#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 425

wind spade Oct 9, 2019, 1:00 PM

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ok, now you are just trying to troll 😄

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you know I'm at least partialy right 😄

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anyway, gl with that, just a slight miscalculation or game lag and you don't have that anymore 😄

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I'm not really sure about that

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so you can automate the insertion of the resources

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which you can already make use of

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nope

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there is 9 inputs

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I beleive it has 3 sides with 3 inputs each

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mby I'm wrong, not sure about that

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currently you only need to insert 6 types of items

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with the first two not really worth automating

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miners have infinite output because map is finite

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otherwise you would run out of resources and then have unplayable map

cedar mica Oct 9, 2019, 1:15 PM

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If you add a mod, that has an item deleter, you can keep it 100% efficent

wind spade Oct 9, 2019, 1:15 PM

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but what's the point of that anyway

cedar mica Oct 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Keep things running, till the game gives us an item sink

wind spade Oct 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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yeah, what's the point of that 😄

limber ibex Oct 10, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Endgame base is just enjoyable when the Factory is Standing still ..

wind spade Oct 10, 2019, 1:46 AM

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and also has much more fps 🤔

limber ibex Oct 10, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Yeah @wind spade so true

rose jay Oct 10, 2019, 2:17 PM

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does anyone know the best map and a decent location on it for me and 2 friends might join me later. We have some experience but lost our last save file in the start of tier 5 and 6.

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if i look at a map online before i complete the game will it spoil anything?

sand garnet Oct 10, 2019, 2:22 PM

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yes and no

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you'll know what the map looks like, you will know where the nodes are

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here's how to look at your spawn options:
want lots of space? choose grass fields
want high quality nodes but less build space? pick northern forest
want a sort of inbetween? pick desert

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i dont like skybases myself so yeah, it's up to you to decide based on your preferences @rose jay

wind spade Oct 10, 2019, 2:25 PM

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which you should anyway

rose jay Oct 10, 2019, 2:25 PM

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okayyy

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so if i am a organization master grass fields is the best option for building a big and sophisticated factory?

pulsar stratus Oct 10, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Depends north east desert can welcome some nice building

rose jay Oct 10, 2019, 2:31 PM

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and the dessert is the stone one right?

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barren

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ok, thanks

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and i havent looked up a map as i like the exploration

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part

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ok

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any other useful tips

wind spade Oct 10, 2019, 2:36 PM

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get alt recipes asap

rose jay Oct 10, 2019, 2:36 PM

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ok

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i did the dessert one in the last save so i think ill do the grass lands

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ok, thanks see you later

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tnx

shy mason Oct 10, 2019, 4:27 PM

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next restart I do will be in the South east corner, has oil and coal right there around the lake there, just have to trek around the gas clouds and spitters. Current map right now has most of the west map exploited, haven't touched the east forest.

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If you die with the hub parts you spawn with another one right?

pulsar stratus Oct 10, 2019, 4:30 PM

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You can dismantle it and move it

shy mason Oct 10, 2019, 4:35 PM

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I know that, was wondering how hard it would be to go there after the tutorial before you place it down once. Might do that this weekend as I've spent last two weeks building the 84 nuclear rods / min set up.

pulsar stratus Oct 10, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Sorry I misread :D

shy mason Oct 10, 2019, 4:53 PM

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all good, i mistyped it as well.

pulsar stratus Oct 10, 2019, 4:55 PM

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If you die a crate will have your inventory where you have died

shy mason Oct 10, 2019, 4:59 PM

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noted. avoid gas clouds then without a handful of berries.

wheat nymph Oct 10, 2019, 7:08 PM

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skybases are stupid 😛

rancid lark Oct 10, 2019, 7:18 PM

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only if it looks structurally sound

eager spindle Oct 10, 2019, 7:18 PM

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is it still a sky if it's just a texture

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*sam ore

wind spade Oct 10, 2019, 9:18 PM

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yeah, that's basically a skybase

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no supports, just giant "floating" piece of flat foundation

wind spade Oct 10, 2019, 10:14 PM

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sure, but it's still a giant foundation

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I like building more realistic, taller buildings and on the ground

glacial hemlock Oct 11, 2019, 6:15 AM

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@wheat nymph Please elaborate. 😄

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Hey guys! I've got 6x480 iron ore to route (2880 total). I'm on mk4 belts.. and I was wondering: how do I store it all? I mean, I can't merge the belts, otherwise I'd have an output that no tier of belt can handle. So, I figured I'd arrange 6 storage arrays, one per miner but.. the problem persists, because it'd show again with the smelters output.

digital jolt Oct 11, 2019, 12:51 PM

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simon_smile

pulsar stratus Oct 11, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Why do you need that much?

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Because manufacturing high tier things like heavy frames takes a lot of resources.

pulsar stratus Oct 11, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Try separating them for what you need

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:18 PM

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So I simply take the route of 'one production line' per miner?

pulsar stratus Oct 11, 2019, 1:19 PM

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You have no choice as they aren't any belt fast enought to avoid storage array otherwise

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Hmm, no way to handle it with splitters/mergers, eh?

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I wonder what happens with a full overcloked, mk3 miner. How does one handle its output?

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Not even the mk5 belt can go that far.

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Yes but if you wanna use up 3k ore/min you wont have a single line, you will have 4 lines of mk5, splitting down to many many many many foundrys, then again, you probably dont need mk3 miners for normal iron ore

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Storing iron ore seems like a waste of space, because virtually infinite amount is stored right in the deposit, no punishment for not continously mining

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Also if you wanna do high throughput factories you should tinker around how to load balance 2 inputs to 2 outputs, i used 2 spitters and 2 mergers, then try do it for 2 inputs 4 outputs, or even 4-4, these little parts will help you keep a lot of speed in your factory

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:28 PM

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I'd love to see those 2-4 and 4-4 arrangements. As for storing raw ore, I usually do it as a safety measure in case of power shortage (when I hit the energy-production cap).

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Depending on how you handle your wiring, everything will shut down without electricity, exceptions are when you have an entirely independent circuit

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So if you hit electricity cap, your production will stop dead, even if you have iron ore you wont make it to iron ingots

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I'll try not to forget about the 2-4, 4-4 arrangements but im on the way atm

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In my save i built a big boy item sorter with 64 inputs and 64 outputs, tried to preserve the speed of 1560items/min wherever i could, thats the max speed you can unload from a train platform

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Whistles that's a freaking lot.

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Spans across 80 foundations xd

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:44 PM

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I've managed to make a few Mk5 belts just now.. that means I can handle 3600 iror/minute now. Gonna split it in 300/300

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I see lots of smelters in my near future

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I mean, each mk2 miner is overcloked and delivers 600

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:45 PM

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I highly suggest to start by developing a reliable source for the alclad things to be able to spam mk5 everywhere

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Oh! I'd do that, and I will. Just, I've wiped my entire base out to rebuild it in a proper manner. So, I'm back to square one, gotta re-do all the basics first ;0

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Oof, big commitment!

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:47 PM

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It was working nicely, until I hit the big ass fabricators. At that point I realized that one needs to go big, or go home.

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Truth

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Thank goodness for mass de-construct, would have not scrapped the whole facility otherwise.

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:49 PM

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When we hit that point we decided to decentralize the base, building smaller independent bases that sends more complex materials to the main base that builds the most advanced mats

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We had kilometers and kilometers and conveyors that we had to rebuild with trains and delete without mass deletion

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Oof

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Sounds like a group of people tho.

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Was 3 initially, then 2, now its mostly me

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 1:55 PM

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The power of company

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 2:04 PM

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📎 20191011_160425.jpg

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i hope this make sense, but this is how you can compose an easy idea of 2-2

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im not saying this is the best mode, and if oyu need 4 balanced line of 1 thing its usually means you'll need a lot of storage too :D

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Nods twice I understand what each of them does.

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I hope to have enough beams.. because there will be lots of mk4 around >_<

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 2:09 PM

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yup! also consider exploring for alternate recipes, you can afford to pick your best fitting version taht doesnt require too many of 1 particular item for example quickwire, that limits your overall throughput because you cant produce that much from that said thing

rich tusk Oct 11, 2019, 2:09 PM

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This is an old discussion, there’s 0 reasons to balance out your lines

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Lol

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 2:11 PM

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How so?

amber shell Oct 11, 2019, 2:14 PM

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well this is one reason, assymetric production line is a perfect reason, dont tell me how to build my life

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The reason because its not obvious: the mats coming off from a train, 4 train platforms silica, 4 bauxite, currently the bauxite train is under development, how do you empty 8 platforms into 2 materials uniformly, well, you load balance it, i tend to switch on off trains because of lag issues, im not saying my factory would collapse without this part, but it really doesnt hurt

tulip bronze Oct 11, 2019, 2:37 PM

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That's legit

rich tusk Oct 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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The math has been done multiple times over by multiple people and there’s literally 0 benefit from line balancing your bus, this isn’t Factorio. Lol

primal ferry Oct 11, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Symmetry is my focus right now, finding the ideal overclock % to get 780 items/minute and feeding resources into an even number of machines.

fallow lily Oct 12, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Balancing still makes sense for low volume products where saturating the downstream consumers will take a long time.

eager spindle Oct 12, 2019, 12:45 AM

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i mean if balancing makes you happy, then go for it

tiny totem Oct 12, 2019, 2:45 AM

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What

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Is that?

eager spindle Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 AM

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What is what

wind spade Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 AM

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what is "that"

tiny totem Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Why is there so many aluminium smelters?

wind spade Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 AM

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because they need a lot of aluminum?

tiny totem Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 AM

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...

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Fair, but it's so hard to find -_-

wind spade Oct 12, 2019, 2:47 AM

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use the scanner for it

tiny totem Oct 12, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I have only found

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1

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2019, 5:38 AM

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There are interactive map online, and, iirc, resource scanner always returns nearest 3 results.

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If you can't scan for a particular resource, there is a high chance that you won't be using that resource at your current tech.

wheat nymph Oct 12, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Always the three nearest results? That’s news to me

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2019, 11:38 AM

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And each search result last for 25 seconds.

cedar mica Oct 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Some resources are hidden from the scanner, till you stuff them in MAM and then unlock them in the HUB

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2019, 12:18 PM

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Spoilers alert

paper yacht Oct 13, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Ok thinks i bit off a bit too much on my tower I thought I would shoot for the max belt of 780 over every item of product i can make Per Floor but just working a crude est. that would be like 16 floors alone of Iron Plate reaching the 780 limit /m and the first floor was fed 17 alt recipe Iron Ingots feeding 25 constructors with a end result of 375 iron plate/m

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Maybe I should just make 1 floor of each product then what I'm short supplement from mini factories ..my head hurts now 😦

glacial hemlock Oct 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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If you choose to have 780/min for every item, your path won't be easy.

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Hey guys. I'm using an online, planning tool to calculate how much I need of everything for a certain production output. Can someone help me understand a confusing discrepancy? I've set the tool to consider full overclock mk2 miners on pure ore deposits. To produce 10 heavy modular frames I need 2625 iron/minute, and to achieve that I supposedly need 15 full overcloked mk2 miners on pure nodes(that is what the tool says) BUT, that can't be right, because one needs just 5 mk2, full overclocked miners on as many pure nodes to get that much.

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To further confuse things (for me) the tool has an option to visualize the network: at the beginning of every branch there are miners (numbers specified) and, if I sum them all up, I get 10 (which is not the 15 that very same tool tells me I need, into the compact buildings list, plus, it is still double the amount of miners that shall be required.)

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 AM

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which tool? 2) did you account for all alt recipes you plan on using? 3) if the calculator is assuming dedicated input for each product, that could explain why it thinks you need 15 miners vs 5, because it'd be rounding up 1.01 to 2, for example

chrome adder Oct 13, 2019, 10:28 AM

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@tulip bronze if youre using https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/calculator you can adjust number display up to 5 decimal places in settings (top right corner)

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Yep, I am using that one

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@stuck stratus The tool that Pietro has just linked. And yes, I did account for the alt recipes (just alt steel, that one with iron bars and coal). I don't know how to ascertain the third point.

chrome adder Oct 13, 2019, 10:30 AM

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i cant replicate your problem
see this (obv. with best recipies)

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stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Using just alt mod frames gets the iron input to be what Mhyt initially quoted, but i'm likewise not seeing 15 miners

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4.375 for iron, to be exact

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:32 AM

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@chrome adder how does the decimal setting explain that at one point the tool says I need 15 mk2 miners, in another point it says 10, while for 2625 iron/min I only need 5 mk2 fully clocked miners on pure nodes?

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:32 AM

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now, if you go over to buildings, and see 18 miners... that's forall the ores, total, needed for this particular arrangement, not just the iron.

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can you post a screenshot of it showing you needing 15 iron miners?

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Sure! Let me fetch it

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📎 unknown.png

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:34 AM

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again. that's total miners needed.

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that's iron, copper, coal, limestone.

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Oooooh

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Facepalms

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:36 AM

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the 'items' tab breaks it down a bit by, well, each item, which should show 4.37 for iron, if we're using the same settings

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:36 AM

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Mine says 4.4 but, that's no big difference, eh?

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:37 AM

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just differences in our decimal precision is all, functionally the same

tulip bronze Oct 13, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Whew looks like I've got all that I need then. Now.. to build the thing and make it work..

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Thanks for the clarification!

stuck stratus Oct 13, 2019, 10:42 AM

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yw, glad you got it worked out, have fun plugging the factory in 😛

glacial hemlock Oct 13, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Great job!

rich cipher Oct 13, 2019, 12:26 PM

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If I am trying to size my factory for the theoretical max amount of production should I plan on 900 ore per minute from a node (mk7 belt capacity) or should I build something that could process 1200 ore per minute per node (250% mk3 miner)?

glacial hemlock Oct 13, 2019, 3:59 PM

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always aim higher.

tall silo Oct 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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what you could do is just future proof it, set it up for what your current max is but make it easly upgradeable/expandable once you have access to better stuff

rich cipher Oct 13, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I was aiming for preemptive expansion. Build the max currently possible (i guess build for 1200 ore per node), and then have a bit of room to expand if that ceiling ever gets broken

shy mason Oct 13, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I've got the base floor and rails for all that done, if I run out of capacity with a dozen manufactures I'll just stack another floor for them in the same spot. HMF would be biggest pain but I've got 7 full industrial storage containers from the 3 manufactures i got. Yeah I'm at a good stopping point for this map until expansion hits and still have the east side of the map untouched.

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2019, 9:51 AM

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@shy mason HMF will be your current pain, until you start making turbo motors.

broken brook Oct 15, 2019, 3:06 PM

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You guys think this is a valid balanced 5 to 4?

📎 Motor_10_min.png

hazy heron Oct 15, 2019, 3:07 PM

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yo anyone have a steel ingot 60/min chart?

junior nova Oct 15, 2019, 3:35 PM

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go to one of the satisfactory calculators and look up what to do for 60 steel/min

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2019, 4:09 PM

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@broken brook no. The diamond at the right should only be either splitter or merger, but not to function as both

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And by using % analysis, you are likely to get more material at the right most assembler than the rest

sand garnet Oct 15, 2019, 4:22 PM

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the bottom right diamond cant even exist because it has 2 in, 2 out

broken brook Oct 15, 2019, 5:38 PM

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@sand garnet @glacial hemlock How about now and @glacial hemlock shouldn't they all balance out evenly over time coz I'm sending the output from the rightmost diamond back to the start of the queue

📎 Motor_10_min_2.png

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This is the right one 👇, ignore the abov diag, wrongly sent

📎 Motor_10_min_1.png

broken brook Oct 15, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Think this is a valid balanced 5 to 4? 👆

rigid knoll Oct 15, 2019, 7:49 PM

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it is not, the outputs are (rounded a bit) 1.18, 1.18, 1.09, 1.54, 1.54

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now, if the the assemblers can only support 1.25 input, and all the input is running at full, then it's not a problem because backpressure will deal with it. But in that case you can do something pretty simple, where you just make sure that 1.25 is available at each point, not that the steady-state splitting will output exactly that much

shy mason Oct 15, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Split the odd middle line into halves and merge them into other pairs of input, making 2 lines carry 2.5x worth of input, then split each line in half with a splitter to get 1.25 each for your assemblers.

wind spade Oct 15, 2019, 8:39 PM

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also, why not use manifolds? 🙂

rich tusk Oct 15, 2019, 11:51 PM

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@wind spade lol Bcz they think you have to balance lines out haha

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Because the guy asked if a balancer is working, not asking if balancers are good at all 😂 :troll:

rich tusk Oct 16, 2019, 2:46 AM

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...sure... whatever you think bud lol

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 3:10 AM

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@wind spade I can't do manifolds coz I'm limited by the technology of my time. I would need mk 4 to combine all 4 belt lines. I can't even combine more than 2.

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@shy mason can you pls do me a quick diag.. I'm really curious how this is done..

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I haven't found a 5 to 4 balancer anywhere yet

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 5:54 AM

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@broken brook yes, but you can do 4 or 5 manifolds. You don't need to merge all into one

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 6:47 AM

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@wind spade can you send me a quick schema on how to do this 5 to 4 and I can learn from it

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 6:48 AM

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repeat 5 times

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number of buildings obviously depends on how much can one belt feed

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e.g. if you have 5 belts and each belt has 150 resources/min on it and each building eats 30/min, you'll need 5 buildings per belt

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is that what you are looking for @broken brook ?

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:12 AM

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@wind spade I'm trying to figure this out and I'm limited to mk3 belts(I'll automate steel beams and unlock it now).. so max I can combine is 3 - with one belt carrying 264.. One assembler eats 110. How do I manifold 5:4.

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wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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well easiest way to solve this is to get rid of screws by using alternate recipe

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but if you don't want to, then I'd just go for 5:5

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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I'm using the ingot one already

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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yeah I mean the rotor alt

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Hmm, 5 to 5 sounds nice

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:14 AM

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just underclock the rotor assemblers or keep them at 100%, doesn't matter much and you don't have to do any balancing or stuff

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:17 AM

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So, manifolds dont work when you don't have the belt capacity to merge into single belt?

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Any way to bypass that

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:17 AM

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you can merge to multiple belts

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and have multiple manifolds

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:18 AM

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That's what I don't get

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How does that work

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:18 AM

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just merge belts in any way and then make a manifold from each belt

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:18 AM

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But won't it be imbalanced

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:19 AM

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you don't need to have it balanced

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Like more on one side

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:19 AM

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then build more machines on that side

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Hmmm

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:21 AM

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random example

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5x 120 ipm belt

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each machine eats 60/min

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(sure in this case you could just split each belt in two and not do manifold at all, but it's just as an example)

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:24 AM

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So how about:
88 88 88 88 88

110 110 110 110

This will need 5 machines on the feeding side also right?

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:25 AM

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for these cases I would just underclock the 110 machines to 80% so that they only eat 88

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and then I would have 5:5 or 1:1

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yes, manifold is better than a balancer, but direct 1:1 or 2:1 or 1:2 is even better

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Yea, seems like the only efficient way

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 7:26 AM

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not the only one, but definitely the easiest and most recommended

broken brook Oct 16, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Yea some ppl were talking about a 5:4 even balancer but it just went over my head

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Like 2.5 on each belt line...

uncut kayak Oct 16, 2019, 8:35 AM

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So, been getting back into Satisfactory for the first time since the weekend/initial EA release. Been starting to expand, and I'm struggling with planning - what approaches to people take to planning/optimising? Do you go for whatever the space elevator needs next in correct ratios, then rebuild each tier, or is there some equivalent to SPM in Factorio that people target from the outset? My primary concern here is ensuring i get even partially reasonable ratios of early game production in place (iron sticks vs plates? What about how many screws should i produce alongside reinforced iron? How much of my iron should go towards steel production? Etc etc) - been playing with calculators, but without an understanding of end game goals, I'm not really sure on general ratios... Or am I just horribly overthinking this?

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(fair warning, am on the train into work, so almost certainly overthinking since I'm not actually playing at the moment!)

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 8:49 AM

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99% of products people make aren't used for game progression, since the game doesn't have too much milestones to aim for at the moment. Other than space elevator stages, there are no big requirements. So people just usually build stuff "for the lolz", a.k.a. "let me set my goals and try to complete them".

Usually you want these resources:

resources needed for space elevator
resources needed for building (belt resources, machine resources, etc.)
resources for research

Since those cover almost all resources available, you are best with just automating everything. Regarding quantity, that really depends on the speed you want to do and time you want to spend reaching the last milestone. After that, your only resource consumption is you building more factories to increase resources production rate.

For a normal playthrough, I would just go with a small amount of each resource, with exception of belt resources (based on whatever your current belt tier is) and resources for machines (and concrete). Depending on how many resources are in your starting area, you should pick your own "small" number.

What I did in my only playthrough (warning: only got to computers, other knowledge is mostly theoretical) is that I just built small factory to make a few items of every type and when I found out that I need more of a certain resource, I would just increase production of that resource. Building in modules helps a lot, with module being a design where you input ores/ingots and output final product. So if I need more of X, I just build more modules that produce X. I don't have to solve issues like "I don't have enough reinforced plates to produce modular frames", because they are always produced in ratio in modular frames's module.

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I know it isn't the answer you were looking for @uncut kayak , but in this game, there is no "wrong" or "right". You can play at your own pace under your own rules.

uncut kayak Oct 16, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Yeah, appreciated on the "no correct way to play" sentiment, was more interested in how other people have approached this - your answer is interesting in this regard :)

neon pier Oct 16, 2019, 10:10 AM

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I would say - "do it the way that floats your boat". For some folks that's megafactories, for me it's lots of trains, and breaking Factorio's 2D rail line planning restrictions (even though we don't have all the train functionality yet (think signalling)). For you, it might be progression in least time, or "most perfect factory ever", or "I can do round factories", or, "I will dominate all available land and resources". I have played since EA, and I haven't got bored yet. So, relax, have fund, do what you want and what you will. And then tell us about your awesomeness... 😉 In detail, for your edifaction, build expandable, separated, modular factories that connect and build the high level products (and leave the game running overnight if you don't want to build high-output productions lines). Good luck and enjoy!

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 11:32 AM

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ovals = mergers and diamonds = splitters if it's 90 parts/min inputs the highest belts you'll need are mk3 belts as it reaches 225 parts/min before they split.

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glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Rotor? Lol, i always use 1:1 setup

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

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as for strategies, I look on the map nowadays and try to plan out what ratios of resources a product would call for, plan out for 20 or so assemblers of that product and just make 4-5 typically. if it's reinforced plates and steel beams go extra for all the belts you'll be making.

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 1:51 PM

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@shy mason

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that's not a 5:4 balancer unfortunatelly

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at least not by definition of a balancer, that I beleive is used by most pple

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bcs if that thing that you sent got items only on leftmost belt, it won't balance to all 4 belts

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I tried a new "wait to automate" strategy playing casually from a new wasteland save and got converted to coal power in just under 4 hours with my only automated production in the end being 4 wire constructors, 2 iron pipe constructors, 1 iron plate, and 1 concrete. I may have handcrafted several thousand screws but like heck I'm gonna make a machine for those. Guess I'll go hunt down hard drives next;just didn't wanna leave machines running on biofuel before adventure time.

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The wire was overkill I was just maxing out what 60 copper per second could provide.

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Also I bet a speedrunner could do this in an hour.

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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60 per second? 😄

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I mean it's tier 1 belts I didn't even unlock tier 2 yet

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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makes sense, yeah would be too much work to make that any more optimal if you have to make it balance out. at least you have the middle constructor to balance out any ebs and flows.

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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that's 60 per minute thonk3D

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Yeah per minute

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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also, iron wire > copper wire 😄

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Oh I know but early game hard drive hunting sucks

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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you only need 2-3 to get SIP and iron wire

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:45 PM

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It's only one copper node

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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getting it early before unlocking coal /steel helps alot to make your few get stitched plates + iron wire.

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I mean, I didn't automate the plates yet

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The reinforced ones I mean

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 2:46 PM

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if you can get quick wire that opens up a few more in grassland areas, otherwise you are only open to the screw and power drop pods.

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I'm aware. I have a save with all unlocks and alts somewhere

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Anyhow this is wasteland. Aka probably the worst location but I wanted to revisit it.

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Running through poison gas up the mountain to the coal nodes was great fun

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I restarted recently as well, went to the swamps and had fun with taking down an alpha spitter with the starter zapper and a dozen berries. Desert start is fine, lets you expand out to forest spots for HMF and computer colonies when you're ready

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I just find it suboptimal due to how spread apart a lot of resources are, whereas the northern forest has almost everything close by. I was mildly worried about the lack of biomass but by minimizing power usage until I had coal I didn't have to do too much harvesting.

sand garnet Oct 16, 2019, 3:12 PM

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steel screws > iron wire

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 3:12 PM

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thinking_helmet

sand garnet Oct 16, 2019, 3:12 PM

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jk dont shoot me

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I actually adopted the iron wire into my factory thanks to greeny

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 3:13 PM

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I'm getting mixed signals here

sand garnet Oct 16, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I like to keep you sharp.

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Even without that it's good

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Been a while

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Trains are great

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Can't think of any practical use for them though except maybe lower upfront cost since the tracks are quite cheap, do they lag less than belts?

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Yes.

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Also generally more aesthetically pleasing than having belts strewn across the countryside

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And aside from some power usage overhead can move goods as quickly as belts when set up properly. Also comes with bonus storage so even if you don't use it for your production lines you might enjoy using it to deliver final product to a warehouse or right to your home base

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Oh yeah, that 50mw power usage is savage

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Plus 50mw for every loading dock

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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The surges were painful when I wasn't aware of them

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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It's constant

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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There's also a surge when loading or unloading

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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I hooked a train station up to a geothermal plant and the usage was 50mw uninterrupted

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Oof

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Or there was. I haven't checked on latest patch

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:31 PM

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I'll check it shortly

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Plus the variable engine usage by speed.

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:32 PM

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50mw per platform, potentially 150mw for a "normal" train feels excessive

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I will say they're superior to teaching trucks

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:33 PM

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I love them as personal transports at least

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Objectively. Also for personal transport, having train infrastructure means you can zoom from base to base

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Carry materials for a train around with you, throw up a train whenever you want to go somewhere, set the autopilot and make a coffee

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Oh and train tracks seem cheaper to build than conveyors

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Yeah they're a lot cheaper, though let's be honest that's only a temporary problem

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:34 PM

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True but it makes setup of long hauls less painful

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Other than the power usage the only real gripe I have is that you can't cross the tracks in an explorer easily

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Anyhow the world has a ridiculous amount of surplus power capacity as it stands so power usage isn't much of a limiting factor

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Oh yeah I hate that. Though lately I build all tracks elevated on level foundation paths

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Ah I wind mine around the terrain for scenary

patent bough Oct 16, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Neat

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Nice

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Nuclear could be considered green if the amount of waste produced were more realistic aka a lot less

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Oil is also renewable. Btw biomass is renewable too.

supple plank Oct 16, 2019, 4:43 PM

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thinking_helmet

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Lizard Doggo is the answer to life, everything and the universe.

rich tusk Oct 16, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Mmm lizard doggo burgers

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 5:16 PM

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only reason people prefer coal over oil for power is that they use all the oil for their mega super computer lines.

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 5:17 PM

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also because coal is more power efficient

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 5:17 PM

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true, also 3 mod frames and rotors are cheaper than what you need for fuel generators.

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2019, 5:40 PM

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How much you can go with the coal, is pretty limited

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 5:47 PM

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mostly by the belt speeds you can make at the time. If you can find sulfur and the compact coal recipe you can scale it pretty high

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Probably less effort to just find a 2nd coal vein than to build an entire supply chain around compacted coal

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@glacial hemlock I know that @glossy knoll did this setup:
1206.0x Coal Generators
13400.0 Coal / min

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60 GW of power

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I'm content with the 24 nuclear reactors that equals. Would have no clue where to place all those generators.

wind spade Oct 16, 2019, 6:45 PM

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sure, nuclear is fine. But coal > fuel

barren elm Oct 16, 2019, 6:46 PM

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That's the best part about coal generators

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Take materials for 50 or so generators (extra to act as a buffer), build a platform for them, throw them all down, connect it up and literally just forget they exist for the rest of the game

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There's plenty of coal nodes right on the edge of the map so placement isn't a big deal

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 6:54 PM

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yeah, i tend to use the closet node for steel to keep manufactring close, that power plan does sound tempting for next run though.

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Yup. 60gw of Coal power! Now trying to orchestrate over 800 constructors plus a tonne of assemblers and manufacturers I’ll post a screenshot of my power plant in #screenshots

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I don’t think anyone has gone as far as I did with coal power before? Technically twice since I ripped out the old one that I never finished

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:17 PM

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that over the southern abyss and all normal coal?

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:17 PM

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The old one was 1600 generators

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Yes

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Compacted coal is too much hassle

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You deal with twice the ore for a small amount of extra efficiency

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Extra efficiency that’s completely burnt off because you need to make compacted coal 😂

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:21 PM

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fair enough.

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:23 PM

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I originally had the old plant over the red lake/NE desert I ripped it out because there was too many issues with it

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Who’s doing the mega SC factory??

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:24 PM

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12 train stations for coal sounds big in this game yet weirdly small historically.

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i was planning on it, then nuclear came out and sent all the crystal oscillators and network cards over to that plant

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:26 PM

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12 coal plants? I used to revel at having that many fuel gens in my early days haha, I think I grew up really quickly

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How many per minute?

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:28 PM

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got the space for 24 nuclear rods / minute (or 180 power stations) now with a maxed nuclear t3 uranium mine. Still need to find room for all the other nuclear power stations for the 82 rods/min challenge.

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:29 PM

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It’s impossible to make it neat if you don’t use sky platforms, I don’t like the reality but it’s necessary

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84 nuclear plants?

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:30 PM

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I've covered the round abyss north of grasslands next to the big tunnel, main floor at ground level is all the nuclear production with shipping in electromagnetic rods and crystal oscillators, and absolute basement for the waste storage, with

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only up to a dozen plants now, but have plenty of room to triple it if I wasn't getting bored with the foundation platforms

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Placing them?

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:34 PM

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yeah, by hand. Should have used anthor's site to make it cool with circles.

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Use area actions

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:35 PM

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is that a technique, or mod?

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I legit filled 500x500 platforms with it yesterday to se how big it is lol.. spoiler it’s like half the size of the map and almost crashed my game for two minutes

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Mod 🙂

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:36 PM

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looks cool and will save a 1/3rd of my total play time.

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thanks

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rest of it will be spent building manifolds for manufactoring

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I use AA because it increases accuracy in my building

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Some of the things I do would take me soooo long to do otherwise

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And my plans are enormous so I rely on it

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:39 PM

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yeah, spend most of my time steading my hand when placing machines to not budge it an inch at the pressing of the button.

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will check it out, got a new world to test it on before wreaking my main world with it.

glossy knoll Oct 16, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Now I just need to manage 27,000 wire per minute haha

shy mason Oct 16, 2019, 8:43 PM

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that's a doozy, sounds like 45 mk 5 lines. good luck

lyric anvil Oct 17, 2019, 7:12 AM

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so my coal mine is generating 780 coal per minute currently, and a coal generator uses 5.4, which is 11 coal per minute, so if im right i can build 70 coal generators with that, am i right or is something missing?

honest stag Oct 17, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Well

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Idk i am on school now

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Lol

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 7:14 AM

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@lyric anvil I'd suggest using an online tool for that

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like for example mine: https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/power

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

lyric anvil Oct 17, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Thanks! 🙂

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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for your case, you are correct:

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lyric anvil Oct 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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This tool helps alot, thank you :D

honest stag Oct 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Ooh i never knew that site cool

winter halo Oct 17, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Thats a pretty good site, how'd you get the map ?

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Or is it just a general "guess" of the overlay

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 7:18 AM

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lots of manual work. Although the map isn't mine. I'm just cooperating with a guy and I'm allowed to share the map on my site

winter halo Oct 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Awesome

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cuz ive been trying to somehow get the map out of another ue game but i failed

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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full credits to him (them), see homepage

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it's made by hand

winter halo Oct 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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k

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 7:19 AM

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I beleive there are some screenshots involved, but I can't remember now

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:51 AM

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It's worth adding a lot of buffers to power generation since power usage isn't static

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While a coal node might mathematically power 70 generators, realistically you can probably get 100 out of it by placing coal storage every so often to soak up unused coal

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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buffers won't increase your max available power

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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They do increase max available power for as long as your buffer lasts though

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:52 AM

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no they don't

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power plants do

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Sure they do, if I have 70 generators providing 3.5 gw of power, but I have 30 more provided by a buffer, then my sustained power output is still 3.5gw but my power won't cut out until it goes over 5gw

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:53 AM

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then generators are providing the extra power

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not the buffers 😉

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:54 AM

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By buffer here I'm talking about a storage unit connected to more generators, at the end of your "max" generator line

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:54 AM

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why not at the start? 🤔

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Well because I'm trying to explain it as best I can and that seems like the best way to describe it, as a "tacked on" bit of factory

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:56 AM

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anyway, overbuilding generators isn't generally recommended, as it gives you a false feeling of having more power than you really have. If you can draw more power than you can supply with your current fuel production, then you should build more fuel production and more generators, not more buffers

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:57 AM

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But what do you do if you're not using 100% of your powergrid? That's a normal scenario, unless you're feeding your excess coal elsewhere, it's just being wasted

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:58 AM

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how is it "wasted" in a world where resources are infinite?

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Well it's being produced but not going anywhere, I'd describe that as unused, and so wasted

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 8:58 AM

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it's going to the coal gens

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it will be used eventually, so not wasted

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Okay if you've got a 3.5gw of coal plants, and you're at 80% power usage -- a normal situation -- there'll come a point where your coal gens aren't accepting more coal because they're full

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 9:00 AM

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agreed

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Whereas if you've got, I dunno, 4gw of coal plants, and you're using 3.5gw of power, the extra buffer plants at the end will let you produce more power whiel you're over "100" capacity, and buffer up when you're below it

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Kinda like a really bad battery

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Sure you're right in that you need to know more about your power grid than what the power pole states though

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 9:02 AM

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but if it's possible to get over the 3.5 GW capacity, then you can't guarantee your fuel won't run out before it drops below 3.5 GW again

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and therefore you need to increase fuel production so that you don't run into power issues

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Indeed ideally your average would be below 100% production capacity, like in this example your average would be like 3.4gw or whatever

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But I can't be the only one that sees my max power usage spike up to sometimes 50% over my average

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However that probably depends on whether you're allowing your machines to stop/start a lot

wind spade Oct 17, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I'd say your maximum consumption should be below 100% production capacity

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yes, power spikes, but you need to count with the spikes, not with the average

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otherwise the whole system will be more or less fragile

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and any bigger spike may shut it down

barren elm Oct 17, 2019, 10:00 AM

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I think it may have been easier for me to say "You can create an accumulator at the end of your coal line in the form of a storage + extra generators"

willow igloo Oct 18, 2019, 1:52 AM

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I usually go with the attitude to double (at least) my power production anytime I exceed 75% of my capacity. Only in the early game did I ever shut down. Once I got automatic power in the form of coal, it was always just checking my current use and doubling as needed

glacial hemlock Oct 18, 2019, 4:33 AM

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The other way is to always max out the current coal node based on your belt tier.

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Well that's a given

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Yeah

wind spade Oct 18, 2019, 1:05 PM

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they don't clock down. They just produce exactly what they need to

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you can clock them down separately

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:32 PM

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erm

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so I just did an estimation on how much room my factory is going to need in building space alone and I wan't my math sanity checked..as the result was.. disturbing

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I used this as a scale (these are accurate representations of how many foundations a building uses) measured from in game;

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if this is my factory;

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and I use the above scale to calculate;
smelters = 2 foundations
constructors = 2 foundations
assemblers = 4 foundations
manufacturers = 9 foundations

i get these numbers;
smelters = 900
constructers = 1756
assemblers = 2476
manufacturers = 2709

totalling 7841 foundations!

obviously that will be squared so something along the lines of 3920.5 foundations^2

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and thats not including room for transport like belts and stations

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Why would it be squared?

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:41 PM

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well its not in a straight line but maybe not squard exactly

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:41 PM

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If you need 900 foundations for 450 smelters then there's no need to square it

rich tusk Oct 18, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Don’t forget you can build vertically too

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:42 PM

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yeah I'd like to avoid that

rich tusk Oct 18, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Yea.... you’re gonna have a real bad time

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I will regardless lol

rich tusk Oct 18, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Nah

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I think there will be like 42x780 belts of wire alone 😭

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@barren elm yeah you're right not squared just, not in a straight line, so if I want to make it "one big platform" in the shape of say a square, how would I calculate that... its a bit late for my thinking

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Well if you want 450 smelters

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Best way would be a double manifold with the input on one side and the output on the other which minimizes belt space

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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100 foundations * 100 foundations = 10000 foundations

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so it would fit in that?

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Square root of 450 is 21 so you want 21 rows of 21 smelters (+9 somewhere)

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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yeah this is how i was going to lay them out;

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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So if each smelter takes up 2x1 foundations you'd need a 42 long by 21 wide foundation

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/626053686031810570/634216486482739200/unknown.png

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:48 PM

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You actually don't need the double output

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:48 PM

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in the case of wire constructors;

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:48 PM

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You can combine the outputs into one belt

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Same for the input

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Since current max belt speed can support 26 smelters' output/input

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You could have 13 smelters per "line" and have 450/13 = 35 lines

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This would take up slightly less space

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Roughly 21x2 lines of splitters/mergers to be exact

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:51 PM

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so same format as the constructors above except catering for max input or output belt speed?

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Yeah, and the same for assemblers + manufacturers

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Doesn't always work of course, products like wire throw a wrench into it as those take less space to just assemble it where you need it

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:54 PM

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I need 23k wire so... everywhere haha

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okay so was I right about the platform size? 100 foundations * 100 foundations = 10000 foundations

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that seems correct but it's 1am lol

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:56 PM

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It probably won't be that easy

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Gotta figure out the size of each battery of entities and then figure out how big of a square you need to fit all those smaller squares in

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But uh

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10k foundations should fit all that on

wind spade Oct 18, 2019, 1:58 PM

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build stackable designs that can go up

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3D game and people still play it as factorio

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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The nice thing about 2d designs is that you can show them off I guess

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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aw greeny you know i love my giant flat platforms

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@barren elm 👌🏻

wind spade Oct 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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tall buildings connected with passages and belts do look nicer imo

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and are also good to show off

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 2:01 PM

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😆

📎 Screenshot_13.jpg

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Oh I just realised thats an old design =/

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I feel better now that I know how big to build the platform, I'll make sure theres enough space to go even bigger if needed as I don't want to be a version 1 coal plant issue again lol.

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I used area actions to fill a 500 * 500(250k) foundation space. It actually did it!(in about 2 minutes of complete unresponsiveness) and was perfectly usable FPS-wise... though pretty sure it was larger than the map 250k*8=2,000,000meters

barren elm Oct 18, 2019, 2:12 PM

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What's the entity limit in satisfactory?

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2,162,688?

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Seems like some entities have multiple uObjects so I guess it's lower

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 2:14 PM

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does the matrix bend when you hit it? lol

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https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-flying-omw-badass-gif-14836515

Tenor

wind spade Oct 18, 2019, 2:22 PM

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yeah, they did some optimalisation about entity limit recenlty

glossy knoll Oct 18, 2019, 2:43 PM

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2mil^2 I guess

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the map is only like 30something KM^2

glacial hemlock Oct 19, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Or 500 x 8m = 4km, 4 x 4 =16

glossy knoll Oct 19, 2019, 2:30 AM

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yup cant rely on my math at 1:30am haha

wheat nymph Oct 19, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I would love to build tall but it takes forever compared to just flooding the ground with buildings

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So in the end rather than making a smoke stack I make cute little smelter circles on the ground

willow blade Oct 19, 2019, 2:49 PM

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um i think found some bad bath when it comes to the biomass burners
BMB:1 :20MWH
BMB:1+1shard:27.3MWH(+7.3)
BMB:1+2shard:34.1MWH(+6.8)
BMB:1+3shard:40.5MWH(+6.4)
BMB2: :40MWH
BMB2:+1shard:56.4MWH(+14.3)
BMB2:+2shard:68.2MWH(+13.6)
BMB2:+3shard:80.9MWH(+12.7)

sand garnet Oct 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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it doesnt scale linearly

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and using shards in a power generator is generally bad practice

wind spade Oct 19, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Shards in gens are just a waste

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Adding 3 shards is the same as adding another gen

urban brook Oct 19, 2019, 5:57 PM

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How many constructors do I need for 120 Copper Ingets per minute

empty hemlock Oct 19, 2019, 6:01 PM

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150/what the machine tells you it needs per minute. i think copper cable uses 30/min? so 5

urban brook Oct 19, 2019, 6:06 PM

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wires uses 15

empty hemlock Oct 19, 2019, 6:07 PM

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then it's 10 machines

sand garnet Oct 19, 2019, 6:20 PM

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but.. it's 120

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so 8

wind spade Oct 20, 2019, 12:54 AM

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it's a trick question

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for copper ingots, you need smelters

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so the correct answer is 0

rotund sun Oct 20, 2019, 1:25 AM

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I just notice this in the trailer, and I think we have all missed it this whole time. You have to quickly pause buffer to catch it.

https://youtu.be/W_lmP8jYVLs?t=123

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YouTube

Coffee Stain

Satisfactory Reveal Trailer E3 2018

Reveal Trailer for Coffee Stain Studio’s new game Satisfactory. Handy links and more info below: ******* Info ******* Website + FAQ: https://satisfactorygame...

▶ Play video

rich tusk Oct 20, 2019, 1:30 AM

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it has not been missed. We just don’t know what it is.

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It’s been dubbed the cafeteria.

clever orchid Oct 20, 2019, 2:23 PM

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That’s where the company pool is located

compact jewel Oct 20, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I wonder if that's what we're building with all the resources we send up?

rich tusk Oct 20, 2019, 4:55 PM

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The cafeteria.

tropic quiver Oct 20, 2019, 5:25 PM

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A super weapon to destroy the planet we’re on is my uneducated guess.

sand garnet Oct 20, 2019, 5:49 PM

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highly doubt it

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that would be wasting precious resources

torn drift Oct 20, 2019, 6:44 PM

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so anyone else bothered by the non-standard way that belt speeds are upgraded? like Mk 1 transports 60, then Mk 2 does 120...but Mk 3 does 270, NOT 240. and Mk 5 does 780 instead of 960 (480*2) x_x

summer field Oct 20, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Still no.

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Well, technically it was yes before, but that was when you phrased your question differently.

torn drift Oct 20, 2019, 6:46 PM

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faceplant

glacial hemlock Oct 20, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Faceberries or facenut?

willow blade Oct 20, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Goku whatever you do dont look at the math for the power plants your hub gets

torn drift Oct 20, 2019, 7:21 PM

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eh my friends and I are far past the hub biomass generators.....we've built 4 nuclear plants

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but we haven't transitioned to nuclear power yet

willow blade Oct 20, 2019, 7:22 PM

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BMB:1 :20MWH
BMB:1+1shard:27.3MWH(+7.3)
BMB:1+2shard:34.1MWH(+6.8)
BMB:1+3shard:40.5MWH(+6.4)

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yet when you do the same set up on the second one it doesn't double

wind spade Oct 20, 2019, 7:29 PM

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shards don't scale lineary

sand garnet Oct 20, 2019, 7:30 PM

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didnt you post this yesterday too?

willow blade Oct 20, 2019, 7:41 PM

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was showing it to goku so relax

sand garnet Oct 20, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I am relaxed, was just confused

meager plover Oct 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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"hmm lets make a program to calculate the requirements for a maximum production rate factory"

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yeah so on that note my factory will NOT be maximum production rate across the board

cedar mica Oct 23, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Only way to be 100% efficient, is to send some to storage, along the way

exotic narwhal Oct 23, 2019, 11:37 PM

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still trying to learn how to work with belts in a efficient way, what would be the best possible way to split one line into 14 fuel gen?

meager plover Oct 23, 2019, 11:40 PM

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a 1 to 14 split?

exotic narwhal Oct 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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yeah, i usually just have one line into 14 splitters, but the ones at the end dont get enough, is that cause the splitters or not enough production?

meager plover Oct 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/balancers

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

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Use this for balancing your supply chains

exotic narwhal Oct 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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oh neat, ty

meager plover Oct 23, 2019, 11:42 PM

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doesn't have anything that size, but you can extrapolate

cedar mica Oct 23, 2019, 11:43 PM

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1,2,4,8,16, then merge the excess 2 into the first line. Should be a close to even split

glacial hemlock Oct 24, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Supercomputer and turbomotor 1.9? You have not reached the maximum limit yet

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 12:13 AM

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if it's not required for anything, the program just sets it to a single manufacturer's max rate

glacial hemlock Oct 24, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I see

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 12:16 AM

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yeah its not "BREAK THE GAME" kind of maximum. More of a practical maximum

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rigid knoll Oct 24, 2019, 3:53 AM

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@exotic narwhal (late but) that'll almost certainly been just waiting for the early ones to fill up their internal stack; it could also be not enough production, but then you'd be running out of power or very seriously overbuilding

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 5:41 AM

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@exotic narwhal if last machine doesn't have enough resources, then it's production issue, not balancer issue

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Bruh it's just guidelines for myself. Not like I'm trying to make fully versatile program that simulates the whole factory. Really this was about figuring out how much ore I needed to make the factory capable of taking in

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 3:42 PM

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What's the best way you guys have found to organize non-nuclear generators? I want to stack them but obviously that doesnt work

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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just a big line of generators

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if you mean stacking as multiple floors, then it kinda works, but takes a lot of space

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 3:53 PM

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yeah i always want to try to build up rather than out

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 3:54 PM

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that's gonna be an issue tho

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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do I need to look to the most advanced recipes when setting up production line or my current max?

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:13 PM

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most of the alternate recipes are preffered over the normal ones

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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which ones?

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for reference I only just unlocked steel production

meager plover Oct 24, 2019, 4:19 PM

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depends. I'm struggling with that question right now

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I ended up going with yes, look to maximum recipe production, but i've also unlocked nearly everything

cedar mica Oct 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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All alts, expect the one that make plastic from fuel and rubber, are worth it

sand garnet Oct 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Alt screws and alt plastic ftw

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:20 PM

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or is meta purely for most effictiveness...

cedar mica Oct 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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With unlimited resources, so is there no current meta. By the time you run out of spots to mine, you generally have found a way to do things

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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im just trying to figure things out...

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:29 PM

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short answer: get the alts and use them

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long answer:

they reduce power consumption, factory size, resource consumption and often also decrease complexity of your factory. You don't need to use them, but you'll save yourself a lot of headache if you start with alternate recipes immediatelly

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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how do I unlock alternate recipes? though I should be asking in a different channel

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:31 PM

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@cedar mica disagree. There are a lot of alts that aren't really worth it

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@glossy patrol you find a crashed pod, unlock it (usually with resources and/or power) and get a hard drive. You can then scan it in MAM to get 3 alts to choose from (you can only pick one, but you can also save and reload the game to get a different 3 to choose from)

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I see

cedar mica Oct 24, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Its a matter of what you want to save on. Overall resources or a spesific one

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:33 PM

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screw alts are shit because screws are shit screwscrews

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motor and becaon alts are just shit

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rubber cable is also crap

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stator alt is usually worse

cedar mica Oct 24, 2019, 4:35 PM

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You are not using caterium for that much, once you setup a few alts

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:35 PM

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still you want to save it for qw computers and qw boards, when you run out of quartz

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also crystal oscillator alt is shit

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 4:35 PM

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sorry, im still new to this game

patent bough Oct 24, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Hm i found crystal computer before quickwire computer and used that in current game. Forgot to check and compare them. Oh well.

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 4:46 PM

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crystal computer > quickwire computer > computer

patent bough Oct 24, 2019, 4:46 PM

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That plus alt circuit board means zero plastic in my computers (rubber instead).

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I have a supply of plastic coming in and I have yet to make anything out of it. Still a bunch of hard drives to collect though

shy mason Oct 24, 2019, 5:03 PM

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alternate network card is also up there for debate with requiring silica over cables. Same with alt radios needing super computers over crystal osc and computers. At least if you are trying to preserve qtz and caterium

glacial hemlock Oct 24, 2019, 5:34 PM

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screws? well,
Nobody:
R.I.P: Uses 24 boxes of fully-filled screws just to screw 4 plates together.

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If the item is bolt and nuts, there might be a lot less anti-screws here.

wind spade Oct 24, 2019, 5:57 PM

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honestly "screw screws" just sounds much better than "screw bolts"

indigo sonnet Oct 24, 2019, 7:51 PM

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anyone know how i'm suppsoed to split the iron plates?

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because last constructor creates like 3 iron plates and idunno how im supposed to split/ merge them into one of the two assemblers?

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crimson kestrel Oct 24, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Spend three slugs and set each constructor to 106.6% efficiency, then each assembler to 80%, and direct-feed with no merging
Or just eat the 7% loss.
Personally I'd simply merge all the constructors into a common line, then U-turn and split into each assembler. Prime the internal buffer of each assembler with plates from your personal inventory.

snow folio Oct 24, 2019, 9:19 PM

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could someone link me a 4-3 balancer?

sand garnet Oct 24, 2019, 9:23 PM

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that should work, right?

snow folio Oct 24, 2019, 9:26 PM

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should do, im just working with concrete but i didnt see this way of doing it. thankyou!

sand garnet Oct 24, 2019, 9:29 PM

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yeah what belt do you have ?

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mk1, 2, 3, 4 or 5?

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you need at least mk2 for this

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although, nope, mk1 even works too

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because concrete is made 15 per min

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so 4 constructors do 60, which is the speed of mk1 belt

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so this setup works.

snow folio Oct 24, 2019, 9:37 PM

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im making an 18/min encased industrial beams so the max belt i need is 3 anyways

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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how many smelters can a mark 2 miner on a normal iron source feed?

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including boosts from slugs

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iron

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near my hub I got 3 sources

rigid knoll Oct 24, 2019, 9:45 PM

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though that's then 300/min if you go full overload, unless you're limited by mk3 belts to 270

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which is then 10 smelters unless you boost those too, but it's of course generally simple enough to just make more smelters and save the power/shards

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 9:47 PM

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for what are the shards best saved for, the miners?

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or the power sources?

rigid knoll Oct 24, 2019, 9:48 PM

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miners are the one thing that you technically are limited on, though the map has enough that in practice there's always more. They're usually also the thing it is the most hassle to increase though, so it's still a good rule of thumb that they're the first priority

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particularly rare resources like crystal or cat

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 9:49 PM

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I only got up to coal to pick up

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and coal is pretty abudant

rigid knoll Oct 24, 2019, 9:50 PM

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in general it's just whichever would be most annoying for you personally to build more of (and do the splitting/merging needed), since that's what it's saving you

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 9:51 PM

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maybe I should worry about unlocking all tech first?

rigid knoll Oct 24, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I mean, feel free to use power shards whenever you need more of whatever and expanding would be annoying or slow - you can always grab the shards later

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just keep in mind that they're worse for power than building more, so if you use them everywhere you'll need to spend time building more power generation and coal mining

glossy patrol Oct 24, 2019, 10:01 PM

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that is a handy flowchart, thanks for sharing that one

eternal slate Oct 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

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I use powershards early to boost up the generators to get enough for initial production setup
and later on will boost mining speed (after I get enough material/tech for mass production)

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Hey, i am working on a video teaching how to plan, build, expand a computer factory

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here is a sneak peek, what you guys think of the format? I start the video overlaying me planning the factory on a drawing board

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like that!

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and then replace the ugly 'font' I use to a nicer version of the project

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I am putting a lot of love on that video! hope ppl enjoy it

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 1:53 PM

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I'd leave most of the planning for online tools tho

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also, please use alternate recipes for planning 😄

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otherwise it looks good

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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yeah, the idea is to teach ppl HOW to plan by themselves

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and the lack of alternate is that it is aimed for new players, I guess a veteran wouldn't need the video on the first place 😄 but yeah! tnx for the tips

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I teach Structural Mechanics IRL, so I head that 'leave it for the tools' all the time! lmfao 🙂

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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even new players should use alternate recipes

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they are just so good

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it's nothing advanced

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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agree! but it is a pain to get them if you don't have jet-packs haha

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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disagree. most of them are on the ground

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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mmm, good to know, maybe i just suck at exploring haha

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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and they often have the items lying around as well

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maybe also depends on location, but a lot of them I found are on the ground or reachable by a few ladders

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:01 PM

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well, the idea of the video (possible video series) is to teach how to think, and not to be used as a formula to copy-paste. Do you think that would be cool?

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:02 PM

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anyway, I don't want to sound biased (I made some tools), but I think that planning via tools is just so much better for any players. Less chance to mess up math, you can easily check how big is the desired setup, etc etc

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Yeah, maybe I am just too old fashioned lol

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I believe ppl need to understand the mechanics before using the tools

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coz 99% of tools work as garbage-in-garbage-out, they always give the right answer as long as you know the right question 🙂

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But it is a good feedback! I could probably incorporate some tools on the videos too! thanks

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:05 PM

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that's a valid point. But you also want to know what's your target audience

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people with no math knowledge would probably make a mistake and then just use tools to do that for them

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people with math knowledge are usually smart enough to figure out stuff anyway and won't need a tutorial

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Yeah, I have no idea of my target audience tbh

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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but that may be just my point of view

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I am just starting on Satisfactory, would love to have some advices.. I wanna differentiate from the "let's" play style

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 PM

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I just made tools so people can use them. Basically a smarter calculator 😄

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Id love to do something with more depth...

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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well I usually give these advices:

don't build main bus
build separated factories, ideally modular ones
only overclock miners and pumps
get alts as soon as possible (ideally before you build production line for that item) and use them (well, most of them)
don't build massive storages, 1 ISC per item is usually more than enough, with exception of concrete (for when you want to fill large areas), depends on the size of your build and on what you want to build though.
you won't need more than one uranium node
don't use trucks, use belts or trains (trucks are just pain)
use transfer stations instead of trains with more than two stations
don't mix items on belts
don't mix items in freight car
99% of the time you don't need to balance belts, so you are fine with using manifolds

glacial hemlock Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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the great wall of main bus is usually what people built and show off

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I agree with all your points

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my first playthrough was main bus, with huge central factory.. now I just do small factories near the nodes.. it is MUCH better indeed

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:15 PM

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sure, for show off, main bus looks super nice. However I'm giving advices for efficient factories, not good looking ones 😉 although you can still make good looking factories with my points 😄

glacial hemlock Oct 25, 2019, 2:16 PM

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online tools are the most convenient way to go for, but back to the basics, it is the calculations that makes this genre of game fun for (we are not robots just to build factories according to the pre-calculated results.) So writing down step-by-step calculations for building simple factories, for audiences that are not familiar to the game, might be the correct way to present it.

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:16 PM

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I will save those points, so i can always highlight them on my videos. I already do for a few of them, but it is nice to have a clean list like that

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I'll maybe post them on reddit now when I put them together 😄

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@glacial hemlock I agree with that. However there's a lot of math going on and people often forget something. A lot of issues arised from pple using the in-game codex's recipes as a holy grail and built 4 times more smelters than they should

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:18 PM

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my first playthrough was a complete mess.. I was obseced with the idea of a flexible factory.. that I could simple change the configuration of the constructors/assembles/manufactures, swap a few belts, and I could easily reconfigure it for a diff product

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well... don't have to add anything to that..

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:19 PM

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not sure if the codex "bug" (not a bug actually) was fixed

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:19 PM

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what bug?

glacial hemlock Oct 25, 2019, 2:19 PM

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my first playthrough gets the computer running with all manual calculations😂

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of course not 100%

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:19 PM

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smelters and foundries have 4 crafting speed. So if an ingot takes 2 seconds to smelt, the recipe has 8 seconds crafting time

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codex shows the recipe crafting time, without considering the machine crafting speed (which is correct, but players don't account for that)

glacial hemlock Oct 25, 2019, 2:20 PM

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codex bug? like, quckwire?

wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:21 PM

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idk about that

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what I talk about are smelter and foundy recipes

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as I just wrote 😄

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:27 PM

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hmm, i had no idea, let me check that

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btw, sent you both friend request, hope u don't mind

glacial hemlock Oct 25, 2019, 2:28 PM

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sure.

rough furnace Oct 25, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I see

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wind spade Oct 25, 2019, 2:29 PM

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it may be fixed by now