps, it wasn't greeny it was daniel. (https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator) (edit: both times I read it wrong and referenced the output not the input. Sorry)

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i didn't know about this one, looks nice

wind spade Apr 6, 2020, 3:22 PM

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@shadow kite both are useless, manifold ftw 😛

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(Reacting to the image)

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But if you really want to use a balancer, your solution won't work with maxed belts

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Why have the gods forsaken us with 270 speed belts, and not 240
@alpine cairn why is higher belt speed an issue?

sand garnet Apr 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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you're making people actually think, greeny. that's madness.

alpine cairn Apr 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I suppose it doesn't matter that much, but when you converge two full 120 belts onto a 270, it doesn't fully fill up like a 240 would. So you'd have to merge another 30 belt to fill it

wind spade Apr 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Why do you need to fill it though?

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you're making people actually think, greeny. that's madness.
@sand garnet that's what people should do before posting a question 🤔

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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@wind spade i see. though i'm only utilizing 80% or something like that due to node count and miner mk2

wind spade Apr 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Just use a manifold, screw balancers

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screwscrews is no longer a thing, so we need something else to screw

shadow kite Apr 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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xD

jagged grail Apr 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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@boreal cypress that's from only 2 pure nodes of caterium X3. I use a lot of alts that require quickwire, and I'm planning on making 10 manufacturers produce super computers

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Screws are yucky

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I avoid them like the plague

ornate zodiac Apr 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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@shadow kite doesn't work the way you hope it does but it's a nice attempt

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I could do better; 3 splitters, 2 large containers. Job done

wind spade Apr 6, 2020, 6:54 PM

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large containers don't work as a balancers

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@ornate zodiac

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 7:02 PM

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only freight station can work like them

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oh wait balancer

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thought overflow

ornate zodiac Apr 6, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Wasn't balancing, just 3-4 with full crossfeed and minimal parts

sand garnet Apr 6, 2020, 7:51 PM

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anyone got that image for the optimal fuel thing for turbofuel with all the weird alt recipes

ornate zodiac Apr 6, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I suppose you can do it with 4 if you're not dumb!

sand garnet Apr 6, 2020, 7:51 PM

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like diluted fuel etc?

scarlet marsh Apr 6, 2020, 10:26 PM

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which optimization? most fuel/oil?

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 10:27 PM

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most turbofuel out of oil
oil>heavy oil>diluted fuel>unpack>turbofuel

nimble knoll Apr 6, 2020, 10:28 PM

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surely there's something you can do with that polymer resin as well

scarlet marsh Apr 6, 2020, 10:29 PM

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you can make a little bit of plastic

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 10:29 PM

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sink it :D

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or plastic

nimble knoll Apr 6, 2020, 10:29 PM

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or plastic then sink it

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 10:30 PM

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or hmm ... what else?

scarlet marsh Apr 6, 2020, 10:32 PM

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or rubber

boreal cypress Apr 6, 2020, 10:34 PM

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and then sink it

shy mason Apr 6, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Make your plastic containers out of them before sinking

dusty isle Apr 7, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Curious, are they going to nerf Diluted Packaged Fuel?

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 8:14 AM

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why do you think it needs nerfing?

glacial hemlock Apr 7, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Diluted packaged fuel is pretty complex

nimble knoll Apr 7, 2020, 8:38 AM

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and it need a lot of power to get started, especially with turbofuel

spice holly Apr 7, 2020, 8:58 AM

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It's strong yes, but it also has a lot of steps to balance it out.

fierce ruin Apr 7, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I don't see the difference between diluted fuel and a lot of other alt

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pure iron or copper, recycled platic or rubber, they all really step up your factory

sand garnet Apr 7, 2020, 10:32 AM

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what's the max amount of turbomotors we can make with all resources on the map?

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 10:33 AM

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more than 2

sand garnet Apr 7, 2020, 10:33 AM

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lol

floral fox Apr 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

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oooof

dull bolt Apr 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

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And probably less than infinitie...

fierce ruin Apr 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Curious, of there is one, what's the max amount of resources a pure node can produce

floral fox Apr 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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1200

dull bolt Apr 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Mk3miner overclocked

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or mk2 (idk)

floral fox Apr 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

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its 1200 with mk3 overcloked

fierce ruin Apr 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Will it run out or is that just the fastest you can produce

dull bolt Apr 7, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Nodes are infinitie, except for S.A.M ore (but it has no use yet)

glacial hemlock Apr 7, 2020, 11:50 AM

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@sand garnet about 159

fierce ruin Apr 7, 2020, 11:50 AM

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That's good to know

glacial hemlock Apr 7, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Per minutes,

sand garnet Apr 7, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Thanks 🙂

upbeat granite Apr 7, 2020, 4:16 PM

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i finally found a reason to have seperate power networks! Whenever the fuse shuts my system down, the timer starts running: Get your system back up and running, before your Vehicles run out of Fuel

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therefore: Separated Safety Network to ensure, that all Truckstops, at any time provide fuel to the vehicles

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and i thought the games' just buggy. But no it's been me the whole time, the bad bad engineer! Sorry FicsIt

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Just don't use vehicles, use trains

upbeat granite Apr 7, 2020, 4:22 PM

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yes yes... i get it. But! If my presumption is correct, vehicles dont just sometimes stop or dont get fueled up. It's just the power network

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all the time i thought there's something wrong with the inventory of vehicles, that they sometimes just stop putting fuel into the slot

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Also, some of my satellite factories aren't big enough to legetimize a giant ass trainstation

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 4:25 PM

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It's not even that big, truck station is pretty big as well

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Also, space is nearly infinite 🤷‍♂️

upbeat granite Apr 7, 2020, 4:32 PM

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compared to a truck station, either a one way train with a loop back or a two way train with two locomotives are both pretty huge imho.

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let me have my use for a seperate power network, please. its not like i am glorifying useless stuff like balancers here

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btw did anyone come up with some sort of flip-flop mechanisms?

manic quartz Apr 7, 2020, 4:48 PM

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One of saves had a separate power just for the power grid. Had a coal plant (far as I’ve gotten) running a coal mine and the water pumps to make sure the rest of the plants were supplied. But my pipes were a mess and either ran out of water or coal. By the time I got back to check out what happened, everything was stocked up. Became a pain. But I’m still learning.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I mean I don't have issues with your "use for separate networks". It just seems it gives more trouble than it's advantage.

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for example:

harder to manage several power grids
extra power production from one base can't be used in another
fuel for vehicles still needs to be made, so if a base making vehicle fuel runs out of power, it doesn't help you

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I mean, if you only compare the sizes of the buildings, then yes, train station + 1 platform (the loco for the other side doesn't count, as it doesn't need platform) is slightly bigger than 1 truck station. But you also need to count all the infrastructure for truck road, essentially making it's whole road as unbuildable space, in the end taking more space than trains (+ their inefficiency and low inventory size and hard expansion)

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 4:57 PM

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and trains dont collision with everything and are faster

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 4:58 PM

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well they are faster, but you're looking at throughput, not speed 😉 speed is irrelevant

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Any reecorce that can help me plan out spliters

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I got a conundrum i need to plan out

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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what is conundrum?

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:21 PM

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a problem

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i need coal power

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i got 120 coming in form 3 diffrent sources, i need to split it to 8 coal plants equally

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only got mk 2 belts

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360/8 is 45

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so it will feed 8 coal plants perfectly

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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so manifold?

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yee

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yeah, just do a manifold

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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i can't over flow cause of belt speed

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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don't do exact splits, they are useless

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you can, just merge in extra belts

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:23 PM

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just use injection manifold

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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how does one do that?

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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after the half merge another belt in

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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huh

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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        |        |        |
--S--S--M--S--S--M--S--S--M--S--S- ,,,
  |  |     |  |     |  |     |  |

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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huh

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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every merged belt should be only 1/2 of capacity though

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:24 PM

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thanks

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:25 PM

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so you don't run into belt issues

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uhh but also

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your math is wrong imo. Coal gens eat 15 coal/min

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120 coal/min can feed 8 gens

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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oh my fucking god i was reading the water consumption

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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well xD lucky than?

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:26 PM

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so i’m gonna run 16

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should be much easier

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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yeah, just do two manifolds, 8 gens per one

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 5:27 PM

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might use the two inpures later if i need moar power

idle nexus Apr 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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3 water extractors + 120 coal to 8 coal gens

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Just overflow coal, two pipes and Bob's your uncle

ornate zodiac Apr 7, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I underclock my water extractors

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If I'm making power I don't want to spend it all making it

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 5:53 PM

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you actually aren't spending all

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you're making the same amount of power from coal as you did before update 3

ornate zodiac Apr 7, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I had 2 coal plants pumping water

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I decided to save

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:54 PM

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wait you coal plants can pump water?

ornate zodiac Apr 7, 2020, 5:55 PM

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No, I have my extractors on an independent loop

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 5:55 PM

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ahh

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so when you have a brown out you dont have a lack of water

ornate zodiac Apr 7, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I didn't like the ratio and there was a lot more space for extractors

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So it made sense to double them and underclock them

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Sure I have to build more extractors overall (oh no) but I get more power per coal

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Same reason you build your coal plants on water: pumps cost power

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It's a mid-game optimization though, once you have geothermal or nuclear you care less about the odd 4MW

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Does the balancer I have in #screenshots look right to yall? I think I did it correctly, but am not sure

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:36 PM

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why not manifold?

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oh nvm now i see why

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but looks right

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perfect 100/20 split

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:37 PM

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I can only find 100/5 split though

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theres the 5 that go to storage, but I can't find the other 15

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:38 PM

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wait

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because the last splitter split 30 not 15 :P

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:38 PM

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so I need another splitter

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okay

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I think it should be that?

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:41 PM

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should

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:41 PM

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thank you

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:41 PM

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you get 105 left and 15 right

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:41 PM

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105? the 30 splits three ways

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:42 PM

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oh right xD

sacred blade Apr 7, 2020, 6:43 PM

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i'm trying to build 16 rotor/min so that I can send some to storage, some to motor production, and some to smart plating

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I need to get back to some other work, but thank you for your help

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 6:44 PM

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np

clear gulch Apr 7, 2020, 7:36 PM

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jump pads. what is the maximum jump height?

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26 m ty

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 8:01 PM

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how many water pumps wpuld i need to feed 16 coal plants

dark wadi Apr 7, 2020, 8:03 PM

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The coal plants should tell you how much they consume. The water pumps put out 120. The trickiest part is the fact that pipes only hold a max of 300 so you can't just plug all the pumps in at one end of your pipe and then spread them out at the other end.

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 8:04 PM

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this i know

dark wadi Apr 7, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I can't remember off the top of my head if its 30 or 60 per min. Assuming they are running at max load. Remember that your generators don't run at full power unless they need to.

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 8:04 PM

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they say 45

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i wish there was a pipe and belt simulator online

dark wadi Apr 7, 2020, 8:05 PM

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45x16=>720/120=>6.

tired barn Apr 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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thank you

dark wadi Apr 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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So you could feed them with 3 pipes.

mental pivot Apr 7, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Does anyone have a picture with all the crafting connections between the materials?

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:00 PM

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there was one around, but it's super complex and most likely not useful for any purpose

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@mental pivot here you go, credits to @reef turtle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/695168219153039360/graph.png

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also doesn't contain unpackage recipes iirc

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let me know if you find this useful in any way 😛 because I don't think it is 😄 it's nice to look at, but for any closer inspection, you probably want to look to different sources

mental pivot Apr 7, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Basically, I mean how much raw materials it needs to create trusses and automatic wiring.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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depends on which alternate recipes you use

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there's no clear answer to this, depends on your setup a lot

mental pivot Apr 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I use basic recipes.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:08 PM

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that still doesn't help if we talk oil for example

mental pivot Apr 7, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I produce 420 iron bars and I would like to make the best use of them.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:13 PM

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usually you look at target production and then you figure out what do you need for that

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but this issue needs to be solved by a tool, unfortunately there's none atm that could do the math for you

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:16 PM

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i just mass produce ingots, concrete and quartz, then i basically look at see how much of it will be pulled for productions and then the rest either gets sinked or stored to prevent it from backing up, but yes it would be nice to have a tool that can calculate just how much of everything you can make that does it from the total number of ore/ingots you have to start with.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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well I'm working on it

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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youre working on the tool for that?

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I had such a tool for update 2

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https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/consumption

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

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it's not updated to U3 though

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:18 PM

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ah. thats dope

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:22 PM

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I've also got my update 2 tool, and am working on update 3 support.

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https://kirkmcdonald.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:22 PM

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well he was asking about a reverse calculation - he has ingots and wants to make stuff from them

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Sure.

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I may be adding that feature.

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Given how many alt recipes there are now.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:23 PM

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otherwise I'd direct him to all the tools in pins 🙂

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:24 PM

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yea, you need help with that? cause quite honestly im at a standstill with my factory til i get oil figured out (gives me a headache)

nimble knoll Apr 7, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Oil really isn’t that bad once you get started with it

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I've got a handle on the math, I just need to actually hack it out.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I have a working solution, I just need to display the results nicely, so 🤷‍♂️

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I'm just going to crib the way I did it for Factorio, for the display, heh.

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 9:25 PM

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pipes are bad math things .-. well they are easy but still bad

📎 Anmerkung_2020-04-07_185615.jpg

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:27 PM

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doesnt help recipes change just about every update

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:28 PM

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They sure do. But update 3 was especially troublesome, with the new refinery stuff.

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 9:28 PM

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jeah pipes are bad :D they rumbled almost all recipes

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:28 PM

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pipes aren't the issue

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:28 PM

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It's recipes which output two different things.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:28 PM

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what killed the old tool is multiple items output per recipe

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(as well as item loops)

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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true that

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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not to mention package recipes.

boreal cypress Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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package are easy

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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well those are item loops and multiple recipe products, so 🤷‍♂️

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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But I solved this already for Factorio, so mostly I just need to remember how that code worked and port it over, heh.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:29 PM

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it's just slightly different here due to all the alt recipes 🙂

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Even that isn't a fundamental change.

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:31 PM

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that and the power is a little worng, using the U2 tool, it shows to meet the manufacture rate i have now it would only need 820MW meanwhile in U3 im pulling almost 1200MW

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Yeah, it's best to consider the Update 2 tools entirely wrong now.

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Too much has changed.

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:31 PM

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the sad thing is that U4 will probably change it again

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Oh sure.

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And then we'll update the tools again.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:32 PM

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though I'd say it will be much easier

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Perhaps. Update 3 will necessitate more generalized solutions, so in theory it will be easier to take anything they'd do in the future in stride.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:33 PM

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exactly

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I also finally automated the updating from Docs.json, which helps a lot with small changes

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:34 PM

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heres hoping for mk2 pipes

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:34 PM

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I don't think we need them

reef turtle Apr 7, 2020, 9:35 PM

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They'd be handy, though.

wind spade Apr 7, 2020, 9:35 PM

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you can make pretty much the same (maybe even bigger) amount of oil products as you could before

forest bay Apr 7, 2020, 9:36 PM

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it would be nice to have "trunk lines" so to speak, larger pipes with larger volume, that cant connect to anything but act as a trunk for the mk1 pipes to run off of.

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it would just make it easier to run pipes

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kind of like what actual factories do

tawny chasm Apr 8, 2020, 12:12 AM

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holycrap, that graph that greeny posted.... 😄

river coral Apr 8, 2020, 1:21 AM

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I have a question
if i have 11 constructers and i need to craft pipes and beams what should the ratio be

glacial hemlock Apr 8, 2020, 1:27 AM

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3 pipes and 8 beams at tier 4. 10 pipes and 1 beam at tier 6

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If you start making stators, produce more pipes

wintry finch Apr 8, 2020, 3:33 AM

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@river coral really it depends on how much steel you're making wouldn't it?

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 3:53 AM

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So a friend and i built a huge fuel generator area and we used two pure oil nodes for it, 1 of them overclocked to create 300m^3 crude oil, and the other is creating just 240m^3 of crude oil.
We have 360m^3 of fuel being made every minute, and across all 24 fuel generators it's supposed to be exactly enough fuel to have all generators firing, so why is our fuel buffer filling up?

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 3:55 AM

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are you using all the power?

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 3:56 AM

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i swear no-one understands this lol

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I see, so it's because we aren't actually at the power maximum

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 3:57 AM

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also @forest schooner, if you are going to use up 2 whole pure nodes, you might want to use diluted packacged fuel and/or turbofuel to get the most out of it

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 3:58 AM

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it's basic physics 😄 energy can't be lost. If you convert fuel energy into electric energy, you need to either store it or use. So since we can't store energy (yet?), it needs to be used immediatelly 🙂 so you only convert as much energy as you use

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 3:58 AM

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well technically batteries are a thing

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 3:58 AM

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I should have guessed that considering the devs pay a lot of attention to detail in this game lol

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 3:59 AM

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batteries are a thing, but we still can't store power 🙂

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Also @nimble knoll we are planning on using turbofuel sooner or later, whenever we get the recipe from a hard drive

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 3:59 AM

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ah good luck with that

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 4:00 AM

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we also dont have diluted fuel i think.

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 4:00 AM

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it took me ages to diluted fuel and turbofuel

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 4:00 AM

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well you can still hook turbofuel to diluted fuel production line, so 🤷‍♂️

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 4:01 AM

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that's the plan :)

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 4:01 AM

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How much better is turbofuel? Does it just last longer? By how much?

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 4:01 AM

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unless you go for the alternate turbofuel recipe

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 4:02 AM

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it is insanely good

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 4:02 AM

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turbofuel has 2000 MJ per m3 ( https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/turbofuel ), while fuel has only 600 MJ ( https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/fuel )

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 4:02 AM

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normal fuel burns at 15/min, turbofuel burns at 4.5/min

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3 times the amount of fuel gens

forest schooner Apr 8, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Thanks! thats massive

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 4:04 AM

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yeah one full pipe of oil can fuel 148 gens if you use diluted fuel and turbofuel

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which is 22,200MW

wicked mason Apr 8, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me what the oil extractor/pipeline ratio is? My quick glance tells me that it's roughly 1:1 and that kinda hurts my soul.

wind spade Apr 8, 2020, 9:06 AM

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depends on purity and OC 🙂

wicked mason Apr 8, 2020, 9:07 AM

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I think the oil extractor is not overclocked and the oil patch was normal. On the default map it's the spot on the beach with the giant asshole spider and mushrooms everywhere

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If I recall the extraction rate listed was 225, and the pipeline said it could handle 300 so I had a sad. But everything about fluids seems very.. fluid? weird? I dunno.

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Yeah, guess I need to run another one. Hooboy.

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 11:04 AM

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well, you use more coal and sulfur than oil to make turbofuel

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but I guess they are more common resources with less usage so it's ok?

scarlet marsh Apr 8, 2020, 11:39 AM

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yeah by the point you can make turbofuel - sulfur has no other continuous usage, coal is only used to make steel and is abundant

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 11:39 AM

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yeah by the point you can make turbofuel - sulfur has no other continuous usage, coal is only used to make steel and is abundant
@scarlet marsh you need sulfur for nuclear :P

scarlet marsh Apr 8, 2020, 11:40 AM

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yeah if you are doing nuclear though you probably wouldnt be setting up turbofuel

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 11:40 AM

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i set up turbofuel too

clear citrus Apr 8, 2020, 11:46 AM

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on the other hand, a lot of people aren't going to dismantle old factories

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so they will have coal, regular fuel, turbofuel, and nuclear all running together

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and may very well have some empty biogenerators sitting around somewhere

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 11:48 AM

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only the two the hub provide :D no coal gens and fuel gens are going to dismantle after NPP are set up

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:02 PM

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So 10 biogenerators is apparently just enough to automate screws, rods, wire, cables, plates, reinforced plates, rotors and smart plating with manufacturers at 250% overclock, any more and it'll be too much power consumption

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Technically one more miner but who needs another miner if you can't do anything with it

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 1:04 PM

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dont overclock than :D

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overclock use more power than normal
200% overclock is like 400% energy

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I overclocked because I just wanted to get the tier 1 space elevator done, everything back to normal now because I still need to setup coal and until I do that I need to conserve energy

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Because man does the production if smart plating take forever

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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you could just build mor machines

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:08 PM

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True but biofuel is a pain in the ass to get and since you can't automate it I think I'll just cut back because I really don't need this many materials yet

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I can probably underclock all my screw makers

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Because I've got like 6 of them

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Maybe just get rid of some of those all together

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 1:09 PM

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yoi can automate crafting it

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:09 PM

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You still need to collect leaves and wood by hanf

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 1:09 PM

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but thats not so hard :D

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:09 PM

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True

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But unless I get slaves I can't fully automate biofuel so I'm just gonna underclock a lot of stuff until I get some coal generators set up I think

idle vigil Apr 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Do you have a chainsaw unlocked? I had way more than enough biofuel during that phase, you just dump leaves and wood and carapaces into containers that each feed into biomass constructors, I was throwing away more than I ever needed.

fierce ruin Apr 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Boy I got a chainsaw and I definitely can get the biofuel for it but there's not much point

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I'm gonna be moving over to coal tomorrow anyway and I really won't need that much extra power to do that as I already have most things planned out

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I also made sure to leave some wiggle room just in case I did my math wrong

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:41 PM

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hi, how does water work in this game? i currently have 8 coal powerplant consuming 91m3 each so a total of 728m3/min. but i have 3 water extractors making me 360m3/min. you might think i dont have enough water production but i can litteraly close one water extractor and still have enough water to fill my fluid buffer. why is that??

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:41 PM

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did you overclock your gens?

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:42 PM

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the coal power plants yes. but still it doesnt change my question

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Because Gens only use what they produce, so 10% energy is 10% item use

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:42 PM

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because you aren't using all the water

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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but i'm supposed to be using 728m3

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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only on 100% usage

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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i flushed everything just to test

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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how much energy do you actualy use?

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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use or produce?

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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use

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and produce

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:43 PM

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not all of it

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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but like how much

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roughly

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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oh. so if i use 100% of what i produce, the coal plants will use more water?

lofty spruce Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Yep

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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the coal gen will use 91m3 when you use 100% energy, below it only need what it generate

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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rightttt

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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if you use 100% the plants use the listed amount of water

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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i use about 40% of what i produce

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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always calculate like you are using 100% :)

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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so they use 40% of the water they need

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:44 PM

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i thought it was like the biomass plants

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:45 PM

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they do the same

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:45 PM

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it is

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everything does that

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you can't just make more energy and not use it

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:45 PM

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machines dont use power when they dont work

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you can't just make more energy and not use it
@nimble knoll i wish RL would be the same

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:45 PM

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i thought my excess energy was wasted but ok i understand

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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there might be some kind of battery in the future

lofty spruce Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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With some limited exceptions I think. Pretty sure the geothermal generators will operate at 100% if your power network needs it and let all the other generators that require resources turn off.

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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so therefore that means i'm gonna run out of water if i consume more nergy

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:46 PM

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yes they do

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yes

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:47 PM

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With some limited exceptions I think. Pretty sure the geothermal generators will operate at 100% if your power network needs it and let all the other generators that require resources turn off.
@lofty spruce the always do 100% and they are the first energy that will be used

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:47 PM

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does anyone know where to find the epic games launcher's cache?

latent kernel Apr 8, 2020, 9:47 PM

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well thank you for clearing that out for me. good night

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:47 PM

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X:\Epic Games there?

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:48 PM

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ill see

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:48 PM

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there is a file called VaultCache but it is empty

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:48 PM

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yeah same

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oh i found it

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it's in Program Files

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:49 PM

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C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local\EpicGamesLauncher

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maybe there?

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:49 PM

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no it's C:/Program Files/Epic

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i found it

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:49 PM

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only have SatisfactoryExperimental in it xD

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:50 PM

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wait no it's all empty

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hmmmm

boreal cypress Apr 8, 2020, 9:50 PM

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maybe my link is correct?

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it have WebCache

nimble knoll Apr 8, 2020, 9:50 PM

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yeah ill try that

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i think i'll delete webcache

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 5:52 AM

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When 270 steel per minute gets you 5 versatile frameworks per minute

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📎 Steel_Production_and_Products.png

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Now I need a whole other factory for steel pipes, stators, and the like

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 5:55 AM

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uhh, balancers 🤢

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 5:56 AM

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manifolds are slow though

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 5:57 AM

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with your case, we're probably talking just a few minutes

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before you finish building this thing, the manifold will already work at 100%

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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🤷

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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and you'll save space, have easier expansion later if needed and also be cool 😛

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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okay. advice taken 😄

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 5:58 AM

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or you just prefill the machines and not care about the boot time anyway

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just saying, ofc you can play however you want 😉

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but since this channel is about math and meta, I feel obliged to give you that hint 🙂

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I'm trying to design with the future in mind. For example, I'm making 10 modular frames/min right now at T4

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 5:59 AM

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yeah, manifolds are super future-proof

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:00 AM

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the next step for me is to figure out how to actually place the builds in a compact-ish manner

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for my modular frame build, I had lots of one foundation gaps between builds

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I usually just leave TONS of space in between builds. Or even better - build modular

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:03 AM

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modular builds is my ultimate goal

chrome flame Apr 9, 2020, 6:05 AM

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i need to rebuild my factory, like straight up tore it all down since it was kinda spaghetti and all over the place, but hey, got all the research done and got all 18 geothermal ready for it when it does get rebuilt

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:06 AM

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first build new factory and then dismantle the old one

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:06 AM

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agree

chrome flame Apr 9, 2020, 6:06 AM

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yeah, realize now that's how i shoulda done it, least i got a save from before i did that

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:07 AM

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or again - build modular, so you don't ever have to rebuild everything 🙂

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:07 AM

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how do you design a modular build though? like beyond the basic iron rods, what can you make that is modular?

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:10 AM

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everything. Pick a prodcut you want to make. Figure out the production line. Find a nice set of nodes that cover the needs for the produciton line. Build the factory near the nodes. Ship the final product to storage. Repeat for any other product. If you need more of some product, you can just copy the module you already built.

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:11 AM

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ohh, okay

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thank you

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:11 AM

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there are several more approaches that you can use, but this one is what I prefer

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I think I need to explore doing more on site factories, especially for my steel. Its too much to bring back to my main base

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:12 AM

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other approach may be to have a factory that just does one step (e.g. iron ore -> iron ingot) and then ships the product to a central storage, from where stuff is taken to be futher processed. But it has the disadvantage that you need to keep in mind how much are you producing vs using

chrome flame Apr 9, 2020, 6:12 AM

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I've got more or less every raw thing coming in to one place atm except uranium, haven't touched nuclear yet.

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:13 AM

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with the complete modular factories, you don't have to. You have a "black box" that inputs X ores and outputs Y final product

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@chrome flame I mean it can work too, but you usually end up being boxed in or building a gigantic useless main bus or some combination

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it's very hard to design a nicely expandable all-in-one factory

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:14 AM

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just curious, because you are really into the game greeny: how many playthroughs have you done?

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:14 AM

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uhh

chrome flame Apr 9, 2020, 6:14 AM

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aye, not really easy to expand something that does everything

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 6:15 AM

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I guess it's not the answer you've expected, but...
I have around 30 hours of playtime in total on SF, last played in May 2019, I think I got to computers, but didn't have them automated

sacred blade Apr 9, 2020, 6:16 AM

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ohhh

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Yeah, did not expect that

upbeat granite Apr 9, 2020, 8:04 AM

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How comes, that you are developing one of the best tools for SF, but aren't actually playing it that much @greeny

crude girder Apr 9, 2020, 8:16 AM

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No good deed ever goes unpunished

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 8:21 AM

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@upbeat granite well if you sink 700 hours into developing tools, you don't have much extra time for playing 🙂

glacial hemlock Apr 9, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Thats a sad truth

sand garnet Apr 9, 2020, 8:31 AM

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I wouldnt call it sad

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being passionate about something is a great thing, definitely not sad

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 8:31 AM

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I'm kinda said that I can't play tho

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Do you guys think this would work for reinforced plates? (The 4 constructors are for screws and the outside 4 are for plates that merge and split ect same as the screws

📎 image0.jpg

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:41 AM

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what purity is the node

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Impure

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But I’m going to use overclocking and mk 2 miners

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:42 AM

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ok

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so its like using a mark 3

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:42 AM

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ya

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:42 AM

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120 per minute

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reduce to two smelters on each side

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they smelt at 30/m

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if you have this setup then each gets 20/m

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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And if I remove those two?

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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they work at max capacity

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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you’re honestly a god 😍

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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ah no

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im not

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:44 AM

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U good at math tho

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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i guess

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Anyways I’ll show the product in #screenshots when I’ve built it

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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nice

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Thanks for the help btw

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 10:45 AM

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np

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:19 AM

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uhh MrB

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@wintry stirrup I was right, I need those other 2 smelters

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:24 AM

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sure?

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did you overclock it to 200% or 250%?

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if its 200% then you dont

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:24 AM

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250

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:24 AM

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if 250% then you do

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Yea lmao

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:25 AM

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ok lol

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see?

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im no god XD

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I just finished building it without those two on the inside so I’m gonna put it next to the outside ones ;-;

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:25 AM

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oof

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Crap I almost forgot the power part of it

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:26 AM

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coal power is nice

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:26 AM

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Yea I only have 2 running atm powering my all my factories

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 11:31 AM

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thats far to less

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Finished it @wintry stirrup let’s gooooo

wintry stirrup Apr 9, 2020, 11:54 AM

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nicee

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looking great!

frigid orchid Apr 9, 2020, 12:51 PM

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I just remade it ;-; to share out resources better

long hinge Apr 9, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Hey anyone made some extreme turbomotor setup on redit or YT? Like 100+++

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 3:19 PM

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i will do xD i finishd my NPP and after that i wanted to make a super duber TM Factory

steady dock Apr 9, 2020, 4:21 PM

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mine is about 20 ish, but ill upgrade it soon to becomes 50

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but would take me maybe a day or 2, just need to set up a 2nd aluminium factory

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 4:22 PM

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aluminium is just a pain in the arse

steady dock Apr 9, 2020, 4:23 PM

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jup even my genius brain get exited for the challonge. I mean you just put the silica you get from it into the sink, make 2 water loops. and have them all onto a 1:1 ratio

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for me this was the easist way to set it up, just a bit off calculating with the OC speeds

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it doesn't get stuck and it works 👍

long hinge Apr 9, 2020, 4:34 PM

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wasnt it like 3 baux = 1 all with 1m3 spare water?

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so if you make 30 baux you can run 11 alum?

steady dock Apr 9, 2020, 4:37 PM

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yeah something like this

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you can also overclock the refinery with the waterloop so it uses more then it gets

peak estuary Apr 9, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Waterloop?

tawdry pebble Apr 9, 2020, 7:01 PM

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for some refinery production stage 1 needs input water or sulfuric acid - stage 2 has a output of water or sulfuric acid -loop the 2nd stage back to the 1st stage.

peak estuary Apr 9, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Ok. Ill try it.

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Any pic refferences?

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 7:49 PM

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so I got a weird pipe problem Im kind of stumped on; I have a pipe with 300 cubic meters/minute, I want to split that so its 270m^3/min on one line and then 30m^3/min on the other; an obvious solution is to break it into lines of 10m^3/min and recombine as needed; but is there a more compact way to do that?

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 7:52 PM

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why the 30?

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dont think the + Sections work like a splitter/merger

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Just working with the resources I got, what I'm doing is splitting 540m^3 into 270m^3 for 18 refineries

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it just works out that I cant neatly get 540m^3

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 7:54 PM

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just do manifold with pipes

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 7:54 PM

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does that work the same way as belts?

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 7:54 PM

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@wind spade pls help :D

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 7:55 PM

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pipes work slightly differently than belts

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 7:55 PM

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i think it will work, but i dont know if Pipecross sections to a evenly split

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 7:55 PM

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if you need 30m3 separate, just make a junction and join that

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it'll work normally, no need to any balancing (as it wouldn't most likely work as you expected anyway)

boreal cypress Apr 9, 2020, 7:56 PM

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thanks greeny :)

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Ill give it a try, at the very least ill stop headdesking trying to balance all this; thanks

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 7:56 PM

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balancing is useless in this game

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there's no need for it unless for very very specific cases

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 7:57 PM

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oh really?

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I was under the impression it was pretty vital unless you're just making huge machines you intend to make bigger later

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thats good to know

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 7:59 PM

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manifold is better in almost every way

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apart from the longer startup time, which can be nullified by prefilling the machines

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 8:00 PM

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so balancers are just a hot meme

wind spade Apr 9, 2020, 8:01 PM

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balancers were started by people that came from Factorio and played the game Factorio-style, not realising how different it is

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I mean there's no wrong or right in this game, but usually building balancers can be avoided without any loss of efficiency or something

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in Factorio they are relevant as stuff runs out periodically, so it's nice to have your production balanced based on your input. in SF, nodes are infinite and will continue to run with the same efficiency forever, so there's no need to balance, as you never get a different input

winter aurora Apr 9, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I wasnt really considering that. Huh. Yeah damn that makes sense

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well, lessons learned, what a great game

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Thanks for the advice

scarlet marsh Apr 9, 2020, 8:35 PM

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balance is necessary if you have multiple belts

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but you can balance easily with machines

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machines control the throughput

sand garnet Apr 9, 2020, 8:51 PM

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just make several mini manifolds if you have several belts

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I still don't understand the math behind manifolds

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With balancers it's pretty straightforward but manifolds make no sense to me, I still use them, but I don't understand them

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:23 AM

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What don't you understand?

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:24 AM

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how they're both equally efficient

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Each branch that splits off can only move items as fast as the production of the machine its feeding (once the input buffer fills up).

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:25 AM

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also because of words like that

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:25 AM

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So you can effectively just subtract the input rate of each machine from the total rate of the main feed line at each splitter.

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As long as the last machine's input rate matches what's still on the belt (after subtracting all the input rates of previous machines), you're golden.

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:27 AM

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the smelter that takes 30/min is not going to take 120/min

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it will fill up, and then all the rest continues on

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:28 AM

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yes i know, but with a balancer you can split a 120 belt to get 4 30 belts

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how does it work with a manifold

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:28 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/3xg83D7

Imgur

Overflow belt feed in Satisfactory

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:28 AM

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the same

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:28 AM

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so wait, why does it split into 30 and 90 and 60 and 60

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and not 60 and 60*

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Not to mention, balancers gets huge, when we start talking the mk5 belt. 1 to 26 balancer, is not tiny

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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it actually splits into 60 and 60

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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At first it will split 60/60 until the buffer fills.

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Then it can only go as fast as the smelter can process it which is 30.

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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but when the first one is full, the rest goes to the continuing belt

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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what's the buffer?

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i don't know these words

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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the little 100 item storage

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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The 100 ore that fills the input of the machine.

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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ah

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Every machine has 100 input and 100 output buffers.

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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so it reaches 100% efficiency once all the machines are full?

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Yep.

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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i see

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Its not a 100 buffer, but 1 item stack

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 AM

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yeah but that was too complicated to explain

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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what's the difference?

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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not everything stacks to 100

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Makes a difference for things that can stack higher, like wire

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Now you want to get technical?

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 AM

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and lower, like mod frames

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:32 AM

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i make it a goal to start out simple and then work up to the technical stuff

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because if i try to understand everything all at once it doesn't work

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Anyway, does that help with the concept of manifolds?

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:33 AM

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With the way the game is, you dont need math. Just look at the belts. They stopped, you need more machines, they going empty, you need more ore

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:33 AM

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um no

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:33 AM

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that does help me with the concept of manifolds

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:33 AM

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you're much better off doing maths, since if it's perfect, the belts won't be full

tacit scroll Apr 10, 2020, 12:33 AM

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@cedar mica, to a degree. Once you start using overspeed belts....

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Yes, its better to use math, but you can get away with not doing it

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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yeah who knows what's on a mk4

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too fast

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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i also never understood why mk3 belts are 270/min instead of 240, easier ratios?

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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With my current factory, so will everything move around with trains, so a lot of math, goes out the window

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 12:34 AM

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240 just seems more intuitive

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 12:35 AM

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due to the way steel was designed i think

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also why not have it faster

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 12:35 AM

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It was 240, but got changed to 270. If I remember right

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Around the same time mk5 moved from 660 to 780?

scarlet marsh Apr 10, 2020, 1:49 AM

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probably because of steel and supporting even # of foundries

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more capacity makes ratios easier always anyways

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 2:05 AM

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laughs in prime numbers

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 2:06 AM

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17 is the best number

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except in this game

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 3:20 AM

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563 is actually the best number

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but all numbers that include or are divisble by the number 7 are very garbage

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 3:39 AM

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laughs in 69401

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 4:33 AM

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hey, im doing turbofuel and i think i made the math wrong or something. So i need 1200 compacted coal/m, thats 1200 coal and sulfur/m in 48 machines right?

glacial hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Well, how about belt speed of 70, 130, 270, 470, 770.

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 5:55 AM

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why 10 more?

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 5:56 AM

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that makes even less sense imo

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actually i understand why 270 is so good now

long hinge Apr 10, 2020, 6:00 AM

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yes you need 48 machines 2 conveyor per coal 2 per sulfur

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:01 AM

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i have 4 conveyors

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 6:02 AM

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that's a lot of machines

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:02 AM

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with 300 each, how do i make it so every machine is filled correctly?

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i mean, i want a lot of power

long hinge Apr 10, 2020, 6:02 AM

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either owerflow method or injector

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:02 AM

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injector?

long hinge Apr 10, 2020, 6:03 AM

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first splitter feeds the same line after 2-3 spliters

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 6:03 AM

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these words are why i need to watch videos

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:04 AM

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but can i make it perfectly balanced?

long hinge Apr 10, 2020, 6:04 AM

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You can make everything perfectly ballanced

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its satisfactory belt speed + clock

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https://youtu.be/tKcH0X_gh00?list=RDCMUCz9qw5nupdzCGwHwQiqs7qA&t=1189

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Time to Bring out the BIG MACHINES! - Satisfactory Early Access Gam...

Time to Bring out the BIG MACHINES! - Satisfactory Early Access Gameplay Ep 18

Satisfactory Update 3 Early Access gameplay. World domination is under way and our production is really beefing up! Today we're going to finish automating the items from around the desert so we can...

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sorry about links if its not allowed 😦

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF1W1Nl-YGs

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Load Balancer Tips for an Efficient Factory! - Satisfactory Tips (B...

Load Balancer Tips for an Efficient Factory! - Satisfactory Tips (Beginner + Advanced)

More Satisfactory tips today and this time we're going over load balancer tips! We'll check out load balancer designs, how to load balance, and useful and advanced tips on how to utilize bl...

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wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 6:11 AM

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balancers are useless in satisfactory

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just use manifolds, it's useless to have "perfect balance" anyway

chrome flame Apr 10, 2020, 6:13 AM

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agreed, but what, pray tell, is a manifold?

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:13 AM

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what?

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 6:13 AM

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manifold:

--S--S--S--S--S--S
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  X  X  X  X  X  X

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:13 AM

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its more efficient to have 10 machines working that have 5

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like, overflow is sooooo slow

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 6:14 AM

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in the end you'll have the same amount of machines working, doesn't matter if you use manifold or balancer

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"sooo slow" = a few minutes of wait or just prefill the machines

chrome flame Apr 10, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Since input never changes, a balancer is not needed if built right

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 6:14 AM

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and you can build other stuff while manifold is filling, so that doesn't matter much

lucid wasp Apr 10, 2020, 6:14 AM

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or just manually fill machines if you have a storage of ores/items just to kickstart the process

chrome flame Apr 10, 2020, 6:15 AM

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aye

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hmm, this gives me ideas

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 6:56 AM

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Hi guys, im newbie, what is the best solution for the oil generator fuel? without alternate recipe

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 6:59 AM

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what do you mean?

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it depends on how much oil/m do you have

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 7:00 AM

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now 1 line, 300m3

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i full of plastic and rubber, so my oil generator stopped (i made Heavy Oil Residue to Fuel)

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 AM

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sink the plastic/rubber or use it for something

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 7:09 AM

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no solution for oil generator work unlimited time?

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 7:11 AM

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yes, sink the plastic, so your refineries run all the time

fervent tinsel Apr 10, 2020, 7:11 AM

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you can also make an overflow system for the plastic

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if you're using the plastic

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 7:13 AM

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what is mean "sink the plastic"? Sorry my english is bad

nimble knoll Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 AM

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put the plastic in the AWESOME sink

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Ah! Thank you!

fiery locust Apr 10, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Have command for enable the coordinates in game? or mod?

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 8:01 AM

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there's some, but I can't remember exactly

sand garnet Apr 10, 2020, 8:25 AM

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check the wiki for all the console commands @fiery locust

frigid orchid Apr 10, 2020, 8:51 AM

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any recommendations for steel items?

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aka setups

sand garnet Apr 10, 2020, 8:51 AM

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make them from coal and iron ore P

woeful skiff Apr 10, 2020, 8:56 AM

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You mean ratios? I'd probably start close to 50/50 on beams and pipes, or something close that fully consumed my iron/coal inputs. Actually probably heavier on the beams because they are used for conveyors and also encased beams. Alternate recipes can change that significantly though so I build the lines in such a way and with enough space that I can adjust that ratio later.

frigid orchid Apr 10, 2020, 8:59 AM

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as in build designs

novel mica Apr 10, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Hello, I need math info :). How many Fuel generator can be plugged on 1 pure oil ?

sand garnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:27 AM

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OC?

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 AM

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@novel mica gimme a sec ill tell you

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240 oil /m from a pure node = 4 refineries (160 fuel/m)

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10 generators

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but you can overclock the pure node tho

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that would be 600 oil/m

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a lot more

mild hollow Apr 10, 2020, 9:44 AM

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pipes can only handle 300m3/s right

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:44 AM

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oh

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youre right

mild hollow Apr 10, 2020, 9:45 AM

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so you can get max 5 refineries

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:45 AM

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yes, per pipe

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Man there should be upgradable pipes

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:51 AM

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yeah

mild hollow Apr 10, 2020, 9:54 AM

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aluminum pipes should be a thing

wild magnet Apr 10, 2020, 9:57 AM

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ooh yeah

ornate zodiac Apr 10, 2020, 10:05 AM

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you could do 900m3 if you could attach pipe splitters directly to the outlet

glacial hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Aluminum doesn't sounds good to be a material of pipes

ornate zodiac Apr 10, 2020, 10:13 AM

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fluids aren't very compressible, so high throughput pipes need to be thicker and smoother (resist more pressure and create less friction)

wind spade Apr 10, 2020, 10:15 AM

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or just way higher diameter

ornate zodiac Apr 10, 2020, 10:20 AM

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larger diameter can't connect to the existing ports is the problem

shy mason Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Steel piping maybe, we use copper currently as coffee stain is playtesting the fluid mechanics

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 AM

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steelpipes with Copper plating

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more pressure with same resistants

glacial hemlock Apr 10, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Steel with concrete lined internally

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 10:42 AM

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concrete would wash away after time

vale sierra Apr 10, 2020, 10:45 AM

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yeah, steel would be amore logical material for higher capacity pipes, but for balance, maybe make it copper + encased beams or something?

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 10:50 AM

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copper sheet+steel pipes = material for pipes mk2
copper sheet+ encased beams = material for pipes mk3?

shy mason Apr 10, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Naw, tier 3 is likely next grade material, maybe sam ore

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 11:00 AM

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maybe

fierce ruin Apr 10, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Could be a use for a resource without a current use

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Also would get them out of a lot if trouble when it comes to technology

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Because it's fictional, they can set standards for the material as they see fit

wise obsidian Apr 10, 2020, 1:25 PM

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pumps made with turbo motors

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to push fluids at greater speed/volume !

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shouldnt matter what a pipe is made with - fluid speed + same cross sectional area is still the same volume/minute

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 1:34 PM

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but the pipe have to hold the pressure

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 PM

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if i have 1 oil node over clocked to 300³/m how many refineries and fuel stations would i need to make it all 100% efficiency?

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 PM

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depends on how much they use

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 PM

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they are all standard, not overclocked this is my current setup

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 PM

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just fuel?

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 PM

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yeah, i have 1 node, feeding 5 refineries, into 15 fuel stations, and they never drop below 100% full

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file it just trying to upload the image is 20mb 😂

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 PM

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why should they drop? Do you use all Energy?

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 PM

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boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 PM

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gens only use what they need. 50% energy use is 50% fuel use

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 PM

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i use about 1200MW out of the 2150MW they provide

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ahhhh ok i see, i thought they used 100% all the time 😛

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(i only got the game 3 days ago so still learning)

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 PM

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nope

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np :D we are here so YOU can ask :D

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 PM

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😄

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well thanks anyways man, i just need to get my train station started up now and start crafting the stuff for tier 7 and 8

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 PM

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t7 is insane :D

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 PM

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😮 i can't wait! just takes so long to craft computers alone nevermind the other stuff i need to level it up 😂

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 PM

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just finished my 144 nuclear power plants yesterday and made a video about it xD

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just saying... each NPP use 300m³ per minute

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:42 PM

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god damn!! can you link the video?

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:43 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553257340108013568/697863361806991402

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here you go :D

untold linden Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 PM

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thank you 😄 i'll take a look soon 🙂

boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 2:45 PM

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take your time :D

timid hull Apr 10, 2020, 5:35 PM

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So just want to check to see if my math is right here, trying to figure out how to make my coal plants the most efficient in terms of how many buildings I can have per pipe, and just running a bunch of numbers seems like 3 coal gens overclocked to 222% each will be able to consume the 300m/s maximum of a pipe with only having 0.3 excess. Does that make sense? Not sure how game handles decimals.

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boreal cypress Apr 10, 2020, 5:36 PM

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or just do a 3:8 ratio
extractor:coal gen

clear citrus Apr 10, 2020, 5:48 PM

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3:8:120

woeful skiff Apr 10, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I've never played around with OC generators, but re: the math, I don't think 0.3 out of 300 is relevant in a situation where exceeding the max is going to trip the breaker, because you won't be actually running it close enough to breaking point for 0.3 to matter.

clear citrus Apr 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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when you need a decimal amount of machines (1.02, 3.5, whatever it amounts to) how much is it really worth underclocking the last one down to the decimal?

deft lichen Apr 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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it is worth

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it's gonna go bananas with the power, so the factory possibly performs worse when undersupplied

clear citrus Apr 10, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I meant he factory's performance is identical whether you underclock that last machine or not, it's just a question of how much power you save by underclocking

deep marten Apr 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

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What do you guys think of my design?

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Not the best design but it would be 100%efficient

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

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hey. i have a math prob: i'm making 225/min steel tubes and using 210/min with around 10m of conveyers in between.

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my output of steel tubes isnt high enough for all my assemblers to work at full effiency though...

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i put 100 tubes in there and yet it still goes down although i'm producing surplus

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why is that happening

pearl shale Apr 10, 2020, 8:45 PM

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anyone wanna double check my design?

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https://i.imgur.com/13qcLkH.jpg

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trying to make smart plating while also storing up some excess resources. i have 120 ore/min available at this location

gloomy musk Apr 10, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Ya des fr?

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 8:57 PM

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oui

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Looks good to me

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latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:02 PM

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@cunning nacelle what the hell are you making

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too small to read

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:03 PM

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This is supposed to make 1 of every item per minute

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every item I thought was useful that is, about 23 of them

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:08 PM

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are you making turbomotors ? X

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Those are in the list too, yes

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:08 PM

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XD

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litterally the hardest item to make

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it's essential

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:09 PM

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people told me it's good to set a goal, so I set one. Not that this is making it much easier to plan out the factory tho

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website lags out so hard I can't find the start of the production line

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:11 PM

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i like the calculator but it doesnt make use of clockspeed, which i find very dissapointing

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i'm sure if you add power shards here and there to your ''plan'', you could take out 5 or 6 buildings

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:12 PM

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hehe, yeah.. it's a "plan" for sure.
I just don't really know what a realistic goal would be for me to set, y'know

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:13 PM

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you completed all stages of the elevator?

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Yeah

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I would like to automate the creation of every (useful) item, but doing the math and planning it out is just something I don't know how to properly do yet. The calculators are cool but like you said, it doesn't do the overclocking

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:17 PM

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you have a game with mods?

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Nope, vanilla

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:18 PM

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try getting all alternative recepies and make the most optimised factory just for turbomotors or else try a new game with lots and lots of mods

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I got all the alt recepies :D

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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make everything beautiful with decorations and shit XD

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I really don't care about decorations xD

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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well then you're done with the game!

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:19 PM

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XD

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I guess I'll make a turbo motor factory

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:21 PM

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there ya go. you got all the statues yet?

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@cunning nacelle all those turbomotors just for the sink to get 5k coupons

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Nope, ok, my situation is basically: a factory just good enough to make all the stuff needed for T7

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:24 PM

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you should definitly try some mods

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Because.. they add even more stuff to automate?

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yupppp

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Wouldn't that be a terrible idea if I can't even begin to automate the vanilla stuff because I'm stressing about it for no reason?

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:28 PM

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nooo dotn worry, with mods everything is easier

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

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hmmm

latent kernel Apr 10, 2020, 9:30 PM

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gotta run man bye

cunning nacelle Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Cya

long knot Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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here is my 15 reinforced plate per minute factory do I need to add more production, or am I fine with 15p/m?

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timid hull Apr 10, 2020, 11:20 PM

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How is your total power capacity calculated? I know its not just the sum of what all of your plants are producing. Is there a flat % taken off the top or how do you calculate it?

woeful skiff Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Mine are just a simple sum. Are things different in the higher tiers?

timid hull Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Not sure

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I have 8 buildings producing 121.9 MW each, total should be 975.2 but its only 731.3

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woeful skiff Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Are you sure they are all the same?

timid hull Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Yep

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Each one is 121.9

cedar mica Apr 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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You are missing 2 buildings. I guess a power cable misshap

timid hull Apr 10, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Must be, you are right sounds like only 6 on, ill have a look, thanks CrazyOdd

woeful skiff Apr 10, 2020, 11:30 PM

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"Is it plugged in?" Classic tech support.

chrome flame Apr 10, 2020, 11:56 PM

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It's true though

glacial hemlock Apr 11, 2020, 3:22 AM

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It might be 'are they water cooled' too.

pine wedge Apr 11, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I was trying to do some basic experiments to see "how water works" in this game and couldn't get anything conclusive.

untold linden Apr 11, 2020, 3:41 AM

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can anyone send me a layout to their aluminium factories? i'm struggling producing enough silica, i'm not sure how to generate enough to get a continuous flow of aluminium ingots

rancid lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:43 AM

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you'll need to supplement with silica from another source to keep it fully running (quartz)

untold linden Apr 11, 2020, 3:44 AM

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quartz produces silica? 😮

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alrighty thank you, i see this now 😄

rancid lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:44 AM

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https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/silica

glacial hemlock Apr 11, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Use cheap silica

vale sierra Apr 11, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Until you can get the alternative recipe for pure aluminium, then you can use a mix of the old recipe and the new one to balance silica use

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What kind of water pump array's do people use for aluminium? Looking at the numbers would imply they need to be stupidly large

glacial hemlock Apr 11, 2020, 8:10 AM

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I only use 4 pumps