math-and-meta

[north sand]

Understandable

[vapid gorge]

well it depends on which recipes you use

for example the set up in the image is the top part of hte diagram

the numbers are clocking

but its different depending on your recipe choices

[summer crag]

How much concrete per minute should I get for just building and stuff

[north sand]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

depends what stage of the game you're at 🙂 a full node wouldn't be too much. Maybe just let over flow concrete go into your work bin

[summer crag]

But like all my stuff is made to not waste like a singular material

So all the ratios r lined up

[vapid gorge]

I mean you'll have to sink a bunch of stuff if you want the systme to keep running anyway right?

[oblique hollow]

Building materials for your own use is better than stealing from production

You can sink the stuff or let production for it stop when it runs full.

[vapid gorge]

that's why you over flow. Just don't stink some stuff

[kindred carbon]

What’s the best recipe for heatsinks? Heat exchanger vs default

[vapid gorge]

from memory the difference is exchanger adds rubber to reducer the alum cost?

well much like every time someone asks 'what is the best recipe'

'depends' xD

is saving some alum in exchange for some oil a good deal for you? if so exchanger is great

[fallow siren]

whats the default recipe again? dont quite remember

[vapid gorge]

oh base uses alum + copper
exchange , case + rubber

exchanger replaces copper entirely and saves alum but costs rubber

base is sheets + copper sheets

[kindred carbon]

Yea

[vapid gorge]

do you want to use copper or oil for your heat sinks is the main question.

• saving some alum with the rubber version. Generally rubber is a lot more work especially wit hthe recycled recipes

[kindred carbon]

Mainly looking at it for the speed and the fact that it saves some aluminum, plus I’m a little too lazy to get copper. Though I can get it pretty easily from a drone

[vapid gorge]

I mean these are all choices based on your preferences and your location 🙂

if yo'ure using the recycle loop with rubber it's 1 oil per heat sink, which isn't bad

but copper sheets can be a bit pricey unless you're doing pure/alloy ingots + steamed sheets

[kindred carbon]

I’ll probably end up using the default one since I need the copper somewhere else in the line

[vapid gorge]

as in you might as well process more of it? a reasonable choice if you have enough 🙂

[kindred carbon]

But first I’ll need to build the concrete and Caterium trains 😭

[vapid gorge]

drones! drones everywhere!

[brisk urchin]

are drones like good-good or just reliable

because untill now i only wanted to do trains

[vapid gorge]

they are perfectly reliable.
benefit is they require almost no infrastructure, just fuel sourced

[brisk urchin]

are they long distance?

or are trains still better for that

[vapid gorge]

each vehicle shines in it's own method

trucks are excellent for places with natural roads and can move tons

trains are versatile and you can reuse the infrastructure for many other routes

drones ignore terrain and are great for terrible terrain, or moving things nowhere near other parts with no infrastructure

generally longer distances, they ahve a long take off/landing sequence

but 'better' is subjective

already got a train like like 80% of the path and need to move lots? maybe od a train

[robust raptor]

Drones are great for low-medium throughput, and trains are great for high throughput, both are good for long distances

[vapid gorge]

never plan on putting tracks anywhere near the spot? maybe do drones

Drones can do high throughput too, just add more drones

[robust raptor]

Although if you really want to, you can spam drone ports to do high throughput, as some people have done

[brisk urchin]

hm

interesting

[vapid gorge]

now if I was moving like 20,000 ore or something pm to a location I'd probably do trains and plan for hte terrain along those lines. Jsut because thats EXTREMELY high throughput.

[robust raptor]

I like trains a lot, so I use trains a lot of the time, but I did use drones to carry some low-throughput things across the map because it was so convenient

[brisk urchin]

but yeah, idk man i just love trains somehow, i can imagine imma start using drones between not to far away factories

[vapid gorge]

but at that point I'd be having lots of stations along the way to pick the mup

[vapid gorge]

if you manage to have a number of shared locations that drones stop off it becomes easier to refuel them too. Only need to fuel that location

[brisk urchin]

o yeah fuel is an entirely diffrent story with drones

[robust raptor]

Fuel's easy

Just have a fuel port, and wherever you want drone ports, have another drone port requesting fuel from the fuel port

[vapid gorge]

they'll run on most things. pretty easy yeah

[robust raptor]

Now I kinda want to do a drone heavy game just to see tons of drones flying around

[vapid gorge]

honestly a shame. Used to be batteries only, but the ychanged it up and now batteries are almost useless

good for like 1 part

[brisk urchin]

so also like the common fuel? i thought of electric based fuel like batteries or fuel rods from the nuclear stuff

[robust raptor]

Yeah, there's a list on the wiki if you're interested

[vapid gorge]

the fastest fuels are plutonium rods and ionized rocket fuels. But it's not super clear how much 'speed' affects throughput

it probably helps to some degree?

[robust raptor]

I ran the numbers and in theory, it helps a bit

Not sure how much it helps in practice though, you'd have to conduct experiments to find that out

[vapid gorge]

yeah, not in my nature to grind out that sort of number crunching xD

[unique cypress]

The longer the route, the more it helps. The drone docking sequence takes nearly a minute, and it happens twice for every 9 stacks transferred. So you're basically capped at 5 stacks/min, even if the drone ports are right next to each other

[brisk urchin]

yeah i thi k imma set up a smal nuclear power grid just for that fuel production

[vapid gorge]

I'd probably focus on making a proper nuclear production set up and just use some of it for drones, or waste to p rods for them.

having to set up multiple nuclear chains would be a pain

[unique cypress]

At 5km, I estimate you can do 1.75 stacks/min on the slowest fuel and 2.5/min on the fastest

[vapid gorge]

thats a fair difference

[brisk urchin]

i dont realy need nuclear power that much, fuel is enough for me rn and im planing to quadruple my fuel generators at some points

[vapid gorge]

doing base recipes for nuclear is very simple and each nuclear gen is worth 10 fuel. Well worth it

and significantly less piping

plus much less ugly

[brisk urchin]

i somewhat perfectly figured out how pipes work so not a big issue, bu alr ima get into nuclear

[vapid gorge]

it's worth while 🙂 large fuel stations are just ... kinda spamming the same thing over and over and are massive.
nuclear is actually interesting and don't need much with teh base recipes

[vapid gorge]

so an issue with buffers is that they can seriously fuck fluid flow

are you trying to buffer trains?

[dawn crater]

yeah but every other buffer work withou the issue

[vapid gorge]

height changes are a real issue. I'd recommend a tried and tested train buffer system

[dawn crater]

buffer of despair and suffering

[vapid gorge]

copy one of these

#design-and-architecture message

you generally only need a small buffer per platform unless it's a fairly long trip

[dawn crater]

i don't think it will fix the problem that the pipe randomly loses flowrate

[vapid gorge]

typically you need a pump right before and after the buffer to even have a hope of it being stable, and those are tried and tested set ups

[hardy sail]

How might you go about splitting a 15 line into 10 and 5? draw a baby diagram for me if you need

i dont have smart splitters yet... but idk if that would help anyway

[wind spade]

one splitter

[hardy sail]

wouldnt that make it into 7.5?

[wind spade]

and what happens when you send 7.5 to a side that needs 5?

[hardy sail]

it overfills and stacks up

which would back up the rest of the line and push resources down the other end

[wind spade]

so where does the rest (2.5) go if the belt is full? 🙂

yeah

[hardy sail]

guess my original planning was right

just for the wrong reasons

[torpid iris]

does an industrial storage container function as a splitter?

[vapid gorge]

not evenly

[torpid iris]

one output gets priority?

[vapid gorge]

and it randomises

[wind spade]

semi-randomly, yeah.

and it can randomly change

[torpid iris]

weird xD

[wind spade]

it was never designed as one (and personally I don't see a reason why would I ever want one, given we have splitters)

[civic ruin]

Probably a dumb question but I'm trying to use the satisfactory tools and can't seem to get how I determine how many items per minute I would want?

[river night]

to start you should have a rough idea in mind how much you want to make
what i usually do is start with that rough number and set it up, then figure out where I want to build it, pick alts as the local resources permit, and then tune the final items per minute for the resources available in said location

[unique cypress]

I don't think Satisfactory Tools (or any other calculator) can help you with that

[river night]

but everyone has their own process

[civic ruin]

but like I have no idea how much I want to make? I feel like I accidentally missed some fundamental knowledge at some point.

[fallow siren]

you made how much for your current need

for example, i automate 5/min turbo motor just to go into depot

[river night]

assuming you just make them for construction purposes, and not reuse (which is impossible to plan, so its often recommended against)... there is a few pieces you really need in bulk, typically the things used for foundations/walls and conveyors, so make those in higher amounts, everything else, start with something like 10 or 15 and thats probably plenty

less the further you go down the tech tree

as it gets more complex

[fallow siren]

producing from raw is much less complicated than over producing and then sending them to other factories

[river night]

if you have no other ideas, just try experimenting iwht some numbers and see how many resources it needs, if you need to pull in several nodes from over half the map, it may be too high for a single factory 😛

[vapid gorge]

my method, which isn't for everyone, is to dedicate 1 normal node to each basic part and merge things as needed.

build on floors so you can expand when you get bette rbelts

smelters floor 1, constructors floor 2, assemblers on 3 , ect. Have large containers between each process to catch lots of parts

quick way to go up the tiers

[wind spade]

make as much as you need (for storage)

[cerulean stratus]

steel recipes are such an upgrade

[sharp osprey]

yea Solid Steel is a MUST! and encased pipe if you want to make more incased industrial beams easier also the obvious iron wire and an alternate for plates which eliminate screws from production 🙏

[cerulean stratus]

I thought a lot about iron wire

but honestly, most of the time where there's iron, there's copper
and early game, copper is useless

while iron is in very high demand

conclusion: I do rips with copper wire now

[sharp osprey]

not "useless" but not very needed early on, the only downside for iron wire is it makes coppper redundent and iron more used but either is fine. keeping copper wire might make the copper veins have a use but the difference becomes negligable once you scale it up. Its really just prefrence.

[cerulean stratus]

I tried keeping copper storage for the cable wire and sheets

but I didn't think it was that good

[fallow yew]

If I have a building which smelts 1440 iron ore per minute (6 input streams, max Mk3 belts), and I need a rotor factory, should I make a screw and iron rod factory, then direct that to the rotor factory or just have everything in exact ratios for the rotor factory? I'm trying to be a little efficient and plan ahead

And, on another layer of depth, should by iron outputs be split to be exactly what a factory needs before routing it over, or just pump out max iron to everything and it'll balance?

[unique cypress]

you definitely shouldn't do a dedicated screw factory, transporting them will be a nightmare

[unique cypress]

depends how you set it up

[fallow yew]

Right 😂
Yeah screws are a pain

[unique cypress]

you could do iron pipe + iron wire + steel rotor. a little bit more expensive iirc but much easier

[wind spade]

screws are fine

[fallow yew]

I have 48 smelters with 6 belt inputs and 6 outputs, so I wasn't sure if I should just have a ton of factories in series where the iron overflow goes to the next

[fallow yew]

💀 I have 1 alternative recipe

Which was luckily cast screw which is amazing for a first

[unique cypress]

rip

playing without alts sucks

[fallow yew]

Yep, the world is mine to explore!

[unique cypress]

there's more drives than you can use so you don't really need to choose carefully. recipes you don't end up using only cost time

[fallow yew]

I haven't really had the time to grab them all yet, probably will when I get to tier 5

[cerulean stratus]

ok fellow geniuses

have you ever needed a mechanism that would store like 2 stacks of something, and when 2 stacks are reached it would send them all at once?

[wintry jewel]

create mod brass funnel

[unique cypress]

no? why would I ever need that?

[cerulean stratus]

you know what, that's a good answer

I made the system, but I guess it doesn't have a use case yet

[unique cypress]

didn't even think it would be possible to make something like that

[hollow shadow]

There is any app that helps in satisfactory? like blitz in lol?

[unique cypress]

depends what you need want with

[fluid sable]

We have valve for liquid having some like it as splitter would be nice

To optimize my factory

[unique cypress]

you can do that without it 🤷‍♂️

[burnt wing]

Hey Can someone tell me if this works, cuz I was messing around and just thought of this, and im too stupid to know if it works or not.

[cerulean stratus]

Ok guys, I made a thing I call a "limiter"

it limits throughput

why is this useful? So you can overflow into other things

[oblique hollow]

thats not a new invention

[near smelt]

opinions on the electrode aluminum scrap alt recipe?

[unique cypress]

better than default

[near smelt]

I agree. water output is a bit more annoying then the default, but it does give slightly more aluminum

[opaque quartz]

Sloppy+electrode+pure is my go-to aluminum production chain. You get one ingot per bauxite ore, minimal oil needed, and no extra silica

The build layout with split refineries for fresh/waste water is very straightforward too

[crimson moat]

It's more water efficient, and same difficulty to set up with a typical efficient/safe config

[cerulean stratus]

some times oil feels like coal but better

[cerulean stratus]

I would like to see some of those

because I didn't hear much about it

[fierce prawn]

I'm embarking on a biomass-only power system for a challenge run, is Biocoal a viable energy source as opposed to biomass logs?

[cerulean stratus]

Biocoal is amazing
Especially the one made from wood

[cerulean stratus]

Actually, I was doing that challenge myself, but I was using stuff like turbofuel, but the coal needed to come from biomass

[vapid gorge]

My pure probably going to want to underclock your machines a lot

And sloop your biomass producers

[light cosmos]

when going through the tiers and unlocking new stuff to build and automate, what would be a good ballpark of production per minute of these stuff? I know that elevator stuff can be just a thing you do on the sideline and not really need a dedicated factory, but everything else I have no idea, for example idk how much motor per minute should I do for a "good enough" and not need to fall into the Factorio cycle of "omg I will need to build another 50 of these machines to feed the new machine I unlocked because the ones I have aren't enough"

[opaque quartz]

when in doubt, I just target 1 or 2 final machines at the end of the production chain. you can look at the milestones (and/or the wiki) to see what resources you are likely to need more or less of, and which ones are intermediaries that you don't need dedicated production lanes for

[fierce prawn]

Underclocking conserves power the same as overclocking costs extra, right?

and ofc i'm trying to bumrush sloops

[unique cypress]

yes. not much, though

not enough to be remotely worth it imo

[thick vigil]

I just got the Molded Steel Beam recipe unlock option, looks good, but is it worth it?

[fierce prawn]

even with things like particle accels? Surely it would be worth at that scale

[unique cypress]

half clock speed, double the machines, 20% power savings

you decide if it's worth it but imo no

[fierce prawn]

okay dude 20% of 5000 is a lot 😭

that’s gonna be worth it on the biomass only run

[dull jay]

eh depends on if you are using limestone a lot

i dont use concrete for almost anything other than foundations so it is good for me

you throw concrete in it makes more production per building

also saves on steel

eh upto you

you can also combine it with wet concrete to save on limestone

[vapid gorge]

if they are running off biofuel they'll want to

[near smelt]

would liquid biofuel be the better for power then just burning the solid biofuel in biomass burners?

im guessing because you can sloop the refineries that make it it probably is

[opaque quartz]

by the time you have liquid biofuel you can be making fuel/turbofuel power, so no not really worth it. great for the jetpack though

Edit:missed that this was in the context of a biofuel only run

[near smelt]

no just asking because of the guy who's doing a challenge where they only use biofuel for power

I know that fuel is vastly better and renewable

[vapid gorge]

afaik, every step of processing biofuels up gets you a net positive power output

although refineries are quite power pricey so maybe slooping that step might not be good? not 100%

you'd want to do a bit of math

[near smelt]

somersloop doubles power consumption right?

[vapid gorge]

I think 4x?

[near smelt]

yeah thats right it's 4x

[opaque quartz]

Yeah idk if that tradeoff would be worth it

[vapid gorge]

defnitely worth doubling each step through to SOLID though.
do a bit of math 🙂

I'd be curious. Maybe you can turn the meat from 1 hog into the same energy value as a uranium rod xD

[fierce prawn]

would sloop and underclock be viable or is that just a waste of twice the sloops?

[vapid gorge]

depends on how many refineries you have making it

there's a fair few sloops on the map and the constructors will only take 1 each

if you dedicated all of them you could probably UC the refs

pretty easily

[fierce prawn]

right right the constructors probably need only one of each for the forseeable future im mainly thinking of the refs

[vapid gorge]

and if you OC the constructors it's not a massive power jump

[near smelt]

the extra 60/min biofuel that the refinery produces per minute when slooped, produces 750MW of extra power while the refinery consumes an extra 120MW so i'd think it's worth it.

[fierce prawn]

so i'm burning bio logs now, my next stop is slooped biocoal or just rush to liquid bio?

[vapid gorge]

only valuable IF you've used all yoru sloops though

and make sure to build huge power storage

[fierce prawn]

right right massive batt bank already planned

OC'ing the burners doesn't produce extra, just increases burn rate, right?

[vapid gorge]

you'd also need fuel gens if you're burning liquid bio fuel, and they'll output constantly, not as needed

[near smelt]

Collecting sloops isn't that hard. just some require things like hazmat or explosives to collect. although i don't know if you want to lock up 60 somersloops or more in refineries to double liquid biofuel. but since i imagine alien power augmenters are off limits with this ruleset so idk what you are going to do with them otherwise

[fierce prawn]

yes yes, hence batt bank plans

[near smelt]

thats also true. so a lot more potential for lost power

[fierce prawn]

Idk, i think i was going to use them, but i think it would be more fun to not use augmenters, we'll see

[vapid gorge]

you'd want a priority power switch on some powered pumps that lead to feeding each fuel gen. that way you could shut the system off manually and use charged batteries

@fierce prawn

and like 1 powered pump right before a hump to each fuel gen

[fierce prawn]

so just have my biofuel run in bursts to charge massive battery arrays and run off battery for most of the time?

[vapid gorge]

side view , x is pump

[fierce prawn]

ooh smart

[near smelt]

you probably can get by on just the solid stuff for a long while. probably up to phase 4, but once you start needing to power particle accelerators or matter converters you'll probably need something else

[fierce prawn]

yeah, at 4 bio logs a burner is really not bad at all for now

already have a spare box of excess leaves and such

probably gonna make a giant storage complex to hold a forest's worth of wood and such to act as a secondary "battery"

this is already really fun lol 😂

i miss my lategame niceties already lol

[near smelt]

i mean... you'll need 10-50 biomass burners to power a single particle accelerator.

3-21 if you have them fully overclocked

[fierce prawn]

right, and 10-50 biomass burners is, honestly, not terribly hard to keep running

[opaque quartz]

Don’t forget you can make biomass from mycelia which is easy to collect in places like the swamp

[near smelt]

I'd actually think he'd collect it using animal remains

[fierce prawn]

oh yes yes as soon as i get my smart splitters and such up, i'm making a super chomper to process and sloop all available bio recipies

[near smelt]

which has a 1 to 100 ratio when converting to biomass iirc

[opaque quartz]

Yeah remains are gonna be biggest bang for buck

[near smelt]

which the swamp is also a good spot for remains mid-late game

[opaque quartz]

Yeah you’ll actually have to underclock to fit all the output biomass on belts

[near smelt]

once you hit mk3 logistics you can usually hand the outputs from wood. although the remains one would probably need mk4

[fierce prawn]

i believe overclocked slooped is some 8000 a minute lol

[near smelt]

i stand corrected XD

MK6 belts anyone 🤣

[fierce prawn]

Do y'all know of the locations of exposed SAM? the two closest nodes to my base are all locked behind exposed rocks and I would love to get sloops unlocked pre-elevator

[near smelt]

actually i think that exceeds MK6 belts too, dont they only go to 1200/min?

[fierce prawn]

yup

[near smelt]

where did you start?

[fierce prawn]

northern forest

mmmm biomass

[vapid gorge]

rebuild the belt

and you're sure that's iron and not copper on the belt? hard to tell with the shadow

[near smelt]

there is a pure SAM node on the cliffs to the north east.

[fierce prawn]

and it has no rocks covering it?

[normal sundial]

its iron and also it worked when i rebuilt it so thank you sm

[near smelt]

i dont think so. if it does the one in the crater lakes biome doesn't have rocks

although that one is impure

[vapid gorge]

when in doubt, rebuild

[fierce prawn]

ehh output doesnt matter i'm not actually getting into sam, just need a few hundered to unlock sloops

heck, my 300 hour save is still only using that exact node

[near smelt]

I guess it doesn't if you drop 40 portable miners on the node to extract 1200 sam a minute 🤣

should be enough for somersloop tech

[vapid gorge]

So lets say a red pipe, flow going left to right, drops down, then goes back up
this isn't a worst case scenario. But can sometimes have flow issues with the fluid dropping back down before the manifold

if flooding the system doesn't work, having a powered pump right before the manifold generally does the trick

[cyan cypress]

Hey guys I’m having some problems piping water upwards

I have a pipe that is partially full and then the next pipe has nothing in it

Doesn’t make sense, I’m using multiple MK2 pumps to get the water upwards

Does each pipe need to fully fill before the next one can start to fill ?

[frosty owl]

Pipes fill from the bottom to the top

The only cases when they don't need to fill completely is when the pipe segments are flat or have a low angle between them

[cyan cypress]

For some reason when I had all my pipes connected they couldn’t fill

But if I connect them one by one and let them fill it works

[solid sapphire]

I’m trying to make 10 modular engines and 75 versatile frameworks per minute, while budgeting coal to under 480 per minute.

The moment I considered using rigor motor recipe was when I realized how far deep in the spreadsheet I’ve gone

[frosty owl]

Sounds like you might have misinterpreted what you saw
Unless using floor holes (which sometimes encounter bugs), the amount of pipe segments you connect doesn't affect headlift (how high a fluid can climb inside a pipe system)

[opaque quartz]

Pump placement matters. They only push, they don’t pull. And every pump reset headlift where it is placed, ie multiple pumps in a row do not “stack” headlift

So therefore the first pump needs to be placed below the extent of the 10m headlift provided by the thing making the fluid. Every pump after that needs to be placed before the previous pump’s headlift runs out

When building pumps, there is a moving blue ring hologram on the pipe that shows you where the headlift will go for the pump you are placing. You can also use walls or foundations to measure your vertical distance you are climbing

[cyan cypress]

Yeah I see that now, I think I was slightly off on my placement

[opaque quartz]

And yes, full pipes are happy pipes, allowing them to fully fill up never hurts

[cyan cypress]

I realized I do not like pipes lol

[opaque quartz]

FWIW I don’t believe there are any bugs related to pipe floor holes in 1.0 or later. I’ve never had an issue with them in ~500 hours

[opaque quartz]

Let’s just say they are an acquired taste. Pipes are not belts but people tend to treat them like belts and that’s where they get into trouble

[frosty owl]

I didn't read anything about that being fixed, so I didn't want to leave that out ^^

(Issue was them killing headlift from pumps placed right below them iirc)

[cyan cypress]

Honestly sometimes I feel that I destroy the pipe setup, rebuild it nearly identically and then it works 😂

[fierce prawn]

okay, sloops are gotten and i must say I am impressed

fully slooped, the recipe for leaves to bio logs is 1:1

this might be.. actually okay??

[vapid gorge]

Sometimes a pipe system is wobbly and if it starts wobbly it won’t fix itself.

Pre flooding the system can sometimes kill the wobble and get it going

[cyan cypress]

I’m using buffers now

And had to place the pumps perfectly

Seems to be working better now

[vapid gorge]

avoid buffers, at best, if managed properly, they do nothing
at worst they'll murder your flow

(except for train platforms, where they actually do work)

[reef tree]

never had problems with them 🤔

[vapid gorge]

yeah best case scenario what you're doing with them does nothing.
it's just that it's not worth while to put in a possible problem for no benefit

[reef tree]

idk tells me if theres weirdness going on with flow if they slowly drain over an hour , or is otherwise unstable

i think theyre sexy too

[vapid gorge]

you can tell that by checking the machine's internal buffers

and they might be the reason machines are starving

[ruby shoal]

I know I'm producing enough fuel to feed this many generators, but the ones on the very end are using up what is reserved in the pipe and shutting off.

How can I fix this issue? Did I set something up wrong?

[wind spade]

loop the pipes

[ruby shoal]

My best guess is that this section has something to do with the issue, since none of the pipes except for the first two on the bottom seem to be flowing

[ruby shoal]

Ah, gotcha. I can try that.

[vapid gorge]

ok so the output manifolds here are split for hte packagers, what does it look like on hte input side?

[oblique hollow]

I just counted, i assume you use 480/min fuel per generator line?

[oblique hollow]

A big number of refineries are have yellow lights

Why are they yellow?

[opaque token]

guys has anyone ever calculated the bare minimum of resources needed to beat the game? like you need 1100 reinforced iron plates for the smart plating in phases 1 and 2, but it comes out to 1108 because you need 8 for an assembler and stuff like that

[wind spade]

you can sloop everything, which would make it very low amount of resources, especially if you include gathering around crashed pods

[opaque token]

lets say we did include the crash pods, and maybe sloop items maybe not, depends if it would be more cost efficient power-wise

[wind spade]

why power? power is free (geothermal)

[unique cypress]

you can just plug in all the phases and required milestone and one of each building into FactorioLab, add sloops as default and it'll give you the total

[opaque token]

well until geo ten

[opaque token]

i mean, subtract the pod materials, add the previous materials, maybe even alt recipes, MAM unlocks

[unique cypress]

You can add pod materials as input, enable alts, and the MAM unlocks required to unlock slooping

Though you'd have to split it into multiple parts due to alt recipes being locked behind milestones

[vapid gorge]

use satisfactory tools
increase intputs to 990000000000
set production to all space parts send offs
the per minute amount should be the total amount you need for hte parts

[unique cypress]

Tools doesn't have sloop support. That's why I suggested FactorioLab instead. You can add sloops to every step in a like 2 clicks

Though there's the issue of machines making X items at once, while calculators have no problem making 6.5 of something

So every step would have to be rounded up to the nearest multiple of a single cycle

And sloops don't take effect until at least one cycle has been completed so you'd have to account for the first cycle not being slooped and find the cheapest recipe to waste that on

[oblique hollow]

Could someone confirm something for me?

Plutonium Pellets cant run at 100% when slooped due to stack size being too small

[unique cypress]

If it outputs more than a quarter of a stack by default, it can't be fully slooped and still run at 100%

[oblique hollow]

It does 30

and a stack is 100

[unique cypress]

So it'll make 60 per cycle when fully slooped. You'll have to remove 20 before the next cycle can start

[fossil olive]

if someone can help me with me setting up my factory so it looks like a actual factory instead of a industrial waste land, im trying to make a "manifold line" and this is a floor 3x3 for my smelters which then goes up to a 5x5 constructers

oh also hi im new here 🙂

[vapid gorge]

looks like an extremely standard manifold , yes

if you're looking for aesthetics I highly recommend playing a lot more because learning how to do internal layouts is key to aesthetics

[fossil olive]

i mean im trying to understand how many smelters can i run with this setup before it fizzles out?

[vapid gorge]

do the math, how much does the recipe need? how much ore are you pumping out

[fossil olive]

well i can deal with the out put 30 bars per smelter i get that, but im trying to get input right, i do not mind breaking each smelter to other constructer but it is the input im trying to figure it out.

[vapid gorge]

you're makign 120 righ

[fossil olive]

yeah so from what i have seen people line MK2 all the way till the first splitter connected to smelter then MK1 conveyer all the way.

yes it is pure

[vapid gorge]

ignore purity, only pay attention to numbers

120/30 is 4 right?

[fossil olive]

yeah 120 till the first splitter

[vapid gorge]

so 4 smelters total

thats it

[fossil olive]

hmmm

ok well im gonna run a few tests then come back and ask some moire questions

[vapid gorge]

it's really not more complicated than that.

thou saving space after the manifold can be good as your belt speeds will increase fast

[fossil olive]

well i was going to mention the filling up the machines then turning them on but thats what my testsd will do but thanks thou.

[vapid gorge]

machiens don't accept input if the yaren't on

except for generators

[grim hill]

Is feeding machines from below with pipes bad even if the system has enough headlift?

[fossil olive]

no i mean fill all the smelters with irons bars and ore then let them follow to the next step

[vapid gorge]

very much so

[vapid gorge]

if you want, doesn't significantly change anything except you doing more work

[vapid gorge]

if it was jsut a matter of headlift feedign from below would have zero problems

[oblique hollow]

Its a bad idea because each pipe fights gravity on its own.
Which means that even if you technically supply enough head lift on the input, it comes down to the pipes filling right

And that just is not a very easy situation

[meager grove]

is asking questions about modded (though still fair) math allowed? wondering about a refined power coal powerplant...

[oblique hollow]

You can try but theres no guarantee that we will know if its a mechanical thing related to the mod

[vapid gorge]

no one will know what the mod does, but youcan ask

[meager grove]

no it's mostly just

figuring out how many I will need and how to do the fluid logistics correctly with it all

[oblique hollow]

Fluid logistics, no matter what, should be kept simple and small

[vapid gorge]

I mean figuring out how much is just 'look at the recipe, see how much you have'

you can post overhead images of your set up here and see if people can see whats wrong

[quick gorge]

Use the KISS method!
Keep It Simple, Stupid!

[meager grove]

I mean, I tried doing that in my non-modded coal powerplant...

(tucked away all the way here at the place with 3 pure and 1 normal coal nodes)

the water just ended up creating backflow downwards, constantly throttling the coal powerplants, despite having enough headlift :')

(there wasn't enough space for me to build 28 coal powerplants on the same level as the water source, so it had to go up)

[vapid gorge]

we'd still need to see the actua set up with images from preferable overhead

[meager grove]

...oh wow

I seriously don't have any screenshots of that powerplant?

that's a surprise

either way, it was pretty much just... a box, with 28 water extractors in 4 rows of 7 lined up ontop

in terms of the new powerplant (on a much more heavily modded save and with AGS), I'm still planning

[vapid gorge]

get some? it's basically impossible to trouble shoot fluids w/o comprehensive images

shape and layout are incredibly important

[meager grove]

the old powerplant has already been fixed

by. placing exactly 4 more pumps.

which prevented backflow entirely

[vapid gorge]

ok, but judging from what you were saying you have a new thing that you need help with?

[meager grove]

yeah, but at this point it's mostly planning the maths

and seeing what layouts would be feasible

[vapid gorge]

ah. Well break it down into chunks
don't interconnect things

[meager grove]

as well as not messing up the fluids again...

[reef tree]

water go up is quite easy x promise

[vapid gorge]

maybe once you've half way done with planning build an example of what you want and have someone have a squeeze at it

[meager grove]

at least most everything after the water gets boiled is steam, aka. a gas, so I shouldn't suffer too much as soon as I pass the first hurdle

[meager grove]

alright!

[vapid gorge]

remember, seperate sections
don't split manifolds over multiple floors

those are a couple big design points to stick by

[meager grove]

also, is 45 motors per minute for 300 iron ore pm, 300 coal pm, 405 limestone pm, 270 copper ore pm and 270 caterium ore pm anywhat good? asking about a previous motor factory build in the rockier desert area

[meager grove]

I usually use load balancers anyway... 😓

[vapid gorge]

dont' try load balancing with fluids. It basically doesn't work like that unles you build it in a very specific way

[meager grove]

nonono not fluids

OH wait you were talking about fluids?

[vapid gorge]

also your your motor factory is very subjective - if it does what you need it to with materials you're happy with? it's fine

[meager grove]

hm, alright

[vapid gorge]

yes.
belts it doesn't matter if you manifold or load balance. No mechanical difference

Load balancing jsut takes up more space and is more complicated

[meager grove]

wouldn't load balancing be pretty important for a powerplant, especially in the case of a grid failure?

[vapid gorge]

nope. why would it?

[meager grove]

a faster startup time could be the difference between recovering from a failure or depleting the battery reserves

[wind spade]

if power fails, the manifold stays filled

[vapid gorge]

if your power station crashes it should stop your generators from burning anything

[meager grove]

oh, it doesn't consume anything when down?

[vapid gorge]

nope

[meager grove]

well, I guess there is no mechanical difference then

[wind spade]

(also obligatory - batteries do not store power)

[vapid gorge]

honestly, my best advice would be to play through the whole tiers 1-9 w/o any mods. Especially overhaul mods like refineed power.
there's so much going on already with the game that getting the basics down first before modding things is very important

[oblique hollow]

If you use refined power, please specify what building you are feeding

Because refined power has boilers and those do NOT care about power failures

They just burn through anything they get fed, no matter what the boiler on top has going for it

The only things that stop them are either a lack of fuel or a clogged wasteproduct port

[meager grove]

oh, uh

in that case yeah they're. gonna run forever

I'm gonna be setting up a modular power coal setup

and from what I can see, with mk2 miners I could feed up to... 48 heaters

which also means getting over 2160m3/min of water

[vapid gorge]

cool 🙂

I used RP once for a fuel station. It was pretty cool, but they changed the consumtion rates on machines a couple times and mostly broke it

[vapid gorge]

I'd probably OC the extractors at that point

[meager grove]

right now, modular power seems to be equivalent in amount consumed to vanilla?

would splitting everything into 4 rows of 12 be sensible?

[vapid gorge]

you mean water?

[meager grove]

no, like- heater+boiler groups

[vapid gorge]

oh well, sure. But that also sounds like you'd split the water into 4 groups right?

[meager grove]

I could also make 12 rows of 4, and then feed each row with a single (150% OC) water extractor

[meager grove]

with multiple extractors but yes

[vapid gorge]

seems reasonable. Thats in line with keeping things in their own manageble chunks

from that point on I'd avoid mixing the 4 groups in any way

it's not that it would be impossible to do, but it'd make your life much easier

[meager grove]

fortunate that the amount of HP steam produced by one mk1 boiler is exactly how much a mk1 turbine consumes then

[oblique hollow]

If its 45 water per boiler then you can treat it like vanilla coal gen numbers: 3 extractors per 8 boilers

[meager grove]

I could do 6 groups of 8...

[vapid gorge]

sounds convenient 🙂

[meager grove]

the problem then will be making the piping look clean

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

well these are examples of 3 extractors to 8 coal gens.
You could do similar

8 groups of 8 stacked on each other

[meager grove]

III think I ended up doing what is basically example 1

just in a slightly weird way

[vapid gorge]

its a solid choice 🙂

[meager grove]

alright so. I've got this as a potential basic unit(?)

[vapid gorge]

pretty

[meager grove]

360m3" of water and 120" coal come in (through the front and back respectively)

and 240m3" of carbon dioxide and 480m3" of high pressure steam come out

could also lay pipes in a straight and orderly manner like this

iff all the waviness is a cause of problems

[vapid gorge]

steam right? gas should be ok

sleep time in any case! gl!

[meager grove]

ah, alright

and no, the central piping is still for water ^^"

[vapid gorge]

ah, then yeah best to keep them simpler

[meager grove]

steam would be out on either side, above carbon dioxide

[vapid gorge]

and flatter

[meager grove]

hmm, alright

[vapid gorge]

with liquids, as straight and flat as you can manage 🙂

[mystic hawk]

I used calculator
Is it okay if i round things up and dont over/underclock anything?

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[fallen sun]

ye it is

[unique cypress]

depends. you need some bottleneck that is correctly clocked if you want things to be stable

[mystic hawk]

What if i dont use 6.3 smelters and just slap 7?

[vapid gorge]

with belts? it'll be fine. You might get weirdness with liquids

might get unstable flows

[unique cypress]

having unused production capacity is fine, but you might wanna be careful if that capacity actually becomes used. it means your factory is not running exactly as planned, and that might mean better or worse

[river pagoda]

Good thing we have these new item counters for the belts. Have become very useful for me atleast. Making sure my lines are outputting what they should be

[unique cypress]

I just clock the very last step to produce exactly as much as planned, and if it's running at 100% uptime, everything is running as planned

don't need to look at anything else

[river pagoda]

Yeah I only did because I was crafting 4 different items and was maxing out my throughput on MK3 belts in some instances with ore

[mystic hawk]

I made this building for adaptive control units, is that okay

[unique cypress]

that's a question best asked in #design-and-architecture

because to me, any building is a waste of time lol

[mystic hawk]

I meant the size of the building, not the design

[unique cypress]

depends how big you want your factory to be

[mystic hawk]

2 ACU per minute

[unique cypress]

my adaptive control unit factory is 1 manufacturer and 1 assembler

I build it every time I want to complete a phase past 2

[mystic hawk]

It is made from scratch
Everything needed for ACU is produced in this building

[unique cypress]

my advice is this: calculate how many machines you need with the recipes you chose, calculate the area they take up, and then multiply that by 2

if you have about that much floorspace available, it's likely to fit

my average foundation coverage by machines is about half

[mystic hawk]

There is one unused floor and some fllors with little machinery in them

But it is not completed yet

So we'll see

[river pagoda]

So with 4800 oil I could produce a lot of power if I turn it into dilute fuel? Than turbo fuel or rocket fuel?

[unique cypress]

4.8k oil is way too much to spend on power lol

unless you're doing it for shits and giggles

it's 160 GW with diluted fuel (and heavy oil residue)

[river pagoda]

Would it be worth it to go HOR -> Diluted Fuel -> Turbo fuel ?

Or turbo blend fuel?

[unique cypress]

it's more power for more effort. more precisely, 2.(2) times more power. and I'd say more than double the effort, so idk, up to you

imo it's not worth the coal and sulfur, when you could just make more regular fuel

[river pagoda]

Yeah I forgot what I did to power my 152 fuel generators last save

I think I used turbo fuel

[unique cypress]

if you can do rocket fuel, it's probably the easiest. but don't use 4.8k oil lol, that's gonna take at least 1700 generators to burn, fully overclocked

[river pagoda]

Sounds hot

[wind spade]

I'd personally stay at normal fuel and don't go into the TF branch

but it's really up to you

[river pagoda]

I’m guessing sulfur and coal is better used later on?

[wind spade]

well more like not worth (imo) to bring extra resources to fuel, which can safely carry you to nuclear

[river pagoda]

Ahhh so less effort?

[dusky dust]

Sulfur's a key component in late-game power generation, but there's also plenty of sulfur on the map for nearly anyone. I wouldn't worry about wasting sulfur, personally (unless you're intentionally building Really Big)

It's one of the more rare resources, but there's still a lot more on the map than nearly anyone needs

[river pagoda]

Yeah this is the biggest structure I’ve built to date. The fuel generation before reaching nuclear with triple the effort lol

Brought in coal and sulfur from the local cliffs.

I could probably reach nuclear a lot faster forgoing this al together eh?

[meager grove]

wow, gives me a huge warehouse vibe

I love it!

[river pagoda]

I’m definitely not one for unique architecture 😅

[dreamy umbra]

[dusky dust]

Regardless of what tool you're using to help plan out your factory, it can often be really helpful to break it out into chunks, rather than having one huge graph

[dreamy umbra]

nono,i understand it clearly

its just that there is a LOT of planning involved

[dusky dust]

So like one step there is producing batteries; might make sense to have a separate graph for Batteries, and then add those in as an input item on the "next" graph, etc

[dreamy umbra]

i will probably need two rail links

[dusky dust]

heh, gotcha. :)

I tend to graph stuff pretty heavily in chunks. (Which is also nice for organizing logistics, actually, 'cause you end up with "natural" smaller factories which can just export to the final assembly area, etc. Though that does imply a willingness to engage in Moar Logistics)

[dreamy umbra]

actually you know what i forgot to add batteries,i think

much better

also specs of that mess

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, if it were me I'd also have separate graphs for each of those exports, rather than mashing 'em all together. IMO would make the build(s) far easier to manage when actually building 'em out

Even if you end up building 'em all on the same site. But personal preference and all that. :)

[dreamy umbra]

having it all in one graph clumps together resource refinement though

[unique cypress]

nah, then I wouldn't know how many machines to place. and I'm not making quickwire 4 times

[dreamy umbra]

like alumina solution for example

[dusky dust]

I'd also be pretty unlikely to build all that on the same site, so to me that wouldn't be a detriment. :)

I'd almost certainly have a totally separate aluminum factory which just exports the aluminum products as needed

[dusky dust]

Quickwire's a weird choice for that particular complaint, IMO. :D Quickwire's just a couple of constructors. At least pick HMFs if you're going to make that complaint. :)

On my 1.0 save I was making HMFs in three or four separate locations, so even that doesn't bother me.

[unique cypress]

hmfs are only for fmfs, so those wouldn't be split anyway.

[dusky dust]

Splitting 'em out gives you the opportunity to use different production chains, too, which is always fun

[dreamy umbra]

i have computers,RCUs,crystal ocsillators,ai limiters,supercomputers,HMF,turbofuel and high speed connectors all in one place actually

[dusky dust]

Well, something like HMFs, anyway

[dreamy umbra]

built all together

[dusky dust]

Quickwire is just like one step removed from the ore, is my point; hardly onerous to make in multiple locations

But yes, that's all personal preference, of course. :)

[unique cypress]

Oh, I make it in multiple locations. if they're completely separately planned and built. but if I need it for multiple things in one factory, I ain't splitting it. or any other item

[dreamy umbra]

also it is a good practise to utilise priority switches so your whole factory doesn't go down

[dusky dust]

Yes and no: if you use the hoverpack a lot, I'd avoid it. There's a bug where when your hoverpack switches grids, it can temporarily idle the machines on one of the grids

[unique cypress]

I have 0 switches and 0 storage 🤷‍♂️
useless if you know how to manage power

[dusky dust]

Which I personally find annoying enough that I don't tend to use PPSes anymore. If you don't hoverpack, though, then it's nice to have the peace of mind. :)

[dreamy umbra]

it's complicated,but i study mechanical engineering and somehow manage to manage my power

[dusky dust]

(Though I do agree with KYO297 that the best solution to power is to just keep an eye on your grid and ensure that you've always got plenty of overhead. If you never let yourself get near your power ceiling, you'll never trip anything)

[unique cypress]

what's complicated about production > max consumption?

[dreamy umbra]

i run as close to power spikes as possible

[dreamy umbra]

inefficiencies

[dusky dust]

If it weren't for the hoverpack bug I'd continue to use PPSes; I've always enjoyed the nice separation between factories it gives you

[dusky dust]

Heh, well if you like to play dangerously with power, then yeah, PPSes are absolutely your friend. :)

[dreamy umbra]

yeah

i like to run my machines at their maximum possible setting before damage
both in-game and irl

[dreamy umbra]

when i worked in a cnc workshop i managed to cut down cycle times by as much as 66%

also i'm wondering where to put the factory with those resource requirements,any suggestions?

[unique cypress]

swamp

that's where I put my factory making similar items

[dreamy umbra]

sure

[meager grove]

jesus christ

you should. probably try miro

[dreamy umbra]

the aluminum factory will have to go though,i think

or i will cart in more,a lot more bauxite

[dreamy umbra]

why?

[meager grove]

well, okay

to be fair, organising it is still going to be difficult and you'll need to manually mark down inputs and outputs and calculate

but in my experience it's much simpler figuring a production chain out when you break it down yourself

while a calculator just

ends up in an information overload

[dreamy umbra]

oh its fine

i just do everything one at a time

like that bauxite delivery

[meager grove]

I can't say 100% that it would work better for you, but it's my recommendation if the ten thousand lines all look like chaos to you as they do to me lol

[dreamy umbra]

i'll pass,the story points are too funny to me

my brain cannot comprehend company

this poor thing will have to go

or i will build around it,idk

[dreamy umbra]

so the main benefit for pulling together all imported resources for me is due to extreme use of trains
i use them everywhere,and making multiple stops for each factory adds up quickly

[sharp osprey]

What are some of the best Items to feed into the awesome sink that are relatively easy to make?

[unique cypress]

unfortunately, the more complex item, the more points it's worth. points double every step

[bitter grail]

Generally the more complicated the more points, and people often reccomend sinking stuff like space elevator parts (and other such items) for points

Personally I say just sink everything you are making that is a surplus. Like use a smart splitter and have the overflow go into a sink

It won’t be quick for surplus of lower cost items but the points will build up over time

[unique cypress]

this advice is good if applied throughout the entire game. but if you're by phase 3, adding sinks to iron plates is less points than it's worth

[bitter grail]

I agree, I just wasn’t sure how progressed they were

[wind spade]

still better to sink iron plates than to not sink them and have the production line idle

[opaque quartz]

Given how early you can get smart splitters and the sink, IMHO it’s worth it to set up overflows asap (once on stable power generation eg coal)

[fierce prawn]

Y'all think I can make it to Golden Nut with this much power?

[fierce prawn]

okay, so for anyone wanting to do a biomass-only run and using somersloops to max out their biomass efficiency:
Liquid Biofuel is more Biomass efficient, but requires more sloops to build, roughly 5 more per 10 GW
Biocoal is more Sloop-efficient, but uses roughly 250 more biomass/m per 10 GW

[ruby shoal]

The input for the packagers look like this, and the rest of the refineries look like this. The reason all the lights were yellow was because the packagers were backed up since the fuel wasn't flowing through the pipes, so it backed up the entire chain all the way to the first refineries. I've since shut down the entire system so I can rework the Fuel Generators.

[ruby shoal]

Sorry this is such a late response lol. I think I'm going to move the Fuel Generators down a few floors and loop the pipes like this. I'm hoping that will solve some of the apparent flow issues

[brisk urchin]

is that like very much needed for fuel production?

[wind spade]

I'd personally stay at diluted (packaged) fuel until nuclear

[unique cypress]

needed? no. nice, sure

[brisk urchin]

so is the normal recepie bette for rocket fuel?

i got all the other recepies like heavy oil residue and diluted fuel

[unique cypress]

I wouldn't call either better. they're just different. different resource costs. though nitro is much easier

default is cheaper in terms of WP, but they cost different amounts of the main resources, so it's not very comparable

[brisk urchin]

hm okay i think imma go with that recepie then because it can produce more per minute

[ruby shoal]

I can't figure out why the pipes with the green arrow are full, but they aren't flowing to the pipes with the blue arrow. Does anyone know why?

[brisk urchin]

rebuild them

maby thats a fix

[ruby shoal]

I'll try it

Also, is there a way to put several machines into standby at once?

[brisk urchin]

uuh

hook them all up to a power switch

has the same effect

[ruby shoal]

Ah, don't have power switches yet

[unique cypress]

connect and disconnect a powerline

works the same

[ruby shoal]

I'm wanting the pipes to prefil before the machines start taking from them, and the only way I've found to do that is standby

[fluid sable]

trying to fix my nuclear setup ... the same setup work fine in my other save file damn

[vapid gorge]

how much total fluid is that pipe getting?

[warm granite]

Would it still be considered a biomass only run if the biomass was turned into coal for the traditional rocket fuel recipe?

[warm granite]

Also don't forget, the fauna can turn into alien protein, which can turn into biomass. So there's definitely that approach

[fierce prawn]

well, that's using oil too, which is a fuel

[vapid gorge]

I would argue if any part of the recipe isnot biomass originated it's not a biomass run

now you could argue you could use converters and SAM to change bio coal to other things and mix them, but those things take so much power I don't think you'd have a net positive

You could, hiariously, make a whole uranium rod set up using only SAM and biomass

[warm granite]

Biomass ---> Tickets ---> packaged ionized fuel run.

[vapid gorge]

damn it... now I want to make biomass uranium rods

[tropic hawk]

Biouranium Rods does have a nice ring to it

[vapid gorge]

...I'd need upwards of 1500 bio coal pm to make 1 bio uranium rod

I'm not sure this is feasible

althought it's a net positive power output!!

[tropic hawk]

So it's possible?

[vapid gorge]

and to have it power itself? seems so

[vapid gorge]

You could reduce that down I'm sure with some alt recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=iXDD1B1JEpgHuLBBOSQS but I'm getting ready and really shouldn' tbe fiddling with that now

for example solid steel would reduce things a bit

[tropic hawk]

I'm currently operating on a different challenge rn, where I have to sink as many items as I automate... (End of chain, otherwise it would be a pain)

[vapid gorge]

you know what.
with sloops and hog meet, 1500 bio coal pm isn't that hard

1 hog meat = 2 protein = 200 biomass =240 coal pm

Shit. I have to do this now

[tropic hawk]

I think he has discovered "Whale Oil"

[warm granite]

Well... A regular reactor is 0.2 uranium rods/min so this can be scaled down to 300 coal/min and 149 S.A.M/min

So this could involve a ton of underclocking

[tropic hawk]

Would spitter/stinger protein also work at similar rates, because those are much more easy to get their parts rapidly

[vapid gorge]

even w/o underclocking it'd be positive

[vapid gorge]

yup any critter part

sloop to 2 protein

[warm granite]

I like it, we're going to be trading space for energy efficiency which means we can get a ton of efficiency with biomass.

Hog meat is now a renewable resource

[vapid gorge]

wait I forgot a doubleing, sloop the proten to 400 bio mass

you'd need about 3 meat pm

• sam

no, I'm a too tired idiot, I don't think I slooped the biocoal

this is entirely doable and incredibly stupid. I'm in

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[warm granite]

Would batteries get in the way of the goal of Bio Power? I mean it is storing energy from all that biomass for later

[vapid gorge]

so bio burners won't charge power storage, buring liquid bio fuel in fuel gens would.

so if you're doing that, it'd help. You'd want to have a priority power switch to pumps to stop feeding fuel gens when power storage is full though

[warm granite]

Okay, I made some math...behold!!!

Coal Gen
15 Coal/Min + 45m3 Water/Min = 75MW
15x300MJ/Min = 75MW
4,500MJ/Min = 75MW
60MJ/MW

Biofuel Gen
20 m3/min Biofuel = 250MW
20x750MJ/Min Biofuel = 250MW
15,000MJ/Min Biofuel = 250MW
60MJ/MW

Bionuke Gen
0.2 Uranium Rod/Min + 240 m3/Min Water = 2500MW
301 Biocoal/Min (from supplied plans) = 2500MW
301x300MJ/Min Biocoal = 2500MW
90,300MJ/Min Biocoal = 2500MW
36.12MJ/Min Biocoal = 1MW

[vapid gorge]

I got zero sleep last night so I'l lbelieve your math xD

[warm granite]

Biocoal is more efficient than biofuel per megajoule because of preparation, but less space efficient .

Bionuke power is gonna be almost twice as efficient per megawatt.

Someone needs to make this happen

[vapid gorge]

honestly, I was waiting a long while until a fav mod of mine got updated.

But I think after I get back this weekend I'm gonna do this

[fierce prawn]

i briefly considered allowing nuke with sam to uranium before realizing that’s totally not in the spirit of the challenge

but maybe biomass to every nuke material? Maybe.

[ruby shoal]

The time has come for me to start making heavy modular frames and begin working on the parts for Phase 3. My biggest question right now, is should I revamp the factories I have to produce Heavy Modular Frames along with the other iron items (modular frames, rotors, reinforced plates)? Or should I start a new factory somewhere brand new (I'm thinking the rocky desert) and have it be the new iron factory, that way I can attempt to produce the Phase 3 parts nearby it.

[fierce prawn]

animal meat is actually a life changer for biomass builds, im just waiting to find more sloops so i can automate

[fierce prawn]

i usually make a second factory, on account of the sheer volume of iron bits you need

[ruby shoal]

Gotcha. It feels bad using this space and resources not knowing what's coming down the road, but it does seem easier than redoing what I already have

[fierce prawn]

nah, no point in redoing, make a city! Production is still production no matter what comes down the line, having some amount of resources being made will always be useful. belt the outputs from the old place over to suppliment the new place, or just leave it be and convert it to a ticket farm

[vapid gorge]

Well, you can make reanimated Sam right?
That implies it was animate at one point.

Thus it is just alien coal 😛

and every part you use was biocoal

[fierce prawn]

I did it. Bionuke.

-kill a pig
-run his corpse through The Machine
-spits out a nuke
-take nuke
-kill a pig

[opaque quartz]

you mad lad

[plucky tusk]

yeah i cant wait till i hit p5 on this save

so many stupid shenanigans

[leaden lark]

is it strange that in end game I want to avoid the pure recipes because I don't want to have to run water everywhere and instead I just want to use my oil power production by products in my basic material production. I'm making a mega factory and I realized that the ratios for making alloyed iron ingots and copper are good enough and rubber concrete uses exactly as much resin for the rubber as I'm producing in my oil base, meaning I only need to process a material I'm sinking anyway. I also produce a lot of compacted coal, so I want to make as much stuff out of steel as possible as I also am sinking that as well. I feel like it'd be more fun to work with assemblers than refineries from an aesthetic point of view too. Water is near infinite but it's such a pain to work with fluids as I don't like to use pumps, cause they end up using a lot of power.

[wind spade]

it's not weird, all recipes have their use and are all valid options if you want to go that way 🙂

[leaden lark]

I never thought I'd think rubber concrete would be worth it but when I saw the ratios line up perfectly I was like dang I need to use that

[wind spade]

rubber concrete is great

[leaden lark]

I've had someone say it's a waste of oil lmao

[wind spade]

well people have different opinions on different recipes

having opinion on recipe is fine, problem is forcing your opinion upon others

because then we get situations like this, where people find out that they have been using "wrong" recipe for them all the time

[leaden lark]

but what I feel is that a lot of people tend to analyse recipes in a vaccum

[wind spade]

the problem is you can't analyse recipes at all

no matter if in vacuum or not

you can't just say "X is better than Y"

because that's based on your opinion and preferences

[leaden lark]

there sure are a lot of videos on oyutube that do that lol

[wind spade]

yeah it's a big problem

people think there's good and bad recipes and ask which ones are which 😦

[leaden lark]

heck I feel like my preference for recipes changes depending on the stage I'm at

[wind spade]

indeed that's what often happens

[leaden lark]

and the place I'm at

[wind spade]

or which location you're building at or which resources you have

or even if you feel like doing complex or easy build

[leaden lark]

I've used silica for concrete before for instance, but when computer parts become a thing, all my silica goes towards that so I stop using it for concrete

[royal yacht]

@wind spade so the other day my opera had this weird crash and was unable to recover my preferences file, meaning I lost all my login caches, cookies settings, certain settings... your calculator is the only thing so far that has remembered my settings from before the crash 🙏

[dawn crater]

@kindred carbon

[kindred carbon]

Ok I need more info than that lol what are your inputs, outputs, max belt speed and miner level?

[dawn crater]

red are inputs green are outputs, 780/min and mk.2
all of this is in one factory i don't know how i can even split the output of the miners to have the exact numbers for them

[kindred carbon]

780/120=6.5, you will be limited to 120/min for the miners

If you’re making heavy modular frames I’d decrease scope of the factory until you get higher tier logistics, you have the beams unlocked already so you should be automating them temporarily for belts and lifts

[bitter grail]

Do you mean mk.2 miners or mk.2 belts? If belts you just need to downsize in general

[patent blaze]

load balancers are meta right

can't wait for the lifts to disconnect

[dawn crater]

😭 😭

[patent blaze]

am i doing this right

i tried making two vip junctions i guess but its hard to think

thinking i might have to flip the first B junction horizontally to avoid it also becoming a vip

but idk how it works when theres two vertical and one horizontal

[oblique hollow]

what even are you doing here

[meager grove]

jesus fucking christ

[dawn crater]

looks like PCB

[brisk urchin]

what do yall think about my work in progress power grid

15h in 😭

[bronze seal]

How do you get the lines to go square like that?
I hate the wavy lines

[dawn crater]

top right settings -> styles -> 2D

[humble violet]

like.. in the save file?? Or into making this 😭😭

[dawn crater]

i also have snap to grip on

[humble violet]

I’m 60 hrs into my save and my power grid isn’t even close to this LMAO

[brisk urchin]

no actual building time

not even considering thinking time lol

[humble violet]

Ok almost got me scared for a sec

LMAO

[brisk urchin]

that also happened for some reason

only played for some weeks now ;-;

andf the fact that i have to add another 2 layers ontop of alla that freaks me out

like aaaah!

[brisk urchin]

my power grid that is powering all of my machines right now consists of only 40 fuel generators

this one will have uuh

700

👍

so much to build, im dying

[oblique hollow]

certified fuel gen lunatic moment™

[humble violet]

Thoroughput gon be crazy

[brisk urchin]

only 400 per row of 100 gens

and i think im even overproducing a litle

fuel i mean

the alternate recepies are just crazy

[humble violet]

Which one is it

[brisk urchin]

3

heavy oil residue, diluted fuel and Nitro rocket fuel

be crazy

[bronze seal]

ahh sweet! thanks

[brisk urchin]

this was just an "emergency idea" because i just unlocked stage 9 and i wanted to make factories for every item ther is

and my power was short with the first particle accelerator i somerslooped temporarely

so yeah

gotta do what i gotta do

this is all just from this btw

yeah.....

[long bridge]

When not limited by water, why does satisfactory tools opt for using basic iron ingot (and even say the recipe is impossible if i remove the alt) when the ammount of iron ingots/iron ore is higher with pure iron ingot recipe?

[brisk urchin]

the website is kinda bugged ngl

u gotta do a litle math on ur own

[long bridge]

oh wait im dumb, basic actually is a 2x, pure is only 13/7 so slightly lower

in theory with unlimited limestone you would want to do all basic, but im limited by not wanting to bring in outside limestone

[wind spade]

what? there's no reported bugs

[brisk urchin]

not like that, it just idk

[wind spade]

(at least none around maths)

[brisk urchin]

doesnt show you the most optimal way

[long bridge]

the issue was my fault, it wasnt the tool. i got alts confused in my head

[wind spade]

"most optimal way" doesn't exist

[brisk urchin]

no not the math, the recepie choosing

[long bridge]

better than the scim planner

[brisk urchin]

yeah yeah

[brisk urchin]

lol

[wind spade]

it choses recipes correctly based on its algorithm

whether that is what you want or not depends on what your goal is

[long bridge]

how does it chose btw?

[dawn crater]

looks a lot better now

still looks like PCB tho....

[wind spade]

it doesn't really "choose" recipes

it calculates the whole graph at once with goal of smallest possible consumption of raw resources (and the resources are weighted based on their relative appearance on the map, so rarer resources are more "costly")

[brisk urchin]

well for example i wanted to calculate the output of rocket fuel once and i only removed one alternate recepie and it told me it is impossible to ge the product in any way

[wind spade]

share the production line

[brisk urchin]

its from crude oil to rocket fuel

[long bridge]

Ah i thought it might be weighting resources!

[brisk urchin]

the most optimal one acording to the website

[wind spade]

share the production line

[brisk urchin]

and i removed the nitro rocket fuel recepie

[wind spade]

click the blue share icon

and paste the link

(the one that doesn't work for you)

[brisk urchin]

wym

[wind spade]

this one

[brisk urchin]

but yeah doesnt matter i went with the optimal way anyways

[wind spade]

click it

[brisk urchin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=3hkA0pkG7ddZz27D0uGw

[wind spade]

you need to enable compacted coal recipe

[brisk urchin]

ah

[wind spade]

otherwise you can't make turbofuel

[brisk urchin]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=M2Lld8XFCZAsUTyRQsdp

and this is my current recepie for my new power grid

[brisk urchin]

dis one

im not even halfway done placing all of the generators

did like 150

550 to go 😭

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=r23oqHYnQnQBKvPtnrcW

this one to be exact is the one im using

[vapid gorge]

Well there’s no reason to ever need that many

You can get to nuclear with far less power

[pine remnant]

i have an oil power system that burns almost double the fuel it produces.

[thorn trail]

@wind spade I would consider Tools telling me to use 0x constructors to make 0.006 iron pipes a minor rounding bug https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=W4hTvyA2zzIl5LpTYUhm

[pine remnant]

Refineries produces 160 m^3/minute fuel, generators burn 266.67m^3 for context

[vital flame]

did you sloop it?

160 is < 267 so it should turn off?

[silent patrol]

how does water throughput work on pipes is it the same as conveyors?

meaning if i put it in a manifold will the ones at the end get less or is it equal throughout the pipe

[crimson moat]

Essentially yes, but on every dead-end branch the pipe will fill with water to a level above that of the main manifold feed line, and then flow back into it. So you also need to derate your pipes to manifold with them (e.g. use max 450m3/min flow on a manifold with mk.2 pipes)

[silent patrol]

derate?

im confused sorry

[vital flame]

you have to under-clock the production of the pipe to under its max capacity.

[silent patrol]

ah use less water than you need

thats not the correct way of saying that but i know what i mean

[crimson moat]

e.g. it says 600m3/min transfer rate. That's a maximum, your effective rate may not be that high.

[vital flame]

wasnt there a way to loop the flow around so it didnt "slosh"?

[crimson moat]

It still does, that somewhat fixes flow rate restrictions by splitting a 600 pipe into two 300/600's before connecting to the manifold.

[silent patrol]

does headlift effect throughput or do pumps just eliminate that

[crimson moat]

300/600 is much more tolerant to sloshing because half of the flow capacity is unused

[vital flame]

Without enough headlift, if you raise elevation your throughput =0

[crimson moat]

headlift.. technically doesn't affect throughput, but can in some weird circumstances.

Basically if you're within headlift limit, all is the same. But sometimes pipes don't transmit headlift properly (with particularly quirky designs)

[vital flame]

if you have enough headlift, the pipe will eventually reach maximum throughput if you have enough production

[silent patrol]

im trying to make a 3 floor coal power and the pipes are confusing me i have 9 water extractors going into 24 coal generators but how to split them and make sure they work is making my head hurt

[crimson moat]

sounds very overcomplicated

#math-and-meta message

[silent patrol]

im in the desert and im challenging myself to build it in the valley where those two coal nodes are

[crimson moat]

still doable without manifolds or uneven splitting

[silent patrol]

yeah but im unsure on how to do that because im stupid

[crimson moat]

see the link that i posted

[silent patrol]

wait i am stupid i just thought of a better design

using that as a reference

also how do you tackle splitting between uneven machines ie. 9 into 24 as 24 isnt devisible by 9

the last one has less

[crimson moat]

for the simplest designs i don't, again see link

[silent patrol]

i should think

yeah i see it but that goes into 3 and 24 is devisible by 3...

i see your point

[crimson moat]

3x gens at 88.88% = 1 extractor at 100% = 40 coal

pipe throughput used is max 120/300, then it splits evenly into 3x40

it is basically impossible to break a design like that, but fairly easy to break a 3:8 manifold design

[silent patrol]

makes sense

[ruby shoal]

I'm a little bit stuck on this concept. I'm about to make my first largescale factory to create Heavy Modular Frames, Adaptive Control Units, Versatile Framework, and Modular Engines, 2 each. But this is the first factory I'm really using Satisfactory Tools for, and as such, the first time I'm dealing with unusual numbers.

I feel like I just don't understand how to split strange numbers. For example, I'm supposed to split 1296 Iron ore into two belts, one of 807 and one of 489. How do you guys advise managing stuff like this?

[crimson moat]

Lines on Tools aren't belts

to turn set numbers into arbitrary ones, you can e.g. manifold iron ore into a bank of smelters, and control how much goes onto a belt at the other side by the amount of merged smelters and/or the clock speed of them

for example if you merge 9 smelters output there will be 270 ingots on the belt, 10 smelters will be 300, etc. You can make any arbitrary number via underclocking, and they'll throttle their input to match the output that you set when their buffer fills.

[opaque quartz]

Share the link of the plan that you’ve made?

[ruby shoal]

This makes the most sense, honestly. I've gotten so used to attempting to use belts to control ratios, I hadn't really considered that machines are actually better for it.

[ruby shoal]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=6lOoa6b6spZatv1T2FGM

[ruby shoal]

I don't really have a good idea on what to do for this factory, but I figured the parts would end up coming in handy later, even if I have excess of them. 2/min seemed like a good amount and fit the ores I have nearby almost perfectly.

[vapid gorge]

I would clone the tab and creat an individual production line for each component

Maybe process all the raw ores in one spot and split the machinery into groups for each section

You can also split it midway and organize it past that? I’m on my phone so can’t make too detailed a suggestion

[opaque quartz]

one thing to consider: for space elevator parts, you only need a fixed number of them, so you can get away with not having a dedicated continuous production line for each of them. a container-fed set of machines to produce exactly how many you need at each phase is perfectly reasonable

but if you want to continously produce them and sink the excess for points, that's fine too

[ruby shoal]

I've heard this, and did just that for Phase 1 and 2. Though aren't some Space Elevator parts needed for more than one Phase? Versatile Framework is in both 2 and 3, and aren't Adaptive Control Units needed after Phase 3?

It just seemed easier to do more work once, rather than continuously hand feed containers to produce the parts.

Though now that I'm actually thinking about it, having one building where everything is made through a few assemblers and manufacturers does sound kind of nice, even if it is hand fed.

[vapid gorge]

Yup but you can still just overflow stuff into them

[opaque quartz]

the early phase elevator parts are the basis for the later ones. so the final elevator parts are a culmination of all the prior phases' elevator parts smushed together, basically

[opaque quartz]

I just built my elevator in some out of the way place with a big platform around it and a handful of sloop'd machines fed by containers to make exactly however many of each part are needed for the phase

the containers are fed from continuous production for things like HMFs, rotors, computers, etc. regardless, you definitely want to automate those and send them to dimensional storage (and overflow the production to a sink)

[ruby shoal]

How do you feed them into the containers? The best transport I have right now is Trains, and it seems odd to use such a big part of infrastructure for the Space Elevator, especially since everything in my world is sorta spaced out.

Though I guess drones would probably be useful once I get them

[opaque quartz]

hand-load from dimensional depot/inventory

[broken kiln]

if i'm making a modular plastic/rubber loop BPs, do i make each module process the max, limited by a machine, or do i opt for nice whole numbers, at the cost of more machines. the factor conversion is 1.176471 (plastic) and 1.25 (rubber). "nice numbers" constitutes 85%/80%, whereas max is obviously 100%

[umbral barn]

ok idk what im not seeing but can someone please explain why sf tools decided to do this???

[oblique hollow]

Did you hit maximize or something

[umbral barn]

no

[meager grove]

what the fuck

[umbral barn]

I agree

[meager grove]

steel rotors are right there. wtf is it doing

[umbral barn]

I COULDNT TELL YOU

[meager grove]

and why'd you-

wh-

fucking iron pipes for stators but STEEL RODS WITH SSI FOR ROTORS????

[umbral barn]

the rest of this makes enough sense to me but sf tools just did a bunch of fucking drugs on that section

[meager grove]

what the fuck

[thorn trail]

if you aren't using maximize then tools determined that the combination of recipes it selected would result in the least resource consumption

[umbral barn]

tbf tools gives no fucks about efficiency in maximize

[meager grove]

it may consume less resources

but from what I can see, it consumes the most brain cells

[thorn trail]

you said you were not using maximize, and my statement specified not using maximize

[umbral barn]

yeah i only used maximize to get the target number then set it to items/min

[umbral barn]

my question is what the fuck is tools smoking to get this????

[thorn trail]

and at that point tools tries to minimize resource consumption, which for rotors might mean using screws over steel rotors if it can make rods out of steel or aluminum

just disable the recipe that you don't want tools to use

[quick gorge]

-# Me with my modeler all happy and me readable

[umbral barn]

Do you think i have the patience to go thru and disable specific alt recipes when i have every alt recipe in the game unlocked

[umbral barn]

modeler is nice but i hate myself and also dont wanna download more software

[thorn trail]

do you have the patience to figure out the recipe plan all by yourself without using a tool to help you? Or the patience to go learn another tool and figure out it's quirks?

[quick gorge]

I am the first one

[thorn trail]

because those are your alternatives

[quick gorge]

Namely because I dont want the """best""" recipe according to Tools. I want to recipe that will make the coolest building

And art is subjective.. thus I want to manually do the recipes

[umbral barn]

I like seeing everything perfectly optimized.. i am ass at making things that look aesthetically pleasing so instead i make things that look good if you can appreciate the technical side of things

I mean my buildings look clean but its still a million machines and tight knit belts that just barely dont clip on a slab

[quick gorge]

I am using copper alloy and iron alloy in a single area because the local nodes allowed the perfect ratio of buildings and I'm doing SIS for them
Not because the Alloy alts are good but becuaese they allow me to make something thag looks cool

I am still aiming for turning all the uranium on the map into ficsonium and 8 fueled APAs

[umbral barn]

well tbf this is all for my nuclear plant which honestly, is going to be on the exact opposite side of the map because fuck common sense, i want funny uranium powered drones

[meager grove]

weed, probably

[meager grove]

that's peak.

that is the definition of peak.

[umbral barn]

I mean i do like ikea lamps... but you cant get rid of them easily and pccs are expensive

[quick gorge]

I will be using Ionized fuel for my drones... that will be transporting the uranium and likely plutonium rods .. so still uranium drones :]

[quick gorge]

And it isn't even sharing. How rude.
-# assuming weed is legal in the location you live

[quick gorge]

I try. You've seen me try. Those UI elements made be proud

[umbral barn]

good point, not what im doing though, im slooping two of my nuclear manufacturers, one for drone fuel, the other to make funny explosives

[brisk urchin]

i dont want to get into nuclear already ngl, seems a bit overcomplicated with those 3 waste cycles

[quick gorge]

I am not here for sink points.
I am not here for power.
I am not here to be effective.
I am here to make a pretty neat building.

[umbral barn]

I have completely made my map unusable lol, the lists upon lists of vehicles makes it unreadable

[umbral barn]

I am here to complete the shopping list that ficsit gave me

[meager grove]

and you etter damn should be

[quick gorge]

I am doing this because I will be making power shards regardless. Might as well make them a round number and feed the overflow to my ionized factory. So APA is before nuclear for me

[meager grove]

-# I mean, cannabis is, but full-on weed no... either way I don't participate, cider is more than enough for me

[umbral barn]

honestly its complex but you can only do 1 cycle and sink the plutonium if you want

[quick gorge]

Not sure what else to do on the build but I had rushed the last time as I needed to leave... so likely redo a bunch of shit upon my return

[brisk urchin]

well, yeah but sinking a good power source is also just not a thing i wana do

[quick gorge]

I did that like.. how long has the game been out? One less month then that ago

[umbral barn]

true true true, i dont have ionized unlocked (hell my power grid barely functions if im lucky and it makes me wanna cry, ive spent months troubleshooting the power plant and it's still broken....)

[quick gorge]

While I am still in the pre nuclear build i just have 8 APA placed and tapped all the geo nodes. They're enough for the time being

[umbral barn]

i have a love hate relationship with doing what im told, i spent 3 months on phase 3 then did most of phase 4 in a few hours

[quick gorge]

I rushed to beat the game. Not quite speedrunner speed but I started a new save and finished in a month. Now only coming back to make a real factory that looks good and worthy of a true pioneer .. or whatever

[umbral barn]

i have 4 and then 36 fuel gens and i think 32 coal gens powering my world, oh and the duracell...

the fuel generators are perpetually a problem (they will run fine for like a half hour at a time, a few will sputter, and then go back to running just fine for no fucking reason)

[quick gorge]

I have allocated all of my sloops so I am literally using all of them. I have a few unloreful ones I will be voiding from regenerated locations I guess.

[umbral barn]

i havent touched basically any of the sloops in my world, just grabbed ones i found

[quick gorge]

8 APA and the remaining handful goes to my SAM reanimation, I do have like 80.something overhead on reanimated SAM

No idea what I want to do with it, could take a sloop out and still have enough but nahhh

[umbral barn]

im also still perpetually busy trying to fix my problems with my build, like with the quartz im using for my build has a weird imbalance in it for demand which led to this thing and its many revisions

it works... but it has consequences and i dont know how to fix it without redoing it (keep in mind that this comes out of a belt balancer)

[quick gorge]

Oh I can't wait for train logistics

[umbral barn]

yeah i know your pain...

I HATE BELT BALANCERS SO MUCH

[quick gorge]

Don't let Kyo hear you say that

[umbral barn]

Kyo was such a life saver, brother basically waked me through belt balancer 101

[quick gorge]

For me it's actually building the tracks. Since I want it to actually look good and weave through the terrain like a majestic animal

[umbral barn]

my buddy tried that, i prefer to build them up high so it doesnt interfere with the 100+ vehicles i have

tbh i have no clue how many vehicles i have but i know its a lot...

[quick gorge]

I am kinds scared to have trucks. Trains are reliable and stable.

[umbral barn]

honestly the problem child for me was carts and tractors

yes i use factory carts for item transport

[quick gorge]

Tho I do want to take the piss and have a factory cart deliver something like ficsonium fuel rods since they have a single slot...

[umbral barn]

no i will not stop using them for item transport

[quick gorge]

... huh

[umbral barn]

i did try to use the cyber wagon for delivery as well

that went well

[quick gorge]

... are they doing what they are told?
Can I use a (golden) factory cart for my ficsonium fuel rods?

Urgh I will need to do some actual tests as I do kinda want to make it do some tricks and shit. No idea if the game will allow that level of fun

[umbral barn]

the problem is cyber wagons suck at driving... the factory carts however work mostly well

i do have some issues with them just randomly dieing on load but thats an easy fix

[quick gorge]

I.. can't have them just stop working this is for Ficsonium fuel rods

[umbral barn]

you can just reload and they regain their will to live

or if that doesnt work, go push them

and they wake up

[quick gorge]

And if im on the other side of the map?

[wheat sorrel]

How do I produce infinite electricity power, it’s painful to run on biomass for so long

[umbral barn]

reload save until it works

[umbral barn]

you get fully automated power after phase 1 dw

just be patient

[quick gorge]

But I won't know if it has worked I'm on the other side of the map ;_;

[wheat sorrel]

Phase 1?

[umbral barn]

natro. you have this thing.

its called a map

on this map you can see if vehicles are moving

[wheat sorrel]

What is phase 1 how do I find that

[umbral barn]

you dont have the space elavator put down yet?

[quick gorge]

You think I will have map markers on for most things?

[wheat sorrel]

I don’t think so I don’t know where that is

[umbral barn]

finish the tutorial and such, the game will yell at you to put it down after

[wheat sorrel]

Do I have to find it on the island somewhere

[wheat sorrel]

I did not have any tutorial :/

[umbral barn]

this thing
its a buildable

[quick gorge]

Did you.. skip it on world creation?

[wheat sorrel]

Ya

[wheat sorrel]

Ohh?

[quick gorge]

[umbral barn]

WHY?

[wheat sorrel]

I just didn’t know😭

[quick gorge]

[umbral barn]

have you even built the hub?

[dawn crater]

broooooo

[quick gorge]

I have no words. But I do have emotes

[wheat sorrel]

Yeah I think so but idk how play

[quick gorge]

Do tutorial

[dawn crater]

in what world does someone skip a tutorial for a game they haven't play.....

[umbral barn]

okay i know this is gonna sound dumb, but make a new world and dont turn the tutorial off...

[wheat sorrel]

The process is going to be so long tho

[dawn crater]

it isn't really

[wooden crow]

no not really

[umbral barn]

its less than 30 minutes

[wooden crow]

it's maybe 20 mins

[quick gorge]

Do you want to learn how to play the game?

[wheat sorrel]

I spent like 3 hours on this world currently!😗

[umbral barn]

as someone who has sunk 400 hours into this game in 6 months, that tutorial will save your skin

[quick gorge]

The game will teach you much better then we can

[dawn crater]

do the tutorial and then return to your world?

[umbral barn]

because it gets really complicated, really fast

[wheat sorrel]

The game doesn’t overwrite?

[dawn crater]

no?

[quick gorge]

I have like.. 50 worlds.