math-and-meta

[visual yarrow]

It's pre-1.0 and requires uncapped Uobjects. Is that a problem?

[oblique hollow]

Oh thats a big save

[visual yarrow]

Yeaaaah.

[oblique hollow]

I can try lol

I might not be able to find it then though. Big world and all that

[visual yarrow]

I actually remember the exact place. Let me load it up in calc to make sure I have the right save.

Also, for clarification's sake, this is just the most recent/prominent example of something like this happening. I've had similar things happen in the past.

Alright, well, satisfactory calc is currently melting into slag.

I don't know how helpful this image is, but it's about as much as I can actually get right now, heh.

And it's specifically this spot in the spire coast. The foundation lined area was the "problem" area that I worked on. There's height changes and such after that point.

Okay. I respect you too much to subject you to attempting to load this save.

I'm also not noticing as many pumps as I remember, so I now don't quite trust my own memory of this specific build. Hrm.

Okay, that's enough inducing madness by attempting to view that save in satisfactory calc. How about I just tell you if and when I experience a similar situation?

All things considered, it was a solved problem. Only reason it became a thing is because I couldn't convince people that the issue I was having was solved in the way it was, and moreso that I couldn't stop trying to convince people. So as to not go back down that rabbit hole, I am going to leave it at that.

[orchid brook]

I have 3 belts of 270 coal and each coal gen takes 15 on 100% OC as well as 45 water per min

If I wanna overcook the gens so I only use 50 water per gen how much coal am I gone use as well per gen

I am outside rn so i wanna know so when I come home ik what to do straight away

[unique cypress]

if you want them to use 50 water, the clock speed will be 100*50/45 or 111.1111%. that means the coal consumption will be 15*50/45 or 16.666665

[frigid maple]

made a modular frame factory
4/min

ill prb make it 8

[wind zinc]

next big ish project..

[knotty hornet]

Nice, love it. Awesome way to get a ton of both out of the same raw.

[still blade]

I finally got around to starting to build the power plant, the heavy oil residue refineries are placed. Now i've got to deal with checks notes 2,720 packaged water per minute. That... sure will be fun to belt. At least it's a 1:1 ratio with refineries

[wind spade]

if you're doing diluted packaged fuel, I'd recommend building a blueprint with 1 refinery and two packagers, looping the belt and putting 20 canisters in a building, then just spam that blueprint as many times as you need 😉

[still blade]

why two packagers for one refinery? one for water and one to unpack the fuel?

[wind spade]

yeah

it's 1:1:1 ratio

[knotty hornet]

1 to pack water, refinery to dilute, 1 to unpack fuel

Then the containers just loop through

[still blade]

...wouldn't it be easier to pipe the water to a separate bottling area and belt the water from there?

[wind spade]

and point is to not centralise belts for the canisters, instead having a small loop with a few canisters

[wind spade]

no, because then you have to have gigantic manifolds full of canisters and have a lot of them (but not too much to let it fill and stop)

[still blade]

interesting

ended up unable to fit two packagers with the refinery in a comfortable, tileable way in a bluprint, so im just doing the refinery + unpackaged fuel one and simply add the water packagers ahead of time

[brisk smelt]

cursed extractor

[visual yarrow]

is there any particular reason y'all aren't just using the blender diluted fuel recipe?

not unlocked?

[still blade]

i remember when blueprints first came out, there was a bug where you could put a water extractor in a blueprints and place them anywhere

[still blade]

only tier 6, no blender yet

and numbers wise its the same, just gotta add some packagers

[brisk smelt]

i don't think anyone DOESN'T use it...

[visual yarrow]

yeah. I just personally don't start doing diluted fuel until I have the blender recipe

[brisk smelt]

well ofc abover tier 6 but yeah

[still blade]

well 2.4k MW aint cutting it so im making 34k

[brisk smelt]

3600 rubber 3600 plastic 🙏 SCIM to the rescue

[visual yarrow]

but my playstyle is also a bit nonstandard, since I tend to:

• use less power than most people
• loot more crash sites earlier than most people
• use more blender recipes that are strictly inferior to alternates solely because I like the blender than most people
• progress faster than most people because I play more than most people

i think i've said before how my 1.0 release save, I completely skipped on coal, fuel, and nuclear until after I had beaten phase 5?

i've skipped coal plenty of times before, fuel some times, but I wanted to see if I could do it this way. and I could.

[spare kernel]

Math wise, is it smart to do 5x 25 Nuclear Power Plant rows when im creating 25 Uranium Fuel rods /min. Shall I do less Power plants in a row, for example 10x 12,5 or isnt this a factor?

[visual yarrow]

so there's two factors you need to take into consideration: how evenly the rods are split, and the throughput of the waste return belts

actually, no, one more factor: 25 uranium fuel rods/m is I think 125 nuclear plants

are you sure you want to do that

[brisk smelt]

plants burn at 0.5/min, so i would say do rows of 10

[spare kernel]

I already have everything

[visual yarrow]

let me rephrase

[spare kernel]

Its just about placing them now

[unique cypress]

if overclocked. 0.2/min at 100%

[visual yarrow]

have you considered overclocking

[brisk smelt]

it's not have you considered... it's please for the love of god please please overclock npp....

[spare kernel]

No, I havent unlocked automated shards yet

[brisk smelt]

oh nvm then 😭

[hoary rose]

hey, so i need some help whit a 5 to 9 load balancing , i can't work it out the "design"

[visual yarrow]

you do not need that many power shards

[unique cypress]

you don't need to tho?

[spare kernel]

Yeah, I dont want to farm the slugs xD

[unique cypress]

you'd only need 150 shards

[visual yarrow]

you can jaunt around the spire coast for like twelve minutes and you'll be fine

[spare kernel]

How many reactors would I need then?

[unique cypress]

2.5x fewer

[visual yarrow]

that's the beauty of it

[unique cypress]

so 50

[visual yarrow]

you can decide for yourself

[brisk smelt]

LCM is 45, so split 5 into 15 then into 45, then merge 5 inputs each for 9 outputs

[visual yarrow]

for instance?

64 reactors, set to a clock speed of 195.3125%

[brisk smelt]

whats the point 💀 water extractors are the more annoying part, not the reactors

you still would need 2:1

[visual yarrow]

suddenly you have a power of two. that means you can do an 8x8 grid of reactors, easily split the fuel rods to minimize ambient radiation

[hoary rose]

ah rigtig ty

[spare kernel]

How many power shards would I need?

[visual yarrow]

of course if you don't care about ambient radiation then I guess it doesn't matter. but tbh I think it's worth going for nuclear plants that you can walk around in without consuming filters

128, for 64 at 195.3125%

the other thing I mentioned though, and this is more important, is the waste return belts.

so 12500% clockspeed worth of uranium fuel rods would produce I believe... 1250 uranium waste/m?

[unique cypress]

does LCM work? like LCM(4, 4) = 4 and splitting 4 into 4 and then merging into 4 doesn't make a balancer
I feel like you need to split into n*m

[visual yarrow]

so actually first of all, you do have waste reprocessing planned, right?

[spare kernel]

Yes, its all already built

[brisk smelt]

its n*m if the belts aren't balanced in the first place

[visual yarrow]

gotcha.

[brisk smelt]

but if you have 5 even inputs

[visual yarrow]

well, you will need at least two belts given that the waste production is over 1,200/m

[spare kernel]

Its just about the placing of the Power Plants, cuz I was worried that a manifold wouldnt do its job

[unique cypress]

... the point of a balancer is that they aren't

[spare kernel]

Thats fine

[visual yarrow]

it will take a pretty damn long time for a manifold to saturate all those nuclear plants. and they'll be very radioactive. that's something to consider

[spare kernel]

So I built 25 in a row, thats pretty damn much

[unique cypress]

put the water extractors on a switch and turn them off while the power plants fill with rods
it'll only take like 4 hours

if you keep the water on, it'll take literal days

[brisk smelt]

that method will get you a giant red blob on the calculator lmao

[visual yarrow]

this is how I set up nuclear plants on an old save of mine. i designed them to be placed above their water extractors, which eliminates the need to deal with routing water from outside the brick of reactors

yes it did use a pump, but it's a 200% clockspeed nuclear reactor so like. so the hell what

[spare kernel]

Yeah, Problem is that I dont have an plan for the sulfuric acid, because it goes into reprocessing to non fissle

[visual yarrow]

usually, encased uranium cells are produced by recycling the sulfuric acid into itself

[haughty barn]

Since you can’t bp water extractors I have an unaligned mess underneath the reactors

[brisk smelt]

i use this design personally

[spare kernel]

Actually smart, I thought about a 5x10 mk2 pipe wall

[brisk smelt]

scim to the rescue once again

[spare kernel]

whats scim xD

[visual yarrow]

i have a trick to keeping water extractors lined up, actually

[unique cypress]

nah, you can align them to foundations with junctions and the clipping notification

[haughty barn]

It’s hidden and I don’t care

[brisk smelt]

calculator map, ie cheat console

[visual yarrow]

yeah, that's the trick. that's literally the trick.

[brisk smelt]

i use all the time i've had enough with building haha

the amount of buildings you need to milk the map is just ridiculous i can't do it by hand

[spare kernel]

I use Satisfactory tools, but the map is useful tho

[visual yarrow]

i only use the map these days to show people how ridiculously overbuilt my railways are

i don't even use it for sloops or harddrives anymore because i've practically memorized the locations, lol..

[spare kernel]

How many hours you got xD

[visual yarrow]

i did use to use it for the sole purpose of teleporting myself home when I really, really didn't want to bother

[unique cypress]

keep inventory -> respawn is faster

[unique cypress]

dayum 3x more than me

[visual yarrow]

nah. i have standards and pride. and also it causes bugs

[brisk smelt]

just put yourself on a train to where you need to go, taske a break smh

come back in 5 minutes

[visual yarrow]

well thats the thing

i have railways. i dont have trains or stations. (well, I have like two trains.

[brisk smelt]

build one when you need to go somewhere then dism it

[visual yarrow]

of course, in my current save, I have packaged ionized fuel so I just kinda. touhou in the direction I want to go.

[spare kernel]

I just realised another problem with 5x 25, Im reaching the border welp

[visual yarrow]

yeah but I can't let it autopilot because I don't have stations that aren't being used, yknow?

[unique cypress]

when youre near the border, check whether the water is actual water

[spare kernel]

What else could it be? Is is bugged?

[visual yarrow]

and if i'm going to be manually heading back, I think it might actually be faster with slide jumping and ionized fuel

[unique cypress]

just visual. not possible to swim in it or place extractors on it

[visual yarrow]

but either way, teleporting myself home is something I did years ago. usually after using hypertube cannons (which I also don't use anymore)

oh I forgot. one time a doggo of mine fell out of the map and I edited the save to rescue him. it may have.. taken a few attempts to find a safe z level

it may also have been way more hilarious than it should have been when the z level was unsafe, given that I loaded the game facing the exact location I was bringing him to

in other news, I have found a new hobby: trapping wild doggos on extremely uncomfortable elevator rides.

[visual yarrow]

is it possible to get a lift-placed conveyor splitter than inputs horizontally and splits both up and down? I get the impression that no, there isn't, but if i'm mistaken, i'm curious as to the method of doing this

also for clarification, any methods I would be interested in must not take 15+ minutes to achieve, require mods, or ritual sacrifices

[brisk urchin]

only mods

[visual yarrow]

ah well. thanks for sharing.

on a completely different note... how do people feel about the project part alternate recipes, these days? historically, i've always considered them very underwhelming, but i've been trying to do new things I don't normally do on this save, and I was curious (if highly doubtful) if the general perception of them has improved

[brisk urchin]

some are worth it

some are not

[visual yarrow]

hmm. probably the same ones I remember, then

[brisk urchin]

i never used any alts at project parts so eh

idk

[visual yarrow]

huh. there's actually only just the three. for some reason I thought there were more.

...yeah, it's just really hard to justify swapping from assemblers for manufacturers

[brisk smelt]

oh.... fuck me

[visual yarrow]

cough silica cough

[brisk smelt]

i don't think i can afford to use quartz

[brisk urchin]

blueprint ✨

[brisk smelt]

im doing no SAM

[visual yarrow]

what is the correlation between sam and quartz? other than coloration

[brisk smelt]

all of the quartz is being used elsewhere

[modern bramble]

does anyone know a good plan to turn a very intermittent 375 copper ingot belt into something more smooth?

[lone igloo]

use quartz for diamonds later save them. and he dont wanna use sam for quartz later

[visual yarrow]

i have to ask what you're using all that quartz for without aluminum

[brisk smelt]

and probably fisconium later... lol

[brisk urchin]

nice 50 uranium rods

means all 2100 uranium

[visual yarrow]

but... many of those things need aluminum

[brisk smelt]

2083.33 but yeah

[unique cypress]

50.4 is all uranium

[visual yarrow]

or wait, maybe I shouldnt have assumed that pure aluminum was the result of all your bauxite

[brisk smelt]

no im using all 12300

might as well..

[visual yarrow]

maybe consider distilled silica?

or "distillica"

[brisk urchin]

dam

[brisk smelt]

didnt even know that recipe existed until now 💀

oh its a 1.0

[unique cypress]

did you not turn on all recipes in Tools?

[brisk smelt]

weighted resource usage algo never considers sillica based recipes for aluminum

[unique cypress]

also, if you use all bauxite on this, you won't be able to make ficsonium

[visual yarrow]

can't do ficsonium without sam though

[unique cypress]

it uses distilled silica tho

and it does use default alu ingots if you run out of bauxite

or if you force it

[brisk smelt]

hmmm

i think i can scrape enough dmr off byproducts though

[unique cypress]

there's also ficsite

you need a ton of SAM for that as well

even more if you don't have alu left

[visual yarrow]

i assumed all sam was being saved for ficsite

[brisk smelt]

yeah

probably gonna do iron... limit is 70k on the map or something

seems the one to make the most sense

[unique cypress]

that's gonna cost double the SAM tho

[visual yarrow]

there's 92100 iron

[brisk smelt]

i disabled SAM usage anywhere else it'll be fine

[visual yarrow]

...wait, 2100 uranium?

im suddenly confused and I don't know why

[brisk urchin]

3 inpure and 2 normal

[brisk smelt]

? theres always been

[visual yarrow]

OH, right

[unique cypress]

nope. there used to be 1800

[visual yarrow]

because that one node became impure when the fifth was added

[modern bramble]

asking again (yes i know i asked like 5 minutes ago but i really really need this), does anyone know a good way to smooth out an irregular output? i have 10 refineries making copper ingots and the belt monitor graph looks like a heart attack

[brisk urchin]

lower belts?

[unique cypress]

why do you need it to be smooth?

[visual yarrow]

so i've been considering this myself

[brisk smelt]

lower mark belt, split into multiples and re-merge

[modern bramble]

autism with a pinch of ocd

[visual yarrow]

but I do have questions.

[modern bramble]

thats why

[unique cypress]

remove the monitor then

won't see the spikes

[modern bramble]

you do have a point-

[visual yarrow]

number one, are your refineries all at the same clock speed

[deft lichen]

This problem is entirely caused by the fact that they added the monitors in 1.1

[visual yarrow]

and if so, what is it

[deft lichen]

ALL per min values are average values

[modern bramble]

so you're saying have a belt get split in 2 mk3 belts and remerge?

[visual yarrow]

the issue is that you can't adjust the interval it tracks

[modern bramble]

yeah all 100%, 150 ore in 375 ingot out

[brisk smelt]

split into belts all of which are at their maximum throughput so theres no gaps

[deft lichen]

If you're making 0.2 fuel rods per min and moving them on a mk6 belt, there's a brief moment when you're making 1200/min and a long period when you're making 0/min

[visual yarrow]

to get an accurate reading you want recipe times that align with the minute it tracks

[brisk smelt]

for example on a mk6 belt you have 540, split into 2x mk3 and merge the 2 mk3's

for non-multiples it's a giant headache

[modern bramble]

hmm what about a smart splitter putting 270 on an mk3 and the rest on an mk2?

[visual yarrow]

mmhmm, 375 is a bit of an awkward one for this

[unique cypress]

use loopback

[modern bramble]

tried, caused a backlog for some reason

[visual yarrow]

it's all about belt tempo. my favorite subject

[unique cypress]

prolly cause you did it wrong 💀

[modern bramble]

likely

[visual yarrow]

okay, what if.. you split the output belts in a way that you had several belts with more consistent readings

[unique cypress]

build a 480 -> 375+105 splitter, then loop back the 105 with a prio merger

[spiral blade]

Y'all know if there's any way to severely reduce the SAM ore required for producing ficsonium? I've set up 360 plutonium reactors with a 100% efficiency supply expecting I could turn all the waste into ficsonium, but from my calculations I would need a whopping 30K SAM per minute to make it work💀

[unique cypress]

nope. thank the devs for making it so shit

[visual yarrow]

then ran them against a wall, and then put a sign with a giant + between each logistics display

ugh for the fifteenth time:

ficsonium is not supposed to let you fully utilize all plutonium

it is designed to let you make small completely waste-free nuclear setups

[unique cypress]

why not tho?

[visual yarrow]

game balance

[spiral blade]

I wouldn't mind the supply being a net neutral as it is, but the fact that it's resource restricted makes zero sense to me

Like

[modern bramble]

ok so what youre saying is, prio merger with priority from the back, which goes into a smart splitter sending 270 off to a mk3 and the rest back into the prio?

[visual yarrow]

or, put it another way:

it's supposed to be an alternative for a different playstyle

[spiral blade]

They implemented it to get rid of ppl just sinking plutonium rods

[unique cypress]

I did not say any of this

[modern bramble]

i clearly misunderstood

[visual yarrow]

for people who don't want to make hundreds of nuclear plants

[unique cypress]

except you can still sink them and it's both easier and cheaper

[spiral blade]

And I'm exchange they showed us they didn't run the math of that physcotic recipe and ppl still sink plutonium rods

[visual yarrow]

but in order for ficsonium to be balanced on the small scale it's intended for, it can't be viable on a large scale

[spiral blade]

Hell nah I'm doing that after setting up 360 reactors

I'd rather download a mod that lets me sink plutonium waste

[visual yarrow]

interesting. my usual response after setting up 12 reactors is "yeah, no, i'm sinking the plutonium rods, no more reactors"

[unique cypress]

why do people keep saying "it's intended for this" or "it's intended for that". if it was intended for any of this, y'all would agree on what it's intended for

[spiral blade]

Stupid problems requires stupid solutions

[visual yarrow]

because other people are wrong and stupid, and I am correct

it's very simple

[unique cypress]

and so I spent a month making mod to make it better kekw

[visual yarrow]

okay on a serious note: i'm only speculating based on how the game has historically been balanced

[wind spade]

I keep saying the same thing and haven't changed that yet 🤷

[unique cypress]

I have no clue what it's intended for, because the devs didn't say shit and I see no practical use for it

[spiral blade]

changed recipe or just for sinking?

[unique cypress]

added a bunch of alts

[visual yarrow]

it's still not as bad as alien power matrices.

[spiral blade]

can you hmu with a link? i'll be looking at options later tonight

[unique cypress]

oh, no APMs are much better

[unique cypress]

I've got all my mods in my bio

[visual yarrow]

i am going to have to agree to disagree with you there

[modern bramble]

kyo if you dont mind i dont fully understand what you meant earlier, could you elaborate a bit?

[spiral blade]

sick, ill have a look 👍

ngl dude

[unique cypress]

they're actually a huge net positive at large production

max power uses 9 out of the 10 possible augmenters

[spiral blade]

if you disagree that ficsonium production chain is broken, you are just outright wrong

[visual yarrow]

no, because that is not the definition of broken

it works as it states it does

[spiral blade]

mathmatically and in terms of game mechanics, there is no possitives

[visual yarrow]

it might be unbalanced. it might be suboptimal

[spiral blade]

if it was just net neutral it would be no problem

[visual yarrow]

but it isn't broken. broken means nonfunctional. broken is doors that don't preserve their auto-open setting between save and load

[spiral blade]

and thats what it was intended for

but it's not just net neutral, it's limited by resources, thus limiting your plutonium production heavily

[visual yarrow]

and that's the problem that i'm trying to explain: you're approaching it from a different mindset than it was designed for

[unique cypress]

What I described there is basically a belt limiter. the belt at full speed is 480, you want only 375. the difference is 105. so you do a loop back in such a way that 375 goes in, combines with loopback, creates a completely full belt, then that gets split into 375 and whatever gets looped back. in this case 105

[unique cypress]

how tf do you know what it was designed for

the devs didn't say shit about it

[visual yarrow]

the fact that you can't turn all the possible plutonium waste into ficsonium?

[spiral blade]

dude is snuts alt

trust

[visual yarrow]

like come on, this is basic logic

[spiral blade]

talking to a wall

[unique cypress]

how do you even know they did the math and not just pulled the numbers out of their ass?

[visual yarrow]

sorry, im being needlessly insulting

[floral mica]

Ficsoniums fun

[visual yarrow]

i suppose I don't, but I have little reason to believe that they did, because looking at all of the other numbers used across the game shows that there's a lot of thought put into them and how they interact

[unique cypress]

Like I spent 3 weeks balancing 10 recipes. How much time are they willing to spend on balance? especially when the guy in charge of balance before 1.0, left before 1.0

[spiral blade]

wasting all SAM resources in the entire map < Storage container tower to store plutonium for a hundred years

[visual yarrow]

and i've planned out small scale waste free nuclear setups

[spiral blade]

sure, small scale

[visual yarrow]

see because here's the reality that I just realized based on what you said

[unique cypress]

it's still worse than sinking plutonium, regardless of scale

[spiral blade]

yup

[modern bramble]

yeah but how exactly do i tell the game to send 375 one way and 105 the other

[visual yarrow]

they added ficsonium because of people like you complaining about not being able to burn plutonium without having to deal with the consequences

you want to have your yellowcake and eat it too

[unique cypress]

build a ratio splitter for those numbers

[spiral blade]

and they aren't changing it cause they see ppl who haven't done the math

[modern bramble]

oh god no the nightmares

[unique cypress]

I literally built a max size nuke plant with waste storage in U6

I do not care about having waste storage

[floral mica]

You could split off 120, split into 8 and merge 7 of them together, and merge the remaining 15 back into the 360

[visual yarrow]

okay then. so just to make sure i'm on the same page

[unique cypress]

I wouldn't mind it much if storing waste was still better than making ficsonium. but it's literally worse than the other waste-free option. which makes no sense game-balance-wise

[modern bramble]

i got like half a square meter of space i dont think i can pull that off

[visual yarrow]

your problem is that it's more efficient to use your resources to make more plutonium rods, instead of touching ficsonium at all

is that correct?

[modern bramble]

oh whatever ill probably use idk a buffer ill come up with something

[spiral blade]

my problem is its physically impossible in the game to recycle the plutonium waste you produce

[floral mica]

2 mk1 belts, split one into 4 and merge 3 of those with the other mk1 and 360?

[visual yarrow]

that is factually incorrect, unless you are literally saying that the recipe doesn't work at all.

[floral mica]

Too much space?

[unique cypress]

*more uranium rods. cause those are burned. plutonium is just for sinking so you make whatever you need to get rid of the waste

but otherwise mostly yes

[spiral blade]

30k sam ore to recycle from 360 plutonium reactors, there is only 10k available in the entire map

[unique cypress]

I'm also salty I can't realistically use all uranium on ficsonium, but that's a me issue

[spiral blade]

even if i was insane enough to make a factory to recycle it all, i would be 3x sam cap short

and keep in mind

[visual yarrow]

okay. I think I understand your PoV now. here's mine: ficsonium was not designed for you. it was not designed for people who want to build 360 plutonium reactors and produce more power than anyone can conceivably use

[spiral blade]

i'm only using 600 uranium pr.min

way off the cap

[visual yarrow]

it was designed for people who want to make things like this

[still blade]

ah yes, a 46 refinery manifold, that sure wont cause any logistical problems

[floral mica]

I think ficsonium makes a bit more sense for casual players who aren't making 360 plutonium plants

[brisk smelt]

what the hell could u possibly even be making...

[visual yarrow]

only 46?

[floral mica]

I haven't tried ficsonium and I'm terrified now but maybe that's just it

[still blade]

34k MW worth of fuel :3

[spiral blade]

don't bother, just sink your plutonium

[unique cypress]

ah, so you've decided to ignore one thing I said and said the exact same thing again for the 3rd time. cool

[spiral blade]

don't bother, he doesn't listen

[visual yarrow]

okay, what did I ignore? chat was moving fast. I may have misunderstood something.

[unique cypress]

I replied to this saying that yes, that is basically my main issue

that it's better to make more uranium and sink plutonium than to make ficsonium

[visual yarrow]

you say better, but in what way?

[unique cypress]

cheaper, easier, same result

unlocked earlier too

if the cheaper and easier way was unlocked later, that would totally make sense

[visual yarrow]

so here's what I don't understand about what you're saying

and let me preface this by explaining that I always approach nuclear by starting with a set amount of uranium I plan to use

how does not using ficsonium let you get more uranium/plutonium?

[deft lichen]

I remain unconvinced ficsonium has no place in the nuclear chain

It was perfectly fine without it

[visual yarrow]

was that an intentional double negative

[spiral blade]

-in it's current state

[deft lichen]

Well of course

[unique cypress]

why would you think that setting only a uranium limit is a fair comparison

it's a resource like any other

you can just get more

from conversion, even, when 2100 isn't enough

and it's still cheaper than ficsonium

[spiral blade]

yea there's plenty of uranium lmao

[visual yarrow]

based on what

[unique cypress]

I could say I can get infnitely more power per SAM from uranium than ficsonium

because uranium doesn't use any SAM

[spiral blade]

based on the fact that you can run 432 reactors off of 600 uranium alone

[unique cypress]

so it's infinitely better, then?

[spiral blade]

like

[unique cypress]

that's with sloops tho

[visual yarrow]

okay... what if, bear with me for a moment...

what if some of us find the idea of a lower-quantity but more complex production line more fun than making 432 reactors

[spiral blade]

in my case, i had a bigger issue finding enough large water buildspace for all the pumps than i had getting enough uranium

[visual yarrow]

i have always disliked building power generation because it invariably becomes building more generators than I care to

[spiral blade]

are you also running all the worst recipes in your factory?

[visual yarrow]

ah, so now we're just insulting my playstyle instead of meaningfully answering my point

[spiral blade]

what???

[unique cypress]

the fact that you don't care about it being objectively worse doesn't make it not objectively worse

[spiral blade]

litterally talking to a wall

[visual yarrow]

to make sure there is no confusion, let me ask you if I am interpreting this correctly:

[unique cypress]

it just makes it subjectively better for you

[spiral blade]

i'm out, i'm done trying to explain this

[visual yarrow]

you are saying that it is objectively better to build as many nuclear reactors as physically possible, in every possible case?

[narrow dock]

how hard is it to make aluminum water feed back into itself? Can I just use priority pipe junctions or will that eventually back up?

[spiral blade]

good luck in ficsonium utopia

[unique cypress]

I'm still comparing sinking plutonium vs making ficsonium. PER MW PRODUCED

[spiral blade]

but hey, thanks for making a mod to change the T9 slop

[unique cypress]

I'm not even talking about resource limits, or the maximum possible

PER MW BOTH OPTIONS REQUIRE THE SAME NUMBER OF REACTORS

[visual yarrow]

please just answer the question

[unique cypress]

IN FACT, FICSONIUM NEEDS MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING MORE POWER MAKING IT

[visual yarrow]

I asked it for a specific reason.

[spiral blade]

fr is he ragebaiting at this point

Hi mom, he got me

[visual yarrow]

i'm really not.

[unique cypress]

I thought that me starting to write in all caps would make it clear that the answer was no

[visual yarrow]

and yet you did not actually say that the answer was no until just now. so, moving on. what is, from your point of view, the "point" you are optimizing for?

what is the goal?

is it to produce as much power as possible? is it to use a specific amount of resource? is it not something that's clearly defined?

[unique cypress]

I keep saying that per MW, sinking plutonium is cheaper and easier than ficsonium

so the goal clearly is making power, however much you want

1 GW, 1 TW, doesn't matter

[visual yarrow]

wait, wait

are you saying that to produce an equivalent amount of power that making ficsonium would provide, it would be cheaper and easier to sink plutonium and make more uranium rods?

[unique cypress]

YES

does "cheaper and easier per MW" not make that obvious?

[visual yarrow]

okay. that's the thing I was missing. that is the complete opposite of how I approach the nuclear power process. sorry that it took so long for that to click

[visual ocean]

Why are my batteries charging when I have no power grid disruption?

[deft lichen]

You can use priority junctions, but I personally use and recommend separating fresh and recycled refineries into 2 groups

[visual yarrow]

do you mean discharging?

[unique cypress]

because you just placed/connected one?

[hoary oar]

blue is charging, orange is discharging

[visual yarrow]

objectively? I don't know. to me? sometimes things just don't make sense to me in ways that they do to other people, and vice versa.

[visual ocean]

I haven't. I've been building a train track

[unique cypress]

like the fact that it's at an hour (the minimum charging time) suggests that it has just been connected to power

[visual ocean]

I have power issues, but it's those fluctuations you see. I need to fix other things first though

[hoary oar]

did you maybe disconnect something at some point, added batteries to that, and just now reconnected it?
because 59m 49s charging time looks very much like you just connected a battery 11 seconds ago

[wind spade]

*power storage 🙂

[visual ocean]

Yeah, that's why I'm confused

[woven stirrup]

if i have a manifold but i don't need the full miner output (underclock), does it still run at 100%?

[wind spade]

yes

[hoary oar]

the miner will start and stop, but you'll have enough material on the belt

[visual yarrow]

so here's my take, with the clarifications established in mind. I see all potential costs as opportunity costs. so while making more uranium rods can produce the same amount of MW as processing ficsonium, I find the opportunity costs of those two options as being entirely subjective

[woven stirrup]

some smelters are also underclocked

[visual yarrow]

and the way that I weigh various costs differs significantly than from most people

[visual ocean]

i only have 5 power storages, kinda forgotten. 2 of them are at 99% charge

But they have 100/100 stored charge xD

[hoary oar]

well unless you had power issues, it's gotta be a recently connected power storage
there's literally no other way to get that

maybe you built one somewhere and completly forgot about it, idk

[visual yarrow]

so when I look at the full nuclear chain, what I see is a collection of tasks and things to build. the fact that I can get more uranium from another node becomes a less valuable option when I, for example, put a lot of effort into the whole process of turning one node into fuel rods.

it becomes just repeating something i've already done once. and realistically? by the time nuclear has been set up, I am never going to need more power.

but what ficsonium is, is more challenging. it needs more effort. but it also needs effort applied in different ways.

maybe the reward isn't worth it to some people. for me, the actual power has no meaning. i'm likely not going to ever need it in the first place.

but in a hypothetical situation where I know exactly how much power I need, I would rather do the full nuclear chain

and the thing is, it IS underpowered. and you know what? they can't just change recipe numbers every month to balance things

[visual ocean]

I was messing with a megaprint earlier tho for a nice clean hub which had loads of power storages. However I deleted it because it was full of issues, even tho it was a good design.
Maybe it's bugging out..

[visual yarrow]

that's why it took so long to have any sort of production gameplay-related content between update 4 and 1.0

i am now noticing that I think the people I was talking to have left

eh.

[deft lichen]

It's pointless to build many power storages (over 100) before you have fluctuating consumption (tier 8/9)

[visual yarrow]

i tried, I guess.

[deft lichen]

Power storages don't solve the core issue of not having enough power

[visual yarrow]

geothermal geothermal geothermal

[deft lichen]

unless you use them to smooth the graph

[deft lichen]

Ah yes that too

[hoary oar]

if anything goes wrong with a power plant i'd rather have power storages, they're not useless, what?

[visual yarrow]

Actually, there is an argument to be made that power storages can be used to help advance phases in bursts, using overclocked and slooped machines.

[visual ocean]

I'm at tier 8 rn, but preparing for the real stuff. Since its my 1st playthrough I kinda rushed the tiers and find myself underprepared for what's to come

[visual yarrow]

i'm going to assume that was a wrong reply

[unique cypress]

I used 1000s of power storage to boot up power plants that I couldn't sustain without their output

[deft lichen]

No my point was that people build farms with 100s or 1000s of them while they could be building power plants

[deft lichen]

You know what you're doing, I'm giving general advice

[visual yarrow]

Power plants cost resources.

Also, you can force fluctuating power consumption by undersupplying machines, technically.

Not sure how the math would work out.

[deft lichen]

I'm not saying that they're useless, I'm saying people just build too many of them for little benefit

[visual yarrow]

They're just really addictive to build, honestly.

[hoary oar]

im confused as to why you would build another power plant, instead of having a backup emergency plan for when something goes wrong

[visual yarrow]

And they're good for fitting into those little spots you can't find anything else to put in.

[deft lichen]

If "something goes wrong" then it's been wrong the entire time like ticking time bomb

[visual yarrow]

Oh, no no no. No.

[deft lichen]

Factories are either guaranteed to work or not

[visual yarrow]

NOPE. Wrong. 100% wrong.

[visual ocean]

I got 5 atm. Could use a few more acouple days when I had a power outage (i deleted the worst pipe possible)

[visual yarrow]

I have had factories (pipes) fail for literally no apparent reason.

And have fixed them by doing essentially nothing.

[unique cypress]

and I've had pipes fix themselves for no reason too

[hoary oar]

yeah, but not everyone has 15k hours in the game and knows every single detail on how something can go wrong
and sometimes shit just happens, like right now in 1.1 there is a bug with drones that very rarely just makes them stop working. if that happens to something important to your power plant.. what. should have planned for that?

[visual yarrow]

There is always also simple player error. Accidentally undersupplying your power when you try routing some of the resource fueling it to an expansion.

[visual ocean]

I mean the trains are buggy as hell with the whole docking stuff

[visual yarrow]

Or, earlier today, I expanded my rail network, and for whatever reason, one of my trains stopped seeing a junction as a valid turn and started using a new route that involved looping around the map twice.

[hoary oar]

i've heard about 1 person having issues with trains, as in actual bugs. because of the cartograph mod.
but i havent seen anything about vanilla trains having bugs like that

[visual ocean]

I had that issue, in a much smaller scale. I used bps for those tracks and somehow the right side was fine but the left was invalid

[visual yarrow]

So, I may be mistaken, but rail junctions are limited to three connections on a split, no?

[unique cypress]

well, 4 connections. 1 in 3 out

[deft lichen]

@visual yarrow hmmm hmmm, I see your point but I don't think it disproves mine, those are all cases of it being wrong

[hoary oar]

you can place more, by locking it in place, but im not sure if they actually work

[visual yarrow]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Wasn't sure how to put it.

[deft lichen]

I think that got patched

At least I couldn't get it to work in 1.1

[hoary oar]

oh, yeah havent tried in 1.1 i think

[visual ocean]

There is a docking bug i believe. I kept having it on the same station. Changed trains, changed the freights, replaced station, rails. It was a sulfur train feeding my TF plant

[visual yarrow]

Basically, I added a third rail branching from an existing two-rail split.

It, for some reason, invalidated one of the existing routes and treated it as if it was not there, even when I manually drove.

[hoary oar]

fair enough.
but yeah, point stands, there is stuff that can go wrong, that's completly outside of your control
so i would very much argue that power storages aren't pointless before tier 8-9

[visual yarrow]

I ended up just having the turn start at a different point in the track.

[deft lichen]

I didn't say that 😭

They're NOT poinless, but they're not useful enough to warrant building 1000s of them

[visual yarrow]

Also, not everyone fully sinks everything. Sometimes people just let factories back up and stop. Power storages can let you overbuild a bit since factories will only run when you use some of the resource they make.

[hoary oar]

i can see not needing thousands
but 100 seems like a low number, that's not gonna keep stuff running long enough for most people to get it fixed

[visual yarrow]

Oh, I think that's just because they're small and thus easy to blueprint en-masse.

[visual ocean]

I would need around 200 for a power outage to be meaninless

[deft lichen]

Plus imo priority power switches can be used extensively to prevent a potentially catastrophic global blackout (as in difficult to recover from)

[visual yarrow]

I'm going to make a comparison to another game I like, and a certain habit of the playerbase I despise

[hoary oar]

i would agree
and its good practice to use them
but you can definitely argue that priority switches is something newer players are less likely to use than power storages

[visual yarrow]

Oxygen not included- people LOVE the concept of "SPOMs"- self powering oxygen machines. I do not, because the way most people design them results in a closed circuit that's isolated from the rest of the power grid.

[hoary oar]

i mean i can take my own 1st playthrough as an example
i didnt use them until the 1st time something went catastrophically wrong

[deft lichen]

Yeah, they require understanding and planning to be effective, PS are the simplest possible thing

[visual yarrow]

Conversely, I think it's a lot better to directly connect your oxygen production to your power grid, and use the ingame logic gates to prioritize your oxygen supply, while also letting excess power that's generated from the hydrogen the electrolysis produces help the rest of the grid.

It accomplishes the same end result, but instead of having an isolated black box that is a single point of failure for everything, you have an interconnected system with contingencies and fallbacks.

I kind of forgot where I was going with this. The Rodriguez sucks.

[hoary oar]

also personal pet peeve, power switches and even light switches pause machines for a split second when you switch from one side of the grid to the other with the hoverpack, so i had to stop using them, cause i don't like my factories not working at a perfect 100%

[visual yarrow]

wait, what?

[deft lichen]

Hmmm, I can chip in that I see no benefit to separated power grids in this game either

[deft lichen]

Honorary feature at this point given how long that's been in the game

[visual yarrow]

To be clear, there is a difference between completely isolated and conditionally isolated. Just want to establish that.

[deft lichen]

Going between power grids with the hoverpack causes machines to idle briefly

[visual yarrow]

Oh, as in, not connected to the same... power... thing

[flint oyster]

Since i updated to 1.1 i can't select hi res screenshot anymore.... does anybody know how to do it?

[deft lichen]

Exactly, same thing here, isolated grids are bad whereas conditionally isolated grids (prio switches) are good

[visual yarrow]

Okay, that explains why I have never run into that. I am pretty obsessive compulsive about keeping that all connected.

[hoary oar]

https://youtu.be/R4mAfNiXJKY?si=h1zkRPolMHciFoMr&t=5272
1:27:52 timestamp

[visual yarrow]

Honestly, thinking about it, I don't think i've ever actually had one of my priority power switches toggle something off.

How do I be less power efficient?

[hoary oar]

in a perfect world, they arent needed

so.. you're clearly living in a perfect world xd

[visual yarrow]

Well, not really, given that I keep the whole thing off until it's ready to start, and thus it makes using the hover pack a pain.

Yes, that is entirely my own fault.

[deft lichen]

See my point from earlier 😛

Just uhhh build stuff right and nothing will go wrong 😛 😛

[visual ocean]

troubleshooting that must have been a nightmare

[unique cypress]

In my 1.0 world, I haven't used a single prio switch, and I was forced to add one singular power storage due to a bug

[hoary oar]

another reason to build power storages

they look cool

[visual yarrow]

I'm confused. How do people even get completely separate power grids with enough power on them to run a hover pack?

[unique cypress]

a power plant on each one I'm guessing

[hoary oar]

there's people that have 2 seperate grids, 1 for anything variable, like trains and endgame machines, and the other for anything that has a consistent power consumption

[visual yarrow]

Oh, those people.

[hoary oar]

there's also geothermal, i for example use some geothermal to power nearby miners on sulfur

but don't have it connected to the main grid

[visual yarrow]

Hiding all their quantum encoders away in the closet.

I see that straight line graph, and yet I know it's as crooked as your deeds

I use geothermal to procrastinate on building better power production

(And I also connect the geysers while grabbing hard drives and stuff.)

[hoary oar]

i try to keep my production as a flat line, or at least as flat as it can get with trains running
but consumption.. not crazy enough to seperate that

[visual yarrow]

I like the smooth curve of a non-synchronized full geothermal set.

[unique cypress]

kinda hard to synchronize them now

or rather perfectly de-synchronize them

since that's what gives you a flat graph

[visual yarrow]

Is that because of the additional ones changing the uh. math?

[unique cypress]

no, it's because the phase of the sine wave is now random

[visual yarrow]

ahh.

[unique cypress]

it used to start at 0 whenever you placed one

so you only needed to time the placement

now you gotta play the phase lottery

[visual yarrow]

I guess they considered that an exploit, since geothermal is specifically designed to be used with power storage.

Presumably (my own speculation) as a way of making a "free" power source have some gameplay element to handle.

But given the Mordor-esque craggy peaks that phase 5 machines produce consumption lines of, I like that tranquil, smooth curve of steady geothermal. It's sort of zen.

[unique cypress]

I mean theoretically you only need to get them out of phase in pairs

so you don't have to get them spaced exactly every 2pi/n

that'd be horrible

[visual yarrow]

There's 31 of them now, I believe.

[unique cypress]

but as a final f-u, there's an odd number of every purity iirc

so you have to have at least one triplet

[visual yarrow]

I do believe that was probably deliberate.

[hoary oar]

the one thing that annoys me the most about power tho, is that quantum encoders seem to not calculate their max consumption correctly
currently my actual consumption peaks over my supposed max consumption line by quite a large margin

[visual yarrow]

I don't think anything calculates max consumption correctly.

[hoary oar]

this just looks so wrong

[unique cypress]

this is what my 1.0 world looks at save load

[visual yarrow]

Wait, where is y'alls tiny little bit of extra biomass burner power capacity?

[unique cypress]

wtf max consumption

[hoary oar]

i never keep biomass connected, or even around, they always get deleted once coal is up

[unique cypress]

same

I am offended I cannot remove the 2 gens in the HUB

[visual yarrow]

Hmm. I find it to remain useful even after coal is running.

It's sort of like super early game power storage.

[unique cypress]

while true, I do generally do not find power storage useful

[visual yarrow]

But then again, my entire early game strategy is "build lots of biomass burners so I can go run around the countryside for hours"

[hoary oar]

i roughly know how much power im gonna need until i get to fuel, so there's not really any point for me

[visual yarrow]

Or maybe it's just because i've gotten better at building them in places that aren't... in the way of other things I want to build.

[hoary oar]

also i don't like deforesting beautiful nature, unless i have to because its in the way

[unique cypress]

it's never in the way

you can just build over it

[visual yarrow]

I feel the same, but I also feel like a whole lot of it is in the way.

[hoary oar]

nah, i like to build on and with the terrain

[visual yarrow]

Honestly, a preserved tree with a giant concrete slab roof over it is somehow worse to me than a blown up tree and ground level concrete.

[hoary oar]

yeah im not gonna leave trees just because they're not clipping
i leave trees that i think actually look good, or i can properly build around

[visual yarrow]

I appreciate that they seem to have made certain foliage types only destructible with nobelisks.

Like the big coral... trees.

[unique cypress]

what is this, #design-and-architecture? In #math-and-meta, we build floating concrete platforms because that's efficient

[visual yarrow]

It's even more efficient to build ground level concrete platforms because it takes less energy to reach them.

Also, I frequently forget that there are even two separate channels I frequent and just kind of use them interchangeably.

Though I suppose that a lot of my thoughts on design happens to involve math...

[hoary oar]

just how it goes, someone asks a question in the proper channel, a discussion starts, and somehow morphs in to a discussion completly unrelated to what the channel is supposed to be for

[visual yarrow]

While it's on the mind...

[unique cypress]

Never thought I'd ever write the words "octuple compressed cobblestone" in #satisfactory and it making complete sense in context, and yet today I did

[visual yarrow]

Those oasises up on the dune desert cliffs. Whyyyy do they have to put spore flowers right next to the lovely trees??

[hoary oar]

octuple compressed cobblestone is a classic tho

[visual yarrow]

Actually, on that note, why do they seem to love putting wild doggo spawnpoints directly along natural roads...

[unique cypress]

So you get to find them

And then ragdoll them with a truck

[visual yarrow]

Well, not just ragdoll them...

But it's really specifically the places that are clearly designed for vehicles. Like sure, sometimes you find some that are just kinda near nodes or.... there's that really weird tree in the titan forest that has some kind of lizard doggo cult procession around it.

I was scouting out truck routes earlier and almost every single one I started to think looked promising had a dopey little moron who would gleefully waltz into the path of the an automated truck without a care in the damn world, waiting in the bushes, eagerly looking forward to, unlike that SCARY PIONEER that's standing twenty feet away staring at a bunch of concrete, the completely innocuous and normal truck that is about to kinetically apply hot, burning rubber to it's abruptly limp and lifeless corpse, which is punted a distance away into the bushes as rigor mortis sets in.

All its thoughts, carefree dreams of paleberries and cool stream water, snuffed out as it's life is ended because of it's own ignorance and naivety. Two doggo pups approach their soon to be cold parent. One noses the still figure. Why, they wonder. Why are they not moving? They do not understand. They will then proceed to wander into an industrial site and one will fall into a motor assembler's input port, while the other ends up on a conveyor belt that leads to a nuclear waste processing site. It will avoid being processed in acid, but the intense radiation will weaken it, and it's last breath will be spent crawling towards a blurry red shape that just might be a paleberry... but it is not a paleberry, and the pup is no more.

It was a light indicating biological contamination in the reactor chamber. Cute, stupid, little doggos.

Eventually, a fence was placed around the truck routes. A doggo was found the next day, lodged halfway into the fence in an attempt to reach a paleberry bush. It is still attempting to reach it.

Techncially, the fence is a success. The doggo is extracted, and placed in what is essentially protective custody and it is the best thing ever!!! It has completely forgotten about it's parent and it's sibling. Ever since it fell into a motor assembler input port and caused a major production delay while inexplicably avoiding being horribly maimed, it hasn't had time to think about existentialism, because there have been so many THINGS to look at! Wow! Crude oil! Let's drink it! It tastes terrible! Let's drink more! Yawn! Oh wow! A paleberry, next to that very large moving object behind that screen fence! Better try to reach the paleberry! Still can't reach it! Gotta keep trying!

This proceeds for nine hours, through the night. It does not sleep. It is still trying to get the paleberry.

[sour bison]

is 100 turbofuel gens good for phase 3-4?

[visual yarrow]

It's probably massively overkill.

[sour bison]

overkill is fun

[visual yarrow]

But it would help proceeding onto phase 5, so..

So here's something to note- 100 turbofuel generators is the same as any other fuel generator.

[lone igloo]

Quick question, heat fused frames are much cheaper on aluminum correct?

[visual yarrow]

Generally, yes.

[lone igloo]

probably will set that up ngl

[visual yarrow]

It's actually my favorite recipe.

[lone igloo]

I dont need massive setup for it 9/min will do me good

I was just looking threw recipies and 3 /min on normal requires 150 casings which is already more than 150 ingots as alclad casings 112.5 for 150 ingots and 75 copper

[visual yarrow]

The main thing to watch out for is that... actually, no, it's just a great recipe.

[lone igloo]

so yeah that recipie is fcking HUGE to same aluminum as my current setup I made only makes 1680 ingots and I want to make em last to get alot of basic setup for phase 4 stuff so I can spam and have backup of things for building probably like 10k aluminum factory

[visual yarrow]

The only negative I can actually think of is that fused modular frames are just not actually needed in large amounts.

[lone igloo]

No they're not so 9 /min will do me solid asf

[visual yarrow]

Mm... well, let me rephrase. The biggest use of fused modular frames that isn't for building things is for PCCs, which also use RCUs as another aluminum-hungry part.

[lone igloo]

I need fused frames automated Radio control units and something else cant remember rn

oh yeah turbo motors

[unique cypress]

100 fuel gens is 100 fuel gens, regardless of fuel

[visual yarrow]

A lot of the higher end phase 4 parts kind of have the same "issue"- the phase 5 parts that use them don't really need more of them than you needed to unlock them in the first place.

Hell, biochemical sculptors quadruple your assembly director systems.

[unique cypress]

You could get 162 gens from that amount of oil and no sulfur or coal

[sour bison]

but turbo

🤤

[unique cypress]

Turbo doesn't mean good

I made that mistake only once

[sour bison]

i don't want to do double the amount of pipework for normal fuel

[visual yarrow]

Last time I did turbofuel was pre-1.0.

Turbo blend fuel, of course. My reasoning was that it made for good vehicle fuel, too.

But rocket and ionized fuel have supplanted that purpose.

[merry sedge]

shouldn't it say 3?

[visual yarrow]

No.

Because pipes are omnidirectional.

[unique cypress]

Last time I did turbofuel was before drones

[unique cypress]

"omni" is a bit of a stretch when there are only 2 directions

[visual yarrow]

It's not a stretch, it's an absolute. And there are up to four directions.

Junctions don't care about the axis the connections are on relative to one another.

They don't even really exist in terms of the pipe network.

They just cause up to four pipes to be connected. The junction itself is a nonentity to them.

[floral mica]

Can I suggest using diluted packaged fuel alt? Add in some water to get 2:1 HOR to fuel

[unique cypress]

The junction has an internal liquid buffer

Like all liquid related objects

[visual yarrow]

If that is the case, that is extremely new information to me.

.....But it doesn't actually change anything in this case. It's still connecting four directions because, unlike belts, fluids can travel back the way they came.

But it's also 100% semantics.

My passion.

[merry sedge]

but it wouldnt be ''split'' in 4 ways then

it would be split in 3 ways

because always 1 one pipe will be the input which will split it to the other 3

[visual yarrow]

No. That pipe is not the input. It's an input, and an output, as are all the others.

[lone igloo]

is the orignal recipie for cooling system just easier to use than having to make motors?

[visual yarrow]

The order you connect them doesn't matter. The moment you place the junction, the split occurs in that the junction now exists.

[unique cypress]

It can split 4 ways. When emptying itself, fluid can go all 4 ways

[visual yarrow]

Fun fact: the original recipe used to be WAY better than the alt.

[lone igloo]

used* to be. No more?

[merry sedge]

checkmate

[visual yarrow]

Nowadays the only real benefit is slightly faster production and less complicated materials.

[unique cypress]

When?

[visual yarrow]

Prior to 1.0

[lone igloo]

I mean I can just make it part of my turbo motor facility as I will be making motors on the spot there so might aswell use the alt right?

[visual yarrow]

Because Cooling Device used to cost more heat sinks per CS than the normal recipe

[unique cypress]

Huh, they did change it. But it wasn't that much different

The default uses more than double the nitrogen tho

[visual yarrow]

Back then, I remember aluminum being THE big bottleneck for everything.

Yeah, but nitrogen was used exclusively in aluminum-related recipes, in ways that meant that it just wasn't as crucial as your aluminum stock.

[unique cypress]

Still kinda is. Just got overshadowed by SAM

[visual yarrow]

But cooling devices were (still are?) kind of underutilized in the first place.

[unique cypress]

They are used in 3 whole buildings

[lone igloo]

Cooling System, Radio Control Unit and Turbo Motors all in 1 facility ah. All use similar items and some used in each other recepies.

[visual yarrow]

Yeah, now they are. But particle accelerators used to be barely used.

[unique cypress]

I'm also making supercomputers and fused frames with those

[visual yarrow]

and the three recipes cooling systems are used for- one is a project part, which is the main use, arguably.

One is the default turbo motor recipe- not a bad recipe, but the alternates are all good.

[lone igloo]

Yeah thinking making massive facility for them combined too.

[visual yarrow]

Then there's OC supercomputers, which used to be terrible, and is now.... situational.

[unique cypress]

And the other 2 are bad

[lone igloo]

As I need computers on site and fused frames can just be addon to the side of the facility

Its time to start massive project for 5 different items in 1 facility 🙂

[visual yarrow]

One nice thing about default turbo motors and OC supercomputers is that they share ingredients. If you can make turbo motors, you can make OC supercomputers.

And you can get away with, like, a single OC supercomputer assembler and sloop it, for a lot of practical purposes.

[lone igloo]

I got my super comps setup next to my starter 9/min comp just running atm xD

[visual yarrow]

It loses out in large scale resource utilization, but it's great for when you just need a small income of supercomputers for, say, miners mk3

[lone igloo]

and particle accelerators

[unique cypress]

And encoders and NPPs

[lone igloo]

thats in phase 5 so nothing for me to worry about for now.

[visual yarrow]

I like how you guys left out the one thing that consumes a decent rate of supercomputers.

[lone igloo]

Do you guys use drones alot?

[visual yarrow]

Yes.

ADSes.

[lone igloo]

I guess you'll use classic battery right?

[visual yarrow]

No, I use ionized fuel.

[unique cypress]

Ew why would I automate project parts

[visual yarrow]

Oh, drones don't specifically need batteries anymore.

[lone igloo]

explain further please 🙂

[hoary oar]

i beat phase 5 with hand feeding machines and now im automating phase 5 parts for sink points, lol

[visual yarrow]

Drones can use packaged petroleum-based fuel.

[lone igloo]

Turbo?

[visual yarrow]

And... also nuclear fuel rods, but that's generally silly.

[unique cypress]

I don't. Whenever I'm transporting anything long distances, I'm transporting a lot so on a train it goes

If you're sinking Plutonium, it can be a great drone fuel instead

[sour bison]

are trucks as inconsistent as people say they are?

[visual yarrow]

No.

They just take getting used to.

[sour bison]

wdym?

[visual yarrow]

They used to be way worse, and people kind of hold that against them.

[hoary oar]

trucks just need a lot of space, more than you think

[unique cypress]

I haven't used trucks since like U2 lmao

[hoary oar]

and generally its advised to keep the number of trucks low to avoid collisions

but they can work very reliably

[visual yarrow]

And draw your routes well.

That's the part that takes getting used to. It's impossible to really explain it, you just have to get a feel for it, honestly.

[visual yarrow]

A well-drawn route can have multiple trucks running on it simultaneously, allowing for absolutely incredible potential throughput. A poorly drawn route is more like bumper cars.

You can even have routes cross each other. They won't actually have collision unless you're close enough in the first place, but they'll ghost back on track even if they do collide.

[sour bison]

is this enough space?

[visual yarrow]

For trucks going straight? Yes. It's turning that you need the space for, though.

[hoary oar]

turns and stations
for straights you can get away with a 3 foundation wide road, 1.5 for each. preferably 4 foundations tho

[visual yarrow]

I like adding extra lanes to drive on myself with an explorer to get around.

Well, at least prior to ionized fuel and becoming a winged cataclysm of forbidden esoterica and bombs.

[sour bison]

i can turn fine on the road

[visual yarrow]

Yes, you can, but a truck following the waypoints you place when you record the path may not.

The part you have to get used to is the way those waypoints are placed- how frequently, how things like the distance between them affects truck speed, etc.

Tractors are actually entirely viable, and are somewhat easier to control, IMO, as well as having smaller models and thus requiring less space to manuever, if you want to try them.

[sour bison]

might just go with belts

[old zephyr]

can someone double check my math

😭 i feel dumb

40 reinforced plates a min
8 assemblers
240 plates a min
480 screws a min
12 constructors making 240 plates a min
360 iron ingots a min
12 constructors making 480 screws a min
120 iron rods a min
8 constructors making 15 rods a min
120 iron ingots a min
480 ingots incoming

[visual yarrow]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[old zephyr]

oh my god where has this been

[visual yarrow]

It's been waiting for you. It's ready for you to love it. Offer yourself to it.

...Goodness, I am in a strange mood tonight.

[old zephyr]

so my math was right but lowkey doing it in my head felt more

satisfying

[visual yarrow]

Quick search (N) works as a calculator, also.

I do macro-scale planning with satisfactory tools, but smaller details in my head.

[old zephyr]

yeah well this one is pretty small

Im so far in the game and dont even have small dedicated factories for stuff like metal plates

kept just changing my base factory to match the project parts needed

no more!

[visual yarrow]

Honestly, i'm in the last phase (though i've beaten the game before) and I still haven't automated several things from, like, phase 3.

[cerulean stratus]

honestly playing that way is more fun

[old zephyr]

i really like mega building and heavy automation so

[cerulean stratus]

I prefer the chaos

But I want to see it organized

I want to expand in a controlled way

I just realized

Aluminum wants coal and petroleum coke close

and now I realize why

Because that's how it can burn the excess water!

through coal powered generators!

[unique cypress]

Factorio has a way to automatically get rid of unwanted liquids for free. Why can't we?

[balmy sandal]

Whelp It took like a week but I have finally automated motors stators m. Frames and HMF. now to sleep while I let those fill my d3imentional storage and backup storage container.

Next is some electronic components

[old zephyr]

the fiifth to last smelter in my manifold is not getting enough iron, even though im bringing the right amount in (480 on mk 4) a min for 12 smelters

is it because it hasnt had enough time to fill up? should I stop the ingot lines and let them all fill up then replace the ingot lines

[brisk smelt]

take a stack from the origin and plop into the last machine

[old zephyr]

well my miners are operating at 66%

[hoary oar]

miner is set to 480 and is not running at 100%?

you got a lower tier belt somewhere on the main line

[old zephyr]

i just checked it its mark 4 all the way through

[hoary oar]

check near splitters and mergers, there could be a tiny tiny bit of lower tier belt somewhere

[old zephyr]

OMG

there was a tier 3 in the manifold

whoopsies

[hoary oar]

general recommendation to avoid this kind of stuff is to place splitters and mergers before you place the belt

[old zephyr]

this one specifically cause I just used my mk 3 blueprint and just upgraded the belts, and yeah

gotta go fix that bp

[hoary oar]

because this primarily happens when you place them directly on to the belt, and you happen to place them between 2 bits of the belt.
when you then later on upgrade the belt you might not see that small section that got cut off

here for example, you can barely see it, and you can't even highlight it, but there's a tiny bit of mk1 in there

[brisk smelt]

scim to the rescue! select all upgrade haha

[old zephyr]

so now my smelters are idoling 😭

[hoary oar]

probably because the manifold still has to fill everything up

the first couple should be running at a 100%, and the rest should slowly over like 3-4mins get there as well

[old zephyr]

waiting on screws

shocker

[hoary oar]

with alt recipes you can pretty much completly ignore screws thankfully

i have not used screws in any production line outside of tier 1 and 2 temporary factories in a very long time

[old zephyr]

I wanted to use them for this fact since it was relatively small, and I didnt wanna bring copper in, my two drills got it just fine

I gotta get a more organized ore highway 😭

[hoary oar]

reinforced iron plates?

[old zephyr]

yeah

[hoary oar]

there is an alternate for creating wire from iron

[old zephyr]

I could cut out a whole manifold

ok time to go searching'

[crimson moat]

got a few hrs more work in

i will have to extend this to fit all of the refineries for pure recipies

[still blade]

Looks great and congrats on the milestone of HMF. But… unless you’re unlocking research or handcrafting, stators are unfortunately kinda useless as an end product, since they’re not used to build anything. You should be fine with having them stuffed in a depot, without dedicating a wall slot for them.

[balmy sandal]

thanks for the advice. mostly the stators are for hand crafting but... I'll show you this mess (only a mess because I haven't cleaned it up between projects.)

This is my temporary factory floor where I make prooject assembly parts. the wall slot (while also used for storage and sending to my depot are for temporarily feeding machines for parts I haven't automated yet or for project assembly.

so If I need say a bunch of computers of and unlock I can just run belts from the storage to a temp production line so I don't have to hand feed. and since it's my central storage and everything comes here it's really convenient!

[still blade]

trust me, there are worse messes than yours, I’m dealing with the logistical nightmare that is feeding 6 belts and 3 pipes into a 46 refinery manifold

I will say this though, if all you’re doing right now is temp production, make small production lines from nearby nodes for all the stuff you need, don’t shy from alt recipes and OC, and maybe make some handfed lines

For example, I have a slooped constructor that I feed stuff I find when exploring

[balmy sandal]

Ah see every wall slot is being fed by a satellite factory dedicated to the production of that Item and the temp production lines are to get enough materials to make the next factory. (I hate hand crafting lol)

I too use a slooped constructor for foraged items

[still blade]

honestly fair. I might have to set up another encased beans factory since I keep running out of them (apparently building a six lane bus of Mk4 belts across half a biome is expensive)

Haven’t even gotten around to central storage yet, so there’s that

[balmy sandal]

TBF the central storage isn't super necessary (unless you do the weird crap i'm doing) once you have depots. you can just put them at the end of your production line wherever same as you would a sink. then you have it autofed to your inventory all the time.

[young agate]

What aren't you crafting-?

[crimson moat]

that is (most of) the powerplant

most of the world resources are reserved for making parts and assembly stuff which isn't even started. Good benchmark save 😄

[silent shoal]

Does anyone know why the numbers reset when I move the water in the marked way? Is this a bad connection?

[frosty owl]

Which nodes' numbers?

You can also just add a screenshot of the "changed numbers" ^^

[silent shoal]

all of them...

[frosty owl]

Not sure as it might depend on the Scrap connection too (and the following production chain).
Have you tried setting an output or number of machines for any of the nodes?

Try sharing the whole aluminum chain for more clarity

[silent shoal]

Yes, in several places to get the final amount I want and an excessive amount...
If it's something with the modeler I can ignore it... The question is if it's if I'll have a problem with the game itself...

[frosty owl]

Why would you have a problem with the game?! O.o

I... Don't understand the connection here

[frosty owl]

In any case, things like this usually can be fixed (even ignoring the rest of the production chain) by using splitters/mergers to handle the "double input" for water, making sure to prioritize the byproduct water ofc.
Iirc, that kinda "forces" the solution you're trying to get

[balmy sandal]

If you are worried it's resetting because it won't work in game then no worries. it will. I haven't used that modler but I have seen people in the discord mentioning that it specifically gets weird when you are trying to feed back the water. so it's def. a problem with the modler and not the model.

[frosty owl]

Yeah, such software cares about recipes, nothing else... Like: you can't move thousands of water/min with one connection, but that's what planners do... because (sorry if I can't explain this, it just seems obvious/I'm missing what's confusing about it)

[silent shoal]

❤️

[balmy sandal]

I was like "man! I'm sure using a lot of power! look at my max consumption!" but then I realized I had 4 slooped manufacturers just sitting hooked up at my base doing nothing. Turns out I have a ton of overhead! and more sloops than I thought. lol

[still blade]

That’s a fair argument, but I like to sometimes build big (case in point, the 46 refinery manifold) and even with a fully upgraded manifold, 2.5k concrete sometimes isn’t enough. I’m thinking to make a central storage of common building items (concrete, plates, rods, etc) and every other production item I’ll shove into a depot

now if i do that, the question is if i wall-slot or depot dump silica, since i like to build with glass

[frosty owl]

Do remember that you can use multiple Depots for the same item too ^^

[fallow siren]

i set my calculation to manual and it works perfectly fine

[still blade]

isnt there a global stack limit though? i dont really care about how fast i get the items in, i care more about the quantity

[silent shoal]

How did you do that?

[fallow siren]

the only number i did is 600/min baux, the rest calculate itself

[silent shoal]

Nice thanks

[upbeat turtle]

how do you guys get that i kinda need it right now

[silent shoal]

get what?

[white zealot]

the calculator

[upbeat turtle]

i was talking about the tool but i found it

[unique cypress]

If Modeler zeros out your plan, it won't work in-game if built exactly like it is in Modeler. Just merging fresh and byproduct water will cause the entire thing to deadlock and produce exactly what Modeler says it will - 0

Same thing when you're dealing with oil products, use up some but not all the resin and don't add an overflow to sink. It'll deadlock on resin. Same thing in Modeler; it'll also zero everything out

[near hatch]

is this kind of balancing can "slow down" the belts ?

I'm not getting constant 780 items/minute from the monitors and the storage units are always full

[wind spade]

the monitors are afaik not reliable source of throughput number

[fallow siren]

not very reliable, they also very poor when it comes to calculating item in bursts

[near hatch]

oh ok

good to know thanks

[unique cypress]

This isn't balancing in the first place

Also, throughput monitors are, as far as I can tell, perfectly accurate if averaged over a long enough time

It's just that a minute isn't always enough time

[near hatch]

new arrows are smart spitters that output the overflow

[unique cypress]

If the output belts were free to move, there wouldn't be any items on the overflow belts

And it's still not a balancer

[fallow siren]

makes it kinda useless bcs everytime you load a save, it will reset the calculation

[severe girder]

Alternative recipes, whats the fastest way to get then? Ive just finished my highest factory, taking in about 6,000 items a minute. My first ever big factory. Im currently making inside of this iron into iron and 800 rods into 3,200 screws a minute. I’ve been told there are better ways of doing this xD

[wind spade]

well, depends on what you mean by "better"

there are definitely different ways to do it. Whether you think of them as better or not is up to you

for screws, there's ways to make them out of steel or aluminum

(also, I wouldn't recommend making them in a central place like you do)

[severe girder]

Les resources or easier to get resources -> the same output is my better

[severe girder]

I make them at the factory, Thats far from my main base. I will be relaying the final products of the factory to my main base and a neat storage system

[silent shoal]

will it work? 1:1 ratio

[wind spade]

yes, but why the junctions?

[wind spade]

well, as I said, you can make screws out of steel or aluminum

[severe girder]

Alr thanks

I think I got 210 hours now and still not aluminium :) xD

Im running the same world as always. I’d much rather destroy everything and rebuild. Keep 1 world than restart, keep the memory’s in 1 place ;-; :)

[wind spade]

instead of dismantling and rebuilding, keep old and build new 🙂

[severe girder]

Well yea

[silent shoal]

its BP...
But thanks for the comment, I'll delete them.

[severe girder]

I’ve only ever dismantled 1 factory bc it was horrible and in the desert ( flat ) for where I wanted to expand my main base

[wind spade]

is that diluted packaged fuel?

[severe girder]

That’s why I took the factory now far far away

[wind spade]

I'd recommend having multiple factories all over the map instead of one central factory 😉

[silent shoal]

Sloppy Alumina to Electrode Aluminum Scrap

[wind spade]

ah

[severe girder]

Yea so atm like I said Im not that far in. Im making this factory for everything beginner game, so rotors motors very thing steal and iron, iron reinforced plates everything copper inc wire. Ect.

Next is a aluminium factory i think

My factory should end up with an output of 17 items all at 60 a minute. so 1,020 items a minute

[brisk urchin]

try heavy oil residue and diluted packaged fuel

[fallow osprey]

hello newbie here, working on a power plant but i've come upon an issue, as shown in the image.
my diluted fuel blenders output into a total of 6 max capacity mk2 pipes, however this does not evenly divide into the 160 refineries i need for my turbofuel.
prior to reading the pipe manual a possible solution i had was to have all 6 lines feed 156 refineries, and then connect all of the pipes at the end of the manifold into one fluid buffer(is the buffer necessary?) to feed the last 4 refineries.
i didn't read anything in the manual that said this wouldn't work but i may have missed an implication somewhere.
any help much appreciated

[unique cypress]

I'd set up the blenders in 1 row, and then the turbofuel refineries in rows perpendicular to the row of blenders. Each row of refineries consuming, for example, 450 fuel. Do not make 600/min pipes

[fallow osprey]

like this?

now what if i have already placed my blenders in 3 rows 🥹

[unique cypress]

Essentially. Idk how the numbers work out on that exactly, maybe 450 isn't the best number for this

The reason for 1 row is that it makes pipe routing easier

But maybe that's way too long compared to the width of the refinery rows

[fallow osprey]

okay very good thank you, 450 works out perfectly to 20 refineries per pipe

[balmy sandal]

YEAH!!! 50 somthinghard drives in and I finall got HOR

is diluted fuel it's own recipe or is packaged diluted fuel what I'm looking for?

[unique cypress]

got plenty of other good recipes in there

[unique cypress]

diluted fuel and diluted packaged fuel are 2 different recipes

[balmy sandal]

Yeah I was just letting them sit because they take up two recipes out of the pool while I'm looking for something specific

LET'S GO!! I already got the Diluted fuel one!

[wind spade]

both are equal in terms of oil->fuel

[floral mica]

You've also got recycled plastic/rubber if you want to do that meta 1:3 oil to rubber/plastic production

[balmy sandal]

Nice! I def will later probably

when/how do I unlock time crystals so I can make synthetic power shards. (I'm in phase 4 and haven't yet unlocked nuclear)

becaus omg I'm going through SO MANY

[unique cypress]

tier 9

[balmy sandal]

O.O Ah well Goodnight sweet Slugs

[unique cypress]

make sure you're slooping them

[balmy sandal]

I haven't even set up an Aluminium plant yet

I am slooping them

[tough viper]

@honest grove the red line is the looped pipe. in the modules without loop, it just ends at the bottom where the x is

either the generators in the middle run out or the last few at the bottom

another manifold i tried is this (the fingers) or the "bars" where the fingers were connected on the left. that lead to about the same results

[honest grove]

about the same as in the gens at the end of the bars get little fuel?

[tough viper]

in the bars it's basically upside down

the top generators turm off

i looped a finger setup, the generators at the end of the fingers in the middle run low with about 10m³ but it seems stable, especially since i get a flowrate of ~9m³ before the last two generators

[honest grove]

it should take about 30-45m but i do think it'll stabilize by then, just dont touch the pipes anymore

[tough viper]

i'll make a second loop finger and let it run for a few hours

it looks like the average power production is already 5000MW higher though

[tough viper]

also if I place junctions onto a pipe, then dismantle and reconnect it on both sides, I should be fine right?

[honest grove]

the pipe will have to refill, the gens will consume some fuel, essentially you should expect that timer to reset

and ideallly you should place the junctions first and snap pipes to those

[tough viper]

yea but that's not practical in the finger case because the junctions work much better if placed vertically

i placed the vertical pipe, then the junction onto it and then dismantled it to connect two junctions directly

[honest grove]

oooh right my bad

maybe use a floor hole to start the bottom of the pipe, that way you dont lose fuel from the lower pipe, you can remove the floor hole along with the pipe later

[frosty owl]

Math check for a "Wasteless max nuclear" plan (using all Uranium with no Waste), for anyone who has the patience and time to spare it...
I don't think I made any mistake, but I'd appreciate a confirmation
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=IELtxYqwZJB6G3bqe54p

[unique cypress]

That is just wasting uranium lol

525 GW lmao

[frosty owl]

Yeah, Fertile Uranium is not Uranium-Efficient. I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise ^^
The point I was investigating was: can one use all Uranium without having any Waste, within map limits (issue being that all other recipes-combos run out of SAM)

[unique cypress]

I mean you can also get wasteless by sinking plutonium

630 GW from 2100 uranium

And 0 SAM

[haughty barn]

And use the plutonium in drones

[frosty owl]

That wasn't the original point, but sure...

[haughty barn]

I think I’m gonna do this my next playthrough

[unique cypress]

With a liberal use of Sloops, even max Ficsonium (152) is just barely possible

[brisk smelt]

hallo, uhhhh i cant seem to find in ur messages, would u midn sharing the clock ratios for the refineries for that setup 🙏

my brain is not mathing today unfortunately

[dusky dust]

Hey, sure; did you mean for the vanilla setup or the sloppy+electrode? Though honestly it might be better to just work with the numbers you're working with. :) How much bauxite are you taking in, and what recipes are you using?

[brisk smelt]

sloppy electrode, 14400 bauxite/min, preferably modularized to below 1200/unit, im trying to copy paste it in scim once i have one unit down cuz i really dont wanna build at all

[old zephyr]

So if I’m using g mk 4 belts - and I want to bring in more than 480 ore a min, do I need to run two different lines or can I bring in 2 lines of 480 and merge them at the start of the smelters

[brisk smelt]

well how would you fit 960/min through a mk4 belt

[frosty owl]

If you merge them, the output of the merger will still be capped by belt speed...

[old zephyr]

Manifold logic won’t help it out?

[frosty owl]

How would it...?

[brisk smelt]

make two lines of smelters

[old zephyr]

Ok so I couldn’t merge the lines until the outputs eventually reach under 480

[brisk smelt]

see: injected manifold

[frosty owl]

If you merge x+y, but your belts can only carry x, the merged inputs will back up. You can't have belts carry more than they can carry

[brisk smelt]

although it won't help in your case

[old zephyr]

So at mk 4 belt speed a line of smelters can never exceed 16

(Barring unnecessary underclocking)

[frosty owl]

Unless you "inject" into the manifold, or just chain 2 lines of smelters together (the latter would just be 2 manifolds one after the other)

[rotund pasture]

i love injected manifolds

[old zephyr]

Will look into injected manifolds, especially for smelters cause I like to have them all in a straight line

For constructors it’s kinda meh

[frosty owl]

👆

[dusky dust]

Okay, so for the sloppy+electrode setup (repasting the image), the clocking that I was using was: Each module there is processing 600/min Bauxite. Electrode refineries at the top are all clocked at 100%; the Sloppy refineries at the bottom are clocked at (from left to right): 75%, 75%, 60%, 15%, 75%. Fresh water's coming from below, only headed into two refineries. The others all just use the recycled liquid. I could've had five Electrode refineries at the top, too, so that everything was just running straight through (instead of combining the Alumina Solution like I did there); if I'd done that the clocks on the top would've been 100%, 100%, 80%, 20%, 100%.

There's other ways to do it, of course, but for sloppy+electrode especially I can generally never resist just running pipes straight through in roughly 1:1

[deft lichen]

Where'd you get that image

[wind spade]

needs to also be updated with "SM" instead of "M"

[sacred sigil]

im not opening this channel again 🙏

[deft lichen]

I talked to Sevrahn about this before SM were a thing and to my understanding this should work as is

[brisk smelt]

its from like 0.5 or 0.6 idk

you don't need smart anything for that design to work though if you do it properly

[deft lichen]

Opens #math-and-meta , sees math and meta 😛

[wind spade]

depends on amounts on belts. If the injected belt is full, you need even more different setup

[wind spade]

you do need smart splitter in some cases

[deft lichen]

It depends how much is being injected and how much each machine consumes, so yeah the general solutions needs smarts

[sacred sigil]

what who when where and why is a manifold

and what does it even do 🙏

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[sacred sigil]

oh i use that like all the time

[brisk smelt]

i assume the pipes aren't at limit right? so this setup can be clocked doubly, or nah

[brisk smelt]

if the remainder from last splitter + merger would exceed 1200?

[deft lichen]

I guess I'd need numbers to see how this could happen

[wind spade]

would exceed [next belt speed]

[wind spade]

if you're injecting max belt capacity into any amount

[deft lichen]

Because you don't need SM, you can work around it by splitting the injecting belt

[wind spade]

then you need to split injecting belt

[unique cypress]

It only works if the remainder + injection is less than 1 belt.

With a PM and an overflow on the injection, you could overflow the excess that doesn't fit to the next PM

[deft lichen]

Hmmm yeah I concur there are two just as valid solutions

[dusky dust]

Yeah, almost certainly not at capacity. :)

[frosty owl]

Asking anyone with Modeler files: what kind of size do your Modeler saves have (in KB)?

[unique cypress]

The highest I've seen was 200

One single production line is probably like 20

Oh wait do you want in kilobytes or kibibytes XD

[frosty owl]

Kylobytes

[frosty owl]

Saving with what simulation format BTW?

I mean, what format did you use when saving

[unique cypress]

I'm basing this off a single .sfmd file I've got in my DMs

It's a 200 KB plan for an entire world

Considering the size, it's definitely in manual mode

[frosty owl]

I have a bit of a hard time making sense of that number, as I have a plan with about 2~3 nodes for every item in the game (including splitters, different recipes for the same items, containers for outputs etc...)... And it's at ~38 KB 😅

[unique cypress]

Ah 😅

I now remembered that the world plan was just one of the 5 outposts on the main screen

I have no clue how much shit was in the other 4

[dusky bronze]

is there such a thing as too much pumps?

i have a few pipes and a couple of them seemingly arent getting enough pressure to go up to the top of a building, despit having 3 pumps for a height where only 2 would be good

[frosty owl]

Maybe it was someone who created one outpost per "world" rather than creating multiple savefiles 😆

[unique cypress]

Any more than strictly necessary is too many

[dusky bronze]

i just reconnected them and that seems to have fixed it i hope

1.1 did so many weird things to pipes and belts and stuff

[frosty owl]

Placing "too many" can give issues when trying to get max flow out of pipes (which can be a tricky topic)

[balmy sandal]

Just put down my first MK 3 miner. It's so intimidating. (cut to future me just upgrading them all for no reason)

[unique cypress]

No, one of them was "useful builds" or something along those lines

[frosty owl]

If you don't care much for the flow rate, there's no such thing as too many pumps imo

[balmy sandal]

I mean my first one EVER in the history og my playing this game. this is the furthest I've ever gotten

I even over clocked it (I needed 700 copper ore)

[analog ruin]

how to divise 2 output of 12.5 (total prod: 25) into 2 conveyors which are 10 & 15?

if someone have a design to show me

[wind spade]

single splitter

or clock the producing machines to make 10 and 15 respectively

[analog ruin]

i can't it is reinforced plate

[visual ocean]

Whoa