#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 417

fierce ruin Jul 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Okay good to know

tame trench Jul 5, 2019, 10:00 PM

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you know what you can overbuild? NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS oh yeah 😄

ripe light Jul 5, 2019, 10:12 PM

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?????😱 😱

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fierce ruin Jul 5, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Something didn't clear

ripe light Jul 5, 2019, 10:14 PM

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not

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I'm scared

fierce ruin Jul 5, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Yeah checked both calcs that is accurate

ripe light Jul 5, 2019, 10:18 PM

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beautiful

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thanks for the site

hazy bolt Jul 5, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Is there any way to say "I don't need this bit" on that site? E.g. I don't need machines to make steel pipes because I already have those elsewhere

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Like I basically want to replace certain sections of these graphs with storages

fierce ruin Jul 5, 2019, 10:21 PM

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it just tells you want you need in which order to produce the final item

hazy bolt Jul 5, 2019, 10:22 PM

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oh actually i guess I could just stack the icons of everything i don't need to make it clearer

fierce ruin Jul 5, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Yep that works

hazy bolt Jul 5, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Still can't wrap my head around the heavy frame graph though 😢 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/596822774681436173/unknown.png

crude girder Jul 5, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Lmao graphs

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Just use a spreadsheet

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The numbers help visualise better and simpler than that gargantuan mess

hazy bolt Jul 5, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Nah I just wanna know what buildings to place where, I'm not too bothered about efficiency at this stage

stuck stratus Jul 5, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Dont forget; manifolds, manifolds everywhere

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Unless you're trying to stick to footprint restrictions, there's no need to get fancy with placement; just drop down lines of machines, run their belts, call it good

ripe light Jul 5, 2019, 10:30 PM

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I made such a table in my head and built it myself.

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and it is still difficult + boring to build it alone(

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but finding friends with my language is difficult (in this game)

tame trench Jul 5, 2019, 10:48 PM

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what 21 fuel rods per min looks like, (orange box are manufacturers xd)

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sturdy kernel Jul 6, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Hi guys, just joined this server and wanted to say "Hello" and stuff
Also after 40 hours in the game, tier 6 now, just found out you can easily upgrade conveyers with one click by selecting the desired MK, before i knew that i manually removed lines and placed the new ones lol

polar sleet Jul 6, 2019, 1:22 AM

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yeah best way to learn is to fiddle with everything. also assume convenient actions might exist. then get frustrated when they don't

hazy fossil Jul 6, 2019, 1:22 AM

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im trying to use the satisfactory caluclator but nothing is appearing when I enter my settings and the item i want

glacial hemlock Jul 6, 2019, 1:42 AM

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check pinned

orchid panther Jul 6, 2019, 1:52 AM

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@hazy fossil so you clicked ad an item and clicked the item ie iron ore then increased the quanity to more then 1?

drifting stone Jul 6, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Is there a good reason top teir belts are 900 instead of 960 than "because" it is frustrating that there is a small amount of inefficiency due to belts not being doubled in speeds at points.

undone scarab Jul 6, 2019, 6:22 AM

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@tame trench Hey what did you use to create that diagram? and do you have a higher Res?

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 7:32 AM

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can anyone help me, is there a way to make 4 merged copper smelters, go into 8 constructors

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 7:32 AM

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you merged all of the copper into one line?

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 7:32 AM

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yer

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 7:33 AM

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put it into the constructors the same way you got it out of the smelters

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 7:34 AM

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that doesnt work from what i have figured out

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https://i.imgur.com/Q2iKWEY.jpg

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nvm i might have got it

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:09 AM

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@drifting stone top tier belt is 780

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@valid forge it does work. The site just can't process it

errant pivot Jul 6, 2019, 8:14 AM

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does anyone know why this production planner https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner/index/index/ironPlate/120/maxBeltSpeed/60/minerSpeed/1;normal says this for values over 100? https://i.imgur.com/NQqWqqY.png

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

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valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@wind spade nah i worked it out, i had it all wrong

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Probably due to it's limitations @errant pivot

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@valid forge what was wrong?

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:23 AM

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@wind spade basically i had to run 2 splitters off of one

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for both sides

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Or you could build it like this ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:25 AM

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much confusion

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owell its working now 😛

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:32 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190706-103213_Chrome.jpg

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Like this

errant pivot Jul 6, 2019, 8:34 AM

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@wind spade thanks, just seems like it works over 100 anyway

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:35 AM

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@wind spade i mean yer that will work, but the way i have it is so ever machine is getting the right amount

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ill make a diagram thing

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@valid forge each machine gets the right amoun in my case as well

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:43 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/jIKcwPw.jpg

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but after that one splitter doesnt the first machine get 120 items/min

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Ryuk was trying to add in manifold support to be able to calculatr things like that, buy it seems to be quite the summit to climb.

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:46 AM

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the way i see it that picture you showed me the machines at the end have to wait abit

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:46 AM

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When you're making a manifold, each machine can only accept the amount of parts it needs a minute after saturation. It works out that as long as the input is high enough, the manifold will work

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Protip: you can cut down waiting times on manifolds by manually filling inputs

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:47 AM

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so basically its a stacking process

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:47 AM

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So, ryuk was focusing really hard on correct mixed splits, and wasn't able to implement manifold support, it may show up as not working, but it will.

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:48 AM

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so the only different between mine and his is that his is a stacking game and mine is pretty much 100% efficient from the start

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correct me if im wrong

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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👀

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Don't say that around greeny jacelul

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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hahaha

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Basically, equal splits are 100% efficient from the starr

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i dunno im just testing atm so was curious

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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But, they aren't expandable, at all

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i mean i completely get what greeny means

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:50 AM

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They take a lot of time, effort, space, etc...

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:50 AM

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i think i did that way back but i thought it wasnt as good

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tell me about it this took me a while to work out

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:50 AM

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@valid forge with manifolds the first machines work before any machine in an equal split

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Manifolds are a fair bit more useful than equal splits, to be honest

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They favor earlier inputs, if you have a deficit of materials, you'll have 8 machines working well, and 1 not, rather than 9 machines working without sufficient materials

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They are only capable if extracting as much material as is needed to run all of the machines, so you can belt out the excess

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And use it elsewhere, like coal for coal gens, or just storage.

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They're completely expandable as well, for when you get higher tier belts, just make it longer.

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Balancers are useful for splitting off raw materials to several manifolds in the correct ratio, not for supplying machines

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:53 AM

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@feral dew 8 working and one not should have the same output than 9 working most of the time

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:54 AM

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It isn't gaurenteed, machines have ramp up time. Maybe I'll test it in a bit

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For now, I'll assume not

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 8:54 AM

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so basically its the same for smelters, i should use a manifold system and pump as much iron into it as possible?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Also helps with powerspikes

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:55 AM

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from what i have seem it is not an significant difference

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powerspikes compactness, and expandability are imo the best reasons to argue for manifolds

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:56 AM

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And you can mix different machines/overclocking/recipes in one manifold

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Use a manifold, and pump just the right amount, unless you have reason to otherwise

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@wind spade bad

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Very, very bad.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Not really

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Incredibly bad, what if you have a shortage, you won't be making the right ratio.

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I went on a tirade against asd5a a bit ago on that

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:57 AM

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You don't have a shortage, mines don't run out

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:57 AM

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@fading berry you dont always need a fixed ratio on all products

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:57 AM

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It's simply a "bad practice"

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:58 AM

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With no real reasoning behind that, I can't agree with that

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 8:58 AM

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put low priority products on the end of a manifold (ie. nobelisks)

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Motors is the best example. Motors are 1x1 on stators and rotors, so if you have a single line making both rotors and stators. Say there's some belt problem, which there often is, that reduces your throughput

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Now, instead of making rotors and sators 1x1, it'll be 2x1, or something.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:59 AM

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But, rotors fill up and you are again making 1x1

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Manifolded

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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does anyone have a satisfactory manifold system video? just so i know wtf im doing

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Basically, if you just took the same amount of pipes and wire and split it into the correct ratio for two aeperate manifolds, you'll always be 1x1, even in a shortage

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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No, youtubers hate manifolds for some reason

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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They're all factorio nerds

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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they are too easy to explain

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:00 AM

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It's all balancers and buses

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"Largest bus"

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"Wow! 12x45 balancer"

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 9:02 AM

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well i guess it sucks for me i never got into factorio

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Factorio isn't very important here. This is the satisfactory discord after all

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@worthy maple what do you not understand about manifolds?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:03 AM

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@feral dew you still get 1x1 rotors and stators in the end

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Really? Even if your saturated machines stops halfway through the rotor line?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Yes, because the rotors will fill up

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:04 AM

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That's kind of horrifying of an outcome.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Thats the same as manifold

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Are you the type of person who makes giant sheets of lasagna for bases? 👀

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Anyway, belt problem is not that common and what you are saying is "I don't mix recipes on manifold because I can make a mistake with belts"

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That's super weird

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 9:07 AM

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i just realised i think im looking at your reddit post @wind spade on manifolds haha

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:07 AM

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^^

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:07 AM

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My supply line is one big manifold with different recipes

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Well, I do an awful lot with belts. I know very well just how much they like to not work properly

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Sure, but that doesn't make you lose 50%+ of production

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Even as an exaggerated example, I've stated my worry

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I'm no perfectionist, but it doesn't take any effort to just split one manifold into two, especially when they take the same resource

pseudo jay Jul 6, 2019, 9:11 AM

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i am worried: why does the alt turbomotor need a.i. limiters? are they alt turbomoters powered by little terminators working handcranks?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Well I can nicely alternate between stator and rotor machine and then put underclocked motor assembler to them. Would work nicely and I don't have to manifold rotors and stators

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:12 AM

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@pseudo jay I think it's an electronic motor, capable of self-correcting speed and torque

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So it'll need an onboard computer

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Worst case scenario, one motor machine isn't working on 100%

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:12 AM

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That's certainly a way to do it, but not how I've done it

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Probably because it tajes actual thought to do jacelul

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 9:13 AM

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I agree that it's not always useful to mix recipes, but it's not a bad practice either

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 9:16 AM

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Anyways, I guess two times is two too many to argue over mixed manifolds. I've got sleep to attend to anyways

valid forge Jul 6, 2019, 9:27 AM

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is a double manifold better in your opinion than single?

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Depends on where you use it

thorn knot Jul 6, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Hi guys. Which is the best practice to split one input line, carrying 210 copper ingots per minute, into two - 90 and 120? 4:3 ratio. Now i am using capacitor with two outs.

glacial hemlock Jul 6, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Capacitor?

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You need a manifold.

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I think he meant the ISC

thorn knot Jul 6, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I shall setup two manifolds on splited lines

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Capacitor - is cargo container

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:46 AM

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The best way to split it is to use a single splitter and build your machines correctly, so one side only consumes 90, and the other, 120

thorn knot Jul 6, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Done!

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Ez clap

drifting stone Jul 6, 2019, 9:57 AM

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@wind spade

📎 Screenshot_20190706-045657.png

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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@drifting stone not yet in the game, old info

drifting stone Jul 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Ah

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Wiki isn't the best source for some info

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Im looking into what alts to use, are there ones i should avoid?

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Alt screws, alt plastic

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:25 AM

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are all the other ones better than the normal one?

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 11:32 AM

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No, most are situational

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But often, they help increase machine productivity by 50%

stark yacht Jul 6, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Whats bad about the alt screws?

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 11:34 AM

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The fact that alts can remove screws entirely from the production chains

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So it becomes obsolete

stark yacht Jul 6, 2019, 11:36 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/true-dat-true-that-kourtney-kardashian-gif-5688898

Tenor

True dat

▶ Play video

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Thanks 😃

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Also the ingot->screw recipe doesn't save resources

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Alt motors are situational as well

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 11:37 AM

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I think that one's a no-go for me too

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Anything that adds more oil should be avoided, as oil is the biggest bottleneck

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:38 AM

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so i should use almost every alt but not the ones that use oil?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Well other than alt motors there isnt many alts that increase oil xonsumption

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:39 AM

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okay

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im tryna use your calc but i need to select what alts to use so xd

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:39 AM

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The best is always to decide based on your resources available

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Use the alt recipe analyzer tool for that

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:41 AM

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o thanks didnt see that

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:41 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/blqpym/ever_wondered_which_alternate_recipe_is_best_for/

r/SatisfactoryGame - Ever wondered which alternate recipe is best ...

74 votes and 36 comments so far on Reddit

rare cloud Jul 6, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Das a looong post

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 11:44 AM

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thanks man

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limited to 8 😦

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need 9 haha'

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 11:47 AM

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i would love to see a list of the amounts of constructors and buildings it takes to have a box being filled with one type of resource at 100% effinciny

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Theoretically you just need one building for each item

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 11:53 AM

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yes but how many constructors is that how much iron and copper and other things do you need comming in to produce

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:53 AM

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As I said, one for each item can be enough. Depends on how much do you want to produce

stark lichen Jul 6, 2019, 11:54 AM

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What size belt do you think would be ideal for designing most factories? Always the largest or MK4 and leave room for expanding to mk6?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Mk5

stark lichen Jul 6, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Reasoning? To double?

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Like design around 600 resources?

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 12:01 PM

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always use the fastest belt, however when u need to bottleneck an input to 60 it can be useful to use mk1

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 12:01 PM

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ohh i realise i spoke porly like i always do lol
i ment with one of each resource as in one of each and everything you can build with constuctors like
1 ai inhiditor
one turbo generator

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so on and so forth

stark lichen Jul 6, 2019, 12:13 PM

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I should have said resource amounts.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 12:29 PM

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@limpid bobcat yeah, you can underclock to achieve 100% efficiency

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 12:34 PM

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ya but thats not what i was asking lol nvm

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 12:39 PM

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Ur asking to fill a box at 100%

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but howmuch is that? 60/min? 120/min?

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u can fill a box at 1 item per minute

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 12:40 PM

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i was asking for how many constructors and other building objects you would need to have to build one of everything in the game with it ending in a box of one of everything in the game

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 12:40 PM

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1

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you can fill a box with 1 item per minute

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but you can also fill a box with 120 items per minutew

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 12:41 PM

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speed is not the issue

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 12:42 PM

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the speed determines the amount of constructors etc you need

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 12:43 PM

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thats why i said at 100%

sturdy glen Jul 6, 2019, 12:50 PM

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So lads

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What's the most efficient ratio of locomotive : car

tame trench Jul 6, 2019, 1:00 PM

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@undone scarab I used an excel sheet I tried draw.io but I didn't like it xd, I could send it to you if you want

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 1:03 PM

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@limpid bobcat 100% of what?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 1:04 PM

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clockspeed efficiency

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Those are two different things

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Clockspeed and efficiency

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 1:17 PM

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you cant have efficiency without the clockspeed
by all reasoning you want 100% efficincy at all times so when you ask 100% of what i failed to put in the & because 100% for clockspeed & efficiency

undone scarab Jul 6, 2019, 2:09 PM

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@tame trench sure I liked the color choices!

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@limpid bobcat nobody understand what the f*** ur saying

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Swearing is a-okay!

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But any words that are nsfw aren't :c

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 2:50 PM

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can we just take a moment to thank Greeny for the awesome tools?

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❤

crude girder Jul 6, 2019, 2:50 PM

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evildoggo

ripe light Jul 6, 2019, 3:58 PM

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how good is that there is no physics

📎 Screenshot_11.png

tame trench Jul 6, 2019, 4:07 PM

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imagine if there was xd

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 4:09 PM

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rip my skybase that covers half the world

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Who chose the ratios for crystal osc? wtf are these

tame trench Jul 6, 2019, 4:19 PM

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wait till you do uranium fuel rod lol

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Am doing that haha but ned these crystal osc for them'

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@limpid bobcat efficency is displayed ingame in % and is based on how much time a machine is running

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So if a machine is running at 50% efficency, it only runs half of the time. But if you underclock the machine to 50%, then it runs at 100% again

glacial hemlock Jul 6, 2019, 5:11 PM

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if your target is just to fill the containers, don't care about ratio or anything, just build a single machine for each item and run the game for 100 years.

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else, use the calculator. Check the pins.

snow fog Jul 6, 2019, 5:34 PM

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am i wrong or is the alternate: crystal computer now better than the alternate: quickwire computer?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:35 PM

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so thats is why i said clockspeed efficency AT 100%

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as for the calculator i tried and all i did was cause issues and nearly broke my computer

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:44 PM

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@limpid bobcat there is "clockspeed" and there is "efficency". There is no "clockspeed efficency"

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:44 PM

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BOTH AT 100%

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:46 PM

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That seems like a weird requirement. Why are you forcing 100% clockspeed? Underclocking is a great tool to help you with 100% efficency

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:46 PM

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so, a standard unclocked machine working normally?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@snow fog it always was

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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ok so lets have everything produce at 1% then clockspeed that solves all problems you see why i said it now

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:49 PM

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👀

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yeah, sure.

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By all means, there isn't anything wrong with having 100x the machines at 1% clockspeed, as long as your computer can handle it

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it's the most power efficient way to do things

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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i dont think that would work lol

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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why not?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:50 PM

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it would cover the map most likely XD

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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We have 3D space

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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map's huge. It definitely wouldn't

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Also, nobody said anything about 1%. But why not underclock to match certain ratios?

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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^

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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cause i want the exsess

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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do you perhaps want excess stators as well?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Excess iron ingots?

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:52 PM

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If you want excess, then plan it out. If you don't want excess, then what's the problem with just matching ratios.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:52 PM

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if that happens within a build that builds the reuired number to have everything the builds iron ingots then yes

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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When I make RIPs, I'll have a line of 60 ppm iron plates and 4 lines of 90 ppm screws, and then just underclock every assembler to 75%, so it's satisfied by a single belt of screws

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Fyi you will waste over 50% of resources for the excess

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:53 PM

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and how do you work out that 50%

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:54 PM

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But sure, make 200 ingots per minute tp stprage

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@limpid bobcat I did the math

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:54 PM

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nonsense, who does math in #math-and-meta

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:55 PM

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It's average from 3 endgame products production lines when allowing only 100% overclock and 100% efficency

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:55 PM

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so your saying that you cant use that excess to use in the later for 50% means that if it requires 200 ingots per minute 50 of them ingots are not used which means that you will only need 2 iron nodes for the hole game

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:55 PM

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HMFs, SCs an motors (was beforecurrent patch)

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@limpid bobcat roughly 300 machines, but it depends on your hard drive set up.

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I think it's a lost cause greeny

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@limpid bobcat you need to calculate the excess, why not calculate the production lines instead?

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 5:57 PM

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and whether you're doing ammo, not including nuclear.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 5:58 PM

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ya powers anoying with bigger builds if you dont do nuclear

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 5:59 PM

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It just means an F ton of oil gen , like 30,

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I want to, hope to , stick to oil, since one cannot simply destroy nuclear waste. without killing dogos.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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all i am wanting is a number of how many constructors and the other two which the name excapse me how many ore per minute of the ones actualy being processed to make one of every component in the game currently at 100% clockspeed with 100% efficincy i dont want it under

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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I would rather have untapped nodes than dozens of storage containers with some weird excess number of items.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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for the calculator wont work for me for some reason

tired wave Jul 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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you considered full containers...

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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i am planning for the future

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:01 PM

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greeny's site will do it, Select machine instead of items/min and add extra machine/s as needed.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Then use a calculator and build what it gives you, because that's the most efficent setup you can get

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Start with highest level (turbo motor), and go down as needed

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Containers will fill up anyway and you will lose the efficiency

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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^^ but once they fill, the power needed goes down.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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finew then i will spend the hours doing the math to work this out

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:04 PM

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You have given some useless requirements. Ofc you need to do math

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@limpid bobcat https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/calculator

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:04 PM

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it DOSENT WORK FOR ME

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Is super useful since it goes by machine.

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Whats not working?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:05 PM

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THEN SAY WHAT'S WRONG INSTEAD OF USING CAPS

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 6:05 PM

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CAPS DOES NOT FALL UNDER so on and so forth

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:05 PM

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i dont know its not like i have said it 4 times

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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You didn't said anything about what is not working

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Is the site not loading? can you not add items?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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my computer ligit will close the webpage everytime i bring it up

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for the calculator wont work for me for some reason
i am planning for the future

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Now, That is different than user error.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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ligit what i just said

tired wave Jul 6, 2019, 6:06 PM

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i realy wonder what kind of brpowser your using, like 5 y old etc

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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naa just chorme

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/?preview=9dimpQxOHf

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Try anthors, a little more work but not just by hand.

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https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner/index/index/pumpSpeed/1;pure

Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Open the link, click "preview mode" > edit and it will work

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:08 PM

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@wind spade I think killer can't access your website at all.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:09 PM

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what the hell?

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:09 PM

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?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:09 PM

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why dose that fix it

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@limpid bobcat because the links have stock builds, you don't automatically have edit ability @wind spade this is why there needs to be a help page for scrubs (self included) on that site.

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@wind spade Please , Please add one...

feral dew Jul 6, 2019, 6:11 PM

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write a book

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Because you added 100000 items before and now it takes time to caculate and your browser takes time to do it. If you let it, it would work. But you killed it before it finished calculating.

The preview I sent you is empty tool, so there are no calculations. Because you clicked edit, you loaded it instead of your previous saved build

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@mint lagoon what are you talking about?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:13 PM

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no before i never even got that far it ligit would load the page with the production up and then chrome would close

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Because you loaded the empty build, not your saved production line

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And chrome is probably set to kill pages that use a lot of CPU

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:17 PM

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@wind spade the preview button is not immediately noticeable, So when I first loaded your site I couldn't figure out how to edit stuff and instead of coming here and asking, I just accepted that your tool was limited to only the production lines you set up. It seemed for a minute Killer had the same issues.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:18 PM

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the moment i pressed the production button it would close well used to i dont know whats changed

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:18 PM

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But I had not futzed around with it enough to check out the preview button...

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:18 PM

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@mint lagoon well but that means you clicked a preview link instead of a normal one

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:19 PM

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@wind spade I clicked the link you sent me?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:19 PM

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so your saying this hole time its because the link i had was linked to some massive constrution

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basicly

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:20 PM

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@limpid bobcat again, you had a big production line saved. That took a lot of CPU.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:20 PM

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give me a minute i need to go not kill a firend

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Clearing cache/anonymous window/different device works as well

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@mint lagoon in the pins, there is no preview link

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I never send preview links to pple that ask for my tool

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Also, adding help section is useless, since pple don't read stuff

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(See the preview link issue just now)

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:25 PM

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@limpid bobcat chrome's fault, not greeny's I suggest keeping a list in a seperate place, paper , word as you go through the line so you don't have to keep the higher level stuff upon subsequent loads. @wind spade I can't convince you what I remember you can't convince me what you remember, but i will say I (I , not "people") would've read the help section first if I could've, instead of trying to bug you.

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:27 PM

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ya looking at the link greeny sent and the one i have it makes sence now so to why it didnt work

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:28 PM

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@limpid bobcat Also do seperate production lines.

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ok, issue solved internet fight over?

limpid bobcat Jul 6, 2019, 6:30 PM

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there was no fight just a misunderstanding i think

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 6:30 PM

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mmkay.

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I find that doing the highest level machine at 100% then rounding the items up to the next 100% machine for each lower level is typically enough , esp. since the storage will fill up first.

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I add more screws and conveyor belt parts to the list since , when I hand craft things or do a single line manufacturer , I completely wipe out my 960/min screw storage.

strange hawk Jul 6, 2019, 7:14 PM

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can someone help me? the wiki says that you can at max have 84/min nuclear fuel rods and they each burn for 5 minutes so you can have 450 nuclear plants. but shouldnt it be 420 nuclear plants?

tame trench Jul 6, 2019, 7:29 PM

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it is 420 at 100 consumption

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100% consumption, but youll never get there so might as well do less production and more nuclear powerplant just to show off xd

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 7:34 PM

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is there a tool that will tell me i need x fuel generators with y turbo fuel/min for z power?

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oh, greeny does something close to what I wanted.

wind spade Jul 6, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Well you need to provide one of the numbers to get the other two

mint lagoon Jul 6, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@wind spade That's what I meant I had z power listed from your website, Needed to find a tool to find x generators and y turbo fuel. Also I found it on your site when I said you had one, found it under "tools" Didn't know how much I could alter at the time..

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:52 AM

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This chat has been quiet all day

empty hemlock Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 AM

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it's sunday, not mathday

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Lmao my Sunday is nearly over

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 9:25 AM

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I'm on vacation lol

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Then what are you doing on here?

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Mobile data

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 9:37 AM

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🤦
Go enjoy your time off and avoid this place, it sucks you in so you can never leave

neon pier Jul 7, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Every day is maths day...

loud hedge Jul 7, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Whats the coal burn rate of a coal plant at full tilt

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My maths aren't coming out right but they are all hovering around 10 coal a minute

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 10:01 AM

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1 every 5 seconds at 100% usage

loud hedge Jul 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Ah, So 12 coal a minute, Thank yee

strange hawk Jul 7, 2019, 10:03 AM

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isnt it 5.4 second?//

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM

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5 was close enough

strange hawk Jul 7, 2019, 10:04 AM

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😉

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Mind you Compacted coal burns a piece every 12 seconds

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 11:32 AM

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You can check it at https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/power

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

iron python Jul 7, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Close enough is never close enough in this channel 🤔

crude girder Jul 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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It is, actually

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Until the game gets better, close enough is good enough

strange hawk Jul 7, 2019, 1:36 PM

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some people like to play the game in a way that every single input needs to be correct

iron python Jul 7, 2019, 1:41 PM

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If you want to settle for less, sure I guess 🤷

marble charm Jul 7, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Ikr. Some people want close to 1:1 production efficency

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Its really fun when it all works out

glacial hemlock Jul 7, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Try to work out a 100% nuclear fuel setup with all alts if you can.

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The current end game items are NFRs and TBs

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With TB slightly more complex than NFR

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 2:56 PM

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100% nuclear setup? Just put 1 nuclear rod to any tool and you'll get it

sick yarrow Jul 7, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Is there a easy way to calculate how many resources my train can transporte per minute? I thought of stopping the time it takes for the train to make one round and then calculate the items/min with the amount of freight cars that are added to the train.

rapid turret Jul 7, 2019, 4:50 PM

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that would interest me to

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 4:52 PM

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My post about trains has some similar numbers

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/c78bo0/satisfactory_saturday_spam_6_choo_choo_train_tips/

r/SatisfactoryGame - Satisfactory Saturday Spam #6 - Choo Choo! Tr...

64 votes and 20 comments so far on Reddit

sick yarrow Jul 7, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Thanks, I will have a look at it

strange hawk Jul 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@wind spade i just want to thank you once more for the awesome post haha just what i needed

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 7:03 PM

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lol np

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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How would one make a balancer that goes from 7.75 to 10 x_x

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:02 PM

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manifold is the way to go 😉

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just merge everything to one belt and then split fro that belt to every machine

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:03 PM

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that's impossible because the belt is 100% full

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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wait, so you have 7.75 belts?

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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hold up nvm, i've figured out how to do it. (it's for train input) I can just put them directly to the cargo station and make an overflow to an empty cargo station

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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if the belt is full, you don't need to balance it 🤔

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:05 PM

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I wanted to evenly balance 8 belts to 10 train stations

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I realize I could use 4 to 5 balancers now

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im stupid but writing stuff down always does the job apparantly lmao

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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you can manifold stations the same way as you manifold machines

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😄

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but I would rather make 10 non-full belts at the place where you make 8 full belts

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so I don't have to balance it at the end

tame trench Jul 7, 2019, 8:08 PM

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🇲 🇦 🇳 🇮 🇫 🇴 🇱 🇩 🇸 :

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:08 PM

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unless it's ore, then ofc you can't do that easily

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:09 PM

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death to manifolds 👀
Greeny if you want to have a look I made a basic game guide of some of the most common questions, I can add some links to stuff you have written about if you want me to to help new players

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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@fierce ruin we can talk in DM about that to not clutter this channel. I will be happy for any help

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:19 PM

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It's probably easier to manifold because I've gotta bring iron from from all over the Dune Desert and I'd rather try to keep it a bit tidy.

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:24 PM

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I would just stick with X freight cars, where X = number of input belts

fierce ruin Jul 7, 2019, 8:26 PM

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that would mean I wouldn't be able to make full use of all the iron in that region, idk.

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I might just make an overflow system.

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and from that point see what i've got to work with back at central HQ

wind spade Jul 7, 2019, 8:30 PM

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why wouldn't you?

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just put ISC before each platform and connect it with two belts.

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what do you mean by that?

tacit scroll Jul 7, 2019, 9:24 PM

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The simple answer for train cap/min is that it can't be greater than what's feeding the station.

wild fractal Jul 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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So guys I've been doing some thinking and I just realized something. You might've already discovered this but I just wanna make sure you guys know. It is impossible to evenly split a single belt into a number a belts that can't be represented by multiplying 2's and 3's together. For example, you can't split one belt into 5, 7, 11, or any other primes because they can't be represented by 2's and 3's. It's specifically 2 and 3 because that's the number of outputs that splitters have. You also can't split one belt into 10 because that would require a 5 and 2, so it can't work. You probably found this out already but I was working so hard trying to evenly split one belt into 10 and I thought I might say this to save people time who are trying to do similar things. Also, please correct me if I am wrong.

magic eagle Jul 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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1-10 "https://satisfactory.tash.fyi/12"

wild fractal Jul 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Oh, well I was talking about only using splitters. I'm not sure how perfect those balancers are so I tend to not use them.

tacit scroll Jul 8, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Yep, the dreaded "run the odd line back into the feed" thing.

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 1:24 AM

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@wild fractal they're perfectly balanced.

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Pretty much anybody who has tried to work out balancers of any kind would have noticed that that you can only split in multiples of 2 and 3, but running a loop back into the system works perfectly well, as long as you've designed it properly

wild fractal Jul 8, 2019, 1:45 AM

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@feral dew Okay, thanks

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Can someone send me a screenshot of a balance concept using manifolds of 1800 ipm to fully-saturated belts with the remaining extra on a 3rd belt if needed?

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Basically consolidating outputs into fully saturated ones that fit the MK 5 belts. Outputs are 600 ipm each.

crude girder Jul 8, 2019, 2:05 AM

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So, 3 outputs, mk5 belts, you want 2 fully saturated and 1 for the left over

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Correct. @crude girder

crude girder Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Have the middle output split 3 way, the sides merge with the other 2 outputs

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The front of the split should be the left over

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Wouldn’t that get tricky with only 780/m capacity and due to the non-priority nature of splitters, there could be some backlog?

crude girder Jul 8, 2019, 2:15 AM

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probably

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 2:19 AM

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There’s gotta be a way to manifold it all

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 2:44 AM

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@wild fractal haha great findings.

cursive umbra Jul 8, 2019, 3:10 AM

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What's the best bang for the buck when it comes to using your power shards?

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(or conversely - the worst thing to use them on)?

sand venture Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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I mean, 250% is 250%, regardless of the machine

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Worst thing is power generators, best thing is miners and smelters

sand venture Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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But yeah, miners and pumps are the 2 most important users

cursive umbra Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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ok - I thought I'd remembered reading something about power generators, but I couldn't remember if it was good or bad. 😃

sand venture Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Smelters not IMO as cheap and small. Oil refineries benefit a lot more

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Best is to overclock anything that is limited by the map configuration. Worst is to overclock the thing but getting diminishing return while practically no benefits.

mint lagoon Jul 8, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I overclock Fuel gen, oil pump and the Last manufufactor of a resource.

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Oh and rare/ overused miners.

fringe citrus Jul 8, 2019, 6:08 AM

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on electrical generators, how can you tell how much resource it uses over a time period. like how much coal is being used by the coal gen per minute.

minor shadow Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 AM

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once its operating it will tell you underneath its inventory.. coal plants burning coal use one every 5.4sec

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it won't tell you before then because some generators can use multiple different fuels... ie biofuel burns a lot longer than leaves

fringe citrus Jul 8, 2019, 6:10 AM

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so only 1 actual coal per 5.4sec. awesome. wasn't sure if thats what it meant or how many it uses in that time etc. thanks

empty hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 6:12 AM

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also it's usage percentage * normal fueltime as it automatically scales down if you do not use everything

fringe citrus Jul 8, 2019, 6:12 AM

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roger that

minor shadow Jul 8, 2019, 6:14 AM

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for reference that means a mk2 mine on a normal coal deposit will run 10 power plants at full load (but as its 10.8 you'll get away with 11 in the real world), while a mk2 on a pure node will yield 21 (but for the same reason I build 22, or 1100MW, 2200MW with Mk3 or 2 overclockers but make sure you have belts fast enough)

onyx plaza Jul 8, 2019, 7:13 AM

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With the current bauxite positions, if you were gonna make an alclad/heatsink mega base, where would you build it (to try and avoid running everything miles across the map)

white jewel Jul 8, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Well build it between quartz and bauxite. I personally put it to the crater field, quartz i use is on the clifs in the NW and bauxite in south red jungle.

fringe citrus Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 AM

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i just like to run everything to one place

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 10:38 AM

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This is not an issue anymore, you have the train.

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And trains setup is supercheap!

errant bane Jul 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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what sort of consumption does the nuclear reactor use

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how many rods per minute

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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1 rod per 5 minutes at 100%

errant bane Jul 8, 2019, 11:14 AM

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what range does nuclear affect you

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 11:15 AM

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the more you produce the bigger the area not sure on exact distance

modest linden Jul 8, 2019, 11:42 AM

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how do you use manifolds when the input on a line of machines is greater than the belt capacity, but it also does not divide evenly into the machines. (ie I have 13 machines on 2 belts that are maxed)

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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split the 2nd belt in two and merge them as the "main" belt is running out

modest linden Jul 8, 2019, 11:44 AM

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that makes sense, so just merge midway or whatever when supply drops

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Heya, new player since yesterday. I got 2 plans for today, one for Iron to Reinforced and then Copper to wire / cables. I gonna think about modular frames and co soon too, I just got to T4 yesterday.
Can someone take a look at the satisgraphory settings and tell me if it is okay or if I should build it someway another? :)

Iron Plates: https://satisgraphtory.com/#MTgwbXJ6

Copper: https://satisgraphtory.com/#MWJxNXZq

satisgraphtory.com

Satisgraphtory | Factory Building Graph Simulation

Feature-rich factory optimization and calculation tool for Satisfactory game

satisgraphtory.com

Satisgraphtory | Factory Building Graph Simulation

Feature-rich factory optimization and calculation tool for Satisfactory game

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:23 PM

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I would suggest using alterante recipes, if you have them. Stitched Iron Plates and Iron Wire are the best starting ones and will help you with your production drastically

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Don't have them yet, just started playing yesterday 😃 I guess I get them through hard drives?

cedar basin Jul 8, 2019, 1:25 PM

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all alt recipes are through HDDs

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:26 PM

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yeah, you can get them through HDDs. You only get the choices based on your current tier, so the earlier you research the first HDDs, the less choices you have (and both SIPs and Iron Wire are available in the first tier, so it's easier to get them early)

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 1:26 PM

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ATM I'm Tier 4

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:30 PM

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with the two alternates, you drop the cost of 1 reinforced iron plate to almost 50%

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Oh wow, thats quite something. Gonna find a new place for the main factory today, I think I saw something with 4 Iron and 2 Copper close by somewhere

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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just as a reference:

📎 unknown.png

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(raw costs for 1 reinforced iron plate)

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Thank you, thats helpful

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:37 PM

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you can generate that table on your own using my tool https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/alternate-recipes

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Anyone else keep forgetting the power cost of train loading/unloading and blacking out their factory?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:40 PM

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wait, train stations no longer have constant draw?

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 1:41 PM

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The station yes

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:41 PM

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platforms?

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 1:41 PM

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The loading platforms, specifically when loading/unloading, spike in power usage

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The cost can be amortized since they're not active very often but you do need to have the extra capacity

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:42 PM

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so they don't draw power unless they load/unload? or they draw even more power and have the constant draw as well?

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I'm not sure I'd have to measure it more carefully

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:43 PM

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last info I have is that they have constant draw of 50 MW (both stations and platforms, not empty platforms tho) and loading/unloading doesn't change that. If you could measure it for me (e.g. hooking it up to one geothermal gen separated from main power network), I will be super happy

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Yeah I'd have to get it to activate so might take a little more than 200MW

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Im at work of course might look at it later tonight

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:44 PM

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yeah, no rush. I'm just interested if it changed, since it's different from what I last heard

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:46 PM

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So alternate recipes are better?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:47 PM

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not always. But generally yes.

There are a few exceptions, that are almost always bad:

plastic (always)
both alt screws
alt motors (mostly)

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and then there are a few others, that change the required raw resources (e.g. add oil or caterium), so that's up to the player to decide, if they want to use them

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Ah okay. Thank you :)

umbral scarab Jul 8, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Dang, I didn't realise Alt motors were bad. I thought the pure iron ingot screw alt was decent too!

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:49 PM

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but most of them do decrease the raw materials costs, that's why I made the tool, so the player can see themselves, which ones are better for him

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@umbral scarab it's bad since ther are alts that get rid of screws entierly. So there is no point of wasting HDD for alt, that will be useful for a few hours only

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Nice to know

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😋 😋

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:50 PM

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you can read about the screws here (yeah, it's also my post 😄 ): https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/bzcqid/satisfactory_saturday_spam_4_screw_screws/

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it's a bit longer read, but basically shows, that you can get rid of screws and that alt screws recipes are useless

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also, the ingot->screw alt doesn't save any resources

umbral scarab Jul 8, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Yeah, I've read it (big fan of your posts btw), but after I'd moved my factory to the Gold Coast & made a fudge tonne of screw lines & then balanced them... I can imagine you cringing haha. Since then, I built around the entire factory & ignored screws completely.

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But as I had way too many in storage containers & didn't have that many steel pipes, I decided to use the standard Rotor recipe along with the screw stockpile.

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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yeah, so screws are only relevant in the early game, and there you have 2 better recipes (Iron Wire and Stitched Iron Plates), that are also useful for lategame, so yeah, I don't feel like picking alt screws is a good idea. But ofc I can't blame people for doing it. When I first saw the recipe (it was even before the website started), I thought that it's a great recipe too. It's only after I spent 100s of hours doing the game math (instead of playing the game lol), that I can see how dumb I was 😄

cedar basin Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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im in dire need of help when it comes to using trains with ratio calculation

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I wish a can understand your post but My englisch is so bad

umbral scarab Jul 8, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Fair, I can see why it's not worth using them for most people. But I think the one benefit (for me at least) is that screws make the iron rod production line worthwhile.

cedar basin Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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you are german @uncut pine

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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well, there's not much I can do about that 😦 I can only write the post in czech, but that's probably not what you want 😄

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Yea

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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you can try google-translating the post to your language, but tbh I'm not sure how well it would work

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Nah no czech😅

cedar basin Jul 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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use deepl.com, best translator

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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But i dont understand your sheets With the Ressources so

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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@umbral scarab well, that's only in the case, when you make a production of items and then think what to do with them, instead of planning for the future and already knowing how many rods do you need 😄

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oh, the tables? They are now colored in my tools, I may need to replace the images on the post

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Ah okay 😋

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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basically every row is one combination of recipes, the tick means that the recipe is used and the "X" means that it's not used. The numbers mean how many raw materials do you need for 1 of the product

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I use in my 100 hour play only Original recipes

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So maybe i Switch them

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:02 PM

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example:

📎 unknown.png

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so without any alterante recipes, you need 12.0 iron ore to produce 1 reinforced plate (this table is for RIP)

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Yea this i understand

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:03 PM

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if you only use Stitched Iron Plate alternate, you need 7.3 total resources (4 iron ore and 3.3 copper ore) for it

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ah ok, so what it is that you don't understand? 😄

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Nah now with the colours is better to understand😥

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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ok, just for you, I'll remake the images and edit the post 🙂

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:04 PM

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So i Can craft the iron wire with alternate recipe with 6.2 iron right?

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So i understand the second line now but the rest and the Last not really

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 PM

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well, not exactly. Each line shows the raw resource costs of 1 reinforced iron plate

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Ahhhh

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Now

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When i use 3 items so are the Best way so

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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so for example, the 3rd row means, that if you use Iron Wire and Stitched Iron Plate, you need 6.2 iron ore and 0 copper ore to craft 1 reinforced iron plate (not directly of course, you need to craft ingots, plates, and wire, but in the end, it would cost 6.2 iron ore)

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Yea ok

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Now i makes click in My head😅

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:09 PM

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yeah, using all alternate recipes is best in terms of total consumption, but you also need copper for it. So if you only have iron, then you should use the Iron Wire + SIP combination, since it doesn't use copper

uncut pine Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Yea thx for the explain 😌

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:11 PM

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no problem

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anyway, I updated the post (https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/bzcqid/satisfactory_saturday_spam_4_screw_screws/) with the colored tables instead. Should be a bit more readable

r/SatisfactoryGame - Satisfactory Saturday Spam #4 - Screw Screws

74 votes and 33 comments so far on Reddit

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:15 PM

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I approve of the title

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Screw screws

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:16 PM

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yeah. Screw them

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Has anyone explored the performance impact of trains versus the conveyor belts they replace?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:24 PM

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why do you even ask lol https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/c78bo0/satisfactory_saturday_spam_6_choo_choo_train_tips/

r/SatisfactoryGame - Satisfactory Saturday Spam #6 - Choo Choo! Tr...

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there are two tables in the middle of the post

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I am talking about FPS, not throughput

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:25 PM

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ah

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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(theath on throughput is easy)

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I don't think that is something that can be calculated tho

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since everybody has a different PC

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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That's why I said "explored"

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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and they are changing the game with every update

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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It's a thing to measure

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Yeah

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:27 PM

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well for example I got different results on my laptop with belts vs trucks than most of the other people

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so it's even hard to measure

pseudo jay Jul 8, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Okay

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Whatcha think about this one with 1 pure Iron Ore? https://satisgraphtory.com/#bzNvbGI%3D

satisgraphtory.com

Satisgraphtory | Factory Building Graph Simulation

Feature-rich factory optimization and calculation tool for Satisfactory game

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 2:58 PM

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if you would use stitched iron plate and iron wire, you can make 19.3 reinforced plates per minute instead 😄

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I really gonna need to get that blueprint

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I was thinking doing this build on 3 floors instead of one. First build on the bottom, second build on the first floor and the storage containers and ways to other build would be on the second floor, thoughts about that?

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I am building a straight test rail of 5.4km end to end, want to experiment with round trip time versus train length.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:27 PM

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I didn't measure my railways so I'm thinking I need to just time my round trips.

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I suppose I can get a good estimate of rail length for the longer one I made using resource ping since the track is almost straight

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Very tight loop, both directions run side by side for most of the trip.

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:30 PM

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after the update backward facing locomotive seems no longer provide thrusting force, I am going to verify it.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Also remind me never to wander all the way to the northeast desert before setting up base again. It was fun but it's a suboptimal location (though it has a good bit of pure iron hidden about). It's good for testing trains I suppose...

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I build skyrail, that's why I can get perfectly straight.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Literally I was like "hey I've never done grasslands spawn" "oh wait all this ore is impure" and just went on an adventure

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:32 PM

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grassland is actually a decent place to start with.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:32 PM

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I wanted a pure iron node and just kept walking until I found one lol

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Northern forest still best spawn

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 3:33 PM

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coal is nearby, oil is just over the beach, and almost unlimited irons.

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oh, ok...

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Maybe if I had gone somewhere other than north I would've found better quality iron sooner.

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On a related note, there seem to be phantom coal signals in the far northeast where I can't find any actual coal but the resource ping insists it's there.

strange hawk Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@patent bough almost all the ores in the desert dont show but they work when putting miner on top

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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I know but the coal specifically I couldn't find with E

strange hawk Jul 8, 2019, 3:46 PM

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I had to use them because they were the last deposits on the map for me

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i managed to place miner and they work

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 3:47 PM

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It wasn't where the pings showed and I wandered all over

strange hawk Jul 8, 2019, 3:47 PM

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there are also some floating invisible caterium ones

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almost every ore in there is missing

barren lagoon Jul 8, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Does someone here know the max gradient trains can travel up and down?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 3:54 PM

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the smaller ramp

barren lagoon Jul 8, 2019, 3:54 PM

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just looked on the wiki and its 1:2.322

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so yeah the smaller ramp ty 😄

warm trout Jul 8, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Whatcha think about this Alt Screw Reinforced Plate one? The Storage container on the left would be for additional projects where the Normal Iron Plates would be needed https://satisgraphtory.com/#dmhvN2o%3D

satisgraphtory.com

Satisgraphtory | Factory Building Graph Simulation

Feature-rich factory optimization and calculation tool for Satisfactory game

umbral scarab Jul 8, 2019, 4:10 PM

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If it involves screws, it's not efficient... To paraphrase greeny

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 4:18 PM

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@barren lagoon it is 1:2.322

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to build that, build a 3 meter height foundation, then build a 8x2 ramp. From the ramp, build two 8x4 foundations out then 1 up, build another 8x2 ramp on top. Build a short rail between these 8x2 ramps. From the last ramp, build seven 8x4 foundations out then 5 up, followed by a 8x2m then 8x1m foundation, then build a 8x2 ramp. From the ramp, build two 8x4 foundations out then 1 up, build another 8x2 ramp on top. Build a short rail between these 8x2 ramps.

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Between these short rails, build a longer straight rail in-between. Done.

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📎 capture.png

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Warning on trains going uphill: if your train is too long and has to go up for too long it will get stuck

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Ends up needing more energy to pull its own weight than the max energy draw

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Naturally I learned this the hard way

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Didn't happen until I had 10 or 11 freight cars

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 4:43 PM

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1:5 is a good ratio to go on. Even if your hills aren’t that steep.

patent bough Jul 8, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Anyhow flat train tracks are more efficient.

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Start building your track at the stop with the highest elevation and keep it there.

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Going uphill is slow and will impact your round trip times.

barren lagoon Jul 8, 2019, 4:47 PM

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god how hard are they copying factorio?

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yeah if you follow real life rules for trains you will have an effiecient train;
minimise changes in altitude, regardless of how small it might be
direct straight path > following the land
minimise short distance travel, the further the trip, the more effiecient the overall journey

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Id be super curious to know how power and intertia stack up in UE4 vs irl, sure they would be different but howe much so

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Heyo, say for a 1 to 5 balancer of 120 input, (24 output) would the "6th output" going back into the merger at the start effect the item per second output?

upbeat bane Jul 8, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I don't think so, or only by a small factor. make sure your belts are oversized (never exactly match)

glacial hemlock Jul 8, 2019, 5:45 PM

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🇲 🇦 🇳 🇮 🇫 🇴 🇱 🇩

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@tired ingot yeah, use manifolds where possible

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@barren lagoon if you forget the 3rd dimension, the trains are actually the same as in Factorio (they only go slower)

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 PM

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@wind spade Can you manifold using mergers? Like compressing things into as few belts as possible?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 PM

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yeah, the same way you split, you can merge

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 PM

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manifolds?

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 PM

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What do you do with the extra?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:09 PM

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@tired ingot ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ (- is belt, + is splitter)

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I'm trying a 100% efficient 4x modular frame production thats why

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it gets a little tricky when you go higher complexity

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https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/calculator?preview=h2zKIoEj1J

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@haughty quail there were some issues with merging to the belt speed in some circumstances, @feral dew does some research for that, if this changed or not, but if not, I wouldn't merge to max belt speed and leave a small gap (~10-20 ipm)

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@tired ingot yeah, use manifolds where possible (and I would also suggest using stitched iron plates and iron wire alternates)

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Hmm, interesting. I will keep that in mind.

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In the past I would manifold the outputs with little issue, not sure if it was consistently 100% efficient though

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:13 PM

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afaik it was in cases when the recipe had multiple output (like wire/quickwire)

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but it was before the end-of-June patch and they did changed some things with belts and splitters/mergers, so we are not sure right now, if it works or not

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Oh I see. Might be the issue of merging 1:1. Factoring in all the resources available on the map, would alt iron ingots be viable?

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Assuming I use all the alts for caterium and wire down the line

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I'm using stiched alternative

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not iron wire

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:17 PM

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@haughty quail that's a question mostly related to coppper. For copper, we have 3 uses:

qucikwire alt
alclad sheet
alt iron ingot
(and yeah, wire, but who does that really?)

On the map, there is more than enough copper to cover all caterium for quickwire and all alclad sheets, so we are left with some copper to use in Iron Ingot.
I'll find the numbers now and put them here, but the general answer is - as long as you don't need the coppper for caterium or alclad, pour it all into Iron. It's totally worth it

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@tired ingot I didn't see it on the shared build you posted

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Ah, I mistook stitched for the other alternative plates

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I don't have iron wires thats why

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:23 PM

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@haughty quail so, we have 21720 copper ore per minute available
we need 7120 of it for quickwire production (10680 max caterium -> 3560 caterium ingots)
we need 1485 of it for alclad aluminium sheets (7800 max bauxite + 6685.7 silica [2971.4 quartz + 1485.7 limestone] -> 2228.6 Aluminium ingots -> 2228.6 Alclad Aluminium sheets)
so we used 8605 out of 21720, which is roughly 40%

so you can put 60% of the copper to the iron ingot production and you should be fine.

Since you won't probably use the whole map, you should just go by the rule of thumb - prioritize using copper for quickwire and alclad and pour the rest into iron ingots

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@tired ingot yeah, the stitched are a bit better than the other alternate and also remove the need for screws (which is a good thing, screw screws)

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:24 PM

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yeah true, screws are an ass

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Guess its time to search for a hardrive to unlock iron wires and redo my balancers... yay...

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:25 PM

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or switch to manifolds 🤔

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Thank you @wind spade! My goal is to harvest from the entire map of nodes since that’s my only endgame goal now lol. I saw what you said earlier about nuclear power but I suspect when Quantum Tech or whatever is next comes out, it will demand much more power than we imagined.

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I still don't know what you mean by manifolds

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@tired ingot ---+---+---+---+---+

is belt

is splitter

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you build this instead of using balancers

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:28 PM

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but doesn't it fill the stuff at the end slower?

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:28 PM

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@tired ingot It’s the perfect solution because you can underclock machines toward the end of the line, unless you want to evenly underclock them all with the help of the production calculators in the pins. It also saves you so much space and effort

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Over time they fill all machines depending on how much you’re putting through the line and the combined demand of each machine hooked up to the line

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:29 PM

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@tired ingot it works because when the first machine gets filled with items, it fills the belt and most of the items continue to the next machine

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eventually every machine will just take what it needs since belts will be filled, so if you have at least the same input as the amount you need in the machines, all of them will run at 100%

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:30 PM

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mhmmm, idk I'll stick with balancers for now

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:30 PM

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their only disadvantage is, that they take a few minutes (depending on setup) to start working at 100%.

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advantages include:

faster build time
smaller footprint
expandability
you can have each machine under/overclocked differently and it still works
if you have less input than what you need, they produce less power spikes than balancers

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:31 PM

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This works great because you can manifold the outputs, and the devs were smart enough to do easy ratios on the outputs as well. For Quickwire and such, you can make multiple levels of output and it works well with belt buses. It’s also easily expandable once you get higher tier belts. You simply just expand down the line

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:32 PM

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it's of course your call, but the time it takes to fill isn't really that big (and you will probably build the next part of production line anyway). You can calculate the time using my tool site as well

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https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

haughty quail Jul 8, 2019, 6:33 PM

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And if you have extra input that is needed elsewhere, you simply run a belt off the end of the line and direct it back into your factory where needed.

tired ingot Jul 8, 2019, 6:33 PM

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neat tanks greeny 😃

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:34 PM

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if you are bored, you can also read my article comparing manifolds and balancers https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/btexf7/satisfactory_saturdays_2_balancers_vs_manifolds/

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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thanks for the machine fill link greeny was perfect to add to my post

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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that's old tool 😄 like a few months

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I'm wondering what do people do on my site, most of them seem like they never ever looked into the top menu

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I haven't tested merging yet, but now that items like to sometimes go on belts that shouldn't be allowed to take an item, I suspect that the merging issue may be resolved

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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good to know. I'll still wait for the official confirmation from you 😄

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 6:54 PM

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I'll do some testing when I have the time. I got someone's save which has the latest tier belts though, and as a considerably laggy world, it has some pretty different results than my non-laggy world.
I'm not sure which would be a better standard

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 7:03 PM

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@feral dew I have a no cost save you could potentially use for testing?

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 7:05 PM

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No cost, are you implying that some saves may require a small fee jacelul

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Lmao, no building cost

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It's a new save so you can just go with no research or tier unlock that need to be done

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Nah, I don't have any mods, and I don't really plan on getting any mods any time soon.

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But thanks

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 7:08 PM

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it's built into the save no mods needed

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Either way, I don't really care for stuff like that.

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Okay the offer is there if you change your mind

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 7:13 PM

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and also, the testing should really be performed on non-modded save, even though it shouldn't affect the belts, you never know

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Reminds me of that time when someone was complaining about trains not working, when they were using a no power mod.

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 7:18 PM

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rofl

jovial prism Jul 8, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Hello!

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First of all thanks @wind spade for the great work you did on the calculator!
I have a question.

Is there an opton where I can set my input (for example, 1 or 2 iron miner) and the desired output I want (for example, modular frames) without specifying the amount of modular frames per minute that I want. So the calculator would tell me what machines I would need for it, and how much output per minute I would get. Is that useful? Does it make sense?

Alternatively, I would like to ask on how to use the calculator more efficiently, if my question/approach is not the best

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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exactly the thing you asked for can be achieved with the Consumption tool

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you can read this if you have a few minutes spare https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/borl1d/consumption_tool_aka_i_have_20_iron_what_can_i_do/

r/SatisfactoryGame - Consumption tool a.k.a I have 20 iron, what c...

34 votes and 19 comments so far on Reddit

jovial prism Jul 8, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Oh wow, thanks a lot! Of course I have time, thanks a lot!

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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well, it's not exactly what you asked for, since you said you want to input miners 😄 but you can input the amount you get from the miners and you'll get the same result

jovial prism Jul 8, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Yes, thats absolutely perfect

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 8:26 PM

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and maybe I'll get a bonus point for the efficient usage of alternate recipes (it may or may not use the recipes based on what do you have and which recipes, it tries to maximize the output) 😄

jovial prism Jul 8, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Thats an insane work you have done, thank you

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Is there any way ingame to split conveyor belt streams not equally?
So for example getting 26,7 iron per min in one belt, 53,3 in another one, 8,9 in another one and 17,8 in another one. From a 120 iron/min stream

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 8:29 PM

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you can either do a super complex balancer that gives you the exact ratio (not recommended)
or you can use manifolds.

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manifold looks like this

📎 unknown.png

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(I have an article about balancers vs manifolds as well, if you want to read that 😄 but tldr is: apart from the initial time to fill, manifolds are better in every other way)

jovial prism Jul 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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So, having the machines fill their stock, and once they are filled they will start behaving properly

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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yeah. I have a tool to estimate the fill time (that's where the screenshot comes from)

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unfortunatelly, it won't work with variable consumption per machine, like you suggested, but you can get a pretty good estimate for "normal" manifolds there

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https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill

Satisfactory Calculator

A powerful Satisfactory calculator, filled with features, supports overclocking, alternate recipes, live map, power calculations, etc.

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you can also manifold manifolds 😄

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so in your case, if the belts go to rows of machines, you can make the 4 belts into separate manifolds and then split the items to the 4 belts using another manifold (or 1:4 balancer, it shouldn't matter much in this case)

manic hedge Jul 8, 2019, 9:30 PM

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how many rods does the Plant use a minute

fierce ruin Jul 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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1 every 5 minutes at 100% usage

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@manic hedge

manic hedge Jul 8, 2019, 9:47 PM

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aaaaaaaaaaa

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ty

wanton glen Jul 8, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@wind spade How do you handle manifold belt-speed bottlenecking?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:08 PM

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you merge other belts into the main belt whenever the main belt is running out of resources

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 10:08 PM

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injected manifold

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If you've only got 120 ppm belts, and every machine consumes 30 ppm, you can continue thr manifold indefinitely as long as you merge in another line every 4 machines.

wanton glen Jul 8, 2019, 10:10 PM

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But that injects a merger. At that point, why not just have a 1:4 split?

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as in a 1:4 manifold

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:10 PM

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not every example is that easy

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 10:10 PM

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If the machines take in many more resources than they put out

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:10 PM

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also, how would you upgrade to 6 machines?

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you would need to rebuild the balancer

feral dew Jul 8, 2019, 10:11 PM

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It can be more convenient to merge all of the inputs into one belt, and sinple have an injected manifold supplying them

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Typically, it's not a good idea to merge in packets of items, if you have 4 seperate manifolds, and you try to merge in all 4 if their outputs into a single line, it's possible that the mergers won't be able to merge to capacity

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So, it's safer to merge everything into 1 uniform evenly spaced line.

formal seal Jul 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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What's the Input/Output ratio between the top and the bottom Input/Output at a Industrial Storage Container?

orchid panther Jul 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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would be belt speed no?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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totally random and subject to change in any random event like autosave or lag

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ISC also seems to be prioritizing one output over another (and that is a subject to change as well)

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I don't recommend using it in any sort of balancing/splitting way

formal seal Jul 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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In my case it always prioritizes the bottom one and over time it's meh

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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we have confirmed cases where e.g. autosave changes the priority

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so I don't recommend relying on the priority thing

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even though it may work for one player/one pc, it's not reliable

formal seal Jul 8, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Wouldnt be 50/50 the simplest and fairest solution?

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 10:50 PM

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it would, but unfortunatelly that's not what ISC does

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I'd use ISCs for only these cases:

end product storage
buffer on a single belt
buffer before train station (from one belt to two belts to train station, to account for the loading time)

formal seal Jul 8, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Is there a way to automaticaly deleat items, if not smart/programmable splitters and trains make no sense if the production isnt the same as the intake. On belts the items just stay there and block and my train system gets bustet

wind spade Jul 8, 2019, 11:01 PM

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you shouldn't mix belts/freight cars

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and no, there is no way to automatically delete stuff

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@drifting musk

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the important part being the select switched to "machines"

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that gives you the amount 1 machine makes

drifting musk Jul 8, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Oh, dope

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:00 AM

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@shrewd yacht

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shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:01 AM

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hmm

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was it 80 game hours at full peak to fill a big container with waste?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:03 AM

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yeah, at full power draw. More realistic estimate is over 100 hours (with ~80% of draw)

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:04 AM

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can we fit the reactors in the caves at the nodes?

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never checked if there is space for a few

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they see massive on videos

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I doubt that. You also need the big processing facility for nuclear rods

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:07 AM

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looks like a 1:3 ratio

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:07 AM

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with alternate recipes yeah, 1 manufacturer can power 3 plants

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:08 AM

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pretty screwed on the quartz in my game

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can't get the alt for silica

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:10 AM

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didn't you forget to unlock the milestone for it, like that guy who was "sure, that his game is bugged"? 😄

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:12 AM

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checked and all tiers are grayed out

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so nothing to unlock

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all I get are the nuclear alts, steel beam > screws and concrete

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:13 AM

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had to ask, sorry. Had seen a lot of posts like this already 😄

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:14 AM

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using 33% more quartz atm due to this

orchid panther Jul 9, 2019, 12:14 AM

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did you scroll the teirs?

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I've checked many times to make sure

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the recipe didn't exist before this last patch and I didn't play experimental this round

orchid panther Jul 9, 2019, 12:15 AM

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did you mis click and unlock something else or are you looking on the wrong machine?

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:15 AM

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assembler should have it if it was unlocked

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:16 AM

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alt silica was there since April patch

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:16 AM

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what tier should it be at?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:16 AM

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oh idk that. I last played in February. Ask wiki 😄

orchid panther Jul 9, 2019, 12:17 AM

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same for me i just started playing over the holiday to play te new teirs

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playing again*

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:20 AM

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checked T4 as wiki says and it is not there

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:21 AM

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did you have it before this update?

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some people are reporting missing alternate recipes with the new update

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(but some of them reported, that relaunch solved the issue for them)

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 12:22 AM

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no idea, but doubht I unlocked anything I couldnt use at the time

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I've saved the HDDs to unlock stuff as new things are added to the game

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think I have to move back to normal recipe for the high speed connectors

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the alt one dont seem quite worth it requiring so much silica

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Alt silica was useful in April update tho

river sphinx Jul 9, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Is there an alt alclad aluminum sheet recipe?

shrewd yacht Jul 9, 2019, 1:16 AM

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did we even have silica recipe at that time @wind spade ?

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Yes we did was alt only tho

still plinth Jul 9, 2019, 1:59 AM

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@river sphinx no alt alclad as of yet

river sphinx Jul 9, 2019, 2:11 AM

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@still plinth Ok thanks!

glacial hemlock Jul 9, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Looking forward to all those tier 7 alts, not all are released

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Perhaps that would depends on tier8 items? Who know

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 4:41 AM

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where are you getting your alt basis from? there are 39 ingame atm

spark locust Jul 9, 2019, 4:42 AM

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He datamined for them

barren lagoon Jul 9, 2019, 5:00 AM

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@wind spade your production calculator doesnt put the copper ore requirements in for this: https://i.imgur.com/O94vTdb.png whereas it puts it in for steel. Just a bug report before someone tells me how much copper I need because its honestly not that hard to work out -_-

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(see AI limiters for missing copper ore)

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oh nevermind it had copper ore in the input by default for some reason

fleet steppe Jul 9, 2019, 5:43 AM

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I have a floor in my factory producing 120 plates/m, using the alt-recipe reinforced plates (6 plates/30wire) how many assemblers would I use and how would I lay out the balancers since they produce at an odd number? Using no overclocking btw. Still kinda new at this.

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Nevermind. lol

feral dew Jul 9, 2019, 5:43 AM

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no overclocking? How about underclocking

fleet steppe Jul 9, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Just hit me. XD

feral dew Jul 9, 2019, 5:43 AM

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👍

fleet steppe Jul 9, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Yeah, im dumb. I forgot we could underclock.

feral dew Jul 9, 2019, 5:44 AM

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happens to the best of us

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unless you're greeny, since greeny has no mortal flaws

minor shadow Jul 9, 2019, 5:53 AM

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that said, there often isn't a massive advantage to underclocking compared to just letting things cycle.. it doesn't use any power when idle and you can have more power plants than you fuel source would indicate as your not realistically running 100% load all the time. Having excess if also needed if your stealing stuff from the line as building materials, which I do all the time as its faster than traveling back to a dedicated source or hand crafting.

feral dew Jul 9, 2019, 6:02 AM

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and in the off chance that your power does go out, (via fuel shortage, or power spike), all of those machines will turn on at once, giving you a much higher threshold to surpass.

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it's really just best to underclock. You won't have to deal with extreme potential power spikes

little comet Jul 9, 2019, 7:11 AM

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hi all, can someone check my graph? is there a way to do it even more compact without cutting the efficiency? pretty early game sadly https://satisgraphtory.com/#cGk0NmY%3D

satisgraphtory.com

Satisgraphtory | Factory Building Graph Simulation

Feature-rich factory optimization and calculation tool for Satisfactory game

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 7:14 AM

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That is the best way without alts

little comet Jul 9, 2019, 7:14 AM

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F

minor bay Jul 9, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Guys. Approx. how many Fuel Gens can ~375 Fuel/min run?

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 7:48 AM

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31.25

errant garden Jul 9, 2019, 7:50 AM

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@shy scaffold How much storage is that waste storage?

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I can guarantee you it won't last as long as you'll think.

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An input of around 50 per minute if we're going at the maximum, and I'm going to assume that it will be 10 by 20.

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What's the stack size for waste?

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Hm, I am probably wrong then.

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I don't even know who you were pinging and why. Cannot see any posts from the person in the last 24 hours in here

errant garden Jul 9, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Jesus.

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You're not going to have toworry about storage for over a year

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Supposing it's a 10 by 20 for the storages

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48 stacks of 500 each

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So 10 times 20 times 48 times 500

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 7:58 AM

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With my factory I will be filling a 500 stack every 10 minutes

errant garden Jul 9, 2019, 7:58 AM

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This is for nuclear waste

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At mostz you'll be prodcing around 55, but we'll just say 50

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 7:58 AM

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yeah that will be my waste output

errant garden Jul 9, 2019, 7:59 AM

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96000 minutes for one floor to fill

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Or, 66 days

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At around 15 floors, that means he'll be storing stuff for a good old 1000 days

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 9:59 AM

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does jumping off the side of the map with an inventory full of nuclear waste still get rid of it?

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nope

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you create a death box the will land on the closest land area to where you jumped

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@fierce ruin

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well..... shit. i was hoping they'd allow the whole - if you jumped from a temp foundation out over a hole / the side of the map - and parachuted - deleting that platform as you went with a whole inventory full of Nuke waste...

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nope you can only store the stuff

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Be a man and surround spawn with nuclear waste. That'll teach players not to die on your map

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Bonus points for moving spawn into poison clouds as well

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:14 AM

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idk why people want to get rid of the waste so much

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just build a few ISCs near your nuclear plants and you are good to go

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 10:31 AM

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I am fairly certain nuclear waste will be an useful ressource

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Could be recycled into depleted uranium for example

sullen glen Jul 9, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Yeah I'm not doing nuclear till there's a way to make the nuclear waste not be exponential in its aoe

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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it's not as big issue as you think tho

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Or just place them near the uranium node. It's radioactive anyway xF

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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I am only not using it cause the splitters/mergers don't line up with the input/output. waste is easy to store

sullen glen Jul 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Yeah But uranium doesn't have a 500m kill zone, nor does it expand

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:34 AM

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ISC full of waste doesn't either afaik

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 10:34 AM

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But once you placed your miner you never have to go there again 😂

sullen glen Jul 9, 2019, 10:35 AM

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I don't care about storage I just dont like the exponential growth of its effect, I hope they add some container that's hard to make that would contain the radioactivity

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Kinda like we have irl lol

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:35 AM

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i mean you just put the containers near the plants, you won't be going there anyway

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 10:36 AM

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I have seen a mod WIP solution to the waste, but hopefully we get a vanilla way sooner rathe than later to use the waste up

sullen glen Jul 9, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Yeah me too, because now I'm just using oil and geothermal

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:41 AM

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can someone plz give me a diagram of a 4 by 4 balancer?

sullen glen Jul 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I can

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But I won't

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dab

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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please

little anchor Jul 9, 2019, 10:42 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/RGTBXIx.png

Imgur

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:43 AM

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ty

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:43 AM

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@cedar basin I'm just wondering, for what do you need a 4:4 balancer?

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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for this

📎 Screenshot20190709-12441100000.png

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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you don't need a 4 to 4 for that just clean the lines up

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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@wind spade one thing i dislike 'bout your website is that it doesent have balancers in comparison to satisfactory-calculator.com

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why not

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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because balancers are useless in satisfactory

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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o.o

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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for feeding machines, manifolds are much better

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and if you have 4 full belts, you don't need to balance them at all

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:47 AM

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but there are 4 different places to go

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:47 AM

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but they are full belts, right? why do you need to balance them?

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they are already full

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if you think about balancers being important because of the fact that you played factorio, then the reason that balancers are good in factorio is because in factorio, mines run out, so you don't have a stable output

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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why do you know that i play factorio??

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:49 AM

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because you want to use balancers? 😄

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they aren't really needed in satisfactory

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:50 AM

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oki, thtought you peek-a-boo-ed into my accs

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:50 AM

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could do that as well

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but I didn't even had to 😄

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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that are ~380 legit active playtime

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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anyway, back to the topic. If you have 4 full belts, then there is no need to balance them

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Have fun I am heading to bed, good night

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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gn

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greeny, you were right about screws

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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~1100 hours legit playtime

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cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:52 AM

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but the stupid MAM wanted me to get steel screws

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OwO

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:53 AM

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and if you don't have full belts, then it's better to know how many ipm you have on those belts rather than balance them and beleive, that it'll get balanced and have the amount of items you need.

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and for splitting to different places, manifolds are better for that 😉

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:54 AM

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manifolds?
owo whats that?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:55 AM

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this (ignore the numbers)

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cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:55 AM

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100% perfectly balanced game

📎 Screenshot20190709-12540700000.png

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like a priority-splitter?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:56 AM

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it works because the first machine fills up and clogs the first belt, so the 2nd machine gets more items, etc etc

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:56 AM

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jep

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:56 AM

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after a few minutes, it works the same way as a balancer

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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every MAM drive is a 100 stack

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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but other than the initial wait time, manifolds have only advantages

little anchor Jul 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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how are manifolds better when using say 8 machines? some of those machines will never be at 100% efficiency because they won't be getting hardly any materials

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 10:57 AM

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quicker build
smaller footprint
easily expandable
you can have different clock speeds / machines and it'll still work

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@little anchor the first machine can only accept X per minute, so it will fill up and the other machines will eventually get the rest

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:04 AM

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i need help with a storage system

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:05 AM

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just put a container at the end of the belt 🤔

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 AM

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this is my inital design, but its baad cuz i always want the left-bottom container to be full

📎 Screenshot20190709-13043800000.png

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 AM

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what are you storing that you need 6 ISCs for it lol

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 AM

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concrete

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its alphabetically

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every item in-game

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:07 AM

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99% of storage will be useless thinking_helmet

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:08 AM

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all ISC

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nahh

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:08 AM

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yeah

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:09 AM

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na

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:09 AM

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why do you store ingots, ore, intermediate products? you only need to store building materials

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:09 AM

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cuz we can

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:10 AM

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but yeah, 99% will be useless

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:11 AM

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its cool tho

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but its not clog-proof

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

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did you mix belts?

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

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types?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

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never ever mix different items onto a single belt/storage/truck

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:12 AM

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i we have mk5 belts down the line and mk3 to the individual containers

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there are a lot of smart splitters

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:13 AM

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oh god

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they are the worst. Don't do mixed belts. It will fail. Build a belt for each resource

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:15 AM

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📎 Screenshot20190709-13140200000.png

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:15 AM

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how dare you come to this channel with mixed belts

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:15 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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why are you so angery

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Try using a mixed belt when one of the containers is full and you'll know

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:20 AM

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uses ~6-8 ISCs

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 AM

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that just delays the issue

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Exactly

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 AM

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i will never have so many items

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 AM

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You can't ensure that

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 AM

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this system is for player inventory dumping only

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 AM

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and even then, why do you use a thing that is harder to setup and may break? why not to use easier thing that won't break?

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 AM

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explain.

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 AM

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one belt = one resource type

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 AM

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but how would you realise that..?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 AM

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simple, don't mix belts

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never put multiple resource types on a single belt

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:26 AM

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but how do you want to build a player-can-dump-his/her-inventory-system then which is capable of not cloggin

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:27 AM

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one ISC? drop inventory in there?

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:27 AM

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yep

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:27 AM

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if you want the sorting, then it will clog up anyway

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:28 AM

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HELP ME

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:28 AM

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but for sorting player inventory, you don't need 6 ISCs per item

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:29 AM

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this is satisfactory, go big or go home

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:29 AM

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no? merge the items into production lines and don't store them

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:30 AM

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why would i do that?
i have the production lines seperate

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:31 AM

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because your productiton lines produce stuff for you to build from, so you don't need to store the stuff at other place at the same time

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 AM

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the prod output containers are always full

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 AM

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then you can simple delete the items, since you don't need them anyway 🤔

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 AM

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why would i delete valuable stuff?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:33 AM

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if you have full containers of the item, it's no longer valuable

cedar basin Jul 9, 2019, 11:33 AM

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i have only items of max tier 3 fully automated

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 11:36 AM

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I don't even know what you are talking about anymore.

if it's an item, that you have plenty of, you don't need to store it
if it's an item, you don't have plenty of, then hook it to your main storage, don't build another storage for it
if it's an item, that is limited by count (HDDs, slugs [yeah, they are unlimited, but still]), store them in a single container. You won't have a lot of them anyway, so you don't need 8 containers for every item

in total, you can build like 3 containers and hook everything else to your production lines.

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 12:02 PM

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A non-clogging sorting system won't work until we have an incinerator or a way to shut off production depending on items

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Btw is it possible to do a storage room with a separate belt as an "overflow" when the container is full? But priority for the container? So it always gets filled up first?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:23 PM

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no, you can just put the container on the belt instead, but then the priority is on the belt, not on the container

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Hmmm that sucks...

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:23 PM

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why do you need that btw?

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:24 PM

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I have a item deleter so my factory keeps running. But I still want a place where I can grab my building materials from. Don't like my factory in idle mode xP

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:26 PM

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put a splitter before the container. It will fill at half speed and eventually fill up, so all of the rest items will go to the deleter

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Yeah that's how I have it setup atm. I just thought there may be a better way 🤔

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Problem with that is I kill like 50% of my production speed xP

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:28 PM

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that's what you get for setting goals like "no idle factory"

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producing stuff just to delete it sounds kinda stupid tbh 😄

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:28 PM

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XP I just don't like belts standing still^^

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And filling 20 containers is weird too xP

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:31 PM

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It's weird when they stand still and you still see the belt texture moving.

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:31 PM

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mass storage works as a buffer back to the main line after leaving factories

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:32 PM

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I have a item deleter so my factory keeps running. But I still want a place where I can grab my building materials from. Don't like my factory in idle mode xP
How do you make an item deleter?
@round narwhal

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:32 PM

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wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:33 PM

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oh, bus 🤢

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

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"organized" spaghetti > bus lanes hehe

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

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My main storage is one level down

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

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no bus > bus > spaghetti

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

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what would no bus look like?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:35 PM

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miner -> factory -> storage

fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:35 PM

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shortest route possible?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:35 PM

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doesn't really matter

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 12:36 PM

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@round narwhal

📎 IMG_20190709_143605.jpg

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You can get a better split than 50:50 by using mergers and splitters

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This is still quite compact

hasty vigil Jul 9, 2019, 12:37 PM

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simple and efficient

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:40 PM

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@fierce ruin it's a modded object. It's just a cube with 1 belt input

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@pseudo jay thx. I may rebuild my storage setup to hide that stuff in the back somewhere

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:43 PM

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factory storage with no spaghetti

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fierce ruin Jul 9, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Wouldn't smart splitters work? As far as my knowledge goes you can just say 'item' go left and when it's full it goes straight into the deleter?

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Do you also delete nuclear waste with that cube?

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:44 PM

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no, smarts get stuck when the item can't go to the lane it is supposed to

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:44 PM

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I could but I'm not at nuclear yet

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:44 PM

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@languid plover how dare you show crossed belts here

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Crossed belts are fine imo. As long as there is no clipping

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:45 PM

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there is at his picture if I see it correctly

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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that's before stackable splitters lol

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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you didn't need stackable splitters to do that

strange hawk Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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you say no spaghett but you have crossed belts?

minor bay Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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yup. they are clipping

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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^

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Can't see it that well... (mobile)

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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well it's a photo of a screen also

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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But clipping is a big nono

strange hawk Jul 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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@round narwhal you mind sharing that destruction machine?

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:47 PM

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📎 20190709_084737.jpg

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:48 PM

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there is a photo mode ingame. There is also a printscreen button

strange hawk Jul 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

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XD

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

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yet you choose to do a photo of your screen

strange hawk Jul 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

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he prob doesnt have discord on pc

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

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it's web-based app, you don't need to

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Next thing you know he is using mixed belts and 4 by 4 balancers

strange hawk Jul 9, 2019, 12:50 PM

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i keep forgetting discord on browser exists xd

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im guilty 😦 i have a sorting system for wood, leaves etc

languid plover Jul 9, 2019, 12:50 PM

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All level 4 belts not mixed

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for all the spaghett fans out there

📎 Screenshot20190709-08561200000.png

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📎 Screenshot20190709-08555700000.png

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 12:58 PM

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📎 IMG_20190709_145755.jpg

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Just incase anyone needs a 1 to 16 balancer/splitter

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:p

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I think we can do any 1 to n balancer/splitter with loopback (n being a natural number)

round narwhal Jul 9, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@strange hawk iirc im not allowed to share modded files here. But you can get it on the modding discord

wind spade Jul 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@pseudo jay we can, but why go through that when we have manifolds?

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also 1->2->4->8->16 seems like way easier way to do 1->16

pseudo jay Jul 9, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Note the :p

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It is a joke