math-and-meta

[vapid gorge]

that's a very basic one there

[mighty tusk]

I used to do 4m long foundations and not do towers which wasted a lot of my time building tracks instead of just doing the auto connect stuff

[vapid gorge]

these are fancier ones https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1065821413895852062/image.png?ex=69d0788b&is=69cf270b&hm=7e0a5906a1ffb47bfca50a99ab77520f20f219057cfc9a3e6129d2f219e1c9f3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[mighty tusk]

Blueprinting time lol

I made a constructor stack already at least, to try to save some space

[vapid gorge]

🙂
if you want to try stacked rail I recommend it, works basically like side by side rail but much smaller footprint

can make tighter turns and hug the ground better

another example

[mighty tusk]

Better than my old floating straights and 90 degree bends lol

How far apart should I put the singals? I never had enough trains at any point to have to worry about the spacing, but I would assume every/every other tower?

[vapid gorge]

every tower is probably good

that's often like every 10-12 foundations

[mighty tusk]

Thanks for the guidance, i greatly appreciate it

Need to hit the sack so I can play this game for an ungodly amount cause I have a 3 day weekend from work 😎

[vapid gorge]

no sweat! gonna go mow the lawn now xD

[graceful marsh]

I made sure it's not on foundations just for you

[vapid gorge]

ok? you're allowed to be unpleasent if yo uwant

[hot hornet]

Does anyone know what the most efficient thing to sink is?

[outer vale]

as always, gotta define "efficient"

most points per item is probably the ballistic warp drive

points for minimal effort? can literally sink raw uranium

and sinking anything spare you're already producing is basically free

[vapid gorge]

whatever is overflowing and convenient, zero extra work

[tall vale]

Guys, what do i need to make more? Plastic or rubber? I have 530 polyester resin/min laying, should i make more plastic or rubber?

[wind spade]

don't make either until you know what you need

[tall vale]

Alr ima just prepare the space then, since the inputs are the same right?

Oh wait they arent the same

[unique cypress]

Depends on the recipe

[tall vale]

Residiual plastic and residual rubber

ill just make a whole second floor for them\

[naive sand]

What does a junction look like with this stack method? More or less complicated than if side by side?

[vapid gorge]

depends if you're going for basic or over/under passes

[vapid gorge]

a T junction that has moderate over/underpass https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1333668661797453937/image.png?ex=69d0a03b&is=69cf4ebb&hm=cb0309cdaf375405e05d28bae8774fced48faaf13b3a12b923fcce3a0fa91704&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

you can get EXTRA fancy with a Turbine interchange though #design-and-architecture message

But turbins always look wild stacked or not xD

[naive sand]

I do have one big turbine junction around my central hub in the red forest, yeah they're always wild.

I've played enough Factorio that I recognise the general theme of that style of T junction, which then reminds me of all the other ways this can be done. Should have thought of that, so really helpful image of yours there.

[inland smelt]

uh something something a2+b2=c2

[mighty tusk]

Love a good interchange lol

Ive officially started a notes document cause I am too adhd to remember all my math

[slate river]

this is heavenly train routing

[mighty tusk]

Does this work

Sorry it looks like shit lol

There is a value that limits to 200 between the 2 lines of 400 on the 600 side

I realized I prob dont need that valve and it will just balance itself out

[wind spade]

don't use valves

[dusky dust]

I'd highly recommend setting one bank of machines to consume the 600/min and a separate set of machines to consume the 200/min

Or better yet: instead of whatever's merging the 600/min fuel together, have each machine output to the exact number of gens/whatever that it supports. Simple pipes are a lot easier to debug than complex pipes. :)

[cunning stump]

720 fully overclocked fuel gens are finally all placed

[vast jungle]

this looks quite nice... its a pity that it doens't fit into a blueprint

[dusky dust]

Especially if you have segments of pipe where you need the full 600/min flow, introducing complexity to your pipes is a great way to have Debugging Nightmares

[mighty tusk]

Ill just run a second line parrallel, since im doing rows of 10, and each 10 takes 200

I did this

The left pipe is the 600 one (20/m over 30 machines)
The right pipe is the 200 one (20/m over 20 machines)

I havent placed the gens for the 200 pipe

Rubber taking its sweet time ot upload

[vast jungle]

fields of generators can eat the nice uploaded stacks of materials VERY quickly...

[mighty tusk]

Im fighting water right now but I realized I had the wrong pipes going to the wrong places lol

[vast jungle]

maybe color-code each pipe for what you want to have inside?

[mighty tusk]

I do, but the water is sloshing and wont go up even when I have pumps

It doesnt want to go up that extension on top into the packager

[vast jungle]

maybe switch off the consuming machines for a moment until the pipe is full?

[mighty tusk]

The main bus pipe is full

[wind spade]

main bus?

[vast jungle]

still, if you use less than you consume AND it doesn't get full you have more issues than you currently know 😄

[mighty tusk]

The main water line that goes down, and then each packager takes 60 water, total 10 packagers

The main line fluctuates less tahn 1m^3, but Idk what is keeping the water from going into the packagers

It seems like the packagers are getting water in "bursts" but tis less than what they need?

I removed all the pumps that were the ones for the original headlift needed

I think the pumps might have been problematic

Well I built a big water column, the main run is full, but the water still wont go into packagers 😡

[vast jungle]

stupid question... are you sure you connected the water to the input of the packager?

(speaking from experience)

[mighty tusk]

Yea, I blueprinted the individual dpf loops

I made the T junctions not point up and it helped a ton

im replacing them all right now

[vast jungle]

(welcome to the BP party ^^)

[mighty tusk]

?

[vast jungle]

so the attached pipe to the packager is full but the packagers "inventory" is empty?

can you post a screenshot from the packagers internal state?

[mighty tusk]

Its working since I built this

So I noticed it doesn like this

but lieks this

[vast jungle]

okay, so both water and empty canisters are arriving... I would try to have a look when the state goes yellow to see which one of the three connections block the thing

could also be canister input or canister output

[mighty tusk]

The issue was the water was never making it into the packagers even though they were connected, but that second T junction seemed to have helped along with the tall ass water tower thing I made

[vast jungle]

there is water in the packager, so "never making" seems to be a bit pessimistic

[mighty tusk]

It was, but just in random bursts that werent enough

[olive ferry]

can someone tell me how i would get 1/12th of an input as an output

[vast jungle]

split into 3, split into 2, split into 2?

[wind spade]

manifold

[olive ferry]

so i take a spliter

[vast jungle]

you need a splitter for both solutions...

[olive ferry]

then connect 2 channels to splitters that have a 1/2 division?

[wind spade]

yeah, split into the machine, it will self-regulate

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

can be as long as you need

[mighty tusk]

Well its working now, need to adjust that blueprint for when I double this up eventually

[vast jungle]

what did you change?

[mighty tusk]

These pipe angles plus I made the water go up high and come back down

[inland smelt]

More smelters in between or leave space ?

[vast jungle]

not a math issue?

so the answer is most likely "whatever you like more"

[inland smelt]

Meta

[oblique hollow]

leave space for what?

place as many smelters as you need to smelt the ore

[humble halo]

m o r e

p r o c e s s

wait hold on how did the thing go explore and exploit

[tropic hawk]

Construct, Automate, Explore, Exploit

IMO should be CARE
Construct, Automate, Research, Exploit

[hearty sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factor-io-factorio-satisfactory-game-automation-gif-4780683496031639747

more

more

[cerulean stratus]

so I just learned how rigor motor can be used on existing systems to basically quadruple your amount just by adding crystal oscillators
Anything else like that?

[tacit swift]

hey can someone help me out with a nitrogen transport line? I need to transport a bunch of the gas half way across the map and Im not sure how I should do it

[brittle lion]

package and train

1 600/min gas line turns into 150 packaged nitrogen per minute

or just package and belt instead

you can get 5 full lines of nitrogen gas onto one 780 conveyer belt

[manic goblet]

Depending on how much you want to transport, you can package it and drone it across the map. Nitrogen has a 4:1 compression ratio when packaging. A drone can carry 9 stacks. If you are only packaging 600 m^3 /min of gas, as long as the trip time is less than 6 minutes, you can transport everything on a single drone.

If you have more you want to transport, you can use a train if you have an established rail network; a single freight car can hold 21.333 minutes of packaged nitrogen gas if you are packaging 600 m^3 /min.

I wouldn't recommend fluid cars if going that far across the map, as they can only hold 2 minutes and 40 seconds worth of nitrogen gas at 600 m^3.

[ripe mango]

Where's a decent place to set up a first Aluminium factory? And any particularly useful alts I should fish for?

[manic goblet]

If you want to take silica out of the equation, get sloppy alumina. Pure aluminum ingot will also negate the need for silica in the production of aluminum ingots.

You are going to need water, so I recommend bringing the bauxite to water rather than the other way around

[vapid gorge]

doesn't need to, you can make it in a minute

and you aren't making intersections every 2m

[dapper drum]

B i g p i p e l i n e

[mint coral]

is there no nitrogen closer>?

[tough roost]

i just noticed im making more power than i am consuming in my factory using my byproduct lol and im just using basic fuel to not even turbo

[brisk urchin]

not much nitro on the map tochoose from

[brisk urchin]

i would use packagers and trains

[vapid gorge]

Drones are easy, the same drone can pick up empties on the way back

[cedar glade]

someone help me with trains path/ block signals im begging (right hand traffic LEFT TO RIGHT)

[ionic sapphire]

path signals going into the intersection
block signals coming out of the intersection
more can be added after

[cedar glade]

your a life saver, thanks

spent 2 hours trying to learn this when 2 sentences got it

[limpid knot]

Forgive me, as this likely wont be the clearest question. I want to convert four iron lines equivalent to around 1200/m into a trucking route. How might I math that out for truck hauling? What kind of throughput can a truck achieve with base materials? Transfer is within-biome, for frame of reference (rocky desert).

[dapper drum]

you know, I don't have an answer, but I'm curious how people respond - and I wonder if the routing changes coming up in 1.2 will affect the answer

[vapid gorge]

The beauty about trucks is you don’t really need to.
Load station backing up? Add another truck to the line

Or time the route and see if the trucks cargo will be more than full by the time it returns

[cosmic belfry]

@regal spruce it was hiding lol

[cosmic belfry]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=WyuAxHb2q1tu1ljr3VbC

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=UCkNcJK1wblhabXaCo1T

anyone know why the second one uses less bauxite and outputs less aluminum ingots? in the first one, I played with the concrete output manually to get it to consume 480 limestone / min (by shooting for 320 concrete / min) and it seems fine but when both concrete and aluminum ingots are set to maximize the calculator goes wonky on me?

[cedar folio]

I think Tools just glitches out a bit and makes them all even instead of actually maximizing both outputs. Which I just tested it with Iron Rods and Computers without changing input, and it just matches the items per minute.

[vapid gorge]

Don’t use multiple maximise

In fact better to avoid any maximise. Figure out an amount you want to make and turn it to item on

[cosmic belfry]

hmm alright I'll just use it to get a rough idea of how much output I need to max an input belt, thank you. figured it was just maximize being weird

the one with concrete set to 320 / min seem like a good setup?

[vapid gorge]

This is the way

[cosmic belfry]

much appreciated!

[buoyant fulcrum]

2/7 connections out of a 7-6

[buoyant fulcrum]

its beautiful

[limpid knot]

Two trucks entirely outperformed four Mk4 lines of iron. It was glorious. No more countryside stacking conveyor busses. Crazy to think how easy it is to boost throughput with trucks. I'm absolutely loving 1.2 trucking. Completely changed the experience with vehicles for me.

[graceful linden]

Im having my clanker build a new calculator. You can specify a given target input or output, lock it in, then scale machine count up and down for under/overclock and get a clock% to copypasta.

dragging I/O nodes lets you bring up recipes quickly

[frosty owl]

What is it supposed to offer that the other calculators don't?

[vapid gorge]

slop bots building a calculator? that will go well

[graceful linden]

It's got bezier curves for connections so you're already making spaghetti before you've put anything down in game.

Like I said earlier, I can lock in a target input or output, scale the machine count up and down as under/overclocking rules allow, and click to copy the clock% for pasting into the game quickly. The icons next to the locks let you snap the production to the upstream or downstream demand. I've also got sinks implemented now. It saves sessions, handles imports and exports JSONs. It's also just a single HTML file with react flow and JSX.

I've got coal/fuel/nuclear left to bring in, then I'll try to implement clog detection, and saving groups of blocks as greater modules.

[teal pumice]

what is the website/app? thank you in advance

[fervent spire]

wow copper powder is insane @_@ this entire thing only making 25 is wild lmfao
(yes I know I could overclock the refineries, but I'll only do that once I automate power shards given the number involved)

[mint coral]

@teal tiger this is my little nuclkear plant. Rods burn at 0.2/min generating 10/min waste. so i know ill ber making 320 waste a minute.

so ill punch 320/min uranium waste for my plutonium facility

[teal tiger]

yea so basically do it by hand alright lmao

i thought of a tool like, power goal:500k, and it calculates excatly how many plants il need, how much goes into refuel etc

[mint coral]

ya, then makew a new tab for pluto rods telling it you have X waste and to maximize pluto rods

[teal tiger]

gotcha

[mint coral]

dont know any that works like that

although Moduler tells you how much you are using. but it has way more manuall input

modeler

[teal tiger]

and from plutionium do u keep going to ficsonium or u just sink it from there?

[mint coral]

im just goijng to sink pluto

[teal tiger]

damn i understand why so many people skip nuclear

[mint coral]

the ficsonium gains are small. Id rather use the sam to make more uranium

if i ever needed that. Im not going for big numbers.

[teal tiger]

lowk regretting the 500k goal

but i rly think thats the bare minimum i need

[mint coral]

thats 1800 oil in rocket fuel

[teal tiger]

thats the thing🥲

tbh i only wanna try nuclear cuz the machine looks so cool and makes the base look dope

[mint coral]

well my math is there fore you. eveerything you need my a small 36 reactor setup is in the swamp

thats 90GW

[teal tiger]

doesnt seem rewarding enough for 90GW, either i go big or i go home

[mint coral]

@long bridge and @meager kettle are both going for max Nuclear. if you want some advice for large scale

[teal tiger]

aight thanks

[mint coral]

its easter long weekend for many. so dont be suprised iff ppl do not respond

[long bridge]

Hi 👋

Im using nekos math for mine (mostly)

[teal tiger]

any idea how i could find the cause of this? i followed basically the whole route back and there wasnt a single faulty block signal, every single one showed red or green

even worse than this, the next train directly next to each works perfectly fine and goes the same route

[bleak patrol]

i created a 6:5 conveyor balancer where each of the 6 conveyors is split into 5, and then each of the 5 output conveyors has 6 merged into it.. the issue is that it doesn't seem to be working properly

TL;DW: 2 of the output conveyors are reading 750/min, while the other three are 700/min. inputs are all 600/min. all outputs should read 720/min

here is the blueprint of the splitter:

[swift fulcrum]

is your train station the wrong way round?

[teal tiger]

oh it was lol thanks

[tacit vortex]

THIS THING!!! Does anyone know where this is from? Please.

[swift fulcrum]

its satisfactory moddler on steam, its free 😄

[tacit vortex]

THANK YOU!!!

I saw it and knew I needed it.

[swift fulcrum]

No problem, fellow pioneer, if you need any help learning how to use it, just give me a shout

[unique cypress]

the 1:5 needs to be a proper one

[tacit vortex]

I don't need help rn, but I sent a friend request in the likely event I do.

[swift fulcrum]

no problem dude

[bleak patrol]

oh interesting. yeah, i think my mistake was because i first designed it with one too many outputs on accident and then deleted it thinking it wouldn't make a difference (dumb). thanks

[wicked orbit]

uys does this mean 360 m3 heavy oil residue in 160 m3 fuel out per minute

just did my first plastic and rubber plants kinda confused with liquids byproducs and stuff

[cunning stump]

why is my power production jumping by weirdly small numbers like 10.1 or .3 or .4 like wth is going on

[shy harbor]

If I have a required amount of machines but plan on overclocking all of them by 250%, can I just divide the total number of machines by 250% to find how many overclocked machines I would need?

[meager kettle]

yes

[oblique hollow]

no. it uses 60 and makes 40, just like it says onscreen

[meager kettle]

the math doesnt change just cause its a byproduct. if you have 360 heavy oil residue then you just calculate how much fuel and refineries you need by diving 360 with 60, 360/60 = 6 refineries, which then makes 6x40 = 240 fuel/miin

[frank prawn]

hey guys im confused on how this planner works, what does it mean by 0.01 miner mk 3s or 0.05? im trying to make a factory for all the part assembly parts (copper sheet,rotors,modular frames,smart platings) i dont have mk3 stuff yet

[ionic sapphire]

an underclocked machine most likely

[prisma kraken]

that calculator is notoriously bad. you're seeing the result of it not rounding to enough significant digits

[ionic sapphire]

you can probably specify which machines the planner should use

[frank prawn]

aw man, so which one should i use?

[ionic sapphire]

one that works for you

theres at least 4

[prisma kraken]

satistools is kind of the best of the browser based ones

[frank prawn]

i dont mind downloading anything

[tame cairn]

Satisfactory Modeler is a free tool on steam

[frank prawn]

do you know the names?

[prisma kraken]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

[ionic sapphire]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/
https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy?v=11
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

and probably so many more

[prisma kraken]

hmm, room swallowed the link to the tool i use

[ionic sapphire]

fuckin excel works great too

[prisma kraken]

industrious engineers can figure out the web address

i find the graph visualization pretty useless

[tight socket]

system requires 600cm^3 of water, 4 refineries producing 420cm^3 with a pump producing 180cm^3 (pumps attached as it is at the bottom of a cliff), system stops working after a while due to backup of water, is it due to the pumps of the water generator pushing water into pipes to the right requiring counter pumps?

[vapid gorge]

it's because you're merging the frseh and waste water
pipes aren't belts

they flow both ways

also get rid of the pumps they aren't doing anything

[vapid gorge]

example of bauxite being processed w/o merging fresh and waste https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69d267be&is=69d1163e&hm=25d9ed2441ad45d1d7d7566a3069afb228f526969ec63db6de39d8f9991f5bf2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=275&height=350

blue is fresh, red is waste

[ornate mirage]

Any clue as to why my watertower isnt working?

[tight socket]

Will try it out

[vapid gorge]

no headlift
you're interconnecting everything
you're using valves

rip it all out

[vapid gorge]

you're also bottom feeding your machines, where the input pipes start out lower than the inputs of the machines, that typically causes back flow issues

[ornate mirage]

i dont understand 😭

is the interconnecting not the way?

and i have a tall ass watertower with mk.2 pump

[teal tiger]

so nitro fuel actually isnt actually the cheaper option?

but the simpler one ig

[vapid gorge]

no you want to keep things as simple as possible
and use pumps , not water towers

[teal tiger]

hard to decide which one to go for tbh

[vapid gorge]

every alt recipe trades things off, compare and figure out if it's a good trade for you

[ornate mirage]

why not watertowers tho?

[teal tiger]

nitro fuel costs alot more but looks so much more enjoying to build

[vapid gorge]

because they are an over complication and don't do anything pumps do

pumps are basically free and they don't make you interconnect everything

[ornate mirage]

cheaper and simpler in a sense?

dont have to worry about headlift but alright then

[vapid gorge]

I mean you asked what the issue was and its 'everything about how you built this'

[mint coral]

Nitro is easy. Not cheap.

[teal tiger]

i just found out after 650h into my save that gas is actually treated as gas ingame and has no gravity..

all those pumps for nothing

[vapid gorge]

it's not even clear from your images that your water towers would be giving everything headlift

is this coal power?

like, just don't do things like this

have a group of machines send fluids from point A to point B

[teal tiger]

im starting to hate using fluids in my setups so much

[vapid gorge]

and you're choosing rocket fuel?

[teal tiger]

well nuclear has its own category

[vapid gorge]

barely uses fluids and when it does it's very direct

build over water, send 1 pipe to 1 generator

on top of that 1/10th the number of generators for the same power

[ornate mirage]

lmao okay

[teal tiger]

on top of that tons of waste i can take care of..

[mint coral]

Kiss

Keep
It
Stupidity
Simple

[ornate mirage]

aluminium

[teal tiger]

1/10th generators for x10 more machines lmao

[vapid gorge]

you can very quickly create a storage system with blueprints to store everything for thousands of hours

[vapid gorge]

which are all much smaller and typically don't use fluids

[ornate mirage]

lol it was just a test tbf, i have never tried watertowers and thought it might be useful here xD

[teal tiger]

is that how yall do it lmao just move the trash elsewhere? i didnt even think of that

[vapid gorge]

you especially don't want to be interconnecting all the fluids and feeding from below

[teal tiger]

it was 10 waste/min per reactor right?

[vapid gorge]

if you want.
I just set up a plutonium rod plan in another corner and feed it with drones

[vapid gorge]

calculate it as 50 waste pm per 1 rod pm.
clocking exists

[mint coral]

You can fit A LOT of storage containers in a blueprinter. Storing plutonium waste is pretty common

[vapid gorge]

for aluminium I mean

[teal tiger]

well started rocket fuel already anyway would be annoying to go back to nuclear now after deciding against it

[mint coral]

You can still do both ^-^

[ornate mirage]

i dont think i know enough about fluids... 😭 but testing is always a place to start 😆

[teal tiger]

if my 250GW wont be enough for the save il give nuclear another chance, but well augmentors exist so i highly doubt that lol

[ornate mirage]

neverless, its working now so ill stop bothering u about this xD

[mint coral]

Ive read colbolt explaining aluminum so many times over the last 7 months It comes naturally

[vapid gorge]

how are you dealing with the waste water?

[teal tiger]

how much MW you usually use in one finished save on average?

i bet yall have plenty of finished runs

so there has to be a average

[vapid gorge]

I mean I unlock everythign with like 30 gw easily

then I'll make a nuclear system for my own projects

[mint coral]

200gw is my average

[teal tiger]

is 100-200GW to 10/min most phase 5 items a good guess?

[mint coral]

Think I did 500gw for that. But I can't remember how much I used.

Just keep a eye on it if you are within 10gw of your max production its time to expand

[teal tiger]

gotcha thanks, maybe nuclear will actually get another chance

might get tight

wait actually thinking about it i didnt start rocket fuel yet, i only automized my power shards

yall tempting me ngl

wait are yall storing uranium waste or plutonium waste?

[mint coral]

Niether. Im sinking plutonium rods

[vapid gorge]

basic uranium https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=DOaYVnSjnzvMeZtgRpBk

last one was doing something dumb with SAM

[mint coral]

My plan was to do a small 3 rod setup but I left t that math at work. I have the 7.2 math i worked out at home.... so thats what I am doing lol

[vapid gorge]

eh, imo you really don't want to do uranium power more than once on a map.

[teal tiger]

is that one optimized by u or just thrown in?

[vapid gorge]

that's just all base recipes. There's a bunch of alts that you can use to cut down the other resources

wet concrete, solid steel ingots

you could cut out both coal and copper and replace them with oil if you want

[teal tiger]

we hate fluids

id rather use x4 coal than having to use fluids

[vapid gorge]

the oil would mostly be a small recycled plastic/rubber loop

but that's up to you
Plastic AI limiters gives you a lot of flex

[mint coral]

This is still my setup

#math-and-meta message

[teal tiger]

can u send me the link of that one? id like to scale it up to 40 rods

[vapid gorge]

that one uses uranium alts which increases complexity and amount of other resources used to pad it out.

just as a warning

this one is just a reduction of resources from the base recipe https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vOotJ3Mcdo1hYwSuNCHJ

[mint coral]

Ill try to remember when I get off the couch. My ass grooves are perfect

[teal tiger]

yea actually that one looks solid

thanks

il actually mass produce every single of those needed items in my mega factory first

[vapid gorge]

you can easily make more than 200gw from base uranium recipes. Great if that's all you need
can pus it to like 600gw though if you want

[teal tiger]

that will definitely help for other projects

[vapid gorge]

takes more resources obviously

[teal tiger]

do we wanna overclock the plants, logistic wise

[vapid gorge]

if you want? compact set ups often help with that

[mint coral]

Depends on how much fluid you are comfortable pushing into each reqctor

[vapid gorge]

if you keep Nuke gens to 200% it's very easy to manage

[teal tiger]

is it true that i can push more than 600 water into one pipe? so lets say i have 2x600 water lines, and 1 line that needs 670 water. if i connec the 2x 600 water lines from left end and right end would that work out?

[vapid gorge]

epends on what you're trying to do and where it's going, and you're still not 'pushing more than 600' , you're using 2 pipes

[mint coral]

A max oc reactor needs 600 water. So you'll likely use two max oc water extractors to provide it

[teal tiger]

well using 2 pipes to feed 1 pipe technically

[vapid gorge]

you can like with coal gens? if they need multiple inputs

but not if you have 1 input going for more than 600

[vapid gorge]

but you really want to avoid doing things like that. Can easily cause issues

[teal tiger]

yea thats what i thought

fine we're goin nuclear ig

pls dont make me regret this

[vapid gorge]

plan a good location for the rods
remember you don't need to make the rods where you're burning them

[teal tiger]

10 augmentor = double power right?

[vapid gorge]

you can easily drone the rods to the ocean

[vapid gorge]

eh if you want. duping power/items is silly though

[teal tiger]

megafactory..

[teal tiger]

oh we hatin on somersloops?

[vapid gorge]

I just think duping is dumb.
you build a factory and then ... press a button to double the work? very silly

[vapid gorge]

don't have your nuclear power system attached to your main factoyr. You'll regret it

[teal tiger]

ngl had the same thought, but well its limited so its whatever

[teal tiger]

we talking network/power system?

[vapid gorge]

no, make a very distinct and completely independent production facility for your nuclear plant
honestly that hsould always be the case for any power system

[teal tiger]

yea well il use a prior power switch for sure, the only problem is i cant cut it off completely

since il mass produce the items needed for it in different areas

[vapid gorge]

you really really don't want to have the parts making uranium rods being part of the other systems

because if you make any changes to that, or anything gets paused, your power system comes crashing down

and it becomes VERY restrictive on what yo udo in the future

[teal tiger]

eventho i was aware of that, il listen this time actually, cuz i ignored it so often and had way too many moments in this save where i was spamming at my fuse switch while praying

i could have been soft locked so often already

[vapid gorge]

the cliff in the northern forest near rocky D is a convenient location, as well as the swamp, lots of the needed resources nearby

[teal tiger]

il still build in my megafactory tho lol

stayin loyal to my rules

[vapid gorge]

eh sure, that won't kill your future options

[teal tiger]

atleast not in the center.. il try to build it as far in the corner as possible

will be like somewhere there

should be enough distance

[vapid gorge]

well you can burn the rods anywhere there's water, but remember you don't have to make the rods there

[teal tiger]

hmm actually thinking about it, my nuclear plant will be still depending on my train network which i somehow dislike

[vapid gorge]

drones

[teal tiger]

if my train network crashes which could very likely happen in the future, my power shuts down aswell

[vapid gorge]

keep your train network on a seperate power grid from your main factory.

it's good practice

that way your logistics doesn't crash out

[teal tiger]

im not even talkin about power here, im more worried about them de-railing or signal issues lmao

[vapid gorge]

... ok if you're that unconfident about your rails, drones

[teal tiger]

its fine for now with 20-30 trains, but idk if my network can handle 100 trains aswell, atleast never stress tested it

[vapid gorge]

as long as it's blocked fine and you don't have trains waiting on teh main line it shouldn't cause an issue

[cunning stump]

do you have any idea why my power production sometimes randomly jumps like 9.3 (thats just one number its many different amounts). it also seems to jump higher in power production not lower?

[vapid gorge]

9.3mw?

[mint coral]

Here. No need to drone anything in or train

[cunning stump]

yes

[mint coral]

Just use the resources in the swamp

[teal tiger]

actually quite close to my base i could directly belt it

[cunning stump]

yes its such a small amount it cant be a gen turning off?

it makes no sense

[vapid gorge]

randomly making 9.3mw more? unless you have an underclocked power gen somewher estuttering can't thikn of anything

[vapid gorge]

oh wait are you using trains?

[cunning stump]

yes

[vapid gorge]

when they brake they generate a small amount of power

[teal tiger]

thats actually such a cool fun fact

[vapid gorge]

regenerative braking is a real thing too. Better EVs do it

[cunning stump]

Oh i had no idea, that would kind of make sense except that if i flip the priority power switch between my rocketfuel plant and my main grid neither grid does it anymore

[mint coral]

Do you have doggos on hamster wheels?

[vapid gorge]

I don't know how your grids are split up so no idea if they are connected or not.
but almost certainly the trains

[teal tiger]

yea well even my car has this feature lmao

okay il settle on 20 rods, 40 just seems unreasonable for now

[cunning stump]

no that makes sense and its the only logical answer, thank you that was driving me absolutely nuts

[teal tiger]

damn power storages are quite useless

id need to place like thousands to get a proper backup

[vapid gorge]

power storage can output faster than 100mw/h

[mint coral]

I mostly see it as a way to even out geothermal or endgame machines that use variable power

[vapid gorge]

you don't need the same storage as what everythign runs on

[vapid gorge]

for example a 10,000mw/h storage can run 100,000mw worth of machinery

[mint coral]

But I dont use it at all these days

[teal tiger]

what radius of radiation can i expect from 40 fully oc plants?

[vapid gorge]

it's not huge

[teal tiger]

small enough to build it somewhere there?

[vapid gorge]

probably. but check to make sure it isn't fake water

[teal tiger]

oh yea no worries

[vapid gorge]

if you OC the water gens you can pretty easily have 2 floors of nuclear gens with the water extractors for both of them directly under neath too

[crimson moat]

There's no radiation from fuel that is currently being consumed, so it's just the occasional rods and waste i/o

[mint coral]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ukcII1xeKkCR7Tc03WNv

that my plan

I cut out copper wire do to my limited copper

[vapid gorge]

@scarlet condor this is 355.6% clocking however you like it

you'll need at least 2 machines for that, as you're right, 250% is the max 1 machine can do

or you could have 355 machiens at 1% each

[scarlet condor]

Lowk I really like the clocking system you use over the solid number amount the site has

[vapid gorge]

if you hover over the bubble it also gives you an example of how it could be clocked

[scarlet condor]

YOOOO

I use mobile so I think I need to change that

[vapid gorge]

no planner is good on mobile

do you ahve a pad? a laptop?

[scarlet condor]

Yeah I use a laptop

[vapid gorge]

yeah use your lap top for it.

[scarlet condor]

I can use planner on there xd

That's very nice though, I might be able to do a LOT more with this new knowledge

[vapid gorge]

well it's not a 'clocking system'

1 machine just equals 100%

1 apple? that's 100% of an apple

[scarlet condor]

Right. It's a different number to convey the same thing

Like how 3/4 is also 0.75

[vapid gorge]

pretty much. just remember that 1 often means 100% of a thing

so 3.5 you just move the decimal over 2 places to make 350%

[scarlet condor]

I LOVE math 🥹

[vapid gorge]

xD most of my students aren't huge fans but I'm glad you like it 🙂

[scarlet condor]

Oh dude I LOVE academics, it has to be one of my favorite things

Honors Calc 2 was a blast that's for sure

But I digress, I'll think of some things I need to automate atm

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 but this is probably the best planner to help figure out different ways to do things https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VRLfrVkZCe16dLoo9jXF

for example a very resource efficient plan for HMFs

and if you want ot see what it looks like with a different recipoe, you just swap it over and it re calcs everything in a moment

[scarlet condor]

I'm so grateful for alternate recipes

[vapid gorge]

So if yo uwanted to use Coke Steel instead of Solid steel, you uncheck Solid and check Coke

[vapid gorge]

Alt recipes and Clocking machines are ... the 2 biggest mechanics in the game

alts give you al lthe options
clocking solves 99% of your logistics issues before they are a problem

[teal tiger]

hold up.. i calculated the waste right now, i will come down to 1000/min, yall wanna tell me im supposed to be able to store that for thousands of hours?

okay atleast it stacks up to 500..

[cunning stump]

no you turn it into PFR and sink them

plutonium fuel rods

or store it if that tickles your fancy

[vapid gorge]

you can, it stacks to 500

build a BP full of connected ISC

[teal tiger]

hmm 1 container is 24 minutes

[vapid gorge]

about half an hour, you can stick MANY containers in a mk3

then just spam them

personally though I just process the waste and use the plutonium rods in drones

[fervent spire]

if you want to recycle the dark matter residue for synthetic power shards, how do you get that loop started in the first place? you need dark matter crystals to inject into the system at some point, right?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=e4WuWGdFackW0TgbaYrv

[fervent spire]

yes I know, I'm asking about how to actually get it started....

do you just build a bunch of dark matter crystals somewhere else and drop them in the manufacturer to start it off?

[vapid gorge]

burn a little sam if yo uwant?

[vapid gorge]

this is probably simpler though https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=40aNqnIboj9Q7IUfUAML

although it does cost you more in SAM

[fervent spire]

hmm yeah

okay this spot works pretty perfectly for that, seems good

finally about to hit tier 5 after only
checks notes
360 hours 🙃

[vapid gorge]

lots of options on different alt recipes though

pink diamonds is pretty grea thttps://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=WpyW1veKDW0PkWJsU1yd

[fervent spire]

yeah, diamonds especially have a lot of options. gonna use oil diamonds for mk6 belt time crystals at one spot with 1200 oil

kinda sad that diamonds don't seem super efficient to sloop

[vapid gorge]

it's duping, basically you always dupe hte last production step

or .. you know. don't dupe

[fervent spire]

yeah, I was just thinking about it for the mk6 belt materials, but in either of those chains I think the only one that seems worth slooping is the ficsite ingots

because converters only take 2 sloops and you need relatively few of those to make a lot of trigons

[cunning stump]

i don't really like duping either, the only time i have ever done it for actual production was because to the the amount of compacted coal i needed i would've had to go halfway across the map to get 30 more sulfur, so instead i just slooped 1 assembler to get what i needed

[stoic bison]

Me: "I guess I'll start my new save today and just play a couple of hours."

9 hours laters; 11:00pm: whoops

Basic assembly starter base done. On to coal power and steel

[frosty owl]

I mean... Plenty of calculators can do that (curved connections included), that doesn't sound like it makes yours any special
(Eg: SFModeler; SF Optimizer)

I mean, you're free to reinvent the wheel however you want, I'm just curios to understand wether you're also trying to improve upon it or not

[vapid gorge]

@spice crater you gave it too little bauxite and too little water to work with

you set it to 600 baux and 600 water

no idea why you limited the water

and your factory is definitely not working with the limited numbers you gave it and those recipes

it'll be a stuttering little factory

the link if you want it https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=rJm7HEdjgiqAYkHd9X8l

[spice crater]

It works fine. I wasn't gonna go halfway across the map to fine tune my inputs to what they are. And I am not adding 900 water I'm adding 600. The rest is recycled. I want it to tell me what I can make when I have 600 aluminum ingots/min. The only way I got an answer was this. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5iCwYWY6rv1ISqXmoxxw

But that was adding the amount/min as an input then I had to find even numbers for the output.

[vapid gorge]

the first link you made literally doesn't work with the numbers and bauxite/water

it is physically impossible

so either you made a mistake with your inputs, and you're using different input amounts, or your factory is a stuttering mess

[spice crater]

I know that. I said I wasn't going cross the map to check. Now I did since I wasted 2 hours when a pen and paper is easier may as well waste more time. Lemme actually punch it in since I wanna know now what it says.

[vapid gorge]

no idea why you limited all the resources if you were putting in numbers you were wanting to make

[spice crater]

Here is my factory to the . point what I put in. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Szrrni2WgHYaNjJYQKQw

Then I used the output in a input source and that is how I got the little sheet for casing and sheets

[vapid gorge]

ok but that's not the problem link you gave me in the first place - you see that right? and that seemed to be what you were upset about, that you did some basic math wrong

[spice crater]

No, I'm upset because I can't put in 600/min ingots and it gives me options to make with it.

I need to add the whole factory.

[vapid gorge]

yes it can https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5lWTls7MpESPLOYxT9qA

but that's a really shitty way to design things anyway. Set a goal, work backwards

but you still can do it that way

[spice crater]

Adding 600/min not producing

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[spice crater]

I wanna know what I can make for sheets and casing outta adding 600/min aluminum ingots. That simple.

[vapid gorge]

literally added the alum ingots

you didn't even bother looking jfc

[spice crater]

What about the casing? I want both made. And yes I looked.

[vapid gorge]

add another product

thisd isn't rocket surgery. You're actively misusing a tool and ignoring how it works because you hate it for irrational reasons

[spice crater]

I don't hate it for irrational reasons. I just want a list of how much I can make with an input. It asks for a number to make. I want it to tell me what I can make for an amount given what I input. I am overcomplicating a tool that is easier done on paper and I don't need to swap windows all the time. Sorry I brought it up. I see how it works now though so thank you for the tips.

[vapid gorge]

@small fractal this is too complicated? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69d3107e&is=69d1befe&hm=0bca44f0f695e011b943ed92e570b30928380c23fbda8c79d9f0efaca54452aa&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

you just don't connect the waste and fresh

[small fractal]

you have a point but the water extractors are doing their job perfectly to the point if I add excess water it js wont work I think

[vapid gorge]

Subtract waste water from total water needed to process bauxite = how much you pump

getting wet concrete is ... so much more work

[vapid gorge]

plus learning this method is useful later when you get GAS waste products

[unique cypress]

There is no calculator that can do that
Mostly because it's impossible to determine an answer to that question

[spice crater]

Why? It's just math. Put the input in and what you wanna make and done. Then add a slider to adjust each accordingly. I did it on paper so.

[vapid gorge]

because the slider affects everything else

and you can see what it can make by putting in inputs

[spice crater]

I guess. I just used the machines to make the items for rough numbers and messed with math to get my amounts.

Like I said I better give up on this one. Dumb to argue over a tool. At least I know how to use it better so that's a plus. Thank you.

[unique cypress]

Well yeah you'd need another setting

SF Optimizer can do that. Both fixed ratios and weighted optimization. But idk any other one

You can go to greeny's discord and suggest the slider or w/e as a feature for new tools

Though probably something similar has already been considered

[burnt topaz]

300 Power Shards/m require 600 Dark Matter crystal per min and not 320, why is it displayed wrong?

[unique cypress]

They're probably supplied from a different source

[brisk urchin]

there for sure is another arrrow pointing into that recepie with the remaining 280

[burnt topaz]

oh yea there is, it was just very well hidden

welp my bad

[viscid estuary]

this should be good enough right?

better then temporary automation stealing from the factory for my hub that makes for buildings

[dapper drum]

Giggled at rocket surgery

[dapper drum]

This isn't meant to sound sarcastic, but any amount greater than 0 is awesome

[viscid estuary]

and any amont that is not stealing from another factory?

[dapper drum]

Yup

[unique cypress]

I mean I just handfeed just enough to make the needed items and tear it down afterwards

Unless you're playing on 100x elev cost

[viscid estuary]

yeah but next eleavator launch will need more then 500 modular engines i have rn

[dapper drum]

Once you get to phase 4/5 I feel like that bites you. I've done that before

[viscid estuary]

i am stealing from a factory and hand feeding rubber to make 500 rn

[vapid gorge]

cramming extra parts into a container to feed space parts is perfectly fine

just have lots of storage

[limpid vapor]

More? #screenshots message

[tight socket]

can I put a junction and merge the refineries into a single pipe or do I have to keep them separate?

[zinc forge]

If mk1 pipe no, if mk2 yes

[fierce ruin]

What should I do with 2700 stell/min

[outer vale]

whatever you made it for in the first place

you didn't just make thousands of an item with no plan right

[ionic sapphire]

wouldnt be the first

[fierce ruin]

Maybe I did maybe I didnt 🤣 the original plan was to make iron pipes but I seen that it took 10 refineries out of the 11 I had put down so I thought the better idea would be to add coal and turn it into solid steel. Just didnt really have a plan for that excessive amount aha

I could make 40k screws with just the excess

[dapper drum]

was about to ask for help debugging a factory of mine... finally found it.

exactly 1m^3 output off of water on one water extractor

was too tired to find it last night lol

[vapid gorge]

that's a lot of storage

[vapid gorge]

what is the need to make them 1?

[deep fulcrum]

Would anyone happen to have a blueprint for mk4 conveyors which basically just makes all the iron and/or steel products?

[vapid gorge]

just make some basic blueprints with smelters/constructors

then input the recipes

[visual sky]

Could someone please explain to me how to properly use pipes? I really don't get it anymore. I've played that game for like almost 800 hours or so in multiple attempts of playing through this game and I thought, I understood the concept of pipes and how to use them, but I am now stuck with something, that is just weird to me and doesn't make any sense in my eyes.

I have the following setup:
15 refineries creating 40m³ per minute each (so in total 600m³ per minute). I am using mark2 pipes in the entire setup. So, these should not be a bottleneck here. At the end, I want to use the 600m³ fuel to power 12 fuel generators. All generators are overclocked at 250%. So each generator should take up to 50m³ fuel per minute - so in total using the entire 600m³ produced by the refineries. However, I am noticing, that the last 4 generators in the line barely get any fuel. So for example one is running at roundabout 70% efficiency, the other two around 40% and the last one is at just 13%!
Every other generator is running at 100% and all of them have 50m³ fuel at all times.
I have also noticed, that none of my refineries is storing their fuel in their internal storage (which I would expect, as they have to pump it into the pipeline) with the exception of the last two refineries. They have always more than 40m³ in their internal storage and eventually running full and therefore not producing at 100% efficiency and I just don't understand why.

In this awesome paint file you can see how they are all connected. Fuel generators FG 9-12 don't get enough fuel and Refineries 14-15 are running full of fuel

[meager kettle]

put a pump before the fuel gens

and/or loop the pipe from before the first fuel to the last one

[visual sky]

But why would that change anything? I would like to understand the root cause of the problem? I'd like to understand why the last generators aren't getting any fuel and why the last refineries are getting clogged up

[outer vale]

because pipes aren't belts, fundamentally. They're bidirectional

fluids can and will go both directions, which eats into your flow rate

[visual sky]

Hmm ok, that is also something that I've assumed and to test that, I did place valves between each refinery and thought that would ensure to make it flow in only one direction, but that didn't change anything...

[meager kettle]

root cause is the first junction dont really split things evenly. A pump adds pressure so you kinda brute force it. looping splits the flow to 300/300 and feeds it from both ends, which also helps with pressure on both ends

[outer vale]

valves don't really prevent backflow in that sense, there's an image floating around with the explanation but it's along the lines of the fluids bouncing off each other and so still appearing to flow backward

[meager kettle]

valves only stop backflow thru the valve itself. the fluid can still slosh back and forth inside the pipes before and after it, just not thru the valve itself

[vapid gorge]

show some actual overhead images using photomode, a lot of small details are important

[visual sky]

like this?

oh boy, I am so dumb. I've created 14 not 12 generators xD

[meager kettle]

yea

[vapid gorge]

was about to say 🙂

but also loop it like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1488410915371225188/1488735674763968614/image.png?ex=69d3cb64&is=69d279e4&hm=e7225bd4f360ad7879c08e76770ebd1e1dfcfda80f77ed051fb5c774bdea5b0f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

the pump is not generally needed before a manifold

it can sometimes help if something is just build a bit toooo wonky, but the loop typically fixes all the flow

[visual sky]

I tried it with the pump (mk2) and another loop around the generators, but doesn't look like it actually really helped. The two refineries next to the oil pumps (red circle) are still clogging and now the generators in the middle (green circle) do not get enough fuel anymore. though the ones on the far right are full now, which were the problematic ones before. I'll give it a try with the vertical loop suggested by @vapid gorge
Should I do it for all refineries? I would have done one loop for the five in the top left and another one for the ten at the bottom

[vapid gorge]

first flood the generator system by underclocking one or two to like 50%

when al lthe pipes , gens and refs are full of fluid, clock them back up

[visual sky]

Hmm, I'll do that, but I tried that also before and I am not sure, if it will help, because of the clogging refineries...

[vapid gorge]

full pipes tend to be much more stable, should stabalise

[visual sky]

underclocked 4 of the gens (by clocking them back from 250% to 100%), waited until all of them are full and overclocked them again. Can already see, that the gens in the middle are loosing fuel and the refs are still clogging... pipes are so weird... xD

[vapid gorge]

double check taht some of the fuel gens aren't at a slightly different height?

[visual sky]

Yep, all are on the exact same level

[vapid gorge]

if you rebuild your hub next to your power station and send me the save I can have a look, there's probably just something hard to see in these shots

[wind spade]

sharing saves is forbidden by #rules

[vapid gorge]

I'll have a look later today when my brain is working better
but yeah, shouldn't past files directly into channels 🙂

[visual sky]

oops, sorry. I'll remove it 🙂

[visual sky]

I think, I found a solution, that works for me. Still don't really understand why my initial setup did not work, but well, I am just glad, that it seems to be stable now.
So I basically setup two pipelines now. I removed the pipeline in the between generator 4/5 and 6/7 and I added two valves at the junction of refinery 8 and configured them to only let through 20m³ (half of the production) in each direction. That way, in theory I should ensure, that there is at no time more than 300m³ at any given time in any section of the pipes, which should be more than enough headroom for the mk2 pipes.

Hmm ok, not really a solution. While the generators are now working at 100% efficiency and have always 50m³in their own internal storage, the refinery between the two valves is now clogging... I just don't get it...

[wind spade]

remove valves

[visual sky]

There was a mk1 pipe section between the refs in the top left and the gens. Replaced it with mk2. Looks better now, but yeah, I think, the valves shouldn't be necessary... in theory xD

[wind spade]

they shouldn't be built at all. In 99% cases they just mess up flow (and in the remaining 1% it works same as it would without valves)

[vapid gorge]

glad it's working, sometimes a short bit of belt or pipe does that

[dapper drum]

You're a short bit of belt or pipe

[vapid gorge]

sometimes!

[dapper drum]

🤣🤣

[oak dawn]

Look at that pretty grey line, the other two don’t exist atm lolol

[quaint remnant]

@vapid gorge

i dont know why i both freight got filled

[vapid gorge]

From this it's impossible you have 2 platforms full of crystal

which is why I asked for actual pictures as something dumb is happening

[vapid gorge]

ok and photo mode on the actual stations

[quaint remnant]

how do i photo mode again

[vapid gorge]

press p

show how you're loading items around

[quaint remnant]

uh i m on a website, not in game lolol

[vapid gorge]

ah well if you're getting crystal on both platforms and this is a simple push pull you're loading it on with belts

or somehow you're feeding some of the loaded crystal at the delivery point back up to get loaded? something silly in any case

[quaint remnant]

alright i ll tinker something later, but one question
one loading bay -> 1 corresponding freight
if a train stop only have 1 loading bay, and train have like 10 freight, only 1 will load?

[vapid gorge]

yup

and only the one that's in front of the car

[quaint remnant]

something mega sussy is happneing

[quaint remnant]

it was my silly planning
car 1 was both in the slot to load for both sulfur and quartz lol, silly me

[vapid gorge]

yup that tracks

🥁

[humble sigil]

baseball huh

[viscid estuary]

so how are you able to turn the water supply on and off

if the aluminum plant idles the water will buffer and block the system

or will i be forced to sink all the aluminum ingots that overflow?

[wind spade]

don't merge fresh and byproduct water

(why do so many people misspell "sink" as "sync"? 🤔 )

[viscid estuary]

byproduct water is not enough to fill the demand

[wind spade]

that's why you add fresh water. But you don't merge the two

[viscid estuary]

here is the problem

if the aluminum plant idles it will overfill

[wind spade]

you have refineries running just on fresh water and refineries running just on byproduct water

[viscid estuary]

:/

[viscid estuary]

i want the aluminum plant to recycle the byproduct water

[wind spade]

that's what it does tho?

[viscid estuary]

yes but the problem is

if the plant idles it will buffer too much water

[wind spade]

no

only the refineries running on fresh water, which isn't an issue

[viscid estuary]

i want the byproduct water to go back to the begining stage

[wind spade]

look at the image I sent

[viscid estuary]

i can't do that

[wind spade]

it quite clearly goes back to the begining stage

why can't you do that?

[viscid estuary]

i figured it out

so this would not clog with water right?

[wind spade]

only the freshwater refinery

which isn't relevant

[viscid estuary]

yes

[vast jungle]

at least non of them will "input clog"... if you are clogging the output, there are still ways to make your factory stutter I think

[wind spade]

I mean you kinda want to sink all the products anyway

no matter what setup

[vast jungle]

thats one easy option to do it... I wonder if the priority merger would also work

[wind spade]

no I mean in general

no reason for machines to stop

[vapid gorge]

A dizen extra steps and more space? Amazing choice

[vast jungle]

not sure where you get "more steps", but okay...

don't we have a merger where you can set the priority lane now?

[viscid estuary]

well if aluminum ingots are not needed its fine for the aluminum factory to halt

i am borowing petrolueum coke from circuits so i don't want it to constantly run

[wind spade]

why tho? factory exists, so let it produce. Sink products if you have too much, you'll get coupons

[wind spade]

well, that's kinda bad™, make its own source of coke

[viscid estuary]

you are late and i have no idea what is going on in that picture

that's why i am using satisfactory modeler instead of wasting time and resources

[meager kettle]

recycling the water

[vapid gorge]

using a pmerg there is many more steps compared to 'not merging waste and fresh'

that's 'many' vs '-1'

[vast jungle]

I was talking about the merging of the aluminium scrap... because I had at least one case where the merging of this line was an issue to get the plant running again (I was not using a sink there)

no argument about the "not merge waste/fresh water"

[viscid estuary]

priority spliter priority merger both are pretty easy to unlock

[vast jungle]

wasn't existing the last time (1.0) I played

[viscid estuary]

well 1.1 is stable version of the game

and 1.2 is unstable version

1.0 is old version at this point

[vast jungle]

I know

[viscid estuary]

i am making coke for aluminum and turbo fuel for jetpack no more stealing

[meager kettle]

there does seem to be some issue with belts at capacity. only tried with mk6 so far. but overtime output buffer slowly builds up. Seems more affected the longer the belt and lifts seem to add to the problem.

[viscid estuary]

well if you design your factories to use 100% of the belt any stuter will make the belts buffer and the factory to remain partially empty

my fuel power plant for example has 2 480 belts to supply water but it only uses 800 water a min the extra capacity to prevent problems

[meager kettle]

no, i mean when merging

[viscid estuary]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager kettle]

did this experiment, each machjine outputs 600, merged onto a 1200 belt. short belt works fine. no issues. but increase belt length the internal buffer on the far left blender slowly builds up for some reason.

[deft mango]

What is the name of the app that everyone uses

[viscid estuary]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

Steam

Satisfactory Modeler

Model your Satisfactory builds. Set up your machines however you like, adding optional limits to the number of any of those machines and the tool will calculate how the parts will flow and how many of each machine type are getting used.

This does advanced calculations that no other Satisfactory planning tool can do, including figuring out how s…

small app and it runs better then browser

[deft mango]

Thanks

[wind spade]

wdym "better than browser"?

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[viscid estuary]

Runs better

and i like see both the building and the ingame icons for items

[wind spade]

"better" how?

[viscid estuary]

starts faster

[wind spade]

SFTools load in 0.2 seconds for me

[viscid estuary]

ok maybe not runs better

but look at this

[wind spade]

yeah, what about it_

[viscid estuary]

and look at this

icons of the buildings and items

it does not autofill every item you need you drag nodes and select what recipe

[wind spade]

yeah, f.e. cannot distinguish between ores unless squinting very hard

and SFTools have items view as well

[viscid estuary]

how do you even chose another recipe

[wind spade]

I'd consider that a disadvantage, I want to swap recipes quickly

[wind spade]

you go to recipe tab

check recipes you want to use, uncheck ones you don't want to use

[viscid estuary]

which is not that nice

i can use diffrent recipes for each branch

[wind spade]

you do that by having multiple tabs

[viscid estuary]

which is overcomplicated

[wind spade]

no, it encourages separate planning, which is way easier than one complex blob

[viscid estuary]

the app you drag and drop select drag and drop how ever complex your new factory might be

[viscid estuary]

complex blob you see the whole situation

[wind spade]

you will build it separately anyway

[viscid estuary]

you can seperate each stage by dragging them further

yeah but what if i want to see the whole chain

[wind spade]

you can drag'n'drop in tools as well

[viscid estuary]

you can't edit the visualizer

[wind spade]

you can drag and drop it

[viscid estuary]

so if i want to swap concrete to wet concrete for example i need to go to recipes uncheck that recipe and check the other when in the app you delete the constructers drag and drop a new recipe and reconnect the limestone node

both apps work but i don't like the browser one

[wind spade]

no, you just check wet concrete. Tools will use it if it's more resource efficient

and for wet concrete it may be easy in modeller to reconnect, but if you use a recipe in the middle of chain with different resource inputs, you have to redo the whole chain

[viscid estuary]

and the chain is autobuilt which is annoying

[oblique hollow]

you use modeler if you wanna do all the work yourself

you use tools if you just want an answer thats efficient

[viscid estuary]

yes

[oblique hollow]

thats the entire point

[viscid estuary]

also since this is math and meta the app needs less ram then browser lol

[vapid gorge]

it has zero labels and you can't share the plan

plus you have to manually build everything and can't change the recipes to see the effects on the whole plan

[viscid estuary]

that's why i like it

you plan the factory in the app and then built it. the browser shows what you need with autofill and being able to share

[teal tiger]

do i use the same system for fluids? just with 600 instead of 1200

[wind spade]

yeah

#design-and-architecture message

[teal tiger]

wow

def didnt think of smth like that lol

[teal tiger]

how would the import of that look like? the same?

[wind spade]

same, just inverted pump

[teal tiger]

can i use the big buffer instead of the small one?

ore is there any particular reason u used that one

[wind spade]

yeah, don't need big one for that

small is enough

[proven sphinx]

Hello! i am curious - whilist it's not the most efficient , would it be doable (like packed water) to bring packed alumina solution to another location? or is that just a waste? i know packed water is a decent way to transport water if you need massive amount and dont wanna use pipes

[unique cypress]

There are 0 practical reasons to move alumina

Convert it into ingots/casings/sheets and move those if you need to

[wind spade]

moving packaged fluids is just extra effort for no reason imo

[proven sphinx]

We already have the infrasturcture for trains around the whole map - and wanna build something up high - therefore fluids is not my best friend nor has it ever been :P

[wind spade]

and for alumina solution especially moving is pointless, since you want to recycle the water anyway

[wind spade]

that's not the only infra, you need packaging and unpackaging, and care about canisters, ... easier to move the fluid

[proven sphinx]

well i was just comparing using fluidwagons - empty canisters can just be sunk into the awesome sink

but i gotchu! thank you

[wind spade]

yeah, but if you sink canisters, you incur a cost of resources over time to carry something

which you can as well carry without packaging

fluid cars are just as fine (or most likely even better) choice than moving packaged fluid

[magic island]

The main argument against packaging or transporting Alumina is that it's pretty much always simpler to process it in the same place you're producing it. There are fluids that you may have good reason to move across the map, but Alumina isn't really one of them.

If you're building where your bauxite & water are, It's straightforward to ship in coal/coke/quartz and ship out ingots. Adding a fluid transport step in the middle, and producing byproduct water in some new location... not much upside to that.

[limpid robin]

does anyone know the best meta for getting biofuel? what area should i farm, wood vs mycelia, etc.

im currently attempting an ultra hard mode with my friends (2x item cost, 5x power cost, 100x space elevator cost) and im on the first space elevator delivery for 5000 smart plating. with alternate recipes and underclocking, we've got a 10 per minute smart plating factory that'll take 1.4 GW and need to run for 8 hours. based on my math we need 466.66 stacks of solid biofuel. we rushed somersloop overclocking by picking up steel pipes around drop pods, so we can get 2x biomass and 2x biofuel

[manic goblet]

I don't know the numbers for that change in item cost, but in normal play, you get a ton of biomass from alien protein. Would this be a viable route so you don't need to clearcut a big swath of the map?

[magic island]

yeah protein+sloops is the vanilla way to get bonkers amounts of biomass

but I don't know whether that power cost multiplier will nullify the benefit by making the slooped constructors super power hungry

[limpid robin]

thats probably worth considering, but its super hard to fight anything since i only have access to xeno-zapper and rebar gun. also, after collecting hard drives for hours, i ended up with like 30 alien protein (that could be 60 now that i have somersloop) which turns into like what 12,000 biomass? thats about 60 stacks which turns into i think 30 or something stacks of biofuel

[deep fulcrum]

Mycelia usually gives you more biomass than wood. If you're looking for biomass quantity, I suggest just running around the Northern Forest and collecting everything on the ground, or, for mycelia, going in caves and picking the mushrooms/ using the chainsaw on cacti around the rocky desert is another solid option. Regardless, I suggest rushing coal more than anything

[limpid robin]

trying to rush coal then the nightmare will be over for now😭

[deep fulcrum]

What version are you guys playing on?

[limpid robin]

1.2 experimental

[stoic bison]

Looking at "2x item cost, 5x power cost, 100x elevator cost" and wondering why you would subject yourself to that sort of early-game torture 😭

[deep fulcrum]

I'm guessing they got bored of vanilla

[fervent spire]

any alien power augmenters?

[limpid robin]

yeah lol, i mean the early game torture is almost over

[stoic bison]

1.4GW is like 45 biomass burners, right? good god

[nova vortex]

is this lake ok for my first nuclear plant???

[limpid robin]

possibly. ill need to get 900 more steel pipes around drop pods

[manic goblet]

It is close to the 600/min in the cave, but I don't know if it will be enough space to get all of the water needed

[stoic bison]

yea, rhetorical question lol

I mean, I'm the guy who thinks spreadsheet math is fun, and specifically don't use the SCIM in favor of creating my own custom spreadsheets

Sometimes torture in a game can be fun, especially if it's with friends

[manic goblet]

If you go to maximize Uranium Fuel Rods with that 600, you will make 14.4 UFR/min

[nova vortex]

oh ok i have abslutly NO clue what im doing atp i have no clue what all i need or how many plants i should even try to power

[deep fulcrum]

I get what you mean

[manic goblet]

Which if you run the extractors around 250%, that will be around 60 water extractors, which may fit in the lake

[nova vortex]

how many plants should i run? this is my first plant ever

[manic goblet]

I would go check out this tool: https://www.satisfactorytools.com

[nova vortex]

?

[manic goblet]

You could also pull 300/min from the normal node, which is 1/7 of the total uranium on the map. I would start small if it is your first nuclear setup

[manic goblet]

Yeah! If you go to the calculator, you can enter how much uranium you want to use, and it will give you a good idea of the resources you will need

[nova vortex]

ok i am just desprate for power atp i cant build ANYTHING else. i lowkey just need all the math done for me thats what i struggle with the most

[mint coral]

A plant uses 0.2 U rods a minute at 100% clock speed.

[limpid robin]

you can try mine its probaly gonna be buggy but it has a power plant mode that does all that for you

satisfactory.eshahrestany.dev

[manic goblet]

A lot of people also do a rocket fuel plant, which isn't as involved as nuclear setups

[stoic bison]

Good advice imo (as someone who doesn't use any of the online tools, so can't really speak to their usefulness), is to just plan to build the maximum amount of reactors that your uranium supply can support, and go from there.

You can always scale back if you run out of other materials, or belt those materials in from elsewhere, but imo reconfiguring a large-scale plan is much easier than planning small, finding you need more midway through the actual construction, and then having to redesign the entire factory floor to accommodate.

[mint coral]

@nova vortex

With no alternate recipes its 100 uranium per rod

[limpid robin]

in the top left go to the power plant tab and select the "uranium only" option and choose your target output

[nova vortex]

OHHHH so its not one rod per reactor

[limpid robin]

at least im assuming you dont have plutonium reprocessing yet

[manic goblet]

At 100% clock speed, 1 rod/min feeds five reactors

[magic island]

For a first nuclear project, what I would suggest is setting up the production chain for a single fuel rod Manufacturer, and building in such a way that you've got room to expand and duplicate that chain once you've got it solved

[nova vortex]

i had a 305 fuel gen setup im also making rn

[nova vortex]

OHHH waw okay

if yall had to pick one place on the map thats the "easiest" to make all this where would you pick

[mint coral]

No. With alternate recipies you can get a impure node up to 7.2 rods /min.

This is my current build

#math-and-meta message

[mint coral]

Swamp. Its a radioactive hell scape anyways. And it have everything you need close

[manic goblet]

You can make the fuel rods pretty much where ever is close to the resources. I would recommend running the plants over the ocean though, as you will need a lot of water, and it is easier to bring the rods to the water rather than the water to the rods

[nova vortex]

im sorry im not very familear with wht everything is on the map where is the swamp?

[magic island]

The actual main thing you want is lots of water, as well as access to as wide a variety of resources as possible. The uranium doesn't necessarily have to come from nearby-- you could ship it in last as the finishing step once the rest of the production chain is built.

[mint coral]

Far east below the dunes desert and north of the blue crater

[manic goblet]

To the east of where you are

[nova vortex]

ok sick thank you everyone for the help! i was very overwhelmed with all this when i first saw it

[manic goblet]

We are happy to help. A nuclear setup is one of the most complicated build chains in the game

[mint coral]

Nuclear is not a small project. I personally dont watch to sloop or OC anything as im trying to make power not use it.

This is just the uranium rods setup. I still need to workout the waste before I turn it on

[nova vortex]

be honest would rocket fuel be easier AND does it make MORE power per gen

[stoic bison]

easier? Maybe. More power gen? Definitely not lol

[limpid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/youknow-you-gif-19056787

[nova vortex]

oh ok never mind

[manic goblet]

Depending on how much power you want to produce, rocket fuel is a much easier setup and can generate a lot of power. You are just building 10x fuel generators compared to a nuclear plant

[magic island]

I would also suggest making use of Priority Power Switches before booting up a nuclear plant. If something goes wrong in the nuclear production chain and eventually causes an outage hours down the line, you'll want your grid to be protected.

[stoic bison]

unless I'm wrong and it does have more power gen somehow. I guess it all depends on scale

[limpid robin]

ive had so many playthroughs where i just do rocketfuel or turbofuel plants and never need to get more

[nova vortex]

ohh ok i have this all set up and ready except the placing of the 380 fuel gens

[mint coral]

Well the max power you can get in vanilla with clean nuclear is 1.4tw. But you'll use 600-800 gw to make that power.

If you need just functional power for the average player trying to get to endgame a 600 oil Nitro rocket fuel setup is way easier.

[manic goblet]

If you have shards, I definitely recommend sharding those so you can cut it down by 2.5x

[sour bear]

Can someone help me plan a basic factory using iron, steel, copper, and concrete derivatives? I'm new to the game.

[manic goblet]

You only need 152 generators as opposed to 380

[mint coral]

Here is a Nitro rocket fuel setup if you want a primer

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KiMC2ajn9OooWeQnWG3csgfZwU5j11qRiBTSdGtKUNs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[nova vortex]

oh ok i like to build ridicules things like my 450 noblisk a minute build

[nova vortex]

whered you build this setup?

[stoic bison]

Depends what resources are available and what online tools you want to/are willing to use. And what your end goals are for the factory. Hard to help when this is all there is to go off of

[mint coral]

Have you tried any of the calculators?

This one for example. You tell it what you want and it tells you what you need

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[manic goblet]

A lot of people like the Blue Crater in the SE part of the map, as that has all of the resources needed

[mint coral]

This is the swamp

[nova vortex]

ah okie think youu

[sour bear]

I'm trying to understand the Satisfactory Modeler, but I'm having difficulty transferring the plan to the game itself.

[mint coral]

Blue crater for fuel based power

[sour bear]

I managed to put together a very basic setup that produces rotors, reinforced plates, iron sheets, screws, and iron bars, but I'm stuck on that.

[mint coral]

Modeler needs a lot od game knowledge as you are essentially building the factory twice. Once in the modeler and again in the game.

Tools just gives you the
Raw numbers

[nova vortex]

wish me luck imma go start this monster

[manic goblet]

Good luck! You know where to find us if you have questions

[stoic bison]

Good luck!

[nova vortex]

do you recommend making the stuff at the nodes or taking it all to where the main thing is gonna be

[mint coral]

This is a smart plates plan i made by just selecting smart plates and telling it i want four.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MpL6b9JpdByqxkagqOqO

[manic goblet]

If you are going the rocket fuel route, pretty much everything is adjacent in the blue crater, so the logistics are not very complicated. You can pretty much belt or pipe everything over the crater

[stoic bison]

Again...what are your available resources, and what are the production end-goals of the factory? If you want to direct help rather than just using the tools/schematics people send, then more information is needed

[nova vortex]

im doing nuclear

[manic goblet]

If doing nuclear, the swamp isn't a bad choice

[mint coral]

I like moving things in its most dense form. But that is personal preference.

You can also belt, train or drone stuff wherever you want.

For example for my nuclear build i needed quartz crystal so I made that at the node then belted the more dense part to the facility making it into oscillators

[nova vortex]

ah ok ty

[manic goblet]

I am using all uranium on the map and making 50.4 rods per minute. For me, I am moving a lot around the map. I assemble a lot of basic parts around their respective resources, and move the more advanced parts to a central location for assembly

I build all of the non-radioactive support parts in the western forest

I drone in all uranium from around the map and make UFRs in the Lake Forest Area

And I drone the UFRs over to north of the Rocky Desert, where they are burned in my plants and plutonium fuel rods are produced

[tacit vortex]

Question: I've never really used tractors or trucks because I could never rely on them for a constant flow of resources, especially when conveyors were an option. Can anyone tell me why conveyors wouldn't be superior to using Tractors and Trucks? (Also, how do you make sure it supplies a constant amount of resources?)

[ionic sapphire]

tractors are fairly constant

[manic goblet]

When moving things a long distance, if you need more throughput with a vehicle route, you can add another vehicle. With belts, you need to add more belts, which can become tedious.

[dusky dust]

Vehicles can be 100% relied on once you're used to how they work and how to build them properly

[ionic sapphire]

theyre a fairly easy to set up and relatively cheap option

in comparison to belts over long distances

[dusky dust]

I've had zero problems relying on vehicles for logistics ever since one of the big "vehicle update" patches during EA

[manic goblet]

With 1.2, you can now build road networks, so it is easier to add vehicles to an existing road network

[dusky dust]

(Early in EA they did have some serious bugs, but I've not run into those since the big patch. Update 5? 6? 4? I forget which.)

But yeah, v1.2/currently-Experimental made some big changes to how vehicles work. If you've been afraid of them in the past regardless you may want to check that out.

Though IMO vehicles' poor reputation is very much undeserved; they've been quite solid for a long time now

[sour bear]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7PSeJRl3J81blBZkLsSZ

I tried to do something but I'm not sure if it turned out very well, could you give me your opinion?

[untold zephyr]

That a relieable source for planning production etc?

[sour bear]

I didn't understand, sorry my English is terrible.

[tacit vortex]

but once it gets to its location and begins offloading through the truck station, won't it have the same output amount? In theory you could have 5 tractors on one route, but because the truck station conveyor belt output isn't scalable it'd be as efficient as having one long conveyor belt stretching the entire way. And if you need to build the highway for the tractors anyway, why not just use conveyors?

[untold zephyr]

Is that a good Website? When i wanna plan my buildings and stuff like that

[sour bear]

I don't know either, I was just introduced to it lol

[ionic sapphire]

there are a few tools you can use for planning

just try them, and see which one works best for you

[untold zephyr]

Aight thanks sir

[shrewd robin]

hi

[ionic sapphire]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/
https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy?v=11
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[sour bear]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7PSeJRl3J81blBZkLsSZ

I tried to do something but I'm not sure if it turned out very well, could you give me your opinion?

[nova vortex]

THE SPIDERS ARE TERRIBLE

[manic goblet]

You can always add another truck station to the source or destination. You would still have the same route though, and that wouldn't need to be extended.

If you increased the amount of belts, you need to do that the entire way from the source to destination.

[tacit vortex]

The first time I saw one of the gas spiders, I fricking screamed.

[nova vortex]

THE THING JUMPED AT ME LIKE AWHHH HELLLLLL NAHHHHH

[sour bear]

I have arachnophobia; to me, they're just cute kittens.

[tacit vortex]

Now I just use nobelisks to kill enemies

[nova vortex]

SO GLAD I LITTERALLY CANT RUN OUT OF IT

[tacit vortex]

Does that mean the truck will try to offload at the first truck station, then try the next truck station if the first was full (provided the truck still has resources to offload), then the next and so on?

[manic goblet]

With vehicle routes or trains, once you setup a route or a train network, you are logistically set. You just add factories that branch off from that network; you don't need to constantly add more track or vehicle paths between factories.

With belting, you would constantly need to add more and more belts between factories as you expand.

So if you have a resource node that is going to go to a single factory, belting a short distance isn't an issue. That is a judgement call between a belt and vehicle. If you eventually envision you are going to bus a ton resources between areas or factories, it may be better to setup a vehicle or rail network.

[tacit vortex]

Lemme rephrase. Will it keep going to the stations (at its destination) until its cargo is empty?

[manic goblet]

Yeah. Trucks and trains effectively act like a giant manifold. If the first station is full, it will unload at the next station that is empty.

[manic goblet]

It will go to all stations on its assigned route and will unload its cargo at the first places that are empty

It will keep going on its route to subsequent stations even if its inventory is empty

If you have something load at A, and then proceed to B, C, and D. If it finishes unloading everything at C, it will still go to D before heading back to A.

[stoic bison]

Iron at 628/min is going to be a nightmare to balance. Definitely possible, but I'd advise against it.

Plus, do you have easy access to 628/min iron in the first place? With a mk1 miner, that's over 5 pure iron nodes.

I've said before, but think about both your inputs and final results. Since your final outputs are arbitrary (it looks like this factory is just for personal supply of items?), you can update how many of each item you are producing until the factory becomes easier to manage, and feasible considering the amount of resources at your disposal.

[sour bear]

Indeed, those 628/min are going to be a nightmare, I'll try to balance it better, thank you.Indeed, those 628/min are going to be a nightmare, I'll try to balance it better, thank you.

[wind spade]

you don't need to balance anything

[lone jewel]

not totally crazy, 480 + 100 + 48, all easy numbers to hit

[sour bear]

I'm new to the game, and honestly, it's all been quite confusing for me, especially since most of the communities are American and my English isn't the best.

[wind spade]

with clock speed you can hit any number

[lone jewel]

sure, depends on where it is in the chain

[wind spade]

you can use clock speed anywhere in the chain

[lone jewel]

obviously, i guess i meant where you are sourcing it from

not everything is always "in the chain"

[wind spade]

I'm not sure I understand what do you mean

[lone jewel]

in my nuclear power plant for example, i'm making 18k copper ingots in a separate (on-site) factory for example

[wind spade]

yeah, but you can clock things in that factory 🙂

[tacit vortex]

I guess my only other question is how does it know to go to that second station. If there are 3 stations are in a row in the blue crate and 3 stations in a row in the desert, how does the truck know to stop at the first station in the row (at the blue crater), how does it know not to continue driving to the second station (at the blue crater) (assuming that is actually the first station).

And once it stops at that first station (in the blue crater), how does it know that the next station to try emptying at isn't the first station in the desert.

TL;DR How does the truck know which truck stations are close to each other, and which have been specifically built to account for "overflow".

[lone jewel]

so controlling the clocks of the refineries making the ingots make no sense

[nova vortex]

is there a way to automate fabric?

[wind spade]

yes

[stoic bison]

Yes, but they're also splitting 150/min into a separate production line from the rest, and with the remaining 478/min, splitting it into 240/110/128 after smelting.

That was my point with "possible, but I'd advise against it."

It's not that the math is hard, and it isn't even the 0.933-underclocked smelter that is a problem. It's just going make the factory floor messy.

If they have the space, fine...but especially if they're belting in some of the iron from elsewhere, which is likely since they need so much with mk1 miners, it just gets to be a headache. Easier to fiddle with outputs to make the numbers cleaner.

[mint coral]

Im at work so I can't really check stuff atm. Before I was on lunch

[nova vortex]

how?

[tacit vortex]

I feel stupid. I just remembered you set which stations are unloading and which are loading.

[wind spade]

in an assembler

[manic goblet]

Trucks don't know what stations are close to each other. You need to setup the route for each truck on the network. They will then go from station to station on the route you set up by the shortest path possible.

[lone jewel]

150 is also super simple, 120 + 60/2

[manic goblet]

Yup. You got it!

[wind spade]

one group of machines makes 150, other one makes the rest
no need to "split" anything

[tacit vortex]

If it doesn't successfully unload at any stations, will it still go back to A and do it all again?

[lone jewel]

if you are not making the items "off-site", then just use groups of machines with the correct clocks

[stoic bison]

🤷

[manic goblet]

Assuming all unloading stations are full, it will go back to the load station and load whatever it can from there.

That is why it is essentially acting as a giant manifold.

[tacit vortex]

Are those windows actually slanted, or are they just slanted walls in the same location as full windows?

[tacit vortex]

Thank you so much.

[manic goblet]

I have the wall and window in the same spot, like you said

[tacit vortex]

I lied, one more question. If two trucks are operating on the same route, will it stop them from crashing into each other if they are running near each other?

[magic island]

trucks will load/unload as much as they can at every station they stop at. there's no smart overflow system

when delivering to multiple stations, later stops will not receive anything from the truck unless previous stations have a full inventory. then (and only then) will the truck have any leftovers to carry forward.

so you don't want to rely on overflow in that way unless you know that the first stop isn't going to use everything it receives

[manic goblet]

I didn't play around with them too much before 1.2, but in 1.2, they will not collide with one another.

[tacit vortex]

Finally!!!

[lone jewel]

you can go crazy with load balancing, this one takes in 700/min limestone, outputs 2x93.75, 2x180 and 152.5 lol. all of which are exact amounts needed, so no start up time

[tacit vortex]

How do you calculate that it will use up all those resources before the next shipment arrives?

[stoic bison]

Yeah. I know.

I just don't really know what the point of that is when you can always make the numbers cleaner. Or maybe I'm just not used to how those tools display the numbers, so it looks messier at a glance to me than it is.

[manic goblet]

It depends on your factory. Think of it as a giant manifold. If you are loading 300/min, truck stop A uses 100/min and truck stop B uses 150/min, you will be leftover with 50/min of inventory in the truck.

It will go to fill A fully at first, and then B will start getting inventory.

[magic island]

you just have to know the total amount of items being produced at the origin, and the total amount of those items being consumed at the destination.

as long as the source is producing those items at a higher rate, the station will eventually fill up and the difference will start getting transported forward.

[wind spade]

any number is "clean"

[nova vortex]

is this using mk2 or mk3 miners?

[lone jewel]

not when trying to load balance everything

[wind spade]

don't do that then

[manic goblet]

300 uranium a minute can produce 7.2 UFR per minute. If you are using the impure nodes, that would need to be a Mk3 miner, if you are using the normal nodes, that can be a Mk2 miner

[lone jewel]

🤷‍♂️ play however you want, and i'll do the same

[tacit vortex]

Thanks

[nova vortex]

alr

[viscid estuary]

so i have this aluminum factory that is perfectly balanced yet it keeps managing to clog with wastewater which means the fresh water system produces too much aluminum solution

how do i fix this or make it self draining waste water system

[lone jewel]

make sure you aren't running out of bauxite

[manic goblet]

Which machine is clogging?

[dusky dust]

If you're trying to comine the "fresh" and "recycled" water into a single pipe system, that is nearly always the problem on an aluminum setup

[viscid estuary]

it ain't that

[viscid estuary]

waste water loop

[dusky dust]

If you do want to combine the fluid, the most reliable way to do it is with a VIP Junction, as described in https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[viscid estuary]

2 refinery waste water 72% oc fresh water isolated system

[dusky dust]

Personally I always recommend keeping the fresh+recycled systems completely separate. Don't mix the two at all, and make use of machine clocking to ensure that the ratios all work out properly

[manic goblet]

So the output of the waste water loop is full of water?

[viscid estuary]

yes

[dusky dust]

For example, one (really tiny) vanilla-recipe setup which keeps them separate, and then a couple bigger modules from a sloppy/electrode setup which keeps them separate

As I say, if you are trying to combine the fresh+recycled, make sure you're using a VIP Junction

[magic island]

if the byproduct water is being clogged up, then there are really only two possibilities:

• you're looping it back into the fresh water source, which is blocking it
• the machines that consume the byproduct water are consuming it at a slower rate than you're producing it (check the clock speeds I guess)

[viscid estuary]

i am doing that already let me send photo

[manic goblet]

I would try something like this. I have a blueprint that is a similar setup to what you posted. The fresh water refinery is on the right, and the waste water refinery is on the left. For a vertical junction, the pipe coming in from the lower position will be prioritized first. So I am prioritizing the output of the waste water loop for input into the waste water loop.

[viscid estuary]

@manic goblet @magic island @dusky dust this is the whole system

[viscid estuary]

fresh waste system is oc to 70% now instead of 72

i think i am going to add a small water tank and see if its filling or draining

[dusky dust]

'fraid I'll have to leave the actual debugging to someone else, btw -- my brain's okay for General Advice at the moment but I'm still getting over a cold and feeling way too muggy to try and figure out actual numbers. :D

[viscid estuary]

could it be that i am buffering aluminum solution

that might stop water recycling

[lone jewel]

don't buffer any fluids

[magic island]

Is anything backed up other than the water? Everything here should (barely) fit through an Mk2 pipe but it'll flow more freely if you give it another path. (like connecting the alumina pipe to make a loop instead of that U shape)

[lone jewel]

in 99% of cases, buffers provide no benefit, and often cause more problems

[viscid estuary]

aluminum solution

[lone jewel]

there's 0 point in buffering the alumina solution

[nova vortex]

does it require any alt recipies?

[magic island]

I'd just turn that Alumina pipe from a U-shape into a ring. You've got the junctions in place, all you need to do is connect them and that'll give the Alumina a second path to flow through

[viscid estuary]

no i just forgot to oc the aluminum scrap refineries

[manic goblet]

I only have one set of freshwater refineries and one set of recycled refineries, but I am feeding the alumina solution directly across into the subsequent refineries. I wonder if your U-bend is prioritizing the fresh water system emptying its alumina solution over the recycled systems, which would eventually back them up

[lone jewel]

if you like to use buffers for the looks, just clip the pipe right through them

[viscid estuary]

i found the problem aluminum solution backing up means water will built up

that was all

[manic goblet]

For maximizing UFR production, it uses several. This link has the recipe for getting 300 uranium ore / min into 7.2 UFR / min: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7YdUhyL3NylHIbuxS3HN. It uses the Infused Uranium Cell alt and the Uranium Fuel Unit alt.

I also used several alt recipes for control rods, high-speed connectors, and crystal oscillators as well

[viscid estuary]

i can't wait for the pain of reactors where any supply chain issue means nuclear waste ☢️

[magic island]

hey, there's the other kind of issue where you're not producing waste because you're also not producing power

[nova vortex]

what clock speed is .667

[viscid estuary]

fuel power plant my beloved only problems i had was mixing up belts for diluted fuel that's why i built 10gw and not waited for alternatives

[oblique hollow]

66.7%

[viscid estuary]

do 0.667*100

[manic goblet]

What do you mean? 66.667%?

[oblique hollow]

or more likely 66.6666%

[nova vortex]

oh ok ty

[viscid estuary]

anytime you got weird oc values just multy it by 100

1.3*100=130%

[nova vortex]

in the thing it says 39.667 smelters

[viscid estuary]

built 40 smelters and oc the last one for 66% or leave it at 100% if you want to have extra items to buffer belts

[manic goblet]

Yeah, that would be 39 smelters at 100% and one at 66.667%

[nova vortex]

okie ty

[wind spade]

you won't have extra items though

[viscid estuary]

depends if you built like me and don't 100% the belts any hicups during building making mistakes and fixing mistakes means you will have enough production to fill the gaps quickly

[manic goblet]

Or you can be fancy and do (39.667/40) * 100%, which mean everything would be equally under clocked to 99.1675%. It doesn't help too much for 40 or something, but it can be helpful if you need 2.7 of something or 5.5 of something, and you want all the machines at the same rate

[viscid estuary]

that's why my fuel power plant buffers fuel and its still at 100% uptime all machines enough production to slowly buffer

[magic island]

If you're using 39.6666 smelters for something, your input is either 1190 iron/copper ore, 1785 caterium ore, or 2380 scrap

just round to 1200/1800/2400 and use 40 smelters at 100%. come on now

[nova vortex]

how do i do it so each thing gets the correct ammount of the item

[long bridge]

manifolds

[dusky dust]

Manifolds are the usual solution. One splitter in front of each machine, set 'em up in a line.

The machines at the "beginning" of the manifold will start by having way "too much" material, and the ones at the end will have far "too little." But the early ones will have their input buffers fill up, which will push the "having too much" status down the line, until eventually everything evens out

(at least, so long as the "feeder" belt on the manifold is supplying enough material for the machines hooked up to it)

For something like that plan, what I'd additionally do is split up the Iron Ingot smelters so that I've got a dedicated set for each of those outputs, rather than having it be one huge manifold

[magic island]

If you don't have Mk6 belts, you'll have to do something a little messier than a simple manifold (you don't have to fully load balance, but you will have to make sure multiple belts each have the capacity to fill their separate machines)

[dusky dust]

Though there's no avoiding having to have the Iron Ingot smelters hooked up in a manifold, really

Yeah, belt speed considerations are important to take into account, etc

[untold zephyr]

Fellas a Quick question about my production line.

I tried automating beton, and my miner has a output of 60 ore in a minute
And my constructor has a output of 15 beton in a minute..

So i did what every clear thinking pioneer would do and put out 4 constructors

[ionic sapphire]

thats not clever

look at the input