Yup... and to think my problem is WATER. 😛
#math-and-meta
digital eagle
paper mauve
You could always package your liquids and send them to the sink @shy mason
oblique hollow
TBH we dont need a liquid sink we need a release valve to just dump liquid crap all over the map
oblique hollow
an overflow release valve
paper mauve
There ya go
oblique hollow
BP Oil spill simulator 2020
digital eagle
OK, screw it. Im going big. Im gonna have 5 refineries making scrap powering a set of 3 refineries making aluminia solution.
The water is gonna match, not sure about the rest.
tall stratus
Anyone wanna double check my math?
I have 1500 Crude Oil running into 50 Refineries
5 full pipes total, supplying 5 plastic and 5 rubber each
unborn ermine
Oh hey this math, I was here yesterday 😄
tall stratus
The total amount of plastic and rubber is 500 each right?
unborn ermine
Doing that same fuel thing? Or just a straight in -> out?
tall stratus
And the total amount of Heavy Oil Residue should be 150 per Crude pipe (20x5)+(10x5)
Same thing, but it seems like i miscalculated somewhere
unborn ermine
Using a calculator(which might actually have silly steps) says you only need 900m³ for 500 each using Heavy = Fuel
tall stratus
That makes no sense. 20 parts for 30 oil/minute
unborn ermine
I know, its funky ( I actually want to try it tbh)
tall stratus
Anyway, I get 750 heavy oil residue out of it all.
unborn ermine
I think the thing with a setup like the calculator, you need a separate chunk of rubber/plastic to get it rolling, maybe fuel too.
unborn ermine
Lots of things, get some alt recipes
https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/items/silica @digital eagle
digital eagle
OK, nvm then. Thanks. 🙂
unborn ermine
Np
digital eagle
It WAS a stupid question. ;P
tall stratus
Ahaa, no thing is, that calculator used alternative recipes which i haven't unlocked yet @unborn ermine
Uncheck that box and it makes sense to me
Because I also want some fuel for power
unborn ermine
Aahhhh Well then, alts are evil but in the end they help a ton, about 600m³ in this case
tall stratus
Anyway, don't want to burn my fuel on resources, so...
unborn ermine
With the alts you can make 500m³ fuel there too with the 500 rubber/plastic 😆
tall stratus
Can I really? If I add 500 fuel to production targets, there's no change when toggling the alternative recipes
unborn ermine
The thing is it uses a total of 73 refineries though.
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=plastic:500&t=rubber:500&t=fuel:500&c=r:water,cap,0&c=r:crude-oil,cap,1500&or&ar
tall stratus
Yeah, I do that right now, have all my refineries set up
unborn ermine
2,596MW net, if you round down to the nearest generator(and clock speeds)
Alts or no alts? I still had that set to alts on.
Wait a tick
tall stratus
well, my 33.33 generators run on that 500 fuel and will push out 5000MW
unborn ermine
I click the box and nothing changes
Neat
I was under the impression it was still doing fuel black magics
tall stratus
So my generated power from this whole setup would be 5000-2190-554.4= 2255.6MW
554.4 from 2 overclocked oil pumps on 125% to fill to 1500 crude
plus the other 11
unborn ermine
Once I get aluminum done, I hopefully can get my crazy oil area started up north.
paper mauve
Have you guys tried this calc out? It's worked wonders for me so far. You can choose which alt recipes to use and which standard recipes to ignore
Also deals with byproducts quite well and usually attempts to recycle them back into production if possible
unborn ermine
I dont like the scale of the chart, ntm the UI is ... I wouldnt say "bad", just hard to follow.
smaller monitors its probably worse.
paper mauve
To each his own I guess. It's way easier for me to grasp than any other calc I've used so far for u3
unborn ermine
Im kinda liking the one I tossed up a few posts ago, it can mix alts/normal recipes AND limit resources by the numbers you want/have.
unborn ermine
There are a few downsides but they are minor at most.
Like the clockspeed is funky and the recipes are "interesting" to get working.
paper mauve
Everytime I've plugged stuff in it never gave me a chart and just showed me a bunch of building and numbers in what seemed like alphabetical order
unborn ermine
Like this for example, if I wanted to make it use cheap silica..
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=heat-sink:105&c=r:water,cap,1800&c=r:raw-quartz,cap,480&c=r:bauxite,cap,945&or&ar
paper mauve
But I only tried it out the day it came out. Maybe it's had some updates idk
unborn ermine
I would have to limit the quartz to like 360ish
paper mauve
Why is it showing heatsinks as the production target?
unborn ermine
(I had to look for a decent example 😛 )
paper mauve
You can't just pick cheap silica?
unborn ermine
You "can" kinda.. Its made for "optimal" results
paper mauve
Hmm
unborn ermine
Say you want oil products and have no water and need no fuel?
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=plastic:750&t=rubber:750&c=r:water,cap,0&c=r:crude-oil,cap,1500&or&ar
paper mauve
I'll give it another shot after work tonight. I'm on mobile at work (in a restaurant) so nows not really the best time for me to work my way around a satisfactory calculator lol
unborn ermine
I just realized after posting that, that there was 150 left and was like "Oh shit bad example"
paper mauve
Lol ok so it's not just me
unborn ermine
Multiple tabs not the best for calcs
paper mauve
But I see what you mean with the limit resources.
Just can't see a situation where I'd need it yet
Though I haven't begun supercomputers/turbo motors/other late game items yet
unborn ermine
Say you have a base south of the Dune Desert, and want to make oil products.
You dont want to pump water over JUST for that, but you have a max of 900m³ water by the geysers.
Going from that you can optimize a build like that.
paper mauve
I got you
unborn ermine
Or reverse engineering a uranium setup with limited sulfur ect
paper mauve
I just tend to build microfactories spotted around my base and build near the resources and send completed products back to my base. This calculator seems like its more suited for megafactories
unborn ermine
Or highly optimized micro facilities (limiting yourself by what you can make on hand)
lusty orbit
Hi everyone ! I just started the very mathematical way of satisfactory and i'm litteraly a noob ! so if any one is okay to give me the basics and some "advanced" stuff i'll be so grateful (and your reward will be some good baguettes/fromage/croissants) ! thanks by advance mates
btw dm me if needed
severe steppe
Not sure if everyone knows this for oil maxed out at 300 fluid on pipes you can use 6 refineries to produce fuel for 28 fuel generators at least
Thought I'd throw that out there
digital eagle
Whoa... I have a weird bug. Can't align a building to foundations.
Or rather, can't align a building ON foundations to another building of the same type.
severe steppe
Have you used the ctrl button? It works wonders
dark wadi
Even with CTL?
digital eagle
Yes, I did.
severe steppe
Have you tried restarting the game
digital eagle
I can try
severe steppe
Save first though lol
digital eagle
Just had autosave. 😛
dark wadi
You don't have anything sticking though the foundation that is throwing it off?
lyric ice
Is there a bug with pipe support? Just removed one and then the water flowed, didnt flow after the support, but stopped in the pipe right before it
unborn ermine
Ayy, thanks @tall stratus for putting me in the oil math-ing mood :P
Decided to plug some numbers and got a preeeeeetty alright setup for a "starter" oil area for people who rush turbo/alts. (and decided to start in the Dune Desert)
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=turbofuel:300&t=plastic:300&t=rubber:450&c=r:crude-oil,cap,900&c=r:water,cap,0&or&ar
tall stratus
🙂
unborn ermine
900m³ oil from 4 nodes, 2 Impure + 2 Normal, nets a nice set of values with a good chunk of turbo.
tall stratus
you overclock like crazy right?
unborn ermine
no nasty water setups too, which is partially why I say "starter"
Yeah overclock to the max
its nice though, 2 impure = 300m³
tall stratus
Maybe I should rebuild my setup with overclocking another time. Do I gain on overclocking and then using more fuel generators with the output?
unborn ermine
iirc all the nodes on the northern beach = 9.5 lines of 300m³ oil, thats including the 3 over by the bay/geyser to the west.
tall stratus
Cause I feel like I built that place to get more power, but it didn't really help much
I run 5 lines right now
and that's coast and west
unborn ermine
Its insanity how much power you can get now if you max out oil gains
tall stratus
Okay, so maybe I should build the same thing one more time then 😧
unborn ermine
Ok, so imagine using 9.5 lines of Oil for Turbo+Alts... Basic rates 2850 = 1800 Turbo or a clean 400 gens
Lots of resin leftover but, could be used for actual production (if straight fuel is used)
tall stratus
What's the turbo/normal ratio. How much more is it worth?
unborn ermine
Burn rate?
unborn ermine
if so yeah that ^
tall stratus
hmm. And how much more turbo do i get than regular fuel?
minus production cost, it seems like it's a long shot, but haven't done the math.
What I mean is, is it really worth doing turbo fuel in the end?
cunning night
I prefer turbo, I can't remember the numbers as I don't have the game open
Then again, I'm using heavy turbo.
unborn ermine
If you look back at the post I did earlier where I tagged you Neutex, that may give a general idea of power?
66.66~ gens in the end for 562.5 oil, to make 375 rubber too. , I would need 1000 normal Fuel to match turbo.
using that value
Which is not pretty when you do the math to get that quantity/matching.
1500 oil and with an excess 270 resin with the normal recipe rates.
I also did a fudge on the turbo,
I was using a chain that didnt make resin,
540 oil same amount of 270 resin using normal numbers.
sharp mountain
My math might be abit of a mess, its a controlled mess only I can find meaning it :p but I wanted to see the best way to make plastic/rubber and I think making Heavy Oil residue alt recipe and making that into fuel and dilute it/unpackage it and making the fuel and polymer into rubber and then take half the rubber and mix with more fuel and make that into plastic, is the way to go
Plastic
60 crude oil = 20 heavy oil(13 fuel[26 plastic] 40 plastic
= 66 plastic
Rubber
60 crude oil = 40 rubber 40 heavy oil (26 fuel) (52 rubber)
= 92 rubber
Crude oil to fuel
60 crude oil = 40 fuel(80 plastric (80 rubber) 30 polymer(10 plastic)(15 rubber)
total. 90 plastic 95 rubber
Polymer resin (rubber)
60 crude oil = 130 polymer resin (65 rubber) 20 heavy oil(13 fuel[26 rubber] [80 rubber if fuel is diluted]
= 85 rubber (145 if heavy oil is made into diluted fuel)
Polymer resin (plastic )
60 crude oil = 130 polymer resin (42 plastic) 20 heavy oil(13 fuel[26 plastic][80 plastic if fuel is diluted]
= 68 plastic (122 if heavy oil is made into diluted fuel)
Heavy oil residue ALT RUBBER
60 crude oil = 80 heavy oil 40 polymer (20 rubber)
80 heavy oil + 320 water = 160 fuel
160 fuel = 320 rubber + 20 (180 to plastic recycled rubber)
= 340 rubber
Heavy oil residue ALT PLASTIC
60 crude oil = 80 heavy oil 40 polymer (13 plastic)
80 heavy oil + 320 water = 160 fuel
160 fuel = 320 plastic + 13 (166 to recycled rubber)
= 333 plastic
Suggestion though to take the 40 polymer and only use it to make rubber and use that to make plastic.
unborn ermine
Yeah its been confirmed you can get around 800-ish rubber or 866-sh plastic from a 300m³ node/pipe.
Also using the diluted fuel shenanigans.
sharp mountain
I wish the game added alot more variables
Same with the "pure" ingot stuff. you dont just add water and POOF more iron
Thats not how it works. It would work like that IF the normal version of using a smelter had a second output of by-product
Like slag, mineral sludge. Just a byproduct you can use for something else (Im thinking way too much Angel mods in factorio rn)
Id like to see the refinery using water + ore to make pure iron ORE. And then you smelt that
unborn ermine
Reminds me of when I was thinking, "how are we going to use nuclear waste?"
Probably going to get fiddled with so we can make depleted uranium, shielding for containers and a few extra alts for removing waste.
sharp mountain
I believe nuclear waste will be the test of your skills. Until you unlock S.A.M tech which is rumoured to be teleportating tech
So you use a sam machine to phase warp nuclear stuff out of existance
Or something.
scarlet marsh
question - in aluminum production, is it better to a) use output water to run alumina refineries or b) sink the water?
reason i ask is i wonder if pipes will clog and backup system if it is not run at 100% utilization
sharp mountain
Can you sink water..?
wind spade
you can sink packaged water
scarlet marsh
package and remove it yeah
sharp mountain
That sounds really bad
Id just recycle the water. This is why we need a smart valve system
fallow lily
You can use output water in the process of making aluminum, but you need to handle it carefully to avoid stalling.
sharp mountain
If > is below a certain threshold, turn on pump until threshold is met. Otherwise, recieve water from alumina production
fallow lily
I'd make sure that aluminum ingots are sunk so that it never shuts down.
sharp mountain
Big brain moment
scarlet marsh
i am planning to recycle the water, i am just thinking that if im only running 50% utilzation the pumps will just fill up the pipes and clog the whole system
scarlet marsh
yeah thats what i was thinking
maybe ill just add some extra input pumps and sink the water
thats kind of annoying
sharp mountain
They need smart buffers
Is buffer below 50% = activate pump.
Is buffer at or above 50% = deactive pump
I fixed it. Coffee stain hire me
scarlet marsh
yeah they probably should add some kind of valve with logic
a 'smart pump'
i sink so many materials in this game lol for things to work
incredibly inefficient lol, but robust
just take some of the plastic im sinking to make coke and use it to package the water to sink as well lol
crude girder
Tfw your sink doesn't take actual liquids
scarlet marsh
it takes packaged liquids
unborn ermine
I love using alt recipe combos, aluminum for me atm using electrode recipe (no oil) making 105 Heatsinks/min, only uses 945 ore/min with all the changes.
hazy fossil
It frankly shocks me that the electrode aluminum scrap recipe is more efficient than the regular one
Not complaining tho
unborn ermine
Doesn't it just boil down to, less fluid in and more scrap for the fluid?
At a glance, yeah it looks worse just because the way the items per usage show.
dull kayak
Hey i'm super early game right now, just got to RIFs
I got a Hard Drive and it looks like one of the best ones
the thing is i'm not sure what to take
dim thicket
Screenshot?
dull kayak
dim thicket
Casted screw is excellent
dull kayak
I heard iron wire is op, it's between that and casted screws
dim thicket
You can't go wrong with iron wire either
Iron wire used to be op, nerfed with update 3
dull kayak
I would absolutely just go with casted screws but I have no idea if i should go for early game or late game
i do like the ratios
i need to make a rotor factory soon and casted screws has the best ratios to offer
dim thicket
That 50 per minute screws is very nice, just means extra efficiency everywhere
dull kayak
i went with casted screws
At least I don't need to spaghetti shit anymore for screws
also I got like 40 batteries from a drop site, is it better to sink them for coupons or to save them
i also got HMFs and some computers which i think i should just like save so i can careen through tiers
bright sluice
When they make a generator that runs off batteries:
Power Station(?)
dull kayak
would love kind of like
emergency power
that runs off batteries
like it's attached to the power grid but it doesn't consume batteries until like power actually shuts off because of some unknown variable
dunno
paper mauve
yeesssss I want that too
there was a mod like that for update 2. Hopefully it gets updated for u3
bright sluice
Like you just feed batteries or some future upgrade to it and it will supply more power. Since batteries can be automated, why not this, with an input to take any possible battery variant. Idunno
Weaker than nuclear and turbofuel but more efficient than fuel, in terms of burn time to power output (still less in MW production). Could be more resource efficient than all previous per machine(?). Probably move the battery to this new milestone.
unborn ermine
iirc the basic requirement for power is a net gain for what you have to put in.
An example of this was the slight increase to coal based fuel energy per item.
The values were increased to compensate the water need for coal gens.
unborn ermine
Batteries need a lot of work in relation to the output, so finding the values for it would take a hot minute.
bright sluice
ok then
but batteries have a long burn time
that could compensate a little
I agree i need to develop this more
like i said we could change the battery up like moving it to a different tier and changing it's costs
right now i question why a battery is aluminum
glacial hemlock
I would like to see a charging station and discharge station for batteries, and all new produced batteries comes with empty charge
And maybe charging station run at 90% conversion rate
bright sluice
Like empty canisters
But these not like lithium ion or something. I mean there can be ion cells in a later update but these a sulfuric acid based, which don't last forever
glacial hemlock
Rechargeable with H2SO4 you mean? Maybe it will be one of the way to get rid of nuclear byproduct H2SO4
bright sluice
just say sulfuric acid plz
and sulfuric acid is in the game and funnily used for uranium refinment
glacial hemlock
At least this is much simpler than the manufacturing of U235 in another game.
bright sluice
the sulfuric acid was used to mine it and the centrifuge is random
unborn ermine
patiently waits for depleted uranium
glacial hemlock
There is, just another name, called nuclear waste
unborn ermine
😛
it would be nice though, adds in potential for a few new items/buildings/alternate recipes just from that one "simple" item.
bright sluice
well nuclear waste is plutonium, U238 and U235
unborn ermine
heck even weapons, depleted uran ammo anyone?
glacial hemlock
Mk4 miner: require sulfuric acid input.
bright sluice
Covfefe Stane won't let us get rid of nuclear waste. They don't waste.
flint carbon
Mk4 miner: require sulfuric acid input.
@glacial hemlock How fast is it?
bright sluice
yes
glacial hemlock
Requires 300/min sulfuric acid, output default 480/min, 2 outlet.
bright sluice
@glacial hemlock you just brought uranium mining in factorio here you cursed us
it will be impossible
glacial hemlock
😄
bright sluice
you know your mk4 miner made me think about nuclear requiring water
What if you don't need to supply water till a certain point. At that point, if no water is supplied...
Meltdown
and big boom
glacial hemlock
Steam collecter: place it above nuclear plant, collects steams and channel into pipe system. Condenser - convert steam into water and generate a small amount of thermal heat
bright sluice
now your just putting factorio in here
glacial hemlock
Planned nuclear explosion would be a cool way to kill aliens
flint carbon
😒
bright sluice
ye but would would destroy any thing around it and leave the area untouchable
glacial hemlock
But you have hazmat suit.
bright sluice
If
glacial hemlock
Bonus: those alien that didn't get killed, mutate and become 2x stronger. Drops special items
bright sluice
lets say no amount of filters will stop fallout radiation
lets just hope that this only lingers for a short time
glacial hemlock
That is not precise. You could say: it last for x hours before the radiation dropped to 1%
bright sluice
i don't like details just the jist
naive cloak
Amy word on the best alternative recipes to use? The Wiki is currently outdated which is a real bummer since I used it for reference a lot
paper mauve
@naive cloak https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f6kova/my_indepth_analysis_of_the_new_update_3_alternate/
glacial hemlock
Crystal com + cat CB is worse than cat com + silly CB
dry mason
10 water extractors on 4 pipes is 2 connected to each pipe to make 8 extractors then the last two connect to all 4 pipes to make up the 60m3/m right?
glacial hemlock
5 into 2 is much simpler.
spare steeple
This ratio good? For reference, its all coming off a copper 120 belt
Left is cable, right is wire.
Sweet
quartz cosmos
Little tip if you wana utilize space to the max, and leave as little open gaps....
You can line up the Smelters right next each other, then then zig zag your constructors.
This is also great if your limited how wide you can go, but have plenty of lengt.
Also a bit of a tic from Factorio, Building as dense as possible. Maximise space to the fullest.
keen brook
could someone help me with some steel production shananigans?
spare steeple
@quartz cosmos Thing is, you might not have enough space for power poles
quartz cosmos
the cables have a decent long range, and you can place the poles between the smelter and the constructors, because I always leave 1 foundation space for splitters/mergers there, so there is enough space there.
- you can place poles on the end of the constructors between those other mergers/splitters.
barren elm
Unlike factorio though, you don't have to build within your "biter border", nor do you have to account for robo port areas
There's really not a reason to build compact in satisfactory
Saves a bit on concrete I guess, and makes it harder to navigate on foot
empty hemlock
there is: having played too much zachtronic games ;)
barren elm
Also you could build a lot more compact by building manifolds of building types (ie 18 smelters in a row, 10 assemblers in another row etc) and routing the excess resources where needed
Like you've got a lot of wasted space there due to having to account for the splitter
spare steeple
Ehh
Space isn't a concern for me atm
I like building stuff that is in straight lines
glacial hemlock
The only limitation is the creativity, there is no 'good' way to build. But there is 'optimized' way to.
keen brook
I need some help getting the measurements on steel production. I have 2 mk. 1 miners, both on pure. what r the proper measurments?
glacial hemlock
do you have any alternative recipes unlocked?
glacial hemlock
do you have mk2 belts or mk3 belts available?
glacial hemlock
lets say you have mk2 belts, you will get 120 coal from a pure coal node and 120 iron ore from a pure iron node, means you will need 3 foundries and producing a total of 120 steel ingots per min. (which is, well, not pretty efficient)
glacial hemlock
yes, and you will need a recipe (get from hard drives) called solid steel ingot
a more advanced is called compacted steel ingot, which is pretty late game
keen brook
k wiki time
silk hound
you dont need the solid steel ingot, its just an alternate recipe
keen brook
well yeah but solid is more effiecient (i wikied it)
silk hound
yes it is, especially when you use it with the alternate pure iron
keen brook
im going to need to go hunting BIG TIME....
cedar mica
Have we figured out if we need pumps, for distance?
I know pumps speeds up the filling, but dont know if its needed
scarlet marsh
i think no
i dont think they speed up filling per se
but maybe more consistent rate
cedar mica
The pumps seems to speed up flowrate, while the pipes are not yet full
uncut hamlet
2+2 = ? please
unborn ermine
5
oblique hollow
21
paper mauve
2 full pipes plus 2 full pipes equals 1200 meters cubed of fluid
spring elbow
anyone got like some mathemathics how much i need for nuclear power, like how much control rod and so on
unborn ermine
If you get the energy value from Greeny's site, you can calculate the rod usage yourself (if you dont have a fuel rod handy to test 😛 )
Heres some values 750000 MJ of energy per rod, 2500 MW for the Reactor
2500/750000 = 0.0033~ rods per second
0.0033~ x 60 = 1.99~ rods per minute
Someone can correct me if Im wrong 😄
I feel like I messed up somewhere, or for some reason Im not getting the math myself anymore?
Im using the same logic as fuel gens for this.
Ah ha! my brain, after almost 15 minutes understands again! Pretty close to 2 rods per reactor/min @spring elbow
No clue why that was so hard.
spring elbow
@unborn ermine thx very much
unborn ermine
I would have had to do it myself eventually too 😛
Np, glad to help.
spring elbow
i will try to get a nuclear power plant today i don't wanna mess up completly so haha yes
unborn ermine
So where did I go wrong? Miss a zero?
unborn ermine
ah, so I just added an extra step that bunged the numbers up, neat.
Welp now we know 😄
spring elbow
we are talking about the nuclear fuel rod right, and not about the electromagnetic control rod
unborn ermine
effort was there, just transferring the data around was a fault by me.
Rods are rods
paper mauve
That's a yes nico lol
sand garnet
iron rods lol
paper mauve
But electromagnetic control rods are required to make nuclear fuel rods. The re not the same thing
sand garnet
control rods arent that hard to make fortunately
paper mauve
They're also non radioactive yay
upbeat tide
been working on a stackable crystal ocilator system, this makes 2/min and total input can handle 4/min with two stacks thoughts?
“Next process” referrs to the stackable bit, moving the input upward
fierce ruin
I keep having water flow issues. I have one pipe that flows at max, and the others that are near nothing.
Ive tried to throw a pump on it and that doesnt seem to help
upbeat tide
-
Check your water gens are working
-
Find the first pipe setment showing issues and add pumps
-
If inclines you must have pumps every 20m of incline
fierce ruin
hmm.. it's probably the last bit. Thanks!
upbeat tide
And add the pump before the incline
Water gens have a head lift of 10m so keep that in mind too
rugged cairn
Am I doing this right?
Caterium node Pure with a Mk3 miner at 250% = 1200/m
Smelter can input 45/m
1200/45 = 26.66 (27 with one at 66%)
Then my output is 15/m * 26.6 = 399/m
Constructor inputs 12/m
399/12 = 33.25 (34 with one at 25%)
Constructor outputs 60/m * 33.25 = 1995 Quickwire/m
Is that correct? It seems high.
rugged cairn
ahh, that's the number I'm missing
dim thicket
So clock down to that, yeah. Whatever is the best belt you have is the most you can extract
upbeat tide
And id recommend getting pure caterium alt
Makes far more ingots/ore than normal
Its a refinery alt
rancid lark
163% will get you 782.4 or something like that on a pure node with mk3 miner
dim thicket
You can set the output rate now!
rancid lark
it'll still round the overclock to the nearest whole percent though
rugged cairn
yes you can
dim thicket
Oh does it? Sad.
steel pier
hey so i have a question, i need to split one output into five even inputs, but i dont have the smart splitter so i have to just use the basic one, does someone have a solution to that already?
rancid lark
steel pier
sick
spark gulch
wouldnt that make 116% input?
rancid lark
smart splitter doesn't do ratios anyway
the link is a gallery showing how it starts and ends up
but ya, this method only works if you have enough belt capacity to handle 120% input once it's going
steel pier
i do so thats not a problem for right now
spark gulch
iirc theirs a calc for it somewhere (seen it on imkibitz) but for the life of me cant find the link
upbeat tide
I just prefer to balance via manifold technique personally
hot onyx
Do mk6 belts exist and at what speed?
hot onyx
So top is mk5 at 780?
upbeat tide
Yup
hot onyx
Damn ok
spark gulch
so i was doing planning for 10x adaptive ctrl units per minute (go big or go home)
and either ive borked my maths or the amount of oil required is somewhat impossible?
anyone else done similar calc or know if its possible with alts
(my aim is making 10x of each elevator component)
upbeat tide
That would be
- 10/min computers
- 10/min HMF
- 50/min circuit boards
- 75/min adv wiring
That should be more than doable. Id recommend silicon circuit boards
spark gulch
iron+copper side of things is a joke but doable only oil seemed the issue
silicon is an alt?
dry mason
@spark gulch this is the hell you’re going to get into https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner/index/index/adaptiveControlUnit/10/direction/RIGHT/maxBeltSpeed/780/minerSpeed/3;pure/pumpSpeed/1;pure
upbeat tide
spark gulch
yep already calced it out (without the calc before it was updated lul)
upbeat tide
@spark gulch that site has the alt lists and details
spark gulch
although visually its madness if you run the numbers your self although madness the graph isnt madness
according to the site id need 50 oil wells
hence the issue :/
upbeat tide
Thats why u use the silicon circuit board alt and maybe crystal computer, caterium computers
obtuse jetty
wish that calculator could be used in reverse...
spark gulch
i enabled all alts on the calc
it uh seems to have died
dry mason
Lol you’ll need 1,170,000x Crude Oil Jesus
dry mason
thank god resources are infinite
spark gulch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497161332244742154/688493307625603107/EATSQT5ucb.mp4 no regrets
in my math id done this to 2 a4 sheets 🥴
dry mason
10 a minute for something you only need once haha
hot onyx
But they bring in bank in the shredder
dry mason
turbo motors are easier and give 600k points each
@spark gulch the term for you is ‘Bat shit crazy’ hahaha
spark gulch
stress tester
dry mason
the game might handle it but will your PC?
dry mason
I would say you’d need a nuke to power all that but you ain’t got there yet lol
spark gulch
thing is running the maths your self comes out a waaaaayyyy lot cleaner than that calc
hot onyx
Fuck power..... Killing me so hard. I unlocked fuel but am too lazy to set it up
obsidian seal
im about to convert 2850 oil to turbo fuel and some rubber 🙂
spark gulch
looking at all these alt i may need to adventure out of my corner to get some hard drives
where i landed had heaps of pure nodes which was nice and pretty much just cliffs and deaths for the rest of it
ok tried enabling all the relevant alts
calc seems to be chugging a bit harder now
it got down to 18 oil wells before enabling the rest
this is a nice steel alt
keen brook
very effiecency yes
spark gulch
oh uh if you enable the recyled rubber/plasitc alts it uses the alt which uses MORE oil in the end
@dry mason best i got to was 16 oil wells if your interested
which im assuming if i boost can reduce
upbeat tide
There are ways to make computers and circuit boards with zero oil, but involve ocilators
And lots of silica
spark gulch
cant auto silica?
spark gulch
havnt got to alu yet :/
upbeat tide
Look at two specific alts
Crystal computers and silicone circuit boards
spark gulch
3quart+5limestone = 7 silica
upbeat tide
Unkess you have easy limestone access that alt isnt that efficient
spark gulch
ive got more limestone than i do oil :/
spark gulch
hold on a dang second
upbeat tide
Even if you dont use the crystal comp alt the silicon circuit boards help a ton
spark gulch
this calc is a thonk
if you only enable crystal computers is drops way down to only needing 7 oil
upbeat tide
Gonna use a ton of raw quartz tho and ocilators are used more than you think
In nuclear rods making for example
spark gulch
with only that alt enabled calc says 300 raw quartz
upbeat tide
That said this is an ocilator flowchart I am making
spark gulch
which im right next to 2 pure quartz nodes so should be no isse
thanks so much dude that makes my life immeasurably easier
upbeat tide
Uses
- pure iron ingot
- pure quartz crystal
- casted screw
- iron wire
- cable
- iron plate
- RIP
- normal crystal ocilator
spark gulch
other than now needing to flip over the whole world finding hardrives cause ive explorered so little
obtuse jetty
hey all, I'm much earlier game and trying to figure out my first refinery
I can produce 360m^3/min
not sure if there is a good guide on how I could best use this
upbeat tide
That flowchart fits into a 4x3 foundation tower and is designed to stack verticlly.
spark gulch
i just usually figure out how many machines i need for which line
then heres the good part: || i pretty much play tetris trying to fit them in||
upbeat tide
@obtuse jetty pipes only hold 300m3 max so plan around that
Make plastic, rubber and fuel to begin with and turn your heavy oil residue into coke and sink for now, same with poly resin til you figure things out
spark gulch
central gets jammed really fast from my exp
upbeat tide
Distributed is better, build things close to the nodes
And if you want central, ship higher tiered goods in and such
spark gulch
tis easier to move over land than through solid factories
calc seems to struggle on alts optmisation
eg on of circuit alts uses silica
decided to use that one hence making oil go through the roof and lots of waste products
upbeat tide
Thats why I make my own calcs,, most calcs are still eeh
spark gulch
yeah i mean the calc is right buuuutttttt its far from the optimal route not to mention impossible
nothing beats pen+paper
and pages of chicken scratchings for notes
upbeat tide
Visio is my preference
spark gulch
isnt that licenced though 0-0
spark gulch
true
harsh fractal
Notepad++ is my goto
narrow inlet
dry mason
@spark gulch there is 8 pure, 12 normal and 10 impure. if over clocked that’s 9,600 + 7,200 + 3,000 so 19,800m3/m for oil max
spark gulch
19800 if all are boosted?
dry mason
1 pure node gets 1200 oc’d to the max?
dry mason
that’s impure
scarlet marsh
ANY
dry mason
Pure has to have more than impure or its worthless going to get it.....
harsh fractal
Because pipe capacity
spark gulch
pipes limit to 300 though
harsh fractal
Until mk2 pipes anyway
spark gulch
or being able to directly attach splitters
dry mason
oil doesn’t work the same as water... you can have a 600 m3/m pump spit out 900m3/m if you split it right at the exit of the extractor
stuck stratus
That is impossible.
scarlet marsh
how do you split it?
dry mason
the game can do it I’ve shown it on screen shots before
stuck stratus
Crosses and splitters do not attach to outputs
spark gulch
all fluids follow same volume rules?
stuck stratus
Whether it's possible or not is irrelevant for current functionality
dry mason
you can put a 1.1 m3 pipe to the extractor then a splitter all 3 pipes will revive 300m3/m flow
stuck stratus
How are you getting 900/m when pure max is 600?
dry mason
not sure haven’t tested the extractor pipe length but as close as you can get seems to work
spark gulch
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/5e49d9d9a88e031cdf9646d6 does seem to be support on over 300
spark gulch
it could be a bug
but it could also be due to the shortness of the pipe there is no pressure hence faster flow (still bug id assume)
scarlet marsh
so in the short section of pipe the flow rate is 900/m?
spark gulch
presumably pressure bug
dry mason
........| 300
OE-S- 300
| 300
Is what I had not sue if
|
OE ——-S
|
If this would have the same affect
scarlet marsh
have you actually been consuming 900/m to verify it wasnt just a display problem?
ok
dry mason
I had 3 buffers at each end and recorded a flow of 300 in each buffer simultaneously....
scarlet marsh
ah
dry mason
the pipes read 300 m3 as well
dry mason
it only had a pipe in no pipe out
scarlet marsh
yeah
dry mason
once the buffers had filled about 3/4 the flow dropped to about 140 each pipe
scarlet marsh
the real test is sinking 900/m to verify
ok
that makes sense
it could have been flowing from storage too
dry mason
easy to replicate 1 oil extractor pipe junction leading to 3 industrial buffers
scarlet marsh
so you may have seen 300/m from the pipes perspective
dry mason
nothing else after that
scarlet marsh
but not from the pump
dry mason
but if the buffers were cause the feed back liquid wouldn’t it stay at 300 the more the buffers filled
They do have their own flow like extractors and pumps
scarlet marsh
there is storage in the pipe too
flow in - flow out = storage
the flow in and flow out can be different
so im thinking it came from storage
dry mason
well that’s anything in game really
if the storage units didn’t use gravity or have their own flow you’d have to have a pump at the back of it but even at that pumps can’t suck... so storage buffers need their own flow
scarlet marsh
yes the pipes store too which is why i think the flow out may have been 300, but not all the 300/min is from the pump in a given pipe
dry mason
If the fluid was traveling from the pump and the buffer that means the game just reads the flow from any direction and adds it then displays it... if that did happened there would be no flow cause the liquid would counter act itself and stop
scarlet marsh
i dont think so
dry mason
Either the calculation for the flow is wrong or the pipes can carry more than 300 but the display can only go up to 300
scarlet marsh
flow rate in/out is not balanced unless all stores are full
im pretty sure pipes do not carry more than 300
when i add a sink to it
dry mason
then how can you get 900 from 600
scarlet marsh
have a hard enough time getting 300/min out
dry mason
the oil extractor I used was pure and over clocked with 3 slugs
scarlet marsh
if you have stored liquids you can display a 300/min rate with no inpits
you need to put a sink on it to verify
if you can actually pull 900/m out
dry mason
you’d have to package the fluid to sink it
scarlet marsh
or just put it in any refinery
just connect to something that is consuming 900/m
to see if the machines actually run at max utilization
violet leaf
What is the math behind piping oil/water? Like how many pistons per pipe length or can i put a lot of pistons on one end?
scarlet marsh
pumps are for overcoming height differential
violet leaf
...oh. I was thinking i need them for all pipe. Whoops
shy mason
You get 10m elevation from water extractors, each pump gets you another 22m. Theres no penalty for length aside from longer time needed to fill the pipe to fliw to where you need it.
vagrant knot
Yeah, and be sure to think of the pipes only as pushing water they "can see", They don't pull water towards themselves, only "push" it the direction they point, and they only "push" water that has already reached that pump.
minor coral
I just cant seem to understand the Production Planner on the Satisfactory Calculator web page. Anyone willing to help me understand?
trim oar
my pump has a 22 m headlift but its going 2 walls upwards. why?
oblique hollow
What machine is at the end of the pipe
strong bison
hey guys, i didnt really play that game that long, but should i start with calculating the input and output on tier 4?
fallow lily
You can start any time you wish.
I've been running numbers since Tier 1 of my first session.
crude girder
The math in this game is pretty simple compared to other factory games, starting early helps you prep for the mid-late game calcs too
trim oar
@oblique hollow there is another pump cause the pipe is going upwards
but in between there is a maximum of 12m headlift
shy mason
Stick with basic recipes the first time you need to build a specific product, the alts are going to complicate everything intentionally if you feel yourself relying on planning apps too much
storm ingot
Yup, is how I do it. I only use new recipes in new production lines, else you waste so much time hunting all the hard drives etc that hours of play and you got not much and minimal benefit overall.
keen brook
whats the best thing to mass produce for coupons 
when you dont have a manufacturer?
keen brook
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
scarlet marsh
something difficult that you have plenty of
storm ingot
Give me one moment, I will show you how I do it so not building stuff just to feed it.
scarlet marsh
i mean
its probably just best to sink whatever you have excess of
over time it will build up
the more complex the recipe/input ingredients the better
storm ingot
#screenshots For now I just dump whatever I have too much of as the storage containers get full
It is a little manual, but shift click in short term is pretty fast way to do it. I might have an automatic systems later if I get secondary surpluses
I just empty out the container, cross the street and unload it into the dumpster
keen brook
I'm using smart plating and A.I. Limiter rn
glacial hemlock
Don't rush for coupons until you automated turbomotor. You could get a handful of coupons just by sinking petroleum byproducts
shy mason
I dedicate a few iron nodes entirely to a few(3-5) assemblers for modulated frames, most of those get sent to sink for basic wall options and you only need them for space elevator parts and trucks pre oil now that most building require re plates instead now.
pine tangle
@keen brook Check Wiki - it has updated Sink-Points Value for all items.
wheat elbow
if you slide then jump you go a bit faster
you can jump across 2 platforms or 16 meters
celest basin
Miners were not changed in update 3 right?
oh jeez I wanted to update my calculator for recipes and such but the wiki isn't even updated, and I'm really not gonna check all the ingame buildings XD
paper mauve
Miners are still the same
keen brook
whats the maths on 1 pure of each resource for compacted coal to generators?
by my maths, ~17
halp plz
stark sapphire
Can someone explain overclocking nuclear fuel generators for me? Ping me with message please (I'm at work so I'm not always checking this)
fallow lily
@stark sapphire There is currently no way to overclock nuclear reactors, because of their 300 water/minute requirement. There is no pipe that can supply more than 300 water/minute.
stark sapphire
Ahhh, I thought there was a reason. Thanks! Completely forgot about that
Well I'm working on a massive project...474 nuclear reactors...just under 1.2 million mw of power
stark sapphire
I like big projects 🤣
And I'm using mods
scarlet marsh
okay lol, which mods?
buoyant turtle
hey guys i have a question. if you have one conveyor which you want to split into a line of 2/5 and a line of 3/5 of the items, how would you do that? and how would that be called?
keen brook
i think it would be called a 1 : 2/5 3/5 split
idk how you'd do it though
look up a 1 : 5 split then merge those outputs
also i like how noone replied to my question ;-;
buoyant turtle
@keen brook
keen brook
where does one find that?
buoyant turtle
satisfactory wiki
keen brook
oh
willow igloo
is there anyone interested in microfactories? I had thought about designing something where you could build small contained factories that only produce the bare minimum to supply 1 or 2 end machines. The idea is that you could then use these micro factories in combination with higher tier production, like you'd have a iron plate block combined with a screw block to put together side by side to feed a reinforced iron plate factory and then that now counts as its own "block" for anytime you need iron plate factories
I know that sounds weird, but it just feels like it's more efficient to only build just enough to keep yourself supplied as opposed to building a giant field of smelters at the start for future planning.
paper mauve
@willow igloo you may be interested in this reddit post
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/bhq8d8/microfactories_an_alternative_way_to_build/
willow igloo
yeah something similar to that.
paper mauve
Also Part 2, an update
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/bnukug/microfactories_an_alternate_way_to_build_part_2/
willow igloo
granted they're working on one process into the next, which is neat if you have the logistics to make it work, my thought was that you'd input raw materials in and get a product out the other side, either exiting on the same level or exiting up through a vertical conveyor
so like building blocks you might take a factory that fits in a 3x3 grid (1 mark 1 belt of plate) and put it beside a similar sized screw factory
paper mauve
Yeah I see what you mean
willow igloo
then either put the reinforced iron plate machines above or beside it, and that enclosed becomes a new bigger block
perfect balancing isn't required as you'd just over estimate then underclock as neeed
paper mauve
I'm doing something kinda similar, but instead of bringing the ores in, I'm smelting on site at the node, and bringing the ingots to the microfactories. You can move a lot more that way
willow igloo
only reason why I'm thinking of bringing ore to the factory is that with alt recipes you might want to have the flexibility to change up your factory's order of building blocks
just a thought
and instead of segmenting your plate and screw factories from each other in each reinforced factory, you could play around and make a fully integrated block factory for that one bit
I dunno, I tried a bus, and it got cumbersome as I didn't plan the order of the belts as well as I should
then I tried a single rising tower but vertical buses are tricky as well, so I'd love to just put down a micro factory for an item, and have that item go back to my hub. If I need that item for another project, I just copy it as a building block for the next factory
paper mauve
yeah that sounds like a great idea
willow igloo
something like this would take 60 iron ore in the upper right corner and produce 40 iron plate in the lower left, able to output to the left, or down, or up through a ceiling hole
I'm just looking for ideas to build super tight and modular factories
keen brook
but why doh
willow igloo
quick base expansion from the early game
yes if you're building a huge turbo motor factory you'd probably plan your goal production per minute and plan backward, building a huge base of iron and steel on the bottom
but the block design would let you throw quick and dirty block factories down, I can produce 40 iron plate/min in a 3x3, 60 screw/min in the same 3x3, and from those 2 blocks side by side I can make a small compact reinforced iron plate factory that feeds 1 machine
if I put the reinforced iron plate on top, I made a 3x6 (6 tall) factory that makes a small amount of reinforced iron plate in the early game
then when I need it for my modular frame I can either redesign a new factory or I can just throw a copy of the finished block combination together to feed what I need
yes it's not perfect ratios, but underclocking or just letting it over-fill will fix that
ember surge
would you guys like to see a control panel that would control all your buildings like you could put them on hold or stop productions all the way? this i think would be really efficient. what do you guys think?
willow igloo
depends on how you implement it, like a switch you could attach to a pole that your radio control panel could read and turn off/on
so I can easily fit 3 constructors and a smelter into a 3x3 block, which is why I do my smelting on site for the little micro factories, but you don't have to limit to 3x3 blocks, I just like the concept of it
also if you build it right, you just treat your micro factories as a 3x3x3 machine that does ore in, plates/rods/screws out
crude girder
I just want actually smart splitters :/
willow igloo
priority settings would be nice
output this way first, then this, then that
instead of having to make a cheesy overflow machine
also what I was talking about earlier
it's a 3x3 factory that makes 60 screws on the right, a 3x3 factory that makes 40 plates on the left, and then they have an assembler on top that eat up all the screws and 3/4 of the plate, so now you have a 3x6 2 story factory that makes reinfoced iron plate, early game cheap and if you need more than 5/min you can just build a 2nd and then a 3rd factory
or 5x6 1 story, adding 2 tiles for the assembler beside the 2 3x3 block factories
with more than enough space for a storage chest
Best part is that both of my ore inputs are in corners, so I rearranged the corners to be close together, allowing you to put in a mark 2 belt to feed both 3x3 blocks for this
only real concern I'm having with this idea is how micro should I build these? Seems like some factories would need to be 4x4 or 5x5 or some other funky size just for efficiency sake. Iron is pretty simple, in a 3x3 block I can do 60 ore into 40 plate, 15 ore into 60 screw, and 30 ore into 30 rod easily enough in that space. At what point would it be better to just have larger blocks for the sake of efficiency and easy building?
fallow lily
Basically as soon as you have the automatic concrete and iron plates to supply factory construction.
scarlet marsh
just depends how much you value efficiency and easy building
construction takes long enough as is - so i tend to go for quick to build designs that are efficient as well
weary path
@willow igloo there is also this guy https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/fiaxuy/filter_factory_floor_plan/
unborn ermine
Just wondering, is there an up to date list of item /sink point values kicking around?
I take that back, wiki seems alright for their list. Just did a quick value check with sink values over time.
unborn ermine
I was just having issues with peoples charts being based off of INITIAL point gains.
glacial hemlock
No need to calculate, just sink turbomotors. Just keep 5 turbomotor for each resource nodes on the map and sink the rest.
unborn ermine
@glacial hemlock Using the sink to check values for sub 100% efficiency production lines, just to be sure.
Sure you can just use the %s on the machines, but at least with the sink, you can check what comes off a line.
Its just a thing to do if you are delivering an item but just want to see whats up.
glacial hemlock
Prior to turbomotor nerf, at least 5 days for single 100% turbomotor manufacturer is required to unlock all the things. Now the points are nerfed 25 times.
400k vs 10mil
sly bronze
Hey how did it?
glacial hemlock
Neat.
willow igloo
That's pretty neat, reminds me of a power plant I visited once. The ground and mezzanine were packed with all the machinery, but the operating deck was just the generator sitting on a concrete floor. Very visually appealing
cedar mica
With power generators, so is it 250% consumtion to 200% power?
Just checking, for kickstarting/backup power
wind spade
roughly yeah
shadow rock
hi
storm ingot
I cannot wait to star building more modern factories. I do stand alone component plants, so will look cool with old town, then the advanced goods, etc.
And naturally, something will be out of place and frustrate me as I have to the spaghetti..
unborn ermine
Welp, If I ever want to decide to kill all uran/sulfur/bauxite nodes... I have a plan to follow ~~https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=nuclear-fuel-rod:94&t=turbo-motor:120&c=r:sulfur,cap,5340&c=r:uranium,cap,1800&c=r:raw-quartz,cap,10500&c=r:bauxite,cap,7800&c=r:caterium-ore,cap,11040&or&ar ~~
Oh wait I forgot to kill the sulfur completely, well... more for something anyways.
unborn ermine
I changed my mind, also... that moment you realize you have nothing better to do at all. 
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=nuclear-fuel-rod:94&t=turbo-motor:120&t=adaptive-control-unit:180&t=modular-engine:180&c=r:sulfur,cap,5340&c=r:uranium,cap,1800&c=r:raw-quartz,cap,10500&c=r:bauxite,cap,7800&c=r:caterium-ore,cap,11040&c=r:crude-oil,cap,7500&c=r:coal,cap,23880&c=r:iron-ore,cap,64080&c=r:copper-ore,cap,43860&or&ar
Only needs 50131.4 m³ water
Dang I forgot reactor water, 191,131.4m³ water to extract 638 pipes of water later...
Funny enough I actually think surface area of the water on the map might kill this?
Really depends on how the killzones/extractors/pumps workout. Definitely have the power ceiling to match it though.
turbid prism
i have a question, about how many power poles do i need to string 2 kilometers
serene abyss
max distance is 100m, so 20
turbid prism
thank you
serene abyss
if you build it on the ground where it twists and turns, you probably need more than 20
turbid prism
yeah im going like 2.2 km so im gonna do like 30
forest edge
Elaine360
unborn ermine
@scarlet marsh divide that number by 2.5
The calculator has a few faults like that, it uses 100% clock speed or lower.
upbeat tide
What do you fellas think?
Home made calc attempt that also models physical layout
glacial hemlock
Is a good start. Usually we try to go big, but you can just keep expand until you feel it is comfortable.
upbeat tide
Its stackable is the point
Also fits in a 4x3x10 space
And its gonna be big planning five towers each with two stacks and gonna make 20/min ocilators
Iron ingots and quartz crystal are prepared off site because im using the pure alrs for those
glacial hemlock
Oh.
upbeat tide
Ok is a term of indifference, neither posative nor negative........
glacial hemlock
Yes, it is hard to evaluate whether 20 oscillator/min is good or not. But i am sure 20 turbomotor/min is pretty satisfactory
vast copper
Hi folks, I was wondering if there's a calculator like greeny.dev available for update 3 already to optimize production?
sand garnet
greeny's is in the process of being updated but there are others
https://ficsit.info/embetterer pretty sure this one works
stiff halo
greeny's is in the process of being updated but there are others
@sand garnet hopefully soon because the ficsit website is not optimized and crashing every minute
sand garnet
@wind spade any very rough estimate on fully working calculator?
sand garnet
I dont use it so I dunno lel
wind spade
if it's "you can put numbers in and you get result, but maybe not in ideal UI", I'm hoping for this week(end)
if it's "it can do anything for me and it's so awesome OMG", then I'd say at least a month, at most a year
(or never)
sand garnet
basically that, having it work with a number and dealing with byproducts in the loop
wind spade
theoretically I have that working
practically I still need to resolve some bugs, issues and add some more displays
(only visualization is ready now)
wind spade
which one of the two jobs I have? 😄
oblique hollow
quit everything
wind spade
I don't have real life 😦
oblique hollow
Thats cause you already work for Ficsit
we are all corporate slaves
hail Ficsit
worthy siren
Greeny, just FicsIt
snow folio
is it possible to do a 1-10 balancer?
oblique hollow
its way too much work for what its worth
sand garnet
let the machines do the balancing for you
snow folio
im trying to balance compact coal for 10 refinaries
oblique hollow
a 1 to 10 balancer uses way too much space for its job
its not worth it
but knock yourself out
snow folio
i kinda just want to do for the sake of doing it
fierce ruin
why would you need a balancer for in this game? in factorio it's used to (un)load trains and depleting ore patches evenly
crude girder
When you can calculate your output and input easily, balancing is really just planning out how much resource is allocated to however many machines consuming it
fierce ruin
but with belt backing you don't need to 🤔
crude girder
That's what I meant, just manifold it
oblique hollow
the only downside with manifolds is they take time to fill up
fierce ruin
ok, yeah
crude girder
Which can be circumvented by inserting by hand
sand garnet
yeah but after a few minutes that problem is solved too
robust vessel
so, it's not possible to o/c nuke gens right now, right?
oblique hollow
you can try but good luck supplying them with more than 300m³/min of water
robust vessel
right
seems like that would indicate that higher-volume pipes are coming, at some point
"high pressure pipes" that run 600/m or something would be dope
even if they required more pumps, or something
oblique hollow
a pump than can force 600m3/min through the normal pipes
the High Velocity Pipeline Pump
I think someone mentioned something similar earlies. Has 2 ports and combines them in 1 pipe
robust vessel
hmm that would be interesting, too
ashen sleet
does anyone know when turbomotors show up in the AWESOME Shop?
Because that positive feedback loop of 8 coupons into a stack of turbomotors back into coupons seems like the best way to get those "must haves"
sand garnet
should be available directly I think?
limpid hamlet
They show up after you unlock the milestone
ashen sleet
Ah, so even later down the line? Thanks. May as well spend the tokens I have now then instead of holding onto them for motors
sand garnet
in that case it's tier 7
pine tangle
Turbo-Motor is Tier 7 Milestone. Not sure if it is relevant, but some unlocks for AWESOME shop are weird - for example, you cannot buy Heavy Modular Frames unless Manufacturer is unlocked (encountered it myself, yesterday).
pine tangle
But you can hand-build them. HMF themselves is much a earlier unlock.
vagrant knot
What would you recommend in it's place?
Oh nvm, didnt realize the conversation had jumped so far forward, disregard my last message
uncut pine
hello 🙂 i have 2 questions:
- Can i overclock a Waterpump?
- How many Coal Generators can i use with 1 Waterpump? (Maybe overclocked generators too)
thx!
sand garnet
- yes but it is a bad idea because it requires a lot more power than the OC percentage
- 1 coal gen uses 45 water at 100% and a water extractor produces 120 per min at 100%
uncut pine
so 1 pump = 2 generators
uncut pine
ahh thx for the image!
tidal timber
your paint skills need work @sand garnet 😄
sand garnet
Im an artist™️
sand garnet
because paint is good enough
and faster
it's about being able to get the message across, not about how that message looks
buoyant turtle
hold up did they just make fabric renewable
oblique hollow
yes
buoyant turtle
and what about biomass
oblique hollow
nope
buoyant turtle
its about the principle
sand garnet
if you're in biomass for that long, I think you have bigger issues lol
oblique hollow
1 building
unborn ermine
Solid bio for the chainsaw
Also some random crafting by hand if need be
By the time you "dont need" biomass, you most likely have sent all of your stores into crafting fabric for filters.
Though in the end you can also use it for a power replacement if need be later on (liquid biofuel) but its almost not worth it unless you are doing it for giggles/RP.
Also just a temp thing too, very hard to find a reason to do it.(at least from my view on it)
buoyant turtle
btw do you think it would be a good idea if they let you make a programmable splitter only split in a direction for overflow
to go into the awesome sink
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summer field
That's a good idea @sand garnet
sand garnet
Im full of good ideas
summer field
When is lead paint going to make a comeback?
unborn ermine
I hadn't used that site at all tbh
I very much disliked the way the search works/worked(?)
dont know if its any better now.
buoyant turtle
not like the current workplace environment is safe already am i right fellow osha violators?
astral lake
so on a pure oil node 1 power shard can that run 5 refine and 12 fuel gen no problem?
oblique hollow
Rekalty you know whats better? paris green arsen paint (sorry for the ping was autocorrected)
unborn ermine
Actually just looking at synthetic paints via google,
Resin+Fluid = Paint
and it isnt water based so either one of these two combos
Resin+Fuel or Resin+Heavy Oil-(for a complete use of waste unless you as the player turn heavy into fuel with alts)
marble charm
hello. this fuel stuff makes me a tiny bit confused. I have one Raf that makes Turbofuel 18.8 m3 per min. now im wondering how many fuel generators that amount can fuel
sand garnet
1 gen needs 4.5 turbofuel per min at 100%
unborn ermine
Take the burn time (4.5) and divide the value by that
Example, one pipe of 300m³ = 66.66~ gens
@marble charm
marble charm
ah thanks for the help
hoary niche
idk if anyone said that but you can buy paint in shop
unborn ermine
Defeats the point, its not entirely sustainable
Sure points gather forever, but the cost ALWAYS goes up
hoary niche
i think that this game need logic gates and stuff, cause i think it will be a big problem to use all stuff from oil nodes without using sinks
unborn ermine
the idea is similar to fabric alt recipe
(resin+water= fabric vs using limited mycelia)
hoary niche
i'd really like to make "if pipe is full unlock this ?path"
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cunning vector
Hey anybody have a link for an updated production calculator?
sand garnet
https://ficsit.info/embetterer this is recent
cunning vector
Thanks
unborn ermine
^ I like that one, just be careful as it has a bit of a learning curve, or as I like to say "issues to work around" 😛
junior yoke
How do you work with resource rates from trucks or trains? Miners and belts and even the new pipes/extractors and such have set rates that parts are produced and travel at, making it fairly easy to maximize efficiency. But how does that work when you're using automated vehicles with limited inventory space whose delivery rate is dependent on distance, and when tractors and trucks can get lost so easily? Is there a way to build for efficiency when using them at all?
sand garnet
have a test run, if the items are being underfed, add more.
you can also box them in with walls so they cannot miss the route or fall off somewhere
stark lichen
Measure the round trip time.
There is a table there to calculate how many trucks you need.
You can just check that the export truck station does not fill up, or that the import truck station does not empty.
If they do, you need more trucks
max_roundtrip_time = ( numslots * stacksize ) / min( input_items_per_minute, output_items_per_minute )
vagrant knot
Yeah just building pre-designated roads for them to travel on is a smart method of preventing their mis-use
clear citrus
For making reinforced iron plates from scratch from an iron node:
Is it better / more efficient to make screws for the normal recipe or wire using the iron wire alt and stiched plate alt
scarlet marsh
yeah go iron wire/stitched plate
unborn ermine
@junior yoke Better late than never 😄
This chart is Train station throughput vs item stacks/belt speeds.
Any longer than a specific train time, you upgrade the belt speed or else it starts starving production further along.
fierce ruin
Bug avec les échelles dans la v3 😏
vagrant knot
Hard Alpha Energy right there
glacial hemlock
@keen brook gratz for unlocking T5. Not steel anymore?
worthy lake
im not good with cars or physics but i know, taht this shouldnt be
lol 😂
and i mean both car wheels and the driver sitting under the car and undergruond xD
cedar mica
Whats the burn numbers for compact coal?
glacial hemlock
The burn number is infinity
But the burn time is 8.4seconds i think
That means the burn rate is 7.1428/min
buoyant turtle
here is my design for foundries
upbeat granite
Is there a benefit for taking one coal generator at 200% instead of teo at 100%? Or am i just waisting powersbails?
neat thunder
waisting
upbeat granite
Thx
buoyant turtle
doesnt really matter
you're gonna need both in the future anyway so might as well fully use one and have the other node free for other things
fervent fossil
The benefit is more power shards for other things, rather than for producing power
sand garnet
its always better to use power shards for miners and oil extractors first and foremost
buoyant turtle
oh wait i misread it
yes use your power shards for miners and extractors
not generators
sand garnet
not for water extractors btw
upbeat granite
Thx
teal bolt
how many fuel do use a nuclear power plant??
glacial hemlock
0.2
teal bolt
ah thx
steady dock
im producing 120 heat sinks p/m you guys it is enough or should it be MOAR
icy canopy
is it me or is the water consumption of cole powerplants incorrect
i use 3 water pumps for 9 cole powerplants
fallow lily
That's because you're not using them at 100% capacity.
icy canopy
what is your ratio?
fallow lily
3 to 8.
As long as you're not using more than 88% of your available power, you can get away with a 3 to 9 ratio, but you can't fully utilize the coal plants indefinitely.
fallow lily
Because you're not using your plants at 100% capacity.
If you ever run above about 88% for a prolonged period, you'll run out.
steady dock
well I need to start building my turbo motor factory
im just working up a bit, but im trying to put stuff down at max output from the nodes so that I won't need to go back to upgrade it later on
I just hate it to have to go to the same thing over and over again to change or upgrade it
vagrant knot
For Coal Power Generators I do a 3 Water Pumps to 1 pipe to 6 Generators, and then I tap the ends of the lines to eachother so if any overflow is somehow needed, which it shouldnt be, it can cover other parts of the same system
Have never touched my coal gens since setting them up aside from re-doing my coal distribution 2 times
keen brook
lol
cosmic junco
Hey, have a question about this Rotor setup from oldshavingfoam. This was pre-update 3, so the input and outputs have been changed since then, but I need help if anyone can help me rebalance this and adapt the layout to fit update 3's changes.
The constructors that make the screws have to be at 150% in order to produce 60 screws/min. As a result, I have to overclock them, rather than underclocking as the layout suggests. In addition to that, the iron rods will need to be changed since the constructors are using more than 36 rods/min.
Anyone available to offer their expertise? I'm not new, but when it comes to factory balancing I need some aid...
grim crater
Can someone back up my math here for Nuclear power? Using one Uranium node slugged out 600/m and Using all alt recipes I have 53 manufacturers making the Alt Nuclear Fuel units or .6 parts per minute, for a total of 31.8 Nuclear Fuel units per minute, 1 Fuel Rod is used every 5 minutes, so 31.8 multiplied by 5 is 159. Does that Mean I would need 159 Nuclear Power Plants to be at max efficiency? For a total of 397,500 MW?
stark lichen
@cosmic junco This is the most you can make with 120 belts if you keep the same layout. 4.8 rotors/min
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner/index/index/rotor/4.8/direction/RIGHT/maxBeltSpeed/120
upbeat granite
Ware pumps needed for long horizontal fluid transportation too?
stark lichen
The two screw constructors need to be overclocked to 150% each to make a full belt of 120. The single assembler must be overclocked to 120%. You need 54 rods totals, so the three rod constructors must be at 120% each.
sand garnet
@upbeat granite no
upbeat granite
Okay thx. Let's say my water extractor is at a height of 500m
If the pipe goes down to 250m will the water be raised to 510m again or do i have to use pumps then?
sand garnet
try it and find out
grim crater
Ive tried it and nope ya gotta raise the water again.
rancid lark
I tried a similar pipe test of about 50m down and back up and it worked. Wonder what was different other than the scale
weary path
You don't need pumps
If the source is higher it will work
As long as there is only pipes between points. No buildings or buffers.
vivid escarp
how much water does the nuclear power plant need?
empty hemlock
a full pipe per plant, 300/s
grim crater
oh christ, Im building 157 Nuclear plants... FML!!!
vivid escarp
and how many nuclear power plants can i fill with one source?
glacial hemlock
467.5 divided by 3
fallow lily
You need 2.5 water extractors for every nuclear reactor.
glossy fossil
does someone know how high trainstations are of the top of their heads?
summer field
I would tell you, but they're blocking my view when I place them like that.
glacial hemlock
Check wiki, not sure if all infos are there.
steady dock
when you finally find the sweet spot for your aluminum factory at 1560 bauxite output and it keeps running 100% feels good...
glacial hemlock
So how many alclads at the end?
pallid rune
Hello! Is there any good place which regroup all the good way to do an efficient factory?
glacial hemlock
An efficient factory:
A) Produces as much things as possible
B) Uses minimum raw materials. But not withstanding to a)
c) use minimum footprint
D) use minimum number of buildings and belt
e) causes minimal lag to PC
wind spade
optional and opinionated:
f) uses separated factories
g) doesn't overclock stuff, just underclocks to match ratios
h) uses manifolds instead of balancing
i) uses 1:1 ratios where possible to avoid even manifolds
glacial hemlock
F) and H) are linked to point D) because bus system or centralized system tends to disobey point D)
G) depends on power and slug availability. I) is a preference, but ultimately I) is linked to E) as well.
wind spade
[that's why I mentioned that it's optional and opinionated 🙂 ]
glacial hemlock
😄
wind spade
since the game offers no definition of "efficient" factory (apart from single machine efficiency that is super easy to reach 100%), we need to come up with our own definitions and they are not always the same
ultimately it's up to the player to define their own rules by which they quantify efficiency of a factory
crude girder
Think Imma try setting up outposts to build a certain product as compact as possible, then just truck it back to a centralised storage base
Kinda sick of my old style of sky-bridge-conveyor-pipes
glacial hemlock
Truck
scarlet marsh
i wonder what is the maximum amount of turbomotors that can be produced/min?
interesting question - that would be cool to see calculation of max amount of x item/min
willow igloo
Well you'd have major variables in this equation, which I'm too lazy to do. First how much raw resources in the world assuming mk3 miners and overclocking? Second what is the most efficient use of alt recipes to get the most turbo motors for your raw? Finally, how much do you want to make your CPU cry today?
Also there might be a hard cap on how much power you can make
Assuming your finished turbo motor build won't exceed that and your computer can crunch the numbers, you can build all the turbomotors and feed the hungry hungry ticket machine
unborn ermine
I tossed in all the max caps from nodes a while back to see how many fuel rods/turbos and the current space elevator parts you could.
https://ficsit.info/embetterer?t=nuclear-fuel-rod:94&t=turbo-motor:120&t=adaptive-control-unit:180&t=modular-engine:180&c=r:sulfur,cap,5340&c=r:uranium,cap,1800&c=r:raw-quartz,cap,10500&c=r:bauxite,cap,7800&c=r:caterium-ore,cap,11040&c=r:crude-oil,cap,7500&c=r:coal,cap,23880&c=r:iron-ore,cap,64080&c=r:copper-ore,cap,43860&or&ar @scarlet marsh remember? 😛
The calculator wants to break with just turbo motors though, so I couldnt just toss that in.
scarlet marsh
wouldnt pure copper be better than copper alloy?
unborn ermine
Dont look at me, its what the "optimized" results.
Im assuming it wants to tone down power usage?
scarlet marsh
also steel ingot recipe
i mean you get more copper out of pure ingot than the alloy
so im not sure thats optimized
ah okay
unborn ermine
Its using ALL the resources too, so it wants to do what it can.
scarlet marsh
is power really the limiting factor? that is surprising
you would think the resource nodes would be
unborn ermine
I think so?
I did my aluminum plant and it wanted to do certain parts a specific way, saving power.
scarlet marsh
thats a cool tool - did not realize it was determining the optimal production line
thought it was just a production planner
unborn ermine
then again though, with the "all resource dump" you only use a small chunk of what you would make with 94 friggin rods a minute.
scarlet marsh
it does not include power buildings though
so i dont think it is actually limiting it by power
i mean 94 rods per min i would think is much more power than to be limiting the resource inputs bc of power concerns
weary path
What's a manifold in this context?
crude girder
Splitter chain with no regards to ratios
As long as input matches total consumption, it'll all balance out in time
vivid escarp
Anyone have any idea how many fuel rods the nuclear power plant needs per minute ?
weary path
ah I like that
wind spade
0.2/min
vivid escarp
@wind spade 😄
tardy junco
A power generator, lets say fuel generator, uses fuel at a rate determined by consumption right?
sand garnet
yes
tardy junco
So if I had a fuel gen at 10% usage it would use fuel at 10% rate
dry mason
Yea the more power is has to put out the more fuel it uses
tardy junco
or is it not a 1:1 ratio
dry mason
max is 15 fuel a minute right Tom? Same as coal is 15 a minute at full power usage?
tardy junco
Happen to know the max consumption rate for a fully powersharded fuel gen using turbo fuel?
sand garnet
no, but more importantly, you shouldnt waste shards on power gens
tardy junco
I got 250 extra, with shards already in power
plus fuel gens are expensive to make, at least for my save currently
eternal seal
I don't get this. So new coal generators consume 1 coal / 4 second, thats 15 coal/min. But i have my mk 2 miner producing 240 coal / min, so in theory, it should be 100% efficiency at 16 coal generators, since 240/15 is 16. But no, this sht has a fck ton of coal and its not even near 100% efficiency. Am i calculating something wrong???
sand garnet
if you want to get the most bang for your buck, dont use shards
@eternal seal do you mean you dont have enough coal? or too much?
eternal seal
too much
sand garnet
right because of what we just discussed
if your factory doesnt require the full power that 16 coal gens can provide, they will only consume according to whatever amount of power they DO need to provide
fallow lily
If you're only at 50% load, for example, those 16 coal generators will only consume 120 coal/minute.
tardy junco
guess I should stress test my power setup and measure it
tardy junco
25%
eternal seal
this is running at 1/4 speed?
eternal seal
okay, got it. Thanks
fallow lily
Just remember that you need the full 240/minute to run those coal generators at 100%.
eternal seal
yeah, i'm keeping the 16
tardy junco
How many turbo fuel gens can be powered off 480 turbo fuel a min?