math-and-meta

[outer vale]

123.7 and 68.4? hell nah

[wind spade]

Manifolds work as well tbh

[dusky dust]

It's more just that there's times where you might want more than one item on a belt, or more than one item in a single freight car / vehicle / drone, etc.

I use sushi all the time but I've never looped it, etc

Like I'm still doing an A->B type transfer, there's no "as you need it" required. I've got some stuff on a belt which is going to a specific destination, and the destination uses 'em up. It's just that I may be using a single belt for it instead of 2/3/etc

[obtuse hawk]

Perhaps some people use the same term to mean different things then? I always assumed it meant looping in a circle because thats how sushi resturants work. Granted, I learned the term from Factorio, so it could be different in that community since the games work differently

[dusky dust]

What you're describing is closer to a "bus" honestly. It's true that conveyor-belt sushi restaurants do loop around, but in this context the "sushi" just refers to having more than one kind of resource on a belt

[obtuse hawk]

I was not under the impression that buses loop

[dusky dust]

I admit that I'm making up a number off the top of my head, but I'd wager that a good 99% of people using sushi belts in Satisfactory don't do looping around of any sort

[dusky dust]

They do more often than sushi belts do. :)

[obtuse hawk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusky dust]

Since the whole point of a bus is "take what you need off of it"

[obtuse hawk]

I'm still pretty new to the game, so it definitely could be a case of me using the terminology wrong.

[dusky dust]

All good! The terms can be opaque. :D

[outer vale]

and there's not always a consensus on everything

[dusky dust]

But yeah, the most common usage for sushi in the game is: you've gotta take x/min of X, y/min of Y, and z/min of Z from one place to another, and x+y+z happens to be underneath your max belt limit. So you just slap those on a belt and then process once you get there. (Could be to storage, could be to, say, a Manufacturer, whatever)

And generally whatever's taking it in is gonna be taking in those exact amounts

You do need to make sure you've got Overflow handled properly, just in case, though if you're sushi-feeding machines, you'll end up basically never seeing anything get sunk at the end, 'cause the machines will have self-evened-out

[obtuse hawk]

Sushi as a playstyle basically isn't possible until you've unlocked smart splitters though, right?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, Smart Splitters are necessary

(As a further bit of pedantry) I'd be more likely to call it an "implementation detail" rather than playstyle, fwiw. I use sushi a lot, but I don't default to it. It's more just that there's opportunities where it can make sense to use it, so I do. :)

For myself I'm actually far more likely to use it for storage processing than machine feeding

Though it's admittedly quite nice to see a row of manufacturers hooked up to just a single feeder belt. :). Nice clean single line of smart splitters, etc

[obtuse hawk]

Out of curiosity, does Smart Plating have any use other than Space Elevator parts? I'm in phase 2 rn, and I already have 1000/1000 smart plating, so the elevator won't take any more. Should start sending them to storage, or sink them? I assume they'll be used as a component of something in the future, so I won't demolish the factory making them, but IDK if there's a reason to keep a back log of them for research/crafting/etc

[mint coral]

no you need a total of 4300 smart plating to complete the game.

[obtuse hawk]

So does it make sense to send the ones I'm making now into storage? Once I actually get to the point where I need more, I can hook up the factory's output to whatever machines I need to craft other things. IDK if a storage bin full of them will actually help me that much

[vast timber]

Finally finished setting up the aluminium bar factory producing 400 ingot per minute next the sheet and the casing

[floral grove]

if my computing is good, the oil present in the crater biome with power cells get to 2550 m3/min of crude oil.

My current blueprints process 120/min to produce 40 plastics and rubber into 60/min heavyoil residue.

My issue is that, I have a set up that can handle 2400 crude oil but I have 150m3/min remaining (and by a lack of burners, I have 560 fuel/min not burnt at the moment). What should I do with these remaining ressources ? I could find a way to sneak another blueprint and get to 30m3/min crude oil remaining but I am not sure how to figure out how much to dump into generators, use in turbo fuel etc.

What should I do with it ?

[outer vale]

if you don't need it, don't use it

just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use all of it

and if you do need it, then you know what you need and so have already answered the question 😉

if it's a power facility, moar powah is a reasonable option

[floral grove]

i see, thanks, i indeed had the idea of "no ressources left untouched"
it is a power facility and handles plastic/rubber production for now, i hope to make it producce the fuel for the drones in a near future but i'm not sure how the whole set up will work for now

[mint coral]

they are pretty easy to make. Personally i am just using a factory cart to transfer them from my starting factory to my modular motor facility

[unique cypress]

balancers are only needed if you want to get the maximum theoretical throughput out of your trains
and nowhere else, not even nuclear

[gray kayak]

How can you actually calcolate how many items per minute a train brings? By just using how much you produce or there is a formula

[unique cypress]

there is a formula on the wiki

and I made my own calculator lol

[frosty owl]

The freight stations themselves can give you a rough estimate too, after a couple deliveries

[gray kayak]

Oh Alr thx

[spare tapir]

I need help deciding

just tier 3-4 btw

[wind spade]

no idea what I'm looking at

[spare tapir]

The very beginning of my starter steel production lines. I don't really know what recipes will be the best and most resource efficient to use

[wind spade]

"best" is very much subjective, pick what you want
"resource efficient" depends on which resources you want to save and how you value different resources

so basically, decide on your own, as we can't know what you want/need/prefer 🙂

[spare tapir]

damn

2000 limestone 😭, what have I done

[west plover]

How should i place signals to make this train setup work? I have two trains that come into the same station and the signals are confusing as hell

[meager kettle]

generally path signals going into an intersection, block signals going out. then space blocksignals everywhere else

[spare tapir]

at least blocks at the start and end of the stations

[west plover]

Like this? It still doesnt work

[meager kettle]

you have no signals exiting the intersection

[west plover]

I dont think i understand where i should place them

[meager kettle]

green = path blue= block

[safe bridge]

this is a crude oil node, but it doesn't say that it's drillable, and i didn't know they would do this! Has anyone else seen this?

[mint coral]

This is for late game.

Its essentially

||fraking||

[meager kettle]

you need a well pressurizer. its a fracking node

[safe bridge]

i see

that's why i can't put an oil extractor on it

this game is so like real life in so many ways

[west plover]

I got a signaling problem after the station

[meager kettle]

then you put path signals instead of block on the blue ones

stations cannot be inside a path signal

[mint coral]

You owe your soul to the capitalist society you have no choice in being part of?

[west plover]

I double checked, that wasnt the issue. Co'uld these be interfering?

[meager kettle]

that seems to work

they're not erroring

[mint coral]

Those are for pioneer use only.

[meager kettle]

place a block signal before and after station so trains dont get stuck inside the intersection

[west plover]

It works now! Thank you so much!

[mint coral]

@meager kettle I was meaning to help but you got it covered ❤️

[meager kettle]

you can also chain path signals if you wanna make more advanced intersections

[west plover]

The next station was oriented the wrong way, thats why it didnt work💀

[mint coral]

The curved side faces out

---D

[west plover]

Finally my FMF factory is done

[mint coral]

FMF....

Fused modular frames?

[west plover]

Yeah, do you not abbreaviate them like that?

[mint coral]

I'm just bad at abreaviations lol

[mint coral]

I think ill plan out my heavy and fused at the same time.

[west plover]

I made 2HMF/min first, but now ive added 10 more and 4,5 of those are going into FMF

[mint coral]

Ya, I trying to avoid expanding facilities this time. I wana keep it clean

[west plover]

The first factory took me 10h to build, second one only took 2

[mint coral]

Woot woot

[west plover]

Here it is

It doesnt look as good as my aluminium factory, but it does the job

Now its time to unlock nuclear!!!

[mint coral]

The only thing im proud of building is this

#math-and-meta message

[west plover]

That looks awesome!

[mint coral]

Bold I like it.

I cheap out everytime and go rocket lol

[west plover]

Heres my aluminium factory that look 60h to build

[west plover]

Its mý first playthrough

[mint coral]

I'm on my tenth world.

[west plover]

Im finally producing RCU, Coolingsystems, HMF, FMF and supercomputers. Its time

[west plover]

Damn, im 180h in already, how many hours dont you have

[mint coral]

Steam says around 1000 but I do most my playing with the game closed using spreadsheets

Ive seen credits roll 7times.

I speed through though. Im trying to go slow

[west plover]

Hats off to you, holy!

[mint coral]

This time

[mint coral]

To quick. I need to slow down lol

So I am.

[west plover]

I respect the grind

[mint coral]

Current project is a phase three part and all the tech around it

Ai limiter
Computers
Hi speed connectors

#design-and-architecture message

Taking forever. Stupid curves

[west plover]

How do you curve foundations like that??!

[mint coral]

Patients. Lots of it

There is several YouTube guides.

[west plover]

No like actually how do you do it?

Im gonna have to check that out

[meager kettle]

look for a video, its pretty hard to explain in text

[west plover]

In my next playthrough, im going to go full on brutalism with everything being concrete and using underground trains and stations

[mint coral]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vpMKiF6ssAY?si=_SxrltF_FGaLglYB

I watched tons of video from several creators and figured out what worked for me

Ive seen others swear by this. But I couldn't get it to work

[west plover]

I didnt know you could finely rotate things!!!

Thats so utefull

[meager kettle]

that one is a bit convoluted, theres an easier way by aiming a foundation at a corner, then hold ctrl to rotate, and then nudge it into place

[west plover]

Its time...

[west plover]

I will have to try that out

[meager kettle]

then you can blueprint it easily and you got curves on demand :p

[mint coral]

Thats what I do.

Im on my way out and the other video is the first I saw the I recognized

[meager kettle]

theres also a way using catwalks

but its kinda outdated nowadays with the nudge

[mint coral]

Thats when I learned back in the day

[meager kettle]

ultimately just use whichever technique you like tho, the end result is usually the same

[west plover]

holy shit the nuclear powerplants are massive

[meager kettle]

yep, and you might end up needing many :p

i used 1200 uranium/min and ended up with 180 of them

[west plover]

Im ready

[safe bridge]

i owe my very being to this game!

[safe bridge]

not wanting to sound stupid, but how did you make that pic?

[west plover]

Its acreenshot from satisfactory modeler, its free om steam

[safe bridge]

i've got it, don't know how to use it

just like, i don't know how to automate everything to get the adaptive control units for phase 3

i pulled it up on the satisfactory calculator, and showed my wife and told her what i just said, and she said that i'm in a pickle

[west plover]

Just do it one step at a time

In modelere, seach for the part, then automate it one by one

[safe bridge]

i've already got most of the pieces i need, just not close enough

enough to put it all in one place

[safe bridge]

so, i'm trying to figure things out with the modeler

it's fun, i haven't really looked into it before now

i think it might even be easier to understand than the calculator!

[wind spade]

SCIM is pretty bad, yeah, but there are other tools out there

[safe bridge]

i'm trying the modeler out for the first time

[river peak]

Inquiry.

Trains: path signal right before a rail split or individually on each branch right after split?

[wind spade]

up to you really

no functional difference between those

[cedar folio]

Path signals before the rail split. Block signals after the intersection.

[wind spade]

that wasn't the question

[cedar folio]

How was it not? Maybe more than the question...

[wind spade]

the question was whether it matters if it's before or after the first split (but in both cases before the junction)

[cedar folio]

Ok then, I'll let the one asking the question decide if I answered it or not.

[wind spade]

I guess the emoji reaction already did that 😛

[vapid gorge]

it's a LOT of manual work, you have to make every node by hand

compared to this which took me 6 seconds https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yikfm21jaNhiVsB5Pk7C

[safe bridge]

i believe i have most of the necessary components already

i think i've looked at that site

[final otter]

yooo Question, Any idea why the Personal Elevator has a problem with the walls on the Left but not with walls on the right?

.

[vapid gorge]

no idea, delete the wal land build the elevator

[opaque belfry]

Guys I am only 100 hours into the game. Do you know the reason why my miners (480 per min) using mk 4 belts pile up even though not all of my smelters receive iron. Everything runs on mk 4 belts

[midnight hill]

How much do the smelters take in?

[opaque belfry]

Each takes in 30. I am using smart spliters

[midnight hill]

So you have the ratio 1 Miner : 16 Smelters?

[opaque belfry]

I use 4 miners on impure iron nodes. 3 are overclocked to 150 each and one is underclocled to 30. They merge to give an imput of 480. And then I have 16 smelters using manifold

[midnight hill]

Im not sure then

[outer vale]

could be a low tier belt segment stuck in there somewhere. go look at the belts to see which parts are backing up and which parts are underfed

[vapid gorge]

mismathed or you have a low mk belt somewhere, follow the problem backwards and then see what's clogged

[queen umbra]

I got a question I'm making about 6million point per minute and I want the golden nut I have 400coupon in reserved and each coupon need a heck lot of point like 20000000 should I just wait for the other 600 or I could build a factory to speed things up and if I should build a factory what item should it produces

I posted this in general but I think it would be more appropriate here

[vapid gorge]

do you wan tto keep playing the game or just have the nut?

[queen umbra]

I'll maybe want to touch the game again but right now I'm really focused on getting those last achievement

Like for fun no pressure

[vapid gorge]

could just save edit and put coupons in so you don't play an idle game

[opaque belfry]

So guys I have done as you suggested and I did find some mk3 belts. However, they were output belts and didn't solve the problem...

[queen umbra]

I would prefer doing legit

I'm just asking what item should I maybe massively build

[vapid gorge]

I mean it doesn't sound like you actually want to play the game so... just leave it running and pay your power provider for the achievement?

[wary rapids]

@queen umbra pasta

[queen umbra]

Kk

[wary rapids]

and some balistic warp drives on the side adjesent to wher eyou make weapons as a flex.

[river anchor]

Go to each smelter. Confirm they are only in taking 30/min. Set a conveyer laser to measure your input before the first splitter to determine your actual amounts. You may have a bad conveyer at your miner. Repeat until you find the anomaly . Conveyor laser and belts don't lie

[wary rapids]

90 percent of my problems are caesed by useing low end belts then forgeting to replace them after overclocking downstream.

[opaque belfry]

Guys it is fixed, it was indeed ONE mk3 belt INSIDE of my mk4 elevator

[vapid gorge]

often the case

[river anchor]

Mk6 fixes it all. Because it stands out so much

[vapid gorge]

@long bridge so this is a typical manifold loop for fluids https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1399363719460556861/image.png?ex=6998f845&is=6997a6c5&hm=cfa768d388756952598df9007a7d50e28509b42ae99b287a78f98fa110c6469b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=385&height=300

with mk2 pipes you can pretty reliably run 600 flow pipes like this as long as you don't have shenanigans happening

Because I like the look of bottom feeding, I developed this loop https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1416562932279672882/image.png?ex=6998eb09&is=69979989&hm=a27566151f825954f9f2377374e6782de5d38d61a2ef214c3d9cc554f6844ee4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

you sometimes need a powered pump before the start of the manifold, but it's pretty reliable. Gotta keep your pipes tidy, and I've gotten 600 flow working on it, but I don't recommend it.

oh and sometimes you want to make the input pipes mk1 instead of mk2

sometimes keeps it more stable

[long bridge]

should i split a mk2 pipe into two mk2 pipes running at 300 each with valves?

so they dont hit the cap

[vapid gorge]

for the pipe loop? generally no - especially no valves

valves will at best do nothing or at worst cause issues

I made the top image purely as a diagram and the mk1 pipes are a little more clear

[long bridge]

so is it better to run 3 mk2 pipes at 300 p/min each rather than 2 mk2 one at 600 one at 300

[vapid gorge]

run 3x mk1 pipes at that point

[long bridge]

or i guess 2 at 450 probably would be okay?

[vapid gorge]

3x at 300 would be more stable

[long bridge]

its coming from 4 oil nodes, 2 impure 2 normal, so i can easily make it 2x450

[vapid gorge]

essentially the lower the flow and fewer machines on a pipe manifold , the more bullshit you can get away with

I'd probably merge the 2x impure then have 1 line for each of the normal nodes

whenever possible, avoid merging fluid systems

[long bridge]

should i use mk2 pipes over mk1 even if only flowing at 300? just so i dont hit the flow limit

[vapid gorge]

nah, if you can use mk1s, slower flow keeps it more stable

and I'm not saying you CANT have 2x 450 flow - it's very doable, but it's slightly more work to keep it clean

you can do almost anything you want with a 300 flow system

more than 300 and you have to start thinking about it

[long bridge]

alright. thank you!

[vapid gorge]

no prob! this is a set of soft 'rules' for simple and reliable piping #math-and-meta message

makes life simpler if all you care are functioning pipes you don't have to work too hard for

[long bridge]

so what good are valves if they break things

[vapid gorge]

basically nothing.

people have created things using them but there's simpler more reliable options w/o

[long bridge]

lol okay

[vapid gorge]

fluids can still knock other fluids BEHIND the valve, so it doesn't effectively stop back flow
and machine consumption already controls how much flow goes down the pipe

so if you have 5 machines using 235 fluid pm, a valve set to 235 does nothing

plus they have some hidden mechanics that can make thigns wobbly

[vast timber]

What's a good setup for alcad aluminium Casing alt recipe

[vapid gorge]

be near lots of copper? it's a really big resource cost

iirc it's a bunch of copper for like a 17% higher output? generally not worth it for me

[long bridge]

how often should i have the part with the 2 junctions stacked so that part comes down?

im building on circular foundation, so its a little challenging

[vapid gorge]

you mean like this?

[long bridge]

yes

is this okay?

im standing next to what will be the input

[vapid gorge]

should be good, and you feed the top pipe first so it then prioritises going down

[long bridge]

yep! okay

just gotta figure out how i want to get the oil in now

[vapid gorge]

I also build in curves 🙂 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1240206597729419264/my_cop_sheets.png?ex=6998b826&is=699766a6&hm=7929d69ec95632e5c7a3ce5f1dc01f632d4a353e995299a0b4af3663630e7763&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[long bridge]

yours looks much better than mine though 🙂

this is all i have so far

the bottom layer is going to have the byproduct refiniers to make residual fuel and petcoke

then all the physical things are going up to the roof

[vapid gorge]

looks good!

I used mods on mine to get the refineries closer to gether

the corners of them clip on the inside curve

[long bridge]

yeah thats why mine are so far apart. they ket clipping. plus i couldnt get them to always rotate the same ammount since i built foundations first

this was my first circular build though

[vapid gorge]

Very solid 🙂

[long bridge]

thank you! hopefully i can get it to look good

[long bridge]

are shorter pipes better or worse for flow rate

[vapid gorge]

have fewer segments of anything in general

[long bridge]

the pipes are very ugly in the logistics floor.

i did what i could to limit the sections, so hopefully it will work and not have flow rate issues

[cinder silo]

Remember when I did one of those and was trying to draw from the top pipe which made it horribly borked 🤣

[vapid gorge]

noooooo... been a while?

[cinder silo]

The bauxite refinery booboo.

[vapid gorge]

..... sooooorrrry?

[terse stone]

Has anyone made a 440 building array for improved power efficiency?

[viscid python]

440?

Hrm

[meager kettle]

god no, power is not that big of an issue to build 400x the building to save a few mw

[terse stone]

Looking at power reduction for a mega project. Reducing the amount of nuclear fuel needed frees up resources needed for making other items. Need to take off ~30% net power usage for things to work out which is about 3x buildings at 33% across the board

The 440 buildings for max power efficiency is most out of curiosity though. Taking a stab at it, here is a cell of 55 constructors making concrete. 8 more of these needed to get to the equivalent single constructor output of 15 i/min. This is on a separate power grid to compare.

[wind spade]

that clipping 🤢

[terse stone]

Plaid weave is fine by me 😁 In theory this 1/8th cell should have 1/8th the power consumption of a single constructor, so 0.5MW, but it's reading 5.5MW. Suspect that the lowest power consumption of a building hits a floor of 0.1MW and 55x buildings adds up to the 5.5MW reading

[terse stone]

With this 0.1MW floor constraint the max power efficiency gains (keeping production the same) is 16 buildings for Constructors, 44 buildings for Assemblers, and 118 for Manufacturers

[midnight eagle]

what is your suggestion on what I should do with the extra 400 fuel/m ?
Transforming it into Turbo Fuel seems easy enough but has very annoying ratios (17.777 refineries needed and an output of 333.333 Turrbofuel/m)
making it into rocket fuel requires an extra 400 sulphur (super far away and not convenient (not a multiple of 300 or 600)) 200 coal (not ideal but easy enough) and 300 nitrogen gas/m (same)

[wind spade]

not make it if you don't need it

[midnight eagle]

but... ADA said I should strive for efficiency ?
surely not exploiting that juicy 400 fuel/m would keep me from saving the puppies and kittens ?

[wind spade]

making less doesn't change efficiency

[meager kettle]

could just burn it

make power

[wind spade]

could just not make it

[midnight eagle]

already made unfortunately x) it's just sitting there as I expand from 20 Rocket fuel Blenders to 60

[midnight eagle]

I could... but it seems like wasted potential...
I'm torn between the FICSIT need for exploitation and my need for nice neat ratios/numbers

[meager kettle]

sounds like you made your mind up. get to work on the logistics

[queen umbra]

Could I do that loop to pick up all that sulfur

[meager kettle]

sure

[queen umbra]

Will I need a lot of wagon

And only one track would to the trick?

[meager kettle]

can make as big of a network you like, once you have the groundwork, its super easy to just tee off the main line, make a station and load it up

[queen umbra]

I understand

[meager kettle]

i will never recommend one track only

[queen umbra]

Now

[meager kettle]

you can only have one train on one track, if you have two in each direction you have as many you can fit

[queen umbra]

I will put one wagon per 1200ore so the output is 1200 I will need 3 wagon

For 3600

Ore/min

[meager kettle]

you will need to build it first to see thruput

might be ok with one train, might need two or three to reach 1200/min per terminal

[queen umbra]

What is thruput? I speak French sorry

[meager kettle]

items/min

[queen umbra]

Won't they collide? If they are on the same track

[meager kettle]

the train terminals will show an estimate on how many items/min they move

not if you signal the tracks

[queen umbra]

Ok

[meager kettle]

you can see each colored block when signaled. a block can only be occupied by one train, so they wont collide

(also never build your train highway like that, big mistake)

[celest rune]

Like what-?

[meager kettle]

4 lanes

and make them interchange

was a failed experiment cus trains no work like that

[queen umbra]

It looks good tho

[meager kettle]

yea, but two tracks would've been the same

[queen umbra]

Ok I'm gonna build the track first

[wind spade]

yeah there's not a reason to build more than 2 tracks in SF

[meager kettle]

there is, but keep them separate

like having an upper and a lower track lets you divvy up traffic and you can have one line for more high priority items

[strong heath]

I just finished my plates, screws and rod factory, should I make another factory for rotors and RIP or a central storage?

[river anchor]

Central storage is not that important I would not bother at all.

[strong heath]

Alright you just solved a headache for me ty

[river anchor]

Jusf have a box that.stores at the end of your lines and that's enough for most everything. . If you're going back to your base for a shopping list, centralizing it isn't that much time savings

[meager kettle]

dimensional depots kinda invalidated the storages of yesteryear (pre 1.0), but if you enjoy making them, go for it. they can look pretty cool

[wind spade]

well that's just two separate routes really

[meager kettle]

yes, exaktly

[strong heath]

I current do not have them dimensional depots

[river anchor]

It's ok, a shopping mall doesn't save much. Most early stuff you can just split into a box and into the next phase of materials

[queen umbra]

@meager kettle I have completed my train track do I get one train on it to see if it's enough?

[terse stone]

Testing underclocked systems for same output but reduced net power usage for a build. Here's a 1x Constructor vs 9x Constructor setup running at the same throughput but with half the power consumption.

I do want to further clip everything together to fill a smaller footprint if possible.

Are there any good blueprints that clip 9 buildings into one with belts attached? I can get two constructors clipped into eachother but see the belt manifold can quickly get unruly

[shut swift]

so is there a recommended workbook that has all the calcs for satisfactory?

I am going to need one soonish

[terse stone]

Condensed this 9x constructor footprint into a single placement with looped manifolds on either end. This can replace individual constructors to produce the same output but at half the power!

[mint coral]

Minor clipping

[midnight eagle]

Allriiight

9000 m^3/m of rocket fuel
870 Generators placed
540 GW theoretical power output

[midnight eagle]

the theoretical part is my question :
I understand that the ends of manifolds will take ages to fill up (the longer the manifold, the longer the saturation time) but the bottom floor has been running for a couple of hours and the ends still choke

I thought sloshing would be limited as rocket fuel is a gas and not a liquid

what must I do to :
A) flatten that grey line
B) Bring that number to 540 GW as Maths order it so

P.S. (the reason consumption is so low is because I've isolated the grid in case something went wrong (and to take out other variables from the rest of the mess that's around my save)

[terse stone]

Using the new clipped blueprints here's a footprint and power comparison of the same output production but with four different methods: A overclock + sloop, B overclock, C normal, D underclock

[meager kettle]

yea, make one train, then sink whats delivered, let it run for a bit then check the thruput on terminal. if its what you want. fine. if not make another train

[crimson moat]

even if the flow works perfectly, it can take 10+ hours for a running rocket fuel setup to fill.

144 gens is 14,400 rocket fuel, plus all of the pipes along the way, you can need like 25k rocket fuel on one pipe. That's 42 minutes if everything is off (net +600/min).

If you're burning almost all of what you put in and only building up excess from the generators that are flipping off, it will be much longer (10x).

The usual solution to this is to fill the generators before they're connected to power or with them copy/pasted to 1% clock, wait the 40 minutes until everything is full, then put them all back at 100%. If they start to deplete and stutter after that then you know that there is a flow issue.

[meager kettle]

144 gens is 1440 rocket fuel if they clocked to 240%

or a singular 600 pipe if they at 100%

[meager kettle]

math seems a little off tho, 9000 rocket fuel would be 900 gens at 240%. for it to be 870 you have to clock them to 248.275% Also if you group them in batches of 60 gens per pipe, you can place pump at beginning of manifold and a second in the middle, and it'll work just fine.

also the pipe math at 248% would be a pain to deal with, 240% would make it a lot simpler being an even 60 per pipe

[wind spade]

even numbers are same difficulty as uneven

you just clock the previous machine

[meager kettle]

i would disagree, you're saving one machine, having 59 instead of 60. and you'll have to set last one to a really weird number. vs just having same settings on all and just copy paste the machines without thought

[wind spade]

you can just set all to the amount you need per pipe

if you need e.g. 60.25, set the machine to make 60.25

[meager kettle]

which is my point, set them to 240% and they use exaktly 10 per gen, making it simple

[wind spade]

but if the gen needs 10.1, set the machine to make 10.1

(or 20.2 and hook it to 2 gens, or whatever)

[meager kettle]

it doesnt tho

[wind spade]

it's the same if it's at 240% as it would be at any other clock speed

changing clock speed on gens would change clock speeds on machines before

[meager kettle]

mmm no

they have 600 pipes

[wind spade]

you don't need to max out pipes

[meager kettle]

are you going against your own mantra of full pipe is happy pipe?

[wind spade]

fullness of a pipe is a different thing from flow of a pipe

full pipe = happy pipe is about fullness of a pipe
has nothing to do with flow

[midnight eagle]

I have each 600/m pipe connected to 57 generators at 250% + 1 generator at 150%
According to the Wiki 3 generators burn exactly 12.5 m³/m so 24 generators would do 100 and 144 generators at 100% would do 600, 600/2.5=57.6 generators at 250% and 2.5*0.6=1.5 to give 57 Generators at 250% + 1 at 150%

[frosty owl]

I think that the last part of your point is a subjective preference.
Eg: some prefer having all machines at an "easy to remember/do math with" clock and just one machine being the exception (clocked differently); so they can be like "15 machines at 200% = 30, then I have this one at 69% so the total is 30.69, quick maff"

You still copy-paste most of the stuff, except for just one machine

[thick plank]

Well, lets see how long the gas reserves of Europe are gonna last.

This will become ugly very fast tomorrow.

If Iran succesfully mines the Gulf of Persia we are completely fucked since we cant import from Russia and the US is actively screwing us over

[mint coral]

join us in #off-topic-general we were just alking about power

[thick plank]

Also Gulf of Aden is gonna get insecure due to Houthis, but considering american presence they will probably be able to keep it open

[thick plank]

Not seeing where

[long bridge]

decided i needed another 32 coal gens because i cant even run my motor/computer factory on just 40

do you guys tear down coal gens or leave them up when you get fuel?

[meager kettle]

leave em, might upgrade the belts/miner to feed em off like a single node instead of 2/3

isolate with priority switches, so worst case, i can use the coal power to restart a fuel plant for example

hasnt happened yet, but i like having it just in case

[long bridge]

how do you go about isolating networks? just a priority switch for each factory?

[meager kettle]

yea

just make sure you put em on each power line in

otherwise they wont work

[long bridge]

i need to get high speed connector first. my computer factory will make those, but that factory is taking forever because im tryna do it round

i think its looking pretty good so far, but still a WIP, just got the oil refiners running and then my power grid shat itself

[river anchor]

8 biofuel -> 8 coal -> 16 coal -> fuel, more fuel, rocket fuel. Nuclear.

[mint coral]

i generally look at it as Rocket fuel OR nuclear

[queen umbra]

I don't understand why a saine person would want to do nuclear

[mint coral]

some ppl feel the flip side for placing fuel generators.

My last rocket fuel setup needed 480 of them set to 240%

[river anchor]

Nuclear isn't hard, especially if you've set up other stuff automated

I can drone 90% of the materials up through plutonium. Cubes and rods do wonders

[queen umbra]

Yeah but I think the pros outweigh the cons by a lot

I placed 580gen and it wasn't that bad if you got all the parts automated and with blueprints

[river anchor]

Blueprints do make it nice, especially if you blueprint the refinery through blender

[strong heath]

Alright here I have my first coal power plant, 120 coal per minute on a MK2 belt that splits into the 8 machines respectivley. However the last 4 (as you can see in the image) even after 30 minutes of running cant get full

[scarlet sky]

Is it backing up on the main belt?

Or is that feeder belt running at full speed?

I mean before any of the splitters that go to the generators

[strong heath]

The feeder belt is running at full speed on the Mk2 belts yes, I used 2 normal nodes and then merged them together on a 120/min belt

[scarlet sky]

Inspect the generators after the first two that have the full belts leading up to them. Are they filling up with coal?

My first thought is that these generators just haven't had enough time to fill up yet

[strong heath]

Yeah those two generators are full

and their belts are full

[scarlet sky]

And then keep going back, further down the main line, inspecting the generators, seeing whether or not they're slowly filling with coal

[strong heath]

They arent

It burns the coal just as fast as it gets it in so it slowly goes down

Should I possibly turn off the grid and get all the machines synced?

[scarlet sky]

ok I'm thinking you've got another section of Mk.1 belt somewhere, maybe back down towards the miners, because that's exactly what would happen if these generators were being fed by a Mk.1 belt

[strong heath]

OHH MY GODDD AGAIN ISTGFGG GIUJSHfihudejuwfeueaufwiuwhfefweuihfwehfwed

i found the mk1 belt.

istg I checked it like 30 times

[scarlet sky]

https://ficsit.app/mod/ZNFaaRV4ow5M4 is a fantastic mod to check for this

It won't tell you where you've got a straggling bit of belt you haven't upgraded, but it will definitely tell you what speed the whole belt system is limited to

[strong heath]

Would it remove my ability to get achievements?

[scarlet sky]

No

[strong heath]

oh good then ill get it lol

[scarlet sky]

You can equip a little hand tool, and point it at a belt or a pipe. It'll tell you how much input the belt has, how much output it needs, and what the limit of the belt system is

[strong heath]

oo

[scarlet sky]

Same for pipes, I use it all the time

[strong heath]

thanks dudee!!

[scarlet sky]

On long belts you can delete a section of belt, and then either one side or the other will be limited to the previous belt teir, so you know in which direction to go. Hook it back up, go a bit further down the belt, rinse and repeat.

Seriously this mod is fantastic and I can't imagine playing the game without it

Plus, vanilla friendly, if mods break, nothing in your save breaks

[cobalt scarab]

So i think i did good. I was sorta calculating the beginning of my set up then I had to calculate what I needed in the end so I could get the middle then used this tool to check my math. It was like a math sadnwhich

[frosty owl]

Given it doesn't account for smart splitters (ie: sushi), I've never found it useful for me 😆
It can also take quite a while for it to calculate results when the beltwork is big enough ^^ (eg: many production lines sharing one or more belts)

[shrewd yacht]

what is the actual net power gain from 2.5 Ficsonium in a single plant?

I've been running this through various AI and the number seem to be around 30GW?

For the whole chain that is

[wind spade]

Don't use AI

2.5 ficsonium rods/min?

[shrewd yacht]

well your site breaks when I tell it to do a chain for those rods

says it can't do it

[wind spade]

Add waste

[shrewd yacht]

but yes I was trying to keep it simple for my first attempt

add waste?

[wind spade]

Yeah, there's no recipe for uranium or plutonium waste, so you need to add it as input

[shrewd yacht]

but I have no idea how much

[wind spade]

Based on how much you have from previous step

[shrewd yacht]

uh? I don't know the previous step

that is the point of the calculator no?

[wind spade]

Or just add some amount and see how much you get from that

[shrewd yacht]

hmm... well the other site seem to work

[wind spade]

Other site?

[shrewd yacht]

satisfactory calculator

[wind spade]

Well it can't deal with byproducts or loops, so I doubt it gives anything relevant

[shrewd yacht]

seem to be ok if I select realistic mode

[wind spade]

That doesn't change anything

The realistic mode often gives out tons of nonsense

[shrewd yacht]

hmm... no idea how to make it work in your calculator

added some waste and find out how much is used for each step

but it doesn't tell me how many rods I need to produce in the previous step to produce said waste

[wind spade]

wiki gives you that info

[shrewd yacht]

so if it tells me 5 plutonium waste to make a ficsonium rod I need to burn 0.5 plutonium rods per minute?

well to make 2.5 ficsonium rods that is

I just added a random big value for plutonum waste as input and it says it needs 5

[wind spade]

set the output to 2.5 ficsonium rods

[shrewd yacht]

did that

[wind spade]

that will tell you how much waste you need

that gives you how much plutonium rods you need

[shrewd yacht]

and the wiki says a fully OC plant uses 0.25 plutonum rods/min and produces 2.5 waste

so two plants would be 0.5 plutonium rods/min

[wind spade]

or each rod makes 10 waste, so you divide the waste by 10 to get number of rods 😉

[shrewd yacht]

but then that makes an awful output of uranium waste needed

66.667

and for uranium its 1 rod to 50 waste?

[wind spade]

well that depends on which recipes you use

[shrewd yacht]

great...

[wind spade]

tho 1 rod to 50 waste is always

[shrewd yacht]

right

wonder if I need to start at the other end instead

and just add on what is needed to consume the byproducts all the way to the top

I should probably not have watched Kibz and his insanity of a plant LOL

[elfin wyvern]

I've spent hours planning my build using both the tools and modeller and spreadsheets so don't feel bad 😂

[tame roost]

If it makes you feel any better gazer I just spent like almost 2 hours drawing up a piping plan to recycle waste sulfuric acid from uranium processing into more blenders to minimize the amount I need to package and sink (I've got a total of 25 blenders) before learning about VIP junctions for pipes which makes the whole thing obsolete lmao

[shrewd yacht]

heh

[wind spade]

even better is to separate fresh and byproduct

[elfin wyvern]

at this stage i've probably spent more time planning than actually building 😂

[wind spade]

VIP junction is... a bit magic and not even its author recommends it anymore

[tame roost]

Nuclear power is complicated lmao. But I want those sweet sweet plutonium fuel rods to sink cause I'm trying to get a golden nut

[tame roost]

What do you mean?

[wind spade]

it's not really an official feature to work like this and with 1.2 approaching with possible fluid changes, I wouldn't recommend building setups relying on pipe magic

I would just separate fresh and byproduct refineries

(or blenders or whatever)

[tame roost]

Ah heck, should have saved that diagram lol. Well, depending on when 1.2 launches I might try pipe magic. We find out when it launches in a couple days right?

[elfin wyvern]

we find out when the comes to Experimental, yes

also the Non-fissile uranium and nitric acid loop is perfectly balanced once it's primed

(or with sulfuric acid)

[shrewd yacht]

I go for balance even if I've used the pipe thingy

been running perfectly for many many hours

@wind spade Could you add a simple convert recipe on/off option as well?

kind of annoying having to go through the list and find them and disable them

not sure if the calculator ever uses them if there is base stuff available

[elfin wyvern]

you can turn the converter off in machine list? or search for ? (

[shrewd yacht]

but the converter might be needed for other things

hmm.. so how much base power do I need to make it worth feeding matrixes to the augmenter?

I found I needed to sloop quite a few encoders or the raw resource use would be massive along with the power use

and I could get the same extra power by using 2 extra sloops and add two extra augmenters

oh wait its 10 per augmenter

forgot about that... hmm

[elfin wyvern]

For me i only used them in early-middle game when i didn't have turbo/rocket fuel running yet

[shrewd yacht]

wish power switch would show the consumption behind it

[elfin wyvern]

after that I have so much surplus power it would be a waste of sloops

[shrewd yacht]

wiki says 60GW to break even

I used 12 sloops just to make the matrix heh

4 per encoder making oscillators, power shards and the final matrix

[wind spade]

Not simple

But you can toggle converter

[shrewd yacht]

maybe separate them into a diferent category?

[wind spade]

Data gathering is automatic process

[tidal swan]

why is this not working?

[elfin wyvern]

You're producing extra Rubber (try add a storage container on the rubber connection to the plastic)

[tidal swan]

ty

[main thicket]

i planned to build 50 nuclear power plants at 250% but now i have to build 80 but make the same power as the 50. how much should i clock each one? i cant figure out the math for that

[outer vale]

• what's the total clock speed of 50 at 250%
• given that total, divide by 80 to get the clock speed you'd need for 80

(there are shortcuts, but that's a reliable easy way)

[meager kettle]

A nuclear gen at 250% uses 0.5 uranium fuel rods/Min or 0.25 plutonium ones.

The maximum number of uranium fuel rods you can make without converting materials is 50.4/min

[terse stone]

Rate Challenge for producing Space Elevator parts per minute to unlock each Phase. I didn't think this was possible until recently solving for power consumption limits. Notably this plan produces 110 NP/min and 20 BWD /min (along side all the other SE parts). I'm interested if anyone else has attempted a similar rate challenge playthrough.

Rate Challenge overview slides for anyone curious https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1hM0WsOClQs5g_938sNQ8lyh7AXMbN2vLg4SbyYyydso/edit?usp=sharing

[river anchor]

Sounds miserable

[oblique hollow]

ok so someone once showed / told me of a way to buffer gas.
and i didnt quite believe it.
but now that i get how pumps work, it makes sense.

this can be used to buffer gas output (or even input) of trains for example

and yes it has to specifically be pumps that are used and you have to split the pipe in half

buffers can be the small ones too though

the buffers only fill 50% of the way and still you get 600/min output on the left pipe

Turns out pumps do work on gas, but not to increase headlift (since there is none)
Pumps seperate pipeline pressure and forward only the input pressure. This is the one case where you can actually differentiate between headlift and actual pressure

[crimson moat]

probably works even better with more buffers

so long as the i/o connections for the buffers have equal priority

and with gas, i think you can stack them vertically while doing that

[stone delta]

That is amazing. Let's throw into the fluid manual.

.
I have been designing sushi line factories where different factory blueprints share the same sushi lines for loading and offloading items during recipe utilization. Something that I wish I had access to is an online calculator that not only computes optimal recipe layout, but aranges the recipes in the optimal order to reduce the sushi line shared requirements between the recipes. Is there anything like this online that I can use?

[hushed silo]

ive set up some variable input for fluids

output water + water extractor -> input water

set the numbers so it could run infinately however it gets clogged after some point

so im wondering if this type of solution gets buggy or is it something on my end that i didnt place correctly

[river anchor]

Both are possible

[hushed silo]

like could it be due to gamestart or server restart

[river anchor]

Would have to see the setup. It may not truly be variable input.

[hushed silo]

i copy pasted the image in the pdf

whole thing got me wondering is this known to not work

in case i wont forget ill make a post in #1038092680493801533

[river anchor]

Is your incoming water flat/uphill the entire way or downhill?

[strong heath]

The widest one is the one producing 120 rods

The other manifolds, going up are plates and screws

[glacial crest]

Wait no i didnt

[wind spade]

Generally we recommend to not merge fresh and byproduct water

[tranquil ember]

Hey, Im trying to build a series of blueprints for a bunch of belt lanes (5 lanes three high each) and am wondering how I split off or merge on to the inner lanes.

is there a better way to do this? distances are not really far enough for trains (which I dont have)

[long bridge]

could you technically infinitetly duplicate liquid biofuel with 2 packagers and sloops?

[wind spade]

build near nodes instead of shipping them over 😛

[wind spade]

you can't sloop packagers

[long bridge]

oh. probably cuz you could infinitely dupe any packaged items... eh

[tranquil ember]

The goal right now is to centralize everything in the desert, I'll prob do other styles elsewhere but want something big here

[wind spade]

(centralisation is not really recommended, but obviously your save your rules)

[tranquil ember]

complexity or UPS reasons?

[wind spade]

both

[tranquil ember]

even the one biome is too big?

[wind spade]

biome size doesn't matter, it's still one map 🙂

biome is player-made distinction 😉

[tranquil ember]

but yeah, the goal isnt to centralize the entire factory, just whats in the desert

[wind spade]

I'd still build each factory near nodes it needs instead of centralising

[unique cypress]

Kinda sad
It wouldn't even be that OP considering how slow packagers are

[hushed silo]

be more descriptive

[frosty owl]

Ie: a solution where you consume the byproduct water with a specific production line instead of merging it with extracted water wouldn't require prioritization and avoid all related issues/complications

[meager kettle]

this is apparently fobidden in here :p

[hushed silo]

hmmm

forbidden art double valve

[minor rivet]

am i doin good

it gets worss

[meager kettle]

looks like most peoples starter factories

[frosty owl]

That's like... doubly illegal!

[meager kettle]

i know right, valves and bottomfed :p

[minor rivet]

i have a highway

[frosty owl]

Some might even say "triply illegal"... (floor-holing)

[frosty owl]

Wait... Is the system at max flow too?
Because if it is, we might be able to call it a poker of illegality

[meager kettle]

yea. 120 water in, 100 water out. 20 water added with a restrictive valve at bottom

copied over 41 blenders

[frosty owl]

How's that max flow? I'm not following

[meager kettle]

max flow for the blender. not the pipe

inputting 600 water to one blender aint gonna work

unless you do a vip system, but then feed pipe needs to be above, and that looks ass imo :p

[oblique hollow]

Thats not max flow then.
Max flow usually means pipes at their flow limit

Bottom feeding can work very well if you arent at the limit

And the valves here are not in series so its not an "illegal move" either

[frosty owl]

Tbh, this is the first time I recall hearing about not using valves in series VS not using valves at all

[wind spade]

not using valves at all is "recommended for new people", rather than "rule to live by"

[oblique hollow]

Valves in series have a high chance of triggering a bug that sets headlift to 0 basically

Valves in parallel, aka on each output / input of a junction, is the correct way to split flow with valves

Valves work perfectly fine nowadays, its just that theres many ways to use them incorrectly that actively affects flow (or headlift in that case) negatively

[wind spade]

Also not much benefit vs vertical loop

[burnt crow]

hey, a question, how do i like, give the machines what they need like 574.251 per minute?? cause i have this kinda model of a factory but i dont know how to start honestly, or how could i balance it, cause im kinda new and im learning the math in the game

[wind spade]

you make a group of machines that makes 574.251

[burnt crow]

but what i mean is, is there a way to just divide the 810 input into 574.251 and 235.749??

[wind spade]

one splitter and let it overflow

or not have single input, instead have input of 574.251 and input of 235.749

[outer vale]

also, bear in mind your belt limits, with a factory like that I doubt you have belts with the capacity to lump all the ore on one belt anyway

[burnt crow]

yeah no, i have 3 inputs of 270 iron ores

[wind spade]

manifold

[vapid gorge]

clock a group of machines to make exactly that amount and put it on a belt

or, if you have a fast enough belt to have all the parts per min on it, just have it on one belt and let it self balance

or a mix of both depending on what you need and how fast your belts are

[polar mauve]

can somebody help me with a specific problem with my pipes? nobody answering in the q*h chat

[mint coral]

Noct is trying to

[wind spade]

#1038092680493801533 is best for it, just wait until someone answers. The same people are here and there

[summer flare]

You've discovered one of the problems with tools in that where you have multiple production lines that share common items, these are grouped as one and leave you with how to distribute the output. That and floating point/rounding errors (In your diagram, the iron ore distribution should be exactly 574.25 and 235.75).
I'd suggest using Satisfactory Modeler in this case, where you can separate the production lines and limit the dependency between them. Not wanting to spoil anything, but here is how I would do your use case Iron products in Satisfactory Modeler, with adjusted outputs to give "nice" numbers. It only leaves 210 iron ore for the Steel production instead of 235.75 but that's something I'll leave for you to work out.

[mint coral]

574.251 over 19.142 smelters

So essentially 20 smelters.

What ever overclock you can figure out to equal the out put of 316.25 ingots /min

[outer vale]

A better example would be showing the same production line, not modifying it

[summer flare]

Well, it was just a suggestion and how I would do it, given the required item output numbers appear to be arbitrary. In this case I would rather make the numbers work for me rather than be forced to work with the numbers.

[outer vale]

that'd apply to any tool though

[valid fable]

anyone got any information on what the most effective train intersection is, as i have followed BitwiseAssembly on youtube and got some very good information, but don't know what others think of it ?

[meager kettle]

most effective would prob be one where tracks dont cross

but a bit annoying to build

[valid fable]

but should i use path signals in it? since in his test scores, he got worse results with path signals

[meager kettle]

if tracks dont cross you dont need path signals

[valid fable]

but tracks merge?

shouldn't path be used when merging tracks?

[meager kettle]

no? you're merging two into one, theres no multiple paths to take there

[valid fable]

i guess i have misunderstood how path signals work, don't they like "order" the next block, so another train will stop, if first said is going to enter right before?

[meager kettle]

path signals are good when an intersection can handle multiple trains across many tracks

[valid fable]

here is the stack interchange btw

[meager kettle]

yea so thats an intersection where tracks dont cross

theres no path signals on it, cause you dont have tracks crossing

[valid fable]

i have misunderstood how path signals work i guess, maybe thats why my current infrastructure don't hold up 🧐 (i got over 150 trains in my system)

[outer vale]

path signals in intersections are for when two trains could safely take different paths through the same block without intersecting

block signal'd limit it to just a flat 1 train in the block, but with path signals you can get multiple if they take independent non-intersecting paths

[meager kettle]

path signals would for example allow 2+ trains to occupy this intersection. since its reserving paths thru a block

[valid fable]

that i got, but in this situation, if both trains were to come at 100 km /h when they are at this point, both signals would be green, they wouldn't be able to stop before a crash ?

[meager kettle]

as soon one train enters next block, it will be red for the other

[outer vale]

one should immediately stop once the other enters the block - braking time is a nice realism thing but they'll happily just immediately stop in place

[meager kettle]

theres no scenario where both pass the block at the exakt microsecond

[valid fable]

so is it just cus its a game, it instantly stops?

[meager kettle]

yep

[valid fable]

well shit

[outer vale]

if given time to brake, they'll brake

[meager kettle]

100-0 in about 0.1s

[outer vale]

if not, inertia go byebye

[valid fable]

well thats good i guess. definitely i have not spent hundreds of hours trying to adjust things in my old infrastructure to accommodate that

[meager kettle]

also if you do use path signals. leave a rather large gap between that and the block signal before it

[valid fable]

i think i will be able to avoid it mostly in my new infrastructure, thanks 🙂

[meager kettle]

example

[valid fable]

wow you build alot nicer than i do

[mint coral]

Its a cat thing

[valid fable]

are those circles around the entrance signs or some mod ?

[meager kettle]

pillars and signs

[valid fable]

i don't know if i want to know what that means or not

[meager kettle]

no mod used

[valid fable]

nice

do you play with mods? the best mod for building i found, is the curves mod, its so good when making these train tracks

[meager kettle]

not used mods since 1.0

[valid fable]

i started using mods this playthrough as i did finish once 1.0 without

[frosty owl]

Who needs a Particle Accelerator with trains like this?!

[sleek harness]

does satisfactory calculator somehow calculate output based on input?

[mint coral]

Thats a question for the scim discord.

Most ppl here recommend using satisfactory tools here.

As the author is part of this community and we understand its quirks and strengths

[long bridge]

do water towers work for fluids? And if so, why dont more people talk about using them for bottom feeding? it seems like if you just bring the liquid above the machine at some point in the loop then gravity will bring it back up to that point, right?

[outer vale]

water towers and bottom feeding are pretty unrelated

[meager kettle]

they work, and they're not needed to bottomfeed

water towers kinda just move problem from A to B

if you can't get it to work in location A where machines are, its probably not gonna work in location B where you place a water tower

[long bridge]

i was just thinking it could help with potential headlift issues from the bottom feeding?

or do pumps headlift work after splitting pipe

[meager kettle]

i think part of the issue is people follow the pipe guide made back in update 6, and think like pumps only do headlift, but they do more than that. So adding pumps in strategic places actually help flow.

[outer vale]

the issue with bottom feeding isn't the head lift

[long bridge]

its sloshing from backflow?

[outer vale]

if it was, then the easy solution would indeed be "just have a lil more"

[meager kettle]

easy solution is pump before manifold

[outer vale]

I forget the specifics unfortunately, but I thiiiink it's more to do with the pipe briefly emptying when the machine takes its next chunk of input? so you've gotta wait for that pipe segment to refill before it reaches the machine properly again. Whereas if you feed from above, emptying the pipe a bit still leaves most of the fluid at the machine input

[meager kettle]

yea, and a pump helps push liquid in, so its no longer an issue when bottomfeeding

[long bridge]

i mean the bottom fed refineries are working atm, just a lot of headache to get them working

[meager kettle]

was a discussion about it in #design-and-architecture earlier today

#design-and-architecture message

[sleek harness]

i couldn't find it and just used gemini xD it worked

[river anchor]

Typically will encounter an issue when you max out the pipe flow, have large volume pipes, etc etc.

I bottom fed a tower of blenders 600m3 of water, it can only manage 580m3 before the top will starve. No amount of pumps valves etc will fix it. Only possibility is going above and back down, in which case... no longer bottom fed

[frosty owl]

BTW, SCIM's creator (Anthor) is also in the server ^^

[mint coral]

I had no clue lol. But im sure the best place to dig into details is the scim discord no?

[frosty owl]

(Not saying we should ping hi for every small question, but for "important" stuff it's fine)

[mint coral]

I feel like i said that hours ago. But it was less then 50 minutes. Fml work is dragging

[frosty owl]

For sure. But if you ever find a serious issue or something you can just ping from here

[wind spade]

Water towers are just pump with extra steps

[latent shard]

is the compacted coal interesting ?

[meager kettle]

mainly to make turbo fuel

[latent shard]

and we can use to power a power plant ? is it worth it ?

[meager kettle]

you can use it in a coal gen yes, and not really worth it imo

[wind spade]

it can make many things (turbofuel is kinda meh)
it can be burnt in coal gens for decent increase of energy

[latent shard]

how much coal for a compressed one ?

[wind spade]

wdym

[meager kettle]

1 coal = 1 compacted coal

just need 1 sulfur too

which makes it kinda expensive

[wind spade]

sulfur is kinda free

unless you spam TF

[latent shard]

sulfur ? no problem if i can double my potential power capacity xD

[meager kettle]

sulfur has so many other uses which are just... better imo

[wind spade]

eh, none of that uses have sulfur as limiting factor really, apart from TF which is completely optional

[river anchor]

Mid game compacted coal let's you double coal gens, while you have no other sulfur uses

Personal choice really, try whatever

[latent shard]

compacted coal double his potential energy but does he double the energy output of the coal power plant ?

[river anchor]

No you just make twice as many plants

[meager kettle]

no you need more coal plants

[latent shard]

okay like what i tought

[vapid gorge]

so if you have

2 coal nodes
vs
1 coal 1 sulfur

from memory you need more work to process the compacted coal and get the same energy

just go find 4 coal nodes next to water. It's much simpler

[wind spade]

yeah but usually you don't choose "one coal or one sulfur node", but rather "should I add this sulfur to my coal or not"

[vapid gorge]

but you can easily choose a location that reflects a simpler option

[wind spade]

for sure, just saying that "2 coal vs 1+1" is not a choice you hit in the game

(in most cases)

[vapid gorge]

not right next to each other no

[scarlet sky]

lol whoops left all my sinks off for a good half hour

[magic fulcrum]

should i take the molded steel pipes, reroll , or just keep it in my hardrive libary

[vapid gorge]

both have their uses

adding concrete to extend your steel can be really good

and honestly coal on the map is basically trash post early tiers. Great way to extend crystal

[novel yarrow]

been meaning to ask, what program/website is this that people use? ive seen it around on here and havent had a real use but im finally planning my first "large scale" factory building to consolodate my big ol mess ive made

ignore above, its literally in the message

[vapid gorge]

there's modeler , with that image, but it's more of layout planner that you have to create things manually

there's satisfactory tools https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production that is a very powerful planner you can create and edit very quickly

like this plan to make super computers just with caterium and oil took me a minute? might take longer until you know your recipes and the tool a bit better but not much longer https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=hNRAxwy6IVlOczmOaoar

[spiral snow]

For the input lane of a manifold, are you supposed to make every belt match with the tier of the input belt? For example, a single mk2 feeds into the input, does that mean every belt going into the machines needs to be mk2? Or can it be first machine receives 30 items, then therefore there's 90 items on the lane left, so therefore still need to use mk2, second machine takes 30 off, therefore the subsequent belts can be mk1?

[outer vale]

you can reduce the speed on later belts, but it's simpler not to (and doing so can make it take longer to reach the stable state where things are backed up, particularly on the belts straight into machines)

[spiral snow]

If I want 100% throughput, do I have to use same speed belt at the end?

[vapid gorge]

as long as

1. the belt has enough throughput
2. there's enough parts per min

the manifold will work

the only real system where you need to manage things a little differently is diluted package fuel if you do it as a manifold instead of a 1:1:1 loop

[outer vale]

yeah, it'll work, as long as it's built correctly, but mixing belt tiers is an easy way to accidentally use the wrong tier somewhere along the way, hence "it's simpler not to"

[young terrace]

im wondering how this is usually handled. Currently my conveyors are mk2 so i need to stack multiple manifold lines in order to supply 282 items/min
Im guessing the solution is to break up the build into multiple smaller factories until there is no line going over 120 items/min?

[vapid gorge]

generally how it works yes

[outer vale]

or just break up the individual part

screws in particular are a good lesson in "you don't have to stuff everything on one belt"

a common way of dealing with those specifically due to their volume is to feed 'em directly from the constructor into whatever next stage

[vapid gorge]

you can also just set it up so you direct feed 1 belt of screws per machines and just move the ingots/rods

[frosty owl]

"Screw your measily early-game throughput"

[wind spade]

other option is not building a manifold

[vapid gorge]

@proper wolf post images here

it's quieter

[proper wolf]

@vapid gorge ok

[vapid gorge]

so is the coal backing up?

[proper wolf]

No not in the generators just lines before it gets to them

So one line is backing up the other isn't

[vapid gorge]

so the coal is backing up to your coal miner? as I asked you to check?
if so that means at least 1 point on your belt isn't fast enough

[proper wolf]

Everything is mark 2

[vapid gorge]

you likely have a bit of mk1 somewhere

otherwise the coal wouldn't be backing up

[proper wolf]

No checked all the lines and its all mk2

[vapid gorge]

they are often hidden within mergers and splitters

delete them and rebuild

[proper wolf]

I done that before putting the message out

[vapid gorge]

happens a lot if yo ubuild them on TOP of already existing belts

how long has the manifold been running?

[proper wolf]

Since I built the power plant

[vapid gorge]

10 minutes? 100 minutes?

[proper wolf]

3-4hours

[vapid gorge]

then either your coal generators need more than 120 coal pm or you have a throughput issue

or you're funning some of the coal elsewhere I guess?

and the throughput issue woudl be a low mk belt hidden somewhere

[proper wolf]

Ill put more overcharge on it see if that works but if not idk and if not the plants going and getting rebuilt lol

[vapid gorge]

over charge?

that's not going to do anything, it's already backing up being clogged

consider it logically, your miner is outputing 120 pm

your coal gens are apparently starving of coal and they need 120 pm

the only logical thing is somehow there is a bottle neck

possibly some of hte belts to the coal gens arent actually connected? that could also be an issue

[golden yoke]

If you produce 120 pm and you need 120 pm , then you end up stable
To fix this you have to fill it with coal manual with either mining some by hand which is not a good idea or with the little miners or just underlock your coal plants till they fill up
Remember
X pm in / Xpm out = one goes one comes which makes it stable

[wind spade]

manifolds fill on their own, no need to prefill (unless you want to speed it up)

[golden yoke]

Lol
So all my stupidity doesn't make sense

[vapid gorge]

it's not that it doesn't make sense, it's just extra work you don't need to do

as long as a manifold has

1. a fast enough belt
2. at least enough parts per min for the system

it'll eventually stabalise

[wind spade]

well it will stabilise even without those two things 🙂

just may not work at 100% capacity

[round talon]

Does the future have fixed this issue or still need this loop?

[vapid gorge]

can you please rephrase that ?

[vapid gorge]

often high flow pipes do need loops to manage back flow yes

[round talon]

Does 100% efficient run affected by it?

[vapid gorge]

Not sure what you mean by that.

[round talon]

I don't have issue with backflow on mk2 full use on my coal generator. It run great for 2 day. Now, i'm not sure anymore.

[vapid gorge]

coal generators are often very resillient to flow issues, you're unlikely to have flow issues with them even at 600 flow

in fact most first step fluid systems, like crude oil, won't need a loop if your pipes are very tidy

[outer vale]

also that guide does say

if you still have problems
if you don't have problems, you don't need the loop

it'll help in some instances, but it's not always needed

[vapid gorge]

It never hurts though so any time I have even a medium flow pipe I'll loop it

saves me from having to rebuild it in case it does need it

[round talon]

I try using this manifold but each output have valve and after each valve, will be add byproduct. Is that plan stable?

[wind spade]

remove all valves and then yes

[outer vale]

sounds like you may be mixing fresh input and byproduct which is usually a recipe for trouble

[vapid gorge]

are you doing this with bauxite?

[round talon]

Each machine need 40m/min water, with byproduct 10m/min water. Manifold mk2 to 20 machine. Each machine get 30m/min water.

[vapid gorge]

ok don't mix your by product back in with your fresh water

[round talon]

This solution not working?

[vapid gorge]

it's not a very reliable solution

[vapid gorge]

this is much more reliable https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1286300794311938099/1286343954157277307/alum_options.png?ex=699e6869&is=699d16e9&hm=f649cb7b76f571ba1174aca8c571d322d37c2e90e3624638ff2d7f8a6aeee9ba&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=860&height=1216

you have some refineries use just the waste water

working example

blue line is fresh water
red is waste water

[vapid gorge]

make sense?

[round talon]

Yeah, use byproduct to produce other product

I need to plan more, what to use it for

[vapid gorge]

make sure to keep the processes small

like in my example, process the waste water within it's own system. Don't try to link multiple systems together

it's not impossible but it's very annoying

[outer vale]

you can do the same production you were already doing, you'd just need to split the refineries into two groups

[round talon]

My byproduct was actually this. I still need to think.

[vapid gorge]

have some of the machines that need sulfuric acid run only on the waste part 🙂

[outer vale]

that divides nicely enough

[round talon]

That sound easy to me. I just do that then.

[outer vale]

15 on fresh, 5 on byproduct. Can even split the fresh into 2 smaller sets to reduce risk of flow issues

[vapid gorge]

it's very easy and VERY reliable

[regal merlin]

does anyone know how i should split up the steel going into the constructors

[outer vale]

manifold, or clock the steel ingots

[round talon]

That right, 200 are enough for 5 machine needed 40/min. Nice, thank you.

[vapid gorge]

if you're making the beams nad pipes in the same spot you can have them fed by the same belt?

[regal merlin]

🤷🏼‍♂️

I’m still new to the game

So gonna have to figure out out and learn

When I hover over it it says 2 and 1 on lik 50% efficiency

[vapid gorge]

You can have both the beams and pipes being made in the same spot if you're new?

[regal merlin]

I’m jus confused on how I’m splitting it all up to constructors

[vapid gorge]

1. ignore the efficiency meters, they are often made of lies
2. manifolds take time to spin up

[vapid gorge]

this is a manifold with 120 ore going to 4 smelters

they are evenly fed https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1456102935988539496/image.png?ex=699efec9&is=699dad49&hm=f0a1275dca378726c602fd9ac858d3bb56a85bd6b236d49310c446c9d26fe962&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=358&height=300

[regal merlin]

Idk lol I just unlocked steal so I’m still looking into things

[regal merlin]

So after I use the foundry I still need to smelt it?

[vapid gorge]

no, I was just giving you an example of how manifolds work

[regal merlin]

Oh ok 👍

Sweet imma definitely use it

[vapid gorge]

so that belt could be your steel ingots fed to constructors making beams and pipes

[regal merlin]

Ok sweet

So just one line then seems simple

Love it

[vapid gorge]

manifolds only care about 2 things

1. enough parts per min for the system
2. a fast enough belt

[regal merlin]

I only have mk2 belts that’s why when I was using that website I tried to keep it under 120

[vapid gorge]

sure, you could also make multiple systems too

though you'd need more nodes as you're still locked by your mining output by your belts

anywho, bed time, gl!

[warped tendon]

Any of you guys got some huge ass factory making way too much stuff?

I think I want to crazy produce a few items for more power storage for the hell of it. That or just some insane dumb project to do

[mint coral]

I did all of phase 4 and 5 with 10/min phas parts in one facility. I regret it.

[limpid vapor]

Idk what kind of scale you mean, and this isn't particularly crazy, but I made 1200 wire per minute just so I could build power storage faster, but later I thought I should have made double that honestly

Probably more wire than the average player produces just for personal supply

But if the goal is to build like 8000 power storage units, it's pretty tame

[ionic sapphire]

"evenly" wot

[outer vale]

or at least, they will be when there's actual items on the belt and the manifold runs its course

[warped tendon]

I think for my 1TW storage plan I’m going to setup some basic factories instead of these big plans I’ve made first. Then after I setup nuclear power so I can actually charge the damn TW I’m gonna improve them if needed

Oops wrong channel.. Even though technically it is math considering I need a million wire

[novel yarrow]

friggin sweet, thank you

[flint crystal]

@fathom garnet, I chose for Rubber in my rocket fuel plant but you can do other shit with residue

[fathom garnet]

Yeah, I know I can use it for quite a bit, but for getting the power plant running I just wanted to get it out of the way. The last time I built it, I had a whole construction line making computers from the byproducts and some exta iron and copper.

[hollow rover]

So I am trying to find out why my framework prod facility is not achieveing 100% efficiency. I thought I can do this with throughput monitors, but apparently they are innacurate

I think its a belt issue, but I just upgraded everything, without the accuracy of throughput monitors I am lost

on where/what is the problem

How do you guys deal with problems such as this?

[mint coral]

Sometimes when upgrading belts a little piece inside a splitter or merger can be missed.

You may have to look to see where a build up is and delete sections rebuilding

Conveyor monitors just gather a average over time. Like all monitors in the game. When you click a pipe its the same

[obtuse hawk]

I've personally run into an issue with how manifolds interact with mergers. Backups can happen when 2 input sides of a merger have uneven throughput. If you can find a spot where this seems to be the case, a priority merger may solve the issue

[hollow rover]

there is only one merger though, the rest are splitters. its because of the 412.5 iron ingot production. I recently got mk 4 belts and upgraded this facility so its should be efficient now, but alas it is not

so I am trying the throughput monitor to find out which part/area is the problem child

but because its innacurate, I am lost

[obtuse hawk]

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[obtuse hawk]

You should be able to tell visually. If a belt is stuttering or has unexpected gaps

[meager kettle]

thruput monitor is not that inaccurate if you let it run for like 5 mins

[hollow rover]

1st image is supposed to be 412~413. That where all the iron ingot is merged. 2nd one is supposed to be ~240, that is where iron ore was split after using it on the first four foundries

[obtuse hawk]

that color pallet looks sick btw

[meager kettle]

a higher reading could be a result of having some materials backed up inside machines which gets output, overtime, if you're actually making 412.5 it should be fluctuating between 412 and 413. The fact they showing a slightly higher number i wouldnt worry about it. keep looking forward

[hollow rover]

omg, its because I have a sink at this production chain where it sinks the excess ingots instead of having it bakcup and acts as a manifold.

I am so stupid 😅

[magic fulcrum]

im confused Every single one is clocked to 100 percent providing for 8 coal factorys i tried overclocking the middle one to 150

[mint coral]

Hard to see what's happening with these limited photos

[meager kettle]

those pumps are highly unncesseary being that close :p

[outer vale]

those pumps are useless, at least

[mint coral]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[mint coral]

Did you use any of these layouts?

[magic fulcrum]

the first one

clock speeds are 100 exepct for the middle 150

[outer vale]

what's the actual problem?

[magic fulcrum]

sorry for not giving that much information the problem is the right water generator is not producing enough water to upkeep

[outer vale]

if you've clocked one to 150%, you're overproducing if anything

which'd be why that one's backing up

get rid of the pumps, make sure the pipes are all actually connected together, then check which parts aren't getting enough water. They might just need time

[meager kettle]

did you place the pipe first then added junction on the pipe for each coal plant?

[oblique hollow]

not needed

all 100% is what you need

middle one at 150% means you make too much water as Meindratheal said

[magic fulcrum]

sorry i was afk

[magic fulcrum]

yes

[meager kettle]

delete all the pipes, keep junctions and place pipes a new

[magic fulcrum]

i just noticed my 3 water extractors are not like the layout you sent me i am just going to revamp the entire thing tbh

[meager kettle]

the game kinda f's up when you place things on pipes, it bisects pipes incorrectly, its typically better to place junctions first

[magic fulcrum]

do the pipes have to be in a downward angle?

[meager kettle]

na

[magic fulcrum]

aigh

[heady sun]

this works to turn 3 pipes into 4 right

[wind crown]

From what I learned in chat earlier about how fluids work, I think you'd rather do it at an angle than have the fluid slam against a wall before flowing out to the other pipes. Yours should be fine just may flow slightly slower.

Maybe something closer to this? I am kind of talking out of my ass here tho so take it with a grain of salt.

Actually I don't know what the best setup is, with how junctions are formed what I drew probably wouldn't be much better

[dawn quartz]

Need to get sulfur and coal via train to make turbofuel
would it be better/ more efficient to have the coal and sulfur on one train or separate?

[wind crown]

I'd definitely do one train. Just drive up to the coal after picking up sulfur

[fleet condor]

Bring em together then haul the combination?

[wind crown]

Yea, could honestly truck over the coal to the sulfur if you wanted. Then train both together from there.

Trucks are fun

[fleet condor]

Or conveyer belt high way lmao

I personally need to fix mine because I got to much fuel and to little turbo fuel and to little plastic for my mega base 😅

[wind crown]

Conveyor belt the whole way is honestly often simpler than trains or trucks isn’t it?

Idk, I never think that way because I absolutely hate conveyor highways 😅

[fleet condor]

Fair

[wooden radish]

I've done this with sulfur for batteries... I used a 3 freight car train full sulfur one way. and then i just belted the coal. there should've been a closer coal than that one to where you want to make your TF? if not, I'd suggest maybe 2-1 freight ratio of sulfur/coal coming from west to east. just make sure your trains stay lined up in the stations.... and for 2:1, figure out the nodes on which resources is better to only need one cart.. or make a massive train.

also what others said, I've basically trucked Coal in my 2 playthroughs to where i needed it

[crimson moat]

angles have no impact on flow unless they are going uphill or downhill. Without that, it's purely pipe length.

[crimson moat]

kind of, it will work if there is plenty of flow rate headroom but is inadvisable near max flow rates

because it's an uneven split/merge

[heady sun]

what about this

[crimson moat]

your first picture is less bad

[vapid gorge]

you truly truly truly want to avoid connecting up many systems like this

clock 3 systems to use 600 and then split it into the pipe sections you need

while it's technically possible it's a much bigger pain in the ass to do ththose merge splits

[heady sun]

why wouldnt it work

if i put a 375 valve on each output

[crimson moat]

Fluid flows the wrong way, then has to double back, which consumes flowrate twice to do nothing. If you run out of flow rate then stuff can't flow in the desired direction.

you can't valve the output before the point where that happens, only afterwards, which doesn't fix it

[heady sun]

wheres it flowing the wrong way?

[crimson moat]

the junction outputs, everything except the one connected to a 500 pipe.

[heady sun]

but wouldnt it stabilize to this?

[vapid gorge]

valves don't stop backflow
they also cause flow issues when pipes aren't 100% full
connecting up many systems together means you're giving fluids MANY ways to flow, and that any trouble shooting you have to do you have to check THE WHOLE damn thing, instead of individual pipes

[crimson moat]

If there is enough flow rate headroom, yes. If not, no.

I'm not sure that you can make a stable setup with three 500 inputs and four 375 outputs like that.

Regardless, it's much easier to change the input or output side so that the values match, and you don't need funky uneven splits/merges which are less efficient at using flow rate.

[vapid gorge]

so again - it is possible to do something like this, but it's a much bigger pain in the ass and delicate
Also use powered pumps, not valves if yo'ure going to do this

[heady sun]

so pumps on the Xs?

[vapid gorge]

if you're going to do this, yes.
but again, you shouldn't. You'll have a much much easier time having 3 sections process each individual pipe and just clock THOSE outputs to put what you need into 4 groups

[vapid gorge]

it'll make your life much easier and essentially take up the same space and logistics.

there's no benefit to merge splitting here

and only downsides in design

[heady sun]

wdym 3 sections process each individual pipe

[vapid gorge]

well you're feeding 4 pipes to 4 systems right?

375 each?

[heady sun]

yea

[vapid gorge]

ok do 3 systems instead and just clock THOSE outputs into 3 groups

no need to merge split and link all the systems together

[heady sun]

ok ok i see

ty

[vapid gorge]

sorry, to edit my previous message clock those 3 groups into 4 groups - as it seems like you want 4 groups of outputs after the next step

[heady sun]

it would be easier in this case to turn the 4 generator fields into 3, but same idea

[little rapids]

pipes don't always split evenly like conveyors do, the liquid will prioritize flow in the direction with the least resistance. i always overfill my pipes because i can't be bothered to deal with the liquid physics (sloshing)

[ionic sapphire]

how is resistance calculated

just pipe length until consumer ?

[vapid gorge]

liquids just flow to the most empty side

[little rapids]

i'm honestly not sure what the math behind it is but i assume it's just meant to follow the typical laws of earth gravity

[vapid gorge]

but at junctions that means the pipes ahead can flow backwards

[little rapids]

yes

[vapid gorge]

flow backwards much more easily than other places

[little rapids]

i've tried to do the thing where you stop sloshing by putting a fluid container at the beginning of the system but i've never had any luck with it

[vapid gorge]

a buffer? that generally makes it worse or does nothing

[little rapids]

yeah i saw somebody on reddit talking about it but idk what they were trying to set up

[vapid gorge]

a LOT of bad pipe advice on reddit. Also just straight up superstitions

[little rapids]

true

i deal with the math in this game until it annoys me and then i just say fuck it and overfill my pipes or conveyors 😭

i love manifolds so much.....

[vapid gorge]

there's a few basic rules to pipes , if you keep it simple and lower flow it'll just work

[little rapids]

yup

i just keep all my pipes on the same level as their machines when possible

don't have to deal with gravity really

switching from liquid fuel to gas fuel was so nice

[vapid gorge]

that's just headlift. Pump and it becomes a non issue.
You want to avoid fluid buffers with liquids
but you really want to avoid fluid buffers with gassesw

[wind spade]

@unique venture @vapid nest re: #screenshots:

• don't ask in a channel where we can't answer
• pick any recipe that is useful to you, there's no wrong choice
• you can get all recipes anyway
• longer answer: https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812/1127628303696670851

[vapid nest]

I posted it there because I always posted Alternative recipe joices there as you can react with numbers 1-4. You will get all recipes eventually, but as you said, some are more useful than others and that's what I don't know.

[wind spade]

that's as good as rolling a dice. Recipes do different things in different situations, and people have different preferences

and "popular" recipe doesn't necessarily mean "good" recipe (for your case)

(many "popular" recipes are imo a trap)

[vapid nest]

I understand that

[wind spade]

usefulness of a recipe is only defined by your preferences, which we cannot know and cannot ask for (since you posted in a channel where we can't write)

[vapid nest]

Maybe because I just wanted the short answer I posted it there?

But yea no I get your point

[wind spade]

tbh if you're gonna just pick whatever gets a vote, you can flip a coin instead 😛

[vapid nest]

A coin has no bias. People do.

Same for experience

[wind spade]

but you also have no way to verify if the bias is justified 🙂

[vapid nest]

That's a risk I am willing to take

[wind spade]

as I said, many people have weird preferences, e.g. because they didn't yet get to a stage where they understand what the other recipe can do, or they just blindly follow alt recipe tier lists (which are basically lists of opinionated numbers anyway, so not recommended to follow anyway)

the beauty of alt recipes that every person can get those recipes that do what they themselves want, if you just pick what people vote for, you lose this opportunity

[vapid nest]

I was under the impression that alts choices are random, I had Situations in the past where I could have picked a different recipe that would have been a "better" choice at the time, I'd also want to avoid hunting for a specific one.

But I will take it to heart, not post these here again

[wind spade]

the choices are picked from a pool of recipes that you can get
that pool depends on which schematics (milestones, MAM, etc.) you have unlocked

[wind spade]

if you really want to get player input, I'd recommend "what are the places where you used [recipe], and what other recipes you used in that place, and why?"

gives you actual information over just 1️⃣ or 2️⃣

in the end, recipes do different things when paired with other recipes anyway, so it's usually not "this recipe is better", but "this chain of recipes does things I want it to do"

(there's also the option of just getting all the recipes and not worry about which one to pick 😛 )

[vapid nest]

Alright I will take this to heart. A lot as changed since Update 5

[meager kettle]

theres a few where people generally consider them "better" just cause it adds very little to the chain for a larger effect. like pure copper, add a little sippy and you now have 2.5x the ingots. Or solid steel where you just smelt the iron first and get 50% more steel.

[vapid nest]

Well funnily enough I chose the alloys since it reduces needed Iron and Copper resources for a bigger build xD

[wind spade]

well, assuming that the "people" want to save on resources and are fine with using refineries

[vapid nest]

Honestly when in doubt you can use the calculator and see if alts change anything

[wind spade]

yeah that's probably best way to check what alt does and if it suits your cases

put it into some calculator and see what it can give you

[vapid nest]

Can I ask a different question about the calculator?

[wind spade]

for sure (though I may not be able to answer, depending on which calculator are you talking about)

[vapid nest]

Yours, satisfactorytools

[wind spade]

yeah, ask ahead

[vapid nest]

For my diluted Packaged fuel setup it originally took empty canisters from somewhere, so to implement these into production I set the output to as many as I need. Thing is, now I have empty canisters that I have to sink, so potentially power loss and backing up of HOR. Had to recently install buffers and make a whole overflow System with residual fuel

[wind spade]

diluted packaged fuel doesn't need canisters, they loop in the setup

you just need to hand-feed it a few

[meager kettle]

diluted packages fuel can use a closed system for the canisters, add the minimum amount, then see how many are used. you gonna need to add a few extra depending on your belt length and the travel time, but not usually a lot more.

[wind spade]

my recommendation would be a blueprint with 1 of each machine on a closed loop, with e.g. ~20 canisters added. Then you just hook input and output to it and it works just fine

[vapid nest]

Ah fuck

I completely forgot about that

[wind spade]

(since the machines fit nicely into 1:1:1 ratio, assuming same clock speed)

[vapid nest]

💀

[halcyon remnant]

If i have 2550 crude oil a min and turn it into turbo fuel how many fuel gens would i need?

[meager kettle]

depends which recipes you use

[halcyon remnant]

normal turbo fuel recipe

[meager kettle]

and which leading up to that?

[halcyon remnant]

normal crude oil intopolymer resin and fuel recipe

wilth the alt diluted fuel recipe i could turn my 350 heavy orl residue a min into 700 extra fuel a min

[meager kettle]

k so, you take 2550 crude divide by 60, since that recipe uses 60 crude = 42.5 refineries, which then make 42.5x40 = 1700 fuel, turbo fuel is 22.5 fuel into 18.75 turbo, so do same math, 1700/22.5 = 75.555... refineries making x18.75 = 1416.6666... turbo fuel. each gen burns 7.5 turbo fuel makign 250mw, so divide by 7.5 times 250 = 47.222.2222mw

[halcyon remnant]

just realised i could have used satisfactory calculator 😭

[halcyon remnant]

tysm

[wind spade]

you could have used Tools instead

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7qHJFBKM3A5ENx42iH3y

[spiral snow]

Will overclocking or underlocking 33% or 66% etc. cause any issue? In regards to throughput, compared to 50% or 150% etc.

[wind spade]

not if you need exactly 33 or 66%

[tacit carbon]

It could lead to minimal drag depending on the ratio how much per minute gets produced but that’s in the milliseconds

[spiral snow]

That's my concern, because of I'm tired of finding lowest common denominator between recipies, but some recipes needs to overclock precisely 33.33333333% etc. it's not gonna be a huge problem, right?

[wind spade]

clock to 33.3334% and the machine will stop once in a few days for a second or whatever

[elfin wyvern]

assuming that everything perfectly in the first place

[tacit carbon]

Nope, but if you change the item per minute instead of the percentage you get closer to the needed ratio in my experience

[spiral snow]

You can do that?

[tacit carbon]

Yep

Just click on it

[frosty owl]

If a machine makes 15/min and you set it to make 10/min, that's exactly the same as clocking it to 66.6667%
The only difference is in the value saved in the gamefile, but that doesn't affect the precision of the calculations performed by the game

[tacit carbon]

Ah okay, nice to know

Then it really is just easier

[wind spade]

not really, since if it would result in 33.333333....%, it will instead clock down to 33.3333%, possibly making you make very slightly less. Better to always input it manually and control the rounding properly

(for machines you always want to round up, for gens you always want to round down)

[tacit carbon]

Wait what, I think it goes to .3334 no?

I’m prob wrong tho

[wind spade]

if it's 33.33333... then no

[frosty owl]

That's not how rounding works

[frosty owl]

0.55555 =~ 0.5556
0.55554 =~ 0.5555

[tacit carbon]

Ah yeah I know that, but I thought it automatically rounds up
But that’s maybe my memory

[frosty owl]

No, it uses normal rounding rules

[tacit carbon]

Aight, now I know🫡

[frosty owl]

Though, if you really do care about such inprecision, it's always best to just use the clock and not let the game "imply" steps for you