math-and-meta

[tropic zephyr]

I am sorry

[vapid gorge]

It's just not useful information to help you :\

[unique cypress]

Neither of these calculators are known to make mistakes so if they differ by more than like 0.1%, the plans are not identical

[tropic zephyr]

Here, I calculated the amount of iron needed for each of the factories I built separately, and it came out to 1058, which is the same amount needed for the factory I built in Modeler.

I didn't add all the fractions together; the difference is insignificant.

and all the necessary alternative recipes are opened

@wind spade As you said, I built modular factories, but the amount of ore didn't match.

[wind spade]

Then you had math error

[dusky dust]

(Or didn't use the exact same recipes, etc)

[tropic zephyr]

how

[dusky dust]

If you're using the same recipes, it is impossible for there to be a difference in ore consumption for a given set of outputs, regardless of whether you chop the factory up into small bits or keep it all in one

[tropic zephyr]

But I did everything exactly as you said.

I think I understand the problem; is it because two steel pipes are produced in the larger, dependent factory?

[dusky dust]

If your "modular factory" design didn't also use those recipes in the same ratio, then yeah, that could account for some differences

That's what I mean by "if you're using the same recipes"

[tropic zephyr]

Producing the same products in different locations is probably the reason for this.

[tropic zephyr]

No, the same recipes are opened in all of them.

To avoid any problems, I cloned the factory and removed all products except the one I wanted produced there. I repeated this process until all products had their own factories, meaning they were all identical.

[vapid gorge]

plug it into tools, it's a reliable one

[dusky dust]

Well, as we've said: so long as you're using the same recipes in the same ratios, there cannot be any difference in ore consumption unless there's some other kind of user error

I've never used whatever tool you're using there, so maybe there's a bug in there, I suppose

[tropic zephyr]

Ah, now I understand the problem! I prevented the same product from being manufactured in two different locations within the large factory, and now I need the exact number written on the modeler.

Hmm, I guess limiting ore levels is a bad thing.

Okay, I understand the problem now, thank all of you for your helps.

[oak dawn]

Looking for some opinions, I’ve been thinking about consolidating all of the bauxite nodes into one big factory to process into aluminum, is it better to consolidate it or just make separate factories closer to each node

[vapid gorge]

no right answer, it's however you liek to do things

do you even need all the bauxite?

[oak dawn]

Honestly not sure yet

[tropic zephyr]

How can I convert such a factory into modular, independent factories that use two separate recipes for one product?

[mint coral]

@left niche and @cinder silo both did this not long ago. looked like a pain

[vapid gorge]

have an input of part of the item come in from a different direction?

[tropic zephyr]

Yes

[cinder silo]

While you can and gathering all the ore into one location certainly works, Take your estimate on how long the logistics will take to lay down and at the very least, double it, you're considering a colossal build.

[vale sandal]

do trucks produce waste if i fuel them with plutonium fuel cells

[cinder silo]

No.

[wary rapids]

Id just like to ask where you found this calculator @tropic zephyr . as per how you make independent factories in modeler im still learning that the community tab in modeler discusses the outposts and blueprints features inside modeler. which can put your entire world into one modeler file. I'm in the process of condensing my save into one file.

[wary rapids]

Excellent. @tropic zephyr once you put any of your factories into and output it will tell you when you have a negative balance.

[tropic zephyr]

it is satisfactory logistics

[wary rapids]

awesome

[tropic zephyr]

Satisfactory Modeler is excellent for this; your entire world can be contained within Satisfactory Modeler, meaning it's a great place to perform all your mathematical operations. However, I first use Satisfactory Tools or Satisfactory Logistics to plan my factory, and then I draw the schematics of those planned factories in Satisfactory Modeler.

[vast jungle]

I mostly use only Satisfactory Tools... and do the rest "by hand"... works out reasonable most of the time 😄

[tropic zephyr]

I think doing it this way will give the best and most certain result, but I'm a bit lazy about doing it manually, so I use multiple programs.

[vast jungle]

I liked to dable in machine placement to get something within a certain area...

[open carbon]

How did you make your lines all straight?

[open carbon]

Thanks.

[open carbon]

Oh whoa everything looks so much... cleaner.

[tropic zephyr]

yeah :D

[wary rapids]

i was just looking for that and could not find it.

[mellow lake]

well what

[hidden roost]

im making a "city" with a bunch of roads. what would be a good way to distribute fuel to the trucks? would I just have to have a belt that goes underneath all the roads and distributes fuel to all the truck stops? bc that makes me sad lol

[mint coral]

trucks delivering fuel works too

[limpid vapor]

Right? The answer is staring you in the face

[hidden roost]

Im considering that, but thats an extra truck stop at every single building

which is the reason I didnt want to do it.

[limpid vapor]

Drones?

[hidden roost]

im not entirely sure yet, but some of the buildings will likely be much smaller than the big ones.

[hidden roost]

i mean the travel distance isnt too far which is why im thinking about using belts

the roads are taking up about half the dune desert atm, and ill probably expand to cover the entire thing. so drones dont make a whole lotta sense. trucks moving fuel definitely sounds like a good idea for longer distances from the fuel production building, but that would mean smaller buildings would require an extra truck stop. unless I leech fuel from a nearby larger building which does have a fuel truck stop.

thats probably what i will do. use a fuel truck and a few belts between buildings for smaller buildings. tysm for the help!

[limpid vapor]

[mellow lake]

is the impure or pure nodes better

[wind spade]

that depends

do you mean "better" as in "can mine more raw resources"?

[mellow lake]

oh my god

why you are harassing me

[wind spade]

do you want your answer or not?

[clear edge]

this is frying me lmaooo

[wind spade]

no idea why you're behaving this way towards people that want to help you

[tropic hazel]

just ignore him hes trying to waste your time

[wind spade]

I mean the two minutes for code compilation don't give me much to do anyway, so it's not really wasted 🙂

[tropic hazel]

yeah but youre just giving him what he wants

[gray kayak]

does anyone have a graph for aluminum water balancing using the coke scraps recipe? rn somehow i am introducing less water than necessary yet i keep getting overflow dropping efficency thx prior for any help/resource to get infos

[gray kayak]

omg thx a lot

[deep dock]

just starting to really get into teir 4 and 5. should i make more steel beams or more steel pipes with the limited resources i have at the moment?

[wind spade]

do you need more of them?

[deep dock]

idk. I kinda have a design process in mind right now so i dont really want to have to expand it in a days time. If my math is right. From my 720/min steel production, i can make 120 steel beams and 160 steel pipes per min

i think MFs are gonna be the choke point anyway

[wind spade]

don't make things you don't yet need 🙂 only make what you need now

[deep dock]

I need versitile frames and automated wiring

[wind spade]

then make those 🙂

[wary rapids]

i fixed the problem 3 per second loss in my swamp project.

[frosty trout]

is this worthit?

[dapper drum]

it's one of my favorites

[frosty trout]

I will take it but i doubt im gonna revamp my encased beams factory for it

might use it for my motors tho

[dapper drum]

nah, just keep it in your back pocket for later

[sly badge]

um with 1440 iron ingots per minute post phase two starting phase three what should i be focusing on? modular frames & motors?

[dapper drum]

focus on whatever you don't have automated tbh

[frosty trout]

yeah

[sly badge]

well i just tore down my entire iron factory

[frosty trout]

im suprised u dont have a modular frame factory already tbh

[sly badge]

i did but i tore it down to make it better

[frosty trout]

make sure u have all the basics automated first tbh

[frosty trout]

how many u aiming for now?

[meager kettle]

50% more steel from same amount of resources. What's not to like :p

[sly badge]

well its 480x3 so maybe 480 goes screws 480 goes rods and 480 goes plates

[frosty trout]

is it worth getting it before i make my motor factory

[dapper drum]

it all depends on how you feel like making it. it couldnt hurt to have it

[frosty trout]

yea I'll take it just tryna hyper tube launch to where my factory will be but its a pain making it there

[sly badge]

bro theres just no way i have to use 40~ constructors to make 480 iron to screws (using cast screws)

[dapper drum]

steel screws goes hard

1 steel beam to 52 screws iirc

[tropic hazel]

theres over 300 constructors and 100 assemblers and over 100 smelters on floor one of my megafactory, i think youll be ok

[sly badge]

no coal nearby should i just not make screws at my iron factory

[tropic hazel]

probably closer to 500 constructors actually

[frosty trout]

whats an ideal amount of motors pm to go for?

[tropic hazel]

whatever you think is good

[frosty trout]

js started phase 3

[dapper drum]

however many you need tbh. i've made it to late phase 4 with 2.2 motors per minute

[tropic hazel]

how ?

[dapper drum]

fully upgraded DD. i only have ever had an issue whenever i go to spam fuel gens with RF lol

[tropic hazel]

i think im gonna be doing 30 motors? i cant remember

[dapper drum]

i'm also not the fastest builder in the world so your mileage may vary

[frosty trout]

whats dd?

[dapper drum]

dimensional depot

[frosty trout]

im guessing motors is important for the fuel in phase 3 too??

[dapper drum]

they're important for trains, fuel generators, and later advancement

@tropic hazel i told a tiny fib. i looked on my map XD

[tropic hazel]

Lol

[mint coral]

Slowly Becoming a plague on this world

[safe bridge]

I'm trying to build a factory housed inside walls, which i'm not very good at

I noticed this gap between the framed windows and the half foundations above them

Is there such a thing as a quarter foundation, or is there something i can do to close the gap?

[mint coral]

You can use pillars

[safe bridge]

that's right, they can go vertical or horizontal

thanks for that suggestion

no gap!

[tender nest]

would this work?

the refinery on the far left is underclocked to 80%

[tough roost]

is this good?

the one on the left

ohhh i just noticed it says petroleum c oke

[vapid gorge]

all alt recipes are useful in their situation 🙂 bolted is very compact, coke steel replaces coal with oil

[cunning stump]

hey question, my rocket fuel gen pad with how big it is will end up going out into the zone where it starts to kill you, if i build out there it wont effect it from functioning correctly right?

[vapid gorge]

should only affect you

[vapid gorge]

you can also jsut build upwards instead, make more floors

[cunning stump]

well yeah i wanted to build this part all flat though to really show the sheer mass of the gens and to better show off my gen blueprint design, i think ive just decided to cut the leangth in half and just go twice as wide

[vapid gorge]

yeah I'm just not a fan of massive fuel stations

[cunning stump]

yes im aware you've said that before lol

[drowsy hemlock]

Just attempted my first vertical factory to make 8 motors/min. How did I do? Any suggestions as to how I could improve it in the future?

[tough roost]

Oh god i regret it already

[vapid gorge]

well yeah

[tough roost]

im to deep into it im finna add a entire grid to the map

[vapid gorge]

what does adding a grid have anything to do with it/

[tough roost]

so i can input/output anywhere in the map

[vapid gorge]

and all you've got is a zooped line of foundations with 1 belt

that's nothing

especially if you're using AGS

[tough roost]

what does ags stand for?

[vapid gorge]

advanced game settings, seemed like yo uwere for a bit

but yeah, 1 zooped line of foundations, 1 line of belts is... not deep into anything at all

[tough roost]

there is 8 lines connected

[cunning stump]

if you are wanting to do it this way why are you not using blueprints and auto connect???

[tough roost]

i am

[limpid robin]

hi everyone, i vibe coded my own satisfactory calculator since existing calculators were lacking certain features i wanted (namely the 1.2 game settings and adding somersloop to machines in the production chain). i thought it was way too cool not to share with the community. let me know what you guys think and what i should add next!

satisfactory.eshahrestany.dev

[tender nest]

maybe an automatic ID button if it does what im guessing (a form of exporting and importing the calculator) and autosolving since having to click solve each time feels a bit tacky

also doesnt tell you what belt you need which for me isnt a problem but im sure its a problem for certain users of it

oh and i cant tell if this is supposed to look like that

[limpid robin]

okay thank you for the feedback

i actually need to take it down for a sec while i make some changes

[tender nest]

yeah thats fine i dont have a problem with it if you take it down for a bit

[limpid robin]

i made a big oopsie

sessions are not stored per client

[tender nest]

this one wasnt important so dont stress yourself over it

[manic kiln]

Is there actually math in satisfactory

I’m ass at math so please tell me there isn’t

[tender nest]

theres a calculator

and tools to do it for you

the math in the game is very basic even then

@limpid robin buttons are still a bit finicky but then again, not the biggest deal in the world but i do also have a bit of a problem with not being able to exclude certain recipes / machines (eg: being unable to remove it using a converter)

[manic kiln]

Oh alright

[tender nest]

iirc you can get the ingame calculator by clicking n

[noble ermine]

how much plastic and rubber should my next factory make per minute combined?

1. 6400
2. 10,000
3. 16,000
4. 20,000

[wind spade]

the answer: how many do you need?

[noble ermine]

an amount a lot more boring

[wind spade]

why not make the amount you need then?

[noble ermine]

bruh

[frosty owl]

Have you tried SF Optimizer yet? ^^
(It's on GitHub)

[west saddle]

Hello!

First of all, I love the design.

Secondly, I don't know if the feature is actually in or not, but I would like to be able to "disable" some machine so that it doesn't give me any chain that contains it.

For example, to test the tool I've put 10 HMF and clicked Solve, the tool created a chain where it uses some converters, I would love to be able to disable them.
Same with ores, just like other tools like satisfactorytools do.

Except that, I find that's a pretty good tool

[frosty trout]

for this could I just chuck all the rods onto a manifold and do it that way?

[vast jungle]

even if one side will "fill up first", the Assembler will block after a while, which will balance the manifold

or the input of the Screw-Constructors will

[frosty trout]

would it eventually end up being 100% efficent?

[vast jungle]

with the stack size of Screws it "might take a while"

at least do yourself a favor and do NOT manifold the Screws

[wind spade]

you could also make two groups of rod constructors, one making 50 for rotors, one making 62.5 for screws

[frosty trout]

I just remembered I have cast screws so im looking at the layout for that

[wind spade]

eh, it's still fine to do so, by the time you're finished with the factory, it'll already be half-filed anyway

[vast jungle]

there is a reason why "you are screwed" is a well known saying in Satisfactory

[wind spade]

screw hate is very much overrated tbh

[vast jungle]

tbh its the same "issue" with Quickwire... if you just produce them more locally you are fine with both

[frosty trout]

tbh If I chuck all the iron ingots into a manifold which then goes into the line of constructors of rods and screws and then seperate the screws and rods

[mint coral]

use whichever you like. I mostly dont mind machine Quantity so i would not use Cast screws

[wind spade]

yeah, there's no difference between wire/quickwire/screws in that regard

[vast jungle]

put three Constructors for Screws besides each Assembler (one underclocked) and the issue of Screws go away

[brisk epoch]

I have a steel ingot -> steel rod -> screw and pipe -> rotor blueprint for that reason hah

[vast jungle]

BPs are insanely useful for small modular machine groups...

[brisk epoch]

even though the space use is slightly higher but it is worth it

I also have one for stators

came in handy with having to build 375/min worth of motors lol

[frosty trout]

all this for 5 motors/min

I'll probs make another one that also makes 5motors/min

[vast jungle]

just wait until you progress to Motors and Turbomotors... it gets even more insane 😄

[mint coral]

this is labeled lol

[vast jungle]

I tend to add labels to the inside of my BPs... so I can read later what they need as input after using them for a while

[unique cypress]

I love when newbies say "all this" and it's like a dozen machines 😆

[frosty trout]

its a lot to me ahahha

[mint coral]

Both.

[frosty trout]

not really been bothering to make any factorys look nice tbh

[mint coral]

For sure. As you play your perspective will shift. 2km away will begin to feel close. A large factory will become a small supply building

[frosty trout]

Yeah I did oringially try a hypertube launcher over to my motor base but I kept dying so I just made a fat long line of hypertubes over addded onto the launcher

[vast jungle]

I typcially take the train everywhere 😇

[frosty trout]

i almost have access to that

js flew over here and forgot to bring more concrete

[vast jungle]

getting enough Motors and Modular Frames can be really annoying when you aim for trains... thinking about trying a new run when 1.2 hits stable to test out trucks

[mint coral]

Im lucky enough to have a Desktop and a Laptop that can play the game. So ive been tinkering in creative mode. The new vehicle pathign is nice. I imagine they will take this and apply it to trains eliminating signal issues.

[vast jungle]

I like working with train signals

[mint coral]

i like them but the bugs are frustrating. When learning i though I was failing but it was just placement bugs

[wind crown]

Trucks are feeling real good in 1.2, it's something to look forward to

Haven't tried fluid ones yet, but I'm excited to unlock them

[vast jungle]

I used quite a few fluid trains, so I am curious about both solid and fluid trucks...

[mint coral]

@long bridge I essentially make one Googlesheet for a world. every facility (separated via Power priority switches) has its own page in the book. this allows me to record all resources gathered and parts produced by a facility

this allows me two LINK pages when resources are sued between facilities.factories

this world got out of control due to my mental state adn i gave up. Last world i have a 26 page document

there is many Sheets made the community online already you can use one of them as a starter and get ideas of how to make your own

[long bridge]

Is there a website with the community made sheets? I have an idea just not sure how feasible, although separate pages could definately help

[mint coral]

no clue. I havent looked into it since Early access

[frosty trout]

still waiting for it to be running at 100%

[vast jungle]

exponential waiting time...

[frosty trout]

yeaa its taking its time sadly

[vast jungle]

there are a couple of tricks to reduce wait time, e.g. switch off the first machine in the manifold as soon as the input is full...

continue until they are all full... this way you reduce the exponential to linear waiting time

[frosty trout]

I'll js let it run it works atleast

[vast jungle]

I think I remember waiting for a 16 long Wire Manifold for some Rotors... -.-

[frosty trout]

daymnn I mean now my motors are being made Im redoing my encased beams

[cosmic belfry]

welp I got shit for using normal fuel instead of diluted fuel lol. I need 194 plastic and 75 rubber / min to automate all the stuff I don't have automated yet (computer, ai limiter, HMF, ACU, modular engine, circuit board) and I figured I'd make a bit extra of each even though I have a bunch of containers full. seem like a decent plan for my first time doing some interwoven production lines?

[molten jungle]

any advice this is gonna be my tier 2 factory in the dune desert anything yall think i should improve on

[zealous vessel]

anyone happen to get why my 10 way isnt working? or if anyone happens to have a mk1 blueprint for a 10 way split, id be happy to take it/

[maiden lodge]

i can come into ur world to help u if u want

[zealous vessel]

Im not playing anymore

But uhm, is the loopback not working just modeler tweaking or?

[mint coral]

just..... use a manifold

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[zealous vessel]

Nu uh, i wanna split

My autistic brain cant handle a perfect factory

[wind spade]

whether you use manifolds or balancers doesn't change that factory is/isn't perfect

[zealous vessel]

True, but you get what i mean

I dont wanna wait 5 hours ingame for it to work at full capacity

[wind spade]

yeah that doesn't happen either

[zealous vessel]

I don’t overproduce anything. So like how would it even fill fast

Doesnt it take like ages

[mint coral]

1:10 splitter lol

[unique cypress]

Bottlenecked

[teal tiger]

il go crazy if this goes on

[trail osprey]

holy modular stack, this is mk3 isn't it?

[teal tiger]

mk6

[trail osprey]

i mean the bp designer

[teal tiger]

oh yea mb

[trail osprey]

allg

[zealous vessel]

So then my chart was right, it was just modeler tweaking

[ionic sapphire]

are the lifts outside of the planner ?

[teal tiger]

nope

[summer flare]

Your chart wasn't right. Here's a suggested non-bottlenecked 1 to 10 way split - it's just 2 x 1 to 5 ways.
If you want to have it in Modeler it can be done - just realise that Modeler wasn't designed to do this and loads of splitters/mergers can affect the calculator time.

[frosty trout]

first attempt at crude oil stuff. Made a 150pm rubber and 150pm Fuel factory, probs isn't the best i can do at this stage in the game but never done anythin with crude oil before

[ionic sapphire]

-# rubber is borderline useless early on

[frosty trout]

only making it for 1 the milestones and 2 js to learn how crude oil stuff works

[mint coral]

BUT Heavy flexable frames !!!

actually now that i think of it all my poly byproducts are used for rubber. almost no plastic at all and im coming to the end of phase 4

[ionic sapphire]

^ what the parent call the one queer child

[mint coral]

admitedly this is because i choose to make my ACU and computer component facilty before i used any oil

[meager kettle]

Need it for modular engines

[trail osprey]

honestly you need a shit ton for generators

17k for only around 350

[timber hollow]

Is there actual math we can get from the devs on gas functionality? Like who do I have to ping?

[vapid gorge]

define 'gas functionality' ?

gas tries to even out across a whole system, and doesn't care about headlift. What else do you want?

[timber hollow]

The actual gas calculations that go on in pipes = "gas functionality"

How fast does it propagate, how much density in a pipe is enough to allow a generator to function? Volume doesn't matter in the case of a gas, unless pressure is also involved. So how much of real world closed loop gas calcs actually carry over to the game. As I already know UE is great with fluid dynamics and modeling systems. So....

[vapid gorge]

there is no density, pipes hold certain volume that's it
propogation also doesn't matter, you want to flood your system in any case and you don't have any real control of that

[copper igloo]

goodness

this is a silly factory game and this channel exists

[timber hollow]

I take my fun seriously. 🤣

[copper igloo]

im the spaghetti master i have no business being in here. in my factories, conveyer belt is conveyer belt.

[fallow creek]

HELLP I HAVE A DESPERATE MATH/GAME MECHANIC QUESTION

IF I HAVE 180 INPUT IS THERE A WAY TO DIVIDE IT UP INTO 100/80?? I'm on phase two so far (i gave up on the caps lock bit lol)

[vapid gorge]

1 splitter

it'll self balance

[fallow creek]

huh

thanks

[vapid gorge]

that's just a manifold 🙂

[vapid gorge]

as long as one side isn't heading to a sink it'll self balance 🙂

the other easy way is to clock your machines so 1 group makes 100 and 1 group makes 8 and put them on 2 belts

[fallow creek]

thank youuuuuuu

im getting used to all of this lol

[vapid gorge]

manifolds are a life saver , you can basically use them everywhere

[fallow creek]

i just started actually making a layout of machines and stuff and not just ploping down some spaghetti

[vapid gorge]

part of the learning process 🙂

[fallow creek]

well anyway. Thank you very much Ima go do more math lol

[half frigate]

can someone explain satis maths to me please? shouldn't the cycle time be 8 seconds not 32 for 7.5 per minute?

60/7.5 is 8 not 32

[vapid gorge]

8/7.5 x 60 = 64 seconds.

that's 2 cycles. Maths out

[half frigate]

60/7.5=8

[vapid gorge]

why does that matter ?

[half frigate]

i still feel like the cycle time shouldn't be 32 seconds

[vapid gorge]

2 cycle times is 64 seconds
2 cycle times is 8 parts

[half frigate]

i'm not as great at maths as i used to be so forgive me if i sound stupid in this convo

[vapid gorge]

8 / 64 = 0.125
0.125 x 60 seconds is 7.5

[half frigate]

yea okay

[vapid gorge]

no sweat, you're just looking at it the wrong way 🙂

if it's more helpful the parts per second on that recipe is 0.125 xD

[half frigate]

okie

[smoky pawn]

what's the main purpose of em?

[dapper drum]

To distribute parts to a line of machines

[meager kettle]

4 items every 32 seconds. 4/32 = 0.125 items/second x60 = 7.5 items/minute

think you missed its making four items in one cycle, not just one item

[wind spade]

also, you're using wrong wiki

[half frigate]

how? i get that for certain things but like, those are the values in game

[wind spade]

you're using fandom, right? that hasn't been updated for ages and is not the official wiki

some things may still be true due to game not changing it, but that's still not a reason to use old wiki

[half frigate]

i was busy and wasn't going to boot up the game to check because i've deleted the worlds that had access to that item

[glad apex]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @wind spade

[wind spade]

use the official wiki instead 🙂

[half frigate]

exact same values

[wind spade]

yeah, but up-to-date wiki

[half frigate]

aight

[vast jungle]

and less annoying popups

[robust tulip]

is there a formula for how much the energy cost increases per overclock?

[river night]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Advanced_clock_speed

[robust tulip]

i thought it was exponentially increasing

don't they say that when you unlock the shards?

acc wait nevermind i read that × as a + mb

[river night]

its a power law, not exponential growth, in every day speech those often get confused

eg. a fixed exponent rather then the variable in the exponent

[robust tulip]

so it is or it isn't exponential?

[river night]

it is not, its a power function (not power as in energy, power as in .. math)

the formula is on the wiki page

[robust tulip]

but there are no powers to be seen

(please forgive me for my ignorance, i haven't finished high school yet)

[river night]

Energy usage = usage at 100% * (clock speed / 100) ^ 1.321928

The clock speed is taken to the power of 1.321928

[robust tulip]

where on earth did the 1.321... come from?

[river night]

its log2(2.5), which means to double the clock speed, you need 2.5x the power

[vast jungle]

its directly stated in the wiki

[river night]

(also explained on the wiki)

[unique cypress]

Or, as greeny corrected me once, log2(2.5) rounded to the 6th decimal place

Not that it makes a difference

[mint coral]

I need to plan out Babies first nuclear plant today. Im going to setup in the swamp. Anyone have advice before i start? My plan is to sink plutonium rods

[subtle wasp]

im no expert but u should prob sink the plutonium rods

[mint coral]

@subtle wasp this guy is a never ending fountain of comedy and cheer 😛

[wind crown]

I'm no expert but u should prob not sink the plutonium rods

I don't know how sinks work, but I would be real careful handling nuclear materials. Throwing them in your trashcan is not safe work practice

[mint coral]

You give them to doggos obvi

[vast jungle]

sounds like a good plan...

[unique cypress]

Don't use fertile uranium, instant plutonium cells or plutonium fuel unit

Build the reactors above a large body of water, with enough space to fit extractors underneath or right on the surface with enough space to fit extractors right beside the reactors

[wind spade]

recipe choices are up to you but I agree with the "build on water"

[vast jungle]

yeah, Nuclear tends to be "water hungry"...

and you might need a plan how to black-start your power if the worst happens 😄

[mint coral]

I was going to start my phase 4 nuclear pasta today but realized I wont have enough power. I'm forcing nuclear as i always default to NRF since 1.0

advice is appreciated ^_^

[wind spade]

honestly, as always - play on your own and make your own decisions 😛

[mint coral]

I run a Main grid system using power Priority switches to make sure power generation is always the top priority.

[mint coral]

generally how i roll. Just wanted some feedback to pump me up for doing it. ^_^

[vast jungle]

geothermal is also great for a "cold start"

[bronze kestrel]

I'm really confused by something right now. So 1 constructor is making 50 cast screws a minute. One assembler is using 100 screw a minute for rotors. For 10 rotors/minute you need 7.5 assemblers with a total 750 screws a minute. I currently have 7 @ 100% and 1 at 50%. This means i should connect 2x7 constructors at 50screws a minute to 2x3 assemblers. What will give me an total overflow of 100screws a minute right ? Then i have 1 constructor left for 50 screws a minute. What gives me a total of 150 screws for my last 1.5 assembler ? That uses 150 screw a minute. (Well omg.. now that i have writen it down it all makes sense)

[vast jungle]

don't forget you can overclock and underclock to get exactly what you need

oh, and beware that Manifolds with a high "stacking count to usage/min" ratio will take a LONG time to balance out... which happens quickly with Wire, Quickwire... and Screws

(Nuclear Fuel Rods is another thing you should better not Manifold)

[wind spade]

tbh it's fine, as you usually don't need all the power immediately anyway

yeah, there's radiation, but if you just build the nuclear somewhere far (usually on top of ocean anyway), it's not a big deal

[vast jungle]

I think the problem would be that its difficult to debug if something is wrong or its just you have to wait 10 more hours until the Manifold is ok

[bronze kestrel]

Well yeah, i'm just very rusty. Before 1.0 i had a lot set up with drones, and trucks. And so on. Now that i'm back. Simple screws are messing me up 😄

Also i'm missing my smart splitter so bad 🙁

That overflow thingy made things so easy for what i used to build. Working without is making it all a mess again

[brisk epoch]

Sounds like Dark Matter Trap is a reasonable tradeoff if you have loads to power to burn to trade for half the SAM ore usage

[mint coral]

If im reading the wiki right U Rods burn at 0.2/min generating 10/min of Waste. there is no Water byproduct? for some reason i thought there was (i am likely thinking of a different game)

[brisk epoch]

indeed no water byproduct

[mint coral]

ty

[brisk epoch]

I am having issues getting my nuclear plant to roll at 100% (generally 97-100%) but I am putting it down as lag due to water piping hah

[mint coral]

I think I'm going to direct feed each reactor with underclocked manufactures

[brisk epoch]

I did manifold them and did take forever to come online fully but that's fine lol

[vast jungle]

if I ever try to build a nuclear powerplant again, I will again balance them... its not that difficult, regardless the numbers... and there are ways to make a balancer reasonable compact

[brisk epoch]

I ended up getting balancer mods haha

[mint coral]

not that space is a issue considering how big reactors are lol

[vast jungle]

its not that bad in vanilla... you can make a balancer for 100 receivers just with 7 belts stacked on top of each other (and one return belt)

[frosty owl]

Water byproduct comes in the second stage (Plutonium), maybe that's what you're thinking about?

[mint coral]

likely, I havent mathed that far yet, Thankyou

Im going to build out nuclear rods, set it all up. but not turn it on. Then ill build out Plutonium. I Do not want to store waste.

[frosty owl]

NO CAPESWASTE!

[mint coral]

for the Waste water can i feed it back into the reactors similar to Alum setups?

[vapid gorge]

please don't try to use waste water from a different set up to feed yoru power systems.

why would you link those up

[frosty owl]

You can, but it's so little advisable that earlier on I was considering suggesting it to you as a meme

[mint coral]

ive tried nothing as of yet ^_^

[vapid gorge]

you really really don't want to have your power system fed by a future step

[frosty owl]

I think the easiest/quickest solution is to feed the byproduct water to one of the Acids productions (you need both acids for Plutonium). The numbers should work out to a 1:1 iirc, with at least one of them (ie: acid production needs as much water as Plutonium production makes)

[mint coral]

thats fair

[candid fossil]

whats the best wa y to pipe 30 pipes of 140 water into 2 machines of 500 and 8 machines of 400?

[frosty trout]

little 800pm quickwire

[meager kettle]

why 30 of 140?

[candid fossil]

aluminum scrap clocked to like 133.333333

[dusky dust]

My advice is: don't! If you need 500/min in some pipes and 400/min in some pipes, just merge together the necessary extractors right at the source (underclocking/overclocking the extractors so that the number line up) and then pipe them direct to the machines (so you end up with 2 pipes carrying 500/min, and 8 pipes carrying 400/min)

Pipes like being simple!

(Pipes also like being short -- try to build in places where you can get the water to the machines with as little intermediate space as possible)

[candid fossil]

im not using extractors for my question, i should of been more precise sorry, its regarding my aluminum waste water recycling

and due to the fact their is so many machines it also isnt very possible for the pipes to be less than like 60m

[frosty trout]

I fear this much quick wire Isn't necessary but we ball

[candid fossil]

it will be lol

[frosty trout]

good when the time comes I'll probs like train whats needed over

[candid fossil]

exactly

[dusky dust]

Ah, no worries. I always do that in "modules" and under/overclock to suit. For instance here's a couple modules of electrode/sloppy setup. (I think the electrode refineries on the top are at 100%, and the sloppy refineries on the bottom are at 75%/75%/60%/15%/75%)

[candid fossil]

i think my ||electromagnetic control rod|| factory needs like 3600 quickwire

[candid fossil]

are all the mahcines here scrap?

also im confused on which side is inpute and output lol

[dusky dust]

Sloppy on the bottom, Electrode on the top. Fresh water's coming in from the bottom; everything else gets recycled

[frosty trout]

crazy, At the moment I've just been focusing on working on getting all the baisc material factorys running like I have my encased beams at 22.5pm which I could upgrade now with better conveyers but I'll do that annother time, plastic and rubber at like 500pm i think and so on

[dusky dust]

(Of course it'll look different depending on what recipes you're using and such, but the same concepts will help regardless: build in modules and you can make nice little closed loops that are isolated from each other)

[candid fossil]

ahh electrode scrap.. interesting

i actually need to check on that i forget which recipe im using, made this factory awhile ago - it broke and now im trying to fix it

[candid fossil]

almost done the game, running on 4.5 encased beams 💪

[frosty trout]

well if thats the case I wont bother upgrading it ahaha

[dusky dust]

This is an obviously-much-smaller vanilla setup, btw. Alumina Solution refineries at the "top" are all at like 66.6667% I think

I may have done some fiddling with the clocks so that I didn't have to worry about repeating decimal stuff; don't recall

[frosty trout]

all my basic steel basic iron and basic copper factorys are all on pause

[candid fossil]

i think there is a lot wrong with my setup... i have like 90 different pipes just for 6000 aluminum ingots per min

theres just too much going on in too small an area

[sturdy drift]

What could be the reason for this ref to not "pull" the hor? (sorry bout colors, I play w/ hdr lol)

[dusky dust]

Yeah, if you're gonna build "at scale," modular is the way to go. Lets you refine your approach and correct "mistakes" before you're too far in, too

[candid fossil]

how so would you do modular for aluminum tho?

[dusky dust]

Make one module, make sure it works as well as you want, and then repeat until you're making the quantity you want

[candid fossil]

oh... fair

[dusky dust]

Essentially stuff like that first image I showed. I think each module there is processing like 600/min bauxite

[candid fossil]

i went all in immediately, 15 pipes of alumina, 40 pipes of water, like 60 conveyors 😭

maybe i just scrap all o this

oh yeah also 250 smelters

[frosty owl]

The pump below the floor seems awfully close to the junction behind it
I'd start by making sure there's at least 1m of exposed pipe between any elements of the pipework (eg: 2 junctions, pipe & junction, junction & floor hole...)

If moving the pump wasn't enough to fix the flow issues, I'd be worrying about the short pipes between junctions and floor holes, below the refineries...

[meager kettle]

pumps dont pull, they push. might just need time to let it settle

also i would just pull pipes thru the floor holes, not connect to them

[frosty trout]

would this type of fuel layout be efficent in larger scales?

[meager kettle]

not with that piping :o

[frosty trout]

:p

[dusky dust]

My advice would be to pipe the fuel directly from the Fuel refineries-or-whatever into the number of fuel gens it supports (ie: rather than combining the output from multiple Fuel refineries, have each refinery send fuel to a specific set of gens). Avoid buffers, and avoid linking up pipe systems like that

[mint coral]

a bit more resonable

[frosty trout]

that looks pretty solid is that effective If I run fuel from one refinery into however many fuel genns it can power

[frosty trout]

yeah the buffers are only there because its residue fuel and needed some place to store that so the rest of my stuff in that chain runs

[mint coral]

you can use auto-connect to scale

[dusky dust]

The Fuel refinery will tell you its output rate, and the fuel gen itself will tell you its consumption rate. Some math will get you the answer! (I don't recall any of the numbers off the top of my head)

[frosty trout]

yeah oki I just thought I'd make a temp one but sometime once I've finished my other stuff im gonna use a specific crude oil node for the fuel

[dusky dust]

Buffers are never actually needed for situations like that, and are far more likely to hide problems (which then suddenly show up hours later when you're no longer looking at the systems) than they are to solve anything, btw.

If you want the easiest time with pipes, you want your pipe systems as simple as possible -- Buffers introduce a lot more complications than many folks realize

[mint coral]

KISS

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

[meager kettle]

or Keep It Stupidly Simple :p

[dusky dust]

Keep It Surreptitious, Shhhhhhhhh...

[frosty trout]

the reason I had the buffers is because once the refinery of residuel fuel gets full the whole system stops I dont 100% know why but Isn't it because when mmaking rubber it has to make the oil residue so when oil residues full rubber wont get made right?

[languid patio]

I couldn't much get a good angle so pardon if this is a bit hard to unpack. This is a compact manifold-fed furnace stack capable of supporting 300 Iron per minute (10x Furnaces 5 per side). It took Its time backing up but it works for my uses. Id like to know if anyone has a better concept for future reference?

[mint coral]

yes you need to clear buffers (the resource pool in the machine) at all times

[dusky dust]

You do need to make sure that all components of your fluid systems keep "moving," for sure, and if you don't have an automated way to deal with byproducts and such, having buffers would technically buy you a bit of time inbetween having to manually flush things

But the buffer won't solve that problem, it'll just make it marginally easier to deal with. Longterm you don't want to have to keep going back to flush buffers, though. :)

The best thing to do is make sure that you're fully processing all byproducts and such so that machines can't shut off in general

If you've got unwanted liquid byproducts, the simplest thing to do is convert them into a solid and then sink it.

For excess Heavy Oil Residue when you're first starting out with oil, that'll often mean converting it to Petroleum Coke and then sinking that, for instance

[frosty trout]

forgot what you meant by sink for a second

so yeah because im starting out I'd have to convert it to petoleum coke but what about when im more advanced?

[dusky dust]

One marginally-more-advanced thing to do with converted Coke is send it into some Coal-Powered Generators; that'll often make early-oil processing net-power-positive, which is nice

There's a lot of alt recipes out there which give you great uses for spare Coke as well

[frosty trout]

I mean I already have a solid coal power plant setup that works good at the moment

should I be running all petroleum coke refinerys at 100%?

[dusky dust]

And there's also a bunch of alt recipes which can kind of drastically change the oil processing in general, should you want to do so. For instance, the most oil-efficient petrochem loop has you starting with Heavy Oil Residue; that's the resource you want most of.

[dusky dust]

Sure; didn't mean to imply that you'd want to tear down your existing coal power. Just if you do have spare Petroleum Coke you don't care about, you can use it to generate even more power. :)

[frosty trout]

I know dont worry! im js gonnna sink it all for now

[dusky dust]

If you're converting HOR->Coke to deal with HOR byproduct, you'd want to be running as much Petroleum Coke refineries as you need to fully process the HOR, yeah. :)

[frosty trout]

okie thanks for the help

[dusky dust]

(honestly the newer :ficsitpepsi: bot reaction stuff is a bit much; when talking oil, the word c0ke is likely to pop up with relative frequency. Those things are better when you're not liable to have like a dozen lines in a row all getting the same reaction)

lol, triggers on a 0 replacement, too

[candid fossil]

apocalyptech, hows my new modular aluminum scrap lol

40 oil in 90 water in bauxite in and 300 ingot out

[mint coral]

@cinder silo been whispering in ppls ear today.

Im planning out babies first nuclear plant any advice? Im going to be sinking pluto rods. making a small single impure power facility in the swamp

[frosty trout]

almost all backed up

[cinder silo]

Sinking the PU is probably the simplest for clean nuclear poer, otherwise you wind up having to go all the way to ficsonium which I feel is more for the challenge rather than actual gain.

[robust tulip]

if i had a long ass pipe but it was perfectly horizontal, would i need pumps?

[dusky dust]

Nope, pumps only provide headlift -- you would not need pumps. Though note that sometimes people have problems with long horizontal pipelines; if you are gonna transport liquids a long way, packaging or fluid trains are usually a better option

[frosty trout]

probs a stupid question but would this keep my pipes constantly flowing, each first refinery is producing 10 heavyoil residue pm and the 1 refinery uses 50 hor pm

[meager kettle]

yes, if you use up the product that last refinery using the 50 hor is making

[frosty trout]

okay cus the 1 refinery is just coke > sink

[dusky dust]

Yeah, producing 50/min total, eating up 50/min to make the coke. Seems good, barring unintentional errors and such. :)

[frosty trout]

Is this simple enough? on the far right 3 refinerys making 50 HOR Pm and the single refinery is using 50 HOR PM, On the left 5 Refinerys making 100 HOR and two refinerys using 50 HOR each

[teal tiger]

can somebody explain load balancers for me? i currently have like 8 mk6 belts that output like 934 of smth, and i wanna basically just minimize the belt amount to the most necessary so all belts cover the most possible which would be 1200, is that what load balancers are for? or can anyone give me a simpel solutions without having to do too much math and yes i know that i would need 6.2 belts, but i don't know how i would connect that ingame

[wind spade]

not sure what specifically you want explained?

also, even easier option for you is to just use what you have on your belt - if you have 934/min, hook it to machines that need 934/min in total

[teal tiger]

its actually worse than this.. my belts have a output of 1180 and the machine im hooking it to needs 934 or smth

[wicked orbit]

10 hours into the gameplay and i built my first proper factory alongside with 1200mw coal plant what do you guys think

[wind spade]

yeah, then clock the machines so that it fits exactly

[teal tiger]

so theres not some spliiter/merging mechanism that could just fix this?

like "balance" it

[wind spade]

there is, but is usually way more trouble than just changing clock speed

[teal tiger]

is there a name for it?

[wind spade]

balancers 🙂

[teal tiger]

so thats what load balancers are? ive seen some blueprints about it

[wind spade]

yeah

[teal tiger]

gotcha thanks, thats all i wanted

[wind spade]

load balancer basically takes X inputs and outputs Y outputs that should be all equal

but even with blueprints I would still prefer to change clock speed instead

it's way simpler and easier to do imo

[frosty trout]

looks nice, whats being made on it? also when It comes to bringing stuff from a higher level down into a machine I like to use the lifts not that you have to but imo they look nicer

another stupid question but would I need a pipeline pump for the incline here?

[mint coral]

Depends. Machines give 10m of headlift if the high point is within ten meters no pump is required

[frosty trout]

defo needs a lift then cus its no where near the machines tbh

it should still flow perfectly up until the pump tho right because it's all horizontal

[mint coral]

No i mean on the vertical plain. The pipe can be a mile away and only be five meters higher and be fine

[frosty trout]

ohh right on the pipeline support Im guessing each like time u move it up by 1 its 1meter

[mint coral]

Ya, pumps only care about verticle height. When you use a pump it resets the headlift to the pumps value.

[frosty trout]

ahh okay well the raise is only 3m

[mint coral]

Then you are good.

[frosty trout]

sweet

[frosty trout]

anyway to get rid of these?

[slender gulch]

try a nobelisk

[river night]

if its a destructible thing, you can blow it up with a bomb, if that doesnt work, outta luck

[teal tiger]

isnt it better for the throughput to set all trains to wait until fully loaded/unloaded?

[vapid gorge]

only if you're evenly feeding all their cars

[teal tiger]

yea i am

[vapid gorge]

but you should keep in mind trains that ARENT evenly fed.
but it's less about more throughput

it's more about less traffic on the train line

[teal tiger]

i think that will fix my current issues, cuz i have way too unstable downtimes between the trains like the timing is very off

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[dusky dust]

"Better," as with most things in this game, is rather subjective. Personally I basically never use wait-until-full

[teal tiger]

like i have 3 trains on that line for iron, the first two come too early before the buffer gets empty, and the third one comes after the buffer had been empty for around 3 minutes

ive been trying to fix the timing for around 30 minutes now but without any success

so i thought that option might help me out here

[dusky dust]

If I had three trains picking up iron from the same site, I'd have three stations and feed each the exact throughout those routes need

[vapid gorge]

3 trains? how long a distance are you going?

[dusky dust]

(Or if all that iron was going to the same place, I'd just have a longer train instead of three separate ones)

[teal tiger]

idk like 2-3 minutes

havent tracked the timing yet

[vapid gorge]

ok the problem might be too many trains

every extra train you add to a path reduces the PLATFORM throughput because it adds extra lock outs

there's no reason a 2-3 minute trip should need 3 trains to do it

[teal tiger]

how come? a freigt car has 32 slots, 2400/min output per min, 100 stack, so 3200, thats empty within around 1min30sec

[vapid gorge]

1 platform cannot move 2400 parts per minute
ever

[dusky dust]

Is all that iron going to the same place? If so: add more freight cars, not more trains

[teal tiger]

yea im just trying to get as close as possible to 2400

[vapid gorge]

you cannot

and every train you add to it makes it LESS than 2400

[teal tiger]

my goal is to improve the output of 1 freight car, not increase the amount of freight cars

[teal tiger]

hmm so 1 train gives the best goal?

[dusky dust]

Every train you add decreased throughput

[teal tiger]

well makes sense

is there no mechanism to go around the lockout? like some sort of buffer system?

[dusky dust]

That's 27 seconds of lost throughput on two belts, whenever a train docks

[vapid gorge]

you need a buffer system but it doesn't kill the lock out no

[dusky dust]

If you're trying to get the max throughput on a single freight car, any more than 1 train stopping at that station will work against your goal

[teal tiger]

i mean yes and no, its not completely true, cuz like if the iron is empty its empty, it cant get worse than that

[vapid gorge]

with items that stack to 100 , you will be lucky to get 1200 per car

try to stick to that

[teal tiger]

well guess what

[vapid gorge]

you could prob do 2 trains doing a loop

[teal tiger]

we at 1.8k rn

and it looks like its stable at 1.8k rn i think im happy with the result

no clue how the buffer system is supposed to work yet tho

nvm we even getting higher

[dusky dust]

I suppose I should make a caveat that my statement here was assuming that you're not already at the the capacity limit of the car. :D

[teal tiger]

well i definitely am more than over the limit lol

idk i have to overthink again if yall right about the 1 train thing

cuz like i get the idea of more lockdowns = worse throughput, but 0 throughput isn't better

ig the equation is, if throughput = 0 for over 30 seconds = add second train, if not = stay with 1 train

[vapid gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1360779221282062357/IMG_8799.png?ex=69cd14a8&is=69cbc328&hm=4ab6c3918522ae37d3ac838bc50ab9f37c753561e3e3e2333aca4ad079ec9264&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=225&height=300

[teal tiger]

i think i need some explanation to what im seeing here lmao

thats my buffer system rn

[vapid gorge]

1 belt to an ISC, 2 belts to plaftorm

unload
platform, 2 belts to ISC, 1 belt out

[teal tiger]

oh wait u talking about the train at the iron provider

[vapid gorge]

every platform, buffer in, buffer out

[teal tiger]

is that neccessary tho?

[vapid gorge]

yes

[teal tiger]

cuz like my iron provider platform is always full when the train arrives

[vapid gorge]

that's not good, that means you aren't moving all your iron

[teal tiger]

yea but u just said more trains = less throughput lmao

[vapid gorge]

the more trains at any particular platform will reduce teh maximum throughput of said platforms, yes

but if your platforms fill up before the train arives it means you arne't moving anything an d you have to change things up

often the solution is 'more platforms'

[teal tiger]

no wait more platforms make no sense

or u mean a completely new line

[vapid gorge]

more platforms is more throughput

[teal tiger]

let me make it more clear, my goal is to get out of a 2400 iron node, the closest to 2400

[vapid gorge]

you'll want at least 2 platforms

and probalby 2 trains doing the route if you only have 2 platforms

you could do 4 platforms and just have the 1 train

[teal tiger]

so ur saying i should split the 2 mk6 belts to 4?

[deep citrus]

the thing with trains is that when docking there's a half a minute time where the inputs and outputs are locked

[vapid gorge]

2 platforms should also be fine with 2 trains doing the route

[deep citrus]

so if you're relying on full belts, you're loosing throughput during that time

[vapid gorge]

this has been gone over

[deep citrus]

oki

[vapid gorge]

as well as how to buffer the system 🙂

[teal tiger]

so thats my train hub

as u can see i have letters next to the hub stations, since i wanted the logistics since Receiver A goes to Provider B etc. having a Provider A going to Receiver A and B would lowkey break my system

[vapid gorge]

I have no idea what this means, sorry

if this is about multiple stops though it's much much easier to just have trains go between 2 places

[deep citrus]

-# forgive me for being a pedant; limestone is one word

[versed violet]

watching the last stream now, and it feels the chessboard author really missed opportunity to use lookout towers. and several other build pieces and vehicles.
or dunno, the gold statues.

[wary rapids]

@teal tiger Theirs only one way to improve train output: reduce travel time. Also use buffers. All the math is in this wiki page. including limits and the throughput formula. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput when you clock your trains and run the math most likely your trains trains can not keep up with 1200. That would require an exceptionally short route. So keep in mind 1200 will be is a two car setup. I wish cars held more Imo the game would still be balanced even if cars held 100 percent more.

[vapid gorge]

this is not accurate, as mentioned by several peopel there are other ways of managing it - like adding platforms or adding trains (to a degree)

[wary rapids]

im speaking to output per car. Yes -you can always add cars. which you must do to get more output.

and more trains usally must happen especially when people are trying to make trains have multiple stops

[wary rapids]

holy i am wrong. if you can get your routes arrond 2:30 / 3:00 which is acheveable you can get 1200 in one car.

noo this belt went dry. but not for long.

hopefull the 1200 can be achived with T6 belts here.

[vapid gorge]

@cosmic belfry

so you said 480 480 240

feed the 480 to Iron plates
feed the other 480 to screws
send the 280 to Steel ingots

hava 1 smart splitter at teh start of each manifold to over flow to rods

that's one solution

[wary rapids]

I found the probelm with my old saves 1200 coal train no t6 belts

[vapid gorge]

there's other ways you can do it ofc

[cosmic belfry]

I was gonna do it like this though, that would be for the heavy modular frame production chain

do I just make a huge block of smelters and feed it to different production lines from there?

[vapid gorge]

you could easily do that yes
it really depends on how youre planning your overall layout though

[teal tiger]

yea theres no way im getting a 100% efficiency factory with trains

[vapid gorge]

having 1 huge smeltery woudl work very well

all you do is clock the SMELTERS to send exactly what you need onto the next step

[vapid gorge]

there absolutely is, you're just tryign to move 2400 ppm on one platform and that's impossible

[teal tiger]

well i was aiming for 2100

[vapid gorge]

yes, it's been pointed out to you that it's often hard to get even 1 belt per platform

and getting above 2000 ppm usually requires moving things like wire or screws that stack to 500

[cosmic belfry]

so just overclock the smelters, or underclock and build a few extra?

[teal tiger]

but its okay i reached my goal somehow

[vapid gorge]

well you clock your smelters in grouips that output exactly what you want to send to the next sections 🙂

[vapid gorge]

you probably aught to learn how to actually use trains but you do you

[teal tiger]

yea definitely since this was only a iron plate factory

things will only get more complicated from here on

[wary rapids]

unfoutnatly for you Amin it could be hard sence your train station is quite large as is. it wouldn't be simple to simply add more cars or trains into what you have,.

[teal tiger]

yea i will definitely have to look into this if i wanna keep using trains

but atleast i got 10k iron plates/min now

[wary rapids]

Amin you are using buffers right? you know station stop unloading when trains pickup.

[teal tiger]

yea but still didnt quite figure out the use case of it

like mine is permanently empty

thats my current setup

[wary rapids]

your makeing 2 stops?

[teal tiger]

no first train is provider second is receiver

loader/unloader

[wary rapids]

i see

[teal tiger]

between the trains there is obv a loop

[cosmic belfry]

this is hurting my brain lol

[wary rapids]

this is logical.

[cosmic belfry]

I see why people design production chains based off node output

[teal tiger]

yea i really dislike the idea of using trains in another save again

[vapid gorge]

you had basically figured it out dude
you can just make 1 big smelter, clock belts to ouitput what you need

[wary rapids]

prodided second straion get 1200 it should be able to carry 1200 if the trip is short.

[vapid gorge]

because you keep trying to do thigns that people have told you are impossible

[cosmic belfry]

yeah the input is just confusing me a bit

[vapid gorge]

ok just bring in the 3 belts yo uwere talking about here

[cosmic belfry]

I think I'll just build all the smelters then split it off until one line is fully used, then merge the next line back into it

[vapid gorge]

smelt all of it, have 4 groups of belts that have those 4 outputs

that's it.

[cosmic belfry]

I was trying to keep smelters in a line with the other stuff but maybe a big smelter ball is good

[teal tiger]

not cuz i didnt believe anyone, im just a better learner with actually trying things thats all

[cosmic belfry]

mixing up my production chains always fucks me over lol

[teal tiger]

wanted to figure it out myself why it's impossible so i better get a understanding of what is actually possible

[wary rapids]

I dont know why that s very big operation for train already. You simply over estmated what one of your staions can pull

[vapid gorge]

yes but you ignored people when we told you 'this doesn't work'
and now you are giving up on trains because you were doing the thigns that were never going to work

there are very very easy ways of managing trains

[wary rapids]

imo the hard part is build the staions and intersection and find a train rail design you agree with.

[vapid gorge]

you've only done the thigns that dont work and are now giving up

[teal tiger]

im not giving up lol il obv still finish the save like that

[vapid gorge]

"yea i really dislike the idea of using trains in another save again" sounds like you're giving up on trains

[wary rapids]

will beat you find a way to fix problem with this save. sence you car about that 150 allot

[teal tiger]

brb my whole train network just crashed for some reason

[cosmic belfry]

if I do a bunch of smaller groups of smelters, I can just feed them until a belt is used up, then split the second line back into a group that was only partially filled by the previous line?

like... first group of smelters takes 300, next group also needs 300 but it only has 180 left on the belt, split the next belt back and merge so the smelters are getting their 300 and the belt will "keep going" with 360 for the next group of smelters? I feel like I'm explaining this horribly lol

[vapid gorge]

#math-and-meta message

[cosmic belfry]

I'm not setting it up like that, weaving everything together sounds like a horrible idea? I have multiple production chains, these are two of them

[teal tiger]

lmao the train stopped mid hill and doesn't have enough speed to get that hill up this didnt happen for over 100h

no block signals on uphills anymore for sure

[cosmic belfry]

I was gonna do a set of iron rod constructors for a modular engine factory, and another set for the heavy modular frame factory

[vapid gorge]

that's just generally too steep, you look like you did it steeper than 2m ramps

[vapid gorge]

here

based on this

you said you had 3 belts coming in , smelt them in their own groups, clock them so their outputs make the 4 lines

[wary rapids]

You dont want to go over 3 to 1. which you need beems to make that slope.

[cosmic belfry]

I really don't want to make 16 constructors worth of iron rods and then have to split them up to a bunch of different factories though?

I feel like I'm being an idiot lol

[wary rapids]

i mean you can go a little more but trains get slow and wont go before 4 to 1.

[vapid gorge]

you can then break up the ROD constructors into the groups you need...

[cosmic belfry]

I want an ACU production line and a modular engine production line and a computer production line, not a bunch of crazy shit all criss crossing?

[vapid gorge]

just keep clocking groups into what you need

it seems like you forget you can clock things every time you're shown how to clock groups

[vapid gorge]

so the 240 going to making rods, have 2 groups of rods

that's it. Clock one group to make 90, 1 group to make 150

does that make sense? Need anything explained further?

[teal tiger]

okay fixed it

[teal tiger]

yeah i just like accurate numbers thats why, from my capabilities rn i dont see any way possible for me to get a accurate belt with 1134 iron if it gets provided by trains

so i can either overfill the belt so it htis its 1200 limit or idk

[vapid gorge]

you have mk6 belts?

[teal tiger]

yea

[vapid gorge]

put 1134 onto a belt
that feeds into a double container
2 belts from container to platform

on delivery
2 belts to double container
1 belt out

depending on train time you may need 2 trains to do that route

that's it. We went over this before

[cosmic belfry]

it makes sense but if I try to build something where I'm splitting output across different production lines I'm gonna fuck everything up lmao

[vapid gorge]

just plan the clocking

[teal tiger]

okay so basically 1 node per car right?

[vapid gorge]

basically

[teal tiger]

2 nodes per car is a no go

[vapid gorge]

as mentioned you physically cannot move 2400 ppm on a platform

[cosmic belfry]

I'm still splitting things across lines instead of just having everything modular though right

[teal tiger]

but neither can i move 1200 ppm if i only connect 1 belt

[vapid gorge]

no this is pretty modular
you're sending exactly what you need to rods
you have 2 groups of rods sending exactly what the next sections need

[vapid gorge]

... what?

you said you had mk6 belts

[cosmic belfry]

hmm I guess only the smelters aren't modular?

[vapid gorge]

even they are 'modular' they are in their own dedicated little groups

it's just convenient to have all the modules of smelters in one spot

[teal tiger]

the reason 2400ppm doesnt work is cuz thats the absolute limit of 2 belts and unload time exists, but if i have 1 belt, my absolute limit is 1200 and unload time still exists no?

[teal tiger]

i mean i think thats smth different

[vapid gorge]

if you set it up liek this, yes, at most you'll get on the other end is 1200

which is more than 1134
so I don't understand what the problem is

[teal tiger]

there is none actually that picture helped alot

i think i got it now thanks

[vapid gorge]

same picture as before just on a different side
but yeah you might have to have 2 trains on that route
maybe have them wait until full if you like

you said it was between 2-3 min so it's on the very edge of 1 train being able to do it

[teal tiger]

i dont even have to change my train hub design for this

[vapid gorge]

2.5 min? 1 train could do it

[teal tiger]

is there like a simple rule to follow?

[vapid gorge]

you ahve to look at how much 1 car can move per trip

[teal tiger]

idk like 2 minutes = +1 train or smth

32 stacks, its always 3200 items for me since i only move raw items

[vapid gorge]

1 car has 32 slots, iron ore stacks to 100
so 3200 per trip
the return trip time has to be less than what it would take to fill that car

3200/1134 =2.83 min

but you also want to give yourself buffer time so you'd aim for a return trip shorter than that. 10% is a nice buffer

[teal tiger]

gotcha thanks

[vapid gorge]

you understood what I did with the 3200 and 1134 and what those numbers were ?

[teal tiger]

yea, and if im rly close to the verge ig i just have to evaluate if the extra 30 seconds of unload time will be beneficial enough to add a second train or not

[vapid gorge]

yeah just figure out the exact train return time of 1 train

if it's like 2.5? you're probably very good to go - especially since I don't see other trains on that network so it'll be reliable

[teal tiger]

would be crazy if i need a second train tho cuz thats quite literally the nearest station of the 50 others im planning, i dont wanna use 10 trains for 1 station

[vapid gorge]

the buffer time is to take into account waiting at junctiosn and things for traffic

[vapid gorge]

10 trains for 1 station would get you very close to 0 throughput on the platforms 😛

[teal tiger]

is there some circumstances where u say its more worth to use drones?

[vapid gorge]

all the logistics options are personal choices and how you like to do things . they all have their benefits too

trains? train super power is that once yo ubuild the infrastructure its VERY easy to expand on it and run man y lines

[teal tiger]

yea thats what i rly like about trains, once setup the whole world is my input

[vapid gorge]

drones? excellent for poitn to point movement over terrible terrain/longer distances , where you only really need them

drones are effectively just slow teleporters

trucks? trucks are fantastic over terrain that are naturally road like

easy to set up, just need a bit of fuel

[teal tiger]

yea using trucks rn to move liquids from my trains to the factories

[cosmic belfry]

how do I split the 315 from two lines, take the leftovers from the first 480 line and merge it with the next 480 line? but idk if it will "use up" the first line first?

[teal tiger]

and drones to transfer important items from my old base to the empty megafactory like batteries etc

[vapid gorge]

clock sections that will add up 315 ingots pm total

[vapid gorge]

so buffers here aren't really doing anything and you should be very careful with them

[cosmic belfry]

I was gonna container feed smart plating and automated wire but there's no way I'm fucking with this again once it's setup

[vapid gorge]

pretyt much only useful for trains

[cosmic belfry]

god I can't even figure it out in the first place let alone adding production lines in the middle while it's running XD

[teal tiger]

aight thanks for all the infos guys im heading to bed now wish yall a good night!

[cosmic belfry]

so on the input side it doesn't matter just merge the first and second belts together? and then split the second belt further down to take whatever remains?

merge them after the splitter that goes to the first 255 line ofc

[vapid gorge]

ok so in this example again

[cosmic belfry]

man why can't you just rate limit belts this is ridiculous

[vapid gorge]

clocking yoru machines is rate limiting your belts

[cosmic belfry]

I'm so close to just getting extra iron and overfilling everything so I don't have to think anymore

I feel like such a dumb fuck lmao

[vapid gorge]

ok so the first sections you need 255 ingots pm going somewher eright?

[dapper drum]

Cobalt holds the key you need

[cosmic belfry]

it's rate limiting the total input, it's not rate limiting a specific belt?

[dapper drum]

it is tho

[cosmic belfry]

that just doesn't matter then I'm assuming?

[vapid gorge]

same thing, you just rate limit it at the machine level

[dapper drum]

the machine says "X per minute can come here and no more"

[vapid gorge]

but first I'm going to take you through this step by step

so please answer, you need 255 ingots pm for one of the sections , right?

[cosmic belfry]

I get this part, merging the line for the second set thta needs 315 is confusing me a bit, then the last part getting the 382 remaining makes sense

[vapid gorge]

just focus on this bit

[cosmic belfry]

yes first section needs 255, so 225 left on belt

[vapid gorge]

great so the 255 ingots need 850% clocking total

[cosmic belfry]

ok that's pretty chill just overclock one of them, I already have an 8x blueprint

[vapid gorge]

you make sure that a section of the smelters are clocked to 850% total, merge that

does that make sense? ^^^

[cosmic belfry]

merge what?

[vapid gorge]

merge the smelters that are clocked to 850% total

that way yo uget 255 ingots pm on 1 belt

yes?

[cosmic belfry]

yeah I'm following

[vapid gorge]

and as you mentioend that means you have 225 left over

so now we look at the next number, 315

[cosmic belfry]

split first belt into a group of 8 smelters, one at 150%, input is 255 iron ore per min, output is 255 ingots per minute

thanks for all your help btw lol I feel like I'm being a bad student 😛

I had less trouble in most of my college classes ahaha

[vapid gorge]

315 -225 = 90 right?

90 is just 300% clocking

so you merge the rest of the first section, with 300% clocking on the next section,

boom 315 on one belt, right?

make sense?

[cosmic belfry]

uhhh

[vapid gorge]

now you need 382 on your next line I see

[vapid gorge]

problem?

[cosmic belfry]

so the next group of smelters is getting 225, I just clock them as a group all together to use that much? then a second group with 300% clocking total to use up the next 90?

[vapid gorge]

yup, here a more broken down idea

if you remember when you were doing maths in high school , year 10 - 12 they got you to do sketches to help you problem solve thigns - I highly recommend you start doign that again

it really helps you keep ideas in your brain and explain the layout as you go so you don't have to mentally juggle everything

[cosmic belfry]

do I need two separate groups for the 225 and 90?

[dapper drum]

they could be side by side but make sure you mind the belting

imo i like to physically separate steps of a stage that need their own beltline

sometimes with platforms, sometimes just with pillar demarcations

[vapid gorge]

you also don't need them all in a line for this to work, you could have the blocks of machines laid out any which way you like

[cosmic belfry]

ok so the reason it works is cause I'm only splitting off 90 / min specifically? and if I tried to group everything together it wouldn't take exactly 90?

[vapid gorge]

I just made them that way so itt would be easier to understand

[vapid gorge]

I mean you do it this way partially because you still ahve belt limits right?

you wouldn't want to merge everythign together since it's way more than your belts can handle

[cosmic belfry]

like in my head I jsut take the 225 leftovers, merge the next line with it, then feed that into the big clump of 315 input smelters and it will automatically have 382 left

[vapid gorge]

well yeah you take the 225 and merge it with a grouip making 90

[cosmic belfry]

the belt limit of 480 shouldn't matter cause it only needs 315?

[vapid gorge]

yes, I'm just saying you can't merge all of them together

[cosmic belfry]

it seems way easier to just make a second group of 90 so I don't have to worry about this lol

[vapid gorge]

I don't understand what yo umean by 'second group of 90'

you only need 1 group of 90 in this example

[cosmic belfry]

the second group of smelters (which is 90), after the first group of 225

not a second group of 90 like two groups of 90

just that the group of 90 is the second group lol hmm

[vapid gorge]

right yes, this is probably simpler and cleaner in most circumstances

[cosmic belfry]

cause if I merge the whole line back into that system of 315, it gets weird and tries to overfill (cause splitters go for 50% to each direction) and then the last group of 382 will have to wait for overfilling?

[vapid gorge]

I'd have to see what you mean, but if you're talking about manifolds, you could just use a smart splitter to over flow, like I mentioned before

[cosmic belfry]

manifolds seem to make a lot more sense when it's just a series of machines, not a series of manifolds lol

[vapid gorge]

it still works

[cosmic belfry]

seems like it would take a while to overflow an entire manifold of smelters though

[vapid gorge]

that's fine, the solution I just gave you also needs time

[cosmic belfry]

which then has to fill another manifold slowly

[vapid gorge]

not a huge deal, the first manifold would fill faster since it's getting over fed

[cosmic belfry]

right gotcha

[vapid gorge]

again, you can keep them in groups of 480 480 and and have a smart splitter at the start of both to over flow to the 3rd group

I don't mention the 240 since you have a 240 line coming in and doesn't have to be mixed up

using the smart splitter over flow on ingots will work equally well

[dapper drum]

FWIW, this is my preferred method

[vapid gorge]

see, I like clocking specific groups 😄

just a bit tidier

[dapper drum]

i do a little of both - if it's nice even numbers, i'll do it by solely clocking

[vapid gorge]

that is if I'm making permanent factories after the phases

I just slap messy thigns together for the tiers

[dapper drum]

my last couple factories have been lost in the decimal sauce so i was like nah, smart split that shizz

[vapid gorge]

eh, decimals are all in yoru mind, change the unit of time you're using and they go away

[dapper drum]

on that note, if copying machine settings wasn't a thing... what a terrible world

[cosmic belfry]

I think all of this is going to drive me to just plan to use a full belt's worth of stuff lol

[vapid gorge]

that only works for like 1 step

draw sketches, make notes of clocking and what belt is going where

[dapper drum]

as you advance, you'll need a whole grid of machines with good routing and mixin'

(like so... this was easy but ANNOYING)

[vapid gorge]

in any case, hope this helped, just remember, do what yo udid in high school, sketch out the blocks of machines and clockings to help you visuallise things, it's more than basically any human can juggle just in their brain

and even if you juggle it all, it's a lot less energy and work to draw it out. Less mistakes too

[cosmic belfry]

could I not just do this kinda shit and not worry about making a full 5 modular engines per minute? limit input to a belt worth

[dapper drum]

yes, and welcome to decimal land

[vapid gorge]

you might still want to clock this in 3 groups 😛

[cosmic belfry]

it helped. I hope I don't have to draw anything myself though that's what I use the planner for lmao

[vapid gorge]

the drawing makes the MOST out of the planner

[cosmic belfry]

why lol manifold time

[vapid gorge]

you may not want all 3 ingot users in the same spot

might look better not to. Or just easier having it made next to something else

[cosmic belfry]

manifold it into floor holes and hide the spaghetti?

[vapid gorge]

I mean that is an option, but get comfy with clocking groups of machines and doing little sketches

[cosmic belfry]

yeah your block drawings helped for sure

[vapid gorge]

clock
everything

clocking solves like 99% of your logistic problems before they happen

it is the core mechanic of this game

it's how you rate limit belts

[dapper drum]

the sketching out will help you as factories grow in size... as it logistically becomes a challenge of where to place things close to their next step

[vapid gorge]

once you get comfy with clocking and grouping machines in this game, the difficulty of doing anything becomes almost zero

you then have full control over how hard the game is

[dapper drum]

yup - it's just how many steps and machines

[cosmic belfry]

isn't the whole point of the planner to tell me how to clock stuff

[vapid gorge]

want everything to be super easy? done
want to juggle items really weird cause you think it's fun? do it

[cosmic belfry]

I think I'm too tired to play this game

[dapper drum]

sort of - as the web grows, that becomes challenging with as many crossing arrows there can be

[vapid gorge]

that's the TOTAL clocking
it's usually very convenient to break it down further
as we just went over 🙂

[cosmic belfry]

I'm gonna have to build this and see if I actually understand

it's easy to follow along when someone is explaining everything heh

also it's easy to break it down into 4 groups but I was gonna have stuff split up more than that 😂

[vapid gorge]

tha'ts also fine 🙂 just sketch it out

[cosmic belfry]

I feel like I should maybe just not make a factory planner like the first one I sent you at all

a lot less confusing to just make a modular engine factory than try to figure out everything I'm missing and plan it all at once lol

[vapid gorge]

yup, breaking plans into multiple groups usually is

but you can still use that smelter layout

[cosmic belfry]

so use a big planner only to figure out miner/belt inputs and the smelter part?

I'm gonna have like 10 full containers of plastic and rubber, game has been idling for so long

I've still only built a computer factory 😭

[vapid gorge]

sure.
you'll get there 🙂

[cosmic belfry]

I think I get the general idea now thanks for the input

basically just do groups of smelters merged together to output whatever ingots / minute you need for the next group of constructors

and then when a belt runs out, clock whatever is left off the next belt (like that 90 we needed after we got 225 from the first belt)

or come back and read and figure out how to use smart splitters here

[main shuttle]

i've never actually checked this: is your diagonal run speed the same velocity as your forward?

[oblique hollow]

I believe so. Or its a bit slower

[crimson moat]

It's not higher than if you turn your camera and run foward in that direction.

In fact i believe you have the best speed and control of to the movement mechanics if you face exactly in the direction that you want to go. E.g. flying through the air is dragless and your velocity is constantly redirected towards [current camera direction] but if you're facing or strafing too far away from forward, you lose speed. You have to keep the input direction within a certain angle of attack of the travelling direction to move draglessly.

[river night]

Does anyone know the ins and outs of the train route planner? I'm wondering if some types of rails have a bias to make them less likely to be used, for example, driving through stations. I'm having a big logistics hub with several stations, and I was worried the train would drive through some stations just because its a tiny bit shorter route - but its not, its taking the ever so slightly longer route that bypasses the stations, which makes me happy, but also surprised me.

ah found it on the wiki, stations add a 200m "penality", that was enough to make it work here, great

[vast jungle]

its often a good idea to draw both ends of a station close together and connect them with a standard T-junction instead of connecting each of them separately... much more difficult to deadlock

[river night]

to get back to the mainline? i did that anyway, so i could use my T junction blueprint

but the way the stations are laid out the trains could take a shortcut by going through one of the stations - but they don't, which is good, I just wanted to know the rules 😄

[teal tiger]

i wished i knew what i was doing here

seems working tho

[wind spade]

why tho

[teal tiger]

cuz i have no clue about load balancing and i just learned it from a blueprint that was meant for trains

[mint coral]

you are sinking stuff

[teal tiger]

it was about the balancer lmao

[unique cypress]

Ah, yes, the ultracompact balancer blueprint that's impossible to analyse

Mine at least can be somewhat followed

[mint coral]

thats the issue with building other peoples stuff rather then learning how to do it yourself. Im sure the wiki has much information on the subject

[teal tiger]

but the input of the balancer is stockpiling rn isnt that bad? bottlenecking?

[unique cypress]

What's that balancer exactly?

[wind spade]

yeah but my question is "why balance"

[teal tiger]

so i basically had a 7800 output, used 8 belts for that but each had like 750-900 on it and i wanted to minimize the belts and fill them all up, so now i have 6 full belts and 1 half full one

[unique cypress]

That's not a balancer

[wind spade]

if you want to minimise belts, merge to 1200

[ionic sapphire]

just use smart mergers

with overflows

[fervent spire]

Don't use a balancer, use an overflow merger with priority merger and smart splitters

[wind spade]

don't use that either, just merge machines that make 1200

[ionic sapphire]

you could make a point for loading train wagons evenly
but you didnt

[unique cypress]

Yeah that's the only place where a balancer is actually useful sometimes

Especially if you want to minimise traffic

[teal tiger]

il try for the next factory, but this time it was just too much headache, 104 assembler outputting 75 i had 10 on every level so splitting them by 16 wasn't a option anymore

[wind spade]

you know you can clock them 😛

[teal tiger]

yea but then id have the same problem on the input instead of output lmao

[wind spade]

then you'd move it back again to previous step

until you move it to ore which you manifold from miners

[teal tiger]

yea but what speaks against my loader? i mean it seems working rn? am i missing smth?

[fervent spire]

I mean overflow merger is not that hard to build, you just gotta have a buffer after the smart splitters.
I have them set up in a couple factories like plastic and rubber to get full belts that I can more easily divide up and send to the various places that need them.

[wind spade]

that it's unnecessary, and also that you just copy-pasted it without knowing how or why

[ionic sapphire]

or without trying yourself first probably

just speculation

[teal tiger]

so if id have to do it from 0 id do it with buffers as athena said with a overflow system into the next one, shouldnt that work?

[fervent spire]

There are use cases for wanting full belts, for ease of logistics, etc.
I don't disagree with the "you shouldn't just copy and paste a load balancer without thinking of why you really need it", and load balancer isn't the ideal solution for his problem.
But there's valid use cases for wanting to compress belts for easier logistics, "just clock everything" isn't always easy or relevant, especially if you're sending the products off via train for example or you want to more easily divide up the output to different places, that can be a lot easier with full belts.

Having my rubber factory producing 3 belts of 556 and 1 of like ~230 is not very conducive to easy distribution of the rubber via train to the other factories that need it. Much easier to just have 780 780 240. So I made a compressor and it made it a lot simpler.

[wind spade]

sending via train just means that you clock it on the other side instead

[viscid estuary]

which route should i go for my first small power plant i think i should do the one bellow

the top one needs a lot of machines

[wind spade]

the top one, but without turbofuel

[viscid estuary]

how much power does turbofuel make compared to regular fuel

i did not check

[wind spade]

more, but you also need coal and sulfur

unless you've used all your oil, there's not much reason to deal with bringing those and processing it

[viscid estuary]

i got coal and sulfur close by

and i can use all my oil on this and have the polymer be recycled and used for plastic and rubber

[fervent spire]

This is the basic idea of a belt compressor. You want the mergers to be priority mergers that prioritize the top input so that you basically just overflow down the chain. A buffer between the smart splitter and priority merger is useful - it's not necessary, but it helps when your inputs are "bursty" and not continuous. I'm not at home so I can't screenshot my setup but I can later tonight maybe

[viscid estuary]

well by the looks of it for me its going to be better to use turbo fuel recipe

all the resin recycled for plastic and rubber

and once i build 145 fuel power plants 36gw quiet the jump from 900mw of coal power

would this be a good powerplant and starter oil producuts manufacturing

25GW from turbo fuel

how much plastic do you need compared to rubber

[mint coral]

depends on you hte pioneer and what you make.

I skipped plastic in phase 3 using alternates because i didnt want to train things across the map.

now in phase 4 im using 180/min rubber and 40/min plastic do to my previouse choices

[viscid estuary]

well i want to use plastic for circuit boards and plastic for computers as well

[unique cypress]

this could be a lot cheaper https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gfKnKzzYsgbHUDrCvKOW

[mint coral]

exactly my point youll have to figure out your own needs

[viscid estuary]

well i want both power and oil products but i am not sure what i will use for the future

i can't keep sitting on my 900mw coal power plant

[mint coral]

focus on power now, You can tap another oil node for plubber later if needed

[viscid estuary]

well for a bit extra plastic and 94 extra rubber i need to do the diluted fuel stage which will add failure points from unbalanced canisters

[mint coral]

when i set up power i just sink the polymer and place a sign on the sink stating the # sunk. then i can come by later and setup plastic and rubber as needed

[viscid estuary]

yeah i think i am going to do the same think sink the polymer

[unique cypress]

it's also half the oil
also canisters are 0 issue if you manage them properly

[viscid estuary]

if

i never automated oil stage

going to try this and worry about plastic and rubber when i need them

i can try doing it smaller first just 300 oil to power and if it works i just need to do it again

[teal tiger]

i watched some yt videos and i came with the conclusion that this might be the easiest design

[iron delta]

I would use the polymer resin to make plastic and then use the plastic to make the canisters. Right now(im assuming) you don't have a production line for canisters and that can wreck your current setup.

[teal tiger]

but damn this takes a ton of space

[vapid gorge]

that's why you put what you need on your belt in the first place

[wind spade]

yeah, which is why directly merging exact amounts is easiest

[vapid gorge]

and/or just use what's on the belt in the first place

[teal tiger]

yea i will definitely prio that in my next factory

[viscid estuary]

yeah i know once i got all the canisters i need i am going to make it closed loop

[wind spade]

you only need 20 per loop

[summer flare]

That looks like TotalXclipse's belt compressor. Shame it doesn't work properly.

[unique cypress]

Honestly I don't trust it
Like I feel like there are situations where it doesn't quite work

[fervent spire]

You need a buffer in belt compressors if the input is bursty, there will be issues if there's gaps in the input

[iron delta]

Alright. I would still reccomend turning the polymer resin into plastic or rubber to reduce the chance of a buildup. But with any byproduct make sure to have a smart splitter leading to an awesome sink.

[viscid estuary]

yeah once i need plastic or rubber i will use it

[iron delta]

Until then im guesing its getting sink'd?

[summer flare]

It doesn't work as expected because it's using priority mergers. If you look at the videos presented, there's gaps in what are supposed to be "compressed" belts.

[teal tiger]

whats the best thing to feed my nuclear power plant? plutonium fuel rods? (first time going nuclear)

okay il need 200 nuclear power plants for 500k damn and idek if thats enough

[fervent spire]

Uranium, you have to make it before making plutonium anyway and you can't sink those rods afaik

[mint coral]

depends on goals and how deep you want to go into refining and storage.

you can only sink plutonium rods and nuclear rods. All other steps cannon be sunk. So if you use pluto rods you need to store the waste or make Ficsonium rods

[iron delta]

Its Ficsonium fuel rods, but they're expensive to make and you need to burn enough uranium and plutonium to make them. Best course until you CAN make ficsonium is to sink the plutonium.

[fervent spire]

Ficsonium isn't actually more power it's just there to be used without producing waste

The power comes from uranium and plutonium

[iron delta]

I would conisder that better, since you use less power to of course process the waste into a sinkable material

[teal tiger]

okay so i assume uranium fuel rods are the easiest to start with

[mint coral]

Uranium is really the most effective power plan you make plutonium rods to sink. when you run out of uranium you can Convert and moake more using sam

[iron delta]

Yes

[mint coral]

but plan out Plutonium so you can use the waste. youll need to build mass storage for the waste until your plutonium is online

Im planning out both as we speak as well

rods burn at 0.2/min generating 10/min in waste

700 uranium gives you 7/min rods

[glossy bridge]

From a simple human being, respectfully this looks confusing to me (I'm just here to check the channel out, feel free to ignore me)

[flat flume]

I’m planing on making a setup to sink plutonium rods or use them as fuel for my vehicles until I unlock ficsonium

[unique cypress]

I mean you can't start with any other rods
If you're doing nuclear at all, you have to do uranium at least

[teal tiger]

how much MW u aiming for?

idk if 500k mw will work for my goal but i have a good feeling

[mint coral]

I dont have a MW goal. I have a production and uranium use goal of one Impure node. Ill build more if i need more.

[mint coral]

500gw is what you mean. mixing abreviations is confusing

[teal tiger]

blame it on satisfactory and not me