math-and-meta

[nova vortex]

so should i js do nuclear or place down 380 fuel gens?

[wind spade]

as always, the choice is yours 😉

[nova vortex]

iv heard nuclear is a pain bc of the waiste

[wind spade]

you can just store the waste

later on you can process it further

[nova vortex]

ok ill js do nuclear

[dusky dust]

Heh, do whatever you like! If you want to build out Rocket Fuel, build out Rocket Fuel. It's fine! It's a great fuel source. It's a simpler production line than Nuclear (although not much more simple than the initial Uranium steps for nuclear), with the main downside being Endless Fuel Gen Spam

But as I say, you can mitigate that somewhat with overclocking + blueprints

This is the danger of asking for advice about this game; you're gonna come up with like a dozen conflicting opinions. Just do whatever feels like the most fun for you! If that's RF, then great! :)

[nova vortex]

yeah i supose

[tame pawn]

u were right about y my coal fac was not working

betls were to slow

[dusky dust]

If you do go for nuclear, fwiw, you've got four options:

1. Make Uranium Rods > Burn Them > Store the Uranium Waste forever
2. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert the U Waste to Plutonium Rods > Sink the Pu Rods (for a "clean" nuclear option)
3. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert U Waste to Pu Rods > Burn Them > Store the Plutonium Waste forever
4. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert U Waste to Pu Rods > Burn Them > Convert Pu Waste to Ficsonium Rods > Burn Them (for another "clean" option; Ficsonium produces no waste)

Once you get past Uranium Fuel Rods, the only other product which is sinkable is Plutonium Fuel Rods. Plutonium waste accumulates much more slowly than Uranium waste, so folks storing waste often prefer that. Ficsonium itself is quite resource-expensive (particularly SAM) and doesn't produce much extra power. But if you want the extra power from Plutonium and still want "clean" nuclear, that's the option. :)

And as I said above, you can always build out Rocket Fuel now and then build out nuclear later

Building one doesn't mean you can't build the other

[nova vortex]

the 380 fuel gens were gonna be regular fuel

[dusky dust]

Ohhh, didn't notice that

[nova vortex]

yeahh

[dusky dust]

Was that 380 without overclocking, btw?

Could get it down to 152 if you're willing to spend ~450 shards on 'em

[nova vortex]

goood lord

[dusky dust]

(which can be included right inside a blueprint, btw)

[nova vortex]

i was thing of overclocking the 95 refineries

[dusky dust]

Anyway: if you're just at Phase 3, and building out Fuel power, then doing Fuel Gens is sort of your only choice regardless, so feel free to build that out to whatever scale you can stand. :D

Nuclear and Rocket Fuel are the primary "endgame" power choices available to you starting in Phase 4; that's the point at which most folks may end up choosing one or the other

[nova vortex]

ohhh ok

[dusky dust]

Though if you're willing to build out 380 Fuel Gens right in Phase 3, honestly that is almost certainly going to carry you throughout the rest of your playthrough anyway, unless your production factories are as "big" as you're considering here. :)

95GW's nothing to sneeze at. :)

For myself I would probably not build out Phase 3 fuel gens to quite that extent; most people save their Endless Fuel Gen Spam for when they get to Rocket Fuel

But if you're going to enjoy the process then that amount of power will carry you quite far!

[nova vortex]

i like to be done with power for quite a while

so it looks like ill be placing 380 fuel gens

[dusky dust]

(Or 152, if you spend some time juicin' slugs!)

[nova vortex]

yeah

[dusky dust]

(Remember to sloop your slug-juicers!)

[nova vortex]

but then its js like WOW when you show ppl your 380 fuel gens

[wind spade]

it's either WOW or "why on earth"

[hushed silo]

im gonna go with why on earth gang

if it was rocket fuel with looped back Ccoal then sure respect

[wind spade]

if it was that, then "why not nuclear"

[nova vortex]

or the good ol " are you mentally ok?"

How would i do 6.33333

[dusky dust]

What's the full context for that? Though the answer is generally: underclocking (or overclocking)

[nova vortex]

i did 95 divided by 15 and i got that for my refineries

[hushed silo]

or find a good ratio that evens out with x machines used compared to belt/pipe throughput

[wind spade]

short answer: clock to 33.3333% or 33.3334%
long answer: you can't do exactly that much because clock speed is limited to 4 decimals. But both .3333 and .3334 would probably be "close enough" for most people

[nova vortex]

ah ok ty

[dusky dust]

So yeah, I'm not sure what recipe you're looking at exactly, but like if you need 95/min of something and your recipe produces 15/min, then yeah, the math works out to 6.3333 refineries. You could do six clocked to 100% and a seventh to 33.3333/33.3334, as greeny mentioned

Or five at 100% and the sixth at 133.3334%, if you wanted to overclock one instead

[nova vortex]

ah ok

im doing the alt recipe for heavy oil residue

[dusky dust]

Depending on the circumstance there's often a "nice" way to clock a set of 'em so that they're all basically the same, without repeating decimals, but stuff like thirds will often mean you've technically gotta round at the fourth-decimal spot somewhere

[nova vortex]

this whole project is full of horrible decimabls

[sharp palm]

thank u so much

im on ps5 lol

[queen umbra]

How many computer per minute should I make and which alt recipe would be the best

[dusky dust]

Up to you, and depends on what recipes you have plus what nodes are nearby plus how you're feeling at planning/building time

[queen umbra]

I can have any I want tbh

I mean I don't want to have multiple computer factory I want it to be set up all in one place and then I send it to radio control unit ect

[dusky dust]

I mean, you are almost certainly going to eventually have to build more computers anyway, unless you literally plan out the rest of the game's production lines in total

And if you produce computers on multiple locations, then you can end up trying out multiple recipe chains for them, based on what's nearby

[queen umbra]

The real question here is do I make crystal computer or SAM is too rare for that

[dusky dust]

But regardless: there is no best. Just make some choices based on what's nearby and go for it

Alt recipes just give you options; there's really no "better" or "worse" unless you're also constraining the question with stuff like "I want to use as little Caterium as possible," etc.

[hushed silo]

imo crystal or normal and 5-20/m

[queen umbra]

Thanks

[robust glen]

Guys, I’ve just finished Space Elevator Phase 3 and I want to know if it’s worth mapping all resource nodes on the map, centralizing my base, and doing a major reorganization of my production lines. everything is very spread out and it’s turned into a mess

[oblique hollow]

centralization is generally not advised: it performs much worse

in a literal sense. it makes the game run worse

further, using the space on the outskirts for some processing / production is just being efficient with space.

[queen umbra]

Do I need a lot of aluminium casing

Or more alclad aluminium sheet?

[hushed silo]

alu casings are used for more items and in bigger quantities

alclad sheet is for belts and with some alts can be avoided, but not entirely

altho early on u can still get 200/m both quite easly

[opaque cedar]

hello, i am new, i have 8 coal plants and a mk1 miner bringing in 120 coal. in theory i should have enough but they consume coal slightly faster than i can supply . mk2 conveyors bring the coal and i split it in 2 repeatedly until i (hope) have a balanced load. does it matter if the length of the splits are uneven (this is what i suspect the problem is)

[vapid gorge]

it takes time for a belt manifold, what you're using, to spin up to 100%

[opaque cedar]

no, not manifold, simple split into 2 then 4 then 8

[vapid gorge]

oh sorry, morning brain, you have done some math wrong then

or have a mk1 belt somewhere
or clocked the miner wrong

[opaque cedar]

hmm, i have 3 water extractors at 100, producing 360 water, but the max pipe capacity is 300. could that be a problem? the pipe is common between the plants but i always haver full water in them when they shutdown

[opaque cedar]

hah, i had mk1 belt somwhere, just rechecked 😄 thanks

[vapid gorge]

just gotta work backwards through the possible issues 🙂

[half frigate]

Im gonna wait a bit more on it, but if i need almost 1000 concrete per minute, should I stay with 1 freight station or go with 2, im using refineries for wet concrete (i also need to setup a station for iron)

[hushed silo]

@vapid gorge im learning new words 🙂🤓

[vapid gorge]

could try this method? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3ZM4Zzhqs

[hushed silo]

gonna check it tmrw

[queen umbra]

Damn for real??

[unreal venture]

beautiful

[queen umbra]

Damn how

[unreal venture]

a whole lot of uranium

then a whole lot of plutonium

guess what then

@queen umbra

[queen umbra]

Ha whole lot of fiscionium?

[unreal venture]

nuh uh

a whole lot of overclocked alien power matrix'

10 to be exact

[queen umbra]

You ain't crazy enough for fiscionium?

[unreal venture]

bro

ficsonium

hell nahhh

[dusky dust]

Eh, at that scale Ficsonium wouldn't be awful

I built up about .5TW of nuclear on my 1.0 save which included Ficsonium processing; still had plenty of SAM headroom left without slooping any RSAM

[unreal venture]

idk i looked a bit into ficsonium and it didnt look at favorable

[dusky dust]

(Not trying to convince anyone to do Ficsonium who doesn't want to, of course -- I'm aware it's very niche. :)

[dusky dust]

Yeah, it really requires that you want to 1) Burn Plutonium, and 2) Still have "clean" nuclear

If you've got any wiggle room at all on either of those two, it doesn't really make sense

[vapid gorge]

yeah ficsonium isn't really meant as a power source

[dusky dust]

It's sort of the "well, this is your only option" option. :D

[unreal venture]

how much stuff would i need to make like 21,4 plutonium fuel rods into ficsonium

[vapid gorge]

I believe more SAM than exists on the map

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I think that exceeds SAM

[unreal venture]

that

[dusky dust]

I don't remember the exact threshhold. Can get a lot more by slooping the RSAM steps, of course

[unreal venture]

and i already used 85% for my 50 alien power matrix/min

[vapid gorge]

yup.

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, if you're feeding APAs you've already decided where the SAM's going. :D

[vapid gorge]

Just don't burn the plutonium. Use them in drones or something

[dusky dust]

Or just let the waste pile up. You can always just slap more ISC grids down later if you need to. :D

[unreal venture]

im bruning

every

single

rod

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, I can never bring myself to sink Plutonium

If I went to the trouble of making the rods, they're gettin' burnt, darnit.

[unreal venture]

u bet

and 1 chernobyl train is sending it to this little waste island

[dusky dust]

Besides, then you've got a little corner of the map where you can go to get a nice "sun"tan. :D

[hollow surge]

how much turbofuel does a fuel-powered generator at 100% use per minute

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch fuel powered generator

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+powered+generator

[hollow surge]

is it the "7.5 m3/min"?

just confirming

[vapid gorge]

whatever it says in the chart on the page

[dusky dust]

7.5/min certainly sounds right. :D

[hollow surge]

oh boy

time for 60 fuel powered generators

[dusky dust]

Remember that generators can be overclocked quite easily! Can bring that number all the way down to 24. :)

[hollow surge]

good point, should probably do that

[dusky dust]

I expect fuel gens are one of the more commonly-overclocked non-miner/extractor buildings in the game

[hollow surge]

trying to decide if it's worth overclocking and/or somerslooping the turbofuel refineries

[dusky dust]

(Also in a 5x5 blueprinter you can fit 4 fuel gens (including their powershards + clock settings!) if you don't mind really tight piping, or 2 fuel gens if you want some more room for the pipes. Blueprint auto-connect can help get them all hooked up, now, too!)

[quaint condor]

Also to note, that when overclocked, say to 250% (common), they each will then consume 18.75 /min

[vapid gorge]

eh, don't bother duping things, power is easy

[quaint condor]

Wouldn't duping pretty much make the generation almost moot? as in Net gain would be garbage?

Do to the extra power needed from slooping

[dusky dust]

Eh, wouldn't be that bad, though yeah, it'd technically cut into the net power

The main thing it'd cost you is the opportunity cost of being able to use the sloops elsewhere instead

[vapid gorge]

nah, you'd still get a power output bonus

[quaint condor]

Fair. I have only ever considered using them for SE items slugs, and biomass early on 🤷‍♂️

[quaint condor]

fair

[vapid gorge]

I can't imagine 1 refinery outputs so little fuel that doubling the output of power can't overcome 4x a machine cost

I haven't done the math or anything but just from the vague numbers floating in my brain I would be utterly shocked if you didn't get significantly more power

[hushed silo]

idk how bout u but it puzzles me that ppl say quirkwire is as annoying as screws

[vapid gorge]

it's weird that people say screws are annoying tbh

[hushed silo]

but why quirkwire

i almost never use it

[vapid gorge]

high throughput items and people can't manage them very well

You can avoid QW with a lot of recipes.

I think ai limiters is the only place you HAVE to use them?

[hushed silo]

high speed connectocor too

[vapid gorge]

you can cut out HSCs from your production world though iirc

if you're aiming to make final stages items I think limiters are the only must have QW items

otherwise you can almost cut out caterium from yoru world entirely

[hushed silo]

yea which is weird to me that sometimes i hear oh quirkwire is as bad as screws or smth

[vapid gorge]

yeah, people are just bad at managing high throughput items. And that becomes a bit of a mental block and stops them from trying to find solutions

I think it's called a 'thought stopper' or something. Something that short circuits thinking with an easy explanation

[hushed silo]

also true
but my main point is, if u dont like it why use it

like ooooh computer from golden shiny metal

[vapid gorge]

I mean computers from only caterium and oil is pretty convenient 😄

[hushed silo]

and bam Xk of quirkwire needed

[vapid gorge]

and you can still use the thing you dont' like and don't want to think of better ways of managing it

they just accept it as 'bad' so they don't have to think of a solution

it's not that they can't manage it better, it's just 'bad' so there's nothing to do

You see a lot of that sort of 'thought stopping' in politics as well, but it happens everywhere

basically what propaganda is

[hushed silo]

quirkwire propaganda

[vapid gorge]

basically. Easier to blame something else than work on the problem

[steep hound]

The throughput logistics do make those items awkward to scale, but that’s part of the fun for me I like solving those kinds of challenges

[dusky dust]

To be fair, the quantity of people complaining about screws, as far as I've seen anyway, far outweighs the amount of people complaining about quickwire. :D

I don't think I've actually seen too many folks complain about quickwire in here. :P

[hushed silo]

it is rare

[vapid gorge]

yeah it's mostly that you have to approach it differently.

It probably helps to think of it like cooking.

You have to cook different food items differently right? some boiling some foods makes them awful but is great for other things.

doesn't mean having to approach it different make sthem 'bad'

for example making smaller production groups or making the wire right before it's consumed is an easy solution

it's, however, slightly different from 'normal' ways of things and a lot of people don't like that

[steep hound]

that’s a solid way to put it 🫡

[vapid gorge]

humans in general don't like it when things don't fit into the boxes that are already in their brains unfortunately.

so they get through most of the tiers w/o doing things that way, suddenly 'new thing bad'

[dusky dust]

I BOIL LITERALLY ALL MY FOOD AND I LIKE IT JUST FINE OKAY JEEZE.

"Boiled Oreos for dessert today, kids!"

[hushed silo]

sati but no alts u like

[steep hound]

Yeah, people’s brains are tuned to stick with old patterns.

[vapid gorge]

yup! and it takes work for people to undo that habit.

easier for some than others like most thigns ofc

[steep hound]

but the brain can be rewired over time to think in new ways, or doing things you dont like.

[vapid gorge]

complete the whole game with nothing but pig meat and sam ore

[dusky dust]

And ironically the best thing to reprogram those old patterns is a stick! 💥

[steep hound]

🤣

[hushed silo]

i mean it would take mad time and neat conversion set up but lets gooooo

[vapid gorge]

not as awful as you think if you sloop the bio mass and bio coal

you can run a lot of nuclear generators off just a couple pigs per min

and SAM ore

[hushed silo]

nuclear hog reactor

[quaint condor]

If you build it, they will come! 😏

[vapid gorge]

It's been done by someone at least once xD when I mentioned it sometime last year

[quaint condor]

Lol, fair

[vapid gorge]

the uranium rod thing anyway, not a whole start to end phase 5 factory

[hushed silo]

the design sounds fun ngl

could u loop infinately things with matter conversion and somerslop?

[dusky dust]

Running out of SAM provides the limits there

But yeah, the cycles are additive; you'll get more material each time through either of the "bottom" or "top" loops

(I think there's a "shortcut" through the "bottom" loop which loses you material slowly, but you run out of SAM much faster than material)

(using "top" and "bottom" based on the wiki diagram for the conversions. more-basic materials on the top, more advanced ones on the bottom)

(ooh, I see the wiki diagram's actually been updated since last I looked at it!)

[vapid gorge]

Hmm im trying to use Tools to make a rough idea of a phase 5 factory off just sam and (bio) coal, but it's not using the conversion recipes to use the missing ores

I'm an idiot, I turned off water

ok 1 bio chemical scultor just from (bio) coal and SAM https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=FOlEX5jCGUhtuzxAosSf

It doesn't work for warp drives for some reason

[vapid gorge]

can you think of what I'm doing wrong here ? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VLcxxm1zfw3fwM7vLWQE

[steep hound]

Crazy

[dusky dust]

Huh, odd. Enabling Oil makes it work, though it shouldn't have to...

Oh, right, Converter can't get you to Oil

Must be something which requires Oil in there? Been too long...

Oh, yeah, Modular Engine. Hard Rubber dependency

[vapid gorge]

waiatt whhaat? you can't get oil from converter??

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[dusky dust]

Yeah, alas

[vapid gorge]

wild

Not that I've ever used the conversion recipes myself xD just surprised

I guess because it's not 1 element?

[dusky dust]

CSS needs to add a Mob Compressor building to compress remains into oil. Literally unplayable otherwise

I suppose that could just be another Converter recipe

100 Alien Protein for 1 m³ of oil seems generous

[dusky dust]

I suppose in the interests of allowing the machine to remain active at 100% efficiency, we'd have to reduce that Protein count to 50, yeah?

[vapid gorge]

ah is that what it stacks to ?

ssounds like an ok mod if you're really into conversion xD

[half frigate]

i wanna build a big main drone port, i only need like 4 drones but i wanna go with a lot more like 10 or 12 and have the excess drones be on standby, can i supply 10 or 12 drones with packaged ionized fuel effectively? or will i need 2 or 3 drone ports for fuel. (the fuel is being packaged on site at my fuel gen base as i'll have about 2400^3m of spare ionized fuel. some of it will also be going to trains, just commenting this as i wanna know if this is efficient or effective at all to do.

[dusky dust]

Stacks to 100, but I think there needs to be the full amount already in the input buffer for the next cycle to start, yeah?

[vapid gorge]

1 belt would do it being delivered by 1 drone

[half frigate]

thanks

i'll eventually tear down all my drone ports i have and re place them down with better identifying names so my list of ports never gets confusing, gotta come up with a cool name for the big port though

[vapid gorge]

Aero-Drone

[half frigate]

make it use biomass so it's not a constant "shit i gotta kill more enemies, oil production is low" all the time

[vapid gorge]

instead of Aerodrome

[half frigate]

hrmm, i want the name to include a themed name on ionized fuel

[vapid gorge]

Drionised 😛 ?

[half frigate]

could work

good pitch

i also need to setup a drone port for plastic again, i already have 5 cars on my train, i don't imagine 6 would be a good idea

last plastic port i had was sufficient so i may go with that again, but to choose a spot, hmmmm

[half frigate]

plastic drone setup

[fickle skiff]

hi! im new and gonna start a coal plant, does anyone have a chart or a set up? :0

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[vapid gorge]

these are convenient layouts for beginners and experts alike

[fickle skiff]

yippe thank you!

[vapid gorge]

biggest bit of advice though is find a water source with 3-4 coal nodes right next to it, build power there

and over clock the miners to get more coal 🙂

[fickle skiff]

will do!

[half frigate]

If you wanna build en mass build near sulfur as well and make compact coal, theres an area in the far north west of the dune desert with 4-5 coal nodes 1 pure 1 or 2 normal rest impure, there's a normal or pure sulfur node near that location as well. Compact coal has a higher energy value so it takes longer to burn in a coal plant.

You can power more coal plants from compact coal than standard coal

[vapid gorge]

compacted coal really doesn't do anything for coal plants

You effectively just convert sulfur to more coal in terms of power production , except you spend more power to make the compacted coal.

just find more coal

[half frigate]

I still recommend the far north east of the dune desert

Side note, petroleum coke, i cant imagine that lasts long in a coal plant lol

[stoic hill]

I sent a picture of my WIP super computer mass production factory. I was wondering what y’all think so far? It’s in screenshots.

I did the math for it all to make sure nothing was going to waste

Idk if this was the right channel to ask

[frosty owl]

Note: #math-and-meta, #design-and-architecture and #1038092680493801533 allow images in chat 😉

[frosty owl]

If you're looking for math help, it is

[stoic hill]

Oh okay got it thanks👍

Did you want me to send it on here?

[frosty owl]

🤷‍♂️ up to you, I'm just letting you know you can

[stoic hill]

👍

I don’t really have any questions about the math. Just wondering what some of yall thought.

[vapid gorge]

very straight forward layout. Though you tend to get easier high flow in pipes if you put machines on both sides of hte manifold, using the same junction.

[stoic hill]

@vapid gorge Can you explain what you mean by that?

You mean if I go on both sides it’ll be easier to make sure the get the same amount?

[vapid gorge]

pipes can suffer from back flow

having shorter pipes with fewer junctions helps reduce it

[stoic hill]

Oh I see

Would pumps help keep that from happening?

[vapid gorge]

you can feed them loops like this though https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1456108589847412788/image.png?ex=696307cd&is=6961b64d&hm=5445194278bb6f7ad1ba70fe700ba6baedc293b66eacfcdc889094927b4abce2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=449&height=350

and this works in most circumstances. I've seen manifolds that were more than 20 machiens on one side have issues still though

[stoic hill]

Alright thanks. I haven’t notice any problems with them yet, but I’ll try to pay attention to them to make sure, and I’ll definitely try this method.

[vapid gorge]

you won't really notice any issues until the whole thing is up and running 🙂

[stoic hill]

It was up and running for a while until the storages filled. Maybe I’m not sure what I’m looking for

[vapid gorge]

see how it goes 🙂 you don't always have ot have loops, but it's a common solution to back flow issuse

[stoic hill]

K. I’ll try to figure out where I can put them and make it look nice. I don’t know how people make those crazy designs. I enjoy the straight forward look.

Thanks for the help🙏

[formal lynx]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[queen umbra]

Massive

[tame pawn]

how do i pslit 168 and 131 into them ?

[wind spade]

You can also never merge them

[tame pawn]

huh

[wind spade]

Make group of smelters making 131.25, and another group making 168.75

[tame pawn]

so not this

merger into spliter into 5 and 5

[wind spade]

you can also just manifold, yeah

[tame pawn]

can i mana fold the 168 and the 131

[wind spade]

you can manifold anything (assuming you have fast enough belt)

[tame pawn]

ok got it

[tame pawn]

if i manan fold 150 instead of 168 is it that big of a diff in proformance?

[wind spade]

well it's 150/168

so 89.3% production

[tame pawn]

ok so the 10 smetlers have to get split inot the construcs what if i overclcok/underclock each side 1 side makes 168 1 makes 131

that sounds eaiser to me

i got alot of shards

[wind spade]

that's what I said above - make two groups of smelters

[tame pawn]

ahhh ok

[wind spade]

can even underclock both if you don't want to use shards

[tame pawn]

na i got sshards to uise

[tame pawn]

@wind spade 12.5 mod fram

hopefully

[queen umbra]

I got a pipe sending crude oil from a miner in a computer factory if I put a pipe splitter on it can I send some to another factory will it send 50/50 I don't want to send 50/50

[lone jewel]

junctions don't split like that

[queen umbra]

Huh how do they work?

[lone jewel]

they "just work"

there's no control over how much goes down each pipe

which is why it's important to "flood" the pipes before fully turning up any factory

[queen umbra]

So I'm lucking since the beginning because I always assumed if work kinda like a splitter

[lone jewel]

well, like belts, so long as the math is done right, it will generally work out over a few hours, unless you are trying to hit the max flow rate, then other considerations need to be taken

[queen umbra]

Could I just overclock the oil extractor so it's over the consomption so all pipe always full?

[agile junco]

Behold 8820 Quickwire/min

Been waiting for this all week.

[wind spade]

No, as pipes are bidirectional

[queen umbra]

So what should I do

[queen umbra]

That?

[wind spade]

Well, pipes can be full even if you produce the same amount as you consume

[wind spade]

Use "pipe manifolds", because you can't really do anything else

[queen umbra]

Ok I thought there would be a alternative cause it's going to clip and take a lot of space

[agile bobcat]

so ive got 4 layers of plants running this setup - its one 600 pipe of rocket fuel, all the rocket fuel blenders are working and yet I've got some gennys turning off

And I did leave it until it all filled

[wind spade]

wdym?

[queen umbra]

I have a Factory using oil and I'm going to manifold right in the factory

[queen umbra]

Do you have pump

[agile bobcat]

I've just added some

but rocket fuel is a gas, so I'm confused as to why that would matter

[queen umbra]

You're right

[agile junco]

This is making me a little mad.

Is there a mod that shows average power usage/production?

13.5GW of water extractors, excuse me!?

[tame pawn]

tell me theres a from of flight or hover elvavavtions anytinghg

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[wind spade]

ok I will tell you

[agile bobcat]

any answers to this?

[wind spade]

most likely you need to loop your pipe manifolds

[agile bobcat]

ahhh

I need a fluid buffer at the top don't I

[wind spade]

no

never use fluid buffers

[agile bobcat]

ah

aight, I'll loop it then

[frail hare]

Just unlocked compressed coal. is it worth it? Does it make machines produce more or just not get used as quick?

[mint coral]

Depends on what your needs are compared to the your technoplogy level. If ytou need a ridulous amount of power and you are not at fuel yet. its a good option. Its good if you have aadundance of sulfer and you want a lot of steel.

most recipies are good in context of a situation or goal

that all being said ive never used compacted coal as a early step until now and this is my seventh play through. Ivve used the bi product of compacted coal a lot

[frail hare]

Ty for the quick reply. ATM i don't need it, i also can't produce enough for my power needs, i've not got fuel yet ive just completed phase 2 and starting on Phase 3

[mint coral]

do you have a coal generator setup already? if so its pretty easy to just expand a basic setup as you get access to mark two belts and Overclocking

im still on coal as i work out the math for fuel.

I currently have 32 coal generators working off 4 normal quality coal nodes

[frail hare]

I've got mk3 belts, and i've got coal generators set up, 8 in total

[mint coral]

time to expand you coal power factory ^_^

[frail hare]

Obivously i'm not gonna have ALL the machines active at one time but i do worry since im 130mw short

[frail hare]

Cry

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-16981521557781374915

[mint coral]

..... at the end of my last playthrough i had a terrawatt of power.....

[frail hare]

That sounds spicy....

[frail hare]

12 coal generators, 900mw so thats something i guess

[mint coral]

yup 300 for evey bank of four generators

[tame pawn]

is this the best way i can split a merger into 7

[mint coral]

generally i use the manifold method.

but if you need a balancer 1 to a splitter. Then that spitter splits 3 times into 3 more splittersthis giuves you 9 lines. you use seven for your machines then merrge the remaining 2 line back to the start of the belts system before the first split

[tame pawn]

can u explain in pictures

[mint coral]

sure

[tame pawn]

thxxx

[mint coral]

give me a miute to draw

[tame pawn]

alg

[heady condor]

like this?

everything gets 1/9 then

7* lmao

[tame pawn]

ight ill let u know how it gose

[frail hare]

Never even crossed my mine to merg stuff back on it's self.

I just normally leave those lines blank

[mint coral]

it matters if you need a specific number of materials only. I mustly dont use balancers as things just overflow naturally

with belts anyways

[tame pawn]

yh i got lost

[mint coral]

are you aware of the manifold method

[tame pawn]

yh

this what i got so far

but on the right spliterr

[mint coral]

what are ytou rtrying to make

[tame pawn]

plates

[mint coral]

reinforced?

[tame pawn]

those

[mint coral]

rotors and reinforced plates ya?

[tame pawn]

ye

[mint coral]

im no where need any manifolds but here is a simple setup

rotors go into one input reinforced plates into the other. any excess parts go down the linbe to the next machine

[tame pawn]

il try it

see how long it takes me

[mint coral]

its a lot simplier then trying to balance the inputs.

just make sure you are feeding enough parts into the system in this case you are trying to feed 7 machines so you needs 14 Rotors a minute and 14 reinforced plates per minutes

once the first machine is full it will send the over flow orf parts to the next. This process is offten refered to as the Wind up time.

[tame pawn]

dose that work???

[mint coral]

you tell me. is you machine recieving part when it is fed?

[tame pawn]

idk im bout to connect the miner

tadaaaaa

wel now i play leag and wait for the mana fold to do its magic

[wind spade]

It's "manifold" 🙂

Not "mana fold" 😛

[tame pawn]

potato

[mint coral]

lol i am not a patient man. I was burning my mouth with hot soup while typing and decided not to fix it lol

[fickle skiff]

i created a beginner coal generator set up based on the first model, using 2 normal nodes, 1 overclocked 200% and 1 150% with mk 2 belts going into a merger, but the final 2 arent getting enough coal and its been about 30-45 minutes from start up

[wind spade]

are all other filled fully with coal?

[fickle skiff]

yeah

i had to underclock my generators unfortunately

so im not getting full power

[wind spade]

then you're not making enough coal or have some lower tier belt somewhere

[tame pawn]

i ahd the same issue i jsut wnt around and upgraded all my betlts to 3

[wind spade]

you only need mk2 for this

(but you need to mine 120 coal)

[fickle skiff]

ohh ok so mk 3 belts work?

[tame pawn]

well idk

[wind spade]

mk2s work as well

[fickle skiff]

i have mk 3 belts and 120 per min

[tame pawn]

thats what workd for me

[fickle skiff]

sorry mk 2 belts

[wind spade]

mk2s would be just fine

[tame pawn]

im not saying there not

i used the same blueprint he posted

and my gens wenrt getting coal

so i upgraded all belts to 3

and now im all good

[wind spade]

most likely piece of mk1 somewhere

[tame pawn]

mabye ill never know

[wind spade]

well, if it was all mk2, then it would work

[tame pawn]

so check your betls then

all of them

[fickle skiff]

it was mk 1 belts right at the beginign of my merger

thank you guys :3

[tame pawn]

how do i use bluprints that ig et from some where else

trying out a hyper tube

[fickle skiff]

uhm you needa go into the like game save folder

[tame pawn]

i see

my worst enemy the folders

[fickle skiff]

win+r > %Localappdata% > Factorygame > saved > Savegame > Blueprints > {your save name}

[tame pawn]

i bet your loved

[fickle skiff]

:D dw i use blueprints from other sources too so its easy to jsut pop in

[tame pawn]

yh i just want to test out the hyper tube ima try to not use the blrurint from others that way i learn the hard way

[fickle skiff]

no me too this is my first serious playthrough thats why im struggling so hard

[tame pawn]

found it

[wind spade]

Why win +R?

[tame pawn]

this is my first one

[wind spade]

Just paste it in file browser

[fickle skiff]

it opens the run command, thats how i do it lolz

[tame pawn]

"C:\Users\fates\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\blueprints\statisied\Compact Cannon.sbp"

ezzzz pz

[wind spade]

Unnecessarily complicated 😉

[tame pawn]

not rlly win+r cpy paste

[wind spade]

Open file browser -> paste

[fickle skiff]

true but, its how i learned so its just what works for me

[tame pawn]

^

do u have to reset the game to see the print?

[fickle skiff]

thats usually what i do

i exit to desktop, pop in the print, then go back in

[tame pawn]

got u

[hushed silo]

load in blueprints for easy acces to not yet unlocked alts hehe

[tame pawn]

what symble do i use to multiply

[queen umbra]

This

[tame pawn]

thx

got u

[tame pawn]

anyone got a 7 foundry bp?

nvm

[queen umbra]

It doesn't fit in

[tame pawn]

yh all good

i am one iwht the manifold

[queen umbra]

Manifold are king

[tame pawn]

as

[queen umbra]

You don't like clipping?

[tame pawn]

ive heard its fround appon

lmaaoo plus im someone that once i do sometinh lazy i stay that way

[mint coral]

stack verticly

[tame pawn]

thats y i can never cheat in a game ill never play that game the same

[queen umbra]

Lol I love clipping do you have manufacturer not clipping with those is hard

[jagged adder]

I have never seen something spelled so incorrectly but correctly at the same time

[tame pawn]

spellings not my string suit

[jagged adder]

Also why would clipping be frowned upon ?

[tame pawn]

cuz its ugly?

[jagged adder]

Admittedly I feel like this game cares more about whether the job gets done than aesthetics

[tame pawn]

like cliping bets into eachother right we ont he same page?

[tame pawn]

very true

[jagged adder]

Yes, where they like go through structures

[tame pawn]

yhh ok yh i just like building neat cuz if i start messy i get lost

[jagged adder]

This is so true, I got to like, phase 3 in a world and I got SO confused where everything was I had to restart

[tame pawn]

its my first playthru im still on phase 2 and ive kept everytrhing as neat as my new player self can be

[jagged adder]

Do you keep like notes or anything

I've heard those can help

[tame pawn]

no

ive got a bad memory so i jsut 1 thing at time

ive gone of corse on this like 6 times now

[jagged adder]

Son I'm crine

[tame pawn]

that is fucking disgusting

[jagged adder]

How are you mining 405 ore per minute ?

[tame pawn]

pure node

[jagged adder]

Oh that makes sense

[tame pawn]

yhhh

y wont it trunt he other way

[jagged adder]

Wdym

Oh I think you have to press R

[tame pawn]

i am

[jagged adder]

Scroll wheel ?

[tame pawn]

nope jsut truns the whole thing

[jagged adder]

Wait I think

You click and then bring your mouse down and then scroll

[tame pawn]

i figured a way

tart from the track

start

[jagged adder]

Fair enough

[willow harness]

Hey guys, I've been getting this issue for the past few days. Does anyone know how to fix it?

[tame pawn]

idk anything

[willow harness]

sad

[tame pawn]

fdoudn the issue spliter was facing the wrong way

[agile junco]

@jagged adder this is the equation I was optimizing. It's nonlinear, so Z3 isn't really a good fit. I'm not sure what method is best suited to this problem though.

[tame pawn]

):

this is gettting walled so i never have to see it

[jagged adder]

IPOPT or bonmin or SCIP in my opinion

[agile junco]

You ever use anything like scioy for this, or any libraries I should look into?

[jagged adder]

In my understanding SciPy would only apply if all variables are continuous which they're not

If you're okay with Julia then maybe JuMP

I'm excluding Pyomo as you mentioned not liking python too much

[agile junco]

I would love an excuse to play with Julia.

[digital sequoia]

is satisfactory tools down?

[vapid gorge]

break it up into sections

[tame pawn]

na im using it right now

sp pretty

for the most part

still not done tho):

[digital sequoia]

just realized compacted coal and turbofuel are considered alternatives recipies

[tame pawn]

lol im gussing its to late

[tame pawn]

holy fuck the creation ive just finshed

10 auutomated wirong and 10 versatile frame incase anone would like to use it

the game just told me to take 15 min brake cuz ive been on 6 hours

sleep time

[cold lintel]

Damn, I'm over here struggling to build a reinforced iron plate and modular frame set up haha

[wind spade]

Works for me

[frosty owl]

Most based answer 😆

[median hill]

I’m attempting to buff up my power grid substantially and I’m running into several issues. I’m using blenders to make diluted fuel so I need heavy oil residue and water; do i go off the cubic meters requirement or the amount per minute? It vexes me profoundly. Second, the fuel I’m producing refuses to flow despite all my outputs of my blenders being full while the inputs for my generators stay mostly empty. I’ve tried setting my clock speeds to 1% to let everything fill up and that hasn’t worked. I’m trying to power 160 generators off 16 refineries and 32 blenders each putting out 100 fuel per minute. The generators take 20 so I thought my math was right but clearly it is not. SOS.

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch fuel

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel

[vapid gorge]

you need 50 hor pm and 100 water pm

[median hill]

I have my refineries overcooked to 250% to put out 100 per minute feeding two blenders for every one refinery

[vapid gorge]

sure that sounds fine. But it sounds like the fuel is back logged, is that correct?

[median hill]

That’s my best guess

[vapid gorge]

overhead images of how you're feeding your gens pls 🙂

also how much fuel you doing in each pipe?

[median hill]

I’m doing mk2 pipes which are full

I’m doing a manifold with a loop back pipe running from front to back

[vapid gorge]

use photo mode and get a better oveall shot?

I wuldn't have multiple connections like that. Just one snakey one

with 2 fuel gens feeding off each junction, fewer junctions less back flow

[median hill]

So one long pipeline feeding all my gens on one side?

[vapid gorge]

like this but with generators and on each side https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1456108589847412788/image.png?ex=6964594d&is=696307cd&hm=f6cb544a33842112c1adfb6f9354d1d15d82ec498da5ced3ba64490a2ca66ee3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1294&height=1009

also if you want less strict piping, split it into 2x 300 flow pipes. They don't care nearly as much

[median hill]

Sorry I’m on console so I’ve never used it. Not sure how it works

[vapid gorge]

fair, but try that with the specifics changed

[median hill]

So one long pipe feeding each of my generators on either side of it with an elevated section above the piping to help with flow. 1200 oil pumping into 16 generators presumably piped the same way along with 32 blenders. I know I need valves for the splitting to the 300 but I’m not entirely sure where to put it. Before the manifold of gens? Decrease the flow rate to 300 and let it sit evenly into the gens from there with the fuel?

[vapid gorge]

no valves

the 300 flow I was talking about was about specifically merging only 300 into a single pipe and feeding gens like that

it gives you more leeway for pipe planning

[vapid gorge]

the higher the flow, the most strict you have to be with your pipes

that's an immediate save

[median hill]

So should I be using mk 1. Pipelines, then?

[vapid gorge]

sure

[spark wren]

all this work for the water to fluctuate after upgrading to miner mk2..........

flow rate is so weird, i thought i understand it but atp i dont even know what can i change

i dont use pumps because i wanted it to use minimal energy, but from what i gathered putting all the generators close to my pump lift affects my flow rates

rip

[vapid gorge]

under clock a couple gens on each line to like 50% - let it flood, up clock them

[spark wren]

i tried flooding them up by giving them standbys; they stay on the 6000 for a while, and then fluctuate again

my flow rate is messy somehow, sometimes its alright, sometimes it wont reach some gens

[vapid gorge]

my guess is you're edging the headlift

put a pump on them. They basically cost nothing

oh and get rid of your valves

they'll do nothing but hurt

[spark wren]

really?

i thought by using them ill stabilize my flow rates, guessed gravitiy might be an issue

theyre set to max

[vapid gorge]

no, they don't really stop back flow

and the ycan cause flow issues

[spark wren]

oh right

once pipes full it causes the flow to bounce

i added the loop after testing the valves so maybe removing them will manage without the pumps?? if not ill add them, rip 32 MW

no way i sabotaged myself

[vapid gorge]

honestly unless the headlift was an issue a pump shouldn't be needed, but yeah valves will, in general, do nothing, at worst, cause issues

[spark wren]

ye its so weird to me cuz it worked before upgrading

i saw a lot of people say to avoid using mk2 pipes but i didnt find any reason why

i still have fluctuating but ill try to fill everything with water and see if it stabilizes after leaving it again

[vapid gorge]

yeah flood and see

full pipes are happy pipes, but also full pipes are a good way to trouble shoot things as you'll see where the drains are

[spark wren]

ok nice, if this doesnt break in an hour im calling it a success

[spark wren]

ye, with valves weird things were happening altho pipes were somewhat full

[vapid gorge]

valves have a hidden mechanic where they'll only let a % of the flow marked through depending on how full the pipes are

I don't know why this is , but it is.

so it can really stutter production

[spark wren]

"max flow is around half of the set limit"

yeah cant wait to work with alumina or whatever utilizes them

[vapid gorge]

missing an important bit - if the pipe is half full the nteh max flow is around half the set limit

so if it's around 1/4 full it'll have about 1/4 flow

[vapid gorge]

also you don't use them with alumina either

[spark wren]

good lol

[vapid gorge]

just don't use them anywhere

[spark wren]

welp

i knew this would happen, my extractors were sometimes flashing yellow

[vapid gorge]

should balance out

[spark wren]

yea i shd have connected the pipes elsewhere but with this design i dont really have space

pumps it is..

[vapid gorge]

I don't see why you don't have space?

[spark wren]

aa no no, i can put pumps easily

i was just thinking how connecting the pipes in a different way couldve solved this

someone posted this here

and i have this

was thinking how connecting them in a way that doesnt take all the water in one pipe could have fixed my issue

but cant go over bc head lift, and "cant" go under because potential problems and ground

[oblique hollow]

Just another pipe connected from the right water extractor to the generators above would help

[spark wren]

.

dont really have space unless i do them underneath

and i smell issues with it

going above is not an option bc im edging the head lift

[oblique hollow]

I checked again, since nothing is overclocked and since its only 360/min water, it should be fine as it is

The loop near the generators is kinda superfluous but wont hurt

[spark wren]

and yet it fluctuates

[oblique hollow]

Because it probably hasnt stabilized yet

But as cobalt mentioned, you can just slap down a pump on every line and then wait

[spark wren]

nah, if i underclock gens so they fill with water, and then set them back to 100%, they use max energy and then go back to fluctuating, during that time water extractors flash yellow sometimes which means somethings wrong with the flow

ye pumps definetly fix my problems

[vapid gorge]

can always loop it like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=69643468&is=6962e2e8&hm=4b6e410ac46b77ed5c299cd92116bc85cc4464c85aaf3a5e7f2af08445e16f9a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1294&height=703

[spark wren]

i tried to save 32 megawatts

[oblique hollow]

Dont be stingy

You got 6000 MW here

[spark wren]

cant go pipe over pipe on the generator floor bc edging head lift, i guess i could put them in between the pipes but its going to look very ugly

[spark wren]

its so funny how much work im doing just so that i dont have to use pumps

but ye youre right

i actually planned the entire grid in a way that uses all my extractor head lift

so im just salty it doesnt work anymore

[oblique hollow]

Going near the edge is never good

Because the head lift is not just from pipe middle to pipe middle

Head lift is needed to fill pipes to the very top

[spark wren]

cant put them lower bc ground, and if they were closer to the lake i wouldnt have space for all the extractors

i tested the height and it worked with mk1 stuff

[oblique hollow]

Did you measure the height with beams once?

[spark wren]

i used foundations

its somewhat innacurate bc water extractors arent bound to the world grid but i tested if the water goes to the generator

and it did

this was my first sketch, but when i used mk1 miners i couldve only use 6 gens per row, and with that grid (no pipe loops) everything worked, but i guess that makes sense since i overproduced water, which means i had more pressure

[vapid gorge]

just use pumps...

[spark wren]

i will.. but i feel defeated

oh i wonder if these would help?

[vapid gorge]

no. It's a headlift issue. Just stop

[spark wren]

its not about making it work its about understanding it

[vapid gorge]

You're at the edge of headlift.
this is bad.

there really isn't much more to it

[vapid gorge]

also these are things that can happen - it's generally more reliable to not.
I don't think I've ever used any special junction out of the manual. You just really don't need them

[spark wren]

i mean ye i cant really see a reason to use them aside from readability, which isnt really needed

my "problem" is solved with pumps so

i tried to justify what was happening, and if the problem with close head lift is that it "sometimes" is exceeding it (which idk if makes sense) then it could be a potential fix

[vapid gorge]

no, you'd need something that gives more headlift in that case. These do not

[spark wren]

buffers do though but they seem unreliable

[vapid gorge]

buffers reset headlift, and have variable headlift based on how full they are

and afaik you need at least enough headlift to the top of the buffer to fill it anyway?

so you'll get the same or less headlift on entry

so it's impossible to get infinite free headlift by putting buffers in stages

[frosty owl]

The issue with trying to understand that is that you lack precise instruments to do so easily (pumps show the headlift being used each moment, water Extractors don't iirc). Lots of guessing and little precise measurements to deal with

[spark wren]

yee i had my headaches with my first power plant, my design ended up using 3 pumps per 3:8 bc i didnt understand pipes all that well

worst issue i had was putting pumps next to curving pipes, it made them disconnect after placing 2 more things

i was so confused before i found what was happening

[frosty owl]

Sometimes there's a bit of a wide margin between "it works" and "I know exactly why it works"... Especially so with fluids as you can't see well what they do 😅

[spark wren]

i think the fun in this game is mainly in understanding what youre doing, playing on my solo save after playing with my friend who handled our powerplant

pipes scared me

[wind spade]

there's no reason to avoid mk2s

[frosty owl]

Yeah, the joy of discovery

[wind spade]

but all the reasons to avoid valves 😉

[spark wren]

so true

[spark wren]

my source: youtube comments

i forgot which videos but there were more than 2

this also caught my attention but i guess ill ignore it

its the valve page

[wind spade]

youtube is like 30% wrong, 30% misinformation/misunderstanding, 30% weird things and 10% actually useful stuff

[wind spade]

yeah this is why you loop the pipe

[spark wren]

i saw this image 2 times before posting my issue, am having regrets edging my head lift so hard lmao

using gravity like that is so smart

[vapid gorge]

well it was made to clearly show loops xD

[spark wren]

my tutorial-less aah did horizontal loops</3

[vapid gorge]

horizontal loops are fine

[vapid gorge]

they just take up a bit more floor space

it's probably better to not have bottom loops.

[spark wren]

horizontal works but seeing this jsut makes me wanna rebuild ahah

[vapid gorge]

yeah but horizontal has no down to prefer

[opal hill]

what a reroll on the hard drive lmao

[agile junco]

I really hope 1.2 fixes this.

[wind spade]

it's... not a bug though

[agile junco]

Seems like unintended mechanic interaction, but maybe they want it that way. But I'm pretty sure this isn't how fluids work in real life.

[queen umbra]

It's good heavy oil residue

I need a design cause I got to place down 177 fuel gen

Any clue how?

[agile junco]

Of course fluid dynamics in real life are much more complicated, I'm just saying it would be nice to make full pipes more intuitive imo.

[wind spade]

This is how it would work irl

[queen umbra]

Should I do 10/stages?

Or I will.ot the build limit

[agile junco]

Why is there fluid flowing backwards exactly?

Shouldn't the junction be full?

[oblique hollow]

It is full

The backflow occurs due to a pressure rise

[agile junco]

What would make sense to me is that the junction has losses due to eddies and friction, causing the rate to suffer. But this would be true of any junction, and I'm pretty sure that this game doesn't apply that concept.

[oblique hollow]

Not due to vacant space in the junction

[agile junco]

Why is there a pressure rise?

Aren't both pipes the same area?

[oblique hollow]

Because the devs did something weird with dynamic pressure and in some cases it overpowers hydrostatic pressure

[agile junco]

That's what I thought.

[oblique hollow]

But the thing is its not a bug per se.
Its just "bad mechanic"

[agile junco]

Greeny is trying to claim it's the same in real life. And I'm saying it's a weird satisfactory thing.

[oblique hollow]

Irl there is fluid hammer due to a pressur wave hitting a dead end

[agile junco]

Bug or not is not really my point. I would just love to see it fixed.

[oblique hollow]

And in Satisfactory, backflow usually only happens in cases where real water hammer would also occur

Irl, it would lead to pipes clanking or bursting

In Satisfactory, we get a pressure wave that causes flow rate changes

[agile junco]

Wouldn't that just cause more fluid to flow down the other side of the junction irl?

[oblique hollow]

No it would just rupture the pipe or cause pipes themselves to move around / jolt

Its a really steep and sudden spike

And it lasts for a short time only

[agile junco]

Also, it's entirely possible to have dampeners inside each machine that consumes the fluid, dramatically reducing this effect.

[oblique hollow]

All a lot of extra work.
Ive already worked out a simple way to resolve this and made a suggestion on the QA site

[agile junco]

Simple is probably better

Got a link?

Cause I just feel people would enjoy doing fluid work a lot more in this game if they changed this.

[oblique hollow]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b22be2dbe2e46a549b0664

You can test it ingame with a mod already

Its linked on that post

[agile junco]

Interesting thanks.

How did you calculate density?

[oblique hollow]

Didnt. Tested for a value that works well.

As for the vanilla values: they are in the game header files, with a bit of modding you can read them

[agile junco]

Ah gotcha

One day I would like to get into making mods.

Just need a simple starter repo to base off of. I would like to avoid unreal editor if possible.

[oblique hollow]

There's contentlib which can edit most simple files via json file patches

All you need is a text editor really

But it cant do any deeper modding

[agile junco]

Yea no, I need C++

Or C# whatever the game mod libraries link with easiest.

I won't be building assets anytime soon. So basic stuff like attaching functions to events or maybe making slash commands would be good enough to start.

[oblique hollow]

That will need the full modding environment

Which will need UE

[agile junco]

I can probably just link to their headers though I would think.

[oblique hollow]

Asking on the modding discord would be the best bet here

[agile junco]

Oh, you also need to register with epic games to get a custom version of UE, interesting...

Yea, one day I'll go down this rabbit hole.

[tame pawn]

which file is it to ti use on satisfactory calculator?

[dusky dust]

The ones in the SaveGames folder (the one you have highlighted

[tame pawn]

now i wait

[tame pawn]

got to upgrade my power soon right

[cloud kraken]

Yes

Very much soon

[tame pawn]

this is all i have left to do i dont have anything else unclocked

theres jet packs right cuz im feet are tired

[cloud kraken]

Yes, in phase 3 you unlock jetpack

[tame pawn]

blessssss

wait

phase 3

[cloud kraken]

Yeah

When you complete phase 2 you go to phase 3?

[cloud kraken]

Phase 2 sorry

[tame pawn]

oh ok

[cloud kraken]

The tiers/phases confuse me

[tame pawn]

so phase 2 i gt jeetpack not 3

[cloud kraken]

Whenever oil production is I believe, lemme check

[tame pawn]

got u

[hushed silo]

gj

[cloud kraken]

tier 5

so yeah, phase 2

[tame pawn]

ok bless

im aslmot there

[cloud kraken]

Im working on completing phase 3 rn

[tame pawn]

oo

[cloud kraken]

aka what ur about to go into

[tame pawn]

yh

now im just wating for the stuff to craft

[cloud kraken]

Are you using machines or just your crafting table thing

[tame pawn]

machies ive fully automated

[cloud kraken]

Ok, good

[tame pawn]

hand crafting is a no no

[cloud kraken]

Indeed

Do you have smart splitters yet?

[tame pawn]

no

[cloud kraken]

Unlock those when you can, they are very good for coupons

[tame pawn]

yh what ive been doing is ill fill up a storage of a item then add a split intot he sink

so i ahve at least 1 storge full

[cloud kraken]

Thats not a bad Idea

[cloud kraken]

Nice

[tame pawn]

modular farmes

[cloud kraken]

God dang

How much per minute?

[tame pawn]

smart plating

uhh let mec heck

12.5 frames

13 smart plate

[cloud kraken]

Nice, I have a compact system that gets me like 3.5 modular frames pm

[tame pawn]

niceee

[cloud kraken]

It gets me by, the main thing i've been working on is fuel power

[cloud kraken]

I think my current system gets me about 6k+ power from just fuel gens

[tame pawn]

im on thin ice

[cloud kraken]

No kidding

[tame pawn]

yhhh scrayyy

[cloud kraken]

Do you use any mods?

[tame pawn]

no its my first play thru

so iddt want to add mods

[cloud kraken]

Kk

[tame pawn]

on my sec one i might

[cloud kraken]

I recommend smth like extra storage if anything

[tame pawn]

yh something to make life easy

bout to blow my opps away

lake of doom and despair

[tame pawn]

i assume i need the radar ?

[heavy swift]

I'm sorry to disrupt the flow of conversation but i was wondering if anyone had ever experienced any discrepancies with the prioritisation logic of stations when making timetables?
I've found while even providing the correct logic to the time tables, it won't be interpretted correctly unless I order my stations as the game sees fit, even though the rules I provide can be followed

so i had a 3 hour hell where my trains just started taking the wrong route, i didn't change anything

they just started ignoring a line

[tame pawn]

i dont know what the fuck i just spent 2 mins rereading so i cant help cuz u seem in a higher tier of the game than me

[heavy swift]

its still identical and i dont know why the timetable thinks to skip stations

when they're manually accessible, i gave the quickest routes in every intended direction, but it just decided to freeball and turn itself inside out (I'm still using the same schedule, and its working as intended, but i asked the train to imagine it started from a different station, all of a sudden its acting like its qualified to be carrying my materials. Despite the order remaining unchanged)

[queen umbra]

My max consomption is at 10 000MW and I make 6 000MW lol

[heavy swift]

my max is 140kMW and i only make 45kMW lol

thanks apg's

[queen umbra]

Time to expand

I'm adding 177 fuel gen rn

[heavy swift]

im expanding as we speak

im on the nuclear tree i won't turn it on until theres no waste

[wind spade]

trains always take the shortest route

[heavy swift]

yeah but this is a time they didn't

[wind spade]

then most likely you placed some signal or something that made the route impossible to do

[wind spade]

fyi, kMW is not a unit, use GW 🙂

[heavy swift]

the only act that corrected it was say the time table was ordered 12345, i reordered it 51234

[wind spade]

you can also store the waste until next step is ready 🙂

[heavy swift]

it simply would not follow my orders unless i found a starting point it would agree with

[cloud kraken]

What is the MW - GW conversion?

[wind spade]

same as with everything else, e.g. GB and MB in computers, 1 GB = 1000 MB, 1 GW = 1000 MW

[cloud kraken]

Ah, ok, thanks!

[wind spade]

that's the beauty of SI system, every prefix is the same 😉

and americans still don't want to switch

[heavy swift]

woah this metric stuff sure does seem convenient

[wind spade]

yeah. The "MW" is already a prefixed unit (the base unit is W, or Watt, so we're doing MegaWatts, aka 1000000 W, or 1000kW)

but in terms of the game, it's kinda "base unit", so conversion to Watts is not necessary

next one would be TW (TerraWatts), which is 1000 GW or 1000000 MW

[agile junco]

I kinda wish they would convert thousands of MW to GW in game.

[agile junco]

Gotta show love for the GiB too 🙂

[wind spade]

imo that would confuse more people than help

[agile junco]

Yes, but it would make me happy

[wind spade]

I was kinda hoping someone would come with "akchually 1 GW is 1024 MB 🤓 " or something, so I could remind them that it's GiB what they are talking about 😄

(though like half of the software out there does this wrong, so... I get the confusion)

[agile junco]

It's partially confusing just because 1024 and 1000 are so similar.

2^10 ~= 10^3, who woulda thought.

[worn spear]

Half the software and my entire computer science curriculum at my school, indeed
Also yeah, I checked myself to be sure, my CS curriculum says GB is 1024 MB
GiB aren't mentioned anywhere

Oh no nevermind, it does mention GiB
Or it mentions "kibibytes" at least in the books
The teachers themselves directly call a megabyte as 1024 kilobytes

[agile junco]

1000 bytes is a kilobyte (aka. kB). 1024 bytes is a kibibyte (aka. kiB) So your teachers are wrong on this one.

Kilo and mega and giga are SI prefixes and therefore multiples of 1000. Kibi, mibi, and gibi, are IEC defied, and those are the multiple of powers of 2.

[boreal quail]

hell naw, never recovering that

[brazen kayak]

i really just wanna know if im doing this efficiently, the ratios are a little bit off and ammounts feel weird, is there anything im doing weirdly or using a wrong recipe?

i really dont like pure iron ingots, the ratios on that are utter. disgusting, so im just trying to make everything needed for building larger scale fuel plants off of a single factory

[hushed silo]

ratios are imaginary and they can be whatever u want them to be

plus iron realy is whatever resource so when u need 17.327423987 u can just make 18

[brazen kayak]

yeah but im like, super ocd brained so having perfect ammounts really makes my brain feel nice

[hushed silo]

93k iron on map

[brazen kayak]

hence the iron above being perfect for mk.4 belts

[vapid gorge]

you can clock your machienes and have everything exact

ratios are meaningless

[brazen kayak]

dividing on pure numbers

what i really want to know though is. is the ammounts im making and recipies im using well. good?

[vapid gorge]

up to you

are they?

I mean I think the layout is insane, but you like it, you get to choose the numbers too

You like ratios, I think it's madness
just subjective

[brazen kayak]

thats what i mean, what about it. i understand trying to make everything from iron is probably a bit subjective

[hushed silo]

brother, i have learned, circular walls, glitchless 🧙‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

All alt reccipes have their uses - Iron Pipes is stupid recipe

[hushed silo]

the grind is far from over tho

[vapid gorge]

but yeah, you choose if you like hte numbers

[brazen kayak]

it was more since all the needed iron was in a singular spot instead of trailing coal over for the steel

[vapid gorge]

there is more iron+coal combos on the map than just iron and coal on their own I'm fairly certain. You kinda have to try to find them on their own w/o the other very close by

[hushed silo]

wait, are u doing all this with mk4 belts?

[brazen kayak]

mhm

its the reason why most of the iron ammounts divive by 480 on whole numbers

whole even numbers*

[wind spade]

whole numbers are kinda pointless to aim for

only reason is "because I want to"

[brazen kayak]

yeah. exactly

my ocd brain makes it feel like i need whole numbers on belts. having like, 131.32 iron on a belt that can hold 480

i dunno what it is. it just dosent sit right.

[wind spade]

that always happens in the game though

[hushed silo]

u are torturing urself with this ngl

[brazen kayak]

xD

[hushed silo]

in game ofc

[brazen kayak]

i mean yeah, i do presume the further i go the more genuine pain it'll be to get pure whole even ratios on an entire factory

its just a mental thing though

[vapid gorge]

yeah I'm not surprised , you need to manage the elts a bit more cleanly

first off, how many stops is this train doing? you look like you have like 20 platforms?

[compact plank]

It does 4 stops, 3 pick up and 1 drop off. I’m having it going around gathering resources and bringing it to one spot

[vapid gorge]

ok the buffers are going to work here because of how you've set them up
though with that many stops you may be going over your throughput anyway

have 1 dedicated belt fed to a buffer, that has 2 belts to the inputs. That's it

with 4 stops you probably can't move 1 belt per platform though

unless the distances between teh stations are very very short

then, on the delivery side, have 2 belts to a buffer, and 1 belt out

[compact plank]

I timed it personally and it’s about 5 min travel time for a loop

[vapid gorge]

that's on the edge of things . Try buffering both ends properly and see if it balances out

[compact plank]

Yeah I’ve done that already

[vapid gorge]

you've linked these up though, avoid that https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1460079636628111593/IMG_6968.jpg?ex=69659ca0&is=69644b20&hm=ba0cee3cb5cac91c99f0f5524482fef3a2b7797c7551435e6e915d12bd7051f7&=&format=webp&width=1353&height=761
and your other buffers are not well done

just slapping things down sometimes can work, but it's not a reliable solution

[compact plank]

I can’t have one belt into a single buffer cause 780 isn’t enough

For the iron at least in the first train station

I got 840 iron per minute for that area

[vapid gorge]

with a 5 minute turn around time , 840pm x 5m is 4200 parts per transport

iirc cars only have 32 slots and ore is 100 per stack, that means it can only care 3200 parts

physically impossible

"with 4 stops you probably can't move 1 belt per platform though"

easiest solution would be to have 3 different trains. 1 per stop dropping off their things to their own dedicated station at the drop off point

[compact plank]

That’s why the extra 1000 is being put into the platform behind it but why doesn’t that work?

[vapid gorge]

no idea, your belts and buffering are a bit of a mess and I can't tell what is going on. But I would absolutely not over flow things to ogher cars

"easiest solution would be to have 3 different trains. 1 per stop dropping off their things to their own dedicated station at the drop off point"

this would also have the benefit of having much smaller stations at most of your stops

this is an example of bad buffering, you've only got 1 for each platform from 1 input in a container. I'm not sure what numbers you're going for but I wouldn't put money on this working

[compact plank]

I have it like that cause that’s the second stop. The second platform would have an overflow at the second stop. So the overflow is being put into the 3 platform

The second stop is 480 per minute

[vapid gorge]

I guess? but you still have only 1 belt going to each input.

You're doing this is a messy complicated way while not really understanding how it works 🙁

building messy systems is fine if you know what you're doing and know how to trouble shoot things but this isn't the case. Can't tell what you're doing

[compact plank]

But you gotta add the 1000 extra being produced at the 1st stop

[vapid gorge]

but also, I mentioned why it's physically impossible to move the 840 pm on that one platform, and you're ignoring it

I'm betting you have a ton of issues like that all throughout the system

at this point it'll be easier to redesign and rebuild most of the system.

than to try to figure out all the problems

[compact plank]

It makes sense in my head but I just can’t really explain it well

[vapid gorge]

sense and feasible in the way you have made it are not the same thing

there's lots of ways to make super awkward systems in this game. I don't recommend them if you really don't know what you're doign

[compact plank]

But the issue I have is the train doesn’t fill incomplete stacks which causes me to lose one machine

Half a stack missing makes me cut out one smelter

[vapid gorge]

that's not the main issue with your system. You do no have the throughput. if missing a handful of parts in 1 stack causes your system to die you aren't managing it properly

you should never ever ever try to push your throughput limit that hard with trains

always be under the throughput limit for each platform by a good portion to account for margin of error

[compact plank]

It doesn’t necessarily cause it to die. It just makes the production of the 2nd platform to be 510 instead of 540

The first platform is doing 540 with 4 to spare

[vapid gorge]

if you aren't getting the parts per min you need, it's dying. It's not functioning properly

[versed mango]

Where is the best place to make an adaptative unit Factory?

[vapid gorge]

you have a throughput issue. I have pointed out ways to make it simpler, I don't know what else to tell you.

you can make thigns in this game crazy comlicated - up to you to decide how much ou want to deal with it

[vapid gorge]

make a plan, change around alt recipes to look at what that changes in your needs, use the map and find a good spot 🙂

like basically everything there is no 'best' unless you're being very specific https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wVFBVILG90Zx0fCVrzpc

[versed mango]

I already make it, but is difficult to find a good spot, I think the blue crater can work

[vapid gorge]

sure. But I would modify the plan as you scout - to find 'better' spots that match the recipes you use

scouting and planning are steps best done at the same time

[vapid gorge]

you could, for example, cut out copper entirely

would simplify things a bit

or cut out oil

[versed mango]

Like in making a factory for the copper in a bigger volume than what i need?

[compact plank]

I will attempt to do with what you recommended to help my throughput but I think the trains should fill incomplete stacks unless they’re not meant to. So I don’t know if it’s a bug or not

[vapid gorge]

well if you change to a different wire recipe and a different circuit board recipe you woudln't need copper at all

[versed mango]

realy

[vapid gorge]

or change to Silica Circuit board and Crystal computer and you could cut out oil , which is often a bit inconvenient

[vapid gorge]

doing dedicated A to B trains is much simpler. Do the same with belts to platforms

[vapid gorge]

oil-less Adaptive units https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TORgZF7quhxBdGtnfY6b

uses crystal instead but might be more convenient depending on area?

[versed mango]

I have 2 pure ore zone for

[versed mango]

I just need more recipe

[vapid gorge]

sure. You could also cut out coal in that plan, but it would consume a fair bit more iron

in that plan it'd be

iron, copper, quartz, limestone

[versed mango]

ok, i will go find some recipe

ok thanks

[vapid gorge]

that's just why it's good to plan and scout at the same time 🙂

SFtools, the links I shared, are really good for that because you can tick and untick recipes quickly to see the differences

example with no coal. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=IFaLKQeofFHCTQMPVLQT

[tame pawn]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[queen umbra]

Good job youre progressing fast aren't you?

[vapid gorge]

@chilly holly blue is fresh water , red is waste

bottom refs are solution , top are scrap

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=6965a3fe&is=6964527e&hm=4cd21079588ed54166065dab74d3ee9af820b460a7c398c5833ca6732f11168b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

@chilly holly just talk in here.
And it depends on how much bauxite you're processing and what recipes

[chilly holly]

What is optimal bauxite processing, and assume i dont use alternates

[vapid gorge]

ok well these are the ratios for hte various combination of recipes you can do. Base Base is top left

you can see that in the example 2x refineries running at 100% are using fresh water
1x refinery at 100% uses waste

that means you clock the fresh water bauxite to use 2/3 of the bauxite, and waste 1/3

so say you're processing 600 bauxite pm, 400 will use fresh, 200 waste water

that's the solution for all possible amounts using the recipes you're using

for simplicity I suggest you process each belt of bauxite individually

@chilly holly make sense?

[chilly holly]

I think so, ill have to try it when i get to that tier again