math-and-meta

[digital wing]

I mean i have more than enough rocket fuel to sustain it, but i do kinda wanna build a battery factory lol

Need to see what the production for batteries looks like

[dusky dust]

Batteries unfortunately became awfully niche in 1.0

[unique cypress]

worse than packaged RF that's for sure

[dusky dust]

They used to be the only drone fuel, and a required component for one of the SE parts

Nowadays they're just an alt fuel for drones+vehicles, and used in one alt recipe

Although, as I say, depending on circumstance they're not difficult to make, and might be more convenient than packaging RF (though I'll be the first to admit that circumstance is awfully niche. :)

[digital wing]

I would be doing it for fun rly lol

[digital wing]

Thanks for helping out!

Does anyone know what the uranium stack size is actually

Is it just 100 like other ores

[unique cypress]

100

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[digital wing]

Ty!

[green topaz]

I've got 9 refineries for sloppy alumina, which all go into aluminum scrap refineries. 1800 water requires, 1080 as byproduct. hypothetically, I could just have 720 water flowing externally and it would work, right?

[dusky dust]

If you just smoosh the fresh + recycled water pipes together, you're likely to end up with flow problems

[green topaz]

Yeah, so have the 720 and the 1080 flow into their own refineries

[dusky dust]

You can combine the fresh + recycled by using a VIP Junction (as described in https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf), though setting those up can be a bit finnicky (I personally don't like to use them)

I do what Leonidas suggested, which is to loop the recycled back but keep the fresh + recycled totally separate

[green topaz]

I am literally the one who asked lol

[dusky dust]

Which may require some underclocking (or overclocking) so that the numbers match up

[dusky dust]

lol, sorry, reading is hard. :D

[green topaz]

No worries, even after a bajillion hours, mathing is still hard

[dusky dust]

Like here's a sloppy+electrode setup from one of my saves (refineries at the bottom are clocked to 75%/75%/60%/15%/75%)

[green topaz]

I'm not even using electrode, as coal is more readily available in my current location

[dusky dust]

There are folks who swear by the VIP Junction method; IMO just keeping 'em separate is a lot more trustworthy, though

[green topaz]

All my petroleum coke is being used elsewhere

Oh wait I have 3 pure copper nodes nearby, I'll just use that to make the two aluminium products my factory needs on site

And then transport that

[vapid gorge]

I mean it’s simpler to feed Easter water into dedicated waste water bauxite refineries but you do you

[crimson moat]

For pumps you can roughly use 8mw = +40m for 600/min liquid. You need to know where you need elevation gain on liquid, and how much of it.

trains are complicated and a bit expensive

i doubt you'll need 300gw but more than 10, maybe 100. Definitely calculate and test first 😄

[vapid gorge]

@thorny bolt

[pastel obsidian]

that would be me but its not worth spending the time

[dusky dust]

To be fair, once you have a working design they can be quite reliable; I've done it myself in the past

I know KYO297 just has a blueprint with a working VIP that they slap down whenever they need it

In the end it's a bit personal preference. :)

[vapid gorge]

come on 1.2, break the vip exploit 😛

[crimson moat]

there are at least two, and the second one is a lot harder to address since it has to do with the way that the fluid simulation is built

[deep python]

Anyone have any good manufacturer start up layout they'd recommend for phase 3?

[vapid gorge]

it's really no different than any other system in the game except you need 3 to 4 feed lines

[crimson moat]

you can do inputs on different heights

e.g. connection 1 with an elevator at minimum height. Connection 2 elevator placed back 2 meters, and going up 2 meters more. Repeat

[vapid gorge]

layouts will depend on recipes, previous machines you need and personal preferences

[deep python]

I see 🤔

https://youtu.be/exnPp_1c7-I?si=aiqNTurVRqm70bqS

Would this guys blueprint be good? I've got no idea what to do with the manufactures tbh, I've got most of my stuff being made all in the same area mainly because its all derived from the same things and I'll just have to cart stuff from my oil refinery back and forth for the plastic and rubber

[vapid gorge]

this is just 'inputs at different levels'
it's ... just a normal layout

[crimson moat]

i don't do that because clipping, that's what the 2m step back each level is for.

[deep python]

Ah true 😅

[vapid gorge]

like, it's totally fine, but you would have come up with similar just off the top of your head 🙂

[deep python]

Probably 😂

[pastel obsidian]

you can also go the other way for a more cleaner look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N7a4fQK620

[digital wing]

Wha would be my best bet for transporting nitrogen gas halfway across the map? I assume i should just package it. I dont need a whole lot, just like 400/min

[unique cypress]

Yeah, package and drone is prolly gonna be easiest. You likely won't even need more than 1 drone

[digital wing]

Building this nuclear plant is more of a logistical nightmare than anything

Gonna need a fair few drones just for the uranium and nitrogen alone

[violet zealot]

best resource to sink for coupons?? to golden nut

[unique cypress]

BWDs

[violet zealot]

is that the most efficient? as in resources required/coupon

and if so do you have a chart that has the list of resources required/coupon

[unique cypress]

Max sink points/min uses mostly BWDs so I'd say yes

[inner knoll]

Probably is but it is a tier 9 product

[violet zealot]

I see but say you are looking for smt else is there a list or smt

[unique cypress]

That entirely depends on the alt recipes

[violet zealot]

oh

[inner knoll]

People usually turn to silica for sinking points, being a simple 1 step system, just raw quartz into silica into the sink

[unique cypress]

The more complicated the item is to make, the more points it's worth. Generally. So you definitely want to sink phase 5 parts if you want minimum resources for maximum points

[unique cypress]

Brother that stops being useful at like tier 5

[inner knoll]

Yeah I know but u just gotta take things into consideration

Plus really the best things to sink are simple things

I usually just use Smart Plating though

[unique cypress]

You'd need to sink about 500 million silica to get the golden nut. At minimum

[inner knoll]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's good in late game at all, it's absolute dog piss once u even send up the phase two space elevator stuff and get into tiers 5-6

[frosty owl]

Whatever tier you are, if you have automated spelevator parts... well, that's what's most worth sinking ^^
No need to make a dedicated production line for the sink most of the time, just connect to it stuff you built

[inner knoll]

Yep, like if you have all your plates or rods going into a box, just have the excess go into a sink once the box is full, it's quite simple really

[crimson moat]

that gets you golden nut before you finish the game

and because of the increasing sink points on later products, it's quite forgiving to starting to sink stuff later in the game too

just set it up before p4 or you will miss out on a lot

[digital wing]

???????

[loud whale]

whats the best route to make power from oil on phase 3?

[crimson moat]

heavy oil residue alt + diluted packaged fuel alt

[loud whale]

what if i have blender? this recipe?

[crimson moat]

blender is phase 4, but yes

[loud whale]

i just started the phase 4 so

[crimson moat]

you can make rocket fuel then

[loud whale]

but that needs nitrogen gas and the resource well stuffs

[mint coral]

Nitro rocket fuel is very over power and worth the resources in my opinion.

The compact coal bi product is great for steel too

[wind spade]

or you just loop the byproduct back

[gloomy gyro]

How deep can a manifold go before it takes exceptionally long for it to balance? I feel like some of my manifolds are too many machines long

[orchid brook]

how hard will this be?

[unique cypress]

One question: why?

[orchid brook]

to make these

• i just wanna use all the oil on the beach

these

[dusky dust]

More tedious than hard, though IMO the recycled petrochem loop is about the most complex thing you can make in the game

If it were me I'd build it in modules tied to the specific nodes, rather than trying to combine it all

[orchid brook]

ya i would do that

like for every 900 pipes i will make one section

so 3

[unique cypress]

Modules of 450 would be better

Then all plastic fits on one belt

[orchid brook]

wait is there decimals?

hold up there aint

i might do that

[unique cypress]

Though rubber doesn't

Would be better if both fit

Or you can do a mixer with prio mergers and splitters and build everything in one block

I'm gonna do that for shits and giggles next time I have to build a big recycling plant

But it's probably not a good idea

[orchid brook]

helll nahhh i just take the extra belt over that

[unique cypress]

Modules of 300 oil fit on 1 belt

Even if you make them output either rubber or plastic

[mint coral]

Not that bad

[inner knoll]

Yeah like someone else said, not hard, it just takes up a lot of space, get them blueprints ready and your good

[mossy shard]

I disagree, smart splitters trivialize the logistics then it’s just a matter of fuel piping

[orchid brook]

then we get decimals in the prossecs

[unique cypress]

actually, you might be able to use 450 and swap the order of the prio merger and splitter

though it's not like decimals are an issue

[orchid brook]

Ik they arent an issues buttttt i like being safe and i dont want any more fluids nightmere

[unique cypress]

so something like this

[orchid brook]

ya ya something like this

but like this specificly for plactic or rubbur

[wintry rivet]

steam is stealing play time

[oblique hollow]

time traveler spotted

[leaden wadi]

Do fuel generators always take the same amount of any type of fuel per minute? I know they take 20 fuel per minute, but I'm tryna upgrade to turbo fuel and don't know if they need the same amount per minute or more

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch fuel gen

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+gen

[leaden wadi]

Damn it takes way less. Thats why people like it so much 😭 what have I been doing

[unique cypress]

turbo is actually not that good

I don't bother with it at all

regular fuel is just easier to make

turbo only saves you 50% of the oil in exchange for a lot of coal and sulfur

[leaden wadi]

I'm gonna try it out, needing coal and sulfur for more power using the same amount of oil seems worth it to me

[unique cypress]

it's not like it's terrible so you do you

[digital wing]

Its not really a lot of coal and sulfur in the grand scheme of things, esp if you have the foresight to build tf knowing you’re gonna use rf or smth else in the future

[leaden wadi]

I'd only need 1 normal node of coal and sulfur at 150% for what I'm planning to do so I don't mind 🤷

[digital wing]

Yeh mine was smth similar for 40gw of turbo fuel

[leaden wadi]

Whats a GW?

[unique cypress]

1000 MW

[leaden wadi]

Thanks twin. Mine is going to make 30gw then

[wind spade]

GW to MW is the same as GB to MB 🙂

[leaden wadi]

Technically MB and GB is 1024 🤓 but I get what you mean

[wind spade]

no, that's MiB to GiB 😛 nerding you back

[leaden wadi]

You are indeed correct. Out-nerded my ahh 😞💔

[digital wing]

Will a vip junction work if the input is on a side and the top?

I want the top to be consumed first ofc

Like this

Assuming the top pipe has enough headlift as well

[unique cypress]

build it like in the manual. the top junction can be rotated, but other than that, idk

I guarantee nothing

[digital wing]

Wdym rotated

[unique cypress]

#math-and-meta message

[digital wing]

Oh i got it mixed up

[dusky dust]

Sure, but there's also literally no other factory line in the game which requires that kind of feedback looping between things

IMO it's more complex than any of the aluminum chains, and every other fluid loopback in the game is even simpler

I mean, I'm not saying it's hard but I don't think there's another factory line in the game which approaches it for complexity

[digital wing]

If i need to transport 1200 ore per min via drone, will i need as many receiving drone ports as i have incoming drones

Or could i just bundle them into 2 or 3 ports?

Cuz i imagine ill need 4 ish drones to hit that 1200 per min number, if not more

[dusky dust]

I don't personally like having more than one drone delivering to the same spot, since drones won't leave until they can fully unload, and I don't like to be in a position where one drone is holding another drone up

(not to mention the longish land/takeoff animations, even if their cargo unloading isn't getting in the way)

Though that might depend on how close to the drone's ideal throughput you're pushing them. If on each drone journey, the drone's only got like one stack of room left, and it encounters an unexpected delay, the next trip might not be able to make up for the lost time

I guess what I'm saying is personally I just tend to do a 1:1 drone port mapping when I've got multiple going to the same place

More power investment, sure, but it saves me from having to account for that kind of thing. :)

[digital wing]

I think thats what im gonna do

My max transfer rate is 2.18 stacks per min. I need 1200 uranium ore per min at the receiving location. Is it as simple as having 6 drones taking uranium?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, probably

[digital wing]

Wait wdym probably lol

That doesnt fill me w confidence

[unique cypress]

The drones' reported transfer rates tend to be ... inaccurate

[digital wing]

Oh dear

Is it by a big margin?

[dusky dust]

I always just set up what feels about right and watch it for a few cycles

If it turns out I need more, I add more. (Or if it turns out I massively overestimated, maybe I'll strip it back a bit)

[digital wing]

Can i sink uranium? If so i can test easily

[dusky dust]

I don't often actually math out vehicle/train/drone logistics too much ahead of time

Just eyeball and adjust to suit is my usual methodology

[digital wing]

But otherwise ill only know when everything is running lol

[unique cypress]

Ore? Yeah. Same with cells and rods

[dusky dust]

Yeah, Uranium can be sunk

[digital wing]

Ah okay i can test it before turning it on then

[unique cypress]

A few percent at least

[digital wing]

I just wanna fill up all the manifolds as i go cuz i have 144 npps to fill lol

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I nearly always set up my full logistics prior to actually building any of the factory

I like making sure I've got all the material coming in properly before building (though I know other folks sort of do it the other way around)

[unique cypress]

Fill them when they don't have water - it'll take 4h max to fill then

It'll take days if you try to fill them when they're running

[dusky dust]

Gives the system plenty of time to "burn in" and allow me to notice problems ahead of time that way, too

[digital wing]

Yea thats what i was gonna do

Is there a way i can blueprint the npp and water extractors lol

I really dont wanna place 300 water extractors and hook them up

[unique cypress]

Not without mods or SCIM afaik

[digital wing]

Fml

[unique cypress]

Hmm a NPP might fit in a mk3 BP

[digital wing]

Is the incoming transfer rate any better than the max transfer rate

Or will i just have to figure out how to meet the throughput needs myself lol

[unique cypress]

Yeah NPP's max dimension is 43 m, mk3 BP goes to 48

So you should be able to fit on with a splitter and merger, foundations, floor hole and power pole

[digital wing]

Yea i have the npp bp already, i was just wondering how water extractors work w blueprints

Cuz i might be able to raise the npp slightly to enable the water extractor to be slightly below it

[unique cypress]

The game just says "no" when you try afaik

[digital wing]

Oh great

Its okay i wanted to place 300 water extractors

[unique cypress]

The dimensions probably fit, but you aren't even allowed to try

[unique cypress]

Better 300 than the 1045 I did in U6

[digital wing]

yea thats hellish

I mean if i decide to make ficsonium i will need a lot more

Will be close to 1k as well

But i need to figure out sam for that, i might just dupe some somersloops if i decide to do it

[unique cypress]

Nah it's not even gonna be double

Unless you max plutonium

[digital wing]

Yeah it would be 27 plutonium rods which is 250 alone

• however many i need for the ficsonium which ig will be less

So yeah you’re right

Tf did you need 1000 for lmao

[unique cypress]

It's barely possible when you're doing 630 GW of uranium (the regular max). With your 900, you might actually need to dupe/cheat sloops. Unless you do min instead of max plutonium ig

[digital wing]

Yea i would just dupe more sloops

[unique cypress]

Max Nuclear. But no automated shards or slooping so everything was at 100%. Plus NPPs took 300 water back then, not 240

It wasn't even max nuclear. It was max Plutonium. Which I thought was max nuclear until after I finished

But no, fertile uranium was and still is shit for power

[digital wing]

Jesus

[dusky dust]

(Counterpoint: Fertile's fine. Yes, you can get a bit more power-per-uranium if you spent that Uranium on the original Uranium step instead, but the difference isn't huge. If you want to go Fertile, go for it)

[digital wing]

I’m doing non fissile just so i dont have to bring more uranium in lmao

[dusky dust]

Heh, for sure. :D

[digital wing]

Its not that difficult to set up tbh

[unique cypress]

You get 15% more power and uranium rods are generally cheaper than plutonium, and less plutonium means less plutonium waste. I see only benefits to not using fertile

[digital wing]

I got all the components for the fuel rods and the blenders for the encased cells setup in about 4 or so hours

[digital wing]

Assuming my vip junctions work, but then i can just deal w the excess acid somehow

[wind spade]

loop it back

[unique cypress]

You don't need a VIP for nuclear acid? Iirc all recipes have some 1:1 ratio to be found somewhere for a closed loop

[digital wing]

For me its not 1:1 w sulfuric acid. When i make non fissile uranium i need 1080 sulfuric acid, and my blenders only make 480

If it doesnt work I’ll just feed the 480 into the non fissile anyway its not rly a big deal

[unique cypress]

Both of these can have a closed loop?

First one either acid, second both together

[digital wing]

The excess comes from making the encased uranium cells

Thats where my vip is

[unique cypress]

Why aren't you using the alt XD

[digital wing]

Thats a good question lmao

I’m not rly sure why didnt pick it when i made the plan in modeller

I think its cuz i couldnt be bothered to get more quartz for the silica

Dealing w fluids and their waste is probs one of the more fun parts of the game imo. Its v boring just placing down factories i know are gonna work perfectly

This adds a bit of danger

[mossy shard]

Dark matter?

[dusky dust]

I'm inclined to rank that below as well; it's a feedback loop for sure, but it feels straightforward to me in comparison

Like when I was first doing Tier 9 stuff it didn't really strike me as difficult to plan, whereas I continue to use solvers to give me numbers, etc, for the petrochem loop

(and again, not saying that's difficult in an objective sense, but IMO it remains one of the strangest things to build in the game)

[mossy shard]

Petrochem sort of solves itself if you just smart splitter into the inputs for the machine and overflow to your output

You can get around belt limits by keeping it modular

[dusky dust]

Sure, I'll give you that, but arriving at that kind of solution is, IMO, far from obvious, and not something that the majority of players are likely to stumble across on their own. (Obviously that does happen, but I'm willing to bet upwards of a nickel that that's rare. :D)

In the end my argument is undeniably vibes-based, so other folks' vibes may differ.

I just don't find basically anything else in the game especially complicated, in a way that I think that petrochem loop is

[mossy shard]

I’ll give you that initially it looked really complicated and it probably would be if not for smart splitters being one of the most broken logistical items in the game

[dusky dust]

Like there's really no other examples of recipes literally feeding back on each other like that, and requiring a specific set of alts to really take advantage of, etc

[mossy shard]

I actually find a specific balance of diluted packaged fuel to be one of the harder things to get right

[dusky dust]

Everything else in the game is just "follow the production line back until you get to ores" -- the petrochem loop just feels special to me, still

[mossy shard]

Since if you have too many, or too little empty containers in your line, you can get jams or under production

[dusky dust]

Yeah, diluted packaged fuel I'll grant is up there as well

(Though the solution to not having to worry about container count is by having "closed" isolated loops, rather than manifolding across machines. :)

[pastel obsidian]

It is strange how some people have issues with feedback and others don't

[dusky dust]

And, again, I'm definitely not even saying that the petrochem loop is hard, just that IMO it's about the most legitimately "complex" factory line that the game has

[graceful dove]

I don't have a problem with feedback. You should shaddup

[mossy shard]

Not nice!

[graceful dove]

Eww more feedback! Hissss

[mossy shard]

Yeah, but when you have dozens of machines and packagers, I think the belt work for a bunch of closed loops is awful

[graceful dove]

I think the magic lies in running the loop belts above or below

[dusky dust]

An isolated 2x Packager + 1x Refinery loop can be fit nicely inside even a 4x4 blueprinter, with all belting in place, and even 20ish Empty Canisters pre-loaded into the Packaged Water packager. One-click mini-blender: takes in water+HOR, spits out Fuel

[mossy shard]

That’s not a bad idea

[dusky dust]

Yeah, really simplifies the setup

The only real downside is that if you want to change the clock on a unit you've gotta do it on all three machines

But otherwise it's just click-click-click. :)

(Well plus the usual Packaged downside that it's 60/min instead of 100/min output, and takes slightly more power overall than the Blender version, but whatevs. :)

[mossy shard]

My current plant is dilated packaged and recycled products, I have the water being packaged about 200m away and go into a belt balancer were each line manifolds into a row of machines

[dusky dust]

heh, yeah, IMO that's a recipe for pain

(as you've noticed, in re: trying to get a "good" amount of empty packages in the system)

[mossy shard]

I ended up just adding some ISCs to deal with the backlog issues

[dusky dust]

Closed loops are the key. Like literally just 20 Empty Canisters pre-loaded into the blueprint and it's good

[mossy shard]

I feel like closed loops could also back up no?

Or do you just have a small enough number of packages where it’s not possible to

As that’s sort of what I ended up doing with the ISCs

[dusky dust]

Unless you're putting more than like 200 into the system it shouldn't back up (it'd have to fill up both input+output buffers plus the belt inbetween 'em, before it'd back up)

But in practice you rarely need more than like 20. Each package only spends like 8-10ish seconds going one circuit through the loop

(Might need more if you're using, like, mk1 belts)

(Though back to the original topic: indeed, this particular problem definitely ranks up there among the "actually complex" factory lines in the game. :D)

As with the petrochem recycled-loop, once you know how to work with it it's easy, but getting there can be a bit of a journey. :)

[mossy shard]

Fully agree

I think packagers might be my favorite machine in the game just cause they add a different type of complexity

[dusky dust]

It's possible I'm underestimating the Dark Matter stuff, I suppose. I've been playing since Update 3, and am quite used to all this stuff, so perhaps it felt a lot easier to me on the first round through just 'cause of accumulated game experience

[mossy shard]

Dark matter can just be a bit annoying as it’s a fluid byproduct that can be self contained, but getting that right can cause fluid issues

So you have a balance of trying to keep pipes full for flow and using all / not needing more byproduct with soffit recipes

[vapid gorge]

why wouldn't you just keep the different sources of DMR seperate?

[mossy shard]

I’m talking if you wanna use it without needing to add in more from SAM

[vapid gorge]

you mean the waste product DMR right?

cause that's a non issue if you don't try to merge it in with other sourced DMR

[glossy delta]

packagers complex? most people use them to bypass using pipes!

I just don't understand why the turbo diamonds recipe uses packaged fuel!

[wind spade]

I doubt that's true. No reason to bypass pipes lol

[glossy delta]

people are afraid of pipes and train stations

[wind spade]

not really

[glossy delta]

extremely

six figure yootoobers will make package unpackage lineup instead of raise pipe too

everyone ape monkey see follow

[wind spade]

youtubers are not really a good role models for playing the game

[glossy delta]

but they have the most outsized influence on people's opinions

the bitz video where he says that pipe lengths are causing people to have fluid flow problems has done incalcuable damage to 600/m credibility

[sand epoch]

Anyone looking at a tuber for building lessons is already a lost cause

[vapid gorge]

I don't really see people here depending on them much - especially when warned off with evidence of their non sense

[glossy delta]

this is a planet in the galaxy in the marble at the end of men in black

[worldly island]

Except Doc. Doc is good.

[wind spade]

I've heard the opposite

[vapid gorge]

I've seen questionable things people hvae brought onto the server claiming doc did it

[glossy delta]

most reputable sloptuber (but still slop)

[worldly island]

The heck you mean sloptuber?

[glossy delta]

here's the top 5 ways to do basic things you should be able to figure out with a middle school level of inductive reasoning

[worldly island]

I guess, but I'm several hundred hours in at this point and he's still teaching me stuff (mostly keyboard shortcuts and whatnot). Plus teaching the names of different concepts such as manifold vs load balance vs sushi belts.

[wind spade]

keyboard shortcuts are on your screen 😄

[worldly island]

Not all of them.

[wind spade]

other ones are in settings 😉

[worldly island]

Like holding Ctrl to snap to output lines to set up perfect manifolds.

[glossy delta]

that has to be information available in the game somewhere, I figured out how to do it without a tuber telling me

css should lay the rumors to rest and make an announcement video condemning people for feeding pipe manifolds from the bottom and merging them up instead of just saying haha we're fixing fluids winky face

[vapid gorge]

I wish

[dusky dust]

Nah, just the Diluted packaged fuel loop; a lot of folks by that point have gotten manifolding down pat and try to solve it that way, which ends up working against them

[vapid gorge]

screw them people

[glossy delta]

sometimes people have a hard time adding numbers together and plugging machine outputs into inputs

[glossy delta]

where manifold

idk, to me it was self evident the first time I did dpf to change the numbers to have a 1:1:1 closed loop

[vapid gorge]

the manifold pipe runs under the refineries there

[inner knoll]

How does this work? The little bend at the end isn't making much sense to me

[glossy delta]

3 overclocked coal generators isn't 600

👁️

[vapid gorge]

so this is a thing I created as a fairly reliable method of bottom feeding.
It depends on having really clean set ups though so I still don't recommend it

in the image example fluid would come in from the right into hte loop and feed the manifold that way.

the little U bend on the right is just how that end of hte fluid manifold loop connects

[inner knoll]

Ah okay I see

thank you

[vapid gorge]

no sweat! but don't take this as an endorsement for bottom feeding - it's very tricky and you have to be willing to spend the time doing clean piping and planning

I'm just very dedicated to the look of pipes coming from below like that so it was worth while for me

[vapid gorge]

oh and if you do use it, sometimes making hte input pipes to the machines mk1 instead + having a powered pump right before the manifold can help stabalise it

but those aren't cure alls

[inner knoll]

Yeah I think about 500 hours of playtime ago I tried to bottom feed, didn't work, and I haven't touched it since

[vapid gorge]

Well if you do decide to go all in on it I'm happy to help you prep the layout 🙂

[inner knoll]

Well I mean I do bottom feed a lot of water for pure recipes but

[vapid gorge]

well fresh water systems tend to be more stable. Also if you run like 300 flow pipes

Those in the image are running at near or at 600, so pretty proud of them

[inner knoll]

Oh nice

[pastel obsidian]

You basically have two pipes dealing with 300 each rather than one pipe with 600.

It just looks different

[frosty owl]

And that I hate
Game be like: "Lemme hold your hand and babysit you through your first steps: press this for menu; do this to equip weapon; check codex for tutorial messages and everything you need... Surely you'll know everything if you just follow my commands!"
Proceeds to never mention the existance of commands or building techniques, player now confused as to why they need to dig through setting sir the internet to know something they (rightfully) assumed they would have been told about 🤦‍♂️

Just add a note "see full list of commands here" instead of making one think all info is provided

It's as if it holds your hand just to abruptly let go without clear reasoning

[oblique hollow]

Factorio was kinda equally bad with that in my experience

I had to look up most controls in the settings anyway

The game holds your hand with the initial mechanics but not with controls

[unique cypress]

TBF unless a game literally has like 5 controls, it rarely tells you all of them

[frosty owl]

I had the opposite experience and that is now my best standard of in-game tutorial 🤷‍♂️ (I have less than, like... 3 complaints about it xD)
Did you play with tutorial off? Or did they add it only in the past year...?

[oblique hollow]

No clue

[mystic steppe]

wot?

how do i split it without splitters

[unique cypress]

You don't

Also, don't bother using this godawful calculator

Find literally anything else

[mystic steppe]

i was just intrested lol

[digital wing]

Make 2 at 50% each

[mystic steppe]

i mean it says one at 100 percent

lol

[digital wing]

You want to split the output of the copper ingots?

You either make 2 at 50% and feed each one into the subsequent machine

Or you put a splitter at the end and feed a belt each into the subsequent machines

[mystic steppe]

yeah

its justfunny how the website syas

[sand epoch]

It's funny that it doesn't do your thinking for you?

[cedar folio]

The calculator just assumes you have everything unlocked.

If you don't, then you gotta think.

[old lintel]

I mean I messed around with it a few times and you can go into settings to limit it

I think I wanna try to figure out how to do them by hand and derive a few formulas though

[wind spade]

No need to split if you never merge

[old lintel]

Go into settings and set it to realistic
It'll so you the spilliters and mergers then

[mystic steppe]

wot???

how does more people finished it then built the elevator

[bright juniper]

starting a game on a later phase

[digital wing]

I need to transport a consistent 1200 per minute of uranium. I have 6 drones set up, all with their own ports, but receiving machines for this uranium goes down every once in a while. Is it just a case of adding more uranium drones from other nodes?

[wind spade]

Pre-1.0 saves

[sand epoch]

If the nodes you are already on total 1200, then the problem is with how you setup the splits to the source drones.

[digital wing]

Ok ill maybe add another drone to each miner and see how that changes

[stray tapir]

Use https://satisfactoryplanner.net if you want proper production chain generation. It actually lets you draw what you want or generate them automatically

[sturdy sage]

It’s good, but it has no grid snap and that makes me twitch, especially when it has a grid as a background

[wind spade]

honestly best planning tool for splitters is Satisfactory

[stray tapir]

Nice layout

[wind spade]

tbh I think that looks horrible 😄

but that's just my personal opinion

[stray tapir]

Game looks better 😄

[faint oracle]

how many elevator parts per min should i go for at phase 4? every number ive put into satisfactory tools gives me uneven numbers with like 10000 decimals lol

[wind spade]

decimals are completely fine to use

and how many you should aim for is "how long do you want to wait" and "how much do you want to build"

[faint oracle]

i wanna build alot but i hate planning

[unique cypress]

I don't bother fully automating space elevator parts at all. except pasta in phase 5 because it's required for something other than the elevator

[wind spade]

well there's planners for this game 🙂

[faint oracle]

like this is for 6 assembly director systems a min, i just want a smooth number/m where i dont have to over/under clock so many machines

[unique cypress]

you don't have to change the clock speed at all. ever

[wind spade]

you only "need" to over/underclock one (if you want machines running at 100%)

[faint oracle]

i have autism...

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE 1000000% EFFICIENT!!!!

[wind spade]

yeah, then you need to clock just one machine

[unique cypress]

and I have autism and I couldn't give two shits about machine uptime

[vapid gorge]

this is almost as bad as SCIM's realistic view

and that's a full on crime

[sturdy sage]

dont know if this the place but why does this glow sometimes but not others and why can i copy the glowing one?

[digital wing]

What did you mean by this? I just have the 600 uranium per min going into 3 drone ports which go to my power plant area

[dusky dust]

So when the drones leave from the "source" ports, do the internal buffers on the port get totally emptied out?

[digital wing]

By internal buffers you mean the storage inside of them?

[dusky dust]

One thing to keep in mind is that that kind of transfer (ie: splitting up between various drone ports) is generally best done load-balanced rather than manifolded (IMO)

Yeah

[digital wing]

I’ll need to test it, but now theyve filled up the receiving ports so idk if i need to wait for that to empty first

[sand epoch]

And how are they fed? All off 1 splitter.. or are you doing a manifold setup? Manifolds for drones are not great

[digital wing]

Its a manifold, but i can do it off one splitter i guess its not rly a big change

Ive not rly touched load balancers in general tbh

[dusky dust]

Ah, yeah, if you're splitting up a transfer across drones, I'd definitely personally want to load-balance it

[digital wing]

Hmm I’ll give it a try

[dusky dust]

Like, a manifolded setup should presumably even itself out over time as well, but what I'd personally want to see from my ports is to have the input buffers totally cleared out when a drone picks up its cargo

That way I know I've got sufficient capacity in the system

[digital wing]

So would adding another source drone port not solve anything

[dusky dust]

If a drone ever can't totally empty out the input buffer, that means I don't have enough throughput in the system

But you'd only be able to see that easily if you load-balance between the ports

[sand epoch]

Yea.. a manifold drone setup would result in large fluctuations as everything gets diverted to the first port after every liftoff

[digital wing]

Yea that make sense

[dusky dust]

I admit I've honestly never really thought through how exactly a manifolded-across-drone-ports route would act, so I definitely can't speak too authoritatively about that

[digital wing]

Ive never needed to transport a consistently large amount of resources w a drone so its been a learning curve for me as well lol

[sand epoch]

I do a lot with drones 🙂

[digital wing]

So you think 3 source ports and 3 receiving ports is fine for 600/m of ore?

And its just fixing the manifold

Is there anything else i could try/add in case that doesnt solve it

[sturdy sage]

Someone?

[sand epoch]

3 with 6 drones should be fine, unless you are flying across the entire map

[digital wing]

Wait sorry wdym 6 drones?

[sand epoch]

2 with 4 may even be fine

[digital wing]

each source drone port has its own drone, so there are 3 in total for the 600 per min

Can you add multiple drones to a drone port?

[sand epoch]

The destination port can have one too. You just set it to the source

[digital wing]

😮

[digital wing]

Will it take fuel from the source port

[dusky dust]

(personally I tend to just keep it as one per pair -- I don't like having to worry about making sure that the timing is about at the midpoints)

'cause you wouldn't want both drones arriving at the ports like one right after the other

[digital wing]

Oh yea i didnt rly think about the timing

[sand epoch]

Will take from wherever you are feeding it. The initial flight will need to be manually fueled though

[digital wing]

What about the timing issue apoc mentioned?

[sand epoch]

Timing is largely irrelevant with multiple drone ports

[digital wing]

Even if you have a drone at the source and a drone at the receiver?

[sand epoch]

Yup

[digital wing]

Okay sick

[dusky dust]

Sure but if one drone arrives like immediately after the other, it's gonna be carrying hardly any throughput at all. And if that particular port-pair doesn't mind that, then you could've just done with one drone in the first place

[digital wing]

Im gonna load balance it and then put extra drones, i cant imagine that shouldnt fix it

[dusky dust]

If you're doing a port pair which each has drones going between 'em, you'd want to make sure they're about at the midpoints

[sand epoch]

122 active drones atm here

[digital wing]

How would i do this?

[digital wing]

Or is that overcomplicating things^

[digital wing]

Would i set off the second drone as the first is halfway through its journey?

[dusky dust]

Basically just take a look at how long the one route takes to complete, and then stopwatch it from there -- when the other drone is at its other port, then set the new drone's schedule

[sand epoch]

If you just let them run, you will see the timing works itself out in the end. What matters is the belt speed being enough to ensure loading and unloading

[dusky dust]

But I prefer to just stick to one drone per port-pair

[digital wing]

I just have all the outputs merged at the receiving end into 1 mk6 belt

[sand epoch]

If you like. Imo it's a waste of time worrying about it

[dusky dust]

I mean, you'd want them to at least be not right on top of each other

'cause you're hardly adding any throughput at all in that case, versus just one drone

[sand epoch]

If you say so. 🙂

[dusky dust]

If the goal is to maximize throughput, you'd want them as evenly-spaced as possible (and, obvs, it'd only be useful if the throughput headed into the port exceeds what a single drone can carry)

[sand epoch]

They aren't trains, nothing stops.

[pastel obsidian]

Drone ports have 18 slots so it doesn't really matter when the drones come if you have 2 of them

[digital wing]

Does the belt work on the receiving end have to be anything fancy? Can i just msrge all 6 ports into one belt

[dusky dust]

Ach, yeah, okay, my brain finally clicked into gear, you're right. :)

I should avoid trying to brain things out after a long day like today

So yeah, agreed, in the end. :)

[sand epoch]

Not really. So long as belt speed meets or exceeds the throughout you expect on the destination side, balanced or manifold work the same

[digital wing]

Sorry my question was about the destination side

Like I just have the 6 ports in a row, all connected via mergers

And i need 1200 per min, so a mk6 belt satisfies that

[sand epoch]

The only thing I always do on receiving ends is funnel everything into a isc with an overflow to a sink so if there is ever a glitch drones would keep flying

[digital wing]

An isc is a good idea, thanks so much for your help

[sand epoch]

It also let's the ports fully empty without relying on the machines

[digital wing]

Yea i think its defo worth it

[dusky dust]

Yeah, ISC buffers on any "bulk" delivery method, drone or otherwise, is well worth it

(I actually generally also smart-splitter-overflow to sink, ahead of the ISC. I like my station output buffers to be empty if at all possible)

[digital wing]

Given this is for nuclear power, id rather just keep any excess uranium just in case theres an issue w the logistics lol

[dusky dust]

(Though to be fair that might stem from an obsession with doing sushi deliveries with vehicles/trains/drones, too. :D)

[digital wing]

Yo you are actually a drone genius you completely fixed my throughput issue lmao

Tysm

[vapid gorge]

@grand moth keep your fresh and waste water split like this, blue is fresh red is waste

[grand moth]

So fresh water goes into one, comes out of three and goes into two? Am I understanding that correctly?

[vapid gorge]

well the ratio of how many refineries changes based on recipes and clocking, but yes

for example the clockign in this system is the top image here

[grand moth]

Fair. The small planet I have is all normal speed. Gotcha that makes sense. Thanks

[vapid gorge]

you basically just need to figure out what % of yoru system runs off fresh water, and what % runs off waste 🙂

[dapper drum]

can fresh/waste ever be fully effective in the same circuit? or is it one of those things that you're just playing with fire?

[vapid gorge]

I also very much recommend keeping these in their own small processing units - for ecample process 1 belt of bauxite like this and don't connect it to others

[vapid gorge]

yes - but those set ups aren't reliable in that sometimes they just don't work and need to be rebuilt.

depending on your method you may also need to flush the system to help restart it

[dapper drum]

huehuehue

[quaint condor]

The "key" to recycling is to make sure that the "fresh" comes in to the "center" of the manifold going between machines, that it comes it from the top, and that [fresh water]=[total required for production]-[total waste produced]. Works everytime, all the time.

[vapid gorge]

A split system like this should be able to recover w/o fiddling with it

[grand moth]

Gotcha, I have waste coming back into the fresh pipe line currently. Yes I only have one line currently.

[vapid gorge]

I mention it because sometimes people try to link up the waste of like 5 ore lines and it just becomes a mess quickly

whenever possible keep fluid systems in their own little groups 😉

[dapper drum]

seconding this advice. ever since i started doing this, i've never had a single issue

[vapid gorge]

it's not that it's not possible to link it all up, but it's much harder to layout and trouble shoot things like that

[grand moth]

Makes senses. I try to keep each setup small for whatever I’m working on but it’s harder since I hit phase 4

[dapper drum]

agreed, and one little blip can drive you nuts

[quaint condor]

Keeping it in blocks of 600 makes the math and managment super easy.

[vapid gorge]

keeping by product fluids split like this will also help in later on production lines

[grand moth]

I’m sure. I discovered that with fuel residue quickly

[vapid gorge]

there's a production line later on with byproduct gas that can't be packaged so you basically have to use a process like this to manage it

I wouldn't want to try to directly merge waste and fresh gas

[grand moth]

Gotcha. I just setup sulphuric acid and a nitrogen setup so that’s good to know. Not sure what I’m doing with those yet

[vapid gorge]

is this for the nuclear chain?

[limber prawn]

how is 780 possible? the belts are supposed to move at 1200

[vapid gorge]

some sort of bottle neck further ahead

[limber prawn]

there's gotta be a tiny mk5 belt i missed during the conversion somewhere

[vapid gorge]

either that or you're not consuming everything in the first place

[limber prawn]

oh it's consuming everything

[vapid gorge]

and oof, that piping 🙁

[limber prawn]

first playthrough lol

[vapid gorge]

avoid valves and buffers - also you don't need to loop outputs

[limber prawn]

it's ultra sloppy but somehow it just works

[limber prawn]

found a tiny mk5 belt that was causing the bottleneck

the consumption rate of fissile uranioum is 1000/min, and 250/min uranium waste

[vapid gorge]

if it was all getting used are you actually using more than 780pm?

[limber prawn]

this should never ever lock up right? the throughput monitors are returning 1000/min and 250/min respectfully

[limber prawn]

yeah its 1000

the monitors return that now

[vapid gorge]

@sharp sphinx ok change your plan for them in the inputs section with this

you'll get the same results

Like I said, it takes a little bit of practice and working with the options, but once you've done that it's a very powerful tool

[deep python]

Can someone explain to me how the highlighted pipe has consistently no flow even tho all my petrol genes are full, its got maybe 5m of headlift and there's a pump right next to it?

The pipes towards the end of the line (where the pump is) have barely any fuel in them even tho im over producing fuel to pump into a packager for more awesome points

I went through and turned all the genes off to let the pipes fill but the empty pretty much instantly

[vapid gorge]

image?

[deep python]

Sorry I completely forgot to add it 😂

[vapid gorge]

would have t osee the whole system, use photo mode or build something tall

[deep python]

Sorry for shit quality my xbox isnt uploading to the network for some reason

[vapid gorge]

what's the packager doing there ?

[deep python]

Sitting next to the constructor thats making containers?

[vapid gorge]

ok and it's basically going like this?

[deep python]

It's that a bad spot for it?

[vapid gorge]

just trying to get a full grasp on what's going on 🙂

[deep python]

Yeah

But past the last gene its not getting any flow

[vapid gorge]

ok so main issue here is , probably, that manifolds don't like elevation changes

and it's best to keep fluid systems seperate

and that pipe goes upwards at the packager

your best bet is to clock a group of refineries to feed exactly what the generators need, and clock another refinery to directly feed the packager

[deep python]

Ahhhh ok

I'll reorganise my pipes then

Thx!

[vapid gorge]

no prob!

basic rule of pipes - if anything could be simpler about it, do it

[deep python]

Ahh ok, and itd working now thx

[vapid gorge]

glad it is 🙂

[crimson moat]

I've got dozens of pipe/machine systems built that consume their whole inputs, and the game has a bug which temporarily breaks fluid flow when you load.. that makes some pipes partially empty, and it takes 15+ minutes and thousands of machine stalls to recover fully. After which it runs completely stable without any stalls indefinitely (i've tested it for 18hr continuously - this always happens immediately after loading, and never happens if the game hasn't been loaded recently)

To be perfectly resilient against this bug (such that it won't interrupt production even if you save and reload many times in a short span of time) you need to have input significantly larger than consumption, which is a royal pain in the ass in Satisfactory unless you waste resources and deliberately undersize your production a bit (e.g. send 600/min oil, but only hook it up to stuff consuming 580/min)

If you have flow rate headroom and some buffer, usually this is buffer in the machines themselves and in the pipes, it might not stall. But if input=consumption then it will drain the buffers each time you load and it will never recover until it stalls, because the stall taking consumption below input is how it recovers.

If you start adding in stuff like different fluid flows competing against each other, this bug and a few others like it can be far more catastrophic. Loading into the game and having that priority shift, or having some flows interrupted more than others because they're at different flow rates.. very very very bad.

With simple systems like mine (e.g. no mixed waste/fresh) at least i can set them up with preferential feeding to certain groups of machines and mixing/balancing on outputs and inputs, and then the worst that happens is the world runs at 97% of nominal resource consumption and output for a bit. With mixed fresh/waste and complex systems you can cause much greater dips or even deadlocks because you loaded the game or you moved between two different powergrids with a hoverpack.

Another thing, actually, because it's random/biased which machines stall (when you have multiple fed by the same pipe/s) to make up for the input deficit, this actually caused my uranium waste and non-fissile uranium to be produced in the wrong ratio, which caused non-fissile uranium to fill buffers and back up. I built that system with the assumption that feeding the same amount of rods to each reactor would make their waste output equal - and so feeding NFU with 3 reactors and Pellets with 1 reactor would do so in a 75/25 ratio. That assumption was broken by the pipe-flow-on-loading bug asymmetrically starving NPP's. I had to rebuild it to collect and mix all of the waste from all of the reactors, then re-split and distribute it from there.. so that no matter which reactors stall when, uranium waste and non-fissile uranium are created in the correct ratio and go to the correct machines (no machines full of A while other machines are full of B and neither run).

So this bug was bad enough to make certain simple and logical builds not work, at least not without deliberately working around the issue (such as piping for input>consumption).

[crimson moat]

Literally spent like 20 hours just working around this pipe flow bug because i didn't understand it until after i built big the first time, and i'm not even done mitigating it after that. I hope it's fixed in 1.2.

Some speculation - i think the issue is that the dynamic pressure is reliant on not just where the liquid is, but how the liquid was previously moving - and that said data isn't stored in the save file. At the moment of load, the liquid isn't flowing properly and it takes some seconds to start flowing properly. Every tick before it reaches full flow is lost flow, and in the case where that stalls a producer downstream, essentially (but not literally) deleted liquids.

[frosty owl]

Am I misunderstanding or can this be ignored completely so long as one doesn't have maxed pipes and/or with too little buffering?
Ie: system needs 400/min, due flow issues doesn't get it, but machines can easily keep running for ~60s just with what they have inside + pipework behind and that's enough for fluid to stabilize, leading to no noticeable issue

[frosty owl]

Yeah, sorry about all my bottom-fed pipefolds working

[crimson moat]

Buffering (machine buffers, pipe buffers, actual buffers, or even packages out of an ISC etc) does not fix it because every time you load, part of the buffer is consumed instead of the input.

Amount of liquid in the buffer goes down on load. Amount of liquid in the buffer never goes up because consumption=input.

(deleted a bunch cause incorrect)

[frosty owl]

That doesn't make much sense to me...
Are you saying that the producers will end up backing up on fluid?
Why wouldn't they just send that into pipes, given they have 200/600 aviable throughput?

Ie: unless fluid disappears, if there's room in the pipes the fluid should balance out within them

Funny how that doesn't feel like an answer xD

[crimson moat]

want me to just say "yes" or "no" instead? 😄

[frosty owl]

That would answer my question in a way I can immediately understand, yes 😅 (unless, of course, that is not an aviable answer)

[crimson moat]

TBH i think you are actually right there, if you have flow rate headroom then the downstream extractor shouldn't stall and it should be able to input more later to account for inputting less now, and balance it out. Enough to stop the stalling at least.

This issue is specifically bad for me on pipes of 600/600 water or oil

[frosty owl]

That would make plenty of sense (to me) as they don't have any room to recover from flow issues

[crimson moat]

Yeah i think that is it. Pipe flows at say 200/600 briefly on load, and then it goes back up to 600/600, but that flow that was expected before is gone and it can't be recovered because the pipe cannot do 1000/600 or even 610/600. It gets stuck in the extractor and stalls the extractor, so it's lost. It's not literally deleted, but there is failure to extract.

If you're not drawing [pipe flow rate capacity] then this should be able to correct itself, since the extractor buffer will absorb the "unflowed flow" and send it as extra later.

[frosty owl]

So you eventually see one side starving and one side backing up

[crimson moat]

also due to the mechanism of the problem (dynamic pressure i think) it seems much less bad on mk.1 pipe at 300/300, but probably still there.

[crimson moat]

Yes. Within seconds in my case 😄

[frosty owl]

The nice/bad thing about precise setups

[crimson moat]

Even 2% headroom (e.g. pipe 600 in, consume 588) seems fine as long as you don't spam save/load/save/load (i.e. play normally), but 600 in vs 600 out is really going haywire on load and not recovering promptly. If you save again within like 15 minutes then it hasn't stalled enough machines to fully recover yet and it gets even worse next load.

[frosty owl]

BTW, how did you happen to know about the hoverpack bug?
Did you have to figure out its existence through experience or did you have some more luck, like hearing about it? ^^

[crimson moat]

heard about it ages ago, and avoided multiple grids because of it ever since 😄

I would like to use them, but not with the bug

[frosty owl]

Ahah, the envy 😆
That one is really annoying to nail down by oneself

[frosty owl]

... I found out about it after having made a pretty big factory, so I re-wired things (mainly organized for lighting and light control panels) so that there were just 2 grids and the only point where they met was next to a Plutonium Fuel Rods production line... The thought process was: if you reach here, you'll want to ditch the hoverpack for a hazmat suit anyway (also I put giant "NO HOVERPACK" billboards all over the place)...
Then came the update to use hazmat and hoverpack together

[crimson moat]

this one pipe flow bug is easily half of the errata fixing time on my max nuclear. Most of the rest are other belt/pipe bugs that are known and some of them have been fixed between when i built the stuff and when i turned it on (such as autoconnect between 1.1 and the bugfix - or a +50m pump is incapable of elevating water by 44 meters because of error in pipe height calculation)

[frosty owl]

My autoincorrect is really working overtime lately...

[frosty owl]

"Errata fixing"?
First time I hear that ^^

[deep python]

Is compacted coal worth the hassle? I've just rebuilt my coal plant and was wondering if compacted coal is worth carting the sulfur from my sulfur mine

[crimson moat]

it basically converts sulfur into more coal

not really special or good/bad

[deep python]

Ah, so just keep pumping coal into it, got it 😂

I thought it'd be a better fuel alternative for coal power

[frosty owl]

It's fine to just tell me to Google it myself 😆
I feel bad for using you as a search engine 😅

[crimson moat]

some other minor but definitely existing bugs:

Sometimes when you build a merger/splitter on a belt, the belt isn't remade properly so the merger/splitter isn't connected to it, belt just clips through it. Strange one because it's like "95% of the time it works every time" but i'm certain it does break sometimes. Might be performance related.

Certain types of connections on vertical conveyer lifts are sometimes unconnected after a save and load.

[vapid gorge]

@whole relic pls, in here, it's just much simpler

you can post images directly and you don't have tons of people chatting

[frosty owl]

You're sure that's not a "placing splitter on foundation instead of belt" thing, right?
I can't quite imagine why or how that would happen

[whole relic]

I still have to paste I use discord on my phone and the ss is on my pc

[vapid gorge]

You could download discord for your pc? would skip a step

[crimson moat]

Positive, it's happened right in front of me half a dozen times recently. With floating belts that i am using to place the merger/splitter above ground

[whole relic]

I have but I’m not good at typing on keyboard

[vapid gorge]

whatever you did in discord... seems like madness

modeler

[vapid gorge]

these are example ratios

basically you take a belt of bauxite - figure out what % of the total water used is fresh and what % is waste, then have 2 groups of refineries

like so, blue is fresh water, red is waste

[frosty owl]

Concerning news
Thx for the heads up!

[rain lichen]

just to confirm (cause im not the biggest mathhead out there), 20 * 2.25 IS how you calculate the fuel consumption in a fuel gen at 250% right?

[vapid gorge]

20 x 2.5

[rain lichen]

close enough

[vapid gorge]

xD

[rain lichen]

misremembered the max clockspeed 😭

[vapid gorge]

no, 250% is right, 250% just equals 2.5

[rain lichen]

yyup i meant 2.5

also do smart splitters even work vertically

considering the input indicator is... as the bottom? (yk, my output) i get the impression they dont

[vapid gorge]

well all splitters will split as evenly as possible

smart splitters will be a little different depending on teh comannds you give it ofc

[rain lichen]

yeah i THINK i got it working

problem was
the output i wanted to adjust
was the one with an input indicator 😓
but with some finagling around i got it working somehow

[unique cypress]

Works the same as a regular one

But good luck figuring out which side is left and which one right

[quaint condor]

@unique cypress realized that doing it they way I have been actually used 455.6 less power for the same output, Though it does end up using a total of 82 refineries at the end of the day, I'd say still technically more efficient:

[unique cypress]

I'm gonna be putting this in a 10 TW power plant. Methinks power consumption doesn't matter XD

[quaint condor]

full nuke/fuel and augs?

[unique cypress]

Full nuke + augmenters + mods to make max Ficsonium possible without slooping

2.565 TW of nuclear + 4x augment

[quaint condor]

Start on it yet? Pics?

[unique cypress]

The only pic I have is the plan XD

I'm currently automating shards for it

[quaint condor]

My eeeeyes 🤣 Good luck though! 😛

I'm currently apparently breaking the game and have to wait 4 minutes between placing these bluprints 🤣

[unique cypress]

I was wondering what kinda BP takes 4 minutes to place but yeah that'd do it

[quaint condor]

So far 6 minutes on the one I just placed from that screen shot (placed right at 08:30 🤣 )

[versed violet]

I hope you are using creative save with empty world. Building placement can get really confused when there are multiple objects around.

[alpine steeple]

no

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, for power-generation purposes, it's probably not really worth the effort. It'll give you more energy for your coal, yeah, but I don't think the difference is huge

And you'll probably end up wanting that sulfur for something else later on

I suspect Compacted Coal in coal gens is probably the least-built power gen solution in the game

Though if you want to do it just to have done it, go for it, of course. :) I did a small setup on one of my playthroughs just 'cause I'd not in the past

[prisma hamlet]

I feel like like my 1200MW Bio-Burner plant may be lesser-built

But also, who is out here building that large of a Bio-Burner for use as a backup/jump starter

[frosty owl]

Why build one to start power when you can always just leave your starter one?

[naive haven]

Liquid biofuel in fuel burner generator

[dusky dust]

Hah, fair, yeah. :D

[noble wind]

i need to split 8 belts to six does anybody have a blueprint or a screenshot of a splitter

[unique cypress]

I think I might have one

Or if not, I can definitely make one

In a few hours though

[noble wind]

thank you so much

[unique cypress]

But if it's not for a train, you don't need a proper balancer

[crimson moat]

if all of the belts are equal, you can do this:

1
2
3
4
5
6

7 split into 7a/b/c
7a merge into 1
7b merge into 2
7c merge into 3

8 split into 8a/b/c
8a merge into 4
8b merge into 5
8c merge into 6

if you want to deal with unequal belts but equal outputs, that's more complex

[wind spade]

why not hook each belt to machines that the belt can feed?

[worldly island]

You don't need that as a jump starter you can just use batteries with a power switch.

[mystic steppe]

hmm

[worldly island]

I've done it before and it's worth it only if you have a water source kinda close to both sulfur and coal. The eastern grasslands are the only spot I've seen so far that works.

Blue crater might also work but by that point you'll probably already be onto fuel and thus turbo fuel.

[prisma hamlet]

The Bio-Burner is left over from before I had batteries

[prisma hamlet]

and it's a neat little build so I figured I'd leave it if I ever needed it

[worldly island]

I have a small bio burner setup too, but it's pretty unnecessary. I just have it for a little buffer between my production and capacity.

But seriously I highly recommend you make a blueprint that's just a ton of batteries and before you know it you'll have 69600 MW when you only use 6000MW. (It's helped by the fact my factory runs at like 25% efficiency on average)

[digital wing]

I had some issues i have fixed w my nuclear setup, how can i clear out the excess waste in the power plants

Or should i just wait for it to clean itself

I should have built buffers but im stupid

But now its all running smoothly, slowly slowly all the plants are turning back on

So i imagine itll sort itself out eventually lol?

[dusky dust]

If your next-step processing was engineered for the exact amount of waste you were producing, then the only real way to automatically deal with the excess waste would be to build more processing

[digital wing]

But if some of the machines are turned off, i wont be producing the amount of waste my processing system is designed for

[dusky dust]

Though since you presumably technically have a finite amount of waste to get rid of, you could theoretically go the doggo or toilet route. :)

[digital wing]

So surely eventually itll even out and theyll all start working

[digital wing]

I dont really wanna sit there for an hour flushing like 10k waste hahaha

[dusky dust]

Ah, true, that'd be an option too

[digital wing]

Ima just wait i think, gone up 100k mw in like 5 mins of waiting

So i hope itll all balance itself out

[worldly island]

Or you can turn off keep inventory and hypertube yourself off the map at mach 7 with all the waste.

[worldly island]

You have 8 unsaturated belts that you want turned into 6 saturated belts?

[dusky dust]

That can still leave a death crate with radioactivity on the ground, though

[worldly island]

Would it not be off the map?

I always have keep full inventory on so I don't know how death crates work.

[dusky dust]

The game attempts to put your death crate where you were last touching land. Sometimes it screws that up and the crate can end up somewhere else, though. You could have some success with that method.

Though you could also just save yourself the respawn by building a storage container offshore somewhere and slapping the waste in there. Would be the same thing, in the end.

(Or even do it inland somewhere. It takes a lot of radioactive material for the effects to reach a larger area; the radiation creep often isn't the problem a lot of folks think it is)

(Though, of course, constant waste accumulation in one area could definitely end up with the effect being noticeable throughout one biome, depending on the biome in question)

But a set amount of waste which is never gonna grow would be quite easily contained elsewhere. :)

[worldly island]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-gif-27047773

[old lintel]

i know that overcloaking power is expendatal compered to liner output you get but i cant i figure out the formula

anyone got it?

[unique cypress]

It's on the wiki

[old lintel]

oh wiki
...
its not a fandom wiki is it?

[wind spade]

no

[wind spade]

for machines, they need more power than if you'd build more
for gens, it's linear (they make same amount of power when clocked as when built more)

[dusky dust]

Official wiki is https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/ . At one time the official wiki was a Fandom one, but it was moved over quite awhile ago. (I believe the Fandom one still claims to be "official" even after all this time and plenty of effort spent to get them to stop, but fortunately they seem to have mostly dropped off of search results by now)

[old lintel]

ok good to know
but in this cause im building my first coal power plant and have 2 water extractors feeding into 4 coal generators that. they're getting 1.5x water then they need.

[dusky dust]

Oh hey, no, the word "official" no longer appears on the Fandom page titles! Woo.

To minor victories! 🍷

[wind spade]

afaik we got rid of the "official" a while back

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I must've missed it

[glad apex]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @unique cypress

[wind spade]

apparently all it took was make a ticket 😄 (previously it was directly contacting some wiki staff that said "we'll look into it" afaik)

[graceful dove]

I can do worse

[old lintel]

ticket?

[flat lark]

heres what im working on. how can i make it better?

[graceful dove]

image compression has been unkind to this image

can't read a thing

[wind spade]

you know you can just share a link? 🙂

[dusky dust]

For late-game parts like that I'll nearly always end up chopping the plan into subsections and doing sub-factories for things. IMO it makes the builds a lot more straightforward, even if one or more of them happens to be sited in the same location

So like the entire plan lets you know how much DMC/NP/etc you need; I'll generally end up splitting those off into their own graphs, etc. (For Nuclear Pasta in particular I'll often even have more than one sub-component for those)

Has the benefit of making the graphs a lot easier to read, too

Can use the "Inputs" tab to tell a solver what items you're "importing" to the factory

[flat lark]

i could just go steal the nuclear pasta from my other factory

[frosty owl]

If you want you can get around that by "downloading the original picture"

Or just "download picture", I don't know recall the exact wording of that option

[unique cypress]

which belt do you want

[graceful dove]

do that and it's still blurry

[flat lark]

or js look at the other one

[unique cypress]

just share the link

[frosty owl]

Yeah, that's just a "bad" picture 😆

[unique cypress]

I'd do this probably https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=W4OW4TQFL4fH8D8nEMA1

[flat lark]

yes thats what i used

[unique cypress]

Imma need you to DM/friend me because I can't send BP files here

[tulip fiber]

How well do independent factories hold up in Phase 4 when materials start to get more complex?

[vapid gorge]

perfectly fine? there's basically infinite ways to manage things.
There are also recipes and location combos you can build very high tier items entirely, or nearly entirely on location

[floral mica]

Independent factories work great if you use alternative recipes to mess with the resources and amounts of resources you need like sloppy aluminum and pure aluminum ingot instead of shipping in silica and coal.

[wind spade]

eh, I don't see how pure alu would help you in independency

(apart from giving you less alu per bauxite, which is pretty bad deal imo)

[dusky dust]

One thing to keep in mind is that Independency-style stuff can still make use of subfactories and such. Like for lategame parts, I've probably got them split up geographically between 3-4 (or maybe more!) smaller factories, each doing a dedicated export over to the "next step"

Which is often real helpful because it lets you site those subfactories right where it makes sense, rather than trying to find somewhere where, like, eight different resources happen to be vaguely nearby

[limpid knot]

At 80 Fuel/m, how many fuel-powered generators can I run? I can't seem to find a clear answer about their per minute burn rate of fuel.

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch fuel_generator

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_generator

[vapid gorge]

right in the wiki

[limpid knot]

well, I'll own my shame on that one, it's right there - thank you!

[crimson moat]

p4 is the best case for independant factories IMO

[thorny onyx]

Is it advisable to transport packaged oil via belt far distances instead of in pipes?

Or should I wait and get a train set up to go back and forth

(I don't have drones yet, and vehicles are completely unreliable, even after I built a highway with railings and everything)

And another thing, can you combat sloshing by having the liquid fall a good distance? Like a water tower

[crimson moat]

unfortunately not

[thorny onyx]

Dang.......

[crimson moat]

and: usually just pipe, but most oil is in a good place to process on site

[thorny onyx]

True...... I never thought about not having everything in the exact same place

If I have to make things with oil-based stuff, I'd bet it'd be more efficient to transport the product rather than the raw oil

[pastel obsidian]

Honestly there are no bad ways to transport oil, you can always do a pipeline

[thorny onyx]

They're so messy though.... orange spaghetti thrown onto the ground

[pastel obsidian]

Belt it and do something different 🙂

[crimson moat]

you can make them neat with autoconnect BP

like straight lines and 90 degree curves

[thorny onyx]

I feel like it'd be annoying to try to throw a bunch of blueprints on the ground, but I could see that working actually

I haven't tried it

How far can blueprints be for them to try to autoconnect?

[pastel obsidian]

Sometimes I'll just fill a truck with plastic and rubber and drive it as a hot fix

[crimson moat]

about 50m, but you can place each 50m with two clicks

[cold moth]

Do you think this setup will work, or will the water flow be too unstable/buggy? It’s a water balancer and buffer that goes from 8×600 to 15×320.

[vapid gorge]

this will not do what you think it will, do not do this

fluids just do not do this

[unique cypress]

You cannot build a balancer for pipes

You can try building an 8x15 grid of junctions, and it might work

[vapid gorge]

clock the extractors to put what water you want in the pipe in the first place

[unique cypress]

It definitely would if your pipes were 500 or less, but getting the full 600 might be difficult

[cold moth]

Thanks i wil check and change it

[brisk smelt]

just build an array of 15x300 pipes and crossfeed 15x20=300 from a injector pipe

[tulip fiber]

Actually, this is my first time making factories that aren’t fully standalone. I set up an aluminium plant that does 3k ingots right now, and it should hit 6k once I unlock Miner Mk.3. With a small rebuild, I could push it to around 12k. Aluminium just felt like a good thing to produce in one place and ship everywhere else.

My only problem now is that I have no idea how many RCUs I should be making to stay future-proof. I don’t know if 5 is enough, or 10, or 100. I’m trying to plan ahead, but without experience it’s kinda hard to guess

I can see that RCUs are used in a ton of stuff, which is why I want to 'centralize' their production

[dusky dust]

Yeah, trying to "plan ahead" is, IMO, really just not worth the bother

Even once you're more experienced with the game, you don't necessarily even know what recipes you're gonna end up using for future builds, so knowing how much of something you'll need for the rest of the game is pretty much impossible unless you're willing to literally plan everything out

On my 1.0 save I ended up with three different factories making RCUs for various purposes. :)

It can help to keep in mind that, y'know, even if you did figure out exactly how many RCUs you're gonna need, and then set up that bigger factory, it's still basically the exact same amount of factory that you'd've built if you'd just done it bit by bit as needed

And doing it bit-by-bit might let you have the smaller factories sited in more convenient locations, too -- if you centralize RCUs somewhere, then you've gotta get them over to where they're needed. Whereas if you build new ones fresh, they might be right next door

(Granted, by that point of the game you may have a nice robust train network, plus you're probably about to unlock drones (if you haven't already), so setting up logistics at that point probably isn't a huge deal)

For aluminum in particular, yeah, I too tend to think that it makes sense to at least centralize Ingot production to a degree. How I end up handling aluminum is that I'll sort of max out a single Bauxite node making Ingots (via whatever recipe chain is convenient for the local resources), and send the ingots to a sink. Then, as other factories need aluminum products (sheets/casings/heatsinks/tanks), I'll set up that specific export (like, dedicated ingot-producting machines sending stuff over to wherever needs it). Over time the amount of ingots being sunk shrinks, and when it gets nearly empty, it's time to go set up another aluminum plant

I do tend to produce the sheets/casings/heatsinks/tanks right onsite near the ingots, and ship those rather than the ingots, but in some cases that can depend on local copper availability (so I may end up shipping ingots directly sometimes)

[digital wing]

How do people build these huge refinery towers without running into flowrate issues?

Or am i okay to trust pumps lol

[graceful dove]

Pumps are trustable... What's got you worried about them?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, pumps are entirely reliable so long as you're not pushing your headlift limits to the absolute max

Though in re: fluid-fed towers in specific, the way people build those without running into flowrate issues generally boils down to a lot of debugging when your initial setups inevitably encounter problems. :D

You can do practically anything in the game, even with pipes, but it's often down to how long you're willing to spend figuring out why things have gone wrong. :D

[digital wing]

I just dont trust fluids enough to not have their pipes all level or going down into inputs lol

[digital wing]

What do you mean by this?

I thought you could just stack headlift as much as you wanted no?

[dusky dust]

Like, if you've got a pipe whose headlift is taking you 20m up (which technically means closer to 22m), I wouldn't personally place the next pump right at that 20m mark

I'd put it at like 18 (or even a little below)

[digital wing]

Oh yeah i always put them a bit before the headlift indicator line

[dusky dust]

If you're placing The Next Pump™ right at the headlift limits of the previous pumps, you can get some odd behavior (stuff that seems to work for a bit but then mysteriously fails after awhile, etc)

[digital wing]

Yea lol i learnt that lesson when i made my turbofuel plant

Shit just did not work lol

[steel knot]

What’s the use case for power augmenters? More of a fun project? Or something I should try to get running before I save the day? I made it through my first playthrough without one but wanted to set one up this time around

[tulip fiber]

so i just should make handfull number of rcu-s for personal use and dont care abt future yeah ?

[dusky dust]

Well, as with so much in the game, "should" is entirely up to you. :)

If you want to "overbuild" a large RCU factory and would enjoy the process, go for it

Worst-case scenario is you under-estimated and have to build more factory anyway

That or it turns out you over-estimated so some of that factory is "useless"

But if you had fun building it, who cares? :)

I don't even always follow that advice; on my 1.0 save I actually did literally plan out all my Phase 4+5 Supercomputer requirements ahead of time, so that I could just do a single supercomputer factory

(Though since I'd fully planned it out, I had all the individual exports all ready to go, via separate machines, for when I had the factories built which needed 'em)

[crimson moat]

the use-case is either full map resource builds or, more commonly, building a few to avoid having to make a good powerplant 😄

[unique cypress]

Getting power for free and without effort

Either temporary for opening drop pods, temporary for getting big power plants online, permanent if you just can't be bothered to build more power, or permanent in a max power build

[shadow sinew]

it feels ridiculous that max distilled silica isn´t enough to fill max aluminum production

[unique cypress]

keep in mind that distilled silica has worse silica output than cheap silica

[shadow sinew]

yeah ik, but you still need quartz for other stuff, like oscillators mainly

[unique cypress]

distilled silica + quartz purification has better output than pure quartz + cheap silica, but only if you use all of its output

[shadow sinew]

Aluminum is my main bottleneck resource for my plans so I just have to accept the cost I think

Pure Aluminum has made me weak xd

it kinda hurts, because Pure Aluminum Ingot is such a good recipe, but the question I must answer is how much aluminum I need, and the only valid answer is yes

[crimson moat]

in practice this usually means having some machines doing quartz purification (up to your quartz consumption), and others filling out the rest of the silica via cheap silica

but if you don't have a good plan for that quartz, probably avoid distilled. It's a lot easier to screw yourself over than it is to get the slight efficiency gain if you're not pre planning many products 😄

[shadow sinew]

I do need about 400-450 radio control units per minute, so I will do 5k quartz crystals with that at the very least

the factories I´m setting up I´m taking the time to calculate them for the late late game, even if they still lack stuff like mk3 miners and mk6 belts to reach the actual calculated numbers

[unique cypress]

for what XD

[shadow sinew]

turbomotors for thermal rockets mostly, also using the OC supercomputer recipe and there will also need to be some pressure conversion cube production

[unique cypress]

OC supercomputer is expensive af so you could save yourself some effort by not using it

[shadow sinew]

I´m not planning to make many, I´ll probably switch them out when the thermal rocket production is up to the max I intend, for now I have tons of spare cooling units

so yeah, mostly just Im planning to make 83 thermal rockets per minute before sloops, and using the 9x rcu turbomotor recipe

I haven´t been to tier 9 yet, so I´ll figure out what to do from there, turning as many of those into ballistic drives should mean very good ticket production

[digital wing]

This will be a fuck tonne of tickets lmao

I have like 25 bwd + the other phase 5 parts and breezed through the tickets i needed to buy everything from the shop

[quasi whale]

do you prefer superstate computer?
or base

[vapid gorge]

OC recipe is very pricey in parts

as far as I can tell the only real benefit is probably space saving on production location as its assemblers and fast

[quasi whale]

do you prefer base or the other one then?

[vapid gorge]

depends on the location -
OC is just very resource pricey for benefits I don't like

[quasi whale]

wb around here

[vapid gorge]

I'm sure some people like it for reasons? but it's like Electrode Circuit board. It has reasonable use cases, but I'll always design the factory and location to not need it

[vapid gorge]

it's never so easy as that - what nodes are available? what othe recipes are you using in the chain? how much??

[quasi whale]

30 a minute
every alternate recipes that makes it easier

[vapid gorge]

play around with recipes, compare resource needs, compare location, edit both as needed https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=8clUXC0mmDzzWZgMoGaF

[vapid gorge]

an example squeezing the resources. No idea where woiuld be a good spot for it, look at scim 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=X55ADxaNmaj0vZc8Mhdm

[unique cypress]

Base costs a lot of caterium, but no bauxite, super-state costs bauxite, but is pretty cheap in general

[worn delta]

One pure oil node should be able to make 5 fuel gens run correct? Becaue theast 2 or 3 were not getting any fuel any ideas?

Shiuld pipe be in a straight line? Or does rhat matter

[vapid gorge]

depends on the recipes - do the math

trying to 'math' by number of machines is a really really bad idea

[worn delta]

I was just doing the fuel with the byproduct nothing else.

Just one refinery or so you news multiple ?

[vapid gorge]

I don't know what you mean https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=zQqjpd40i7fzjkUU14G8 here's a plan

[worn delta]

I can't type , is one refinery enough? , unless I'm confused I read that one pure oil node should run 5 fuel.Generators

Had extractor to refinery with just fuel and by product

[dusky dust]

I'd advise against relying on that kind of "knowledge"

Just look at the numbers, and make sure the numbers line up

Saying that "this many extractors/miners/whatever can power this many final machines" relies on so many conditionals that it's just not worth trying to remember stuff like that. Use the in-game numbers (and optionally solvers like sftools or planners like Modeler)

[worn delta]

Ok thanks. Coal sea.souch simpler now lol

I just didn't know ifultiplw refinerys made a difference

[vapid gorge]

where did you read this?

also - don't believe random things you read online

[worn delta]

I swear it was on the wiki

MAybe I misunderstood

I have one pure oil node overclocked to 150%

[vapid gorge]

I gave you a link - it's using 600 oil with the base recipes. Pls use it

[worn delta]

Ok thanks.

[worn delta]

Now I see what I did wrong. Thanks

[unique cypress]

It can do 80 with 2 alt recipes and some water

[worn delta]

Whaaaaa...😂

I ahve one of the alt recipes but can't remember which one.

[shadow sinew]

i prob will end up around that with my current plan after sloops

maybe then I´ll reorganize, but probably not

[digital wing]

Its a lottt of tickets lol

[shadow sinew]

thing is I´ve started planning for this since before I even had particle accelerators unlocked, which was just yesterday after I jerry rigged a temporary fused framework line, so I don´t want to make concrete plans for tier 9, until I actually am tier 9 xd

[digital wing]

Yeh i put my fused modular frames on top of my first aluminium factory. I ship in rcu and hmf to get to pccs.

But like you dont need more than 10 bwd even if you’re trying to buy everything from the shop imo, unless its just a goal of yours to make loads

[shadow sinew]

some of my production lines needed for the 100 thermal rockets per hour are built, but require mk 6 belts for max rate, and I havent built most of the assembler buildings because I want the mk3 designer first

[digital wing]

Yea i bought the stuff from the shop to rush the mk3 designer once i got to t9. Super helpful

[shadow sinew]

so 30 thermal rockets works too

[pallid silo]

Should i rather do manifolds or load balancers early game?

[wind spade]

doesn't matter in the long run, so pick whatever you like more

manifolds are very easy to set up, but need a bit of time to work at 100% (but they work at reduced % from start)

[pallid silo]

Alr thanks

[rough chasm]

Manifolds are usually more expensive cause your main through put you'd wanna use your highest tier belt

[wind spade]

you want to use highest belt everywhere

and if you find your highest belt tier "expensive", then you should automate more of the ingredient

[unique cypress]

You want to use the fastest belts you can everywhere

And every building material is free after you automate it properly

[crimson moat]

consider manifold if you need more than 6 machines for that production step

the main advantage of manifold is that it scales near linearly, while lb scales logarithmically. That means that lb is more effective/efficient with small machine groups, but takes much more time to do with large ones.

[summer flare]

Wdym "scales quadratically"?

[rough chasm]

you don't necessarily need to

[unique cypress]

Need? No. Want? Yes

Or at least there's no practical reason to want to use slower belts

Some like the aesthetic, but that's not practical

[rough chasm]

if something only produces 60 a min unless you are transporting a item across the world there is no point in using a mk6 belt lmao

[unique cypress]

There's also no reason not to

There's no reason to use a mk1 specifically

There are no benefits, only downsides

The items will take longer to get to the end, though that's usually a one-time thing

But if you want to send more than 60 later, you'll need to upgrade the whole thing

A mk6 can handle anything between 0 and 1200 just fine

[unique cypress]

Actually, a manifold scales linearly but a 1:n balancer scales logarithmically

Well, the number of splitters

The area they take up scales much worse

[crimson moat]

Manifold requires n-1 splitters/mergers, so having 2x machines basically means 2x build time / area.

Y-splitting everything gets much more complex and area consuming when scaling up. It takes less/same area and time with few machines, but more with many.

[rough chasm]

i mean fair

you'll still have to upgrade them later more than likely

[hard orbit]

thats a really big word

[wind spade]

For manifold startup it's actually beneficial to use higher belts

[wind spade]

why would you want to upgrade them?

[unique cypress]

god I'm tired. the number of stages scales logarithmically. the number of splitters scales approximately linearly. I think?

yeah, theoretical math and simulations agree on # of splitters being linear with n

but they disagree on the constant 😂

math says 1.5, sim says 0.5

or maybe not?

yeah, ~n/2 looks right

[floral mica]

And this is why hybrid manifolds are perfect.

Linear ish scaling and fully load balanced 👍

[unique cypress]

only if you can match machine's production/consumption to the belt perfectly

[floral mica]

Then I'll say for some setups hybrid manifolds are perfect

When it comes to large basic recipe smelting setups they're great

And for a lot of recipes you can underclock to make hybrid manifolds easier, like setting compacted coal to 20/min instead of 25

[unique cypress]

20 doesn't match any belt?

[floral mica]

Mk1 split into 3

Is a hybrid manifold just splitting off one belt? I've always done hybrid manifolds into more splitters so it's more versatile

And still stackable

[unique cypress]

then you're gonna have to show me what you mean

[floral mica]

Please excuse the shitty Google photos markup

[unique cypress]

idk what I'd call that but yeah that works

[floral mica]

It's what I tend to do for any larger projects

Hybrid hybrid manifold

Manifold balancer

[opaque token]

I wanted to do a quick thing for ficsmas

Now I need 600 gift trees

Thats a total of 1.17M gifts, Wish me luck guys

[unique cypress]

Y?

[dusky dust]

Heh, honestly doesn't sound too outré for a FICSMAS factory. A bit on the large side, but those production lines really do like to eat up gifts. My last FICSMAS factory had about 150 trees, I think

[digital wing]

Do you get to keep the ficsmas cosmetics year round

Like the power power lights for example

[dusky dust]

Yeah, everything you've already placed will stay put, though you won't be able to place any new decorations

[digital wing]

Awesome

Time to make my megafactory and nuclear plant look cool

[dusky dust]

(There are a few placeable items which can be placed whenever, even outside the event, so long as you still have some stored up. Though those are kind of at the fringes of what would be considered decoration. :)

||(Basically just fireworks)||

[rough chasm]

Pov: waits until unlock of mk6 belt to build a factory

[wind spade]

Why tho? You can easily build factory before that

[shadow sinew]

If you aren´t using much turbofuel, what´s a good way to use up the excess sulfur?, compacted steel?, leeched copper?

max nuclear is still gonna leave quite a bit available

[unique cypress]

if I wanted to spend sulfur for whatever reason, I'd spend it on leached caterium

[wind spade]

tbh I'd just leave it around and see in the future if I need some or if it would be good to use it

as you're most likely not gonna run out of most resources anyway

[oblique hollow]

Instant Scrap

[scenic rose]

So with the pipe mechanics does that mean I cannot feed 10 fuel generators enough fuel to keep them running even though I have enough fuel produced I can’t feed all ten fast enough on the last two. So with MK1 pipes does that mean I can only feed 6 fuel generators?

[vapid gorge]

huh?
if you're talking regular fuel 1 generators uses 20 fuel pm
1x mk1 pipe could do 15

[scenic rose]

Yeah but for some reason the last 4 fuel generators aren’t keeping up and I’m confused why. Optimized my set up way better than before but still the last four fuel generators aren’t filling fast enough to stay positive against the consumption rate.

[vapid gorge]

You'd have to show some overhead images of what you're trying to do

10 fuel generators should only need 200 fuel per min - did you follow the fuel back to the fuel producers? were they clogged?

[scenic rose]

Figured it out I threw on two valves on the pipe loop and that solved the issue.

[vapid gorge]

... yeah don't use valves.
or buffers

[vapid gorge]

they'll generally either do nothing or wreck flow

[scenic rose]

Noted.

[rough chasm]

I was joking obviously 🤣🤣

I take it you don't understand sarcasm very well

[outer meteor]

is nuclear even worth it

i did a game and js did fuel then turbo then rocket and it was plenty with like 600 oil for the whole game

[shadow sinew]

Thank you, imma spend literally all my sulfur aside from the one dedicated to nuclear on that xd

[vapid gorge]

Sure, you don’t wind up with fields of hideous gens

[digital wing]

You end up with oceans of nuclear power plants instead :))

[summer nexus]

@knotty vessel

Second example specifically

First example is for context

[knotty vessel]

Ah I see

That’s really interesting

[shadow sinew]

Do you lose a lot of power by not using the cube plutonium rod? Also considering ficsonium

[unique cypress]

Worth the effort? Not really

The resources? Mostly, yeah

Until you do Ficsonium, then absolutely not XD

[shadow sinew]

If you don't do it plutonium is not clean

[unique cypress]

You can sink Plutonium and then it's clean

[shadow sinew]

Yeah, but can't burn it

[unique cypress]

Still better than Ficsonium

If the 630 GW you can get from uranium isn't enough, then just make more uranium ore

And that's cheaper and easier than Ficsonium

[shadow sinew]

Fair enough

[wind spade]

But not as cool 🙂

[vapid gorge]

?? You need 10 fuel gens for 1 nuclear. That is not a field

[digital wing]

It was only a joke lol

[shadow sinew]

You need a field of water collectors though

[wind spade]

You need that for diluted fuel as well

[shadow sinew]

Dilute fuel you need a field for every part of the process yes

[digital wing]

Fuck refineries

[unique cypress]

For 630 GW of rocket fuel, you need 250 machines and 2500 gens (and 15 water extractors)

For 630 GW of clean nuclear you need 1500 machines, 250 gens, and 500 water extractors

Assuming everything at 100% speed

[wind spade]

Depends on recipes

[vapid gorge]

under it though

[tribal ravine]

Ok, i need help with effective iron plating factory

[wind spade]

what does "effective" mean in this context?

[tribal ravine]

2 normal iron ores mk1 miner give me 10 plates per minute

15 plates would be nice

[wind spade]

if you want more... you need to make more 🙂

[tribal ravine]

I am in phase 0

[wind spade]

you can also have a look at other recipes, if you'd like those more 🤷 but generally if you want more production, you need to build more factory. That's the basic gameplay loop

[vapid gorge]

use 50% more iron

You're in the pre tutorial - just keep pressing forward

[tribal ravine]

Snitched reinforced plate recepture need 60/min cooper and 90/min iron, where basuc one use 120/min iron. But snitched one is 15/min instead of 10/min with normal

This mean i need to tchrow away 30/min iron for higher effecinienty

[wind spade]

snitched plates sound fun 😄

[tribal ravine]

I forgot about underclocking mechanic

I will be fine

[wind spade]

efficiency is 100% if machines run at 100%

[tribal ravine]

Yea yea, i now know.

Only i need to explore clocking

[unique cypress]

And it's not like it matters

[tribal ravine]

I life in right corner

[unique cypress]

Getting 100% uptime by underclocking only saves you a tiny amount of power

Unless you build a lot of extra machines to underclock them more

[wind spade]

well the game is about expanding a lot, so where you are now doesn't really matter

[tribal ravine]

I need underclock miner to mine 90 iron instead of 120

[wind spade]

big advantage for new players is that they can look at lights and see if things work fine

[unique cypress]

Or you can just leave it and it'll run 75% of the time

[unique cypress]

I mean that helps in general, but I achieve that without over/underclocking.

I just scale my factories to the output of n machines at 100% for the final product. If they're at 100% uptime, everything is working as it should