You may run out of heavy fuel converting rubber to plastic.
#math-and-meta
unborn ermine
I know im debating to do the math and see if you can even use waste(heavy residue turbo alt) to power some of if not a good chunk of production.
fallow lily
Oh, you can.
Especially with plastic production, you have quite a bit of fuel left over.
snow folio
i have all alternate recipes and i don't know if the standard recipe is better or the turbo heavy fuel
wind spade
@fallow lily for the recycle process, I think there's a nice balance in both cases, since there are like 8 recipes that are relevant and I think it's just about finding the perfect balance spot
quick gorge
Finding the perfect balance, the perfect path and the perfect layout.
Because the power of 100% effective is something Fiscit would be proud of.
So Green I guess you're doing all this on a spreadsheet and not in game?
wind spade
again - would need to install the game 😄
quick gorge
(assuming multiplayer doesn't shit on us)
oblique hollow
Being on a server doing testing with you guys would be fun
buuut for that multiplayer is currently.... not gud
wind spade
also you still need to do the math for the perfect ratio for recycle method anyway
quick gorge
I have a couple days off so I can host a lot of the time
wind spade
and I'd need to reboot pc to windows and delete stuff from drive 😄
quick gorge
WELL where better to do science then in game?
I didn't like theory work in EDU anyway.. always loved just doing the thing.
Yes I liked making things go boom
wind spade
and also need free time for the game
oblique hollow
i honestly think a 100% efficient setup for fuel gens is not really possible. since some of the power has to be used by the oil extractor and refineries anyway
quick gorge
Hmmm Do either of you want me to make a lab?
oblique hollow
the best i can estimate after my testing is.... around 85%
wind spade
@oblique hollow not talking about fuel, talking about plastic and rubber
quick gorge
^
oblique hollow
oh well, that i could test
wind spade
@quick gorge sorry, I just don't see that happening, don't have enough free time for SF 😦
snow folio
whats the burn time on turbo fuel?
oblique hollow
isnt that dependent on power usage
quick gorge
The alt recipes of recycing rubber into plastic and vice versa so you wouldn't be making either directly...
snow folio
@oblique hollow yes but in coal gens it shows it has a 4sec burn time
quick gorge
Does it ever last 4 seconds?
snow folio
dont really know, havent messed around with coal gens for a while
quick gorge
So does anyone want me to make oil lab on my game?
snow folio
if you think you can get close to 100% go for it
quick gorge
Idk, I meant for other's to come do science in a world that already have everything unlocked
Because as Greeny said he doesn't have a world, not even installed the game
No idea where Galleon is in tech
oblique hollow
i havent unlocked nuclear or other stuff yet, so i would definitely use that
quick gorge
I do have nuclear but I'm not using it, I still haven't really set up my main factory.
My current goal is to get a ton of Alucad to make sure all my belts at mk5s
My power isn't even using any fuel
It's all being powered by geo right now
wind spade
I do have a world
it's pre-U2 tho, last touched in May 2019
I think I'm before automated computers there
or maybe with automated computers
quick gorge
looks at turbomotors
willow igloo
working on tier 1-2 automation and I glance at turbomotor requirements... "The factory must grow"
I'm in tier 3 research so I could get coal, but I had to handcraft a ton of rotors to do it, finally getting around to making a clean organized and expandable factory
quick gorge
I see you're a man of culture...
willow igloo
I'm a factorio player, Lately I've had to remind myself that I can build upward
quick gorge
I can tell ^_^
I've gotten used to the whole going up bit
willow igloo
I was going to make a bus, then I saw how many different items there were in the game and was like "nah, that's a lot of unnecessary belts
now I'm going with a method of building individual factories for each step of the way, with production lines staying straight. I can either expand to the side for more lines or upward for a new level. When I get a faster belt, I just make the lines longer and upgrade belts. Then I branch the outputs accordingly
stackable conveyors is a godsend
quick gorge
You'll get used to you 🙂
hazy fossil
is there a way to have certain generators used before others (ie using fuel geneators before nuclear so HOR doesnt get backed up)
quick gorge
Sadly... no
fallow lily
The only one that's prioritized is geothermal.
quick gorge
Always cap all geo before nuclear
hazy fossil
how much power can u get from geothermal on the map?
fallow lily
3.4 GW.
hazy fossil
so, one free reactor
fallow lily
I'd really like to be able to set geothermal generators to always consume at maximum rate.
fervent fossil
Thank you @wind spade for the breakdown in the coal power.
west cove
Can be Geo overclocked in exp?
west cove
Soo just basic 17 x 200 ?
wind spade
yea
quick gorge
Overclocking geo wouldn't make any sense, also no
sharp thistle
so what do you guys think on liquids? Train, pipe, or package?
Packaging liquids seems dreadfully slow
fallow lily
Bring resources to the fluid source.
sharp thistle
so belt wherever possible
drowsy pivot
Yep
fallow lily
If by that you mean, "belt things that aren't packaged fluids to where you're producing fluids", then yes.
sharp thistle
I mean for plastics/rubber, for example - things that use only oil
fallow lily
Sure, transport plastic and rubber elsewhere.
But use crude oil and heavy oil residue on site.
storm ingot
Rymos, we did have a chat on the train tanks vs packaging.
So a train station can have up to two pipes per station which means 600m3/m for a 500m3 car meaning you will need a sub 50second turnaround on delivery or more than one train. If you ran two cars, we estimated it would in terms of power be more efficient than pipes if you had a 100m or more rise.
Larger distances could run two trains. If you ran one pipe per station, that would let you do a 100s turnaround per car.
Packaging does take more time and you would need to set up a system to not accidentally lock the line with empty bins, but it would volumetrically offer a much larger volumetric efficiency with the train over the straight liquid cars, though not sure the time of packaging or power requirements off top of my head.
if you have a large elevation change and don't have the room or tech for a complex train network, than packaging can probably end up being better. Particularily in tall factory buildings.
storm ingot
wow... 5 per minute.... so you are talking 60 per pipeline in a refinery?
upbeat tide
The only bit of packaging I dont like is its not easy to get rid of the empty cans unless I miss something
storm ingot
Well for that I would have a buffer transit system.
What that means is that the production of containers is separate from the line that uses them, so you can use a tractor or something to deposit into the line. That way if line is full, no more can be added, which theoretically should keep it a closed cycle
upbeat tide
I do want to can fuel for the explorer, couple trucks, and obv jetpack
storm ingot
The other option is you can manually deposit it so it always has a buffer space.
But personally I would run the canisters in a closed cycle so they leave from their usage to return to where it was filled.
snow folio
how many fuel generators can 18.3m3 of turbo fuel feed?
fallow lily
Per minute?
snow folio
yeah
snow folio
18,8per min i mean
fallow lily
Same answer.
snow folio
so im guessing that just means each fuel generator uses 6m3 per min of turbo fuel
storm ingot
well, 4.something m3 per minute
upbeat tide
How many coal gens can a steady supply of 300 compacted coal support?
I know reg coal is 15/min but dunno for compact
snow folio
compact coal is 25coal and 25 sulphur
storm ingot
I really don't like those liquid recipes for fuel. That is a serious power hungry system to use a refinery for.
fallow lily
4.5 turbo fuel per minute.
glacial hemlock
@wind spade you could dilute the heavy oil to get packaged fuel, not sure if that plays a role in the fuel-plastic-rubber loop.
wind spade
yeah, I know about that, I haven't considered it yet tho, as it already has too many branches
glacial hemlock
This recipe flips the heavy to fuel ratio, but also take way more power
hard rune
How big should I build my iron smeltor?
wind spade
depends on how many iron ingots you need 🙂
hard rune
how many am I going to need?
I would like to build it big enough to supply me for the rest of the game
wind spade
well again, that depends on what your endgame production looks like
glacial hemlock
Before t3, you should aim at 12 running iron smelters, and 2 running copper.
wind spade
me personally I build dedicated smelting per product
so I just build more when I need more
glacial hemlock
At t4, aim at 6 running foundries
hard rune
oh, rn I have 27 smelters doing 3 full t3 belts
glacial hemlock
At t6, aim at 27 iron smelters
hard rune
270ppm belts
glacial hemlock
Random numbers took from my suboptimized playthrough
hard rune
a set of 9 smelters does a perfict 1:1 270 belt
glacial hemlock
I build on 3 normal iron nodes
wind spade
every person here would give you their numbers, but there's literally no way of telling which of these numbers are "correct", because there's no "correct"
so I'd just figure out what my production is going to be like and use that
quick gorge
Technically wrong...
hard rune
the max you can do is max miner w/boost
quick gorge
But if you want the correct answer you'd be crazy to look for it.
glacial hemlock
It depends on the balance you seek on expansion vs automation. If you expand on 1 item too much, you lose the opportunity to build other stuff, and vise versa
hard rune
in my end game, I want to be able to fully utilize every node with full boost
quick gorge
Go with what you want, use what you have, once you have every node on the map... that's only the beginning.
wind spade
well... good luck with that, both to you and your computer. Especially since you want to utilize everything, I would start with building small and expand later
quick gorge
You'd then need to utilize all the alt recipes to find the best combination and get the most effective design, layout and plan.
glacial hemlock
Go for 100turbomotors per min.lol
quick gorge
But even if you do that, this would assume your computer doesn't start to melt first.
The game maybe getting more optimized as we go but still, every node, alt recipes, it's a tall order.
quick gorge
I do bid you good luck.
Because once you calculate that you'd still have to supply power and that subtracts from the throughput of the rest of the factory thus lowering many numbers.
Power balance will be fun in that part of the game, the end end game
wind spade
yeah, still... Start building small, build smelters for 1 full belt and utilize that first.
quick gorge
Start small, you will need it.
wind spade
after you have no more ingots, build more smelters
don't build endgame setups when you are not at endgame yet
last fable
honestly the game would need smaller challenge maps where you have an order (500 xy production per min) with limited ressources (looking at modding support, go wild guys - end of modding)
hard rune
rn I have a 270 line of compacted coal fueling 25 coal generators, all boosted to 145% to take 60 water
and I have the built in capacity to run at 600ppm of compacted coal
just have to shift some belts around
last fable
and yeah, usually expand when you have a new big ressource unlocked, e.g. with a friend before update 3 we had a big MF production and then thought of upping to HMF, while we did kinda build it we decided to abandon the prior build and go big aiming for 10ish HMF and Superccomputer and calculate that one through (was fun^^)
hard rune
I think the hardest part is lining up all of your distant buildings
you have to build miles and miles of foundations just to get on the same grid as something else
last fable
or you close off your distant build as one factory, then set up transportation elsewhere and just accept their grids not being aligned since they're "miles and miles" away from each other
wind spade
or not line up distant buildings at all, because that gives you almost no benefit
hard rune
the reason why I line everything up is because Iv essentially have a sky bridge that is going to be crossing the entire map to make a central resource line
its the build I wanna do lmao
wind spade
uhhh, skybridges 🤢
hard rune
it looks good if you do it right
and with the new cosmetic stuff added you can make it look smexy
wind spade
it's not about looking good
just... why do you need to build in the air, when you can build on the ground 😄
hard rune
its a challenge
silent sigil
sky bridge is the fastest way to travel on map. like this guy did it. https://youtu.be/xfk6AOCmzT4
wind spade
how is skybridge faster than traveling on the ground
you need to go up vertical, then travel the same distance and then go down again.
no way that's faster than a normal path
hard rune
normal path you are always moving up down left and right
wind spade
"always"? sometimes
hard rune
sky bridge is a ramp up, straight line, ramp down. and if placed right its the exact length you need it to be
wind spade
but only connects two points
on ground, you can go wherever you want
as well as not needing anything to set up but a chainsaw
silent sigil
good luck dodging all obstacles and dealing with the hassle of toxic clouds.
wind spade
idk, you can't convince me to do skybridges lol
hard rune
woah I just realized the cost for a double 8mx8m ramp is only 5 not 6 concreate
wind spade
@silent sigil yeah, because they cover 99% of the map /s
silent sigil
hard rune
silent sigil
this is from the yt link i posted. you can climb down off the skybridge whenever u want. u use belts to travel. use a parachute.
really fastest way
wind spade
yeah, you can't convince me to do this. it's inefficient compared to roads that are diagonal
hard rune
my main mode of transport is going to be decending hyper tubes
you go stupidly fast going down
silent sigil
also that. 👆
hard rune
its sprinting speed going straight up in tubes too so its one of the fastest straight virtical ways too
wind spade
why have hyper tubes to go up/down, when you can have hypertubes instead of skybridges 🤔
hard rune
?
silent sigil
you need your hyper tube to have a big descent. so hypertube + skybridge is the end game combo imo.
wind spade
you don't need tube to have descent
hard rune
you go up in the hyper tube, get to the top, go down in a hyper tube to gain stupid speed and then ride that hyper tube to whatever point you need
wind spade
@hard rune that's not skybridge then
silent sigil
to travel big distance you do i think.
wind spade
no you don't
definition of "need" is "required"
you can travel long distances even without any descent
silent sigil
i didnt use them so don't quote me... :P
hard rune
you but its only as fast as the explorer buggy
lament saffron
Is it more efficient to have one overclocked assembler or two assemblers?
fallow lily
Depends on your measurement of efficiency.
silent sigil
space efficient or power efficient?
fallow lily
The first is more space efficient, the second is more power efficient.
sharp thistle
So what's the opinion on screws? I think it's overall more efficient to try to use alt recipes to go around screws, myself
wind spade
with U3 and new alts, it's no longer that bad
you can still get rid of screws, but there are decent (and sometimes better) recipes that use screws
sharp thistle
yeah, I'm looking at bolted iron plates
it just kills me for 1 assembler to use 250 screws a minute
sullen cloud
oooof. greeny starts to appreciate screws. a day to remember
hard rune
Im using casted screw alt rn
sharp thistle
I was considering moving to stitched because mass prod of wires isn't really that bad, given that it frees up screws and allows you to make more steel
silent sigil
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f7x9s6/fast_trip_to_refineries/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
@wind spade this method i mean with the hyper tube + sky bridge.
sharp thistle
but I'm also taking my solo playthrough slower, maybe my viewpoints will change when I'm not bottlenecked by mk3 belts
silent sigil
tell me your ground roads are faster and more convenient.
hard rune
yes that tube slide
wind spade
I could easily just build hypertube on the ground and it will be faster
sharp thistle
My idea atm is to move away from screws wherever possible, convert that into steel and use steel alts instead
wind spade
because you need to consider the time it takes to get up there to the platform as well
sharp thistle
and build time isn't instant either, skybridges are time consuming
hard rune
a level hyper tube only travels as fast as sprinting blade runners
wind spade
^
sharp thistle
yea but you can go afk while you're in a long tube can't you? 😛
hard rune
same with the virtical tube
wind spade
also, you can easily add speed bump
hard rune
just dont have it dump you out, continue the tube and you have a fast ride
wind spade
also what you posted is hardly a skybridge
there's 0 stuff on that video that is a skybridge
sharp thistle
skybridges are skybridges when they're taller than the tallest landmark you could traverse, imo
silent sigil
you can build jump pads to get high fast..
wind spade
whoa, jump pads? and you want it to be faster? lol
that's like 30 seconds just getting up there
sharp thistle
My skybridge from the desert to the southeast oil was like 1.5km or 2km tall
hard rune
this is going to be my higher level factory
sharp thistle
building that thing was awful
wind spade
separated factories ftw
silent sigil
the squares from the picture i posted from the video is the skybridge.
sharp thistle
yeah, I've been actually making T1 products and bars locally whenever possible, then shipping them to a T2 factory
planning on shipping things to a T3 factory from there
wind spade
making 1 final product per factory *
sharp thistle
it doesn't make much sense to me to smelt bars at a central location when it takes 5 minutes to build a small smelter platform that maximizes that node
fallow lily
It makes more sense if you have the water using recipes.
wind spade
water is almost everywhere tho
sharp thistle
yes, but then you'd just move the resources to the water source
piping liquids long distance is horrible, it took me hours to move 1500m^3 of oil up 2km of skybridge
then I had to fuckin troubleshoot it because it wasn't working properly
hard rune
Im going to have a factory for processing each resource
going up with pipes, you need a pump at every 10(maybe 20?) meters of altitude
wind spade
I have each factory making 1 product from local nodes and ship that final product to a storage
sharp thistle
yeah, one thing I was considering is just using a main bus strategy instead
it works in factorio
well, for a time
fallow lily
Moving fluids any significant distance seems like a bad idea to me.
sharp thistle
You think so? you can pull like 1400ish plates/minute from an industrial storage with mk5 belts though
hard rune
moving fluids down hill over a distance is no problem
sharp thistle
is that not enough to facilitate a main bus strategy?
hard rune
just know that all the pipe you use is acting like storage
carmine hearth
1400...? thought Mk5 belts were 780
wind spade
why do you want main bus, when you can have dedicated expandable factories without any belt limitations?
sharp thistle
\shrug/ 2 780 belts, there you go
fallow lily
I'd rather process the fluids on site and turn it into solid products before transporting it.
carmine hearth
oh, industrial storage... my bad
sharp thistle
yeah, greeny does have a point
hard rune
Im planing on using trains for my main fluid transport
sharp thistle
now, the real question with dedicated expandable factories is resource allocation, something I'm struggling with
wind spade
example: I want HMFs, so I find a place, where is a lot of iron and some coal and concrete, build a factory there, then ship HMFs to final storage
sharp thistle
how many reinforced plates do I need? etc
wind spade
the beauty is that you can start small and expand later
fallow lily
Start with a higher end product and work back.
wind spade
you don't have to with dedicated factories
because every factory produces it's own RIPs
fallow lily
Heavy modular frames and turbo motors are good end goals to work towards.
wind spade
so the only RIPs that you want to produce are those used for construction
fallow lily
Between them they touch on just about every product you'd want to make.
carmine hearth
I'm still working out the math for alu...
wind spade
@fallow lily if you are talking about the dedicated factories idea, then that's not how it works 🙂
fallow lily
Ah, but the way I'd do it is to start with the end products, then build satellite factories that feed into a main factory.
wind spade
yeah, I don't chain factories
fallow lily
Process local resources down into something more easily transported, then ship those.
sharp thistle
do you use a resource highway/trains, then? with dedicated facs
wind spade
reasons:
- harder to expand production (you need to expand multiple places and possibly also the transportation)
- harder to keep track what went wrong, why is something not producing enough, etc.
fallow lily
Highway? Probably not? More like a sprawling network.
wind spade
trains / belts to main storage, yeah (or store them where they are made, up to your preference)
usually like a star from central hub/storage
carmine hearth
I like the idea of processing in local factories. Just looking at iron plates we are talking a 1.5 increase in belt bandwidth with out the alt.
fallow lily
Hub and spokes.
wind spade
4-5 trains for each of main direction
and then transfer station for local nodes/factories
fallow lily
But we'll see how it goes once I seriously start messing with trains.
gleaming ermine
For my current save I've been trying to slingshot myself through research as quickly as possible, to build better factories once I have trains, etc. How is 14h for getting to oil processing?
strange hawk
anyone help pls, i have an input of 60/min and i have 2 machines that need 24/min, i need the remaining 12/min to go to a storage container. I cant use a manifold because 1 machine will fill but the other one will only receive 18/min. How do i make it so both of them run at 100%?
wind spade
well, that's nice, but still... manifolds ftw 😄
fervent fossil
Agree manifolds all the way!!!
So just on Turbo Motor factory Greeny, you think a mega factory is best?? Would you pull in raw ore or ingots???
unborn ermine
Manifolds and those for case use
hard rune
what is a manifold?
unborn ermine
dump it all on one line, and the system fills. Machines eventually become 100%ish eff
hard rune
overflow method?
wind spade
--S--S--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | | | |
X X X X X X X
Yes another word for it
hard rune
oh
wind spade
yeah, but majority calls it manifold from what I've seen, so it's better to use that term imo
hard rune
lmao coming here, thats the first time Iv ever seen that term
Iv always seen it everywhere else as overflow
wind spade
@fervent fossil I guess yeah, idk. Maybe like a two part factory could be a thing there, but it's a bit special case
@hard rune considering that term is super descriptive, I'd say to use it even if it wasn't used by majority
hard rune
how do you set up a smelter array with the overflow method
wind spade
literally as the ASCII art above 😄 S = splitter, X = smelter
hard rune
but what about when you reach your belt limits
wind spade
another manifold
hard rune
like 9x smelters does 1 t3 belt
you litterally just have to belt over another line and hook it up to 9 more smelters?
wind spade
yeah, ideally somewhere else, because you'd eventually want to expand the first line to 780 belts by adding more machines
hard rune
rn I have my smelters all set up in a line that is consuming 3 t3 belts of iore
with the way its all lined up I should just be able to rebelt, rotate 3 splitters and then have 3*270 running on one line
than I can mirror it if I need the extra expantion later
wind spade
that's more than 780 tho
wind spade
yeah 780 is max belt
hard rune
is their no t6 belt or higher?
wind spade
no
quick gorge
Also greeny I have a shitty version of that that cycled system for rubber and plastic
gleaming ermine
Huh. Never heard there was a term for that setup
As someone with 150 hours in factorio I just started naturally doing it in satisfactory
First game where I got to tier 7 (before update 3) I had 5ish 10-20 story vertical factories exclusively using manifold designs for literally everything
cunning night
I was REALLY hoping they'd add a 1200 belt in Update 3.
still can't get the best out of those lovely mk3 miners.
oblique hollow
Ive done it
Ive created an actual overflow splitter
Sure, it has a 6 second delay and the overflow output is about 120/min, but
It works
The trick is that there is a "Timer" made of about 30 pieces of plastic that loop around
wind spade
I've created 100% overflow splitter without any delay or issues with almost unlimited throughput tho
oblique hollow
Ive done this on my own without looking anything up so im pretty proud of it too
wind spade
but has other requirements and restrictions 🙂
oblique hollow
Buuut the throughput is limited, sure
Id say: yours is for higher tier, mine is a low tier workaround
wind spade
I don't claim mine is better, but it's the only method to make 100% unrestricted overflow split afaik
for lower tier you can also do with chain of splitters imo
oblique hollow
Ah right, so then we found the mid tier one. Splitter-chain, Timer-Overflow and finally Train Overflow
In a way yours is also timed since the train loops around 
wind spade
timed in what sense?
oblique hollow
Well, trains take time to travel and load/unload, dont they?
wind spade
load and unload is instant afaik
oblique hollow
But you still have 12 seconds of delay per station
wind spade
and with just a small track, there's no way even 2xmk5 belts can fill the station faster than the train will get rid of it
oblique hollow
For the animations
last fable
de facto instant (just a short stop animation)
final reef
Ok I need some help here guys, due to a cold my brain ain’t workin.
I have a pure iron node with a mk2 miner and mk3 belts.with the option to overclock.
I am looking to know how many smelters at 45/min to constructors making plates, rods and screws (alt recipie) and possible iron wire too. Thoughts?
strange hawk
pure is 120, mk2 miner 240 but mk3 belt is only 270
6 smelters if you overclock to 270 per miner
final reef
Normal is 120, pure is 240
strange hawk
ye i mean a pure mk1 is 120 but mk2 240 so overclock it to 270 because of belt
you can get 6 smelters outta that
final reef
6 smelters running at what? 100% or 150%
strange hawk
270/45 = 6
final reef
Ok
hard rune
What important recipes require raw ore? like any ones late game?
upbeat tide
Solid steel, the pure ingot refining, wet concrete
My thoughts if I got the right idea of what u mean
fallow lily
Those aren't what I'd think of when I think of "late game" recipes.
They're basically better ways to make early game materials.
glacial hemlock
Turbo rigor motor. Late game.
fallow lily
That doesn't use raw ores.
glacial hemlock
Uranium or somgthing. Maybe the pallets? Didn't remember
cunning vector
anyone know how many smart plating I can make with 180 iron per min?
upbeat tide
Dont know the math but I doubt many
pastel flax
For the item overflow, would be possible with tractor/truck, 2 overlapping stations, 1 load, 1 unload, and then a separated unload station for the sink.
wind spade
also, possible with just two stations
pastel flax
I think u might have linked the wrong thing greeny, else I'm not finding the comment in question
wind spade
oh ffs
@pastel flax sorry no idea why wrong link did get copied https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f75ao6/how_to_make_100_overflow_splitter_simple_method/
you can also just do it with two stations, when you use both input and output on the platforms
pastel flax
yeah thats the thread I saw, was saying you could do it earlier with tractors instead of trains
wind spade
sure, but trains function better and you can do multiple item types per train
pastel flax
take way more space though
wind spade
in the end you save space compared to 1 truck station per item
because you can just use 1 train for all items
pastel flax
truck (un)load stations output to belt first before loading items into a vehicle right?
wind spade
stations / platforms behave in a same way as storage containers
they just load / unload items when vehicle arrives as a bonus
pastel flax
damn, was gonna say if they prioritize the belt out before loading vehicle, then could build two opposing stations with an inert tractor/truck affected by both
Wouldn't even need to fuel the damn thing.
upbeat tide
How does packaging fuel work? For trucks n such? Do cans disappear after used/ inseeted?
wind spade
if you use packaged fuel for vehicles, the canisters dissapear
you can also unpackage it tho
upbeat tide
I heard you had to recycle canisters or they stack up, so just unsure best ways
wind spade
@pastel flax they prioritize belts over vehicles 🤔
pastel flax
evil grin
wind spade
when you unpackage, you'll get the canister back
you can either sink it or use it for packaging again
upbeat tide
Aah ok so a loop works? Good to know
wind spade
see the link above
you can also do it with two stations only
the first station having both input and output connected (output goes to storage)
second station is for sink
storm ingot
canisters? Just cycle them back to where they are filled
upbeat tide
Anyway, moving along. Found the turboful alt that uses heavy sludge. Is it better?
Also whats the turbo use rate in fuel gens?
wind spade
60 * [generator power] / [turbofuel energy] (result is in items per minute)
(fyi turbofuel energy is 2000 MJ)
urban drum
what is the best way to split 1 into 9 lines
urban drum
Thanks!
upbeat tide
Remember the buildings at the end of the line will take a while to get rolling fully. They wait on the first to get max capacity. Then the next, and next, eventually whole line is good
urban drum
Gotcha thanks.
wind spade
you can try to balance it out if you want to, but this setup is easier to build for almost any number of machines and you can easily expand it later when you upgrade belts 🙂 also works wonders with underclocked machines or machines of a different speed
upbeat tide
For example my heavy frames factory uses 360 steel ingots
270 are sent into pipes and 90 to beams ( using steel screws)
The ingots go in through one input line and constructors are on both sides
urban drum
ahh thanks alot
i was asking because i have 3 lines of 270 iron ore being split
sorry 5 lines
upbeat tide
Match them to your hest tech, sounds like mk3? And dont go more than your belts can handle
urban drum
yea they are mark 3 belts and mk2 miners
grave thicket
@hard rune question is, why on the pic the 20% & 80% aren't the same, and one is more complicated 🤔
same for 40% & 60%
hard rune
@grave thicket the 80% abd 20% are the exact same, the 20% just has another merger on the far right
hard rune
splitters and mergers are just like math functions
that split by 2 or 3, and add by 1, 2, 3
or something like that
grave thicket
sigh
gilded trench
idk if its math or what, im guessing it is, can i set belts and splters so that it would only storage excess resources away from the workstations?
if i put like
---S---S---S ----S----C
| | |
W W W
C - container
S - splitter
W-any crafting station
vernal shard
If your Workstations still get enough supplies then yeah
pale jetty
It is math; splitter is division by 1 / 2 /3 and merger is addition of 2 or 3 belts (or 1 if you want to add 0 to it)
gilded trench
the thing im wondering, is it gonna starve my last workstation or nah
vernal shard
Depends on your incoming parts per minute
Its really just math.. like vanstorm explained
pale jetty
try this tool @gilded trench
https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill
vernal shard
Oh hey
pale jetty
just put your amount of machines in there, the items / min that you put in and the consumption rate of each machine
hi ^^
gilded trench
aight imma check, thanks man
strange hawk
Using overclock i need 135/min when 100% is 120 but when i use slider i get like 135.6/min any way to get it to 135?
tough eagle
@gilded trench in your illustration, the last splitter does nothing. You could split off both sides of it and connect them to a merger at the beginning of the chain to greatly reduce the number of items going to storage
gilded trench
yep ur right, thanks
tough eagle
And you can do the same split/merge combo multiple times to keep reducing it by 1/3
strange hawk
@pale jetty just made a post on reddit because i found a way on how to do it https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f8rvkm/fyi_you_can_type_the_output_rate_you_want_while/
pale jetty
for me it always jumped back when i tried to put the output of my MK3 miner to 780 IPM
glacial hemlock
crude = 1
plastic = .9375
rubber = 1.21875
fuel = 1.21875
resin = .375
heavy = .5625 (conv resin to rubber)
heavy = .75 (sink all resin)
residuel fuel = .84375/1.125 (gain)
diluted fuel = .421875/.5625 (gain++)
extra canisters --> sink
recycled rubber = .4786342 (gain++)
recycled plastic = .4737221 (gain++)
residual plastic = 1.125 (loss)
residual rubber = .75 (small gain)
empty canister = 1.421
@wind spade I am thinking how to present this in a diagram form.
upbeat tide
Is there a table that shows the energy produced for different fuels? Coal, compacted, fuel, turbo, coke, etc?
glacial hemlock
someone can verify this? (water is not part of the loop so water inputs are not indicated)
the default recipe only converts oil to plastic with 0.666 ratio which is very poor.
glacial hemlock
if I use polymer resin, will the conversion ratio be higher? if yes, then at which step?
cedar mica
Cruid oil can be made to polymer resin and heavy oil
glacial hemlock
the first step in the above is the heavy oil.
cedar mica
60/m to 130/m resin and 20/m heavy
glacial hemlock
iirc resin converts to plastic with a poor ratio
glacial hemlock
ok, so, with that, will it be higher than 1:2.4479?
I mean, my current plan might work out as 1 crude oil into 2.4479 plastic
cedar mica
Yes, but you are using a lot of extra power
glacial hemlock
the default recipe, is already 60 crude oil into 40 plastics, with some heavy oil to burn.
is using crazy amount of extra power hahaha
cedar mica
The alt halfs the amount of Heavy oil, you need to deal with
For rubber its even better 20/m resin to 10/m rubber
glacial hemlock
ok, get it. So you are not targeting the highest conversion ratio...
cedar mica
Just use the fuel in the fuel gens and you need to spend less cruid oil on that
Plus you might break even on power, that way
somber otter
is there a production planner for update 3 available or one that allows you to edit the input and output rates?
fallow lily
They're being worked on.
cloud root
Are there any updated calculators for the experimental branch of rebalanced production of items, and or is there a spreadsheet of all the changed recipes?
Oh nvm guy above asked same question p-much
Atleast any spreadsheets?
cloud root
Ooh it’s updated. Tyvm
sand garnet
calculator isnt updated yet though
covert tendon
gonna take a while for that one
cloud root
I prefer to writing/drawing than online calculator
sand garnet
then.. why did you ask for a calculator?
tough eagle
I did everything manually before but with the changes to alts, it's a LOT less obvious what's better given your current resources. Itll be interesting to play with the calculators when they're ready
sand garnet
there's mostly 'different' instead of 'better' now with alts
covert tendon
bi products will be interesting
tough eagle
There'll still be clear winners based on what's available. And even now, a few are clearly far superior
covert tendon
ive never found the graph portion on calculators to be super helpful
since they come in a big jumbled mess
tough eagle
Yea, I just want a table output really so I can see the recipes used and quantities
covert tendon
just tell me how many buildings i need
or the max i can make in the end with 2 pures
wind spade
there are some that are better
but there are some that are nicely balanced alternative
fallow lily
And at least one that is downright awful.
tough eagle
A few are useless. A few like Turbomotors and one of the HMF alts seem like no brainers to use though
sand garnet
how is turbomotors useless
tough eagle
I said the opposite
fallow lily
It’s a no brainer, not useless.
sand garnet
oh lol
fallow lily
Rubber concrete is my favorite to pick on.
tough eagle
Another favorite is the steel ingots using iron ingots instead of ore
Trading a lot more output for a little space and power with the extra step
The Silica alt is really bad
And then there are coal alts from wood and biomass that are completely useless
cloud root
@sand garnet lol i asked for a calculator so I can grab the new alt recipes from there if there was no item sheet
wind spade
@cloud root you don't need a calculator for that https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/
(oh, it has been linked already, sorry)
cloud root
🤙 it’s coo
upbeat tide
How efficient is this?
Computers 2.5/min
Raw input
115 copper ingot
60 steel ingot
30 rubber
135 plastic
Using:
Normal computer
Normal circuit board
Steel screw
Insulated cable
Only chose insulated cable so I have a reason to use rubber
fallow lily
Insulated cables is another one I don’t think much of.
upbeat tide
its bad yes, but since I havent really touched quarts properly yet, and I want to burn some rubber
im in the grassy plains, quartz isnt that close
carmine thicket
im trying to figure out the math to see how many smelters i need making iron ingots for each foundry making alt steel.....not sure how to go about that
upbeat tide
Which alt steel?
upbeat tide
How much coal can you bring in at once?
carmine thicket
480 per min
upbeat tide
Aah mk4?
upbeat tide
Then you want 16 smelters for iron
upbeat tide
Just build them in a row dont botther splitting
carmine thicket
but it takes 3 iron ingots to make 1
i tried using 3 smelters per foundry and it was a bit too much, suppose i could under clock
err i mean 2 iron ingot to make 1 lol
upbeat tide
Your over complicating it. Just put the 480 iron ingots onto one line and feed all foundries from one line. It will work just fine in the end
You will need 12 foundaries
ill show you what I mean in a sec
carmine thicket
yea thats where i was going....right now i put 8 smelter outputs into 1 belt and its almost full
fierce ruin
manifold for all your problems
upbeat tide
8 smelters should only do 240 iron ingots output
fierce ruin
like, its not even worth underclocking, cuz you anyways merge them into a line and have a flow
carmine thicket
im sorry i meant 16 lol
i got 16 smelters going to 1 belt and there is still a gap every like 10 ingot or so
rofl guess ill deal with it
how did you figure out i need 12 though?
upbeat tide
thats how I have mine setup, thats a 240 input line though
and smelters are fed into one line
upbeat tide
yup, it wont appear that way at first but once machines start to max out internal capacity the rest will too until full
upbeat tide
that smelting setup does one job, feeds heavy frame needs 😄
carmine thicket
i got heavy frames automated, im just making a huge area for basic things like steel parts, etc right next to my train station cause im about to try to automate the space elevator parts for tier 7.
man wish i had known i could feed machines all in one line like that
i got some massive production lines just cause of the way i split belts
spahgetto
upbeat tide
Yea its called overflow method. Just build the line to what your belts and miners pump
At least its good looking spaghetti
carmine thicket
aww thanks 🙂
upbeat tide
Used to do similar splitting in U2 for oil stuff
wind spade
it's called manifold
upbeat tide
👍
gilded trench
if im making 40 fluid m3 per minute and 30 parts per minute, why are my 3 fuel gens consuming each 30m3 per minute and still functioning?
upbeat tide
basiclly it looks like this
coal ----- | S ---|- S
iron -- S -|-|--S | - |
F F
hope my crude illustration helps
upbeat tide
np
cedar mica
So whats the number on turbo fuel to fuel gens?
@gilded trench You are probably not using 100% of there power, so all 3 gets fuel
carmine lake
@gilded trench generators (except geothermal) only produce as much power to meet consumption
short swift
Which stage is geothermal? 7/8?
short swift
Ah so it's still hidden in the mam behind the ribbon cable
crimson geyser
Can somebody tell me how liquid counting works ? Cuz I have 10 coal powerplants each consume about 50m3/min I have it on pipe which have maximal pressure 300m3/min and all of it supply two water pumps which one creating about 120m3/min in that case I am confused all powerplants should consume about 500m3/min so how it's possible that two pumps and pipe can handle it there must be something wrong
gleaming ermine
The generators are probably not operating at full capacity
meager spear
Power production (and therefore power resource consumption) only scales to the power demand. So if you're making 1000 MW but only using 600, your generators will only run at 60% and thus only use 60% of the total water and coal
So if you stay the way you are, and increase your power consumption, you will run out of power
crimson geyser
I don't think so I had it on power maximum and it still keep up
gleaming ermine
"power maximum" would be 999/1000 MW
meager spear
Also due to internal storage it would keep up for a bit, until the storage is empty then it would fail to pull enough
crimson geyser
Like not that much but there was like 20MW reserve not more
rancid lark
the pipes also act as a buffer so if you have a long run it might seem to be keeping up for a while
crimson geyser
Idk I should try some tests or I bugged it somehow 
meager spear
Oh true, yeah, the pipes and belts increase said internal buffer letting you work outside your means for a short time
meager spear
Just plop down a couple big machines and let them run for 5-10 minutes, you should feel the pain within that time
gleaming ermine
And I roughly estimate that it takes 1.3x running capacity to restart the system
crimson geyser
Ye I'll try to make some tests if it work by the numbers
gleaming ermine
So 1.2x what you need and a power surge REALLY hurts
meager spear
If you isolate the water pumps (and the fuel source) from the rest of your system, then restarting is easy
gleaming ermine
Isolating things in general helps and I don't do it enough yet
summer field
Sadly you cannot do priority powering, or have logic power network, so you usually have to cut the water extractor power poles/wires so you're only powering them, to restart it.
crimson geyser
At least power switches will be pretty handy
gleaming ermine
Logic networks would be nice
And that's coming from someone who admittedly never used them in 150hrs of factorio
daring slate
I miss priority splitters from factorio
Having logic reading accumulator charge for power prio would be neat too
tough eagle
I just disconnect the nearest large power drain, throw the switch, then reconnect it. Most of my production areas have one power pole I can disconnect to cut them off
And I'll leave one process disconnected till I can expand power
I havent ever had to go back to the power area to start it back up
cedar mica
Turbo fuel is ether 22.5 or 37.5 a minute, while input is 40/m. How I'm suppose to make those numbers work with a 300 limit?
37.5 x8 is 300, but can I split fluid that consistent?
harsh fractal
Splitting into 8ths is just splitting flows in half 3 times. Or you can manifold and it will hit that eventually
iron cypress
its verry EZ to bottleneck since it will only consume the amount of fuel needed giving the power draw. whitch mostly always fluctuates
cedar mica
The numbers are funky, as there always seems to be some uneven ness
iron cypress
what u could do is figure out a way to sipp away the overspill and let that run a few fuel plants that consume more. just to get clean. it will fluctuate the power from time to time but if its build as extra its all fine
cedar mica
My issue atm is getting the 40/m into 300/m pipes, with minimal mess
cedar mica
9x 300 is 2700, which works out to 72x 37.5
Guess I will give up that 180 left over capacity, to make things simple
patent bough
nothing needs to divide evenly; just underclock to match.
sand garnet
I cannot trust that in-depth analysis anymore now on reddit
steel rotor is a great alt for the motor production line
cedar mica
The analysis, looks at each recipe in a vacum
sand garnet
yeah but you cannot look at this stuff in a vacuum
the whole point of doing a new analysis is because recipes are more interdependent than ever
pale jetty
i agree that some recipes only make sense in combination, still I appreciate the effort done there
wind spade
@gilded quarry did the analysis "in a vacuum" because it's super hard to analyse every path to every recipe, when you have 69 of them + with the oil shenanigans you have going on. I haven't read all of it (and haven't done the math either) but he did and his analysis as well as the sheets and calculations are included and seem legit
pale jetty
also greeny's typing intensifies
wind spade
I guess combinations of recipes will be more possible with proper tools... looks at those lazy tool devs that do nothing and let people suffer in dark
sand garnet
garbage tool devs 😛
wind spade
yeah I'd fire them
sand garnet
I demand a refund
pale jetty
@wind spade if you release it now, then i'd teach you how to cook pasta properly
wind spade
alright, I can release everything I have right now immediatelly to test branch
done
😄
sharp thistle
been trying to make every t2 product in 1 base - (assembler items) and it gets so messy, really thinking dedicated factories make more sense
pale jetty
i used to split my planned productions into dedicated factories
really helps in the long run
wind spade
where's my pasta tutorial
pale jetty
well if you want stuff clean
sharp thistle
I'm thinking that it would just be flat up cleaner to have a train highway where all goods are shipped to, and factories are along said highway making their goods, and move those goods further up the highway, all the way to supercomputers/etc
pale jetty
@wind spade my maestra says you cook them so much that they are still a bit hard on the outside, then into a bowl, pesto on top and on the plates with that.
I'm thinking that it would just be flat up cleaner to have a train highway where all goods are shipped to, and factories are along said highway making their goods, and move those goods further up the highway, all the way to supercomputers/etc
@sharp thistle that's up to you, i got basically 4 trains bringing stuff to my base. but dedicated buildings/sections in there
gilded quarry
@sand garnet I'm curious why you like steel rotors so much? It's VERY unproductive, even if you have steel pipes using the solid steel ingot. So even NOT in a vacuum it's still pretty bad. The issue is the wire, actually, moreso than the steel.
I could maybe see upgrading it to a C because it DOES mean that they match stators in terms of ingredients, but it's not that hard to make regular rotors in the first place, so I'm not dying to make the ingredients match.
strange hawk
@wind spade could you share that train overflow thing with me?
cursive raft
Need some high iq for elevating liquids. so the pump says it gives 20m elevation but im trying to get it running a the full 300m3 flow rate. right now, there is no setup in which i can achieve this that ive found with an oil extractor pushing 300. is there a way to actually achieve this? ive tried with 2 pumps and best i can get is 200 at the floor im sending it to
gilded quarry
you may need a pump farther back? I've been able to get oil going at 300/m
You also may need a pump more than exactly every 20m
cursive raft
its only going up 20 meters
so put it at the end of the elevation?
or start? middle?
gilded quarry
Yep. Think of them as pushing
cursive raft
so ive tried at the start of the elevation, top of the elevation, and at both
wind spade
gilded quarry
So put all your oil into one pipe around your oil extractors and have a pump right there. and then from there, pumps every 18m or so
cursive raft
none of them gave me more than 200 at the floor 20m higher than the extractors
strange hawk
Thank ya
cursive raft
im live right now if somebody wants to come look at what ive got and tell me where im screwing it up
gilded quarry
maybe try two pumps
one at the bottom and one closer to the top but not at the top
and see how that goes?
cursive raft
yea, didnt work with 2 pumps
strange hawk
When pipes are full flow rate will drop if the 300 isn't fully getting used
unborn ermine
I learnt earlier about headlift a bit, @cursive raft is there a buffer at the top? Headlift takes the fluid ahead of the pump into factor, 100m³ = 1 headlift
cursive raft
im feeding it into a buffer
thats how im testing the flow rate
i cant break the 200ish rate
strange hawk
You can just see flow rate on a pipe without a buffed
unborn ermine
I have been playing since update and FINALLY found that out an hour ago 😛
strange hawk
@unborn ermine pipes and pumps are so complicated and there's like no documentary by CSS on how they work
unborn ermine
Theres at least 2 diagrams floating around that have the info
carmine lake
water goes in, water goes out, you can't explain that
unborn ermine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572784151439081472/680295381078507540/pumps.png This one and another, maybe 2?
cursive raft
ok well i think i just found out why, the extractors arent even pushing 300 even though it says the target is 300
so why is my 3 slug extractor not hitting its 300 production?
unborn ermine
Where is it at? I know I somehow got a slugged extractor to work after some fiddling up by the quartz nodes in the dune desert.
(theres a cheeky hole for a collectable and a pool of water)
cursive raft
ok just checked... on the same level with no elevation, my extractor hits its target
but as soon as i go up 20 meters... it loses around 120 even with pumps on it
strange hawk
Thanks Babroth I saw another one a week ago but that didn't contain as much info
unborn ermine
Np, glad to help
strange hawk
Uwu
unborn ermine
Oh and I found this other one via my history.
strange hawk
Ye that was the one
cursive raft
ok, seemed to figure it out now. i didnt think to put one on the horizontal side before the bend upward
then i had to re-adjust where the one on the upward pipe was at as well.
thanks for the graphic
pale jetty
additional tip: put a pump before and after your liquid storage to limit the flow into one direction. The pumps don't have to be powered there.
wind spade
unpowered pumps still function as a non-return valves?
harsh fractal
Yes
wind spade
interesting
harsh fractal
I found this out when I lost power
patent bough
has anyone tried packaging excess fluids to send them into resource sinks
i just had the idea but haven't looked at properly balancing it yet
wind spade
the issue is that you need to produce plastic for empty canisters as well
patent bough
theoretically you can just use your excess fluids but if any one part of the line backs up the effect cascades
wind spade
so you probably need to overflow canisters into a sink
which is too much hassle imo, usually you can convert fluids to solids that can be sinked
fallow lily
I wonder if that applies to water in the aluminum chain and sulfuric acid in the uranium chain.
patent bough
water at least has multiple potential uses. sulfuric acid apparently is only used for uranium, with a fraction leftover as byproduct. i was thinking you could, after production started, feed the byproduct acid back into the original input and reduce the production rate thereof, but i haven't tried it yet.
fallow lily
You'd have to be very careful with that.
patent bough
yeah
fallow lily
The feedback loop could easily stall itself.
patent bough
fallback solution is to treat as waste, make several large containers, and periodically flush them.
fallow lily
I'm sorry, but that sounded like managing the system by hand.
Surely you wouldn't want to do that in a game about automation. ;)
cedar mica
Fuel burns 15m3, turbo fuel is 2.2 times longer burning? So its 6.8m3 per gen a minute?
patent bough
well if you feed it back into production along with overflow you shouldn't have to flush often.
fallow lily
that's still managing it by hand.
patent bough
no worse than managing nuclear waste
fallow lily
And I want nothing to do with nuclear waste's need for storage expansion, so that's not a good comparison. ;)
patent bough
anyhow this is regarding sulfuric acid in particular.
since it can't be converted to a solid
wind spade
@cedar mica turbofuel burns at a rate of 4.5m3 per minute
cedar mica
4.5m3, thats quite the improvement over normal fuel
Guess my 1680m3 turbo fuel, might be a bit bigger then I thought. 373 fuel gens...
Then again, 56GW should last me till nuclear is up and running
upbeat tide
Whats the burn rate of petro coke in coal gens? Tried to put some into a coal gen and it said 2.5secs, coreect? Seems a bit fast
unborn ermine
It says its inefficient in its description
fallow lily
Petroleum coke is interesting...
It has more energy per stack than coal, and is better for energy production than fuel derived from heavy oil residue.
wind spade
@upbeat tide it's 2.4 sec per coke
upbeat tide
Well, for now its supplementing steel production, can get another 400 ingots from my come supply atm
And as I am not up to alu yet it works
lavish pollen
How do you guys manage to boost Your oil extractor but still can have a 300m3 flow rate? Any signs of pipeline MK2?
summer field
Dunno about Mk2 pipes.
upbeat tide
I have only had normal oil nodes and those max at 150m3 at 250%
lavish pollen
Because at this point overclocking Oil extractor does do much..
I have pures.. need 450 from each.. Can only move 300
upbeat tide
My oil is in the southeast corner, those 6 normals
Next will be the 4 pures to the west above the giant waterfall in the south
hardy pendant
is there a production calculator that works with episode 3? im checking pins and looking through reddit and I cant find any
unborn ermine
Yeah im turning the 4 nodes south of the dune desert into 3 lines of 300m³(plastic/rubber/steel) then gunna divvy out the others for whats needed.
upbeat tide
My 6 normals produce 3 full lines
Plastic
Rubber
Coke > into steel
Resin > more plastic
Fuel > direct to gens
Have something like 35 refineries atm
unborn ermine
I still have to sit down and math out what I want to do, had to build and rebuild this factory friggin 3 times! 😂
I finally have a plan and understand pipes and flow
upbeat tide
10 for plastic
10 for rubber
5 for coke
5 for residual plastic
5 for fuel
And eventually 5 more once I get turbofuel there
Need compacted coal down there. Not easy as sulfur is like 2km away in that corner
unborn ermine
If I have extra heavy from the coke demand, thats going to make turbo
upbeat tide
Yea id gladly use heavy turbo but I have coke being made into steel soo elsewhere for that
And im not in the mood to sacrafice 400 steel ingots a min atm
unborn ermine
Yeah thats why I need to sit down and do the math, if I can figure out what I want out of this factory im gold for the others.
I find with this game its a ton of overthinking for me
upbeat tide
Yup. Thats what other oil nodes are good for too
Over thinking? I have no idea what your talkin about
Thats a computer factory tower in a 4x3x17 box
unborn ermine
Ive been running around building and rebuilding, almost all the needed drives and ive still yet to ACTUALLY make a computer setup(though I have like 2 steps and im good)
Pods spoil me with computers, I had gathered more than 250
upbeat tide
Nice
This uses a few alts too
Standard computer
Standard circuit board
Insulated cable (an excuse to use rubber finally)
Steel screw
unborn ermine
iirc im using a refinery setup by the northern deserts quartz, that and cheap silica are making circuitboards and oscillators, just need my rubber and im pretty set for computers.
The 300/min from each makes 420 silica and crystals/min
upbeat tide
Yea side effect of the south grassy plains , quartz is like 3km away
unborn ermine
I was miffed when I found out the closest one was in the gassy mountains
shy mason
yeah, grass land is just too far from anything late game, at least they added in a few ponds for coal generators now
upbeat tide
I just use the giant waterfall for water
unborn ermine
Im staying clear of the top of that, god only knows what horrors they might put on there
tough eagle
3 to 8
gusty kettle
i have a buffer and it isnt leaking. still staying full
unborn ermine
3/8/120 iirc
tough eagle
That will only hold true if you dont use near max capacity
unborn ermine
thats what geo-is there for
gusty kettle
im not over clocking or underclocking
tough eagle
Right. It's 3 to 8 at 100%
gusty kettle
idk how to explain it but it looks like we can do much better than a 3/8
tough eagle
You definitely cant. It's been well established by now. You just think that because you arent near 100% usage. I'd guess you're below 50% of capacity right now
gusty kettle
yeah i think im missing somthing here
unborn ermine
The gens scale for usage, max power draws water harder
tough eagle
So if you're at 50% of your capacity, it consumes water half as fast
I calculated that you'll start draining the water around 54% usage. That's not good
tough eagle
So you can reach about 400 before it starts emptying the water
gusty kettle
i understand now, so the more my factory pulls power, the harder those generators are going to have to work because the coal plant is using more water with each burn of coal
tough eagle
Yep
tough eagle
Also, with 3 to 8, know that it requires 2 pipes
gusty kettle
combine the pipes before distribution to the coal plant?
tough eagle
3 extractors = 3x120=360, but a pipe can only hold 300
So you combine 2, put it in one end then run the 3rd to the other end
gusty kettle
okay yeah i think ive seen that before
tough eagle
There are a bunch of ways you can do it but that's the easiest to explain
gusty kettle
sure sure combine it, then halve it
tough eagle
The main point is don't exceed 300 at any segment of pipe or its lost water
storm ingot
It actually is water lost, not just say reduced output/less power draw?
I would probs do the simple way. Underclock to... what is it... 83.4 should bring each down to 100?
upbeat tide
crete recipie breakdown
- rubber> assembler> 15MW> 50Lime, 20 rubber > 45 crete
- silica > assembler > 15MW > 12.5 silica , 30 lime > 25 crete
- wet > refinery > 50MW > 120 lime , 50m3 water > 80 crete
- standard > constructor > 4MW > 45 lime > 15 crete
standard vs wet, 5.5x constructors vs 1x refinery, standard wins on power, but loses on space
rubber and silica sem useless unless you got lots of silica or rubber
ramblings, comparisons of concrete recipies
storm ingot
Well, it depends on your rate of production and if you need more of something. Rubber concrete could be quite handy if you start gettinga rea high demand for it.
glacial hemlock
analyzed plastic production with power consumption. It is 16.927MW (alts) vs 7.343MW (original) for 2.4479 plastics/min
most power goes to packaging.
sand garnet
@gilded quarry regarding why i like steel rotors: because rotors are not the end product for them, motors are. Motors require stators and rotors and the steel rotor alt drops that whole production chain down to 2 items to be made for both stators and rotors
It severely simplifies the chain so while it may be less efficient in a vacuum, in the bigger picture it is REALLY good
Its much easier to expand a setup with 2 items than 4
swift panther
Oh tom
gleaming ermine
Semi random thought: in theory I actually prefer ugly recipes which complicate things
Clean division makes it too easy to boringly manifold everything to maximum production, and manifold away bottlenecks, rather than developing interesting logistic solutions
sand garnet
@swift panther hm?
swift panther
Ohhhhhhh tom
sand garnet
ok then.
swift panther
Glad we got that sorted
stone orbit
Yea tonester stop bugging tom for no reason
strange hawk
stop bullying Tom
sullen cloud
@glacial hemlock that's an interesting analysis. however, you could also integrate canisters as well. because they also require plastic
fallow lily
@storm ingot Are you ever short on concrete?
fierce ruin
are the numbers for the inputs linear when you underclock?
fallow lily
For the inputs, yes. Power consumption, no.
fierce ruin
i dont care about the power
need 52 manufactors and i build 54 because it looks bether, now i just want to underclock it to 98% to have the same resource needs and wasnt sure if it will work
glacial hemlock
@sullen cloud canisters can be cycled. In fact extra canisters are generated are needed to be sink via a overflow system.
plush bough
the splitter need a split only if overflow function =(
quick gorge
That comes under the programmable splitter rework :l
glacial hemlock
There are 99% and 100% overflow 'splitters' setup that actually works
strange hawk
greenys one is pretty good
plush bough
i need a real overflow function on a splitter, i have some sort of automated storage for handcrafting, there are containers where i throw in everything and it sorts it to single containers, sometime everything gets stuck because one storage is full =(
fallow lily
Chained splitters and mergers are the closest equivalent right now.
quick gorge
I'm just saying what should happen because programmable splitters are just bad right now.
I've said it would be a good idea to move the functions of the programmable splitter over to the smart splitter and have the programmable splitter be, well programmable with multiple settings like Overflow, ratios (both for individual item types or all item types), regulator... that being if you send 5 X to the left you're not allowed to send another X to the left until you send 2 Y to the left, repeat until you make, idk a super computer.
With all this functionally I could see them being used in a REAL factory setting, right now I cannot see them in a real factory setting working very well.
plush bough
^this
quick gorge
With all this you could have one finely tuned belt that carries the correct ratios of items to perfectly make any item, with no risk of it backing up, unless you program it wrong, but that's because you fucked it up, the splitter did what you told it to do.
This would bring a new layer of complex design to the game where factories could get insanely complex using minimum belts but still outputting maximum effort 100% of the item.
glacial hemlock
The name and the visual look is pretty good. The current function is meh. Haha.
quick gorge
And I for one would love to use this splitter in my builds.
The only reason I ever use the programmable splitter now is for a manual input from exploring, sort slugs, collectables(spheres, sloops) to the left, all ore, leafs, wood, other bio crap to the right, everything else to next filter.
The slugs go though smart splitters to get crafted into shards and the collectables get put in a chest to never been seen again, shards gets put in another chest that's actually in the factory, leafs, biocrap gets processed bla bla bla...
So again, no real use in a real factory.
I mean suuuure you could try use programmable and smarts to filter to do what I've stated above in the current game but I would never JUST in case a supply drops due to power outage and then everything backs up and I have to break all the belts and replace to fix it.
Big no from me
fallow lily
Ooh.
quick gorge
Could someone put that on the QA site? I'm too lazy to... and I'm playing Minecraft...
fallow lily
Supplying manufacturers off of one belt line would save so much space.
plush bough
with the overflow function you could throw in wood leaves etc. and if one of them is full it automatically sends them to the constructor to make biofuel
i know, i could throw everything to the contructor, but i want to save some wood etc for other things
quick gorge
Yeah just let your minds run wild with how much you could do with that programmable splitter
fallow lily
Programmable merger.
quick gorge
With their powers combine.. sweet christ
sharp crow
those splitters could also be used as logic gates in a turing machine
so far i don't think satisfactory's turing complete, even with the new pipes
quick gorge
They can be used for so many things and I will hold out for this functionality to be in the game... Where I can make a smart factory.
storm ingot
perhaps they dont want smart factories so they can keep the challenge going...
quick gorge
A whole new challenge and you'd need to think about how to set up all of them.
fallow lily
I mean, balancing factories is already a challenge.
Programming the splitters and mergers so that you can put materials onto one belt just adds to that.
quick gorge
Never mind balancing with ratios in mind 😛
fallow lily
Because if you get it wrong, you can gum the entire system up.
With normal splitters and mergers, as long as you don’t put the wrong product on the belt, things won’t break.
quick gorge
And has stated above you'd need to cut off the end, drain the belt of the mess and delete a bunch of belts to clean up
fallow lily
They may not run optimally, but you won’t break everything.
quick gorge
If you're playing this game as it is right now with multiple items on a belt you're taking a reallly risking way of playing, if you keep on item on a belt then you're safe, zero risk.
The thing is if you want better risk/reward... if you want that you'd want these better splitters to allow you to have a reasonable risk without things outside of your control fucking it up.. You would have control over your system, if it fucks up it's your fault.
If power goes out, it won't break, if you're redoing you're wiring and you cut power to a part of your base it won't break with this new splitter but right now as it stands, doing that will result in it getting fucked and that is annoying over the reward you get just because you wanted to clean up messy wires.
Right now logistics in the game are lacking.
With this splitter it would add a new dimension to logistics and Jesus my brain can't comprehend what people would do.
I could see people making computers much like Minecraft's redstone wizardry as a prime example...
glacial hemlock
to prevent stuck, just use sinks.
I am testing my prototype recycle-recycled plastics at 30 crude/min or 73.4 plastic/min. I will let it run for an hour or so and see if anything stuck.
strange hawk
Pls use foundations :)
glacial hemlock
Lol, it is just a prototype at 10% of potential of 1 oil node.
wind spade
Nah, stuff is cooler without foundations
quick gorge
OCD intensifies
cedar basin
flame greeny for not using foundations
wind spade
why lol
glacial hemlock
1 hour in, didn't stuck at all.
limber isle
hey guys 🙂 anyone got a good setup for oil ?
manic bronze
how much oil and what do you want out of it?
glacial hemlock
Which oil product you want? Tubofuel? Plastic?
glacial hemlock
Use recycle for both recipe. Use overflow splitters/mergers to handle feedback
manic bronze
Using just straight base recpipes you should be able to get 2 refineries for plastics and 1 refinery for rubber with a normal node, use the rest for fuel to power yojur factory
oblique hollow
New patch, well, guess i need to do some new testing
manic bronze
yeah @limber isle after checking the math, you should be able to get 45 plastic/min out of 2 100% refineries, and then 30 rubber per min out of 1 100% refiniery
this will put a normal node at 75% output, so stick the rest into a fuel refinery and power that factory
limber isle
yea but i havent got the fuel generators yet.. i guess i use some coupons for the computers :b ty guys
manic bronze
not enough to get all the machines at 100% tho, so if you want to max out the other 25% with rubber and plastic, youll need some over/underclocking
thick pike
is there an additional Monorail Cart for Liquids? or does it load Liquids on the Tier6 one?
wind spade
use normal freight car
fading ember
I have aluminium production usage of water is 100 production 99.6 and it is stuck full of water
shy mason
they have liquid storage trains that are meant to store 500m^3, still doesn't compare to just packaging them.
And yeah i can say the single belt with smart splitters bus is not worth it. It's good for recipes that call for intermediate products where you need less than 10 of an item per minute (so motors, super computers, and space elevator parts), but anything more than that with too many items for your bus and it gets convoluted, though a programable splitter with the new sink does help with keeping it from backing up now. Main issue with the bus is still guaranteeing your bus delivers enough items quick enough to your machines.
wind spade
also it can deadlock pretty fast
shy mason
yeah, i had a manifold of smart splitters and industrial storage containers to keep a buffer of each item, and it took until the storage was full to stop entire system, setting the central splitter from any undefined to * helped start up again, then used the sink to clear it for a bit.
also matters which item you have first / last in your merging, as those in the back are fighting for 1/2 the next mergers closer to end of the merge bus. not that big of an issue for splitter end.
yeah take away is i'll make one for space elevator parts and higher end inputs only from now on, not worth using one for intermediate ones like stators and resource heavy HMFs and regular computers (crystal alt would be fine).
robust vessel
hey greeny is your site updated for U3 yet?
wind spade
just the item browser https://update3.satisfactory.greeny.dev/
wind spade
me too
shy mason
is it mainly the new refinement byproducts giving you problems coding wise?
fierce ruin
is it possible to make a splitter/merger setup so that 99,9% of the belt goes out and only when this belt is full the other belt gets resources?
shy mason
empty industrial storage container is closest you can get to that, the first output you connect has priority over the other for the 1st item added to it, though it may not act that way for others apparently.
wind spade
@fierce ruin it's possible even to 100%
@shy mason that's true, the priority changes at random and it's not reliable
fierce ruin
i just run into the problem that my production for plastic and rubber stopped because its not longer needed from any factory, but im using the coke byproduct for my alcald alluminium sheets, now this also dont produce anymore. so i want to overflow split the rubber and plastic so that this refinerys produce all the time and i have enough coke
@wind spade do you have a setup for example?
wind spade
this is my 100% setup https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f75ao6/how_to_make_100_overflow_splitter_simple_method/
this is the 99.something% setup https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/f589r7/compact_overflow_solution/
fierce ruin
i also found yours with google but didnt want to use trains, though its really simple
shy mason
I'll use the overflow station idea, looks like an easy way to keep all colonies at full production wise while still having a full container stockpile and full overflow awesome points accumulation, just need to be steady in tier 6 production
wind spade
also even easier way is with two stations
you use both input and output of first station, output goes to storage
and then you just have second station as sink
fierce ruin
looking in the second one with the 99,9% its really nice for me, gonna use that.
shy mason
just need to get to tier 6 on my restart then, been enjoying building colonies with only mk 1 miners for now instead of rebuilding every belt tier upgrade.
fierce ruin
thanks @wind spade
oblique hollow
oooh overflow splitters?
This is the best ive been able to compress the Cycling Overflow Splitter down to. 4 foundations. Remember this one? @wind spade
actually if you leave out the long belt on the left.... mine is even compacter than the 99% one
fierce ruin
this splitter setup does exactly that for me what i need, thats a big gamechanger
dry mason
not sure if this is right but its a maths question: if i have 80 screws/m but i need 60 to one place and 20 to another I split it from 80 to 40 then to 20 then add one of the 20s back to the 40 to be 60 right? then i have one belt at 60 screws/m and one at 20 screws/m?
dry mason
so if the machine needs 60 per/m but im sending 80per/m wont it just fill up then halt the belts but if i split it to 40 it wont have enough parts/m
wind spade
but the other machine that needs 20 and is sent 40 will overfill and block the belt, so that the 60 machine will get all its parts
dry mason
i get it, so the 60p/m will be slow until the 20p/m is full then it will be at full effect
gleaming ermine
Sorry to sidetrack but this last bit of conversation very much reminds me of this song: https://youtu.be/UIKGV2cTgqA
tall stratus
How can i effectively split 1440 water from 6 to 8 pipes?
dry mason
if my maths is right: take 1 pipe split it into 2 then split those pipes into 2 that should be 4 then split the 4 ends into 2 that should be your 8 pipes altogether with equal pressure
wind spade
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tall stratus
So i can theoretically just connect all together with junctions to even out the flow?
wind spade
if they are all full, I'd do the system I showed
tall stratus
They're not quite full. 240 * 6 pipes to 180 * 8
wind spade
why do you need 8 pipes out anyway?
dry mason
you could do one long pipe along the front of what ever you need water for then add in junctions in front of each machine that would have the same affect
strange hawk
Anyone have a diagram for 1 to 5 splitter?
fierce ruin
@strange hawk
sharp crow
if, for some reason, you actually need a one to five balancer, you can make one by splitting one evenly into six and looping one back to the start with a merger
but there are very few cases i can think of where you would actually need one
fierce ruin
oh i misunderstood
sharp crow
you can just use a manifold for production lines
the buildings closer to the start of the manifold will get a higher flow of items, but eventually they'll fill up and stop taking more than their fair share
sharp crow
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unborn locust
Is there a formula to calculate tractor transportation amount per minutes ?
weary ravine
😂
Quite a few times now that I tab into this channel and see some weird stuff and my first thought is "Great someone doing ASCII spam"
Only to actually look at it and see that it is just Satisfactory setups
strange hawk
@fierce ruin thanks
sand garnet
The internet has ruined us, Front1er
wind spade
there's never been any ascii art here other than SF setups
pale jetty
Is there a formula to calculate tractor transportation amount per minutes ?
@unborn locust yes. Measure the roundtrip time and then do: amount of items / roundtrip time (and maybe reduce that value in your calculation a bit for safety reasons)
sharp crow
it's actually the same formula as belts, if you calculate a belt's inventory as it's max item capacity
although there's no reason to do that lol
pale jetty
Well belts give us their performance already 😂
But yeah you could do the same v=s/t.
shy mason
Unless you overlap or make multiple station pick ups/drop offs or unload/load the items yourself, the bottleneck will still be the tier of belts going in/out of the station
carmine lake
truck can only go as fast as the slowest belt in its chain
shy mason
Trains help by having two inputs/outputs per train car, so the effective belt speed of trains is mk 4/5 belt speed times 2 times the number of cars on the train
pale jetty
The question was about how to calculate IPM of the tractor though.
Depending on the distance the tractor is the slowest „belt“
carmine lake
tru
warm wren
Am I looking at it wrong or does Coke Steel seem like a bad deal. If you're using smelters for iron and then going to solid steel ingots, you're using slightly more iron ore if you use coke steel, but if you're doing foundry iron ingots to solid steel, you're using a lot less iron, but then you're using copper. So I'm not sure.
There's also the consideration of the fact that coke is an oil by product, and whatever you're making (plastic/rubber) has to flow non stop in order to make sure the coke keeps coming
upbeat tide
^^ thats the only reason im usin coke steel atm to keep it flowing
But once I get compacted coal doen there that stops and heavy turbofuel begins
steady lily
You can use a programmable splitter and have 99% into storage and 1% to a sink so when it overflows it just goes into the sink
stark lichen
So if I make plastic, should the heavy residue be turned to fuel for power, and the overflow to coke for more power?